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The Late Debate | 13 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good evening and thanks for joining us on the
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  Speaker 1: Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Free Leitch and Caleb Bond coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight. Chinese scientists have created robotic antelopes to collect
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  Speaker 3: information from animals in the wild. Is this the future
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  Speaker 3: of environmental research or just another way for jijinping to
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  Speaker 3: find dissident mammals as well? UK police go undercover to
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  Speaker 3: catch blokes who wolf whistle at good looking girls. Women
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  Speaker 3: are grateful, but critics say police should concentrate on catching
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  Speaker 3: actual criminals. And how is it that the entire world
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  Speaker 3: is protesting the crisis in Gaza but it's completely silent
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  Speaker 3: on Christians being slaughtered in Africa. All of that coming
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  Speaker 3: up soon. But first, parents and teachers have long worried
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  Speaker 3: that devices are turning our kids into Google dependent goldfish.
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  Speaker 3: So one South Australian school has decided to act. Saint
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  Speaker 3: Igna's College in Adelaide as signatious Sorry College in Adelaide
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  Speaker 3: Thank You Caleb has banned devices for grades one to
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  Speaker 3: three and imposed strict limits up to year nine. The
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  Speaker 3: school told parents that apps like Google and Chat GPT
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  Speaker 3: are choking creativity, crippling critical thinking, sabotaging concentration, and erasing patients.
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  Speaker 3: In other words, great for TikTok, terrible for life. Critic
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  Speaker 3: scoff that the policy is prehistoric and will leave kids
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  Speaker 3: unprepared for the real world. Parents, however, largely approve. After all,
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  Speaker 3: if the real world is full of people who can't focus,
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  Speaker 3: can't think, and can't wait for their turn, well maybe
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  Speaker 3: preparing children for the real world isn't the noble goal
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  Speaker 3: we thought it was. So would you Freyer be more
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  Speaker 3: inclined or less inclined to send your child to a
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  Speaker 3: school that had banned devices for learning?
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  Speaker 4: I would totally back as school that banned devices. I
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  Speaker 4: remember when I was going through school. I graduated in
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty. So for our whole high school, we all
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  Speaker 4: had laptops and iPads and byo devices, and for the
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  Speaker 4: most part, most students just used them.
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  Speaker 5: To get distracted.
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  Speaker 4: There were very limited ways they could be helpful, like
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  Speaker 4: if you're learning a language, they can do flash cards
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  Speaker 4: and language programs better than a textbook, but that was
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  Speaker 4: really it. So they come with a whole lot of
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  Speaker 4: trade offs, and really, on the balance, they're not worth
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  Speaker 4: much at all. But this whole idea that somehow digital
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  Speaker 4: devices would revolutionize education was just another fantasy of the left.
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  Speaker 4: You guys might remember back in two thousand and seven
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  Speaker 4: Kevin Rudd promise to give every student in Australia a laptop.
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  Speaker 4: And when governments pick winners, they often get it wrong.
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  Speaker 4: It was a disastrous program, really didn't help anyone do
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  Speaker 4: very much at all, and the long term impacts of
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  Speaker 4: having devices in schools are on the whole very negative.
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  Speaker 4: So good on Saint Ignatius. Hopefully more schools followed.
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  Speaker 6: But I remember when I was in primary school, they
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  Speaker 6: came up with these things called smart boards, which were
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  Speaker 6: you know, because of course the blackboard was superseded by
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  Speaker 6: the whiteboard, and then they came up with the smartboards
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  Speaker 6: that was going to do all the same stuff, but
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  Speaker 6: it was all on a screen and then you could
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  Speaker 6: also you know, show videos and whatever all in one package.
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  Speaker 2: And everyone said, touch screens. Isn't this amazing?
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  Speaker 6: And little did we know a few years later everyone
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  Speaker 6: to be walking around with touch screens on basically everything
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  Speaker 6: they now use.
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  Speaker 2: And of course I was the same.
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  Speaker 6: I had a laptop in high school and you know,
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  Speaker 6: I know it's a strange sort of rebellion. But I
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  Speaker 6: hate to tell many of my teachers that I spent
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  Speaker 6: most of my time in class reading the newspaper on
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  Speaker 6: that laptop because that's what I was interested in doing
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  Speaker 6: instead of whatever they were talking about. But you know,
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  Speaker 6: I did all right, and I'm here, so I think
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  Speaker 6: I've done all right for myself. But this will be
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  Speaker 6: thoroughly popular with parents because parents can see better than
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  Speaker 6: anyone else the effects that this is having on their children.
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  Speaker 6: And I think particularly like a parent or parents who've
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  Speaker 6: been through the experience with one kid and they've seen
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  Speaker 6: what having the device has done to them, will with
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  Speaker 6: the second child go actually going to do things a
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  Speaker 6: little differently this time, and they.
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  Speaker 2: In particular will go this is great.
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  Speaker 6: Or a parent that's you know, had the younger kids
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  Speaker 6: using the device. You know, actually, I think I need
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  Speaker 6: to arrest this A little bit is going well, I
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  Speaker 6: can send them off to school and school can say
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  Speaker 6: to them, well you can't use the device, and then
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  Speaker 6: when it comes when they come home, it'll be much
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  Speaker 6: easier to continue that on. You say, well, if the
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  Speaker 6: school says that's the best thing to do, then I
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  Speaker 6: guess it's the best thing to do at home as well.
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  Speaker 6: And we should note that from year seven to year
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  Speaker 6: nine they'll be able to use devices laptops, computers, et
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  Speaker 6: cetera fifty percent of the time. So it's not like
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  Speaker 6: the kids are being deprived of the opportunity to learn
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  Speaker 6: how to use computers, because of course they are important
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  Speaker 6: in the modern world, but it's acknowledging that you actually
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  Speaker 6: go to.
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  Speaker 2: School to learn.
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  Speaker 6: And the problem now, particularly when you talk about AI
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  Speaker 6: and these sorts of things, is that it's almost removing
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  Speaker 6: the imperative to actually learn any knowledge because at the
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  Speaker 6: push of a button, you can have something to regurgitate
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  Speaker 6: any peace of knowledge you could even possibly want. So
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  Speaker 6: there's no need to commit anything to memory. There is,
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  Speaker 6: potentially in the future, no need to actually understand anything
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  Speaker 6: with any depth, because if you need something to be understood,
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  Speaker 6: you'll just get a robot to do it for you.
