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Iran’s past behavior is the strongest predictor of future behavior · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  We are faith and fury.
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  Love and fire.
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  This is the human equation where every voice counts and every truth cuts deep.
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  With your host, Joseph Pangaro.
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  Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the human equation.
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  I'm your host, Joe Pangaro.
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  So tonight, let's see, let's talk about uh Friday Roundup.
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  Many of the things that I didn't get to during the week.
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  Things that have updated that I want to talk about.
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  So one of the things that we're looking at is the Artemis II rocket coming home.
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  An amazing adventure for our astronauts.
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  Very, very dangerous.
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  It's amazing.
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  You know, they went farther out in space than any human ever has been.
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  And then to survive in that capsule, survive the takeoff, first of all.
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  Then to survive the trip to the moon and then survive the trip home is an amazing thing.
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  They are amazing people.
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  And I guess we'll find out shortly that they made it home safely.
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  Right?
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  Splashdown time.
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  Alright, so I got a lot of emails yesterday after talking about the well, it's really funny.
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  I talked about Manifest Destiny and I compared Donald Trump's brashness and his outspokenness to America as a nation in our birth.
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  And how, as the Americans, you know, grew and America grew and it was brash and outrageous and all those kind of things, so is Trump.
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  And I kind of connected the fact that that's why he's popular.
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  We don't always like what he says the way he says it, but he gets things done.
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  Well, I I thought I would get a lot of emails about that.
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  And I did get some.
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  Some people who kind of see the connection and they thought it was a good point.
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  And then I got some I gotta say, I gotta say, crazy people.
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  I do have some crazy people who write to me regularly who are really, really unhinged.
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  And it's very unfortunate that they're they're so unhinged because they really can't get their act together.
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  Um they start cursing and spitting and calling me names, and I don't know.
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  If you listen to the programs, you you realize I don't really uh I don't attack anyone.
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  I make my point of view.
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  But anyway, I thought I would get a lot of comments about that, where people would see it or didn't see it or whatever.
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  But really, I got a lot of comments about my my conversation about JD Vance and Rubio moving forward as presidential nominees, and who would be on what part of the ticket?
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  And some people are saying, well, JD Vance doesn't have the experience, it should be Rubio, but you know, just like I posited, you know, Vance was he supposed to do, go off into the sunset for eight years and then try and make a comeback.
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  I don't know if that'll work.
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  But I thought that was um interesting, that I got more comments on that than I did on uh the other part of the program.
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  So I want to move ahead now.
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  I wanted to talk about Iran real quick.
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  I I I threw a couple of comments in at the end of the program yesterday, but today I want to look at and see, you know, the the acting Ayatollah or whoever he is, you know, the guy that we don't see, who's probably not alive.
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  Um, and these other people are just using his name to make we haven't seen him, you know, giving speeches, we haven't seen him do anything.
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  We just hear his name that he's the Ayatollah, and he says this.
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  And he came out and basically, or who's whoever's speaking for him came out and made a statement that said, We will seek revenge on the United States, and uh we will all be sorry for this that this is not the words of someone who is leading a government who's been basically wiped out.
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  Uh and okay, should they do have they do have some capability?
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  They have their hands on some weapons that they can still launch because the weapons are hidden in various parts of the country.
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  They pull them out and they launch a rocket, very deadly, can kill people.
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  But these are these are not acting like people who are grateful that there's a ceasefire, like every other time that we have seen these uh these terrorist groups that are backed by Iran, Hamas or uh Hezbollah, we see when there is a ceasefire, and the the good guy side, the Israelis, the Americans, try to work with them to come up with a legitimate solution to the problem.
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  Okay, we have a ceasefire now, let's work out the problem, find a peace.
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  They don't use that as a time to find the peace.
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  What they do is they use that as a time to rebuild their weapons, to rebuild their positions, to resupply their terrorists, so that they can go back to doing terrorism.
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  Now, their mission is a uh a mission of death, it's a death cult, Islamic uh radicals like they are.
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  They're there to build a new caliphate, which they hope will rule the world, and they these uh fanatics in Iran think they're the ones who are going to lead it.
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  Now, if we look around the world, if you would have said five years ago that the possibility of this caliphate developing was really very small.
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  It's something in their wishes, in their minds that they want to put together.
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  But in that five years' time, since we have seen this mass migration across the world, unfettered migration of people from these countries that are filled with radical Muslims, not just regular Muslim people who want to pray to their God, but these radical terrorist type Muslims uh who are pouring all into Europe from everywhere, they now pretty much control um London, they control parts of Spain, they control this is the 10th crusade, okay.
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  So if you go back into some previous shows that I did uh a long time ago under the banner of chasing justice, what I looked at was um the 10th crusade.
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  So if you look historically, there's been you know, people will say there's eight, then there's been nine.
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  I saw that there were eight or nine crusades over the course of hundreds of years, which was basically um the Muslim practitioners trying to move out of their area of the world and create a new caliphate, and they tried to move into Europe, they took the holy lands, the holy lands are you know, the the Christians fought back and took the holy lands, and the Muslims won the holy land, and it went back and forth.
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  Well, this I think clearly in historical's perspective when we look back, the flooding into Europe.
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  They are conquering Europe, one city at a time by sheer numbers that are showing up.
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  And what are they saying?
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  Oh, we're here to be English, we want to be part of the United Kingdom, we want to blend in and be a part of this great culture.
