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- 0:11Welcome, welcome, our wonderful audience.
- 0:14This is Dr.
- 0:15Peter Breggan.
- 0:16And I'm with my wife Ginger Bregan.
- 0:19Hi, folks.
- 0:20And this is the Breggan hour.
- 0:22Yep.
- 0:24Jin, you want to tell folks all the places that they can hear us?
- 0:29Sure.
- 0:29I'd also like to say that the recording that you heard last weekend was made two months ago.
- 0:35Peter was a lot more quiet during that recording, and at least one of our listeners commented to me.
- 0:42So I wanted to reassure people that Peter is actually doing so much better and continues to be.
- 0:59That's right.
- 1:00Well, you you've done you've done 59 now, honey.
- 1:03Tomorrow is 60.
- 1:04Peter graduates tomorrow from the program.
- 1:07This is the Aviv, A V I V Israeli program here in Central Florida.
- 1:16And it specializes in hyperbaric oxygen therapy.
- 1:22Not FDA approved as of yet for neurological disorders, but it has been in considerable use and uh by this clinic and by others over time now for stroke rehabilitation.
- 1:40We came down here when Ginger started making inquiries among our innumerable friends in the health freedom movement.
- 1:51Several of whom said get to that clinic as soon as possible.
- 1:56And we did Ginger upended everything in our life.
- 1:59In 11 days.
- 2:00Brought me down here.
- 2:02We've been living down here for about three months.
- 2:06Three months.
- 2:08And now poor beleaguered wife of mine is going to have the freedom to go back to New York.
- 2:15Actually, this is a blessed wife.
- 2:17I am really blessed.
- 2:19God has so looked after us, and he's brought innumerable miracles into my life just to make this happen.
- 2:29And the way that Peter has been helped, and the people who have come together to help us and to be our friends and so forth.
- 2:38So the blessings continue, my friends.
- 2:42There were so many that have occurred during the COVID time and since then.
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- 4:14Leo Holman, H O H M A N.
- 4:18He's a truth seeker.
- 4:20One of the things that has happened during COVID and subsequent events, is that truth seekers have been born across the freedom spirit of America.
- 4:32And Leo is definitely one of them and has been from early on.
- 4:38He describes himself as well, his new book, Stealth Invasion First, has spent the majority of 2017.
- 4:48This was written a while back, Leo, among Amazon Dr.
- 4:53It's not a new book.
- 4:54Yeah.
- 4:55It's not a new book, new to us.
- 4:57But it is still relevant.
- 4:59Absolutely.
- 5:00Absolutely.
- 5:01And um today we're going to be drawing on his knowledge to talk about something of extreme importance to uh to Americans.
- 5:12And since we're uh we've become a land of experimentation for totalitarianism, the implications are widely applied throughout the world.
- 5:24Uh Leo has just written an article about something that I have not been paying much attention to since my stroke.
- 5:34Oh, honey, you've been a little busy.
- 5:36Yeah, the stroke, the stroke hit at my spontaneity and my natural engagement in life.
- 5:45And I would say that while I've had a lot of recovery while taking the hyperbaric oxygen treatments, which are basically given in something that looks like a airplane fuselage because it's set up for being pressurized and depressurized periodically, and it has dropping spots for oxygen, which is, if you think about it, very similar to an airplane fuselage.
- 6:24And it has uh really healed my injured brain and mind.
- 6:32What's the major force because when I realized I couldn't articulate like I used to, and uh that my energy had been quite reduced, I could see the lost ginger in her eyes, and that was certainly my greatest motivation.
- 6:55I was not going to see me depriving me, depriving my wife of me.
- 7:02That was funny.
- 7:04It was just an unacceptable alternative in this universe to uh for me.
- 7:13And um, so I just uh used my might every bit of it as I had, marshalled it and put it together, and just didn't give up uh my strength, which was hit by quite directly by the stroke, which uh hit an area called the thalamus, which is a coordination area close to the uh temporal lobes and memory and close to the frontal lobes and all the higher functioning.
- 7:48And um I um I deeply believe if there's one or two lessons out of all this for me.
- 7:57It's confirmed my belief of in mind over matter that is in our human will and our ability to come back from major physical injury because we are more than our brains, we're more than the physical universe.
- 8:17We are the spiritual universe, and while I have only tapped that in my knowledge at this age, which is a pretty ripe old age.
