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Episode 36: Santy’s Grave · The Tom & Gerry Show Podcast

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Tom, you can't stop it now.
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  Speaker 2: Just here now, just here, now, Christmas cards are going
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: postman when he lends in on a Saturday morning. You
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  Speaker 2: know that's it's a foot. There's no getting away from it.
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  Speaker 1: I have milk in the fridge with a used by
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  Speaker 1: date Pat the twenty fifth. That's when you know you're
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: in it.
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  Speaker 2: It does the milk have like the milk Carten doesn't have,
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  Speaker 2: like snowflakes and stuff on it? You know, did I
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  Speaker 2: haven't been paid attention to still do that. You didn't
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  Speaker 2: check it was Christmasy milk, but it had out snowflakes
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  Speaker 2: if it's a holly on the side of it, like you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, I'm not gonna go down now and check. But
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  Speaker 1: here we are. Yeah, Christmas is coming. I'll tell you
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: what's not coming in anytime soon. Tom an introduction to
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  Speaker 1: this show about don't do one. Harry is keeping and
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  Speaker 1: welcome along to the Tom and Jerry Show. I am
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  Speaker 1: Jerry McBride, he is Tom, o'man and me Happy Christmas
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: because we're in it now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It just you know, you can't do the outflitting go true,
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  Speaker 2: don't belong coming around, you know. But in all fairness,
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  Speaker 2: I personally have had a very busy year, so this
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  Speaker 2: has absolutely gone. What only that some of the stuff
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  Speaker 2: we moved what happened to be to Christmas decorations and
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  Speaker 2: they just got the lended in the hall of it right,
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  Speaker 2: better get them up.
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  Speaker 1: So that's it. Yeah, And a little little background on
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  Speaker 1: the on the show here, guys, a little behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: We were going to do a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: spiel today about bin guides for Christmas. I talk about
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  Speaker 1: bins all in the run up to Christmas, and we
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  Speaker 1: were going to do a bit of a segment on that.
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  Speaker 1: No point because by the time you hear this, the
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  Speaker 1: last green bin will have passed for a great number
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  Speaker 1: of you. And if you are among them and we
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  Speaker 1: weren't here to help you, hey, the show is next year.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I led you in the secret no green being
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  Speaker 2: on this fucking world would have started me in the
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  Speaker 2: last few weeks with the amount of cardboard. Anybody's ever
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  Speaker 2: moved into new house knows what that's all about. Like
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  Speaker 2: Likedicus like w w E levels of silliness in the
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  Speaker 2: amount of cardboard I had, like like doing the cloud
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  Speaker 2: levels of cardboard. It was to.
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  Speaker 1: Be fair, Tom, you've just moved into a house and
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that you had a bunch of stuff that
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  Speaker 1: came in box. So this is not your natural I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't want to. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: bring anybody down, but like, we're not prepared for this
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  Speaker 1: year rubbish wise, it's the first year of that El
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  Speaker 1: murraya recycling thing. You don't know, bottle from can. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, Tom.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna let you in the secret. That's
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  Speaker 2: why I'll tell you about the ridiculous amount of cardboard
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  Speaker 2: we had. There was no bin in the world. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't get rid of this till twenty twenty eight
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  Speaker 2: if I was drinching in every week. So no, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't go around the neighbors bins and start stuffing into
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  Speaker 2: that tending as much as it was, I didn't. What
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  Speaker 2: it did was I loaded up the doubtful too to
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  Speaker 2: the municipal dump. Every town has one, every city has
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  Speaker 2: a lash of them. They'll take cardboard if it's halfway clean.
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  Speaker 2: Lets interst some of my cardboard that I was giving
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  Speaker 2: my stuff that were we had down on the floor
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  Speaker 2: to protect the Jordan work. If you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't spotless, but the man took one looking at it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's find us back in there for nothing, nada, Jerry, not.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: And I'd like to be said for a big win,
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  Speaker 2: a big.
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  Speaker 1: Win for the other any household there now, I will say,
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  Speaker 1: you've got circumstances there, Tom, because you've got new house
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  Speaker 1: cardboard generally going to the dump. We could all go
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  Speaker 1: to the dump town. You should be able to get
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  Speaker 1: it all into your household bins. We can all go
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  Speaker 1: to the dump. We can all hand our older brother
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  Speaker 1: the controller to get us through the tough parts of
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  Speaker 1: a computer game that we're too childish to handle ourselves through.
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  Speaker 1: To play the game properly, you got to play the
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  Speaker 1: win wady.
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  Speaker 2: Oh listen, I know, I know, and it was you
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  Speaker 2: won't find me. They will go there too often. I
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  Speaker 2: will find a way, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know what I mean. You're like me, Tom, If you're
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  Speaker 1: going to the dump, it's to find something.
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  Speaker 2: I would you get back with two fucking lights.
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  Speaker 1: Right like if I like I'm not talking about I
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  Speaker 1: go to the dumb for like you know, painter or
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  Speaker 1: anting like that, although you could get all the paint
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  Speaker 1: you wanted. I'll go to the dump, and I'll get like,
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  Speaker 1: if I need a skid, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if I need if I need a skid of timber
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  Speaker 1: or something like that, or if I need a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a plank. You know, I'll go down to the
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  Speaker 1: dump on the false pretenses and then you point go
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  Speaker 1: and is that your is that yo going going the free?
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of skids, Tom, this show is a massive dangerous
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  Speaker 1: skidding off the rails. So we got it back on track.
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: Do it?
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  Speaker 1: Do it good stuff? Yes, indeed we're keeping at Christmasy
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  Speaker 1: all the month of December. So we're gonna go into
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  Speaker 1: the first segment of the show. As loyal listeners will know,
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  Speaker 1: is the weekly what have You? When we talk about
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  Speaker 1: the big news, the scuttle boy, Tom, you know yourself,
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  Speaker 1: the weekly what have You? This is a very complicated case,
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  Speaker 1: mod you know, a lot of a lot of out,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of what have you, and h a lot
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  Speaker 1: of strands to keep in my head.
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  Speaker 2: Man got bust. Yeah, Well it's not going to be
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  Speaker 2: the one that Jerry preempted you of anyway, And he
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  Speaker 2: told you that he's not going to be and it
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  Speaker 2: was we were preparing we'd work and time put into it.
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  Speaker 2: But then this one popped up in front of us,
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  Speaker 2: So it's not going to binge at. That'll be an
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  Speaker 2: over that done probably post Christmas more and then against.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's your bins are gone, Like I say,
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  Speaker 1: I forget about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, tis what to do after the fact.
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  Speaker 2: But this is a good one.
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  Speaker 1: This is a good one, Tom, This is a good one.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of stories now that that that cropped up
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  Speaker 1: over the week. Me and Tom, like we always talk
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  Speaker 1: about what we're going to talk about and what suits
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  Speaker 1: the show the best, so we didn't We're not going
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  Speaker 1: to get into your man the CEO getting shot in
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  Speaker 1: New York because that's all well worn territory, shall we say,
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  Speaker 1: And we don't. We don't, we don't contone such things.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, ah, is it to be
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  Speaker 1: honest with you?