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  No, that's not what they're saying.
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  They're they're taking over entire areas saying this is a no-go zone.
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  This is a sharia law area, and by the way, uh, we're gonna take over your country.
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  And they're doing that in France, they're doing it all over the place.
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  And you're starting to see some European countries realize, uh-oh, this is a problem, that the I the concept of radical Islam is not compatible with the West.
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  We don't see the world the same way, we don't see uh our relationships with each other the same way, we don't have the same religious background, uh, we don't have the same ideas of how the world should be and who should be in charge of it, and you're starting to see some of these European nations start to realize that hey, they are losing their country and their culture, and they they didn't have to fire a shot.
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  So in this crusade, they are simply walking in the door and they're setting up shop and taking over uh one city at a time across these nations.
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  And what this is telling you, what this is saying to you, this is a direct result of liberal socialists who have this crazy woke mindset that they allow this to happen.
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  And I I I've heard it said that this is the uh a connection of the red greens.
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  So the red being the radical Muslims and the greens being the socialists, the woke people, uh, going, oh, this is great, we're gonna bring them in and we're gonna be more multicultural, it's gonna be wonderful.
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  And they are being used as uh helpful, useful idiots, as they're often known.
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  So we know that the Marxists and socialists often saw people who uh on the left, uh progressive people, they saw them as useful idiots because they could easily manipulate them.
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  I told you yesterday about a Muslim cleric that I saw, a radical Muslim cleric was giving an interview, and the interviewer asked him, you know, who would you prefer, a conservative candidate to win the presidency or a liberal candidate?
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  And they said, anywhere in the world, we prefer the liberal progressive socialists to win because they are easily manipulated and we can have our way uh when they're in power.
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  So if that doesn't tell you something, right from the horse's mouth, so to speak, that this is what's going on.
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  And when we look at Iran, and they are now saying that part of the ceasefire requires Israel to stop attacking Lebanon, where Hezbollah is, a terrorist organization that kills civilians.
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  Now, why would Iran care what happens to Hezbollah?
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  Except for the fact that Hezbollah is an extension of Iran.
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  It's a proxy.
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  It does Iran's bidding.
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  It is part of the Iranian terror network, just like Hamas is.
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  It's very, very clear.
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  Otherwise, why would they care?
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  They are being destroyed in Iran, and they, if they want to make a peace deal, if they want to get out with their lives, then you think they would say, okay, well, all right, but they're not.
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  You see, they're telling us very clearly, they're still shooting rockets whenever they can.
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  They're still threatening the uh the Straits of Hormuz.
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  They're still saying they're going to get revenge on the United States and Israel.
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  That is not someone who wants peace, right?
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  That is not someone who wants peace.
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  That is a group of radical fanatics that will hurt as many people as they can in the West, especially the United States and Israel.
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  And if anyone out there does not see that reality, and the fact that they're trying to protect a terrorist proxy like uh Hezbollah, why would they care?
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  Because they don't they don't plan on going anywhere.
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  They plan on regrouping, re uh reforming themselves, uh getting a nuclear weapon from somewhere, and then using it to obtain the power that they want.
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  So I don't think there's any question, if you are a clear thinking individual, that even if you cannot see the entire danger of what radical Islam is bringing to the world and the 10th uh crusade that is starting to develop, even if you can't see it, you need to at least ask yourself, is it possible that that is happening?
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  See if you lock your mind to it and say no, no, it's absolutely not happening.
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  It's just it's just the right, it's just Trump, it's just Trump, it's it's it's the these evil Trumpers, they they just want to you know say bad things about Iran, that's that's that's a bigger problem, you know, and that's a bigger problem.
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  That's why I say when I hear about something, and I hear about a problem that's brought up by our friends on the left.
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  This is a problem, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  I say, okay, let me take a look at it.
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  Is it actually a problem?
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  Is there any truth to what they're saying?
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  And if there is, then I try and examine, okay, why why that's a truth that they're bringing up, but does it really affect people and and our country or whatever the way they say it does?
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  So here's a good example.
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  Right now we have Hakeem Jeffries, the minority leader of uh of the House of Representatives, him and quite a few of the Democrat leadership are coming out, and they uh they're very good at circling the wagons and and talking and walking in lockstep.
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  They have a uh a document that goes out in the morning, and this is our talking points, and this is what we're gonna say.
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  And that's why you hear the same phrases used over and over.
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  So now it is the war is gone bad.
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  Trump has failed.
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  Hegzeth is an incompetent fool that can't do anything.
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  Nothing is going right in this Iranian uh conflict in this war.
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  Uh Trump Trump should be impeached.
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  25th Amendment should be used.
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  He's crazy, none of this is working.
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  We're not safer today.
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  And you say, okay, um, that's that's a point of view that you can have that now.
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  So let's look at the facts.
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  Let's look at the facts.
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  Did we take out almost every piece of the Iranian Navy?
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  Yes, we did.
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  Do we have air superiority, supremacy over Iran?
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  Can they fly any jets against our our our jets?
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  No, they can't.
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  Have we taken out their leadership?
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  Two or three levels of their entire leadership we have wiped out.
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  Um can they can they attack?
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  All they can do is shoot these drones that they have hidden and shoot these rockets that they have hidden.
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  Uh that's all they have left.
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  All right.
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  Now they can threaten their population because they can move out and they can gun down people in the street.
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  But the reality is they they are not winning.
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  It is not going bad for the Americans.