- 8:30Um I do believe that's fundamentally where we live, and that love infests that that uh physical world with special magnificence and energy and wonderment that we can tap into directly.
- 8:51And we saw this, we see this again and again in our lives and at this clinic too, where there's so much human love going into the treatment.
- 9:03It's hard to know or separate out the uh cutting edge treatment with high oxygen.
- 9:13Um we call the dives because the whole process of this treatment developed out of treating the pens from people who were in depth in the ocean and rose too quickly, and um they uh started getting these bubbles in their blood that would could be uh very damaging like strokes, like uh whole bunch of the strokes.
- 9:44And um by um oxygenating their bodies at high pressure, overcame the effect of Benz.
- 9:54And um in this case, it um
- 10:00Vastly speeds up the physical recovery, the mass cell response and the growth of actual stem cells.
- 10:09Stem cells.
- 10:10Yeah, this it helps the it helps the proliferation of stem cells, the production of stem cells by the body, and it really uh increases them, especially towards the end of the program.
- 10:24Uh it's uh it's uh and it even grows new new small vessels.
- 10:31That's right.
- 10:32It it replaced the damaged ones or the blocked ones, yes.
- 10:35So it reenervates portions of the brain that may have been damaged through blockage or uh death, any of those cells that are injured but not gone completely, uh, have a possibility of coming back.
- 10:50And that's the that that's what happens.
- 10:53I've seen people come in in wheelchairs and leave uh walking, even without a walker.
- 11:01Uh and we've seen people that were described as literally coming in in uh not even in a wheelchair, but on a on a gurney on a gurney and walking out of there.
- 11:15Um it's an astonishing program.
- 11:19I understand that uh that uh Secretary Kennedy has really endorsed this program for treatment and healing of tissues, including neurological injury, and he's said at least that he'd love to see these kinds of clinics all over the country, and I would certainly agree with that.
- 11:42But you know what?
- 11:43We've only got six minutes left before the end of the first segment.
- 11:46We should bring our guest on because he has really important information for all of us.
- 11:52Um Leo, give us a quick summary of your new blog, and uh and what you're doing in the context of broad important vest context of uh the surveillance state.
- 12:11Yeah, I'd like to talk maybe about two recent articles uh that I've come out with, one being the uh mandatory remote kill switches that are going to be in all new automobiles coming out in 2026, this year, starting with this current model year.
- 12:33Uh, and then the other article also relating to the surveillance state is the uh advancement in technology uh being applied and and sold to cities and towns across America by a company called Flock Safety.
- 12:52Flock safety is based here in Atlanta, where I am, and uh it's been around uh for about nine years, uh, with what are called license plate reader technology cameras that log and document every car that passes by 24 7.
- 13:15Uh this has been going on, like I said, for nine years.
- 13:18Most people aren't even aware of it, but now they've upgraded their technology with new audio capability where they're actually be recording sounds as well.
- 13:29Uh this started with them uh saying that uh that that the sensors it's all AI powered, and these sensors, which don't just collect the data but analyze it and contextualize it, supposedly.
- 13:46Uh, but every time a gunshot would go off in a community where these uh cameras are, the police would receive an alert from the flock camera.
- 13:58And so that sounded wonderful as well, right?
- 14:01I mean, who wouldn't want the police to know about gunshots going off in a community?
- 14:07But then we found out in October of last year that the system had been upgraded again with uh the capability to uh to hear not just gunshots, but human voices.
- 14:25Uh, they tried to market it as screams for help, okay.
- 14:30But then they had to admit that it's more than just a shrieking loud scream that would be picked up by these audio sensors, these super sensitive microphones.
- 14:41Uh, that it could even be human talking at a certain decibel level.
- 14:46And so uh these things are in 6,000 communities across the United States.
- 14:52Most people might be aware that they have license plate readers in their communities, but I think very few are aware that they now are outfitted with super sensitive uh high-powered microphones.
- 15:07Um they also are building into the automobiles now.
- 15:13Yes.
- 15:14Um, I think that's the one you most recently wrote about.
- 15:18That was actually the that was actually the earlier one from a couple of weeks ago, and then most recently was this flock safety article about the upgraded uh cameras.
- 15:28So, yeah, let's let's circle back to the first article, which was about the mandatory remote vehicle kill switch.
- 15:39This was buried in Joe Biden's 2021 infrastructure bill.
