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314. Focusing On the Good: 2X Olympian Katie Hoff Anderson On Life Beyond the Pool & Embracing Her Newest Chapter · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: The grateful thing.
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  Speaker 2: The word grateful gratitude is tough for me because sometimes
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  Speaker 2: again I'm like, but I don't know if I necessarily
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  Speaker 2: feel grateful in this moment. For that, so I've shifted
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  Speaker 2: it to what good happened today?
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Hello Emily, A body here with a surprise episode
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  Speaker 3: for your Wednesday morning if you're listening to this in
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  Speaker 3: real time. Number three fourteen from Hurdle a Wellness a
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  Speaker 3: focused podcast where I talk to inspirational people about everything
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  Speaker 3: from their highest ties and toughest moments to essential tips
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  Speaker 3: on how to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life.
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  Speaker 3: We all go through our fair share of hurdles. My
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  Speaker 3: goal through these discussions is to empower you to better
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  Speaker 3: navigate yours and move with intention so that you can
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  Speaker 3: stride towards your own big potential and of course.
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  Speaker 1: Have some fun along the way.
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  Speaker 3: For number three fourteen, I am bringing you my conversation
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  Speaker 3: with Katie hoff Anderson. You may know and love her
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  Speaker 3: from her time in the pool. She's a two time Olympian,
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  Speaker 3: three time medalist. In these days, she spends her time
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  Speaker 3: as a speaker and co host of her new podcast
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  Speaker 3: called Unfiltered Waters. I'll go ahead and make sure to
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  Speaker 3: link that in the show notes. Now we have the
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to link at Athleta's Power of She Hub in Paris.
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  Speaker 3: This is Katie's second appearance on the show, and it
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  Speaker 3: was such a great opportunity to connect on what's the latest,
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  Speaker 3: what's going on with her. She was out in Paris
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  Speaker 3: working with Yahoo Sports and with Team USA as a creator.
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  Speaker 3: She tells us what that was like, and she also
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  Speaker 3: gets real about how the transition has been for her,
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  Speaker 3: going from a competing athlete to being.
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  Speaker 1: On the other side.
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  Speaker 3: She also talks to us about what she's been doing
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  Speaker 3: since we last chatted for the show and scales her
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  Speaker 3: experience going through the Hoffmann process, which I found to
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  Speaker 3: be super, super interesting. I have so much content from
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  Speaker 3: my time in Paris that I want to make sure
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  Speaker 3: hits the feed in some sort of reasonable timeframe, which
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  Speaker 3: is why you're getting these special bonus episodes. I promise
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  Speaker 3: you there's new stuff being made, there are emails flying,
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  Speaker 3: interviews happening, and so I just want to make sure
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  Speaker 3: you know that I'm always thinking of how I can
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  Speaker 3: best serve all of you. Now, recently, I made the
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  Speaker 3: shift to allowing email listener questions for the five minute
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  Speaker 3: at Emily a Body And with that, let's get to it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get to hurdling.
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  Speaker 1: Today.
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  Speaker 3: I have the pleasure of sitting down with Katie hoff Anderson.
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  Speaker 1: How are we doing? We are doing great.
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  Speaker 2: We are let's see five days in and eight more
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  Speaker 2: days to go, and I feel like I've done like
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  Speaker 2: two weeks worth of stuff, which is awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so talk to me about what the stuff is,
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  Speaker 3: what's going on right now.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm here with the USOPC. They have a Team
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  Speaker 2: USA Creators Program, which I think, first of all, is incredible.
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  Speaker 2: It's the first time and they've ever done it, and
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  Speaker 2: I think it's only going to bring just awareness to
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  Speaker 2: the sports. So there's people that have nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with the sports that are here but just have a
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  Speaker 2: huge engagement in following. And so we've been doing like
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  Speaker 2: TikTok dances. We've been doing kind of recaps behind the scenes,
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  Speaker 2: so that's been really fun. And then I'm also here
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  Speaker 2: with Yahoo Sports for the swimming side of things, so
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  Speaker 2: we've been doing recaps every night, doing it again behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes, and then also doing just some general content
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  Speaker 2: for my podcasts with Missy Franklin, which is unfiltered Waters.
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  Speaker 1: You have nothing going on.
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  Speaker 3: I'm laying in bed all day, Oh my god, which
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  Speaker 3: like probably wouldn't even be that bad bad because it's Paris.
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  Speaker 1: I know, it is nice. Life is good, life is good.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: What's so interesting to me is that there's so many
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  Speaker 3: different things going on, but yet you still seem like
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  Speaker 3: you've got it together.