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  Now they start screaming and hollering, 13 servicemen were killed, 13 servicemen.
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  And that is a horrific tragedy that we have lost 13 United States military members.
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  Each one of them is an absolute hero.
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  Each one of their families are our hero families.
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  Uh the reality is that what makes them a hero is that they stood up at a time that their country needed them and they responded to the call.
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  And unfortunately, they gave their lives at the altar of freedom.
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  Now, this is something that happens with military.
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  That's why we have to be very careful when we use the military.
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  And if we decide we're going to use the military, we can't go in half-hearted and then get nervous and get squeamish and back out.
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  Which is what happens in our country a lot of times.
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  Uh, and then that makes their their deaths even more tragic when we back away from the ultimate goal.
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  So, what do we do with Iran?
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  Can we trust them?
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  We cannot trust them.
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  They are not acting like people who want to make a peace.
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  They're acting like people that are um buying time, buying time to get resupplied from whatever trans uh whatever uh clandestine ways they can from Russia or from China or from their other allies in the terror world.
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  How do they rebuild?
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  What can they do so that they can fight back?
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  They're not they're not saying, okay, we've been pummeled, we lost our leadership, we lost our Navy, we lost our Air Force.
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  Uh America can basically send us back to the Stone Age if they choose to do it.
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  How do we get out of here alive and what do we do going forward so that we can save our nation?
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  They are not saying any of that.
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  So therefore they are telling us, once again, when someone tells you who they are and what they want to do, you must listen to them.
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  So the the government of Iran is telling us we're gonna get revenge on you.
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  We're not we're not gonna unblock the the Gulf, we're gonna be we're gonna even control it even more.
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  The not the Gulf, the uh the Straits of, we're gonna control it even more.
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  We are gonna get back at you, right?
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  We can destroy you, we're gonna do horrible things.
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  These are not people looking for peace.
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  And again, if you can't see that, and if you cannot connect the dots to realize that if they did have a powerful weapon, which they know we now know that their rockets that they told us could not reach as far as London and Paris and many other European cities, we now know they absolutely can reach those places.
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  And if you haven't seen that they are attacking their neighbors, they are attacking civilians, they are attacking anyone that they possibly can to lash out that if you didn't, if you don't realize if they had a nuclear weapon, they would absolutely use it.
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  And I say absolutely, not because I know a thousand percent.
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  I say absolutely because when you're talking about that kind of an attack, you have got to speak in absolutes.
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  Do we take a chance that they don't use it once they have it?
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  What have they shown us?
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  What have they told us?
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  They're telling us now they're gonna get revenge on us.
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  They're telling us now that they're not done, that they they can still strike out and get us and sink our ships.
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  These people are still spoiling for war.
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  Now, that tells me a couple very important things.
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  How do we respond to this?
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  So we can we can argue that Trump shouldn't have done it, he should have held off, we should have done whatever.
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  There is evidence out there, even if you don't believe it, you need to research it.
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  That when our people went there to negotiate with the Iranians before the conflict started, they told us they had enough uh enriched uranium to make 11, 10 to 11 nuclear bombs.
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  At that point, and they said they could do it in two weeks.
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  At that point, what kind of a risk do you take with nuclear war coming out of the Middle East from a radical crazy fanatical government like Iran when they say in two weeks we'll have enough for 11 bombs and they have the rockets to reach major European cities?
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  How long do you wait?
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  And this is where you have to look back and say, all of us are armchair leaders.
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  We're all armchair presidents.
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  I would have done this, I say that.
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  You could Trump don't know what he's doing.
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  The reality is Donald Trump is in the president's seat.
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  He's getting information that the rest of us do not have.
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  He is getting information that is leading him to make decisions that need to be made to protect the rest of the world.
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  Now it's protecting the United States, but it's also protecting the rest of the world.
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  So the uh when we look at Iran, I don't trust them.
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  I don't think this ceasefire is is going to hold.
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  I hope it does.
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  I hope they have a change of heart.
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  I would hope there would be an internal coup that people in the government there would realize if if they do not do the right thing here, there will be a mark on their heads forever going forward.
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  You know, you get the guy who's who's the spokesperson now, and he's in charge, and he's telling you, you know, we're gonna get revenge, we're gonna kill you, we're gonna do you know what?
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  He's got a mark on his head, like the rest of them do.
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  The minute they know where that guy is, they're gonna drop a thousand-pound bomb on his head.
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  And sometimes, and this is hard to say, because it's
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  It's a difficult thing to say, but it's a true thing to say.
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  There are sometimes there are so pe some people that are so dangerous that are so dangerous to our way of life, to our safety of the world, that we have got to say they gotta go because you can't trust them, and they will hurt you if they get a chance.
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  So I I find that absolutely true about Iran and this situation that's going on there.
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  So what do we do?
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  So what does President Trump do?
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  Well, we all need to get behind him and get behind our military and get behind our freedom and stop complaining that the Iranians are no threat.
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  They're they're just leave them alone.
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  It is so absurd and sickening, I have to say.
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  Sickening to hear Americans and American reporters going on and on and on about this.
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  Waiting, waiting for something to pounce on to hurt uh Trump and his efforts to protect us all.
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  And that's what this is all about.
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  He had to make a choice.
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  Kick the can down the road to let the next administration worry about it, or maybe potentially damage his legacy.
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  That would go pretty good.
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  I mean, pretty amazing.