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  Speaker 2: When you had said it to me and I went,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, and then when two seconds later it's just
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  Speaker 2: about bins, it was like, I'm not looking up that one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't here now yeah, yeah, so is it a
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of these ones where like you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's like who shot mister burns like your man, and
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  Speaker 1: we don't. We don't like to see anybody, you know,
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  Speaker 1: take a life for it like that. But your man
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  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have been in a very nice person.
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  Speaker 1: I could be out of pocket here, Tom. Maybe he
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  Speaker 1: was lovely and a friend of fury woodland creatures, who knows,
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  Speaker 1: But he's not who we talked about, because there was
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  Speaker 1: someone even nicer, someone was definitely on the nice list,
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  Speaker 1: not the nautilist, if you get what I mean. That's
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  Speaker 1: Santa Claus himself. Tom. They found this week the grave
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  Speaker 1: of Santa.
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  Speaker 2: Claus, the sarcophagus, I mean, and what's hilarious? Would I
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  Speaker 2: looked at it like they were full sure because they
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  Speaker 2: have they have his his remains in where him in Italy,
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  Speaker 2: don't they?
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  Speaker 1: Well there's a lot going on here, Tom, because this
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  Speaker 1: turned up.
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  Speaker 2: It was literally like somebody just went have we looked
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  Speaker 2: over there? And it was no? Just is it all
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  Speaker 2: from where they the Church of Saint Nicholas is? Maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's over over there.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I mean, here's the thing, okay, Santa beloved the Santa.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The long standing joke is did you hear about the
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  Speaker 1: cave and Man's Christmas he took the children to see
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  Speaker 1: Santie's grave. Actually it's not right, which I you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's a real sort of yuk yuck kind of a thing.
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  Speaker 1: And and and shout out to my brethren over there
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  Speaker 1: in in Cavan, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, with the facts.
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  Speaker 1: The rivalry is real. But we love you.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that we're about to put out there. It's
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  Speaker 2: just he took him to Yeah, exactly, it's not a
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  Speaker 2: bad holiday, not about al John.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you got the teeth done as well while he
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  Speaker 1: was at it. Listen, here's the thing right, this should
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  Speaker 1: we're we're all over the place now. Ah, here's the
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  Speaker 1: thing right. Santa Claus was Saint Nicholas, and Saint Nicholas
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  Speaker 1: is a saint, which means the man lived at one
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  Speaker 1: stage and is now dead. So that is just facts, Tom,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Saint Nicholas is dead. The legend of Santa
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  Speaker 1: Claus lives on, and the spirit of Santa Claus lives
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  Speaker 1: up in the North Pole, and the Santa Claus that
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  Speaker 1: visits boys and girls on Christmas Eve is very much
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  Speaker 1: alive up in the North Pole. But Saint Nicholas is
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  Speaker 1: dead as fuck. Right, He's dead, like all of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be dead. As we discovered, if
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  Speaker 2: anybody wants to go back as far as the Deli
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  Speaker 2: parton episode, you actually have to be dead because.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta be dead be a saint. That was the
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  Speaker 1: one thing that kept her out of it. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: a couple other things as well. Yeah, So Saint Nicholas, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of this that I know I learned today,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Saint Nicholas was born in twenty seventy eighty
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  Speaker 1: and died in three hundred and forty three eighty twenty
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  Speaker 1: seventy h No, No, that's yes, that's Christmas yet the
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy eighty. It's hard when you say
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  Speaker 1: it like that. Yeah, And here's the thing to him,
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  Speaker 1: Like they know what day and eighty was born. He's
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  Speaker 1: born in March to fifteenth and died in December the
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  Speaker 1: six stage seventy three years of age. Like that's mighty
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  Speaker 1: specific for one hundred and sixty sixteen hundred years ago,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yes, if we're writing the stuff today on the
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  Speaker 2: computer and all of a sudden we get an EMT strike,
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  Speaker 2: nobody knows not about that.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody knows not. No, when some fellow was bored.
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  Speaker 2: Let's be honest. You don't get from you know, he
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  Speaker 2: was probably higher highbred hybrid person. They wrote that shit
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  Speaker 2: into stones, jir.
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  Speaker 1: They chiseled that into what I mean, So all.
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  Speaker 2: The EMT strikes or floods of the world a're gonna
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  Speaker 2: wash off his data birth. So I'm one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: believe that he was seventy three when he passed away.
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  Speaker 1: There we go, Okay, it's fair enough. Okay, And he's
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  Speaker 1: born and he's dead, so we must be buried somewhere. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: he's turning into soup and oil summer. Okay. Come to
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  Speaker 1: find out, Yes, tur he was born in Turkey or
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  Speaker 1: there was known there Anatolia at the time, and and
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  Speaker 1: and died there as well. But here's the thing. There
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  Speaker 1: have been like many many rumored resting places for Saint Nicholas.
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  Speaker 1: More on that in a little second, Okay, but we
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  Speaker 1: can confirm that he has been found while they were
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  Speaker 1: doing up a church in Turkey, and it was like
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  Speaker 1: not for nothing, Saint Nicholas church, So I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was a good place as any to start looking at. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have the archaeologist out of that day
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  Speaker 2: variously just give it again there there before we've dropped
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  Speaker 2: the boocket in. Oh, there's a sarcophagus, And.
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  Speaker 1: This doesn't appear to have been like you remember this
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  Speaker 1: the founder man what do you call him? Richard the
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  Speaker 1: Third where nobody knew where he was buried, like he
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  Speaker 1: got he got got and got dumped and buried somewhere
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  Speaker 1: and then lo and behold the dug up car park
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  Speaker 1: in the Phantom.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not like that.
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  Speaker 1: They kind of knew that he was buried here somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: or at least that there was a saint buried here,
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  Speaker 1: rumored to be Saint Nicholas, and the place is named
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  Speaker 1: after him, So why the hell wouldn't it be right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be weird if it was saying, Jerry, do
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  Speaker 2: you know exactly?
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  Speaker 1: Like and lo and behold that Like as Tom said,
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  Speaker 1: there they put the back over the JCB down into
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  Speaker 1: the ground and started hoking, smashing, and they found the
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  Speaker 1: sarcophagus of Saint Nicholas. Why God, like, that's that's big
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  Speaker 1: news on any given day. Okay. I like to think
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  Speaker 1: they timed it until December just to get a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of extra wire into it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, do you know what they're slow enough today
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  Speaker 2: out raised a lot of times in Turkey and they
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  Speaker 2: have more of the coolest stuff under the ground there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what their reversion like. They had to
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  Speaker 2: wait till they were going to doun up the church
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  Speaker 2: to go give the place a look under the ground,
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  Speaker 2: like if like the place, go Beckley Teppy. Do you
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: heard the go Beckley Teppy?
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  Speaker 1: No, what's that?
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  Speaker 2: Oh Jesus Christ, Oh, Jesus Christ. So you know the
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  Speaker 2: way they just reckoned. Ah, yeah, we were hunt togethers
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  Speaker 2: then we built pyramids and that was that about four
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  Speaker 2: to five thousand years ago. And then they went, hold on,
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  Speaker 2: what the fuck this farmer just pulled literally kicked over
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  Speaker 2: a stone in his field one day. Just must clean
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  Speaker 2: out them fucking stones. And then it turns out he
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: was on a giant hill and when he don't get
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  Speaker 2: back a bit, he it Wait a fucking minute. There's
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  Speaker 2: a whole advanced civilization have built like a city down here.