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  Speaker 1: Kate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of like embracing the chaos. That has
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  Speaker 2: just been my model the whole time. But yeah, people
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  Speaker 2: are like, oh my god, looks like you're doing so much,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, well, yeah, because we're in Paris and
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  Speaker 2: there's I just keep saying yes, you know, there's said
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  Speaker 2: yes you messaged me, and I was like, yes, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: So I think I mean, how often are the Olympics
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  Speaker 2: there every four years, and so I just think this
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  Speaker 2: is the time to seize it and do it, and
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  Speaker 2: it's been so much fun so far.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned working with Yahoo obviously or maybe not obviously.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it will be in the intro to this podcast.
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  Speaker 3: But two time Olympian, three time medallist, how does it
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  Speaker 3: feel sixteen years later to be on this side of things?
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  Speaker 1: It feels good?
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  Speaker 2: And I wasn't sure if I was going to say that,
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  Speaker 2: so obviously kind of went into this Olympics like okay,
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  Speaker 2: like like, yeah, you don't know, right, You don't know
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  Speaker 2: till you get here. You don't know to your sitting
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  Speaker 2: at finals watching your first I mean, my first swimming
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  Speaker 2: final session since I competed in Beijing in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and eight, So there's no way to really prepare for that.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was talking with my therapist the.
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  Speaker 2: Day before I flew out and he's like, just sit
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  Speaker 2: with it however you feel you feel.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, but that's like.
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  Speaker 2: A very anxious producing thing to be on the plane,
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  Speaker 2: like okay, Like I don't know what I'm gonna feel.
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  Speaker 2: Am I gonna have an emotional breakdown? Am I gonna cry?
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  Speaker 2: I actually had tears of joy, huh, which was really
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  Speaker 2: It just tells me I was ready to come back,
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  Speaker 2: and people listening probably like six they're like sixteen years. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but there just was so much work that has gone
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  Speaker 2: into this, and yeah, I have my I would say
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  Speaker 2: I've been saying five percent. I've been having my five
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  Speaker 2: percent of moments where I'm like, ah, like I feel
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  Speaker 2: a pain here or poll there. But ninety five percent
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  Speaker 2: is like okay, like I feel really grateful to be
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  Speaker 2: here and doing what I'm And.
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  Speaker 3: It's really impressive to hear about the work that you
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  Speaker 3: did to prepare for this moment, recognizing what was in
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  Speaker 3: your control.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, because there was only so much.
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  Speaker 3: That you could do to visualize what it would look
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  Speaker 3: like for you to be back in that space, to
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  Speaker 3: think about how you could feel, and then getting here
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  Speaker 3: and allowing yourself to let whatever came up come up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is yeah, just I mean I'm saying that, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: just whatever, I feel feel like, there's just been there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of I actually feel like the week before leaving,
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  Speaker 2: I had some meltdowns, Like I just the anticipation of
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  Speaker 2: like the unknown is obviously stressful for anybody, But I
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  Speaker 2: think once I got on the plane, I was like, okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I think we're good.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're good.
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  Speaker 2: And then I found myself having more happy tears than
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  Speaker 2: sad tears here, which has been really neat to see.
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  Speaker 2: And I think part of it is because my podcast,
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  Speaker 2: like getting to talk to the majority of the athletes
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  Speaker 2: that you're watching right now, at least on the swimming side,
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  Speaker 2: has helped me feel so connected. So I'm not really
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  Speaker 2: thinking about like my own stuff or things like that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm more like, I'm more getting emotional for the athletes
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  Speaker 2: because I know what's happening behind the scenes and what
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  Speaker 2: they're feeling and all of that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, can you talk us through a little bit for
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  Speaker 3: those that may not be familiar with your story where
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  Speaker 3: some of those emotions are coming from.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I made my first team in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and four, like a little baby fifteen year old, and
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  Speaker 2: my first games were not fun, I mean, just very overwhelming,
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  Speaker 2: felt like I was watching myself the whole time and
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a successful Olympic Games and so like didn't
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  Speaker 2: make the final and there was just a lot of
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  Speaker 2: pressure on me like everybody, but it.
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  Speaker 1: Just didn't go well.
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  Speaker 2: And then two thousand and eight, I up the ante again,
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  Speaker 2: made six events, five individual one relay and two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and eight was the Games of Michael Phelps, and so
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the expectations on me were pinned on
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  Speaker 2: me as like the female Phelps, which I I didn't
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  Speaker 2: ask for it obviously an honor, but I wasn't going
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  Speaker 2: for eight gold medals. And so I think the thing
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  Speaker 2: that really gets me right now is I came away
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  Speaker 2: from those Games with three medals, one silver and two bronze,
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't want a gold medal. That's, let's face it.
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  Speaker 2: Like everyone can say like, yes, like we want metals,
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  Speaker 2: but like you're gunning for gold, like that is the goal.