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  The guy was elected out of nowhere president, had a great economy, lost in, you know, questionable ways.
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  We still don't know the answers.
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  Uh, and then he he came back.
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  He he was a split term president, one of the only ones in our history, and he came roaring back.
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  This is an amazing legacy that he's going to have.
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  Um does he give that all up?
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  He could easily just say, okay, that's the end, you know, leave the Iranians alone, let's get out of there.
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  They'll open up the uh the straits, the oil will flow, our economy will take off, and I will go out with the greatest uh approval rating of your fantastic.
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  Or he can do the right thing to try and protect multiple generations, not only of Americans, but Israelis and people around the world.
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  Iran is a danger to all of us, whether you understand it or you don't, they are.
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  So it brought up an interesting, an interesting thought that I had.
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  Because the show here is called the human equation, and we think about you know, things uh what it means to be a person.
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  There is a concept out in the world that is um it's philosophical.
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  And it is uh it's it's something to provoke thought.
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  And you say to yourself, um, it's the whole idea, if you could go back in time, and you had the opportunity to kill baby Hitler, would you do it?
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  Now the the concept is based on the idea that if you could go back in time, and there's baby Hitler, the man who would grow up and start World War II, where 60, 70, 80 million people would lose their lives.
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  Europe would be uh would be dragged into a five-year-long horrific war that the whole world was basically involved in.
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  Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of soldiers on both sides killed in destroyed cities destroyed.
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  If you could go back through time and find yourself in the nursery of baby Hitler, would you kill him?
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  And prevent that.
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  And the idea is that if you were to kill that baby, then Hitler would never be able to take power, and the war wouldn't have taken place, and we would have saved, you know, civilization through World War II.
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  Now, what makes it an interesting concept is that it juxtaposes us as as good and decent human beings, with your initial thought, and I think for a lot of people is like, well, that it makes sense if you could do that and wipe him out.
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  One person wiped out to save millions and millions of people and all that anguish and destruction and death that came with World War II.
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  That would make sense to do that.
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  But because we're good and decent people, the premise actually puts you in a bad spot to say this is not you could go back in time and you're in Hitler's office and you have a handgun, and there he is after invading uh Poland and all over the place starting the war, and then you could kill him, and that would end the war.
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  That's not the concept, that's not the scenario that's given to us.
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  What's given to us, and what makes it more difficult because we're good in decent people, is that it puts you in a nursery with a little baby.
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  You know, the idea of killing that baby, and I almost made a uh uh probably uh an inappropriate joke about our friends on the left.
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  Um, but I and I won't do that here because this is a serious discussion, but I think you can all imagine what I was gonna say.
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  But the reality is going back and killing that baby would be almost impossible for any of us to do, because at that moment that you'd be there in that nursery, he was not a maniacal killer.
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  He was a little baby, right?
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  And we would see that, and we would see that humanity in him.
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  And I don't know that any of us would be able to do it.
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  So that's what makes that a conundrum, a difficulty to look at.
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  But if you if you think about it, and if that would have actually prevented World War II, you know, take take the emotion away from it and ask yourself, would that be worth it?
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  Would that be worth it to do?
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  Well, here we are.
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  Um let's let's go forward to World War II and let's look at the example.
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  We had um Chamberlain, who was gonna meet with Hitler because we saw the we saw the rising tide of war on the uh on the horizon, and everyone was afraid this guy was gonna start the war, and you know, uh they let him rebuild his troops, because you know, you can't keep a country down, and you know, the good people are always appeasing evil people.
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  That's that's how it works, right?
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  And we okay, let them build up, let him build his army, let him re-regrain regain the country's uh, you know, uh feelings that they're good and that kind of thing.
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  But we kind of knew we could see that the war was coming.
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  So what did they do?
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  They went and talked to him.
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  And oh, we're gonna talk to him, we're gonna make our point.
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  And Chamberlain comes out waving that piece of paper that says, peace in our time.
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  We've talked to him, we've appeased him, we're all gonna be okay.
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  And then, five years later, we have a hundred million dead people and Europe in ruins because good people always think that talking will get it done.
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  Evil people don't.
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  They only deal with power and action.
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  All right, so that's something to think about.
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  Uh I might have another a little bit more on this thought before I move on.
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  But hey, Friday night uh review.
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  Okay, so this is Friday night review.
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• 30:38
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  And why do I have water?
• 30:42
  Well, I'm feeling uh rejuvenated.
• 30:47
  Ready for the weekend.
• 30:49
  And the idea of a cocktail sounds good, but I think a nice dose of cold, clean spring water is good too.
• 30:58
  So let me ask you a question.
• 31:01
  We have we have the summer coming.
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  Summertime is coming pretty soon.
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  What are you doing for Fourth of July?
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  What are your plans for Fourth of Time?
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  People go to the beach, they go to the mountains, uh, they visit family, they're friends.
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  They stay home and barbecue, staycation and barbecue, right?
• 31:19
  Let's have a little barbecue.
• 31:20
  Um lots of people uh put out their flags.
• 31:24
  We feel some patriotism.
• 31:26
  Uh in the age of Trump, there's more patriotism than there's been for many years.
• 31:30
  It's no longer considered evil to be patriotic and love your country.
• 31:35
  Um we're seeing a lot of that.
• 31:38
  Here we are celebrating the 250th year of the United States of America.
• 31:45
  Now, in previous shows, you know, when you hear me talk, I talked about this is a blip in historical times, 250 years, right?
