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EP: 15 Shawshank Redemption Review · The Podyssey: A Film Podcast

• henry: Put your trust in the Lord. Your ass belongs to me. Welcome to the Podicy. I'm Henry Wilkinson. I'm Andrew Mullis. This is episode fifteen of the Podicy. Today we are reviewing the IMDB number one movie of all time, The Shawshank Redemption. We are recording this and our last episode pretty close to each other. Do you have anything that you've watched? That you want to shout out? Citizen Kane. S yeah, that's right. And old boy. Yeah, what'd you think? A couple bangers right there. I give both four stars. I really liked both of Citizen Cain was really good. Just one of those movies that like everyone kinda talks about and I've been wanting to watch for a while. I like old movies quite a bit. or older movies. so that was cool. That was cool. so I watched that and then a foreign film, Old Boy, which was really good too. Yeah, that's buttons. Yeah, like you said, we we recorded these pretty pretty close together, so I haven't really watched a ton. then I watched Shawshank Redemption last night. The Shawshank Redemption. Yeah, the Shawshank Redemption. Yeah. How about you? What have you been watching? I haven't finished a movie since our last episode. I started Francis Ha in the airport. Mm. I was not vibing with it, so I didn't finish it. Well I guess that was before our last episode, but I didn't bring it up. I mean, even though I didn't really like it, I still want to like finish it and give it a chance. Yeah. I started the movie Her, which is like a sci fi movie with Joaquin Phoenix. And I haven't finished that either. I don't know. It's this really weird. When'd you start that? Two nights ago. Okay. Like you just you stopped watching it 'cause it was too weird or you stopped watching it because you went to bed or I mean a little bit of both. If it was actually good like if I was really liking it, I probably would have finished it. Yeah. and then me and Addison started the first Harry Potter last night. And then the only movie that I did watch front to back is The Shaw Shank Redemption. That's all you need. So yeah. Yeah, how about movie news? You got anything for movie news? I got nothing really. I mean we basically covered the big stuff that was happening, in last episode. So Yeah, I I didn't even spend any time on movie news, so Here's to all the fans that only care about Shawshank Redemption. So we're getting right into it today. I was gonna say prime time came out. yeah. And people were liking it. So could be a good that'd be a good one to go see. Yeah, September twenty fifth, I think. Yeah. Less than two weeks now. I saw the top letterbox review. Yeah. Do you see it? No. Somebody get these pedophiles out of here. That's good. Or maybe predators. Somebody get these predators out of here. Yeah. So that was pretty funny. Yeah, I'm excited for a Robert Pattinson lead performance. Yeah, definitely. He's got a lot of supporting stuff this year with Odyssey and Dune. He's probably considered kind of a lead in the drama, but it's like Humans and Day are kind of sharing it. Yeah. Or Primetime's like really gonna be his movie, I think. So that'll be sick. But the Shaw Shank Redemption. That's right. Let's dive into it. So what'd you what'd you give it? I gave it a five. And it's my second time watching it. And the first time I had a four. Four and a half. Okay. So I still really, really liked it. Yeah, it just got a little bit better for me the second time around. I just think I was able to appreciate everything more. Yeah. when did you watch it last? It was like a little over a year ago. At some point. Watch it with my dad my mom and my dad and my brother. It's like one of my dad's favorite movies. and he knew that I was getting into movies. He's like, You gotta watch Shaw Shank. I'm like, I know I do. Like it's very, very highly rated. So Yeah, how about you? Yeah, I gave it a five. I can't believe I hadn't seen it before. I mean it's just one of those that like one of those that I needed to check off and just hadn't seen or hadn't watched for some reason. so I was happy to to watch it. Yeah, I gave it a five. I really loved it. and you know, like you it gets like spoiled for you, like if you haven't seen it, like I mean obviously like TikTok, Instagram. I've seen how what all happens like at the end or whatever. And Family Guy. Yeah. Family Guy has a good adaptation. Family Guy's got a lot of dude, they got some good a lot of movie references. They do. And they do like a like a Shaw Shank like episode kinda. really? Yeah, it's like a full. Or not a full. It's like a third. But yeah, no, I really liked it. I just can't I can't believe I haven't seen it. Yeah, I gave it a five. So Shawshank Redemption it came out in ninety four. it's a prison drama film that begins in the nineteen forties and takes place over roughly twenty five years or throughout Andy Dufresne's prison time, which he is in for the double murder of his wife and her lover. He puts his skills as a banker to work helping the warden with loopholes and shady deals. Dufresne's cal calm demeanor and reminder of the outside world world sparks admiration by his fellow inmates, including an older prisoner named Red. this is the feature film directorial debut from Frank Derabont, which is insane that this is like his first full movie that he made. starring Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman. It's an adaptation of a Stephen King novella. so it's not even like a full book, it's like in a a book that has a bunch of short stories. And it's in it's from the same one that Stand By Me comes from. And it's kind of funny because Stephen King is like really known for making. Like horror books and like two of his biggest movies, Shawshank and Stand By Me, are not horror, which I I just think is kinda funny. When it came out in ninety four, it some people did not love the title or they just couldn't remember the title. And it just completely bombed at the box office. Like just made no money. It was kind of competing with pulp fiction and forest gump at the time. They were all getting released at the same time. and those were the two that were kind of gaining the most traction and there's not like There's not social media or anything back then, so it's all just word of mouth and people just had a hard time with the movie title, I guess, and Morgan Freeman had talked about that a lot. Just about how he thinks that's one of the biggest reasons why it didn't gain traction right away. I made only twenty eight million on a twenty five million dollar budget and kinda like the the benchmark for breaking even is one and a half times your budget. And they barely even made their their budget back. And despite this, Warner Bros. shipped 320,000 VHS rental copies to U.S. video stores. They admitted it was a wildly uncharacteristic number considering its failure at the box office, but said it was coming from optimism due to some Oscar bells that it was receiving for. Best picture, best actor, things like that. And then the movie became the most rented movie of nineteen ninety-five and one of the highest grossing video rentals of all time. so Warner Bros definitely struck gold on that, choosing to kind of take a gamble on this movie that didn't really do well at the box office. and then I don't have this written down, but it was just like a cable. movie for like so long like on TNT. TNT would just pump it out like at like nine every like every night or whatever. And then one of the I was watching some YouTube things and it's just like it is that movie that if you're if it's only thirty minutes in yeah and you see it on cable you just sit down and watch. Yeah. So I think that was kind of part of the reason yeah why it continued to gain fandom is it was just one of those recognizable movies that would always be on T V Obviously a ton of people