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  Speaker 6: So the school is simply acknowledging that actually we're here
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  Speaker 6: to expand the minds of children, not just teach them
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  Speaker 6: how to use a thing that does all the thinking
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  Speaker 6: for them.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned there's no need to commit anything to memory.
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  Speaker 3: Just the other day I was filling out a form
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  Speaker 3: and it required my son's phone number and had to
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  Speaker 3: say to him, what's your phone number. I've got no
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  Speaker 3: idea what their phone numbers are. I don't need to
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  Speaker 3: know because it's stored on your device.
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  Speaker 6: Do you remember your first landline number when you were
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  Speaker 6: a kid, your parents' landline number.
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  Speaker 2: Do you still remember it?
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  Speaker 1: Triple O?
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  Speaker 2: That's the one your parents were calling when.
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  Speaker 6: Do you I do yep? In fact, it's I never
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  Speaker 6: call it anymore. My parents still live in the same house,
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  Speaker 6: so it's still actually the same landline number.
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  Speaker 2: I never call it.
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  Speaker 6: They've got mobiles, so if I want to talk to
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  Speaker 6: one of them, I just call them on their But yes,
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  Speaker 6: I can remember the number, even though I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 6: dialed it for fifteen odd years, because as a kid,
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  Speaker 6: you just sort of commit that stuff to memory.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, And that's the thing.
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  Speaker 6: You teach something to someone as a kid and it
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  Speaker 6: might actually stick in their brain.
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  Speaker 3: That's why you can learn to use devices later in
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  Speaker 3: life exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But cognitive development.
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  Speaker 3: As a child, you get one opportunity of that, and
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  Speaker 3: you're robbed of that if it's all devices and you're
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  Speaker 3: not challenged or required to exercise, stretch and use your brain.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, your brain's already been turned to mush
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  Speaker 6: using TikTok at homes. Now it may as well make
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  Speaker 6: some effort. It's cool to get you to use your brain.
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  Speaker 6: And it turns out that the worst people for turning
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  Speaker 6: their brain to mush on the mobile phone is men.
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  Speaker 6: I would have thought it was women, but apparently it
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  Speaker 6: is men, specifically men between the ages of eighteen and forty.
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  Speaker 6: This is a study that's been done by Swinburn University,
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  Speaker 6: and the lead researcher, Sakid Nowaz, who looked at five
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  Speaker 6: hundred and twenty three Victorian adults for this, said that
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  Speaker 6: about their phone habits, they found that under people under
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  Speaker 6: forty were twice as likely to report heavy or even
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  Speaker 6: dependent levels of phone use compared to other adults.
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  Speaker 2: Non parents used phones more than parents.
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  Speaker 6: I suppose that's not a surprise because parents have got
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  Speaker 6: other that they could have been doing.
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  Speaker 1: With their lives.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, they've got the device.
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  Speaker 6: Males were more likely to be using their phones than females,
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  Speaker 6: and students topped every other group. Now you can maybe
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  Speaker 6: make an excuse for students to doing some studying on
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  Speaker 6: the phone.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: It probably indicates that if you're a student, you're more
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  Speaker 6: likely to be on the younger end of the scale,
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  Speaker 6: and that would generally indicate that you're more likely to
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  Speaker 6: be ofay with these kind of handheld devices. I have
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  Speaker 6: to say that I was surprised that young men in
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  Speaker 6: particular are the number one market for and I'm trying
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  Speaker 6: to think why that might be. I mean, look, I
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  Speaker 6: know of a weekend, you know, I'm having a punt
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  Speaker 6: and and I used to punt in cash all the time,
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  Speaker 6: but now I punt on the phone with a beating app.
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  Speaker 6: So maybe that accounts for the reason that young men
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  Speaker 6: are using their phone so much. And you know, sneaking
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  Speaker 6: a go at the races when you're out at lunch
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  Speaker 6: and you're like, I just got to see what's going on.
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  Speaker 6: But I was genuinely surprised that young men at the
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  Speaker 6: top of the list.
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  Speaker 3: On surprise, it was a small sample size. It was
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  Speaker 3: only you got five hundred and twenty three adults. It
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  Speaker 3: included podcasts, So if you consider the popularity of say
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  Speaker 3: a Joe Rogan who has a three hour podcast, and
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  Speaker 3: that's his target audience, right, young men, So that might
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  Speaker 3: account for it, as you mentioned, Blok's always watching sport
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  Speaker 3: on their phones and so that would account for it,
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  Speaker 3: And it didn't differentiate the study between using a device
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  Speaker 3: for work or for pleasure. So with all of those anomalies,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure how much stock you could put in this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there probably is some truth to it
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  Speaker 4: though that men, especially young men, are increasingly socially isolated.
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  Speaker 4: They're not going out and socializing with their friends as much.
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  Speaker 4: They form communities online through places like discord, where you
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  Speaker 4: can chat while playing video games to other people, and
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  Speaker 4: so maybe it is true that young men are gaming more.
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  Speaker 4: I know my brother is on his phone playing games,
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  Speaker 4: sorry Oliver.
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  Speaker 1: All the time.
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  Speaker 4: But it's a guy thing and they form friendships, like
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  Speaker 4: actual friendships with the people they play with. Whereas for girls,
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  Speaker 4: I think if you are on your phone, you're probably
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  Speaker 4: on social media and that makes you feel tired and
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  Speaker 4: depressed after a while, so you want to get off it.
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  Speaker 5: So that's good.
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  Speaker 4: But speaking of technology and the really interesting applications it
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  Speaker 4: has in China, they may have found the next breakthrough
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  Speaker 4: in environmental conservation.
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  Speaker 5: Normally, when you're observing endangered.