• 31:52
  Uh it's a long time, but in individual life, but it's not that long of a time.
• 31:58
  Um, but it's an amazing thing that America has been here for 250 years, and we have changed the face of the earth for the good, right?
• 32:07
  Um it's also the 10th anniversary of this network, America Out Loud.
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  That if you're listening, uh it's because you like the network and all the different kind of shows.
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  Okay.
• 34:17
  Uh, if you put in my if you put there's a code, if you buy a ticket and you put in uh Joseph Pangaro, uh you get you get something.
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  Go there and check it out.
• 34:28
  And I would love to see everybody down in Nashville.
• 34:31
  I'll be there.
• 34:32
  And for those who listen to Chasing Justice back in the day, uh, you remember Bill Dallas, the man of faith.
• 34:38
  Bill Dallas is also coming down to meet all of you.
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  Uh there's just so many amazing voices that are going to be down there that you really need to come on down and join us.
• 34:54
  It's going to be a great time, great patriotic time, uh, adult beverages, uh, we're gonna have uh fireworks uh from the roof.
• 35:02
  It's gonna be a tremendous celebration of America and free speech.
• 35:05
  So I want you all to come down.
• 35:09
  Now, I do a lot of police training.
• 35:12
  I write books about police training, I do training classes, I do a lot of lectures, uh, I do other programs about police training.
• 35:20
  And I saw something that came up recently that I'm just gonna talk for uh just a couple of minutes on.
• 35:28
  It's a concept that uh I know a lot of people like true crime and they like all that, they want to understand it.
• 35:34
  So this is a concept that I want to talk about, and it's the idea of uh uh criminals who are either organized or disorganized.
• 35:45
  So you'll sound cool talking to your friends when you see, you know, when some big profile high profile case comes on and people start talking about it, and you could say, oh, that's a well, that sounds like a disorganized criminal to me, or you oh, that's a very organized criminal.
• 35:59
  So what is the difference between the two?
• 36:02
  Well, let's take a look at the Gilgo Beach murders.
• 36:06
  The Gilgo Beach silly serial killer, Rex Horriman has just pled guilty in New York in Suffolk County to eight murders, the Gilgo Beach murders.
• 36:19
  Now, for those of you who are not familiar with the Gilgo Beach murders, they've gone on for I think all about going back 20 years maybe, they started to find the bodies of young women along Gilgo Beach, right?
• 36:34
  It's a whole area stretch of Southern Long Island, which beaches there are amazing.
• 36:39
  You have no idea how beautiful the beaches of Long Island are.
• 36:41
  Uh really are.
• 36:43
  Um, I didn't know till I went over there and had an office over there for a while.
• 36:47
  But this guy Rex Howerman, he was an architect, and he lived he lived in Suffolk County, and he also had an office in Manhattan, and he seemed to be very successful.
• 36:57
  A lot of people knew him.
• 36:59
  Uh big guy, gregarious guy, uh regular kind of fella.
• 37:04
  And who knew that this guy next door was a serial killer?
• 37:09
  He was uh he was uh getting these women either uh they were in the uh they were sex workers, some of them, others were people that he lured in and he grabbed them.
• 37:20
  Some of them he took to his house in Long Island where he killed, and then he dumped their bodies along the stretch of Gilgo Beach in Long Island.
• 37:30
  Um and there are eight bodies he pled guilty to all eight, and he'll be sentenced in June.
• 37:38
  But we saw his his sentencing was very interesting, or his plea deal when he came out, is that he pled guilty to all of them and he'll get life without parole, no death penalty.
• 37:50
  And part of his plea deal is that he will cooperate with the behavioral science unit of the FBI.
• 38:00
  Now, we're getting to organized disorganized, but I want to give you this background.
• 38:04
  So here you have this prolific serial killer who may have killed more people than that.
• 38:10
  This guy was uh he's one of these people that is driven to do that.
• 38:15
  So in my book, uh The Investigation, in my book, The Investigation, I talk about drive crimes and want crimes, right?
• 38:24
  So for investigators, it's important to understand what are we dealing with?
• 38:28
  Is this a drive crime, something that the person was driven to do?
• 38:32
  They they're overwhelmed by this thought.
• 38:34
  Uh I I have to do this, I have to do it, right?
• 38:37
  Like a serial killer, psychosexual serial killer, or is it a want crime?
• 38:41
  People want money, they want drugs, they want things, so they do a burglary.
• 38:45
  But if there's a cop around, uh, they'll put it off because they can.
• 38:50
  A drive crime is something that people can't put off.
• 38:54
  They might be able to stop it for the moment, but the thought is always in the back of their head.
• 38:59
  They have got to satisfy these thoughts of power and lust and rage.
• 39:04
  And that's what most of our serial killers are.
• 39:07
  Um I remember there was a famous um interview uh of Ted Bundy, another prolific serial killer.
• 39:16
  And when he gave um, he gave an interview, he wouldn't say what he did, but the investigators were brilliant.
• 39:22
  They got him to say, okay, well, not not that you did these things, but if somebody did these things, what would they think about?
• 39:29
  What would be going through their mind when this happened?
• 39:31
  Oh, he said, and then he jumped right on that, and he could answer the questions without having to say it was him, but we all knew that it was him.
• 39:40
  And one of the things he said was that this thought starts to develop in your head that you need to have, you need to overpower someone.
• 39:49
  You need to control them.
