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From Doctor to Founder with Jay Motley · Founder Mode

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That's really seen patients come out of an infusion and feel
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completely different and they'll say, I feel like myself again.
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That was really unexpected. I was pretty, I'm a scientist.
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I was skeptical going. I was like, can the numbers
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really be this good? And they were.
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And So what we look at Ketaminez is really like a window.
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It's like a an open window and it's a tool.
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Welcome back to Founder Mode. Where we talk to builders who
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take big swings, especially when the world least expects it.
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Today, we explore what it looks like to go from practicing
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medicine to founding a modern mental health clinic.
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Yeah, it's a conversation about innovation, care and personal
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transformation. Before we get into it with Jay
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though, Kevin, you famously hi every health tech product and
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diligently follow Brian Johnson's blueprint protocol.
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And now that you're getting a lot more exposure to healthcare,
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now work in healthcare, maybe healthcare adjacent.
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Yeah. What's your answer to helping
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people get and stay healthy? Like the everybody thing, not
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like the just for people who want to spend thousands of
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dollars on expenses. Yeah, and I think part of this
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is a code thing. A lot of times you're always
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like, oh, add another fix for the bug.
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And a lot of times the actual fix, and especially in AI, is
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deleting because you're. Solution by subtraction.
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Yeah, So I think, but I think the to your real question, which
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is, man, it's the sleep thing. Sleep, eat real food.
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It's all the stuff that you stay away from the center aisles of
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the grocery store, right? Stay on the outside and then
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walk your dog, right? Walk yourself, walk your dog,
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walk your family. Take a 10,000 steps or whatever
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it is. Take the stairs man.
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There's my building has four flights and you can take a
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elevator, but it's alright. Just take the stairs.
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So when I see stuff when I park my car park a little farther
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away, I all the silly things you can do to add a few 100 steps to
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your day. It adds up, yeah.
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So I don't know, Jason, you started like a doctor house call
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app. You spent years working in
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healthcare yourself. What do you think the future's
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going to? Look like it's weird right now,
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right? Because AI there's like the
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accelerate, we talk about this a lot.
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There's the A cell and D cell crowds where it's like there's
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going to be AI doctors in 5 minutes and then there's the
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other people. There's no AI is never going to
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be a doctor. The truth is, of course, going
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to be somewhere in the middle, but I think the reality that
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we're all facing is like hard to get appointments, hard to get
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through to the doctor's office. There's so many challenges in
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just getting good care. I'm going through something with
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my wife right now where it's like she's got this thing can't
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quite figure it out. Been talking to ChatGPT about it
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a lot. And she went to the ER and the
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doctor was very dismissive. Women's Health stuff always
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dismissed. And it's it's the same refrain.
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History doesn't repeat it rhymes.
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And with healthcare, I feel like where we're going to go is there
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is this kind of uprising of people being like, I pay so much
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money and I get worse and worse care in service there.
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There is a breaking point, I think for everybody.
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And so I'm hopeful and I'm an optimist, A techno optimist,
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that AI is going to be somewhat of a solution there and that it
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will reduce administrative burden, that it will reduce the
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things that Chachi PT is doing for me right now.
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As I ask it simple medical questions, it yeah, it says,
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yeah, I'm not a doctor, but that's fine.
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Like I don't need you to be a doctor.
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I need you to give me the upper hand.
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Educate me the script. This thing that you're going to
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say when you go to the ER to be triaged so they see you right
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away, like does that stuff. That's super helpful.
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So what is the end state of that look like?
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Nobody has a crystal ball and knows.
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But to the extent that we can get better outcomes because we
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can optimize to care for sick people better and we can better
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manage the time of providers and administrative people and just
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reduce the overall burden and weight on the system, I think
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that's where it's going. But yeah, I don't know, should
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we start to get going with our guy Jay here?
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Yeah, Doctor Jay Motley spent more than a decade in medicine
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before stepping out and now building a new model for mental
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health. Yeah, let's jump into how that
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journey unfolded. Jay, welcome to Founder Mode.
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You went from the OR to building a modern mental health clinic.
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Today we're talking about what drove that shift and how you see
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the future of care. Thanks, great to be here.
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Great to see you guys. It's.
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Great to see you, Jay. Happy to have you.
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Let's just start with the kind of big elephant in the room
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question. What made you step away from
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this long career in anesthesiology and take the leap
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into entrepreneurship and being a founder?