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  Speaker 4: Species, if you put a human in there, you disrupt
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  Speaker 4: animal behavior. If you just have a camera in there,
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  Speaker 4: you won't really capture what's going on. So scientists in
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  Speaker 4: China have come up with a really novel solution to
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  Speaker 4: track Tibetan antelopes. They've built one yes, using AI hooked
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  Speaker 4: up to the five G network, they have created a
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  Speaker 4: robotic antelope that can blend in with the herd. Now,
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't look particularly realistic at times, but it might
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  Speaker 4: just be enough to fool the herd and get some
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  Speaker 4: really interesting insights for the scientists.
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  Speaker 6: Well, allegedly it has actually sort of ingratiated itself with
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  Speaker 6: the herds. I'm not sure what that says about the
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  Speaker 6: intelligence of these and antelopes. They can sort of be
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  Speaker 6: infiltrated by a robotic.
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  Speaker 2: Version of themselves. But you know what this is.
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  Speaker 6: I know I'm down on AI all the time, and
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  Speaker 6: I wrote a column last week saying AI is going
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  Speaker 6: to destroy the world and all. Now I do believe that,
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  Speaker 6: But and this is actually one of the good uses
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  Speaker 6: of AI. I'm glad to see that in China, of
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  Speaker 6: all places, they've worked out something that can be done that.
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  Speaker 2: Is good for the world with AI. And it actually
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  Speaker 2: It makes a great.
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  Speaker 6: Deal of sense, because, of course it's difficult if you're
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  Speaker 6: sending people.
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  Speaker 2: In to deal with animals.
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  Speaker 6: You know, animals know that people aren't other animals, so
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  Speaker 6: they behave differently. And if you send it in any other
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  Speaker 6: sort of device that doesn't look like an antelope, of
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  Speaker 6: course they're going to behave differently. So maybe they have
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  Speaker 6: found a way to accurately monitor what goes on in
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  Speaker 6: the animal kingdom.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: I have questions.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, if you're in China and a fluffy
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  Speaker 3: animal sidles up to you, is it safe to share
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  Speaker 3: your views.
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  Speaker 2: About having that have spy antelopes?
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  Speaker 3: Second question, you know the pandas that they gave to
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  Speaker 3: elbodere my God, I'm saying investigated. And third, what happens
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  Speaker 3: during mating season like with this robot.
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  Speaker 6: It'll be painful. As to speak for someone who revised
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  Speaker 6: to Mountets.
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  Speaker 3: I got to say, though, the robotic antelopes produced by
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  Speaker 3: the Chinese scientists are much better than well, remember early
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  Speaker 3: technology as demonstrated by ace Ventura, who was trying to
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  Speaker 3: spy on wildlife.
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  Speaker 7: God on these rhinos, the mother rhino is giving birth.
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  Speaker 1: Money despite all my questions.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a convert to the Chinese technology.
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  Speaker 6: We don't do pantomimes in this country as much as
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  Speaker 6: we should.
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  Speaker 2: They do.
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  Speaker 6: Pandom's a little bit in Adelaide gives you no free
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  Speaker 6: set state and all that sort of stuff. But you know,
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  Speaker 6: you know that the pantomime horse with the two people
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  Speaker 6: inside the horse and it comes out. You know, if
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  Speaker 6: the robotic thing doesn't work out, maybe they can go
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  Speaker 6: back to basics and try that sort of stuff. But
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  Speaker 6: I think it's actually really interesting what this could potentially do,
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  Speaker 6: and if it works with antelopes, how many other animals
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  Speaker 6: can they potentially apply this to, and how many other
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  Speaker 6: circumstances can they potentially apply this to, you know, places
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  Speaker 6: where potentially humans have never really been before because of
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  Speaker 6: the human impact of going into certain bits of land
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  Speaker 6: and whatever. I mean, if you can create a low
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  Speaker 6: impact device that actually looks like an animal that might
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  Speaker 6: be in there, and you're not worried about scaring anything,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, David Attenbury, you're hard out.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, Let's go to the UK where police in Surrey
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  Speaker 3: have decided to crack down on men wolf whistling and
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  Speaker 3: cat calling young women going out for a run. Now,
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  Speaker 3: it's not illegal to cat call a woman, but it
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  Speaker 3: is unsavory and police have decided that these sorts of
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  Speaker 3: things could lead to crimes, so they're going to start
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  Speaker 3: policing non crimes in a bid to stop actual crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what's going on. Have a look.
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  Speaker 8: These women aren't friends out for a run. They're actually
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  Speaker 8: undercover police officers taking to the streets in Surrey as
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  Speaker 8: part of a new operation trying to stop people cat
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  Speaker 8: calling and harassing female runners.
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  Speaker 6: We get polked at the stare in the hanging out
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  Speaker 6: of the window just to look at us, and it
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  Speaker 6: just it's so, so so prevalent.
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  Speaker 8: These teams are ready to intervene the moment the officers
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  Speaker 8: are beaped out, followed or shouted out.
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  Speaker 1: So this is really interesting. Pray.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of women are really happy about this. They
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  Speaker 3: say they're sick of being harassed. They want to be
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  Speaker 3: able to just jog. The way you're looking at me,
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  Speaker 3: I think you're going to disagree. A lot of women
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  Speaker 3: are very supportive of this, Yeah, but a lot of
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  Speaker 3: other people are arguing, come on, there's so much crime
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  Speaker 3: in the UK. Maybe solve some actual crimes rather than
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  Speaker 3: concern yourself with things that aren't offenses and aren't illegal
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  Speaker 3: and unsavory but not illegal.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think?
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: So when these undercover police catch people cat calling at them,
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  Speaker 4: what are they going to do? Go, oh, you naughty person,
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  Speaker 4: stop cat calling me.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that much has turned them on a bit, honest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what they've done. They've gone and explained.
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  Speaker 3: And the other thing is people honking their horns at
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  Speaker 3: these women, and so police have intercepted them and explained
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  Speaker 3: this sort of behavior is not cool.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like anyone who is going out of their
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  Speaker 4: way to cat call a woman probably wouldn't be perturbed
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  Speaker 4: by a policeman giving them a warning not to cat call.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, clearly they don't care about social etiquette anyway.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think this is going to make much of
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  Speaker 5: a difference.