• 39:52
  You want to take them away.
• 39:53
  You want to terrify them.
• 39:55
  Uh, and there is a psychosexual component.
• 39:57
  There's a sexual act, usually.
• 40:00
  While they're alive or after they kill them.
• 40:02
  And that's hard to hear that, but it's nighttime, so we're okay.
• 40:05
  We're all adults.
• 40:06
  And the reality is with these people, this drive is so powerful that they end up finally acting out.
• 40:15
  And Ted Bundy said, you know, you get this feeling, you get these thoughts, and they won't stop, and finally you feel I have I have got to act out to stop the thoughts and the feelings.
• 40:27
  And then he would go out and commit uh a kidnapping and then a uh sexual assault and a murder.
• 40:34
  And he says, and the thing is, you know, you do that and you feel a relief.
• 40:38
  He goes, and you think, okay, that's over, I did it, I don't have to do it.
• 40:41
  He goes, but then very, very shortly thereafter, that voice starts talking to you again.
• 40:46
  You have to do it again.
• 40:47
  It starts to build up.
• 40:48
  So it's very interesting.
• 40:50
  The behavioral science unit uh is an amazing group of professionals that interview these kind of people and learn about them and learn about their thinking so they can apply that to the next uh case that comes up that there could be multiple people.
• 41:07
  So in my book, I talk about uh a double homicide that I investigated, and I cover the concept of um drive crimes and want crimes and why that's important, right?
• 41:18
  Because there's different questions you would ask the suspect uh if they were a want criminal or a drive criminal, right?
• 41:25
  If they were driven to do this, you you could do things to activate their drive.
• 41:29
  You could ask certain questions, you could bring up scenarios that activate that part of their brain where they want to do these things, need to do them, and you can get them talking and giving you information.
• 41:39
  It's very, very in-depth.
• 41:40
  I I talk to lots of killers and rapists and people over my career, and I was very successful in getting confessions because I understood these concepts.
• 41:49
  But Rex Huerman, uh, the Gilgo Beach killer has admitted that he killed those eight girls, and he's going to cooperate with the uh investigators from the behavioral science unit.
• 42:03
  It's going to be interesting to hear what he has to say.
• 42:06
  Now, he he went into some detail in his guilty plea, but they said probably on his sentencing day, he might give more information as to what he did, how he did it, how did he plan it, and how did he how did he manage to stay in the background unnoticed?
• 42:23
  Even the press, the presser, his wife, his wife filed for divorce as soon as he was arrested.
• 42:29
  And she was there at the at the sentencing, her and her daughter, and the press start asking questions.
• 42:34
  How did she not know?
• 42:35
  How did she not know?
• 42:36
  He was killing women, and well, you know what?
• 42:38
  These people that do these things, they're very good at hiding their tracks.
• 42:42
  That's how they can hide right in society.
• 42:44
  This guy, like many other serial killers, interacted with regular society every single day when he went to work.
• 42:51
  He went to business meetings, he met with clients, and then he would go home and kidnap a girl and brutalize her and kill her and dump her along the beach.
• 42:58
  I mean, these people are out there, they're among us, they're not the monsters uh, you know, that we picture with you know the cloaks and they're running around like Dracula.
• 43:06
  These are people that have a twisted mind, and they act on these things.
• 43:10
  So we look at the BTK killer.
• 43:13
  This guy was in he was a it was a pillar of his church.
• 43:17
  This guy was um he was he was part of code enforcement, and he went around looking at people's lawns and doing that, and then at night he would sneak around breaking on a house and torture bind and kill the entire family, sexually assault the women and the children, and then kill and you know, kill everybody, and he got caught.
• 43:35
  And he came out and and and talked about it like, hey, it's a terrible thing, but I I can't stop myself, right?
• 43:40
  So we see them over and over again.
• 43:43
  So the whole idea here is that when we see this crime and this taking place, it's uh it's bizarre, and I want to talk about it because it just it just happened, and we're gonna see what he's gonna bring up.
• 43:55
  This is where, as an investigator, and I know many investigators were very upset when Brian Cronenberger, Kronberg, Cronoburger, I think that's his name.
• 44:05
  The the Idaho college student killer who pled guilty to the four murders of the Idaho college kids uh that went back a couple years, and he pled guilty, but the judge did not make him say why he did it, did not make him give up that information or make him work with the FBI.
• 44:25
  This guy, uh, and if you've listened to my previous shows, I looked at that and I said, I think there's some in-cel characteristics with this guy.
• 44:32
  I'm not sure, but I think so.
• 44:33
  I would love to be able to sit down with this guy and talk with him and see if I could understand what he did and why.
• 44:39
  I think I have a pretty good idea as an investigator.
• 44:42
  I have a pretty good criminal hypothesis of what I think happened.
• 44:46
  Uh, but I would like the opportunity to sit down with him and talk to him.
• 44:49
  Uh so I find that interesting.
• 44:51
  So I wanted to bring that up.
• 44:52
  Uh, you know, crime, crime in the world, crime in what's going on.
• 44:57
  All right, so I told you I would tell you the difference between organized and disorganized criminals.
• 45:02
  So what we need to know is the concept of that.
• 45:08
  So most people, most crimes of want crimes are crimes of opportunity.
• 45:14
  So when your house gets broken into and somebody steals whatever you got, your jewelry, uh, your TV set, whatever, most likely it's not a uh it's not a very complicated crime that the person plotted out and cased your house for days or whatever.