- 15:45There was a component in that 2500-page bill that got little to no attention at the time that made it mandatory for automobile manufacturers to include a government remote kill switch in all new vehicles effective 2026.
- 16:03And so here we are now five years later in 2026.
- 16:08We've got a new president, and we've got an all-republican Congress.
- 16:12You would think that would be stripped out of the bill, right?
- 16:17Wrong.
- 16:19Thomas Massey introduced an amendment to the bill a couple less than two weeks ago, about a week ago.
- 16:27Uh that would have stripped it out.
- 16:30And guess what?
- 16:3157 Republicans crossed over to vote with nearly all Democrats to defeat Thomas Massey's bill.
- 16:39And so now unless uh the Senate does something, it's since moved on.
- 16:44This is since moved into the Senate as far as funding the bill.
- 16:47That's where it could still be up-ended if the Senate uh would agree not to fund this particular part of the infrastructure bill.
- 16:56I guess it could still be stopped.
- 16:58But if the Republicans in the House, which tend to be more conservative than the Republicans in the Senate, don't have enough gumption to stop it.
- 17:07I don't have too much hope that the Republican senators are going to stop it.
- 17:12And so we will end up with government having the ability to shut down our vehicles uh on a say so of the government.
- 17:23And what you know, it's all being done under the guise of preventing drunken driving.
- 17:29It's always for our safety, right?
- 17:31Just like the flock cameras are for our safety, they're gonna detect gunshots, but then incrementally they change the and upgrade the technology, and all of a sudden they're listening to our conversations.
- 17:44It's gonna be the same thing with this remote kill switch.
- 17:48I guarantee it.
- 17:50Uh, but even if it does just remain as a method of shutting down the vehicles for drunk drivers, think of how much it could be not only abused and be expanded beyond drunk drivers, but let's say for the benefit of the doubt, let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say that it only is applied to people that AI thinks may be driving drunk.
- 18:19Guess what?
- 18:20AI makes a lot of mistakes.
- 18:22Okay, you have a question.
- 18:24Go ahead.
- 18:25We have to take a break.
- 18:26We're gonna come right back with the next segment.
- 18:29Thank you, Leo.
- 18:30We'll be right back.
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- 21:01Yes.
- 21:08They're chasing, for example, or that they say that they feel have been going too too fast.
- 21:15Maybe they'll be screaming back and forth across the new technology saying, why are you in a hurry?
- 21:22Where are you going?
- 21:23And I can just see my poor wife slipping me to the hospital because she's been told that time is of essence in a stroke.
- 21:33And she's trying to give me the hospital.
- 21:36And uh some policeman has just cut the engine off.
- 21:40Um, oh yeah.
- 21:42I just hope you don't lose your temper too much with the copy.
- 21:44No, I promise I won't lose my temper with the police.
- 21:47That's not a smart thing to ever.
- 21:49You raise a valid point there.
- 21:50I mean, there are so many reasons why someone might drive too fast or might drive erratically.
- 21:58I mean, think of how many times a squirrel or a rabbit or a dog ran across the road and you swerve to mists killing the animal.
- 22:06That could be interpreted by the AI component in your vehicle as you being under the influence and boom, your car get engine is shut off.
- 22:15I mean, somebody could be swerving in the other lane, and so you have to swerve in order to uh miss a head-on collision, and it's interpreted as you driving erratically and possibly under the influence, boom, your engine is cut off.
- 22:31This thing is just a nightmare waiting to happen.
- 22:34And I cannot believe that 57 Republican congressmen thought it was a good idea to let the government using AI determine whether someone's vehicle should be left running or not.
- 22:49Well, given what we're learning about so many powerful people and their uh their their fortunes that they've come into while in office after coming into office as middle class individuals, and they end up after very few years, multimillionaires or more.
- 23:13Um I'm I some I hate to assume the worst, but there's so much of that kind of personal profit going on at the expense of citizens' freedom and protection and uh human rights.
- 23:36100%.
- 23:37It seems like we're losing our human agency, our human individual sovereignty uh in the face of a growing surveillance state.
- 23:48And unfortunately, uh this Republican administration, while it has done a lot of good things on other fronts, it is rapidly advancing the technocracy, the technocratic control aspect of our society.
- 24:02If you look at all the data centers that are being built under Trump's operation Stargate, uh half a trillion dollars he's raising to go into new AI data centers, which will just increase the capacity for all this type of you know, algorithmic control of human agency and and hum individuality.