rented it on VHS too. Yeah, a ton of people bought it too on VHS too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, seven Oscar nominations. Didn't win any of them. Yeah, which is crazy. Like you said, it it is stacked though. Yeah. That's the only thing is it's not like one of those awards where like King's speech is winning over like The social network inception. Like it's not because it's basically Forrest Gump and Pulp Fiction. Yeah. which are obviously two really highly acclaimed movies. It's just so surprising that Shaw Shank couldn't even like squeak out one or two. After watching it, I was like, dude, that score was crazy. Yeah. There's no like I was just looking and then when it said didn't win any, I was like, How'd it not win for best score? Yeah. And Lion King. Yeah, which makes sense. Yeah. So I was like, okay, well, yeah, that's another thing too is Yeah. Yeah, Best Picture Forest Gump. Yeah. Best Actor Forrest Gump. Yeah. Which I feel like is I mean, I still really like Forrest Gump, but I I think most people would probably say if they were to do best picture again, it probably should have been Pulper Shawshank over Forrest Gump. Yeah. But yeah, it's obvious it's a movie that has obviously aged really well. people still rave about it today. yeah, I would have thought looking at this, I would have thought best adapted screenplay. Yeah. Or yeah, I mean I I best film editing too, for scump one best film editing. Which I mean it's good, but I thought this was probably better. And adapted screenplay, like I mean that that kinda goes if for if Forrest Gump wins Best Picture, then you would figure that it's gonna win. Yeah. Best adapted. So what did screenplay? Do you know what is Forrest Gump a book? I don't know. I don't either. What about Legends of the Fall? Have you seen that? I haven't seen it. I looked 'cause that one best cinematography yeah. I looked it up. I mean, given its like reviews and stuff, not nearly as good of a movie as Shawshank, but it looks like looks cooler. Yeah. It That's sick to watch that. Yeah, I don't it do it's not like a bad win, I don't think. Sure. Like it looks like the cinematography in that movie is really, really cool. Yeah, I feel like the yeah, I don't know if I would pick Yeah, I guess yeah, this could be up there too. But it is just a stacked list of movies in ninety four. But So Forest Gump is a movie adaptation of a novel. I know that. It doesn't say That's interesting. Doesn't say like what the novel is or who wrote it? I'm on a different Google tab. It's based on a novel. Yeah, okay. 'Cause best editing seems like I think best editing should definitely have been Shawshank. I think like the Yeah, or Pulp Fiction. yeah, definitely pulp fiction actually. Yeah, like that yeah. Yeah, definitely pop fiction for that. That's kind of its bread and butter. Yeah, I don't know. But I mean, yeah, I th a lot of these are gr good movies and I can see how the it's not like n these are like crazy like I none of these winning is like insane. Yeah. It's not like a massive snob, it's just no It just is kinda crazy now looking back at it and seeing that definitely should have won something, but I got some well, so speaking of cinematography, so Roger Deacons, he's the cinematographer, he shot this movie. He is highly regarded as one of the better cinematographers of all time. But he's really famous for his work with the Cohen brothers. He shot No Country for Old Men, Fargo, The Big Lebowski, Brother, Where Art Thou, and True Grit. And he's more recently known for his work with Denis Villeneuve on Blade Runner twenty forty-nine, Prisoners, Sicario. And he was also paired up with Sam Mendez for nineteen seventeen, Jarhead and Skyfall. so he seems to have like a couple of directors that he bounces back and forth with. as far as the Cohen Brothers, Denis and Sam Mendez. And like really when I was looking through that list, I was like, Wow, these are some of the best visual movies. I've ever seen. And the Shaw Shank is I mean, obviously it's older, but like it is kind of a different way of shooting a movie than his more modern stuff. Like I feel like his more modern stuff a lot of the times it's like action or sci fi stuff. There's just vibrant colors and then a lot of the Cohen Brothers stuff is Kind of like in the country and stuff like that. So Do you think out of like those movies that he's done, do you think this one is the best? Like overall movie or the best shot movie? Best shot movie out of the ones you though those ones you've seen. What would you say is the best movie? That's good qu I think I think you haven't seen Blade Runner 2049. That movie's insane. Yeah. But is that visual effects or is that See, that's that's the hard thing is I don't know how much how much visual effects and how much it's like. So I I'd probably say just from shooting a movie and I haven't seen Skyfall. That one's got some sick I mean, I really want to see all the Bond movies. start with Skyfall, honestly. Yeah. I haven't seen No Country for Old Men in a while. When I saw it, I wasn't like super crazy about it. Like I liked it. I thought it was solid. Mm-hmm. Fargo, I love the movie, but it's not one of those that like sticks out as far as like all right. The cinematography's insane. Honestly, I'd probably say It might be one of the Denis it's one of the Denis films, I think. It's probably either Prisoners or Sicario. Yeah. Nineteen seventeen though. he does that too? Yeah. dang. I didn't know that. It might be nineteen seventeen actually. Just yeah, but so he has he has like an insane career. Yeah, that is crazy. I don't know how many or if he's won Oscars, but this is just from the stuff that I've seen, this is just a lot more confined. Yeah. For him, but it was still a movie where I was blown away from how it was shot and it's just I feel like it's hard to do and like such a grounded film like this, especially for it being from the nineties. Like I just thought it all looked great. I think that opening like aerial shot of the prison with the score. that's like one of the best establishing shots in like any movie. Like you just get sucked in right away from there. It's so sick. yeah there's some really cool shots. I like the There's one where it's probably like an hour into the movie and they're walking into the prison. Like Andy's walking from the yard to the prison. Yeah. It's like a slow like shot to him and then it goes it pans like all the way up and then like blacks out when you walk in. Yeah. That shot was sick. I think we I mean Yeah, we definitely haven't gotten into any spoilers yet, but I'll just say spoilers from here on out so that we can we can kinda let it rip. Yeah, yeah. but let's see. I think another while we're talking about the shots and stuff, the one of him like being held over the roof. Yeah. The way that like the camera pans from I don't I can't even explain it. It's just like a over the top shot and then it comes like level with the characters. Yeah. It's really, really cool. And that that's one of my favorite scenes in general is just everything that takes place on the roof there. That's one of my favorite scenes too. And I like how I didn't really realize this when I was watching, but kind of when I was watching some breakdowns and stuff. When it pans or when the camera kind of swings around to what's the guard's name? Hadley, is it? Or yeah. Something like I think it's Hadley. When he's holding him off the roof. Yeah. You can like see across the wall to where like like that's outside of the prison. And it's like free. Yeah. And it's all green. Like it's yeah. It's like beautiful, like lawn, like like legit, like the grass is always greener. Like you can see like the freedom and then it swings back to the captain and then you can see like all of the the prisoners and everyone else on the roof and it's like that scene was really really cool. And they got like