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  Speaker 2: And when they dated, they went, well, we can only
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  Speaker 2: date about twelve thousand years, that's as far as we
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  Speaker 2: can date. This could be fucking way older. So theyd
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: proper buildings and everything down. So that was in Turkey
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  Speaker 2: and since then for some reason they went, that's enough
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  Speaker 2: of that digging.
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  Speaker 1: They went, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, what
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  Speaker 1: I should find?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they genuine no, no, no no, the Turkish could
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  Speaker 2: not really do it. That's enough now, But there's.
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  Speaker 1: I'd said, that could be something like, you know, if
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: you find something that belongs to somebody and it kicks
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  Speaker 1: up a whole catt of worms there, you know, No
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  Speaker 1: that they can.
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  Speaker 2: Do like the cannon are they can override that, take
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing. Know what they said was the reason
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  Speaker 2: for going, No, no, we plenty load of trees on
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  Speaker 2: this now. They went, wait, there's ricks more of the
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  Speaker 2: city and stuff like that over there. They're really advanced.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen the ground, and should we do do what
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  Speaker 2: we're doing this minute. What we'll do is we'll put
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  Speaker 2: Kaybosch in this for one hundred and twenty five years,
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  Speaker 2: and I'd say we'll be right good at looking at
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  Speaker 2: the things in one hundred and twenty five years. So
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  Speaker 2: that's what we'll do. Now, pack it up, how do
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  Speaker 2: you go? And no, there's no wonder it's taken fuck
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  Speaker 2: eighteen hundred years from the fucking find Santa Claus. Well,
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: here's here's the thing when they we're going to build
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  Speaker 2: an extension to the georch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're putting They're putting in a heat pump or something.
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  Speaker 1: They're putting in the geoterminals, so they are at the back.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, So if you want to visit the the
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: last remains of Saint Nicholas, you can do it. It's
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: a tank called Antalia in Turkey. So if you're over
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: getting the hair and teeth done, nip down and you
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  Speaker 1: can take the kids to see Santa Claus. But here's like,
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: here's where I have to comment. Yeah, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what it is. They founded this man because I was
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: full sure that Saint Nicholas was buried in Ireland. No, okay,
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: let me walk in it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I had that in my own head too. Yeah yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a couple of there's a couple of things. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Saint Nicholas is allegedly buried in Barry in Italy. Okay,
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: so there's a term to Saint Nicholas in Barry in Italy,
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  Speaker 1: and it contains many relics of Saint Nicholas, and then
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: other are other googles. I did said that it contains
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: the remains of St. St Nicholas. I'm like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: so like did the cut them in half and bury
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  Speaker 1: a wee bitten Barry and we bitten Turkey? Like what
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  Speaker 1: are we finding here? Where's the bones? Show me the bones? Okay?
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: I want to dig up Santy's bones and fucking play
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  Speaker 1: drums with them. Okay. And if that's like what's and
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  Speaker 1: if that's buried in Turkey and what's buried in Barrie
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  Speaker 1: is they're like they say relics, so like you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know that, you know, you know the church loves
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  Speaker 1: a relict town. Oh yeah, the love and relicts. So
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  Speaker 1: it could be clothed or or like chair I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a couple of places lay and claim to
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  Speaker 1: having his remains, and then and then tum there's County
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  Speaker 1: kill Kenny where there is a slab on the ground
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  Speaker 1: at a church in Chairpoint that claims to be the
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  Speaker 1: final resting place.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing. Yeah, that was always something I remember
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  Speaker 2: my brother telling me. It was no newt is that
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Saint Nicholas is buried Kenny. And my argument was, why
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: is there Saint Nicholas church, albeit Church of Ireland in Dublin,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Like how would the canby as was the can said? Whatever?
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: But well here's the here's here's the thing, right, okay,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Like I believe the Ireland story because Saint Valentine of
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, his heart is an angel street in Dublin,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: tis true, not not just like on the street, like
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: it's in a church. And that's that's a that's a
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: candid fact. Now, if you wanted any part of Saint Valentine.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: It will be as heart, right of course, would big
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: arr and.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: And and if you wanted two parts of Saint Nicholas,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: you can tell you what the other part you'd want, right,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: But if you had to have just one, it would
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: be his heart. And that's in Ireland. That's in Dublin.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: You can go see that if you're so inclined. I
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: don't know that the legend legend handle it or I
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: don't know if you can physically see it like the
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: head of Oliver blanket or not. But it's there, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: And that's not disputed. That's not like there's another there's
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: not another place in Croatia claimant to have it. That's there. Yeah.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: So that led me to believe it wasn't that strange
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: to me that there would be a tomb to Saint
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Nicholas somewhere in the Midlands. Both it's very possibly not
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: it at all, and it's very possible, nay, shall we
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: say certain fact that there is a church to Saint
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Nicholas in Kilkenny and there was some sort of ornate
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: tombstone at it, and through time, through legend and through
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: people saying oh yeah, well if the term is if
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: the if the Church of Saint Nicholas, that's clearly Saint
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Nicholas's grave. Ah, that's that's what's in that's what's in.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Newton Jr.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Point.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: The boats of Saint Nicholas are not there.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd only made you'd kind of go through. I mean,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: but they have brought bones of people to different places.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: And stuff like that. But that's the that's the that's
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: the that's the what do you call the lads, the Crusaders,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the knights, what do you call them? The Normans and
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the knights templar what they yeah, all them buys, yeah
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah. But they would just they would just go.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: The Crusaders would go and and and got out the
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Middle East and bring stuff back. Good job, they don't
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: do that anymore. Tom, that went away, that went away with.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: The bicycle, Thank god that went away.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then brought it back. And I guess, like,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not beyond the realms possible that it
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: would land and kill Kenny. But no, categorically no, I'm sorry,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: it's not there.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Sorry taller Kenny listeners who are absolutely had based their
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: entire life story.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: If you want this though, if you wanted anything, right, okay,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: like we have Saint Valentine's heart, Like, what would you
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: want of Saint Nicholas. He'd want his hat, wouldn't you.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: It's gonna say his beard has his beard state detected?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: He'd want his hat like he would have had, like
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: a bishop's hat. What's a bishop's hat called?
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: That word? Don't look it up. Don't look it up.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Let them tell us. They will tell us, please tell us.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and really do tell us this time, like
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: let us know in the comments. Yeah, yeah, what is
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: a bishop's hat called? I know his stick is a crosier.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: It's been a long time.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, you don't want don't
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: go digging. I don't want you to find it. Out.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I want them them to tell us. So yeah, I
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: mean there's someone will someone Someone shouted me across the
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: street like the little Jerry it's animous and I'll be like,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I don't what the fuck does that keep walking kids?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: So they haven't revealed what they've opened the two, but
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: did they find it inside it?