- 24:25Uh, and so we're really locked in a uh in a death struggle here, I think, uh, to maintain our humanity and our individual sovereignty in the face of this growing AI threat.
- 24:39Um, I mentioned to you off the air before we started that I recently lost a major contract, uh, a writing contract that I had with a conservative media outlet, uh that uh I was replaced by AI.
- 24:55I was writing a news script, uh a five-day-a-week news script, and they decided that they could do it almost as good through AI uh to gather up this news and write it in in broadcast style.
- 25:12Um, then I could do it.
- 25:13And so, you know, they were paying me three thousand dollars a month, and uh they can just use an AI program for you know about $25 a month and get the same thing.
- 25:27So, or close to it.
- 25:28I mean, they admitted it wouldn't be quite as good, but it would be good enough.
- 25:34Oh my gosh.
- 25:37That's amazing, Leo.
- 25:39I'm first of all, I'm sorry.
- 25:41That but you're an early victim of this whole AI uh revolution, and uh well it makes me so uneasy.
- 25:51All of the I don't think we've begun to really plumb the depths of potential damage that AI can do.
- 26:01Well, I think you're exactly right.
- 26:03And you know, Yuval Harari spoke at the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos a couple weeks ago, and he laid it on the line about where we're heading with AI.
- 26:14He said that anything that involves words.
- 26:19Think of how many industries, professions involve words.
- 26:24He said those will be the first things to be taken over by AI.
- 26:29Uh that would include lawyers and legal assistance, that would include the news industry.
- 26:37That would include, you know, the broadcast industry.
- 26:41That would include pastors and rabbis and and religious uh people in religious uh professions.
- 26:50Basically, they deal in words, whether it be, you know, every religion has their holy book, right?
- 26:56And it has their scriptures.
- 26:59Well, AI knows those scriptures better than any pastor or rabbi knows those scriptures and the history of them and all of the interpretations of every verse in the Bible are you know, at the are can be lickedly split, called up by AI in a few seconds and wrap an entire sermon around a given uh pretext from the Bible, and boom, you've just replaced your pastor.
- 27:30Um, or at least the preaching aspect of the pastor.
- 27:33Maybe he can still visit the sick and do some other things, but are they gonna pay him as much to do that?
- 27:40Probably not.
- 27:41So uh then you, you know, you look at all the legal profession and the medical profession.
- 27:49All of these jobs are in jeopardy.
- 27:51Um, maybe not of being completely replaced, but of being reduced.
- 27:56The necessity for human input is going to be greatly reduced uh between now and 2030.
- 28:05Uh, we've got about four or five years before it is completely taken over everything.
- 28:12We are the last generations of free thinkers or gentlemen, essentially human beings for the last generation.
- 28:22Oh, yeah.
- 28:23Yes.
- 28:25Uh this is a nightmare.
- 28:28I mean, think about the music industry.
- 28:30People used to make a lot of money writing songs, writing lyrics for songs, right?
- 28:37We have now got two cases where an AI bot, an AI bot has cracked the top 10 Christian music singles uh over the last couple of years.
- 28:53Not even a real person has written a song that has cracked the top 10 list of most popular Christian songs.
- 29:01So uh this is just getting started.
- 29:04It's going to take over the artistic community, uh, along with all of these other things I've mentioned.
- 29:10And it's really sad because that is what you make what makes life rich and what makes cultures rich.
- 29:18But you're going to have now this sort of homogenized lack of creative AI uh template that makes music sound basically the same, whether you're, you know, uh in Nashville or in uh Bombay, India.
- 29:35You know, I mean, it's just going to be a lack of uh uh uh of variety and a lack of really uh human creativity.
- 29:47I don't know how else to say it.
- 29:49I agree.
- 29:51Well, and it's who is who is doing the AI, who's organizing it?
- 29:58It's always going to be either more.
- 30:00Powerful.
- 30:01Even the society.
- 30:02Yeah, it's the elites.
- 30:04It's the elites that go to the World Economic Forum to uh that that are that are pulling the strings for WHO in the United Nations.
- 30:15And there's already the whole proposal for 2030 on how to completely control and manage the world.
- 30:25100%.
- 30:26Yeah.
- 30:26And one of those is to create a single religion.
- 30:31Yes.
- 30:32Uh, which boggles my mind because single homogenized religion.