probably not for that scene, but like for a lot of the extras. They had like real ex cons. I saw that. And like just people from the town who like wanted to be in the movie. Yeah. Like people would just come. So like I think there's like twice as many people as w who would actually be in the prison, like in the yard or whatever. But Just to kinda yeah, create that like effect or whatever, but yeah, that was pretty cool. I thought like a bunch of ex cons were coming and like kinda like signing up and like trying to get in the movie and like Yeah. Just people from the town and Yeah. That that is cool. I saw something that They were having a hard time like getting extras for a lot of the scenes. So that helped them out a ton. Like being able to have that. And they wanted it to be they wanted it to feel as real as possible. And the director was very adamant about like I need people in like in these shots. Yeah. and Deacons was too, as far as you know, when everyone's walking into the prison, like they want they want to be able to pan out and same with that establishing shot. Like he wanted it to feel like all these people were in this prison. Yeah. but yeah, another this kind of is like a behind the scenes stuff, like just as far as the movie getting made, but the so the movie was produced by Castle Rock, which is co founded by Rob Reiner, who Actually he just recently passed away within the last year, but he's a famous director for movies like The Princess Bride, Stand By Me, which I talked about, another Stephen King adaptation, When Harry Met Sally, A Few Good Men, and many more. But he as the co founder of this like production company, he loved the script so much and he offered Frank Darebont the director. Three million dollars for the rights to the script so he could direct it himself. And Reiner was going to have Harrison Ford play red and Tom Cruise. I just I think like I think Ford works, but I don't think Tom Cruise is handy. Yeah. Like I don't know if either of that were and it's easy to say now if you're watching it. In hindsight, like how good I think Harrison Ford would play a really good red. Yeah. Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise, I think, is a too swaggy. Yeah, and just like too charismatic and Yeah. I just Yeah, that would not work, I don't think. And they were gonna get Brad Pitt to play the younger guy who comes in at the end. Tommy. Yeah, yeah. Brad Pitt was gonna play him. Yeah. But then he was like Well, if audiences see this as Brad Pitt, like they're gonna be distracted. Like, that's Brad Pitt, like Yeah. So it'd probably take way to This was this was right around the time when he was doing Thelma movies too. Yeah. So Yeah, no, Tom Cruise named the supporter not work. That's just such a different movie. Yeah, definitely. And yeah, now it's easy to say that it just works with Morgan Freeman and Yeah, but Th yeah, that's just that's just too too different of a movie. yeah, so three million dollars he's offered and He turned it down. He turns it down and not only was Castle Rock willing or not only were they gonna give him three million dollars for this script, but they also said we'll help you finance like any of your future projects if you let Reiner take this and Darabont turns it down. 'Cause he felt like he really had something special and Reiner actually respected that decision and actually served as a mentor for him on the set. So he was able to help it out. This really does feel like a Rob Reiner movie. Yeah. I haven't seen too many Rob Reiner movies, but it it does it has that same sort of DNA as a lot of his like eighties and nineties movies. Yeah, I saw an interview where he was talking about Like he took like a huge pay cut from three million, obviously. I think he had like he got like seven hundred grand. Yeah. Which is still a lot of money obviously, but he was basically saying like He's betting on himself. Yeah, and if he'd if he lets like this is like his kinda like his dream movie or like kinda like his chance. Yeah. So like he's like if I don't do this then Yeah kinda what else? So I mean yeah, I'm glad he held out and that's That's some stones from from someone who's never who hasn't directed a feature on And he yeah, he did some short films when Stephen King had this like program, it was like this dollar dollar licis licensing thing where like a lot of his short stories he would essentially just like give out for a dollar. Like the the rights to him. Yeah. For people to adapt into like a short film. And he did one of and he really liked it. Stephen King really liked it. Yeah. I can't remember which one it was. I saw that Stephen King really liked Shawshank Redemption too and He was very adamant just at how successful the movie's been and how appreciative he is. Yeah. That's pretty cool though, like giving away his stuff for ad like just to see someone yeah adapt it and like and when he bought the rights to it, he sent Stephen King a check. yeah. Did you see the story? Yeah. For five grand or whatever. And he never cashed it. Yeah. He just and then he mailed it back to him and said if you ever need bail money. Yeah, I thought that was funny. That's pretty cool. Yeah, Ste Stephen King just seems like he's a baller, dude. Yeah. And just like someone that is He's for the movies and for all them. And he's like genuine He's not like v super entitled over his work, which a lot of people are. And like I don't blame people for that because you spend a ton of time on writing a story or something like that and then s y you see someone do a not faithful adaptation, it could rub you the wrong way, but he's very Yeah, he's yeah, he's very I think like wants people to kind of like spin it. Like he's Yeah, I don't know how to say that, but just like he wants people to be creative. And like 'cause Red red is like a old Irish guy, like a white Irish guy. Yeah. And they have the funny line where Morgan Freeman says that or whatever, but I mean, I think when a lot of people when it was first com the film was first coming out, people were like maybe some fans of like the actual story were like what the heck? Yeah, Morgan Freeman. Yeah. So I can see where like the Harrison Ford wouldn't come into play there. It kind of makes that line from Morgan Freeman. Like as red funny. Yeah, a hundred percent. I'm Irish. Yeah. Yeah. But there I don't know exactly, but I just remember seeing that there were like some creative liberties taken in the movie. Yeah. Just as far as how they set the story up and how everything gets resolved. Yeah. But yeah. I got so the first scene that read And Andy have their conversation. That's one of my favorite scenes in the movie, too, is just them. Where he's playing catch. Yeah. Yeah. Just them. Did you see this too? Where he's playing catch for nine hours. Dude, yeah, that's insane. They Darebont is like, this is such a crucial scene for the movie. The whole thing is riding on the relationship of Andy and Red. And he just had to get the scene right. And so Morgan Freeman is th throwing a ball for nine hours. And apparently he shows up on set the next day with a sling on his left arm. You probably know more than anyone like that would what that would actually do. Especially so like yeah, so I played college baseball and I've been pitching forever. Like my arm is conditioned. And if you throw one And if I even like with a conditioned arm, there's no way I can play catch for that long and my arm to not just be hanging. So for someone that probably isn't playing catch and conditioning their arm every day like a college athlete is. I can't imagine like how much his arm is just hanging the next day. And that does not go away quickly either. He was probably feeling that for a while. Nine hours is insane. Yeah, that and I mean who knows when they pan it to like where it's just on Red and Andy. Yeah. But when they have him and his catch partner in the scene, like it's