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  Speaker 6: Oh can you imagine all the trading work sites that
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  Speaker 6: they're going to have to go and monitor now. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: you know, once upon a time it was sort of
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  Speaker 6: a mark of all, Wow, you know I've looked good
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  Speaker 6: today they gave me a cat call. Because we've moved
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  Speaker 6: on from those times. But for goodness sake, do we
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  Speaker 6: really need to be putting police resources into it, and
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  Speaker 6: they've actually explained that the coppers over there why they've
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  Speaker 6: done it, And it's not just because you know, it's
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  Speaker 6: an unsavedthing to do. They are convinced that any bloke
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  Speaker 6: who cat calls a woman is a potential criminal who
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  Speaker 6: needs to be intercepted.
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  Speaker 9: Those kind of behaviors may not be criminal offenses in themselves,
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  Speaker 9: but they still need to be addressed. And of course
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  Speaker 9: the people that are likely to commit those kind of behaviors,
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  Speaker 9: you know, they may then go on to commit more
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  Speaker 9: serious offenses or more serious behaviors.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for goodness sake.
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  Speaker 6: You know, the police in the UK are clearly on
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  Speaker 6: the offensive about offense at the moment. Oh, we've got
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  Speaker 6: to make sure women don't get offended by a cat cale,
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  Speaker 6: We've got to make sure the shoplifters don't get offended
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  Speaker 6: by being called scumbags by a guy who's got a
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  Speaker 6: sign in his shop window, for goodness sake. And I
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: also I read today a police chief in the UK
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: saying that people need to take more responsibility for shoplifting,
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: as in, like, if you just see people shoplifting, you
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: should do something about it, don't just call the cops
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: and then you know the cops running aroun You can't
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: call them scumbags though, I mean, what on earth has
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: policing come to.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: But they're also not dealing with the underlying problems. Because
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: if you were genuinely concerned about women's safety, about women
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: being safe from sexual harassment, then why did the police
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: and many counsels not address grooming gangs? Why is the
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: government not addressing the fact that foreigners is seventy one
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: percent more likely to commit sexual crimes. People from Afghanistan
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: are twenty times more likely than native Britons to commit
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: sexual violence, same with people from Eritrea. If you know
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: all these statistics, why aren't you dealing with the underlying
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: drivers of a lot of these crimes, which are illegal
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: migrants coming into the UK. I mean, that would seem
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: like the obvious solution instead of wasting police resources getting
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: to women to jog undercover, maybe just protect your borders.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: It's funny that was a common comment in the newspapers
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: in the UK, where people were suggesting, if police are
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: going to do this, there's some certain suburbs that maybe
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: those women would want to run through where they might
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: really have an effect rather than the green fields of Sorry.
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: Indeed, and it's effectively a form of entrapment, isn't it
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: Like the police are trying to create the problem that
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: they say they want to fix so that they can
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: then call it out.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: It's all a bit on. While we're talking about policing.
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: Of course, we talked last night about the fact that
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: Donald Trump has gone in and taken over the police
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: force in Washington, DC because they have a crime wave
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: there and he's sending in the National Guard to try
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: and clean all of this up. I mean, the unhinging
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: from the left on this has been quite something. Take
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: a look at this commentator on MSNBC saying that he
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: actually has no concern about crime in Washington, DC whatsoever.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: When I got to DC.
• 18:51
  Speaker 10: I'm not afraid of losing my wallet so much as
• 18:53
  Speaker 10: I'm afraid of losing my vote. I'm not afraid of
• 18:56
  Speaker 10: losing my wallet so much as I'm afraid that my
• 18:58
  Speaker 10: children's freedom to breathe will be stolen in a world
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: where climate change policy is non existent.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: He should be afraid of his hairdresser.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: What I know, what on earth is he talking about?
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: As I said, like I said, the murder rate in Washington,
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: DC now is double what it was in twenty twelve.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: The car jacking rate has tripled since twenty eighteen. And
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: he's more worried about climate change than crime. Make you
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: are living on another planet. Funnily enough, though, if you
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: go out and talk to people on the street, they're
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: quite supportive of this.
• 19:33
  Speaker 11: We need all the protection that we can get in
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: the city. Recard, the city is really getting dangerous. A
• 19:39
  Speaker 11: person lating yet this age. It has to make sure
• 19:43
  Speaker 11: that to come home before sundown. We need all the
• 19:46
  Speaker 11: protection that we can get in the city. Recard is
• 19:49
  Speaker 11: city is really there, you go.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: I mean, people on the street say, hallelujah. Someone is
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: coming in finally to clean this joint up. And is
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: it any wonder because today the police chief in Washington, DC,
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: Pamela Smith, was asked a very simple question. Now that
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: Donald Trump has sent in the National Guard and he
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: has taken control of the police force, what is the
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: chain of command?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: We all know what a chain of command.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: Is, don't we? You know, literally the chain of command.
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: Who's at the top, who's number two, who's number.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Three, and so on. Here's the police chief tell us
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: what the share of command is?
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Now what does that mean?
• 20:31
  Speaker 11: What was it Campbinds?
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: What?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: How does his work?
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: So?
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: I mean, is it any wonder that Donald Trump has.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Had to go in and take charge.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: Of Washington, DC when the person in charge of the
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: police force.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Doesn't even know what a chain of command?