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, Tommy, you don't open your presence for Christmas?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I know you do, right enough? So because in the
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: same story was like, yeah, they found his tomb. Why
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: would you ever do if you're blended and taking bits?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: But then maybe he was never planned to be left there.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe they just took like his I don't know, his
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: fever to bury in Italy.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: This is it. This is like the remains, you know.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I reckon that? And how did Saint Nicholas die? Hang
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: on that much? I am gonna look up.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I had seventy seventy three in the year three hundred.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Sure that man was fucking the Tusla people were living
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: til fucking four. Do you know what I mean?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Like you're not.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: He was fucking ancient.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta tell you. Yeah, yeah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: let me have a look here now, Sorry, I know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I know it's not the best podcast, just to sit
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and watch a chap read Wikipedia. Not great audio. But
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: here we are.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: We're doing it for the people because they'd have to
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: do the same thing as well. And you're look at it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: We're just taking another of people's hands.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: But do you want to know how? You don't know
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: how Saint Nicholas became a saint. One of his miracles?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: What was? What was his miracles?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: And I can tell you one right, One miracle was
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: that he brought three children back to life. The children
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: had been murdered, murdered and they had been pickled in
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: brine by a butcher who was going to sell them
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: as pork. And Saint Nicholas heard that and said no,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: not having it, and brought them back to life.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Of course, because I was my next question, or was
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: going to be somewhere down along the light. Was it
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: was Turkey? I'd say, Nicholas of Christian face, because Turkey
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: is a Muslim country now butcher, of course, Islam didn't
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: really commit to effect for another two hundred and nine.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Years, so relative relatively new as they think.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, right, because the first thing they picked
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: would pickled pork. Best to look to find that Turkey
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: these days.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean this is it too? No, I and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: he probably did that thing, you know, I never see
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: that thing. The turkishpies do it with the ice cream
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: cone and they make him. They make it around, make it,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the flip it around all that. It's smart to keep
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: it going. I don't want it. You've been handling it,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and every other funcker handling it. You know he'll be
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: all right, don't want it to stick your ice cream? Uh? Yeah, No,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I can't find out how he died by all accounts.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: At at a glance, Tom, Yes, there's bits of this
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: man everywhere, like you could, as you say yourself, you'll
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: find a femur in Tyrone.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at seventy three, Elvis and Barrier the second or
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: third century at seventy three year. I don't think he
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: came off his fucking hardly at bike week, you know.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: What I mean. No, he wasn't. Yeah, yeah, he's not
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: city slickers. He wasn't killing the bar fighter.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I think he was probably considered the most age would be.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: That's why they probably made him a say it because
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: he just lived so long.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: That was his third miracle. Yeah, he lived so long.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he kind of had to get it at
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: that said, there you go, ladies and gentlemen. You can
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: tell the children that's not the closet dead. You don't
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: have to buy it. You know, they don't have to
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: ask him Forend in their letters rock and roll, Job John, Tom,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: job done.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: We should probably put a precursor to the top of
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: this is don't play it in the car on the
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: way and the school run.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, we actually we will. Yeah, not suitable
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: for children. To be fair, I don't think your.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Average person plays those in the car in front of
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the children on a fucking school school run anyway.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Bed with that being said, time, I don't think our
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: listeners are the average person, rightenve And I mean that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: in the nicest possible way. We love you all, which
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I actually I was gonna spoil a Spotify thing, but
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about that later on. We'll talk about that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: later on, Tom, because we've got to get this show
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: on the road. It's getting closer to Christmas, and that's
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Santa Claus in the ground. Well we got to talk
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: now another lad because yes, there is Santa Claus, there
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: is that lad, yes, but every week there's this ladad
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Tom, there's like.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: This lad, this lad, and much like last week in
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: the Road of the Christmas. What we're gonna do is
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: pick a fellow who is a listen to Christmas or
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: at least synonymous with Christmas for one reason or another.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Not straight on the nose, because that's not how my
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: self and Jerry do it. We're not about to do
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: a you know, a deep dive into Rudolph.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: And the Fall, you know, the dark radio that would
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: be good radio.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: The dark days of Rudolph before the nose truly told
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: the story. No, this lad, I picked him. I message
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: you straight away after the last one, and we have
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: to do something on this guy. There's a perfect opportunity to.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Do it because I was sitting there.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: It's sitting there. It's a great story that I wanted
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: to talk about for ages, and he's the reason why
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: he's synonymous with Christmas, at least some of his his
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I suppose his art, his works, his works are synonymous
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Christmas because he wrote Charlie in the Chocolate Factory, which everybody,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: whether Britain and are British and Irish know full well
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: whether it's actually much like that heard, whether it is
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: actually a Christmas movie or not, it doesn't matter a shit.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: It comes on every single Christmas, and you're not synonymous
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: every single Christmas. I guess this is the chocolate thing.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: It could be synonymous with Easter too, for the same
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: same thing. But it's got a Christmas vibe going on,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: and everybody, you won't watch it any other time of
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the year, but you'll watch it at Christmas. Talking about
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: of course the author of that and many other of
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: all the books we've read this children roll.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Down, rolled out, and we are rolled out fan.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Growing up, I was I couldn't couldn't help it, but
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I liked I like the stuff I was reading. He
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: was like a fellow who was writing it for bowl leads,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you know, And.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: That is exactly what it was. And I think a
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: lot of children of our age of Ervin she you're
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: kicking children's orders out of the way. These days were
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: good and for ill. Like I will tell you, not
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: every celebrity needs to write a children's but that much now, Okay, appreciate,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I appreciate Wheel's got a turn, But sometimes I'll see, now,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: why are you writing the book? What have you got
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to bring? Sorry? But at the time back when we
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: were coming up Rolldell, I believe was I'm going to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: speak for myself and like we say, Tom Worth the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: protagonists of life. So if it's true for us, it
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: must be true for everybody. But roll Dal was the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: first author I would.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Read willingly, oh one hundred yeah, from Pleasure and you know,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: from a distance, the quintessential quintin Blake, Yes.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Illustration, the illustration all had such a look and a
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: feel and a sense. And it was, you said yourself, lads,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: there was something mischievous about it. And it wasn't like
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: you were being told to sit down and read it.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: You would willingly read it. And I came into Rolldal
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: like late enough that he only released two books live
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: shall we say. I remember like hearing that he was
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: about to release Matilda and I hadn't you know, I'd
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: read everyting up at that point, and I had to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: wait around for a new roll Dal book to come out.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: And then after that he released se O Trott and
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I had to wait around for that and any date, Yeah, I.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Think se Trotter, I think I'm either around the same.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I'd say, it was like, what so he's got there's
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: another one? So yeah, yeah, I do remember the top.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: We all remember the books.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Chair, We all remember the books. And a lot of
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: people write books Tom that don't get into this land territory.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: No, they do not, because there's a there has to
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: be a level of coolness about you. There has to
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: be something you've done. Let me tell you, this guy