It's not like he's barely throwing it, like he's kind of No, he's kinda ripping. Yeah, he's kinda ripping it. It's yeah. And it's like decently I was literally thinking, like, I wonder if he ever like switched during shooting. yeah, but I just I thought that was hilarious. Or I wonder who his catch partner is. Like this guy gets no credit. I wonder if he was playing catch with him for nine hours and throwing him back. Speaking of probably like, all right. Speaking of credit, did you see it when the credits rolled? And one of the guy that played that like first guy that dies for being loud, like the fat guy. Yeah. Literally credited as fat ass. no way. Yeah. That's hilarious. Like that's one of the first credits. That sucks, but that's hilarious. It's that sucks for that guy. It is hilarious. And yeah, it's one of the first credits I was like, wait, did that just I like rewound it to see what it said. yeah, that was fat ass. And it yeah. okay, fat ass. Shut up. That would suck if you're like you go to another movie audition and they're Who'd you play? I was in Shawshank Redemption. Like, really? Who'd you play? You're like fat ass. let me see. Or like they're doing like the trailer for his next movie. You've seen him in Shaw Shank as fat ass. Frank Madrano. Shout up Frank Madrano. Yeah, you're not yeah also accredited as fat ass on Lightbox, so No, actually yeah. That's just the credit for him. Right, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I I thought that was hilarious. That is hilarious. That's actually that's so funny. Alright, so I I have a question. What to you was the saddest death in the movie? Fat ass? Brooks or Tommy? Brooks. Brooks? I was kinda tearing up when Brooks I was too. It's pretty sad. It's really sad. Yeah, it is really sad. You think Tommy dude, anything where like a dude, an old man with an animal. I know. when he let when he let Jake go, that was making me really sad. Yeah, that was really sad. It's probably Brooks, but I think Tommy's is really sad too. Yeah, that that was sad too. I think they just did they just did more with Brooks. Like you see him and he's all scared out in the street and like he doesn't he can't really bag the groceries. Yeah. Like I think it's Tommy, they're just like It's like a very interesting structure for a narrative 'cause I feel like like Brooks is not I mean, the two biggest characters obviously are Andy and Red. Mm-hmm. But then Brooks just gets like fifteen minutes for himself. Yeah. And I feel like you just don't see that a lot where they spend Yeah a big chunk of a movie on a supporting character. Yeah. And then as the movie goes on, you kinda realize that it's Purposefully setting up the parallel for Red's character. Yeah. So that when he gets out, you're like, crap. Yeah. This is Well, and it's yeah, it's I mean to symbolize like kind of what Red and Red's contrast with Andy is like essentially arguing that Hope is a bad th not hope is a bad thing, but like you shouldn't have this hope because yeah, this is what's gonna happen to you or whatever. Like and Andy's obviously arguing the other side. Yeah. Saying like all these things are important. You shouldn't give up your right to be a human just 'cause you're in jail. Like listen to opera music. Yeah. You know have a beer outside with the boys. Yeah, carve some stuff, like build a lot like read some books. So like I think it's more it's like they probably spend so much time on Brooks's character because that's like his character essentially just represents like the negative mindset of like ninety nine percent of the prisoners inside there. Like that's what they think you know, that's kinda how they're they're institutionalized, like Red says. Like that's all they know. And like that's kind of what they're they're made to be a number in the prison system. Yeah. So like Andy kind of convincing Red is like obviously the coolest part the movie. Yeah. And Red Red says, like in his narration after he gets out, that basically everything is the exact same as Brooks. Like he doesn't feel like he's fitting in in the outside world. He's having a hard time adapting. And then he says, But there's one thing holding me back, and it's Andy Dufresne. Or a friend or something like that. I can't remember the exact quote. But so really good storytelling, kind of taking us on that journey of the similarities between Brooks and Red's character. But also like there is parallelism between Brooks and Andy's character because it does kind of lean into that and get you to think that maybe Andy is going down that same path like while he's in prison. Yeah. He gets the rope and Red thinks like he's gonna commit suicide. He doesn't think he's you know, gonna be alive the next morning and then they say he's not in his cell and everyone's immediate reaction is he you know, he did what did what Red or not that he's not in his cell, but he didn't come out for the morning lineup or whatever. And yeah, and I love the way the story sets it up. Because it's different from your typical escape movie where it's showing you the plan throughout the movie. There are some Easter eggs throughout and it's not necessarily impossible to pick up on, but you just get kind of lost with these characters, I think. Yeah. and I I just I love the way they set that up. They just get you really hooked on to it. Everyone in the prison and you feel that Andy is doing everything he can to make prison more like the outside world and helping these people build a life for themselves within prison, like while giving them hope and trying to shift their mindset, but you do kinda get lost in that where it's like, okay, Andy's just kinda making it better for them in here and you never see him Carving away at the wall or whatever throughout the movie. Yeah. You're not I mean, you can put two and two together that he's got that mini pickaxe hammer thing. Like maybe that's what he's doing, but then they just show you that he's doing it to make chess pieces and all this stuff. So But I really I really like the way they set that up. And then they show you more after after they reveal that he's gone through the tunnel and they can't find him, then they start to tell you that stuff, which I just thought was a cool way of setting that up. The other thing that I was like that I was kinda like while watching the movie like I was kinda like Brooks gets a bunch of time in that span where I was I was kinda like, this is interesting. Mm-hmm. The other thing was just like the the sisters group that like it just attacks him every once in a while and I was like, Dang, this is like like it gets kinda dark like right away. Like just like throws you into prison basically, like kinda showing what like what goes on and like what happens and then The dude just gets beat up so bad that he ends up paralyzed or whatever and then he has to go to a different Yeah, W. Yeah. Different hosp or different prison or whatever. Yeah. But that's like obviously a testament to Andy's character too, 'cause he doesn't retaliate. He doesn't even like give up their names or anything. He just I mean, he just kinda lets it I mean he doesn't let it happen, but when they're watching the movie or whatever, he could have yelled or screamed and someone could have probably heard and came in there or something. But he's just very unproblematic and is really only focused on what we learn is getting himself out, but also changing the mindset of the people that are in there, and trying to build a better life for them too. Yeah, I was Tommy, I was gonna say his death is really sad because one, he is He's like the only guy that for sure knows the truth. And he is like the symbol of hope for Andy because Andy knows that that's his one shot of getting out of prison the right w or I mean not the right way 'cause he's not supposed to be in there, but that's like his legitimate shot at getting cleared from his charges. And