• 45:31
  Uh it was an opportunity.
• 45:33
  They wanted some stuff and they figured they would break into a house and get it, so they walk around, or they ride around and they look for a house that looks unoccupied.
• 45:44
  Now, most burglaries take place between eight in the morning and five in the afternoon.
• 45:49
  Why is that?
• 45:50
  Because that's when we're all out of our houses working, we're out of the, you know, we we come and go throughout the day.
• 45:56
  And if I go by in the morning at six o'clock and I see there's three cars in your driveway, and then by eight, ten in the morning, all three cars are gone.
• 46:05
  It's a pretty good bet that everybody in that house left to go to school, go to work, or go to a yoga class, whatever, that there'd be nobody there.
• 46:13
  So what we see a lot of times with these people, these want criminals, they see that as a signal that hey, there's nobody home.
• 46:19
  A lot of times they will go up and knock on the front door of the house.
• 46:24
  And if somebody answers the door that they didn't expect, they say, Hey, I'm looking for Bob Jones.
• 46:28
  Uh, is he here?
• 46:30
  And they're like, Bob Jones don't live here.
• 46:31
  I don't even know about oh, I'm sorry, I think I got the wrong address, sorry about that, and they leave.
• 46:36
  90% of the time, the people who interact with this person do not call the police because they think it's just a guy who was lost, you know, you got the wrong house.
• 46:45
  If they go up and knock on your door and there's nobody home, many, many times what they do is the crime of opportunity, they will go around to the back of the house and either boot in the door, break a window, climb through the basement, and steal all your stuff and take off.
• 47:00
  All right, so that's that's a crime of opportunity.
• 47:04
  And most of them are very disorganized.
• 47:07
  They show up and there's an opportunity.
• 47:10
  Hey, you know what?
• 47:10
  I've been walking through this neighborhood a lot of times going from a point A to point B, and I see there's no cars at that house.
• 47:16
  You know, I let me go in and get their stuff.
• 47:19
  They didn't wear gloves.
• 47:21
  They don't have an accomplice that's watching out for them, and they end up breaking a window leaving fingerprints, or they get cut and leave their blood, which has DNA, uh, or they drop their wallet, right?
• 47:33
  These people are very disorganized, right?
• 47:36
  They're very disorganized.
• 47:38
  So no matter the kind of crime that it is, investigators look at any pre-planning.
• 47:46
  Was there pre-planning?
• 47:47
  Was there uh did the guy come with gloves?
• 47:51
  Now you think about burglars, the burglars we see on TV, uh, you know, the jewel heist, you know, the oceans 13.
• 47:58
  These people are very organized, right?
• 48:01
  Don't they plan it out, they surveil the location, uh, they send people in on the inside, they wear gloves, they wear masks, they have all kinds of uh things ready in case the police show up or if security shows up.
• 48:14
  That is very organized, sophisticated thinking.
• 48:18
  Disorganized is that people keep looking at, you know, look at that, look at that, look at that, man.
• 48:22
  They take that money out of that bank every day at three o'clock, man.
• 48:26
  I'm coming back tomorrow.
• 48:27
  And they come back with a gun and they show up and try and rob the guys, you know, in the armored car.
• 48:32
  But there's three guys in the car, and a guy steps out with a shotgun and blasts them.
• 48:36
  Uh, very disorganized kind of a thing.
• 48:39
  Or as opposed to organized.
• 48:40
  So when it comes to um people that do crimes of violence, we often see that some of these drive criminals are driven very, very hard by the desire to conduct the crime, uh the the homicide, the sexual assault or whatever.
• 48:57
  And the thing to understand there why there's often a connection between a psychosexual component of a homicide kidnapping serial killer, is because while there is sex involved, sex is really not about sex.
• 49:12
  Uh, it has its place sometimes in the fantasy world of the criminal, but the reality is that sexual assault is about power.
• 49:20
  You know, if I can grab you by the arm and keep you from leaving, I have power over you, right?
• 49:27
  If I can grab you by the arm and punch you in the face and then drag you into the bushes, boy, that's a lot of power I have over you.
• 49:34
  You can't protect yourself.
• 49:36
  The ultimate power you can have over someone is to sexually assault them.
• 49:42
  They cannot stop you from violating their body.
• 49:45
  And you have all that power.
• 49:46
  That's very thrilling to the sexual assaulter.
• 49:50
  Um and then the only step further than that is after sexually assaulting you, is to then take your life.
• 49:58
  That is the ultimate power.
• 50:00
  Grab that these people with these drives have.
• 50:04
  So when we see this, the organized criminal is someone who plans out what they're going to do.
• 50:12
  They plan out contingencies.
• 50:14
  They bring equipment with them.
• 50:16
  We've seen in many of these cases they have their uh their kidnap kit.
• 50:20
  It's got tape and it's got uh clubs and it's got all kinds of things that they need to take someone against their will.
• 50:27
  And then we also see these things where somebody just happens to see somebody and say, hey, this is a good opportunity.
• 50:34
  Let me grab that person.
• 50:35
  And they don't they they have they leave fingerprints, they leave boot prints, they leave DNA, they leave their wallet, they're very disorganized.
• 50:44
  So when we look at a crime scene, anything that we hear on the news or whatever, you want to look and see does it look like there was any planning behind this?
• 50:56
  And if it doesn't, most likely you would be able to say, well, it looks like a very disorganized criminal.