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  Speaker 2: And so when that doesn't happen, obviously you're disappointed, and that.
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  Speaker 1: Will those feelings will never go away of that.
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  Speaker 2: But I've more come to terms with them, come to
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  Speaker 2: peace with it, I think now watching you know, watching
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  Speaker 2: someone like Reagan Smith even two nights ago.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she was here in Tokyo.
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  Speaker 2: She got a bronze, she got a silver, and then
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  Speaker 2: she broke the world record at Charles and the hunter backstroke,
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  Speaker 2: and then she got touched out for a gold medal,
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  Speaker 2: and so like watching those things, I'm just like wanting
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  Speaker 2: so badly for these people to get to where I
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  Speaker 2: know they want to because I know exactly what that
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  Speaker 2: feels like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's completely understandable, right that you don't work hard
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  Speaker 3: for things not to go as you'd hoped.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no one does.
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  Speaker 3: In reality, you then get to decide what you do
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  Speaker 3: when that happens, right, And that choice at times might
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  Speaker 3: feel easier than others when you are working on something
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  Speaker 3: that happens once every four years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a limited edition opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's not you people ask like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: like how does it feel, you know, is it so amazing?
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  Speaker 1: And the answer is yes.
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  Speaker 2: But I think for a lot of these athletes, I've
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  Speaker 2: actually been able to understand being here and watching why
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  Speaker 2: people don't get it, because I'm sitting here and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, there's such a highlight.
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  Speaker 1: Reel like it, and it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's so amazing to be an Olympian, but it's so
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  Speaker 2: hard to manage everything, the logistics, the back and forth,
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  Speaker 2: to the pool, to the venues, the food that like,
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  Speaker 2: all of those things. And so I think the pressure
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  Speaker 2: is I mean, I would say the highest of really
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  Speaker 2: any you know, at least football and basketball it's like
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  Speaker 2: once a year, you know, and so thinking if you
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  Speaker 2: think of that every four years, it can be very
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  Speaker 2: hard to manage. Yeah, and so I just like, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I'm on pins and needles. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how people watch.
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  Speaker 1: It's way harder to watch. Sometimes it's challenging.
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  Speaker 3: It's really challenging for me in the bar down the
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  Speaker 3: street cheering. I will tell you I'm having a really
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  Speaker 3: hard time down there. But what I also will say
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  Speaker 3: is knowing what it could be like to come in first,
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  Speaker 3: to accomplish that goal and then coming up short. Clearly,
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  Speaker 3: that's not a feeling that just happens. Yes, it happens
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  Speaker 3: at that point in time, but there are going to
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  Speaker 3: be other things in life where you come up short
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  Speaker 3: and you have to have this talk with yourself to
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  Speaker 3: help yourself get back up after that difficult moment. What
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  Speaker 3: have strategies been like for you in the past that
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  Speaker 3: you've used maybe to yes, deal with that Olympic disappointment,
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  Speaker 3: but then now in your life today to navigate the
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  Speaker 3: hurdles as they come.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's what we talked about before, is
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  Speaker 2: just like letting yourself feel and not my therapist says yourself.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, that's shooting all over yourself, which I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: that's funny say that I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Eleven years old.
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  Speaker 2: But no, I think for me that has been the
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  Speaker 2: shift of just I place so much judgment on how
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  Speaker 2: I was feeling, like, oh, I shouldn't feel this way,
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't feel that way. It's like no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: Like your emotions are gonna come, Sit with them, don't
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  Speaker 2: try to just push them down or push them aside,
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  Speaker 2: like they're your emotions for a reason, and then kind
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  Speaker 2: of take a step back and analyze why that's happening.
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  Speaker 2: And it just gives you so much information about yourself.
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  Speaker 2: What patterns are am I bringing in here and there?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's something in the past couple of
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  Speaker 2: years I've been able to do a really good job of,
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  Speaker 2: which is.
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  Speaker 1: Why I'm here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't be here if I hadn't kind
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  Speaker 2: of figured out or unlocked that a little bit. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the piece where people get stuck and
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  Speaker 2: can't overcome a hurdle. Is they just they just kind
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  Speaker 2: of push it down and don't try to just be like, oh, huh, ok.
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  Speaker 3: Katie, what's the unlock it's the unlocke. Well you're saying
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  Speaker 3: like I've locked it. I'm like, what's the unlock for
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  Speaker 3: those that are trying to unlock it?
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  Speaker 2: I mean the unlock for me was that I am
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  Speaker 2: good enough to be here. You know, I think for
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  Speaker 2: so long I just was like Okay, well, like it
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  Speaker 2: didn't go exactly how I wanted, and so I'm just
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  Speaker 2: going to move on and like no one cares, and
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  Speaker 2: it's like the total opposite. It's just the energy that
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  Speaker 2: I'm bringing to it.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I had this moment last year and I said
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  Speaker 2: to my husband, I was like, oh my gosh, like
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  Speaker 2: I just feel like everyone's like so much more like respectful.