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: pre breating, a book writer for children, was a pretty
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: cool son of a bitch. He didn't come up like
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: a celebrity like load of the fuckers that are writing nowadays,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: or you know, go off to arts college and just
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: smoked weed and then before he knew it he found
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: himself writing a book. No, this guy was brought up Whales,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: but to well healed Norwegian parents. Yes he had a
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: just a I'm not going to get into his childhood
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: and stuff, but they sent him to fairly part schools.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna way because they had money or whatnot.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: But yes, he always had a bit of a buzz
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: for adventure about him.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: He you know, he went off and climbing tricks and
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: all the rest of it. But he the hola died,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: passed away, and but the mother stayed. She went. No,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: he he wanted them raised here in England to go
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: to good schools. I'll do that and they can make
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: their own choice after that. We're staying here rather and
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: go back to wealthy Norway. Like then they must need
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: So the roll stuck around and went straight into after school,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: went straight into as a well heeled fellow would work
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: for shell oil out in Tanzania. Yes, had a great
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: fucking time put in things like you know, proper, proper
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: trekking around the place and stuff. But as soon as
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: his opportunity came up the start of World War two
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: thirty nine, off he treked to the farm. It was
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: actually across Tanzania's again, but go train with the the
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: ref He was like, yes, sign me up. This guy
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: drove like some book of a scrap for six hundred
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: miles across the desert. Was like sign me up. You're like,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: all right, you've signed up. But like absolute heaps of
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: shit that they put him in. But he was like,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I don't care. He was like twenty two or twenty
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: one years of age at the time. He's like, yeah,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: they put him into the first place. They had the
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: coolest names. This was called the tiger moth.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: It was a tiger moth.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a single seater diesel dumper of it
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: injured that the thing it probably had the pull start
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: to complete at the front of it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: You know, I want to tell you Tom now and
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: our own, my own and indeed your own opinion on
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the commons and goings of the British Army are well documented.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: We're certainly no fans of Our Majesty's armed forces. The
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Air Force now is a different story. The R A
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: F cool is cool, Yeah, I will I will say that.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, yeah, they never as best as
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I understand, they never flew spitfires over across McGlenn. So
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I can have enough of a disconnect to think, yeah,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you know what, the tiger motts and the hurricanes and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the spitfires, that's cool. Here's the thing, and this is
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: why I think I'll give them that.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I think this is why we're okay with it because
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: many many men and have met men that are in
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the British Army and stuff like that, and they would
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: have to be the same sentiments. So they don't like
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the top brastler to the decisions that they make and
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: force them to go places they want to go. But
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: they can take great pride in the fact that they
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: can fly Commanchi fucking helicopters. You know that kind of
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: way is like, oh, Jesus Christ, that's a pretty cool
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: that's a pretty cool thing, you know. So you know
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: they get they're they're working class people who working you know.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: It isn't the suits in London that these fellas are
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: represent you know. So I'm sure at the time it
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: was everything was you know, you're at the frontier of
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: discovering shit too, Like it's nineteen thirty nine. You're as
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: phys as a fiddle. They tell you, Yeah, into the tiger, mate,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: you go rolled not a bother on you. And he
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: was a charman who already a tall, good looking fellow
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: charman who exactly what you hope you would be if
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: you lived back then.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, of course he wait, this gets even better.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Things kick up a gear. He's qualified to move on
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: to the next level of train he goes to Iraq
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to train in. When you hear this for Gloucester Gladiator,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: this is the thing that caught me.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, yes, I mean, like, you know, these
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: days most planes are like, oh they're the five seventy five,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: except and all this kind of thing and back in
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the day. It's like, oh, there he is in a
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Sherry Bobbins, you know, popping around the place.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I did forget. I did forget to say too they
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I mean people will. I'm sure there's been plenty done,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: and there has been plenty on his where his inspiration
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: for his writing came from. And most of it actually
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: seems to come from his childhood. You'll find that. But
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: one story stuck out to me. It was brilliant. He
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: was in school and there was three other lads who
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: was friends. The three of them used to get the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: living shit whipped out of them cana. But they snooked.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: They went down to a local sweet shop and there's
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: angry a weapon of a one they got, they chase,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: they got the arses kane off them into her jar
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: of gob stoppers. They put a dead mouse. Yes, but
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: he built the story out of it as well, like
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: you know the story of the four and the deadly
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: gob stoppers and she but she became trudgeable in his
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: because she was always a weapon, like.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: He didn't have to go far. And I remember reading
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: if you want to read any of the stories of
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: of this now, we're not going to read this directly
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: out of Wikipedia, but he details these and he wrote
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: two autobiographies. One was called Boy and the other was
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: called Going Solo. And I read both of those when
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I was ten towns and I don't remember. There's a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: very little thing that I remember here and there. I
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: remember the the mouse gobstopper instant. I also remember a
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: story when he was in Darius, Lam or wherever it was,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the local language were warning him of lions and ship
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: like that, and like that's how he learned that in
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the local language Tanzania or wherever it was, that the
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: word for lion was simba, right, and that stuck with
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: me all the way through. So the Lion King came out,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: which now in hindsight was only about five years later.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Simba, okay, so that's that's the
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that's the literal word for lion. And I learned that
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: from rolled out.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: There you go, yeah, yes, so hel is the language.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: So he flew the glass the Gloucester Dart or the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Glocester Gladiator is what he ended up in.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: But he also flew a hawk or dart while training
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: But he was actually surprised, like when he got to
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: the Glasster Gladiator We're like, okay, so we'll teach you
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: how to fly it, and were like, yeah, but you
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: kind of teach us how to fight in it, right,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: h well, you know Jesus Christ. Okay, but he up,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: he goes and he was with his his co pilot
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and they now, I don't know if he'd
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: had many fights at this stage, because he did get
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: into a bunch of good fights and shot had they
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: can't really calculate him out. He shuts shot down, but
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: through a mild bit of investigation because the bridges weren't
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: great for hanging on to, I suppose evidence from you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: reporting and stuff from from fights. He did end up
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: in his pilot, but like labeled in a pilot, but
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: this particular one he's flying. He he was there were
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: they were to go to Egypt. Now, of course they
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: gave him the completely wrong destination where they sent him
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: because they thought because at first the lads just thought
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: they did something wrong, but they didn't. They went exactly
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: where they told him. But no man's land in the
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: middle and over in no airstrip, run on of fuel
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: road says he'll put it down the fucking artse caught
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: a boulder he went flying his other his co pilot,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: not about that, rolled like a baby on a rug,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: not a bother time, rolled and cracked his head on
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: a rock, actually cracking his skull and smashing his nose up.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: They were able to radio for help armed forces.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Not all good crack lads, no, but they.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Got him back to the hospital after a good bit.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: But they got him back right, tested him the whole lot.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I think the period is about six months whenever they
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: got him back on track, back in the planes again
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: where he had a He did have a rag more fights,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: but then the blackout started happening, which is not sothing,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: not something you need. But he ended up like he