Tommy kinda at first is depicted as like cocky and arrogant and Just like a teenager essentially. and then you see the him and Andy's relationship kind of continue to grow as Andy helps out Tommy. and it's kind of like a tough love situation where Andy's like, if we're gonna do this, we're gonna do it for real. Yeah. And he helps him, and then you see Tommy. get pissed and 'cause he doesn't think he passed and he ends up passing while Andy's in the hole or whatever. And the guard comes and tells Andy that hey the kid passed like C plus average. And you just see that little smirk on Andy's face. Like again, Andy should not be in the hole, but he's not like yelling at anyone and then he hears news about Tommy passing. passing his his test. Yeah. Here's here's that news about Tommy. It's happy. And then the interaction between Tommy and the warden outside where the warden's like, If we do this I need I need to know that you don't have a shred of a doubt that Andy's innocent basically. He's like, Yeah, absolutely. And then he gets shot out there and they frame it as he was trying to escape, and that that's their cover up for killing him. But like when he dies, that is essentially Andy's the hope of getting out legitimately dying too. so yeah, that was just a lot sadder for me the second time through. I'd probably agree with you that Brooks is a little bit sadder. Mm-hmm. But yeah, but I mean fat ass kind of sets the tone. He kinda sets the tone for like the brutality of Sha Shakes. Especially when I mean even when they just they beat him up and then he starts crying. Yeah. Or He's like crying before. He's crying and then they bring him out and then they beat him up. Yeah, yeah. And it all starts as the bet from the guys on who's gonna cry first. Yeah. And you see the one guy he's like excited that he won wins the bet. And then as a guard keeps going closer to him, he's like, Shut up, shut up, shut up. And And then they find out that he died. Yeah. And then that kinda Andy asks what his name was, which is kinda fitting for his character, like Yeah, very fitting for his character. Everyone else is like taken back that even asks this. And they're like Yeah. Basically the norm at Shawshank is you don't go poking around. No, yeah. The guy who when they're all walking in and they're like fresh fit. Did you see this? I don't know. Fresh fish, like that scene when all the guys are like kinda the new guys are coming in, like fat ass and Andy or whatever. Yeah. The one guy's like Fresh fish reeling them in or whatever. Do you remember that? Yeah, I remember that. Morgan Freeman's son. really? Yeah, and he's like in Morgan Freeman's like mug shots. Yeah. I saw that. When he threw like when he's getting rejected or all whatever all the time, that's the same guy, like his son. Yeah. Which is cool. Cause I mean it looks like a young Morgan Freeman. Yeah, it does. So It's a funny scene. I like how it shows you each time that Morgan Freeman's or red is I don't know what it's called, like the appeal or whatever. like it shows his attitude shift like each time. Yeah. You know, the fur it's like the first I think it shows it three times and the first two times he's essentially just trying to say what he thinks they are looking to hear. Yeah, the first time he's like kinda like excited or yeah seems like very hopeful. Yeah. And he's like, No, I'm not a danger to society. Like I have definitely been rehabilitated. All this stuff. And then He kinda realizes by the third time like It w it doesn't really mat Yeah, he just kinda tells him to F off and Yeah, and he's like, What like re do you feel re rehabilitated? He's like, What the heck does that even mean? And then he's like, Well, it means this, this and this. He's like, I know what you think it means And he sees that kind of like perspective change after Brooks dies. Mm-hmm. And you know, like if Brooks was rehabilitated, then what does that mean? Yeah. Because look what's look what happens to him. So that's probably something that Rego is read as like I that word doesn't mean anything because look what d this guy was in here for fifty years. Yeah. You know, he was rehabilitated. Yeah. He couldn't take like a week or whatever. So like Yeah. So he just kinda tells them to screw off and then they approve him. Yeah. That's a good point. I think well, I'll just go in general with Red's narration, with Morgan Freeman's narration. I kinda talked about a little bit with Dune how I'm not a huge fan of opening monologues or like expositions in general where someone's explaining stuff. And I feel like a lot of the times I don't love narration either in movies. Like I Almost kinda rather let the movie speak for itself. And I kind of feel like narration is a crutch that can be used to move things along, but I think it works perfectly here. Yeah, especially with Morgan Freeman. Yeah, like it it's he could say anything. And I d it's kinda like Michael Cain too. Yeah, definitely. Just they kinda got that same sort of presence with their voice. But apparently the big inspiration for that was Goodfellas because they have What's his name? Manny Lyota or Manny Lyotta or whatever his name is. He narrates Goodfellas, and apparently Frank Deramont, the director, would watch Goodfellas every Sunday while they're shooting this. Did you see that too? Like to like stay on. Yeah. And okay. Did you look at the IMDB trivia? You were just looking up stuff and saw this. I watched like you YouTube videos. Is that what I've never seen? IMDB as like a trivia. yeah, it's like fun facts. Yeah, it says trivia, but it's just fun facts. I know it. You like scroll to the bottom of the IMDb page and there's like trivia. Sure. And then you can click on it. There's like a bunch of stuff on there. But Hm, that's cool. Yeah, I thought that was interesting too. Like that's just kind of surprising to me. Like I don't know what like the why would you wanna do that? You know what I mean? Like would it be like is that the inspiration for like the actual movie or like what are they trying to do saying that or whatever? I don't know. Or like why would that be I don't know. Like why would you make that like what does Goodfellas have to do with like this story, I guess, or like I don't know. Maybe just maybe just the narration. Yeah, he just really liked the narration of it. And so he used Morgan Freeman. And apparently this is like the first Morgan Freeman narration. Really? kind of role and that kind of kick started like a not really a typecast, but kind of like a typecast for Martin Freeman to narrate. Sure. Narrate stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Another scene that I really liked was when Andy plays the music on the yeah. On the loudspeaker and and locks the door. Just ca I mean we talked about it earlier, but just like how he is like not being phased by like the it being institutionalized or like he's not letting him like get at him and he's kinda talking about music and yeah. Essentially how that's like you need to keep like that some sort of like that Spirit. Otherwise, like that's you know, they can't that's something that they can't take away from you, he says a couple of times. so yeah, that scene is pretty cool. That scene's one of my favorites. Yeah, and he knew that he was gonna get in trouble for that. Yeah. But he was again trying to be that reminder for other people of stuff that goes on outside the walls. Right. And that there is hope and there's beauty outside of here. And then one of my favorite things is like when he gets out of the hole they're like What do you you know, what are you doing in there? And he's like, I'm listening to music. Like, what are you talking about? And he's like, In here. Yeah. In here. And yeah, I think another reminder to those guys that stuff can kind of live on basically. Right. yeah. For sure. Apparently that scene too was Tim Rollins. I don't know if he improvised, but