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Yeah, it's a great question. Funny enough, I'm one of those
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kids. My parents are both in
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anesthesia, so I guess it's like a family business.
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I told the kindergarten class that I was going to be an
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anesthesiologist. Literally.
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Yeah. And so that's what I did.
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And I went through all the little steps that you have to do
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to get through Med school, make A grades, get into Med school,
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do anesthesia. And that was always what I
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loved. And I was so excited to to get
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into it and having as a career. But then really 2, two things
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happened simultaneously. One, when I took a job out of
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residency, I came into a group that was a private anesthesia
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group. I was a shareholder in that
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company and it was amazing. We were working.
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We worked together as a team, built an amazing anesthesia
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practice. It have been going 60 years
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before I got there. And then we got taken over by a
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hospital system and I became employed overnight.
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So that point, the writing started to be on the wall.
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Things changed. Wasn't about patient care as
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much anymore. We weren't making decisions as
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much as a team anymore. Decisions were coming top down.
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And I've always been entrepreneurial.
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And so that was the opportunity that I sought to make the
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switch. And, you know, that partnered
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with earlier, a few years prior, I had lost my wife to colon
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cancer. And so sorry.
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Yeah, it was it was definitely a surprise.
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She was a young woman, 26 years old when she got diagnosed and
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ultimately ended up passing away a couple years later.
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And that led me into really kind of trying to understand why
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would a 26 year old, otherwise healthy, with no history of
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colon cancer, get that. And I discovered lifestyle
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medicine. And that was part of the other
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reason that led me to change. Yeah, interesting.
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And then as you think about those sort of critical moments
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and thinking about what you were going to do next, like what were
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the key factors? And I like how you said I was
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different employed versus a shareholder.
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And I think it's a big thing, and we can't talk about that a
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lot as a founder, but what was there like when you're like,
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hey, this is the thing, Like the top things that you wanted to
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show up in this kind of new way of working, restarting again as
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a new practice. Yeah, as I thought about it and
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after I went through what I went through, I understood.
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And you hear that time is your most important and most valuable
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asset. And it's one thing to hear it
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and then another thing to actually experience it.
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And for me, after going through what I went through with
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Lindsay, I actually felt and understood how valuable time is
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and how you only get so much of it and you don't know when
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things will change. And the big turning point for me
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was when I started losing control of my schedule and
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losing control of my calendar. Beforehand, we had a lot of
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opportunity to trade shifts and there was some flexibility.
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And so that was what I was looking for out of a job.
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But when that started changing, that was definitely the the big
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turning point for me. And it's not like when you go
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into entrepreneurialism, we all know it's not your calendar's
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wide open, but you have control over the calendar that way that
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that I had lost with my other job.
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So that was one huge thing I was looking for was to get control
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of the calendar again. So when you talk about this
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category of lifestyle medicine, which I like that phrase, I
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don't know if we've ever talked about it that way on the show.
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So it's cool to hear you say it with somebody with the
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background that you have. You took this leap from
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anaesthesiology into more mental health and Wellness in this kind
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of thinking about the whole person.
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You've also gone in a direction that's it's very new and still
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in this bit of a regulatory unknown space, right?
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There's certain things you can and can't do.
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And you've explored now ketamine therapy and you've described it
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as a breakthrough for people stuck in this traditional
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medical system. What convinced you that it was
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worth building entire clinic around this kind of an idea?
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It's interesting that an anesthesiologist would go into
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mental health care 'cause it's not our natural, but I think the
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way that it started was I noticed it coming up in our
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anesthesia journals a few years prior.
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Ketamine's an anesthesia drug. It's been around for about 60
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years and it's used as an anesthetic.
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So we're very familiar with it in our profession, but we've
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never used it quite in that way. And maybe I would say six or
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seven years ago I started noticing it in the journals more
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talking about for mental health. I was like, wow, that's really
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interesting that it's used that way.
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It wasn't something that was expected really To think of an
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anesthesia drug used that way is pretty much off the wall.
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But that's what happens in medicine.
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Sometimes drugs that are invented for one thing end up
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being used for something else. Ketamine obviously is a medicine
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compared to SSRIs or something that would be traditionally used
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for mental health care. Those often take six weeks or
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more to work, even if they work at all.