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: was battling out of Greece at that stage. He's battalion.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: He had moved to Greece and he ended up in
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: some famous battles, just having dogfights in the year with
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: the loof offer and stuff like cood ship. You could
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: read the loads on this, So I'll just give it
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: over it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Like one story I know about his military career. And
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and this is where it gets a little bit lazy crazy.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll you'll you'll, you'll, you'll read the thing that
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: says that Roald Dal wrote the movie Gremlins.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he didn't.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: That's not correct. And and I dare say, you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: there's there's there's truth in there's truth somewhere in the
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: middle of it. Roll Dal did not come up with Gremlins.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Rodal did not even come up with the word gremlins.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: But as we said there where he was taking inspiration
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: from real life and turning the sweet shop owner into
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: miss trench Bowl and such like. And indeed, when he
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: was in school, I remember he would he was part
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: of a program run by Cadbury that would send out
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: new chocolate bars to the public test of course, right,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and that became Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. So they
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: would send out five bars and to kids all over
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the country and the kids would right back, too sweet,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: too many cherries, blah blah blah, whatever it would be.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: But Rodall was, as you say yourself, there a fire
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: pilot in World War Two, and a common expression at
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the time for things going wrong with your machinery was
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: that there was a gremlin in the engine. Yes, that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: was just that was that was just common parlance. For computers.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Now we would say there's a bug in the system
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: at the time. There was a gremlin exactly. So Roaldell
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: took the phrase gremlin and wrote a children's book from
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: it where he fictionalized these problems, which was just per machinery. Yeah,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: you know, per machinery being blamed on fictional characters an
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: actual fact. It was just like corner cutting in the
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: war office, sending your son to an early grave.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Bioll accounts like it was, you know, it was what
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: they used. But it was kind of ari folklore too,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: you know exactly, you know where to go. I think
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: there's a gremlin aftert there's a gremlin in it yet,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: you know, after the wires or whatever.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: So he wrote it. He wrote a children's book about
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: that that that was about spitfire pilots and whatnot, with
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: actual little gremlin creatures running around inside the plane numb
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: school style. Now I don't know that that inspired the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: movie Gremlins, but Gremlins was a phrase that was known
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to military people. And if you watch the movie Gremlins,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the old neighbor that the the old neighbor who's like
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a fighter pilot and now he's like, now is the
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: janitor or whatnot? He speaks of like Gremlin's in World
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: War Two.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: So I don't know that roll.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Dal had any direct from an involvement probably in it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: It would it would be like saying, you know, if
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I were to write a movie about Leprechauns, that you
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: know that that had something to do with Warrick Davis
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: or some ship who popularized Leprecauns. I don't think you're
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: going to get that. I think you get get You're
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: not gonna get yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not going to
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: get the credit for coming up with Leon.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: But anyway, after the the the blackouts and the ridiculous
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: stumb of culsers and every just things were not going
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: right upstairs for him, although he do he did. He
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: did attribute the Cracked Head with kind of opening up
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: his imagination a small bit.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: And listen, Tom, sometimes that's where we do our best work,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I know, bang and hangover, you know.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: But he they grounded him and made it a bit
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: invalided and sent him back to his delivery his mother
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: for a bit. He was like Jesus Christ, put me
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: back in the game. So the only the only gig
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: they had for him, because they knew he had the
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: chat too, Like he bet he went and met with
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: a couple of officers and a guy who was kind
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: of running things out of Canada as well. I said,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: you know what, let's send you to Washington. He's go on.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: That only took it there two to convince him, told
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: him it was going to be great crack, he was
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: going to be highly used. Sent him to Washington. Board
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: out of his skull over in three days. Couldn't get
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: over how much feeding they did of themselves because coming
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: from you know, you know, rationing in Britain, this crowd
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: who hadn't entered the war yet, and this is where
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: he dug himself in because at this stage they put
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: him in with the British Security Council, which is part
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: of m I six, and they said, listen, we were
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: wasting this guy just over here, arson about and whatnot.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Let's get him into parties and let's get it. Because
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: what they needed him to do was essentially sidle into
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: well heeled people who are high up in society as
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: well as high up in the military to try and
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: get them into the war. Because he has some great stories.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: So they actually published some of his stories as well.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: So it was like Jesus Christ, is you know, you're
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: father like following John Rambo. You know, I'm joining the
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: army after listening to this guy, and lo and behold,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: your man just started finding himself because and he put
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: it down to he goes it was it was completely circumstantial.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: There wasn't a lot of men with my accent, tall,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: you know, good luck on fellows. So they were just
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: inviting him to every party. He was like, you have
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: to you have to meet my friend. You have to
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: meet my friend Rolled. He's of Norwegian Royalty and he's
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: been you know, he's an ACE pilot. He's been shot.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: That shot down over Libya was one of the stories.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: There was twenty four years of age, twenty four, he's
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: well healed, he's walking around the place, cool as ship.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: But what he was just what he was peppered with
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: propaganda is what he was doing. So he was spying
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: on the Americans in America and he would get stuff.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: He would just he just send it straight. But like
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: a bite. Now, whether it did or it didn't, the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: story was that it was he was given keeping tabs
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: on FDR's movements. Is it FDR? No? No, was it Roosevelt?
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Who was it?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: A wartime? Was FDR? It was FDR not a learning podcast, ladies.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: And no, but he was getting he was getting info
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: across to the likes of Churchill and stuff like that. Listen,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: when you do get to meet him, is it a
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: kind of brush fucker you're going to meet like in
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: this is how you're going to approach him. You know
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: this because he was given for all from a very
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: subtle point of view that if you're going to have
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: to talk to these Americans there are different from cattle.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: They love Bravado and they love this ship. But by
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: all accounts like he had Now, I mean, look, everybody
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: loves a good story. But you know he apparently handled
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: a fair bit of you know, socialism with delayed this
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and what not. There was had a couple of names
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: in here, yeah, there so there was one. She was
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: the oil heiress huge money millicent Rogers, French actress called
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Anabella and a congress will be clear booth loose wife
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: of the owner of the Time in Life magazine. Which
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: is what he was trying to do was go here
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: this beginning your man to start saying how class would
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: be to get into war it you know, it wouldn't
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: do any harm at all.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Now, once again Tom We're glad this kind of thing
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't go on these days.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: What I loved now I went in true being. But
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I mean there it is a fact that he did
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: at the time a bridge officer over there. He ran
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: across and because they were both doing a bit of
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: writing at the time, was mister Fleming, right, they ended
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: up staying good friends. Now I thought, fuck this because
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: this is where I first speak my interest. But when
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I looked into him, I was like, there's no way,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: there's no way he inspired it, because it was talking
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: of of Christopher le Beying, you know, an inspiration number two.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: But by all accounts, Ian Fleming.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Was at least aware of rollout.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: No, No, they knew each They got to know each