• 51:02
  Uh crime of opportunity, as opposed to a very organized criminal.
• 51:06
  So there you go.
• 51:06
  There's a little inside criminal investigation stuff.
• 51:10
  And how can we apply that to another case that's in the news every day?
• 51:16
  And I've been reluctant to talk about it because I don't have enough of a uh of an insight into the crime to really be able to create a hypothesis because I don't I don't have access to the evidence, right?
• 51:28
  It's it's uh interesting.
• 51:30
  And that of course would be the um the Guthrie woman being uh kidnapped, uh Savannah Guthrie's mother being kidnapped and taken away.
• 51:40
  Now, from based on what I've just told you, organized, disorganized, want drive, you can look at that and you can start to say, okay, uh, was this a want crime or a drive crime?
• 51:52
  Well, initially it looks like a want crime.
• 51:56
  It looks like they wanted to take this woman against her will uh and hold her for ransom, which they asked for money.
• 52:05
  All right, so that's a want crime.
• 52:06
  They want money, they want something.
• 52:08
  If it was a drive crime, was it to take this woman because they have an elderly woman fantasy and they wanted to assault her and then kill her?
• 52:17
  That would change it to a drive crime.
• 52:18
  But we don't have that information because we don't know what happened to her.
• 52:22
  Is she still being held to this day in a basement somewhere, being fed soup and and and whatnot, and she just can't communicate with us?
• 52:30
  Or has she been killed and disposed of already?
• 52:34
  We won't know.
• 52:34
  When we find that out, that will give us some insight into whether it was a want crime or a drive crime.
• 52:40
  Now, when we look at what we do know, okay, we do have pictures uh apparently of an individual coming to the house more than one time.
• 52:50
  Right?
• 52:51
  And on the night of the kidnapping, uh the video that we have shows this person wearing a mask, wearing gloves, maybe two sets of gloves to not leave fingerprints.
• 53:03
  Right?
• 53:04
  It looks like there was a little bit of preparation in this.
• 53:07
  If they had done uh pre-surveillance to see, you know, when is she home alone?
• 53:12
  When are her family visiting, that kind of thing.
• 53:14
  And then they went in and they did what they did.
• 53:17
  Uh but just seeing the forethought of wearing gloves to not leave fingerprints.
• 53:23
  Uh, he had a backpack, and we don't know what's in there, but presumably there was some kind of equipment.
• 53:28
  Maybe there would be rope to tie her up or something to mask her so she couldn't scream, or chloroform to knock her out, who knows?
• 53:35
  Or weapons.
• 53:36
  We we we just don't know.
• 53:37
  But we saw that there was a backpack on this person who had a mask on their face, so they couldn't be identified by camera shots, and we haven't identified the person yet.
• 53:48
  Right?
• 53:48
  We got pictures of them.
• 53:49
  We have no idea who this person is.
• 53:52
  Uh, and then and and Mrs.
• 53:54
  Guthrie is gone.
• 53:55
  We can't find her, we don't know where she's at.
• 53:57
  So when we look at that, we can say that criminal, uh, whether it's a want crime or a drive crime, we don't know that yet.
• 54:05
  We'll find that out eventually.
• 54:07
  Uh maybe I I certainly hope we find her, and I hope she's alive, being kept in a basement and being fed and cared for uh for ransom and they eventually get her out.
• 54:15
  But if it's not that, we will find out what happened to her if they find her body.
• 54:20
  We can determine want crime or drive crime.
• 54:24
  But once we go beyond that, we can look at it and initially say, this looks like an organized criminal.
• 54:30
  Right?
• 54:31
  This looks like an organized criminal just from what we can see.
• 54:34
  They did some kind of surveillance, they showed up with a backpack, supposedly filled with uh potentially filled with some equipment they would need to do their crime.
• 54:42
  Uh they had gloves uh and they had masks, so they could they were trying to prevent their uh their identification and their capture, which would ruin their would ruin their plan.
• 54:54
  So there's some forethought that went into this.
• 54:57
  That's an organized kind of an action.
• 55:00
  Now there are some criminals that are extremely organized, and then there are some that are extremely disorganized.
• 55:07
  But when you're watching crime and you're talking with your friends and you're trying to figure something out, you can look at these things.
• 55:13
  Do we think it's a want crime?
• 55:15
  Because the object was to get money, to get things that they couldn't normally get, or was it a drive crime?
• 55:22
  Was it something that was pushing them psychologically to do?
• 55:25
  And then were they organized or were they disorganized?
• 55:29
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• 55:38
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• 55:42
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• 55:47
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• 55:51
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• 56:02
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• 56:03
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• 56:14
  All right, so that's about it for our Friday night get together.
• 56:18
  Uh we we we covered a lot of stuff here.
• 56:20
  We covered uh Iran, we covered uh Rex Hoyerman, we've covered want crimes, drive crimes.
• 56:26
  It's been interesting time together here on the Friday night roundup.
• 56:31
  And I guess we have to ask the question what's coming next week?
• 56:35
  By next week, we should have a lot of answers, you know, about the Artemis.
• 56:39
  We should hear about what happened with Iran, are they giving in?
• 56:42
  Are they doing the right thing?
• 56:44
  And hopefully we find Mrs.
• 56:46
  Guthrie.
• 56:47
  All right, my friends, this is Joe for the human equation saying be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem.
• 56:53
  We will see you next time.