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What is different about ketamine is it's about 70 or 80%
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effective for people that at first failed All the traditional
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therapies that are out there. They're already coming in and
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haven't tried everything that the medical system can throw at
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them. That's the best care and
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ketamine can work in hours Today that's really seen patients come
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out of an infusion and feel completely different and they'll
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say, I feel like myself again. That was really unexpected.
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I was pretty, I'm a scientist. I was skeptical going.
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I was like, can the numbers really be this good?
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And they were. And So what we look at ketamine
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as is really like a window. It's like a an open window and
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it's a tool so it can start to make the changes.
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But I think for the changes to stick and for patients to really
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get better long term, you have to look at all the other
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lifestyle things that are going on, the really the root cause of
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what's causing the depression. And that's not always something
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that's just going to be magically fixed with a medicine.
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You know, we, we see ketamine as a way to, to open that window
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and then we can start to work on a lot of the other stuff.
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So we really built a comprehensive clinic around
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that. We have therapy, counseling that
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goes into, we talk about all the lifestyle things like nutrition,
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how we eat, how we move, stress management, sleep, those sorts
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of things. And I think when you bring the
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full package together, it offers something that we haven't seen
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really before in traditional mental health care.
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I really, the way you're talking about it, which is very counter
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to the traditional system of the, let's just treat the
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symptoms. Let's just treat this one thing
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that's wrong as an anesthesiologist, let's just
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give him this pain management or anaesthesia to help somebody go
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under for a procedure. And I think it's such a, it's
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such a different view. And I, I like that.
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And I know that a lot of it comes from just having known you
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prior to this conversation, your personal story and what you just
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shared about the loss of your first wife.
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There's so much loss and rebuilding there.
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I, I can't imagine what you went through, but I imagine that it
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had a huge impact on how it shaped your commitment to your
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own health and longevity and ultimately what became this
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business, Mindwell, that you're building.
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So just can you talk a little bit about that?
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I think in the aftermath of her passing, you're a single dad at
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that point. My, she was pregnant with my
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daughter while she went through the treatment and so we didn't
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really know what would happen to her.
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And thankfully she came out healthy and happy and she's a 12
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year old like wildly successful kid now.
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And we're so thankful about that.
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But I spent a few years there really soul searching and trying
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to figure out what happened here.
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What am I doing in medicine? Are we really helping people?
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And I've ushered thousands of people through surgeries and
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we'll see the same patient over and over again.
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My diabetic that ends up having to be amputated and they come
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back in again and again. And I'm like, why are we not
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getting to the root causes? Why are we just putting band
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aids on things? And so a lot of that was soul
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searching for me and trying to figure it out.
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And also coming to terms with what we went through from my own
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mental health care and getting through the loss of a spouse and
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then what we went through with her at the end of life.
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It all seemed to just congeal. There's this medicine that's
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basically a miracle for people that are suffering from mental
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health care issues. I've also suffered and want to
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be able to help in that area. I'm an anesthesiologist and it's
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a medicine that I'm comfortable with.
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And then I meet my new wife, Beth, who's a family medicine
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physician and also trained in lifestyle medicine.
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And so she was really the first one that was able to introduce
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me to this concept that we were never taught in Med school.
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It wasn't anything. We spend four years in Med
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school and not once do we talk about how nutrition effects
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health and how it prevents disease.
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And so it's wild to me, but the American College of Lifestyle
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Medicine is an amazing organization that does evidence
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based prevention and treatment of chronic disease.
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And thanks to Beth being a part of that and have it be a
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subspecialty for family medicine.
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I was also introduced to it and saw this is what the exact thing
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that I've been looking for patients that I wanted to serve
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and I got boarded in it and I was able to build that concept
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into the mental health care practice that we have in mind.
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Well, so. You're a dad of five with six on
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the way, running a clinic, training for marathons.
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Like how do you balance all this?
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Oh yeah, I know that's funny, right balance.
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OK, I'll say the number one most important thing is have an
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amazing life that just does pretty much everything and takes
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care of a ton for you. I like to think we have balance.
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I get up at 5:00 in the morning pretty much every day.
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That's pretty standard for me. That's.
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Going to the club, This is team 5:00 AM right here.
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All right, that's what I'm talking about. 5:00 AM is the
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time and that's my time. I run every day.
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That's how I train for marathons.
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I was, I came into that in my early age when I went into
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college, probably 155 lbs, pretty good weight.
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And then by junior year, I'd gotten up to well over 200 lbs,
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started getting hypertensive. And that was my really first
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wake up call. I was like, how am I 20 years
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old and already having chronic disease?