- 30:37Well, they'll mix in, you know, a little bit of Christianity, a little bit of Judaism, a little bit of Islam, maybe some Hinduism, and they'll call it a day, right?
- 30:49Yep.
- 30:51Well, oh wow.
- 30:53It's hard to just even comprehend that.
- 30:58Yeah, I mean, Harari has talked about possibly all new religions being created by AI.
- 31:04Um, I really think that the object is to uh make people who are the most tuned into AI, uh, and to like make them feel like they're little gods because they have access to all this information, and they don't even have to, you know, search the internet anymore.
- 31:26Like you used to have to at least get on Google and or some other search engine and and really work at finding things, but now you just ask chat BGP GPT a question or grok a question, uh, you know, and and it spits out an answer.
- 31:44You know, write me a 500, you know, write me a 3,000-word article on such and such, incorporating this, that, and the other, and boom, you've got an article.
- 31:54Uh, you know, it really is something else.
- 31:57Um, but AI is not perfect, and and that, you know, going back to the flock safety, you know, cameras.
- 32:07Uh, a group called the um electronic freedom foundation did a massive investigation into these flock cameras to find out just how effective they were.
- 32:19And it, you know, at combating crime and eliminating crime.
- 32:23Because what they're really talking about doing is not solving crimes, which traditionally that is the function of law enforcement.
- 32:31A crime gets committed, law enforcement solves it, finds the bad guy, and throws him in jail.
- 32:37But that this is a whole big other leap towards not solving crime, but being able to predict crimes before they happen.
- 32:49Uh it's like the film minority report from about 20 years ago starring um Tom Cruise.
- 32:57Tom Cruise, right, where they had the department of pre-crime, and they had all this technology, these cameras 24-7 rolling, and they were able to find a uh, you know, and even get into people's thoughts, right?
- 33:10With algorithms and and it's much more possible now than back when this movie came out.
- 33:17Uh with social media, especially where well, so and so posted this to social media, he could be dangerous, and we see police arresting people for people's opinions on social media in the UK.
- 33:31Uh, it was like over 3,000 people last year were arrested in the UK alone for putting an opinion on Facebook or some other social media outlet that led the government to believe that they could be dangerous, right?
- 33:46These aren't even threats, folks.
- 33:48I've read about that too, and these are statements that just aren't considered to be acceptable.
- 33:55Uh 100%.
- 33:56The UK has, for instance, arrested a teacher who refused to uh to call a child by his selected gender name that didn't match his biological uh reality, and the teacher felt that that was just very aberrative and wrong to do to a child to allow and to tolerate that kind of fantasy, and it led to a lot of injury, and that teacher has now been in jail.
- 34:30I think the last I saw a couple of months ago was over 555 days or something that he'd been in jail.
- 34:38Uh the another guy was put in jail because he made note of all the Palestinian flags that were flying at some protest.
- 34:46Yes.
- 34:47Uh, you know, so it whatever is the most unpopular, whatever goes against the government narrative, whether it's true or not, can get you in trouble.
- 34:56But getting back to uh the point about the electronic uh freedom foundation study of the flock cameras, they found that over 90 percent of the alerts that were sent to the police ended up being false alarms.
- 35:13Oh my gosh.
- 35:14Yes.
- 35:15So, and in one case, they found a uh teenager, uh, it was either a preteen or a teen, young girl, actually got shot at by the police because they thought they were encountering a dangerous situation due to their flock alert system, when in actuality it was just some normal activity that they thought was a scream or a cry for help, and it wasn't, it was nothing of the sort.
- 35:43And so they came in with all guns blazing and ended up firing a shot at a girl and injuring her.
- 35:50So, you know, as many lives as it could be saved from this, you're gonna have the opposite occur.
- 35:57And when somebody's actually harmed by it.
- 36:00And so these little girl, little girls often shriek too.
- 36:05Absolutely.
- 36:06Absolutely.
- 36:08And so, you know, they don't even accomplish the goal that they say they are uh striving to meet.
- 36:15That is really, you know, you know, I'll read from you from the uh flock safety website.
- 36:21There's a little snippet here that I grabbed for my article.
- 36:24It says that we got two minutes, Leo.
- 36:26I think I can do it in two minutes.
- 36:28Okay, they say this technology, quote, transforms passive video surveillance into active threat detection without replacing a single camera.
- 36:38Our AI-powered risk mitigation platform helps you identify threats like drawn guns, falls, vehicles, intruders, and more.