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: other because they were British and they were writing while
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: in America at the time, and there was another guy
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Forrester as well who was writing as well, and they
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: they what he put down was he name checked him
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: and like three other famous kind of spies and stuff.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: And you know, I suppose military people as being his
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: combined inspiration or bond so much so because I was
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: thinking was bullsh And then when I went looking, he
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: actually allowed him to write the screenplay for you only
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: live twice.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: You're right, absolutely right, Yes.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Based purity on the fact that he went, I took
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: some of your stuff because he saw this guy at parties,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: you know, had drinking a martini looking swave as fuck.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, by today's standards, you go arly te bit
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: of a strange shaped head. But back then, the man
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: all his eyes pointed in the right direction. That's a
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: major thing for a break, you know. Of course he's on.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: That's the that's the Norwegian.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just good breathing. But and he was so
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: well versed. He was able to chat like he had
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: no problem with the women, no problem with the fellas.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: He was just great chatter at parties and stuff like that.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: But when he found that, you know, because he was
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: British too. When he was he knew that he was
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: tidy with m I six in away and he was
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: sneaking across info and everything else. That would have been
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I guess at least one quarter of what he was
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: looking for to put in the bond. They're like Jesus
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Christ Almighty. And for a finish, they kind of given
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: him a couple of upper titles as he was still
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: kind of temporary. They said you could go back flying,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: but you can't go flying. So they kind of made
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: him a lieutenant with you know, wing lieutenant or whatever.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: But for finished, when he was honorably you know, finished up,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: they went, look, you're a wingman. You were, you know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: a fully qualified flying officer.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: But they did.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: They gave him the stamp as flying ace at the
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: very end of it. And I'm sure really interested people
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: can go by when he started writing after that, and
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: if his children's books. I'm afraid I'm not gonna tell
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: you any of that because it's kind of no interest
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: to me when he went writing kids books. But it
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: was the cool backstory on a guy who created one
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: of the number one movies for Christmas. You're like, I
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have put those two people together. But by Jesus,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Christ just goes to Jojia. You know, there's a you
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: don't know what's around the next.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Corner for you. There's the children's book and all of
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: us time.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: That are spying on the Americans.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And all the while, all
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: the while Ian fleming and roll daer over there, y'veen
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: and Blake just like grotten Russian lads across the Western front,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the sneaking behind them when bit of wire, bits of
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: wooden just tighten it onto the bubble stop. C. S.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Lewis Lewis would be much earlier, would I think?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I think he actually admits no idea when Needing and
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Blayton was on the go. Either time, we're gonna have
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: to throw that with bishops for things that people need
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: to look up for us.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. C. S. Lewis do was weirder like she was
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Peter Rabbit and stuff. Wasn't she early early? Apparently he
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: met her as a child when he was a child.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Roll. Yeah, we're exposing holes in our in our children's
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: author knowledge here now.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: So that's absolutely right. There's there's there's plenty of holes
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: in it. But that's the cool backstory on Roddell. And Yeah,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: as an adjacent thing to Charlie at the Chocolate.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Fact, well, you know what I'm going to tell you,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Tom Charlie and the chocolate factory. When we talk about it,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: we talk about the Gene Wilder version, not the Johnny Depp.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: No Jesus Christ though, Jesus, because I gotta tell you
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: that's that's that's not even worthy of a ride, because
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that's an open and shutcase right, There no comparison. It's like,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: would you rather a nice class of beer or would
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: you rather life face down in a bog? You know,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: it's one or the other. So it's not something that
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: we're going to have a row about. That being said, Tom,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: maybe there is something we can have a row about.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: But I think there is there. I think it's time
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: to have a row.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Don't stop. Yeah, okay, so there's a lot going on here, Tom,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: there's a lot.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: You brought it to me at in all fairness, it
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: was as a result of something else, and I've seen
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: this creep into society, into Irish society. There's certain things
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: that as Irish people should keep Irish and it's little
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: nuances to our traits as Irish people.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Tom, you're you're like me now. I
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: don't know how often you get to the pub socially.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I know, you work, you go to gigs and you
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: get the pubs and you get the bars. But like
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: you know, and you're only after building as you've been
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: busy all year. I don't know when you actually go
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: to a pub.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Never, never go to a pub chair That's the truth
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: of it. I wish I did, but between podcasts gigs,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Tom never goes.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: To the right now. But if you are going to
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: go to a pub, you're going to go to a
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: pub sometime over the next couple of weeks. Same here.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: This is heavy pub time. We're going to have a
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: couple of drinks with friends, family, whoever it might be.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: If you're still one of these people that does the
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: twelve pubs a Christmas, I mean you gotta go with you.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, I can't think of it and worse,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: But it's not the going to a pub that we're
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: gonna have a raabout here, Tom. It's a new system
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: in pubs that is growing, as you say, and that
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: is queuing at the bar. I know, I know, I
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: don't now you tell me you've witnessed this phenomenon.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: You literally messaged me the other night the other morning,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: and I was like, Jesus Christ, I had I had
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: actually wiped it out of my memory. I showed that
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I was doing it was it was a corporate show
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: that I was hosted, but there was a big open
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: bar in the middle of the room. It was it
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: was fine, you know, it's a that's corporate island, baby.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: It was it was very It was actually very spiky
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: event like, but at the same time people were there
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: to get habert it was it was pretty much an
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: open bar. I think for the most part of people
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: that I don't know they were maybe they drink as
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: much as I don't know if they had whatever they had.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: But I looked at is this as a result of
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the company, because it seemed like a fairly fun company.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: This seemed like good crack people, like you know, there
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: was a bit of it was a bit of food
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: in the air. But I looked and I looked, has
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: the bar ordered him to do this? There's no security around,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like what they're queueing
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: like fucking heads.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: They're they're cue here's the thing, Okay, I'm going to
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: find out I have seen this. I haven't seen it
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: in Ireland. Okay. When we say queuing at the bar
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: for a drink, Tom, we don't mean like waiting your
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: turn at the bar for a drink. You've always done that, okay,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: but this is where you will queue single file line, Yeah,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: like like Tom for communion.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Are it's please? There can have some more fucking your
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: parties in your head?
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Like right, what I'll tell you the only thing is
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: the rule.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: The only places I've ever seen that, the only past
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen that is like in the airport if
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: there's like a Weatherspoons in Yeah, coming out of London.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: You look and you'll see a line of lads right
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and and and you're just like, Okay, well, I guess
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: that's what they do here. You queue up like a
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: like a line, like like as you say yourself, there
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: tim like a soup line, like a gruel line that
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: hasn't been implemented in Ireland. Bars haven't done that. The
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: people are doing it.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: That's what's worrying media.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I asked one of the organizers was like, is is
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: that something the employed here like where they go like
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: they low on staff? Is that the rule instead of rule?