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Well, prior to being in charge of the police force,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: she was the chief officer responsible for the implementation of diversity,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: equity and inclusion throughout the DC Police Force, and then
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: she was promoted the police chief. So I don't know
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: that we should be that surprised. She hasn't a clue
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: what she's doing. Now, wonder Donald Trump's had to bring
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: in the National Guard. If the police chief is so clueless,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: then the FEDS have to come and do something. But
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: how removed from reality is the commentator on MSNBC in
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: his Ivory Tower pontificating about the dangers of climate change,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: far removed from the real experience of people living in
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: the streets of the city.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like, if your kids are permanently traumatized
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: because they've been the victim of violent crime, I think
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: that's going to be more inhibiting on their life than
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: potentially climate change. At some point in the future globally worldwide,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: that you can't really do anything about anyway.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: And that's too muggy, You get it too muggy.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Too muggy, exactly. But I mean, seriously, the Democrats in
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: the US really do it to themselves. And this is
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: what conservatives. From a philosophical perspective, DEI does not work.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: It does not create good outcomes because you're prioritizing factors
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: of identity over merit and over time. If you run
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: police departments, fire departments like in LA on these principles
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: that it is your identity, your gender, your race, your
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: sexuality that matters more than your ability to perform a job.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Eventually these departments will cease to function properly, they will fail.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: And that is exactly what's happening in Washington, DC in
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: real time. We're watching the left's agenda, an idea of
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: how to run the world collapse because it doesn't work.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Absolutely well, speaking of things that don't work, our federal
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: government is giving it a pretty good shot of making
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: a mess of everything, not least foreign policy. Anthony Albanesi,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: of course, announced at the start of the week that
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: his government would recognize a state of Palestine in September,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: and he assured everybody not that long ago so that
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: this is the last thing Hamas would want is for
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: the Australian government to recognize Palestine.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Here's the Prime Minister and Harmas.
• 23:08
  Speaker 13: I've seen some of the comments that have been made
• 23:11
  Speaker 13: about Hamas somehow being rewarded. Hamas is opposed to two states.
• 23:16
  Speaker 13: This is the opposite of what her Maas wants. Har
• 23:18
  Speaker 13: Maas will be totally opposed to this decision. Hamas do
• 23:22
  Speaker 13: not want this. Her Maas don't want two states.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Well, it turns out the opposite of what Hamas wants
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: is really exactly what Hamas wants. Hamas released a statement
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: today to the Sydney Morning Herald, where Sheikh Hassan Yusuf,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: the co founder of Hamas, said, and I quote, we
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: welcome Australia's decision to recognize the state of Palestine and
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: consider it an important step towards achieving justice. I mentionine Hamas,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: who slaughter and rape women, behead and burn babies, take
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: hostages talking about justice an important step towards achieving justice
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: for our people and securing their legitimate right. This position
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: reflects This is Anthony Albanese's political position reflects political courage
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: and a commitment to the values of justice and the
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: rights of peoples to self determination. We now have a
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: prime Minister Caleb who's being praised by the co founders
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: of HAMAS and Xijingping, leader of the Chinese Communist Party,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: whilst our allies in Israel and in the United States
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: wondering what on earth is happening down under?
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: How have we come to this point?
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Honestly, either he had no idea this was going to happen,
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: in which case he's more of a dunce than anyone
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: could have imagined, or he knew it was going to happen,
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: and he's lied about the fact and kept saying it's
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: not what they want, and he is now ignoring the
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: fact that it's happened. I mean, if you're on the
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: same side as a listed terrorist organization, I'm going to
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: say there's a fair chance your foreign policy is wrong.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: If you make a decision and Hamas comes out and
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: says you've shown political courage, you may want to rethink
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: the position you are coming from. And anyone with a
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: brain could have seen this, because you've put the cart
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: before the horse and given them the reward before they've
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: done anything to deserve it. If the idea is to
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: disarm HAMAS and remove Hamas from Palestine, how does saying
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: we support Palestinian statehood while that organization is still in
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: charge do anything to achieve that goal. I mean throwing
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: your support behind the Palestinian authority. Really, that doesn't make
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: one difference at all. And it is abundantly clear this
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: is what Hamas, this is why they set out to
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: do October seven, because they've wanted to guilt people into
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: getting to this point, right, and we've reached the point
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: now where the guilt has become so significant that you
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: have some Western leaders who can't see the wood for
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: the trees and are giving in to it.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And it's just unbelievable.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: His naivete Freyer to say, well, Palestine don't want a
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: two state solution, they want a one state solution, and
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: on that he's right, But.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: How will they get to one state?
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Well, first they have two states, which gives them a
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: better platform from which to launch their final assault on Israel.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Blind Freddie can see this coming. Yeah, Unfortunately our Prime
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: minister is not blind, Freddi.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I really highly doubt that he had no
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: idea this would happen, because we covered this on the
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Late Debate was it last week the leader of HAMAS
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: was saying that their attacks on October seven, they've been
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: vindicated in their attacks because before October seven, no one
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: was talking about Palestinian statehood and that's the fact. Was
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Labor saying they were going to imminently recognize Palestine in
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: their second term. No, did they say they would recognize
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Palestine at all. No, it was always we believe in
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: a two state solution at some point in the future,
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: which was code for what everyone knows, which is that
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: this is never going to happen.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: So the fact that they have actually now done this,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, he.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Would seriously have to be the most moronic Prime Minister
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Australia has ever had if he did not see this coming.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Hamas will take any win it can get against Israel,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: and this does prove for them and to their supporters
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: that they were right to launch their attacks on Octurps.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Now, the other thing that the co founder of HAMAS
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: said was that Australia should be an example to other
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: nations to follow suit, which reminds me of Jijingping who
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: also said that Australia was a great example of how
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: people could both balance their relationship with the United States
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: and with China. So again you've got a terrorist organization
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: and the Chinese Communist Party not only praising the Australian
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: government but holding the Australian government up as an example
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: of how they would prefer all nations to behave.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: And what's so frustrating is lefties and labor has done
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: this as well. Is they go, oh, but you know,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: we have to do something because so many people are dying.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: So many people have been killed in Gaza.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Yes that is true, but so many people are being
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: killed around the world and you don't care. Christians in
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Nigeria are one such people group. There was a report
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: that came out today that found that thirty two Christians
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: in Nigeria are killed every single day. Seven thousand, eight
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: hundred have been abducted since two thousand and nine, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty five thousand Nigerians have been killed,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty five thousand Christians and sixty thousand
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: liberal Muslims.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: There are twenty two jihadist groups. I didn't realize this.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: I thought there were Boko Haram, I thought there were
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: a few Islamic.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Extremist groups operating in Nigeria.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: But twenty two and they are systematically going around terrorizing Christians.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: It's been called a silent genocide because nobody cares. And
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: if there are no Jews, then there's no news. And
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: that's just the reality of how and media often operates.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: And so because it's black on black violence, because it's
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: black terrorists killing Black Christians, the media is completely silent
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: about this. And it's not just happening in Nigeria, in Mozambique,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: in the Congo, in Tanzania, lots of countries in Africa.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: You have radical jihadist groups that are killing and persecuting Christians.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: So Albinisi, if you really cared about innocent human life,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: you would be taking a strong stance against radical Islamic jihadism.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: And that is the common thread that links Hamas, that
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: links the groups terrorizing the Christians. People think, oh, well,
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: you know this is just Hammas. It's only going to
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: affect Israel. No radical Islam will affect all of us.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: It already is. So it's time we actually stand up
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: for Christians around the world as well.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: The problem with what's happening in Africa. I think Freya
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: is that the perpetrators are followers of Islam and the
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: victims are Christians, and that upsets the whole leftist narrative
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: of the oppressed and the oppressor, because according to that narrative,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Christians are the oppressors and Muslims typically are the oppressed.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: But of course in Africa those roles are reversed, and
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: so the left don't want to know anything about it
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: because it goes against the narrative. The other thing is
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: that defending Christians for the secular left would risk endorsing
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: views that they believe are antiquated and are oppressive sanctity
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: of life, chastity, things like hierarchical social norms, and so
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: they don't want to give moral credibility to ideas that
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: they are repulsed by.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: And therefore the.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: Only hypocrisy in that is that you can't then endorse
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: radical Islam, because it is like.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: You know, if you want to talk about being backwards,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: that's about as backwards as you can get. But of
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: course the issue they do.