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I went to a family friend that was a physician.
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He asked me all the questions. And finally he just said you're
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overweight and that's probably what's causing your blood
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pressure issues. If you lose it, it'll go away.
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If you don't, you're going to be on meds the rest of your life.
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And that was a wake up call. I had no idea.
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I really just thought I was growing up and I didn't.
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I saw myself in the mirror. I didn't see this unhealthy
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version, but thankfully he was able to wake me up.
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It was my mental health time. I think in time and I've just
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carried that on. I started running marathons and
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then eventually got to where I PR did a 250 marathon a few
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years ago. And I have a great group of guys
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here in Greenville. We, it's called, we run at dawn.
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There's probably 40 or 50 of us in the group total.
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Usually 20 or 30 guys every morning show up out there
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together and it runs in. So that's how that part of it
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works. That's dedicated to me, my
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mental health, my work, and I get that in before any of the
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family wakes up. And then, you know, you get home
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breakfast, get the kids fed out to school.
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And then I just try to make sure that I wear hats in the time
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when I'm in something. I'm completely focused on that.
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And when it's with the kids, I'm focused on the kids.
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When it's work, I'm focused on work.
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And I guess that's how we make it work.
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That and a lot of help around the house.
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We have a nanny too that pitches in, which is we couldn't do it
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without her. We Run It Dawn is maybe the best
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running club name I've ever heard.
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This episode was gonna be called From Doctor to Founder with Jay
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Motley. But I'm gonna, I'm gonna rally
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the team and maybe we call that We Run It Dawn.
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It's pretty good. Great.
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Line, it's an amazing Yeah, they killed it with that, they killed
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it. And so, yeah, we had our own
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logo. And how many you were overweight
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in college? And then how many marathons have
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you now run, Kyle? That's a good question.
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Probably around 10 plus or minus.
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Don't hold me to it. It's 2. 160 plus miles, no big
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deal. And the hundreds of miles
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training for that, That's insane dude.
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OK, you talk a lot about prevention, sleep, fiber, plant
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based eating. Why do you think that these
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basics are just so overlooked? Kevin and I talk about this
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stuff all the time, but it is not something most people are
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talking about or thinking about. Yeah, yeah.
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Gosh, it's so true. I think it's a couple reasons.
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One, I just think that stuff's not sexy at all, to be honest.
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Prevention is not sexy. You get excited about the
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firefighter that comes and puts out the fire, not the fire
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Marshall that comes over and changes the batteries and the
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smoke detector. And I think it's.
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No fire Marshall calendar, just the fire fire.
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Calendar, yeah, that's right. There's just nothing sexy about
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prevention. So I think that's part of the
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big problem. We don't get excited about
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disease that never happened. That's the hard part is how do
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you quantify that? How do you know you don't know
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the diseases you prevented? And so they're really tough to
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get excited about. So that's so tough with
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prevention and and we got to figure out how to solve that.
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And I really think the other problem is the way the system is
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set up. Honestly, the system is not
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built to reimburse prevention. Our providers are paid to, to
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see patients. There's codes that determine how
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they get paid for visits and you know, you get paid a couple $100
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for a 10 minute Med visit or you don't get reimbursed any extra
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for a 45 minute visit where you go over with patients, you know
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about their lifestyle choices. And it's not the, it's not on
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the provider side. I know every provider I talk to
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is they think this way, they wish they had more time.
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They want to spend this time with the patients talking about
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these things. The system's just not set up for
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it. And I think that's, I think
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that's what's going on with it's we got to figure out how to
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solve that part of it. What Wellness myths like annoys
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you the most and what are something that people should
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focus on instead? There's so many hyped things
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that are like, you know what, what do you think?
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Or what do you see in sort of your radar that, you know,
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you're like, oh man, this? I'm nervous about his answer to
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this question. Like all the stuff that you and
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I do. Yeah, I know.
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I got to be careful with this one.
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I don't want to step on anybody. No speak the.
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Terms please. Yeah, yeah.
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So one of the huge ones is that you need these like multi $1000
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bio hacks to be healthy. I think the real truth is the
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stuff, the like low hanging fruit is what we do as
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entrepreneurs, right? It's like showing up every day
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by day and doing the little stuff brick by brick.
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And if you get your sleep every night, we actually set your.
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Sleep scores every morning. We like tax, but hey, what do
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you get what I get? Because it's, it's a dumb thing,
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but you're like, honestly, that's going to set the tone.