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I mean there's no velvet rope out, there's no nothing
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: to tell you to cue here. People just start to
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: fil it in and at any point I couldn't figure
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: it out, Like so I could just if they they're
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: taking up twentieth of the bar space, this line of people.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, like there's a hatch there and there's not
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: a hat bar.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: There's that big like there's forty foot of fucking bar
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, so I can just go to the
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: middle and go, hey, connecting the point and just walk
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: away with it because there's eight bar staff back there.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: What in all blue Jesus is going on? And what
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: they were doing was the bar staff were delighted because
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: what they do is they go, yeah, just go to
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Nora there at the end. Yeah, great, go to Jerry there,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: the second dead and he would just file the belong
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: like you would just fucking you know, connect force. He
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: was just sliding them along, slide them along. And I'm going,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I see your merits here. But there is something so
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: not good crack about this. There's something so regimented and
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: fucking North Korea about what I'm looking at.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Here, right, okay, Like so like here's the thing, Tom,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: like the system is not alien to its okay. And
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and a lot of times, folks like you know, when
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of times when we get to let's the
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: let's have a R segment of the Tom and Jerry Show,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: it's Tom on one side and me on the other,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: back and forth for five to seven minutes and wrap
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: up the podcast and go home. Sometimes we're just putting
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: forth a thing and throwing it open to you find
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: people to debate it among yourself. This is one of
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: these times. Okay, so we're just going to present you
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: with this new and weird thing, are you know. I
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: think it's fairly certain that me and Tom not for it,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: but we're going to give it as fair a chance
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: as we can, and you people can tell us whether
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: you like this new system or whether it's another reason
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: to stay at home.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Tom.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: This system isn't new for us. Like this is kind
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: of like the system you get if you go to
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the bar at a gig. And I don't mean a
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: gig like you or I would play, but I mean
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: like concert Slaine.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something in.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: The O two and it's something in the three arena
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: where there are like little if you can imagine, like
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: cattle pens. Also, it's not and you can you know,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: like five or six deep and you're the next to
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: go to the You know, I always thought that that
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: that's a that's like a calming measure so that you
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: can get to a bar and get your points. And
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: it's not like in a pub where you have to
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: mild through a scrum of twenty people and you might
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: not get out with your point in your hands, so
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: it gives you, it separates and gives a little bit
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: of space that the person can queue go up, get
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: a pint, and walk off without getting it knocked out
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: their hands. And in a concert situation, that's yeah, okay.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: That and like you walk into a concert situation, Okay,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: it's a three areada, it's a big fucking round sweeping.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: There's ten thousand people there, twelve thousand people exactly.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: There's no actual walls for guidelines on either side of
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: your periphery, which there is most pubs. Like you're kind
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: of like, okay, so we all the wall, okay, so
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: we I run like I get to this bar parallel
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: to the bar because I'm guiding myself by the two
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: fucking walls that are holding the roof up. Okay, we're
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: in a pub, fair enough, but what I see, like,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: I get what it's in a huge wide upen space,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: especially like at an open concert, even where they've just
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: plank a fucking you know, a prefab with a flap
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: and he went, but Jesus Christ, which ended is to
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: I combat, I'm after ten pints, Like here you go.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: There's some fencing that they use for the double city
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: marathon to guide you in, you young cow, do you
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: And I get it put inside in like like a function,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: like a part. Oh my Jesus Christ, because thankfully I
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: was the following night I went to We got there
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: for sound check early for this particular gig, and that
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: would have been a time. So we go for a
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: pint up the road and okay, to a queue of
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: a shadow. This may look like all hell has broken loose.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: It wasn't at all. Everybody knew their kind of symbiotic
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: role of slipping around each other. And I had her
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: three pints gotten in four minutes, do you know what
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I mean? Even though the place seemed jabbers and crazy,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: and I can see a couple of touristy looking people,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: you know, they're looking on going I see as you know,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: they just didn't know. They didn't they didn't know the
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: crack and that's our thing. But you, I'd say the
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: bar staff would have freaked out if everybody was just
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: started quing around the corner to come to one point
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: of the bar. It was like they would have just
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: shut the fuck think said we have a problem. There's
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Greblins at the bar.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: There's gremlins in this fucking system. And and like I said, Tom,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, we we get nostalgic for things
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: that weren't great. You know, we get nostalgic for things
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: that were like, oh, it wasn't it great when we
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and then when you hold it up to the coal
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: yard lay the day.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: No.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I remember going to pubs and it became like a
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: it became like a trope or a joke or a stereotype,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: like he's hard to get served at the bar, and
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: you're there giving the bar man eyebrows, and like, you know,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: you've been standing there for five minutes and he served
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: everyone but you, or you've been standing there for ten
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: minutes and someone who just wandered along gets served straight away.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: The good looking ones get served for whatever it might be.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: But that was like.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: An accepted part of the whole.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah, yeah.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: You know. And and I don't know that I would
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: exchange it for this I did.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: There wouldn't. I'd stop at home and just drink kads.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: If that's the case, like if there's no hope of
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: it actually feeling like you can go to lose, because
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you're introducing more rules to
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: a situation where were like, Jesus Christ, I'm away from
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: work for a minute, Can I just can I just
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: wander in the direction of the bar to drink it
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: up in my head?
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Can we do that? I will say, like, you know,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: it's been a while since I've been in a bar.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: And admittedly we started this segment by saying that we
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: never go to pubs anymore, but he's been been a
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: while since I was in like a very incredibly busy bar,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Like it's been a while since I had to wait
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: for a pint, you know, any onerous length of time,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: you know, like you go up if the bar is busy,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: maybe go through to the lounge and get served in
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: two seconds and then you come back and you're You're good.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know what venues are so busy, But then again,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I don't drink in tan you know, maybe a lot
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: of the tourist spots. I don't know, Tom, I don't know.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know how this saved space, by the way,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: because now you've got to que maybe you mentioned this
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: as well, a Q with like thirty people, and where
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: does that start and where does that end? Does it
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: just sort of snake out into the distance, a snake
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: out into the smoking area, like what's it was a disaster.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: It was people were giving their orders to their friends
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: that probably weren't in you know, in the in the
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: queue with or even in a round with you know
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: what I mean. They were just like for as and
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: like there seems to be youth in the in the queue,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: like more youth than you know, middle aged. Yeah, like
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: because I'm hoping I didn't get get going now on this,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: but like I was hoping there was other lads like
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: me looking on what fuck this is? This is? This is?
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: This is one of these ones time. We're gonna wrap
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: this up as best we can because we've got no
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: you know, smoking gun here on the like unlike your
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: man that shot that CEO and New York with no
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: smoking gun, with no nice clean wrap up to it.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: We're not saying we're right and other people are wrong.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: We just don't get it. It's weird. Maybe it's better,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Here's a question for you, Tom. If
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: pubs are going to adopt this single file chew for
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: mass line to get pints, do you think other places
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: should adopt the come what made Devil May care, every
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: man for himself and God against all attitude that Pubqan
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: used to have. Do you think the cues and legal
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: should just become Raman shopping trolleys together?
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: You see, I would say, at a.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Horseshoe shaped bar, you get served straight away.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent. If I'm being a greedy bastard, I'm
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: thinking about me only right, because I can tell you no,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: there's nobody more competitive than me when it gets to
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: when it gets to that moment of queuing for your
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: shop and getting your ship and getting out of there,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: like because I will take out somebody's knee. I don't care, like,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: but I know that. You know, you then have to
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: listen to stories from your how she was at the
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: counter and the next thing somebody hit or shotting the jaw.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Now you've got to deal with that situation like Jesus Rice.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: So though I do like the order of life, you
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: know that's hilarious because I just want to get able
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: to get out of there. I don't I don't want
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: to hang around and have a good time in fucking
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: little orality or done the.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Way I think I think we should. I think we
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: should adopt that sort of queue system too like roller coasters,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: rather than one long line that lasts whatever. It's just
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: elbows and these lads just fucking get into it. You
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: get into it because, like I gotta tell you, they're
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: cuing more respectively for drink on in pubs than they
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: are to get onto the train in the morning when
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: people are sober. That's like like still to this day,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: that's just like a horseshoe of people just come at
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: the door of a train and ball onto.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I just discovered there? As you
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: were just you just you give two examples there. I
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: actually don't do any kind of cute it at all anywhere.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: I don't do anything like that. I don't go to
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: the train, I don't go to the post office. I
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: do very little shopping. I actually, yeah, I think I
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: get fucking postal. What I have to say, queue the
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: line for anything down.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: You're you're like, you're like me. You don't go anywhere
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: popular enough to draw a crowd.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Even that if there's one bloke ahead to be that
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: would have mildest amount of a hurry at the hardware shot,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck is there? I am completely unreasonable. Actually,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I think for a completely unreasonable bastard.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, lessons were learned here today.
• 58:26
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• 58:28
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• 58:31
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• 58:33
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