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: But of course, and the issue has always been that
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: they are willing to do that because they think it
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: will help in their ultimate goal, which is the destruction
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: of the West, or to pull apart the cultural touchstone.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Right, enemy of my enemy is my friend, correct. Correct.
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: And that's why things like this don't rate as a
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: worldwide media issue because fundamentally, what people are looking for
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: to drive these issues as a global agenda is something
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: that can be linked to the West so that you
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: can then somehow point it back to the West and say,
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: are you naughty?
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: West?
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: So when you've got black people killing each other in Africa,
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: it doesn't really serve their ends. I mean, you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: they're not actually concerned about the slaughter.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying all.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: People have raised an issue about Palestine are not concerned
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: about slaughter of innocent life. But I'm saying a lot
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: of people who use these conflicts and these issues do
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: so to push an anti Western barrow, and so they're
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: not interested in what's going on in Africa. I mean,
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: even arguably, you want to talk about wars that we
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: have an interest in the West has an interest in
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: Russia and Ukraine. I mean that the resources and money
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: that the Western world has spent on the defense of Ukraine,
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: and does anyone talk anymore about the fact that a
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: million odd people have been slaughtered in that war. I mean,
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: you know, it's just certain conflicts and certain issues seem
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: to come to the four sometimes and we just forget
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: about the rest of it. People are being killed, genocided
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: every day across the world and it never rates. And
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: while we're talking about attacks on Christianity, some numbers out
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: of the US recently a group that keeps an eye
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: on attacks on churches, and of course we've heard in
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: this country about attacks on synagogues, but in the US,
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: this mob hostility against churches is the report that they
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: have put out has found there have been in one
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: year alone in twenty twenty four, two hundred and eighty
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: four cases of vandalism against churches, fifty five cases of arson,
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: twenty eight gun related incidents, fourteen bomb threats, and forty
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: seven assault threats or disruptions. And again, you know, you
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: don't generally think of Christianity as a religion in the
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: US in particular that would be coming under attack in
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: this form. And this is a significant increase on a
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: couple of years ago, you.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Know, double what it was in twenty twenty two or some.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: Such, so that the numbers are going up but again,
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: no one talks about it because it's not fashionable to
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: talk about a taxing in Christianity. And if you want
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: to talk about Islamophobia, and a lot of people want
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: to talk about Islamophobia and how terrible that is. Whatever
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: is Lamophobia actually is, I don't believe it's a real thing.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But that's another matter. You should equally care about this
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: You can't just pick and choose the religions you're getting
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: upset about being attacked.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: The Trump administration in February put out a paper titled
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Eradicating Anti Christian Bias because they were concerned that under
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: the Biden administration, a couple of dozen Christians, some in
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: their eighties, had been arrested for the crime of praying
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: outside abortion clinics. Do you remember the FBI started referring
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: to Catholic people as radical traditionalists and they are van
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: agents in Catholic services to hear anything that might be alarming.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: And then, of course, the Biden administration started stripping protections
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: from Christian individuals and organizations in particular who didn't align
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: themselves with particular LGBTQ kind of policies. So there's been
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: a growing resentment towards Christianity in the United States. The
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Trump administration would argue that's been led by the Biden
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: administration and now the White House starting to push back.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: But these are alarming figures. Of course, you compare it
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: with what's happened in Nigeria, where people are being shot
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: to death machete attacks. And so I wonder if sometimes
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Christians in America almost feel like it's not worth complaining
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: because compared to other nations, America is a wonderful place
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: to be a Christian, and yet we should ignore the
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: growing antipathy towards the Christian faith.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: And the question is as well as how are society's
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: institutions responding to these attacks? Are the police taking them seriously?
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: They actually being investigated. And the reality is that left
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: wing authoritarian governments, what is the first thing they always
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: try to shut down religion the church because that forms opposition.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: To the state.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: And so you actually need a strong functioning church to
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: act as a ballwalk against state overreach. But that is
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: why as well, Christians in the church can be so
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: threatening to radical leftists who want to gain power in society.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned taking a stand against overreach. I wish
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: someone would take a stand against the overreach of local councils.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: We talk about it almost every night. And another classic
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: example this evening from the Paramatta Council here in Sydney,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: who are looking at prohibiting new units outside the CBD
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: from having gas because this, caleb, don't shake your head,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: don't roll your ryse, this is going to save the planet.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if new units like the.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Heat on the CBD outside the CBD don't have gas,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: then that's going to help climate change. Now, of course
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: they're not sure they want to do this, so they're
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: proposing to spend up to forty thousand dollars in a
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: public consultation to work out whether people would be okay
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: about it, ignoring the fact that Daily Telegraph recently ran
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: a poll showing the overwhelming number of people are opposed
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: to local councils getting involved in their kitchen appliances.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: Why is it units Because fundamentally, units doesn't apply to houses.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: You can build a brand new house, full size house,
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: and you can have the gas in it, but units can't.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: And if you're going to live in a unit, you're
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: probably more likely to be a pensioner or a low
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: income earner.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Or something like that.