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If you can get enough, shame yourself into getting good sleep
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every night. That's right.
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And accountability. That's fantastic.
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Accountability, not shame. Yeah, that's right.
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Accountability, I like it. It's it's just incredible here,
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so. It's the really expensive
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devices. Seeing Brian Johnson spending,
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you're like, you just go outside and take a walk.
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Yeah, Yeah, I exactly. And just go out and get a walk.
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It's free and make sure you do the walk every single day.
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And we're talking with entrepreneurs.
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I think we're a bit of a different breed here.
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And so I think of things a lot about like the population at
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whole and maybe some of these answers relate to that.
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And when you look at, when you look at everyone in our country,
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there's probably some issues with just nail in the base.
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I think a lot of us as entrepreneurs have probably got
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that stuff checked off and then then it makes more sense to
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start to look at some of the more detailed stuff.
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But that's one that gets me up with the big population for
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sure. So you've written about AI in
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both education and in medicine. How do you see technology
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reshaping mental health in the next few years?
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Yeah, we're right in the middle of this massive change right
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now. It's really fun to be involved
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with it. I think for all of us and see
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where we're going with AII, don't one of the fears and one
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of the questions is do we think AI is going to replace
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clinicians overnight? I don't think that's going to
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happen personally. I think what we're going to see
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is that it's just going to make clinicians better.
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It's going to be a partner that we work with and it's going to
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allow us to just take better care of our patients and spend
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more time with them. I can tell you as a business
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owner that runs a medical clinic, if I can get AI and if
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it can get to the point where it can start to remove a lot of the
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grunt work then my team's having to do then things like prior
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authorizations, scheduling, billing, that sort of stuff that
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we're taking times away from patients.
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It's going to, it's going to change that completely.
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So I, I think that's going to be a huge thing.
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I think also when we're looking at right now, our patients have
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access to the clinicians just for a short window of time
18:56
really while they see him in the office.
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And I think AI is going to have the potential to fill that gap
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for us. So there can be some
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availability 24/7 for our patients to be able to have some
19:06
access there that we can't provide something that'll be a
19:08
nice way for it to fill in. Yeah, it's off label for middle
19:10
healthcare. And that's all related to the
19:12
way the system works and how we get approvals for drugs.
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It would need to get a new approval for depression, which
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is very expensive and we hope it's happening, but it's
19:20
unlikely. So that's all cash pay.
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There is a version of ketamine called esketamine.
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That's one of the molecules that's in ketamine that got FDA
19:27
approval. So they were able to pull that
19:29
molecule out and get FDA approval for depression.
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So that is an insurance based product and we offer it for our
19:35
patients because it's very effective and it's also popular.
19:38
Every insurance has different stipulations.
19:41
There's different things that you have to do to make sure that
19:43
it gets approved, and then often times there's lots of hoops that
19:47
you have to jump through even when you think it's approved.
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That part is tough, but we run a hybrid system where we are, so
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we have a bit of both. We offer cash pay services and
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then we do insurance as well, and that seems to be the sweet
19:58
spot for us. We've seen great success there.
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We can sometimes start patients on ketamine with cash pay and
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they can get feeling better quickly.
20:06
And then we can transition to one of the other services for
20:09
maintenance. And yeah, it seems to work.
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So that's the way that we plan to keep going.
20:13
So you started one Mindwell clinic to start and I think you
20:16
have multiple. What did you learn during those
20:19
kind of first six months truly in founder mode starting that
20:22
first clinic that that you wish you'd you knew earlier in the
20:26
process? Yeah, that was wild.
20:27
Like thinking back to those days, you go in and you're
20:30
learning everything on the fly. So yeah, I opened the clinic
20:33
with one employee and one team member and me, and it was a
20:36
front desk person and me and we were doing everything.
20:38
I built the website first, got the logo built, did the build
20:42
out everything. That's right, Every single bit
20:44
of it. And the big thing I'm seeing now
20:46
is when, you know, when you start that way, you can grind it
20:49
out and you can just do it all on your own and you can muscle
20:51
through it and figure it out. But when you scale, you can't do
20:55
that. And so you have to put some
20:56
systems in place. And I think one of the big,
20:59
that's one of the big things that I learned is systems.
