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Andy England: Darfield High School Principal on NCEA Level 1 achievement falling, secondary teachers strike · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: New NCAA achievement data out mixed results. Number of students
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  Speaker 1: achieving NCAA Level one down to the lowest level in
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  Speaker 1: a decade, done slightly but still the lowest in a decade.
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  Speaker 1: NCAA levels two and three posting the first increase in
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  Speaker 1: pass rate since the beginning of the pandemic. So starting
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  Speaker 1: to sort of turn the corner and well, all of
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  Speaker 1: this systems out the door anyway soon. Andy England is
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  Speaker 1: Starfield High School principal with us this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Andy, good morning, Good morning Ryan.
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  Speaker 1: What's up with level one do you think?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's pretty well known at school. Haven't been
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  Speaker 2: prioritizing level one for quite some time, but there are
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  Speaker 2: also a few other things that been happening there. That's
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  Speaker 2: the level where the experimentation happened with new standards the
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  Speaker 2: ministry was before the decision to change all of the standards.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of playing with level one, so I
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  Speaker 2: think teachers were getting the head around it. And some
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  Speaker 2: of the introduction materials were absolutely awful, arrived late, and
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  Speaker 2: we're not high quality at all, so that may have
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  Speaker 2: affected a too. We've also got the c AA or
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  Speaker 2: co WRECK Exams of Literacy and numeracy, and a few
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  Speaker 2: students have struggled with those. If you remember the they
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  Speaker 2: came in at the highest standard, which is great, but
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  Speaker 2: there wasn't there one that there weren't the years of
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  Speaker 2: teaching to match the standard, So students were several students
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  Speaker 2: were put off by those who we say so, I
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  Speaker 2: think the combination of factors were affected level one. In
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  Speaker 2: areas like ours, there are still there are still jobs
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  Speaker 2: in the out there for students who they don't need qualifications.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there are people looking for young people to
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  Speaker 2: start work without qualifications, and the temptation for somebody who
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  Speaker 2: doesn't see an academic future to start getting paid for
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  Speaker 2: work is high for a few people, and that's not
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  Speaker 2: a high number, but they all ad up.
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  Speaker 1: So live one actually doesn't really matter that much if
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  Speaker 1: you're leaving school, who cares?
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  Speaker 2: Lots of the lots of people have still got role
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  Speaker 2: models who are self employed tradees. They're driving around with
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  Speaker 2: a nice new ut and the boat and they left
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  Speaker 2: school at fifteen and they're quite happy to tell everybody that.
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  Speaker 2: So there's certainly some role modeling. What about that happens?
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  Speaker 1: What about level two and three is increasing? I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's a slide increase. But are we finally turning that
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  Speaker 1: COVID hangover corner? Do you think?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's too early to say that. I think
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  Speaker 2: what's happened is we've had a few years, not many,
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  Speaker 2: two three years to focus and get some students back
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  Speaker 2: up to speed. Their school teachers are pretty good at
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  Speaker 2: at wrapping around students, and I guess NCAA does give
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  Speaker 2: that sort of flexibility, which is one of the features
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  Speaker 2: that's been criticized recently, particularly at level two. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think students are also realizing that they actually at
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  Speaker 2: that level. Once they've stayed on in school for a while,
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  Speaker 2: I think they understand they need to get a qualification.
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  Speaker 2: It's totally anecdotal, but I've noticed over the years, whenever
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  Speaker 2: you see a dip in the economy and there are
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  Speaker 2: fewer of those other jobs around us talking about, students
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  Speaker 2: realize that they need to get a qualification. So those
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  Speaker 2: who stick in school I think are focusing a bit
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  Speaker 2: better and that's a really positive thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, your construction jobs are gone, your heroes, your membs
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  Speaker 1: centers are gone, so they stay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they compete yeah, sorry, sorry, right, they're competing against
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  Speaker 2: adults in the late twenties, so they's going to get
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  Speaker 2: their act together.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, what about the strikes. I know that's not what
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  Speaker 1: we've got you on for, but do you think there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be support from pearents for this?
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  Speaker 2: Interesting? I think there were limits of support last time,
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  Speaker 2: but I think the situations this time. This time, there's
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  Speaker 2: been a lot of news, obviously about the changes that
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  Speaker 2: we're all going to need to make with the education system.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate this talk in the long term, but it's
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  Speaker 2: certainly not going to do anything in the next next
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  Speaker 2: three years. Teachers are going to need to work harder
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  Speaker 2: than other properly, and one percent we know is a
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  Speaker 2: net net sort of decrease in income. So I guess
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  Speaker 2: i'd ask you the question, what would you say if
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  Speaker 2: your boss says we needed to work harder and more
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  Speaker 2: difficult commisions, we're going to pay you less.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you've got your pay progression, which according
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  Speaker 1: to the Public Service Commission, they reckon that's up four
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  Speaker 1: and a half to seven and a half percent, and
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  Speaker 1: your pay when you when you add that into the mix.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Hey, there's going to be some new answers
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  Speaker 2: that they're going to need to do that will need
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  Speaker 2: to be debated through. I can't deny it's a pretty
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  Speaker 2: record trigger to a strike and certainly I got a
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  Speaker 2: shotgund and saw that yesterday. But I don't think anybody
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  Speaker 2: would be expect would be surprised to see some resistance.
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  Speaker 2: There are some other layers to in the offer there
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  Speaker 2: and not just pay related that aren't great for teachers.
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  Speaker 2: So now I think I think most parents will have
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  Speaker 2: some sympathy for teachers at the moment. Everybody knows it's
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  Speaker 2: a tough place to work in school. When Australia is
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  Speaker 2: paying significantly more than what we do, we're not going
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  Speaker 2: to do anything to halt the teacher shortage if we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to make some conditions better.
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  Speaker 1: Andy, appreciate your time this morning. Thanks for coming on
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  Speaker 1: Indy England Darfield High School Principal. For more from Early
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