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  Speaker 1: And he was like, no, they've always been like that.
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  Speaker 2: You were just not yourself, Like you were just not
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  Speaker 2: accepting of it and putting out that energy is like
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  Speaker 2: nothing's changed about everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: You're the one it's changed. Energy attracts like energy, yes, period.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So whether we're talking about a scenario like this,
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  Speaker 3: you're walking down the street, you're going to a coffee shop,
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  Speaker 3: you're showing up at your office, You're going to be
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  Speaker 3: met with what you bring exactly hard stop. So for
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  Speaker 3: you now to be in this place where you're not
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  Speaker 3: accepting of what happened, but now you're understanding how to
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  Speaker 3: make your day to day work for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's a really special opportunity and a beautiful place to
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  Speaker 3: be in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like, for the first time of
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  Speaker 2: my life, I've been able to actually sit there for
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  Speaker 2: a second and recognize it.
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  Speaker 1: I still have work to do on that.
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  Speaker 2: Of just like we all do right, well the box,
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  Speaker 2: check the box, go go, go, go go, But I
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  Speaker 2: think I've been able to actually have moments here where
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, I did that. You know, I did this,
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  Speaker 2: and these things are happening because I've made a shift,
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  Speaker 2: because I've put it out there, because I've said yes
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  Speaker 2: to everything.
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  Speaker 1: But that's all me.
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  Speaker 2: And it feels really like even uncomfortable to kind of
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  Speaker 2: say that now. But I genuinely over the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of days have been like dang, like cool, Like I'm
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  Speaker 2: in a good spot.
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  Speaker 1: You're in a good spot.
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  Speaker 3: Yea, you're in a good spot. You know what I
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  Speaker 3: call this? But the bet on your celf era, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I am you love to hear.
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  Speaker 1: I am deep. I'm not even a huge Tailor Swift fan.
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  Speaker 3: I will not say I'm not a Tailor Swift fan,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm not like a swiftie, you know, I'm more
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  Speaker 3: of a belief But I'm like, oh wow, okay, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 3: that was a statement.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not not a Taylor Swift fan, but I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: I will say that, Like obviously, when you say the
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: word era, I think it's automatically equivalent with Taylor Swift.
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  Speaker 3: Now with that said, I just noticed for myself and
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  Speaker 3: through the work that I've done with my coach, that
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  Speaker 3: the beautiful things that happen when you start to bet
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  Speaker 3: on yourself are remarkable. And when you start to say
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  Speaker 3: like I am worthy of this, I am deserving of
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  Speaker 3: this again, energy attracts like energy, and other people feel
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  Speaker 3: that way about you as well. And so, for instance,
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  Speaker 3: like showing up to Paris, I was like, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to come here no matter what, and then really awesome
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  Speaker 3: stuff started to happen. Yeah, and we're sitting here right
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  Speaker 3: now in this beautiful space. And so I truly believe
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  Speaker 3: that you never regret betting on yourself, and when you
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  Speaker 3: do again, really awesome things are going to happen, are
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  Speaker 3: bound to happen. I love what you said before about
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  Speaker 3: how you feel so much pressure, not just in maybe.
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  Speaker 1: What you're doing now, but when you were in the
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  Speaker 1: pool as well.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that it's safe to say that a
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  Speaker 3: large part of the reason why so many yourself included,
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  Speaker 3: are feeling so much pressure is because the camera's always on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: whether or not you are someone that actually stands in
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  Speaker 3: front of a real camera for work, or you're simply
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  Speaker 3: walking down the street and going to grab a coffee,
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  Speaker 3: you're seeing someone do something like you, and you're thinking
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  Speaker 3: that it's better, or it's different, or I should that
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  Speaker 3: should word again do it some kind of way, and
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  Speaker 3: that really intensifies what's.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Going on in the day to day. Do you find that.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: Your exposure to social media makes you play a little
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: bit of that comparison game?