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And we're in the middle of building all those out now as we
21:03
scale where we just opened our third location with plans to
21:07
open more. And yeah, so that's one huge
21:09
thing. I think the other thing that I
21:11
learned is just how you hear it over and over, but how important
21:15
the team is and the people that you hire and making sure you
21:17
hire great people. And I didn't know what I was
21:20
doing at all when it came to that.
21:21
And I think I just got really lucky because we've gotten
21:24
really good team members. But if I could tell myself
21:27
anything back then it would be hire slow, hire fast or the
21:32
Classic and I could have gotten in trouble.
21:34
But I think we just got lucky because we got, we have a great
21:36
team and we really built the company around this idea that if
21:40
you hire really good people and you take care of them and you
21:43
treat them really well and it starts there, that they'll want
21:46
to take good care of patients, They'll be excited to be there,
21:48
excited to do the work they're doing.
21:50
And it seems to work so far. Our patients love our team
21:53
members and we get great reviews on Google on there willing to
21:56
share their experience there. So we've been really excited
21:57
about that. Awesome, Yeah.
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Where can people follow your work and read your writing or
22:01
learn more about your clinics? Yeah, I I write on sub stack,
22:04
I'm on X and post some there LinkedIn.
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Awesome, the usual thoughts. What's the what's the website
22:12
for Mindwells Clinic Clinic? It's mindwell.com.
22:15
We'll include that link in the show notes.
22:16
We'll link to your sub stack and your social profile so folks can
22:20
connect with you after. But just man, thank you.
22:22
This was really honest, inspiring superhuman actually,
22:27
and just appreciate you joining us, Jay.
22:29
Yeah, for sure. Thanks for having.
22:30
Me awesome. Thank you.
22:31
Take care, dude. That was great.
22:33
I think the most inspiring thing for me was just this calm
22:36
demeanor of it's broken, I got this, we're going to go fix it.
22:40
And to me, that was like everything you want in a
22:44
provider partner in your health to be like, man, it's just a
22:47
calm, cool, collected vibe, but also really thoughtful in terms
22:51
of hey, look like insurance can cover certain things.
22:54
We're going to work with that where it can, but then where it
22:56
can't, this idea of self pay or sort of lifestyle can be other
23:00
ways to help you people get healthy holistically rather than
23:03
just trying to say medicate, medicate, medicate.
23:06
It's not there is a way where you can approach that where you
23:09
use medication. I loved the line of open a
23:10
window. Like that was just a like
23:12
crystal line of hey, let's open a window so we can go in and
23:14
figure out what else is going on and really solve that.
23:16
Yeah, I feel like you and I are both really obsessed with this
23:19
stuff and like, how can we Max health, like health maxing right
23:23
and get the most out of life, have good longevity, get to see
23:26
our kids grow up and have be become parents themselves if
23:29
they want to be like just all that good stuff.
23:31
And I feel like Jay, every time I talk to him, I the same
23:34
impression because you just met him.
23:35
But like, I've known Jay for a minute and yeah, he's just so
23:38
calm. And it's like, yeah, you want
23:39
that in your corner. And like, also as an
23:41
entrepreneur and founder, man, is it good to be mellow and
23:44
chill? Because when the world's going
23:46
crazy and everything's on fire, you're like, all right, let's
23:48
just go put out that fire. And he's, oh, by the way, should
23:50
we maybe get the fire Marshall in here before there are fires?
23:53
It's pretty good. So we touched on some of these
23:55
just now. But Kevin, what were your top
23:56
five takeaways for folks listening?
23:58
Yeah, the first is like regain control of your calendar, right.
24:01
Honestly, time is all of ours scarcest asset use breakthrough
24:05
tools as wedges, right. Like how do you tackle those
24:07
deeper root problems once you open it up?
24:09
And then really designing around prevention, whether when the
24:12
incentives and applause favor this firefighting.
24:14
And then the last two, this kind of prioritizing this free
24:18
fundamentals, right, sleep, movement consistency.
24:21
And then before you go chase any kind of expensive optimizations
24:24
or add-ons. And then finally you can really
24:25
launch alone, right. You can build, you can be a
24:27
founder and solo The Thing, hero mode, the Thing founder mode,
24:31
the Thing before scaling demands that now you got to put systems
24:34
in place and hiring and more importantly hiring the best
24:37
people to really build a team around you that can allow you to
24:40
go to the next level. And he's not the first person to
24:42
say this, but hire slow, fire fast.
24:45
And I, I cannot, we cannot say that enough on this show.
24:48
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