it was Tim Robbins? Yeah, Tim Robbins. It was his idea that to apparently originally it was he played the music for a little bit and then when they like got on him he just paused it. Mm-hmm. It was like his idea to lock the doors and everything and turn it up and blast it to everyone. So I think that made that scene perfect. Yeah, I saw something else. I don't know if this is like accurate 'cause I was like thinking about it and I was like I don't know. But the Mozart piece is like about two It's like I can't remember what the what the actual like meaning of it is or whatever, but it's essentially like someone catching their wife like cheating on someone or something. yeah. I saw that too. I don't know if that's accurate or not. Yeah. I th I think so. Yeah. That's what I thought that was cool though too. If that's true if that's true. Yeah. Like kind of what gets Andy wrongly accused or whatever. Yeah. And the kind of the same thing where like The warden will like essentially just decides like his fate, like killing Tommy and then, you know, throwing him in the hole for doing whatever. And then he throws him in there for a month and then opens the door and he's like, Yeah, Tommy tried to escape. Yeah. Give him another month to think about it and shuts the door. He's like, Wow. And then you kind of see like he starts talking to Red like Essentially like, Ma, I'm kinda tired of being in here, like Making you think he's gonna kill himself. But really what he's saying is like I'm I'm leaving. Yeah I'm getting out. I'm getting out. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really getting out. Yeah. Like for real. And when he like puts the Rockhammer in his Bible. yeah, yeah, yeah. You see where he puts it? He puts it on Exodus. Yeah. no, I didn't see that. So it's like, you know, like the the slaves getting out freed. Yeah. So he starts it on Exodus and I thought that was cool too. And he says, like the warden comes in and says like salvation lies within. Yeah. For Andy. Yeah. It actually it lies within. Yeah. Salvation is the the hammer. so I yeah, I'm I'd be excited to watch it again and just yeah, kinda obviously I mean most be I feel like most people know like he gets out. Yeah. before even but still there's a lot of details that you don't even see. Yeah. Or that you wouldn't pick up on if if you hadn't watched it all the way through. Yeah. Yeah. So that that was cool too. I just I loved all of the shots that were like inwards, like inside of the confined space looking out. So like anytime they opened the safe or whatever to put the stuff on like it was from inside the safe. Yeah. And then obviously when they discover the tunnel that he made, like just the shot from inside the tunnel. Yeah. I thought all I I just thought all those scenes were really cool. Those shots are sick. Just a creative way to do that. the way they find out is kind of funny too. It is hilarious how they find out. And I was kinda laughing during it 'cause like he's like With the warden's getting so mad and like he just asks Red like Yeah, he's like he actually doesn't know then the warden is like I see you two spending time together. Yeah. Yeah. Red's probably like what did you think was going on? What do you mean? When they walk in and he's not there. Your first watch. What did you think happened? To Andy? Yeah. I thought I knew he escaped. But did you know it was behind the poster? Yeah. Okay. You knew all that going into it. Okay. Yeah. I can't remember what I thought the first time. I would have loved to watch this movie Like without knowing without knowing a single thing. I can't remember what I thought. You thought he like went out the window or something? I don't know. But app apparently all those posters Tim Robbins like handpicked himself. Really? Yeah. Which I think is hilarious. Okay, another thing for your first watch, did you know that he didn't kill his wife? No, I didn't know. Okay. Yeah. I I mean I think they do a good job of like revealing that. Yeah. And within the first like 15 minutes, you actually don't know. Like you don't. I mean it it almost sets you up to assume that he did. Yeah. 'Cause like he's drunk and Yeah. Which I I really like that too, 'cause it kind of is like leaning into unreliable narrator territory where I don't know, it's like maybe the whole movie exactly it's from Andy's perspective and you think he's innocent, but then, you know, they say everyone's innocent at Shashank. And then I'm thinking like maybe at the end it's gonna be this revelation that He actually did do it or something like that. Kind of like not as mind bendy as memento, but like kinda something similar to that where you can't trust the narrator. The thing that was tripping me up even within like the first twenty minutes, I was like kind of thinking he didn't he didn't do it because they were saying there was eight bullets and he has six. Yeah. And like he had to would have had to reload. Yeah. I don't know, it just seems like That seems like a detail that's like Yeah. Who's gonna do that? Yeah. That's not gonna happen. Yeah. You're not gonna reload your gun with just two bullets. Yeah. And then shoot once more. Yeah. I don't know. But and he throws his gun in the Royal River. Okay. The Royal River is you know like Stephen King likes to do that with all his stuff. No, I he like he kinda likes to make or like See you gotta remember I'm not cultured like you. I don't I literally just found this out. But like I kinda knew him. Like it's kinda like he does like Easter egg type stuff. Yeah. That's all I knew. but the Royal River is in Stand by Me. I did see this. It's like the one where they get all the leeches on and they have to leave. Yeah. Yeah. So Yeah. That's kind of cool too. I wish more directors would do stuff like that. I know. It's kinda cool. Well it's kinda Disney kind of does that where they yeah, which those are always fun to pick out. Yeah. And like the shining room number is the same as Red's cell number or something. really? Yeah. Dang. That's just like a number, so Yeah, but that's still sick. Yeah. Stuff like that, that's pretty cool. I'm trying to think of if I have any other scenes. Besides the last, besides the ending. Yeah. Dude, I love the ending so much. Just like the last, like I mean, the whole movie's awesome. Yeah. But the last like 45 minutes is perfect. Yeah. Alright, well we'll we'll I'll kind of lean into him escaping. But so like you said. I think it probably originally gets set up with the the shot of him being like held over the roof and it's like you can see past the wall and there's like the greenery. I saw this analogy where It they go into Shawshank and they're like naked and they get Red's narration is like their babies and So essentially they're like born at Shawshank. Yeah. And then like Andy escaping and he I don't know, goes through all the poop and stuff in the sewer. And he like actually crawls out of the sewage pipe drain thing and ends up in the water. Yeah. And then cleans himself. Like that's just like the signifying of like a rebirth outside of Shawshank. Yeah. And just about how like that is capable, but really hammering home the point that you're being brought into something totally different in prison. Yeah. About how and a lot of people do end up like living a lifetime there. And even if they do manage to get out or have the chance of getting out after a certain time period, like a lot of people don't want to, because that's their life and that's what they know. Yeah. And even if they have opportunities that's like outside, which they probably won't. it's just kind of scary to go into the unknown. Yeah. And I just feel like like I've I've never been to jail or anything, but like just that that premise is super that's a good way to make it relatable for like anyone watching. Yeah, definitely. You never been? I I know. Have you? No. No. Actually I was at Alcatraz. were ya? Not too long ago. Yeah. I That's how they kinda escaped Alcatraz too. The guys like cut out like part of the thing and then they they got in like the sewer dream and then they climbed up to the roof. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And they left but they left like paper mache heads. That's a movie I wanna watch. Escape from Alcatraz. Yeah, I I need to wa it's on my watch list, I think. Yeah. I think another thing with the ending is it kind of sets up that like Andy is the redeemable character. Yeah. And when he kinda gets out like, okay, Andy's been redeemed like they could have ended it right there. But really like we I felt like I needed Red to be redeemed too. Yeah. And him getting out and essentially like combating the reality and the result that Brooks had, like him being able to have that hope from Andy and escape basically and then we see him reunite with Andy at the end. Yeah. Well and and like the scene where he's like I'd like the where he's driving his car. Yeah. And well and for like the scene where he goes to the bank and like the another cool part is like where he's been setting up like he sets up the guy his identity for when he gets out. I which I don't honor I mean, whatever, it doesn't yeah make sense, but like that scene is sweet. And then when like the cops are coming, Andy switches the the Bible and like all the papers and sends it into the local news or whatever, and then so the cops are coming to get the warden. And the warden is like well I guess nobody really knows about this figment that Andy makes. But if there was one person that would be, it'd be the warden and then he ends up killing himself. Which is the reality that it seemed like was gonna happen to Andy. Yeah. Like it happened to Brooks, and then it's gonna happen to Andy. Yeah. And that changes fast. So I like how they set that up too. thought that was really cool. And then it's he's got like three hundred grand or something. Yeah. And then he just books it down and Then he leaves the note for for red under the under the tree. And then I he says you know the city or something like he doesn't know the name of the you know you remember the name of the town. He sends him the postcard from where he crossed. Yeah. In Texas. Like basically saying, Yeah, I'm the that's where I'm going. I'm there, basically. Yeah, you remember the name of the and then Red says it right away. And then I saw they were like they did a couple they shot a couple endings. And they they did one where it ends where Red is just on the bus. Okay. He's like, I hope to get to the border and I hope to see my friend. That would have been a good ending. Yeah. Yeah, that would've been that would have been a good ending. And then the producer, like the executive producer, said Like you owe them like a reunion. Like a reunion. And then I guess they did a bunch of test screenings and like the people loved the the ending where they see each other. Yeah. And they shot some stuff like they see each other and then there's like a like a dialogue between too. I'm glad there wasn't a dialogue. Me too. Yeah. I really like that last shot. Yeah. Like zooming out. I do too. Yeah. And I my I love how he says like I hope to See my friend, I hope to shake his hand. Yeah. And they don't shake hands. He goes in for a big hug. Yeah. Sounds really good. Yeah, that's perfect. That's a good way end it. he's just got a boat. Yeah. There's no hotel. He's just like scrubbing a broken. Yeah. I don't even know what he's doing. Why are you scrubbing it? Yeah. It's right. It's on the beach. You need to fix it first. Yeah. Yeah, he is he's just happy. True. That's yeah, it's true. I saw I saw a video too that was really interesting and it was just like pointing out all of the Christian themes that are in the movie, which is funny because a lot of the movie is about how like the prison basically uses like the Bible and stuff to kind of like mask all the bad that they're doing. And that's kind of their way of covering it up. But yeah. And he basically I don't know. I I I can't remember exactly how the video phrased it, but I was like, that's kind of interesting point. And apparently it's been brought up to a bunch of the casts and stuff. And they're like, that wasn't our intention. Like it's not like a like how Narnia is like a direct kind of thing where the line is Jesus. Like it doesn't do that in the movie, but Yeah, did it yeah, it definitely has like a lot of that type of stuff in the Thing that the warden's wife makes that covers the safe. Yeah. Has I have it. His judgment cometh in that right soon. Yeah. Which is a cool like Yeah, it is. thing to put right there on the safe, which is where all the corruption and scamming is happening. Yep. Yeah. I just saw something funny, but what? I just wrote I just wrote down in quotes. Some buff at ass? No. I'm gonna go pinch a loaf. Yeah. That's that's what the guy's the guy says to Andy when he's in there. I've just never heard that. Yeah, that's a pr that's a pretty good one. Yeah, there is some fun like the fun the way they talk is funny. Yeah. But I have after Andy gets out and read is Morgan Freeman's narrating. And he kinda says something along the lines of how it makes him happy to know that Andy got out, but like there still is a part of him that is sad that he's not there. And it like ends the narration with I guess I just miss my friend kind of thing. And that was just like a super latable just growing up or moving away. Yeah. Either moving away to college or like moving back from college. Like you know, people are right moving on or getting jobs or going to school somewhere else. And it's like you're happy for them, but like there also is kind of that selfishness of like, well, I'm not gonna see him as much anymore kind of thing. No Oscars. That's insane. That really is insane. Do you have anything else? No. Five out of five movie. Five out of five movie. Ten out of ten movie. Yeah. It's great. IMDB's number one ranked movie of all time. It's like the most voted on movie of all time. Two on IMDb, yeah. Which is cool. the whole story of it just kind of doing terrible at the theaters and then coming out on VHS and cable and kinda having that second life is really cool. I wish Tom Cruise would've done it. Tom Cruise would have missed it. It's impossible there's a way out of that. It is funny. have you wat or watched or listened to the rewatchables at all? I've seen some of them. They have like categories that they go through on all their episodes, and one of them is that they do on every episode is casting what ifs. Yeah. And so like they talk about all these different people that were in line for the movie. Uh-huh. And it's just it's so funny to think about how different of a movie it is if it's not Robbins and Morgan Freeman and they're like There was a bunch people I can't remember exactly, but I know one of was Kevin Costner. Really? Yeah. I don't I don't know for what role. but there was a long list of people that were in line for this movie. Yeah, I think Costner yeah. I think Costner would have been good as Andy. But I and yeah, it's I don't think I think Yeah, I don't I think they did perfectly. I think I think Robbins is perfect. Me too. Who I'll I'll ask who is your who's your favorite character in the movie? Who's my favorite? I think Red's my favorite character. Okay. Another thing I was gonna say I forgot to say that like He's like the guy who can get all the stuff. Yeah. And he can he's like, you know, trading cigarettes, betting cigarettes or whatever. And not once in the film does he ever smoke a cigarette. Yeah, that's true. That's a good point. Never smokes any. So it's like him being and like he's a pure kind of like Yeah. And that's like in line with Andy too. Like just how they're both selfless people. I find him to that. Who's your favorite character? It's it's Andy. Yeah. Yeah. And I think 'cause so I was debating on what I wanted to ask you first. Favorite character or favorite performance? Okay. And my favorite performance is Tim Robbins. And I see a lot of people say Morgan Freeman. I would say Yeah, I would say I like Tim Robbins performance. Okay. I think he has a better performance. Okay. I like Red's character better. Okay. 