- 36:48So your team can act before it's too late.
- 36:51Our AI doesn't just detect, it prioritizes and contextualizes threats in real time uh with the IntelliC risk matrix, is what they call it.
- 37:03So, yeah, they admit in there that it's not a crime necessarily that they're trying to pick up, it's the threat of a possible crime, and so that is the danger, they're usually wrong.
- 37:16Wow.
- 37:19Wow.
- 37:21Are you gonna get a chance to track the particular Republicans and see if there's any what the pattern is, or is it pretty much everybody?
- 37:31Well, you know, all but uh, I mean, 57 voted the wrong way on the vehicle kill switch, and I did name every one of them in my article.
- 37:41Every one of the 57 is named in the article that crossed over and voted with the Democrats.
- 37:47Only four Democrats did not uh only four Democrats voted for Thomas Massey's amendment that would have eliminated this remote kill switch, but uh about half the Republicans did.
- 38:02So, you know, uh go to that article and you can see the names and see if it's your congressman and uh you may want to have a word with them.
- 38:11And we'll be right back.
- 38:13We're we're ready for our next break.
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- 40:02And we're back with Leo Holman.
- 40:05Leo, would you please tell everyone how to find your substack, your articles?
- 40:10Sure.
- 40:12You can find me at LeoHoman.substack.com.
- 40:17You can uh I don't like to put my stuff behind a paywall, so you can get a free uh subscription.
- 40:24Uh, but if you want to support my work, you can get a paid subscription for seven dollars a month or eighty dollars a year.
- 40:32Uh, and this gives you access not only to the current articles, but the entire archive of articles.
- 40:40Thank you.
- 40:41Uh, and thank you so much for being on our show today.
- 40:44We've oh, absolutely.
- 40:46It's my honor to be on with uh both you, Ginger and Dr.
- 40:50Braggan.
- 40:51Thank you, Leo.
- 40:52So it seems to me, and I'm not sure I'm right about this, but I'm very aware, and I think the world has become quite aware of what a boondoggle the alternative energy arena has become or or is and has been from the beginning.
- 41:09The solar power, especially.
- 41:12Um, we see these vast arrays of uh solar uh solar panels over farmland that was rich, productive farmland, and now there are the panels everywhere, and when that next hailstorm comes along, or a tornado, or some other kind of weather or other event, the that broken glass, it's like salting that soil.
- 41:39So it's more than just putting that farmland out of production for the moment, it really finalizes the production and the lack of being able and and it ensures the inability to reclaim that farmland for probably centuries because there's all there are all kinds of terrible toxic um toxic ingredients in those solar panels when they break, including mercury.
- 42:08Um, do you feel that it's a similar kind of a boondoggle, or at least has aspects of it, AI to the to the alternative energy arena?
- 42:19It it benefits the same people, the same people who pushed all of the solar and the and the alternative energy.
- 42:29Now they're benefiting already from AI, and I think billions are being made.
- 42:37Uh that you raise an excellent point, Ginger.
- 42:40Um, you know, they they always have a moral reason for the uh the latest thing, the latest uh investment opportunity, right?
- 42:50For the ultra-rich multimillionaires and billionaires.
- 42:54Uh, you know, the for years it's been like you said, alternative energy.
- 42:59I can remember back in the 90s, people were talking about we need to invest in alternative energy.
- 43:05Um, and they had their biomass plants, right?
- 43:08Where they were burning garbage and stuff and uh replacing clean gas-fueled, you know, plants um to produce energy, and uh, and of course, coal fire coal-fired plants were absolutely seen as you know, uh a detriment to society and had to be eliminated.
- 43:28Uh, when we in fact have clean coal technologies now that uh are nothing like it used to be back in the 60s and 70s.
- 43:36Um it's the same thing, it's going to be the same thing with these AI data centers.
- 43:43These things are often massive, they have a massive footprint, like 500,000 square feet to a million square feet in some cases.
- 43:52Um, you know, they're they're producing they're they're they're sucking up uh millions of gallons of water, fresh water are needed to cool the servers on these massive server farms inside of these data centers.
- 44:08Um they're using up uh massive amounts of electric power, and guess what?
- 44:15People are already seeing their electric bills skyrocket in states and communities where these data centers are being opened.
- 44:24Um even if one is not like in your backyard, even if you have uh two or three in your state, it can eat up enough electric power to where your rates are now going to be increased because they have less to power to go around, and if they raise the rates, they know you're gonna use less, right?