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: For sure. It's interesting because there's two sides of it.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Like my career, oh four OA, Instagram wasn't a thing,
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: you know it really, I mean, there was like message
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: boards that's like that's how people like talk crap was
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: like the message boards, which is wild, yeah, which is
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: still damaging, but it's not thousands of comments thous things.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: And so while that was really nice, sometimes I'm like, dang,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: it like I kind of watch I was in that era.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Because it just you know, from a business opportunity.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the comparison game is tough, and
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: I do that check a couple times week where I'm like,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: am I feeling a certain sadness or feeling a certain
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: way of comparison? And is it because I'm on social
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: media right now and I'm scrolling. Because I've always been
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: an advocate for social media, I've always said, like it
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: just watching tiktoks at night, like dumb dances like makes
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: me laugh, you know, it helps me stay connected to friends,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: if you know, maybe we don't have time to like
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: have a full on conversation in a month, you know.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: So I love social media, but I have recently been like, huh,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: like data noted there, Like am I doing that? I
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: think it's human nature to compare it just is. But
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I think I'm again because I have the awareness and
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: because I have that kind of like okay, like noted,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I'm able to make sure that I'm kind of just
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: keeping tabs on it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, I mean analyzing your inputs so
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: you can like understand your output. Yeah, and when you
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: notice a difference in your output that makes you feel
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: uncomfortable taking that sense of responsibility and being like this
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: doesn't serve me, or what is it that's not serving me?
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Or what is it that's different? Yeah, I think that
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: question can be super valuable. What is it that's different
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: right now that is causing the shift and feeling in
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: me that maybe I'm not taking stake in, maybe I'm
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: not paying attention to.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Of like what we were talking about about the importance
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: of feeling your feelings, like be cognizant of your surroundings
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: and ask yourself like am I setting myself up for
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: the best possible scenario?
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: And if not, like, are you choosing not to? Yeah?
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: And I also think the other piece of that that
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I went even further is like why do I not
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: have gratitude for my things? You know? And that's probably
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: the big number, the number one struggle for me right now.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people, but I'm like
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: what I'm literally I listed off like twenty things I'm doing,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: all these things like why in the world am I
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: not sitting here like crying with joy in this moment?
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: And those are the times where it then almost forces
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: me to be like, oh no, but like take a
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: look at that list that you just and that does
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: help me kind of move out of it. Yeah, And
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: so that's another thing that I'm I'm working on. And
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the grateful thing, the word grateful gratide tude is tough
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: for me because sometimes again I'm like, but I don't
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: know if I necessarily grateful in this moment for that.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: So I've shifted it to what good happened today? Like
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: what can I genuinely say, like what good happened? I
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: don't have to be grateful for in that moment, which
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: takes the pressure off. It's just like point again, I'm
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: just like I need to point it out, like be
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: aware what goold happened? And like every single day here
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I've been able to. I've been doing it here like
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: as an exercise, like what good happened today? And then
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: that helps kind of reel me back in from my
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: downward spiral of whatever I was looking out on social.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a girlfriend and I that are traveling together.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: At the end of each day we talk about the
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: peach and the pit, like the high and the low
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: of the day. And it's not so much to bring
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: attention to the low, but then it goes back to
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: what we were talking about.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: About learning from the low right.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: It's like, if this didn't go as I had hoped,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: then is there anything that's within my power to make
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: sure either that doesn't happen again or change that circumstance
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: for the next day.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, live and learn, period, Live and learn.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: For you now, outside of the work that you are
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: doing in Paris, talk to us a little bit about
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: what's exciting you, what you're working on.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm really really excited about our podcasts, the
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Unfiltered Waters podcast. It's I mean it's very very newly minted.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I just started it in January and just like literally
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: on a whim, I did this crazy and intensive called
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the Hoffmann process. I came out of it and I
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I feel like there's a
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: need for a female led sporting Yes, starting and swimming
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: and hoping to move out of it and do all
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: other sports, but I just feel like to have that
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: type of energy where it's going, you know, beneath the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: athlete into the person. And I was just like, we're
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: doing it, And obviously asked Missy and she was like yes.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: And so it's been a bit as you know, a
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: learning experience, and I'm like, oh, I just want.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: To start a podcast. It's like, hey, do you want
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to start a business?