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: Why is it that they have to bear the brunt
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: of doing the hard yards and the heavy lifting to
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: solve climber change. If you've got the money in the
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: bank to go and buy yourself a full size house,
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: well you can use a walk on the gas stove.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: But the poor little pensioner who can't afford anything more
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: than to rent a unit, no, no, no, no gas
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: for you.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Is one of the councils actually pointed out, how is
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: this going to work in the diverse community of Paramatta
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: where a lot of multicultural cooking Asian cooking, for example,
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: you need extremely high heated My little induction electric stove
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: does not do the trick.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to go to a break.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: including the hilarious reason some people on the Gold Coast
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: want to change the name of their suburb and five
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: year olds being told they could change gender.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: All of that and more in just a moment. Welcome
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: back to the program.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what's making headlines excuse me tomorrow.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: As you imagine, many of the newspapers are reporting Hamasa's
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: comments regarding our government's plan to recognize the state of Palestine.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I'll run you through some of the better headlines the
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Herald's Sun have got on their front page. Terrorists chier
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: PM's courage. Elbow praised for recognizing Palestine. Hero of Harmas
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: is the headline on the Herald's Sun. If we go
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: to Adelaide, the Advertiser reports, terrorist group rejoices over Elbow
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: recognizing Palestine. Hamas's captain courageous they have gone with and
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: the Daily Telegraph has said Hamas hailes PM's courage in
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: recognizing Palestinian statehood.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Praise be to Elbow.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure the Prime Minister will enjoy those headlines
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: when he wakes up tomorrow, or maybe he will.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Well may be that sort of sadistic kind of blow.
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: Speaking of sadistic, let's go to the front of The
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: Australian to borrow it says five year olds taught their
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: body parts may not match their gender Goodness Exclusive from
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: Rachel Baxendale. Victoria's curriculum has been updated to teach children
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: as young as five that their body parts may not
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: match their agenda and the biologically male students who identify
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: as female are entitled to play sport on girls teams.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: Concern over the Respectful Relationships curriculum, which was quietly amended
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: in August last year, comes as parents and psychiatrists one
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: of the school to clinic pipeline for children struggling with
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: adolescents who are persuaded that they were born in the
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: wrong body and push towards irreversible and often harmful medical treatment.
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: It goes on to say, there are examples used of
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: some kid called Stacy who's actually biologically a boy, and
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: someone in the classes you shouldn't be playing on the
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: girls team, and then Stacy says, go and ask the teacher,
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: I'm allowed to be on the girl's team. And then
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: it also talks specifically about this idea of having body
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: parts that don't meet your body. So some people feel
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: they did not get a good match for their body
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: parts and they do not want to be called a
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: boy or a girl, but rather something that is right
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: for them. Keep in mind, we're talking about like five
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: six year.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Old kids here, right.
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: They don't need these concepts introduced to them. You're talking
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: about things that they find it terribly difficult to understand.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: And we must remember that there are two distinct types
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: of children who present as transgender. Those who it is
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: obvious from a very young age that they're experiencing some
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: sort of dysmorphia, and there are those who.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Around puberty start feeling.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: Like they have some sort of body dysmorphia gender dysmorphia,
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: which is usually a reaction to other comorbidities in terms
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: of mental health and issues that they're having in their life.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: And so to introduce these concepts really early, it's just
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: planting that little seed that maybe.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: When they are going through puberty.
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: And they're struggling to get around what's going on with
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: their bodies and they're going through other things, they oh,
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: I remember, I was told when I was five years
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: old that maybe my body parts don't feel like the
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: ones I was meant to have, And that's how you
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: end up with all this scarbage.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: What I found interesting about this story is that the
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: genesis of this curriculum goes back to twenty sixteen when
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Victoria had a raw Commission into family violence and they said, well,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: we need a respectful relationships course that is going to
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: teach gender equality and respectful relationships because there's so much
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: fann violence and somehow over the years that's morphed into
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: the promotion of transgender ideology, which is why you're always
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: suspicious when different groups want to get into classrooms for
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: the purest of intentions. But if you don't watch it
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: like a hawk, people with different agendas start to gradually,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: bit by bit turn it into something entirely different to
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: what it was sold to mums and dads as And it's.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: So out of step with the direction the rest of
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: the world is going. In the UK had the cast review,
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: they found there was remarkably weak evidence for gender affirming
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: care to be the appropriate model to deal with kids
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: who identify as transgender. Many other countries have stopped using
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: puby blockers and hormones on kids. So the fact that
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Australia is still hurdling itself in this direction of further
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: confusion and potentially lifelong damage to children while the rest
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: of the world is going, hang on a second, there's
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: something seriously wrong. I mean, we need to step up
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: before more lives are just ridiculous.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: The story on the front of the Odds tomorrow Joyce's
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: pitch to save aviation social license, not Barnaby Joyce. You'll
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: remember this fella Quantus's controversial former chief executive, Allan Joyce,
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: will stun the aviation industry sorry with a warning that
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: it risks becoming a national pariah unless it agrees to
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: a climate pact where it's trust, regulatory standing and social
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: license are at stake. Mister Joyce returns to the public
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: iron Citney on Thursday to champion sustainable fuels and training
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: the workforce of tomorrow. He will not reflect on his
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: tumultuous final months with Quantus and his reputational crisis over
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: the ruthless pursuit of profits. Under his leadership as the
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: keynote speaker at the Australian Aviation Subbit, He's found the
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: way to rehabilitate himself.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Climate change.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: Ah, what people want a cheap flights.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: They do not want corporates doubling down on ESG.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: In fact, that is the last thing they want. Just
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: get us a to be on time and for his
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: little as possible, please and thank you.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Quantus will become a national pride if they keep losing
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: your bags, not if they keep using as avgas.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Exactly very quickly.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: Another story in the front of the odds loarned from
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: Victoria Labor told Anthony Albanezi is being urged to consider
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: replicating Victorian Labour's health and social justice policies on a
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: national scale, and at the cost of billions of taxpayer dollars,
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: as the Productivity Commission argues that gains in the care
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: sector cannot be measured in the same way as.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: The rest of the economy.