- 44:44Uh, and so again, the common person, the hardworking nine to five working class person is going to have to be uh uh shivering in the winter and sweating in the summer because they can't afford to heat and cooler their house anymore, whereas the data centers are uh you know getting all of the power they need at whatever rate they uh they say they need to pay for it in order to make a profit.
- 45:11Um, and so absolutely the people investing in these data centers are the ones who are going to make out uh in the end, and the working class taxpayer is going to be the one left holding the bag, putting the bill.
- 45:26The other thing that I've read about these data centers is these data centers, folks, are these huge um these huge buildings that are built to hold uh unimaginable amount of computer technology that then runs the AI programs and algorithms and so forth.
- 45:51Really, I think it's very hard to picture these things unless you start to see videos of them and how much space they take up on in a county and a community.
- 46:03They are also these data centers, as you said, require all this fresh water, and there are already small communities where the the households, the family households are no longer getting water or they're getting very uh very brown uh contaminated water and little of it to supply their homes with when they had plenty of water before because the underwater storage, which the earth has, and I'm blanking on what that's called now.
- 46:39Um, the ground, what's below it?
- 46:43There are those, there are those areas in the earth under the earth that hold a lot of water.
- 46:50Thank you.
- 46:51Aquifers, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 46:53They are actually being emptied, and this would affect everyone's private well, and it would affect eventually also the city water that gets collected from various sources.
- 47:06Oh, yeah.
- 47:07So uh our uh our human beings living uh resources, fundamental living sources, heat, shelter, water, which is as important as anything else in the world, are being pulled away.
- 47:25And instead, computers and technology is being serviced.
- 47:30It really is upside down.
- 47:32Yes, not only that, but there is also uh some people who know a whole lot more about this industry than I do, who are predicting that you know, within five years or 10 years at the most, these massive data centers could be rendered uh irrelevant and useless because a new technology were will come along that is faster and requires less space.
- 47:59In fact, China's AI, they say is already advanced to the point where they don't need the amount of uh of electric power generation that our uh data centers require.
- 48:12And so there's a good chance that within five to ten years, we're going to be left with massive empty hollowed out data centers sitting there like big albatrosses around the taxpayers' necks uh with no use for them.
- 48:29And and compounding the problem is that most of these investors who are paying to build these data centers are uh getting tax breaks.
- 48:42They're getting tax abatements to build these things, like 10-year tax abatements.
- 48:48So they'll use it until they don't need it anymore, and then they'll walk away before the tax abatement expires, and the county uh the county leaders who told the people that oh, this is gonna bring in a bunch of tax revenue and you know, complete falsity.
- 49:06Uh the taxpayers are going to be left putting the bill for these things.
- 49:12That's enough to chew on for a while, isn't it?
- 49:15Boy, it really is.
- 49:17I I keep thinking about my childhood back in the 50s and the 60s.
- 49:22It was so much simpler.
- 49:24Oh my gosh, it was so much simpler.
- 49:27I I already yearn for libraries, and I'll tell you, I've used I've used grok a few times, and it's been very convenient, but wow, this is like too big a price to pay.
- 49:40The world is moving too fast, and there are no controls.
- 49:44There, there's they say that uh there are no controls.
- 49:47That's a great point.
- 49:48Uh, President Trump actually did an executive order banning the states from regulating AI.
- 49:56So I don't know if that could hold up in court.
- 49:59I don't see how.
- 50:00It can because it's a direct violation of the 10th amendment.
- 50:03Right.
- 50:04Uh, you know, but uh, you know, he he's just hell bent on unfettered, unregulated AI.
- 50:12He says we need it to keep up with the Chinese, uh, but if we're not careful, we're gonna become the Chinese.
- 50:19That's my concern.
- 50:20Yeah, that is such a good point.
- 50:22We practically became the Chinese during COVID.
- 50:26We were that close.
- 50:27It was just a matter of degree.
- 50:30I don't know of, I know of only one or two stories that I heard where people were sealed into their buildings, actually, sealed into their buildings.
- 50:41Whereas in China, there are those enclosed apartment complexes, they're huge, those huge complexes, and there were numbers of thousands or if not tens, hundreds of thousands of people who were sealed into their enclaves there in China.
- 50:58So it was just a matter of degree here and there.
- 51:02And uh, we could even use lose that difference in all of this control technology that's being put in place.