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: You know, like all the logistics, the editing, all of it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: So I just feel like we're in a really good
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: spot with it. And so even being being at trials
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: and having people come up and share how we've been
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: impacted them and share who's listening and why it's important,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, you know, like when you're not in person,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: you don't get that. And so we've even gotten here
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: at the Olympic Games and so it's been very touching.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: It's been very motivating, very cup filling to have that.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: And then I just feel like I'm really happy with
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: like where my husband and I are in both of
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: our careers in our life. We moved to Nashville about
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: a year and a half ago and it's like the
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: best community.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: We have a million sauna coal plunges.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: That's all we do, and just I swear buying a
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: sauna is the best thing you can do for your
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: social life because people come over and you can't have
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: your phones. You're just like, we're going to go through
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: adversity together. In two hundred and twenty degrees and you
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: get to know someone on a very deep level. And
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: so I think that piece has also been really fun
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: to feel like we have this incredible community of people
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: around us that think that think very similarly and are
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: just going after it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: You can't have a sauna or a cold plunge in
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: your apartment in Brooklyn, like it just doesn't fit.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: So sadly, what about you have a balcony. Wouldn't that
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: be a dream? Wouldn't that be a dream inside? I've
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: seen people do it. Oh man.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I mean it's not coming in my home because we're
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: using that space as a recording studio.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: But maybe in another time. Okay, it's an option future,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: it's a future.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Aspiration for me, it's an aspirational accomplishment. I love the
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: why not me attitude that you spoke about when you
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: were talking about starting your podcast. I think as a podcaster,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: so often people come to me and they're like, I
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: want to start a podcast, but like there are so
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: many podcasts, And your attitude was like, not, I want
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: to start a podcast, but there are so many podcasts.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: You're like, no, I'm going to start a podcast for
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: someone that has a goal and aspiration regardless of what
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: it might entail, and they are not quite in that
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: place where they're channeling that why not Me energy. What
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: advice do you have to offer for someone who was
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: also chasing a dream that they might have?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I think, and this is not I wish this was
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: like a silver bullet answer. It's like, there's probably more
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: work work to be done internally, and I think that's
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: why I came out of People don't know. It's like
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: a week long intensive but I did a ton of
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: work around my shame and things that I was carrying.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: And I think the reason you don't have that why
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: not me, which was me for like seven years, is
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: because I hadn't come to terms with not feeling enough.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I hadn't, you know, understood why I reacted to certain
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: situations a certain way, Like there's so many things that
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: we thought it could be a hold a separate podcast.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: But I think I came out of that because I
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: had addressed those things and then it was instant. It
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: was an instant, but it was it felt instant in
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: that moment. And so I think a lot of times
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: when you see someone else do something like that, they're like, oh,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: how do they just like have that instant confidence and
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, that's not instant. It is not instant.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Grew overtime.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, grew over time, But I think that would be
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: My advice is like, do you know, kind of dive
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: deep a little bit and then it will come naturally.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: But you have to you have to go inward first
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: to figure out why you're not feeling that, because that
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: can I mean, it's the furthest thing from being able
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to force it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: You can't fake that, No, you really can't. You really can't.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: I would be remiss if we didn't at least double
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: click on talk a little bit about Hoffman, because you've
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: mentioned it twice now, So for those that aren't familiar
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: with what you experienced, what you went through, why didn't
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: you share a little bit about it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: So it's essentially a seven day long intensive. I mean,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: it's no phone, basically, anything that can distract you. There's
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: no workouts, there's no phone, there's no book, there's no computers,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: there's I mean literally you're yourself in front of you
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and you can't hide. And it's actually some mentor of
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: mine had gone and at the time I was in Nashville,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: everything was going great like businesses, the best house, the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: best friends, and I was crying every day and I
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, so it's not the external. I kept
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: being like, Oh, it's this job, it's this city. It's
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: like I just kept blaming it. And finally I was like, damn,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: it's me. And she told me about it and I
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: literally went signed up immediately, like didn't even research it
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: that much, put.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Down the deposet and was like I'm in.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: And it's very much based around just like the patterns
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: you develop as a kid from your parents, good batter
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: different and so it's just the awareness first and foremost
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: of those which I had, I maybe had awareness of
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: three of like the twenty of them, so that was
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: very eye opening. And then there's a lot of expression,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: so like kind of getting out a lot of the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: gunk that is built up over the years from a
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: verbal perspective, from a physical perspective, from a written perspective.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And then it's like the self compassion, awareness, forgiveness of others,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: forgiveness of yourself, and then new tools and ways of being.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: So that's kind of like the journey you go on.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: And the best word I have to describe as you
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: feel light come out and you feel light, and then
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: you feel like you have like the tools to then
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: move forward with life.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: And obviously you're it's not gonna be as perfect as
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the day you get out and you just feel angelic, but.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: You have those things to then carry you through to
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: be able to kind of face every day.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: From the way that you describe it, I would imagine
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: that it's actually quite difficult.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like I always use the phrase
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: excruciatingly beautiful, like that is the word I use because,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: oh my god, yeah, like you. I don't push it
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: on many really anyone, because it's if someone and I.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Saw people whereas like a spouse was like.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: You need to go in here, Like if you are
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: not ready to full commit, like one thousand percent commit
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: and be willing to go to that dark place, you
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: won't you won't see benefits from it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: So yes, it is.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: It is the hardest, one of the hardest things I've
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: ever done, but at the same time, like so worth it.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so worth it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: It's such a such a super interesting opportunity truly, and uh,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: the other thing that piqued my interest was when you
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: said that you exercised it in like a physical way.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: What did that look like?