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: Yes, let's go down the same road as Victoria.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: That'll fix us up, won't.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Oh my goodness.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: In the Northern Territory News tomorrow, the headline is battle
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: lines drawn. Five council elections will not go ahead as
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: planned this month due to insufficient members of territory and
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: stepping up as candidates.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: So, in other words, in five.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Local councils, they have not received enough nominations to actually
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: be candidates to run for counsels, so they're simply not
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: going to have elections. I mean, if that doesn't tell
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: you something about how inconsequential local councils actually are so
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: the governing of most of our lives, I mean, wow.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: But also what it's fantastic.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: I did a story years ago at the Ties where
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: I went through every vote count at the council elections
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: and worked out the person who got elected on the
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: fewest votes, now discounting people who were elected by default
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: because there were no other candidates. I found the bloke
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: who was elected to some little rural council on six votes,
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: and I called him up and said, how do you
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: feel about being the councilor elected on the fewest votes.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: In the state.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: And he said something along the lines of I don't care.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I got elected.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Comes with a wage. You're you've got an office, You're happy.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the front page of the Gold Coast
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: bulletin suburb name stoush erupts. Okay, you've got my interest.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: A Labrador resident is pushing ahead with a campaign to
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: shake off the suburb's Stabrador reputation by changing its name
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: aim to Broadwater, despite a backlash from opponents. Labrador is
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: a beautiful suburb on the Gold Coast, very close to
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: the water, but it's got a reputation for crime, and
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: so others on.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: The Gold Coast referred to it.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Mockingly as Stabridor, and so there's a theory that it's
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: affecting property values and they want to change the name.
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I mean, you change the name and they're
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: going to come up with a new nickname the next day,
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: Aren't they like it'll be stab Water or some business
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: border you know, honestly, I understand they do this stuff
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: all the time. There was a suburb in Adelaide that
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: was changed to Davren Park because they were so concerned
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: about its connection to the rest of the suburb the name.
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: It was one of the Elizabeth suburbs, so they changed
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: the name to Davren Park.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: And do you reckon it made any difference.
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: No, it has historically had the lowest median house price
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: in Adelaide. All they did was just make it more
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: obvious that they.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Were a different suburbs.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I just love There's a suburb in Adelaide called Paradise.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, can you get a better name from it?
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: I know?
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: And you can get off the bus at Paradise too.
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: Who would have thought you could get the bus to Paradise.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Would go to a break when we come back?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Would you pay fifty five bucks for a Hamburger? Apparently
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: at the Brisbane Exhibition some people are plus Tony Abbott
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: finds a new role as a parking attendant, will show
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: you that in just a moment.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program. Well, Frayer.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: What do prime ministers do when they're no longer in office?
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: I've always wondered.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: Well, look, Tony Abbott is one of my favorite former
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: prime ministers of recent times, and he truly is a
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: man of the people. At the underground car park at
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: the Royal Theater in the Sydney CBD, the boomgate had
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: stopped working.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: Cars were backing up, and this.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister, a man of the people, a man of service,
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: leapt into action, holding up the boomgate himself as he
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: ushered cars through the underground carfer good on him.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: I love Tony Abbott.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I like the fact he's still got his blue tie on,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: just as I remember him as Prime Minister. Although, of
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: course Caleb, if at the ALBANIZI was holding the boomgate open,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: you'd have to stop and pay a significant toll.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Debts what you're allowed through.
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, you remember Scott Morrison says I don't hold
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: a hose mate. Well, Tony Abbitt says, I hold a boomgate,
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: and that's exactly what we expected the man, of course,
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: you know his service in the IRA Office over all
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: these years, there's never a job that Tony Abbott has
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: not seen that he hasn't thought I could do something
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: about this, and that's why I think he's the greatest
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: Prime Minister who lasted the shortest amount of time in
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: this country.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, let's go over to.
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: The United Kingdom, where they're dealing with a problem of
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: their own. It's a little more calamitous than a boomgate
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: not operating in a car park. It's the fact that
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: people keep flashing wet wipes down the loo and they're
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: turning up in the River Thames.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Take a look at this.
• 47:47
  Speaker 12: So they're wreaking up all the wet whites. They're shaking
• 47:51
  Speaker 12: them and so all the animals and the floor and
• 47:53
  Speaker 12: the fauna can drop out and then the wet wipes.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty tons of wet.
• 47:58
  Speaker 12: Whites will be taken on and disposed of safely in landfill.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: This is going to take a month. It's going to.
• 48:06
  Speaker 12: Cost two hundred pounds funded by the Port of London Authority.
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: That's fifteen double decker buses worth of wet wipes that
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: they have to dig out of the water there that
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: of course have been covered in human excrements. So you
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: can imagine what a wonderful job that will be to do.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: They're saying they need to like ban ones with plastic
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: in them and stuff.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: But apparently it's so bad.
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: They've collected up so much in certain parts that it's
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: actually changed the direction the river flows.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Wow, all right, let's go.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: To Brisbane, where, of course the Ecka is currently underway.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Forty dollars to get in so you can buy a
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: fifty five dollar burger. This burger comes with double the meat,
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: double the cheese, double the bacon.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: And it's encased in an entire loaf of bread.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Career mal journalist Isabel Peach took one for the team
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: and had to go at eating it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: This is so much background, starting to contemplate my lafe decisions.
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: Made it halfway at least what I count is halfway.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: This is this is halfway for me. I'm done. I'm done.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: The burger is advertised as coming with chips. It should
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: come with a defibrillator.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: I mean that is enough to feed, honestly a family
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: of six at that point, A full loaf of bread
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: encasing this me fifty.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Five bucks is good value for a family of six?
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Are extra?
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's it from us.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Good Night's stick around his Rita Pantahe show hosted by
• 49:35
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