- 51:12You are so right about that.
- 51:14I mean, you think about what we started off talking about with the remote vehicle kill switch.
- 51:20It's not like it's a human being evaluating you and are you fit to drive.
- 51:26It's AI.
- 51:28Uh, it's gonna be the same thing when judges are replaced by AI and teachers are replaced by AI.
- 51:36Uh, you'll go to court and you'll get a decision not from a human being sitting behind the bench, but from AI.
- 51:43And how do you argue your case with a machine?
- 51:49You can't.
- 51:50Uh, at least when we have the human bureaucracy as is out of control as it is, right?
- 51:56You always have the chance, uh, you know, whether it's the IRS or some other agency, you always have the chance of arguing your case.
- 52:04You always have the the ability to argue your case, and you have the chance of winning it based on you another human being hearing your case, having sympathy uh or empathy and ruling in your favor.
- 52:19But if it's AI, you have now replaced that human entity, that human uh uh entity and empathy with a machine and an algorithm.
- 52:31Um, so this is where we're heading in society.
- 52:34It's a very dangerous place, and a lot of these uh tech brothers, these tech bros have even warned us that this is where we're heading, and we need to have some uh regulation in place.
- 52:46So for our government to say that we need no regulation just because the Chinese are competing with us, uh, to me is disingenuous.
- 52:57We're America, we're not China, and we don't want our country to become like China.
- 53:03I'm thinking about medicine.
- 53:06Yes, we have run into such horrible bureaucratic.
- 53:12Already just because just because the standards are now computerized and checklisted, so symptoms get entered in, and the doctor gets first line of treatment, second line of treatment, etc.
- 53:28And there isn't any individual consideration of the individual, the human in front of the physician, the art of medicine, that piece uh that involved knowledge and intuition and communication with your patient and understanding and empathy, all of that is being replaced by computers by machinery.
- 53:57Um and it's it's terrible when it happens.
- 54:02You have to have so much individual strength to push back against it.
- 54:08When we were in the hospital, they the doctors had a list of drugs that the they're supposed to have uh as a protocol to give to a stroke patient, and I had to resist so many of them, and again and again, every new doctor that would come into the room would introduce the same list.
- 54:28It's like nudging, you know, they would try to nudge you again if you didn't agree to it the first time.
- 54:34And think about it.
- 54:36Think about it.
- 54:36If they're all using the same AI programs, what does getting a second opinion even mean anymore?
- 54:45Yeah, it doesn't because they're all gonna have the same opinion because they're using the same computerized parameters.
- 54:52That's right.
- 54:53They're quote unquote protocols.
- 54:56Leo, we've got uh just under three minutes left.
- 54:59Would you summarize real quickly if you would like and let people know again how they can reach you?
- 55:06Yeah, uh, my most the most the best way to find my articles is on Substack, Leo Homan.substack.com and Homan is spelled H-O-H-M-A-N-N with two Ns.
- 55:20Uh, I'm also on Telegram.
- 55:22If you have the Telegram app, you go on there and search Leo Homanslash author journalist, and you'll find my public channel there, which is pretty active.
- 55:32I post uh not just my own stuff there, but articles I find of interest from other people, and uh I'm on uh X, formerly Twitter, but all I do there is post my articles.
- 55:46So if you subscribe to my Substack or my Telegram, you really don't need to uh follow me on X.
- 55:56Um and uh, you know, uh I just thank you for your ministry, your public podcasting, uh hanging in there with us, even through ill health, and uh, you know, you you are warriors, both of you for truth, warriors for truth.
- 56:14Uh I and that that title of your book, uh Global Predators, we are the prey.
- 56:22You are ahead of your time with that title because I think more and more over the last five, what is it been four or five years since that almost six, yeah.
- 56:33Wow, that's hard to believe.
- 56:36But your your book has been affirmed and uh and and validated over and over again that these globalist elites are part of an exclusive club, and we aren't part of it.
- 56:51That's right, and we are part of that club.
- 56:54No, yes, it's COVID-19 and the global predators, we are the prey, and that's on Amazon.
- 57:00Thank you, Leo.
- 57:01And we're out of time, basically.
- 57:04This is Dr.
- 57:05Peter Bregan, who's doing much better and gingerbreaking, and our wonderful guest, Leo Holman.
- 57:12Leo, thank you.
- 57:14My pleasure.
- 57:15Thank you for having me on the