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I need to know we'll get too too detailed in
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: case someone goes like that's the thing, Like you're oh.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So like is this the first don't talk about club?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people, I mean I've shared details with people.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: What people say like, you're not supposed to share details
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: because it's so whatever. But the thing that was super
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: unique is like, yeah, you actually have a device and
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: you're hitting things and you're hitting certain words and you're
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: hitting and I'm not I'm not super into those things.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: And so I came in and I someone had told
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: me about it, and I was like, Oh, that's going
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: to be so weird, but again, I'm going to full commit.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Within two minutes.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I was like uncontrollably crying, like and I was just like,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: what is happening?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: But it works? It works, and so I know there's
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of research around why it works.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: But I was just like, there's there's no way that
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: me hitting this thing how in the world. And I
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: was very mantra based and I just kept kept going.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's wild, especially being in a room
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: of like thirty people doing this.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: That was going to be the follow up question was
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: how many people are around you as you're experiencing.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: This, thirty people, but you feel like you're all the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: only one in the room. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty wild,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: but it's truly so well.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: And then when you came home, I know you said
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: that like individuals are there because their partners were like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: you should go to this, But did you feel as
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: though you wanted your husband to do it as well?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I actually didn't.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, he he was like I want He's all
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: about personal development and it's like, I'd love to go
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: to one similar but I feel like he's a pretty
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: self aware dude. And a lot of people are like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: everyone should go. I'm like, I actually don't agree with that.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I think some people should go. I think it would
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: benefit some people, but I don't necessarily think that it
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: would be what he would need.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, no, just super yeah.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Because a lot of people say that, they're like, oh
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: my god, I definitely have to spend myself so that
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: we can communicate in our Huffmann language.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, I think we're okay. I don't
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: know if everyone needs to do that. Now.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: As a part of your work this week, you've had
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: the opportunity to be a little over the place and
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: the best of ways checking out all the different venues,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: all the different sports. If you had to do something
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: that wasn't swimming at this point, with the exposure that
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: you've had, do you have an answer as to what
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: that would be beach volleyball?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, talk to me about the why Carrie Walls jennings
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Is become a really good friend. She's also yeah who
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: sports correspondent, and so just kind of interviewed her on
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: the podcast, so knowing her story and kind of knowing
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: a little bit behind the scenes of what they go
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: through and the excitement, and I just I've always been
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: such a fan.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Of beach volleyball.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Actually saw her and Missy May win They're Golden eight
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: against the Chinese like in the rain, Like it was
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: like a movie. So I think that one and then
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the close second would probably be a track and field.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I love to hear that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I also feel as though beach volleyball like would be
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: in my future. But I also like cannot get off
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: this idea that I would just love to play on
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: the US women's national team. If I had to choose
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: a sport, it would probably be women's soccer. Well, we
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: talked a lot about your history with swimming and of
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: course what your relationship is like with it now. Talk
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: to us about what your relationship is like now with
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: wellness as a whole and movement.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, So I feel like it's I feel like
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: for me, wellness is not really on like the mental side.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I actually don't like to work out. I'm being super promised.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I do it, and I do feel like on the
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: days that I don't move, I definitely have a you know,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: more cloudiness and I don't have as much sharpness in
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: my decision making and things like that. But I wish,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I wish I was someone who was like, oh, you
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: know what I really need today A run, Like I
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: just don't have that. Maybe I will one day, but
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I run. I do a CrossFit when I'm home. I
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: run two marathons in the past year. Did not like
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: it was not my.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Running signs up for two marathons. I kind of there's a.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Reason I got like pulled into one and my husband
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: was doing it and then he had a knee injury,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: so then I was kind of on my own.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: And then I'd already committed to the second one before I.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Finished the before I even did the first one, which
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: was a workie move and I was doing I did
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the New York City marathon, and I was working for
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: a charity, and so it was like on behalf of them,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: so it was bigger than myself.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: But then after that I was like, no, I'll do
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: half marathons.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: It's great, love that, but I think I just now
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: like I want to feel fit. I want to look fit,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: and so that's I you know, make sure I get
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: in five times a week and and that's good enough
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Do you feel, aside from obviously you vocalize that feeling
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: fit and maybe looking a certain amount of fit is
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: important to you, do you feel like any sort of
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: external pressure to incorporate these things in your life As
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: someone who is a former olympian.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 2: I feel pressure to answer that I like it, which
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I've gotten better at being like no, I actually really don't.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: People are like really or like they're like, you don't
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: swim anymore, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, and I'm like no, Like it just doesn't for me.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: So much of swimming, so much of at that point
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  Speaker 2: in my life was for performance, right, for being like
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: what filled me up? Was like trying to be the
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: best in the world, and so it wasn't like swimming
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: or those things. Even at an early age for me
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: was oh, I just like love this environment or this