'Cause I was wondering if if maybe you liked Morgan Freeman's performance more, if maybe that's why you like his character more. 'Cause I feel like I feel like that's why I like maybe Andy's character more. like I don't know if actually as a character I like him more, but it just comes off that way 'cause I like Tim Robin's performance a lot. I was surprised when I saw that Morgan Freeman got the best actor nomination and not Tim Robbins. Yeah. I think they're both deserving and it's not like a bad thing that Morgan Freeman got nominated, but I just thought it was kind of a bummer. Yeah, no, I think he does. I think he fits the character perfect. Yeah, and I just think he has to be a lot more like refrained and and he kinda he has like more of a development as a character throughout the movie, I think, too. Yeah. He's like the super quiet guy at the beginning. Yeah, he kinda becomes a different person than he ever was, even even when he was on the outside. Yeah. He kinda talks about that, like he didn't really he doesn't really say much, you know. Yeah. Reds that yeah, you're a bad husband. Yeah. Yeah. Bad husband, maybe. Yeah. But I saw he was just Tim Robbins was just on Joe Rogan's podcast. And I really yeah. I really wanted to watch it. And I just I just didn't have time before doing this. So I I definitely will sometime this week. 'Cause I want to hear what he has to say. 'Cause I know they talk about it quite a bit. Yeah. but the other thing I was seeing like main people's like kind of critiques of it. One, like nobody has like a like a Eastern accent. 'Cause they're like in like Maine. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. So there's no like that. And then the other thing is none of them like a they they say they don't age at all. But I was like, so that was like I think Andy does. I thought Morgan Freeman did too. Like he looked I don't I don't know he hardly ages in general, but like it definitely seems from the start of the film and the end, I can definitely see I was gonna say I think like Andy's character for sure. The one guy put on his YouTube video, he's like, here's them at the start of the film. And here's them at the end. It's like there's no change. I'm like pausing the video. I'm like looking at I'm like, yeah, there is. I yeah, I think they do a great job of playing that time. I mean, it's like I don't know exactly. I know they say they say something. which is crazy, but and I saw like Tim Robbins is like six five. Like he's huge. So they had to like do a lot of like a lot a lot of the scenes that are like sitting down. Mm-hmm. They have to like do that and like a lot of the camera angles are like shot from like a little bit above his like kind of line of sight and like kind of like down towards the other character. Did you see that that played a role in them casting the warden? Really? Because they wanted him to wear the exact suit that the warden had. really? Yeah. They wanted Andy to? Like to steal a suit. Yeah. Yeah. So what they cast a taller guy? Yeah. He was I think they said he was like six two or something like that. Dang, that would've been sick if like the suit was just clearly too short for him. Short, like just super tight. He's going into the band. He's like ripping. Yeah. That would've been funny. That would've been funny. Because I was gonna say the suit, he looks it looks like it fits him at the end. And I don't they could have just done it where they just give him the same type of suit. But they wanted it to be the same exact suit. So He steals his shoes. Yeah, so that affected that affected the casting of the Warden too. yeah, I is this the first film that we've both given a five out of five that re reviewed? Nirvana. And the Odyssey. yeah, duh. So like half of our views. But But these are all three of those are very worthy of a five. Yeah. Extremely worthy. Yeah. We should Well, on on my letterbox I just made a list where and I just called it like the Podyssey or something. And I'm just all the movies that we've reviewed. I'm not ranking I'm just doing movies we reviewed like newest at the top or something like that. That's good, yeah. I saw so w the one podcast that I really like the Real Talk. Uhhuh. They have like what they call the Real Talk Collection. So it's like the Criterion Collection with the Real Talk and it's so they have four hosts. And it's every single movie that all four of them give a five stars. Like it's added to the Real Talk collection. So we might have to get a Podicy collection going. We should do that. Where we see all the or yeah, all the movies that we both give a five star. We I saw I gotta work I gotta really put some working on my letterbox account. You've got like nineties, two thousands, twenty tens, don't you? What? Do I? I thought you tagged this one on like nineties. yeah, a tag. A tag. Yeah. Okay, so that just that's not a list. Right. That's not a list. But then you can click on the tag and then it'll it'll show you all the movies I've tagged that. okay. I see what you're saying though. Yeah, well then there's no point to make a list if you can just do that. Yeah, there is unless you're gonna rank them. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I should do that. Yeah. But then, yeah, whatever. But yeah, so Shawshank Redemption, highest ranked movie of all time, voted on by the fans of the Podicy. What was in second? Was Lala Land was? Lala Land was second. And then Fight Club and Whiplash were both tied, actually. But it was close. It was Shaw Shank was like two above Lala Land. And then Whiplash and Fight Club were one below land. but yeah, we we obviously want to talk about everything and like all the niche stuff, but we understand that not everyone is gonna be excited to hear about all that niche stuff. So we we wanted to try and give you guys something. that you guys could look forward to and gave you guys a little bit of say in this. So we'll keep doing it going forward. obviously well, we said at the very beginning when we started this, like we do this because we like talking about movies and we have a lot of fun doing it. And we'll I mean we'll we'll talk about what we want to talk about, but also we understand that we we want people to want to listen to what we talk about too. So that's a good So it it was it was cool to do that and this was really fun to review. Obviously this is Andrew's first time watching it. So it gave him a reason to finally watch it. Yeah, I know. my my mom was scolding me for not watching. Really? Yeah. She's like, What? I think I think another thing too that's worth pointing out is like when I was editing our sci-fi draft. It was like we were talking about the comments we got on one of the videos about it. Like, how do you guys not have this on there? And it's like we don't have the podcast to say like we're more credible than other people. Like we're just doing it 'cause we like talking about movies. Well legit one of the main reasons I wanted to do this because 'cause I feel like I didn't watch enough movies. Like I've watched so many more movies now than which it just makes me happier. Yeah. So Yeah, and we just want to document it too. Like now we have all this stuff documented. Yeah, thanks for checking out episode fifteen of the Podicy, the Shawshank Redemption Review. Next episode we have a IMDB top two fifty draft. So IMDB is we said that this is ranked number one on IMDB, but it's just a very famous site for movie rankings and Yeah, we're gonna do a draft of the top two fifty. It's one of the most famous movie lists and we'll see ya there. See ya.