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: environment helps my mind. It just I just don't think
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: it's how i've that's not how I fill up my
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: cup in that way. And I've tried everything, like I
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: really have. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go for
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: like a crazy lift. I'm gonna get excited about that,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: or I'm gonna go try to do a marathon and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: see if that and like, so I haven't quite found
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: it yet, but I'm also kind of like okay with that.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Like I had a lot of guilt associated with that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Like I so I finished the New York City Marathon
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: and I didn't have the emotion that I again thought
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I should have.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's all these.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: People around me like crying and in like I'm like oh,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: And then I felt guilt for not feeling that way.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And I think for me it was just like and
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I'm working on it, but like the completion thing didn't
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: make me feel proud of myself. Now I'm like I'm
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: like forty thousand, one hundred and thirty two place, right,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: and so that didn't do it for me, and I'm
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: kind of like.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's okay.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe my thing is in business and maybe that's where
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I'm you know, really striving for, and then the fitness
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: is now.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Just another thing that I'm doing. So it's been a
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: journey with that, for sure. It's been a journey.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: But the way that you describe in how you feel
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: is completely understandable and this broader notion of finding joy
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: in the journey. And for me, when there have been
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: times that I've gone after a goal that maybe I
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: should my should myself, should myself into, I realized when
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I got to that goal that it didn't feel as
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: sweet as a goal that I went after. That the
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: process was the thing that made me feel so good.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: And for instance, like I am likely going to run
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: the New York City Marathon in November, and as a
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: part of that, the reason that I want to run
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: the marathon has absolutely nothing with what's going to happen
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: on race day.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Well, it has nothing to do with how I finish
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: on race day.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: The reason that I want to do it is because
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: of the journey. It's because I know so many people
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: right now that are training not only for this race
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: but for Chicago.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: So many friends.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: It's such an opportunity to gather with them, and then
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: bigger than that, I want to go and have the
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: funnest day of my life. I have run this marathon
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: seven times and I have never gone out there and
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: like literally not for a second purely enjoyed it or
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: like just looked at what the last mile was like. Yeah,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: and so it's a journey thing, I think, And that's
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: something that truly has been a really beautiful understanding for me.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I've gotten older about the things that I do and
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: why I do them, and knowing that where there's a why,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: a strong why, there's a way, and then it's just
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: up to you to figure out what that way really entails.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree. Yeah, it has to be a strong why.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: You can't just be like, eh, okay, I guess we'll
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: do this. Well.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: This is like the people that went to Hoffmann and
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: then they were like not about it exactly, and they
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: didn't have a strong why, they just had a should yep,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: And that just as it isn't going to be the
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: thing you talked earlier about how you felt as though
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: you were supposed to do things a certain way, especially
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: when it came to your swimming career, people looked at
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: you certain a way as one time Olympic going into
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: your second Olympics. Now so many years later, when you
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: look in the mirror, what is it that you see
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: looking back at you.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I think I look at myself as someone who really
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: held my my head high and handled everything with grace,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Like I don't have any regrets in that, Like I
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: went to every single press conference, I was respectful of everyone.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I was a great teammate, and I think as a
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: point of pride as well, like I you know, looking
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: even looking at Olympic trials and looking at some of
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: the athletes who made it in three events, and I'm like,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I made it in like five individual events,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Like there's definitely a point of pride there now. And
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: even looking at like I swim four four hundreds and
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: six two hundreds the first day, first four days of the.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Games, like that's a lot. But in the moment, it's
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: just like no, this is just it's a lot, but
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: like this is just what I'm supposed to do.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: And so now looking back, I'm like, dang, like you
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: kind of like rocks it out. That's awesome, you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: So definitely a lot more pride. Still some twinge of
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: you know, saying three time medalist and not three time
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: goal medalists, But I would say overall pride.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: And then beyond being an athlete, what is it that
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: you see when you look in the mirror.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Then are now? No?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Now I would say just a great I would say
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: a great mentor a great friend, and a I would
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: say successful professional woman.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how does that make you feel when you say it? Weird? Yeah?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I feel like I think, I think this is what
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I see, But yeah, I think that that's still a
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: work in progress for sure. But I think the piece
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: that let me up the most was just that some
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: of the athletes have reached out to me and asked
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: for advice, and so I'm like, Wow, the fact that
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I was able to be there in that moment because
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: of things I've gone through meant so much, so much.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: What a beautiful opportunity that is.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm hearing you say is that there's so
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: many opportunities ahead, and some of them may entail a
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: lot of things that are unknown, But the unknown is
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: an opportunity to.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Get excited as well. Exactly.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm so happy that we have the opportunity. But
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: just sit down for a little bit here today. For
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: those that might not follow along with you just yet
• 35:57
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• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, so on a personal level, it's just KT Hop seven.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And then for the podcast, it's Unfiltered Waters.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Podcast beautiful, I'm over at Emily a Body and at
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  Speaker 1: Gotch you guys, next time.