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Crime Con: Long Island Serial Killer Suspect Rex Heuermann Connected to More Deaths? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome everybody, Welcome to Crime Con number one.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. You know what, isn't it
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  Speaker 1: great to be with like minded spirits? You know?
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  Speaker 2: And people think this is a big boondoggle. That's not true.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone here, I believe, is seeking justice and whatever way
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  Speaker 2: we can be in a podcast, putting up a missing flyer,
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  Speaker 2: endlessly emailing, calling.
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  Speaker 1: Writing, our congress people.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what they're doing in Washington, but I
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  Speaker 2: can say this clearly, not much, because crime is going up.
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  Speaker 2: It's not going down. That's what's supposed to be happening
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  Speaker 2: with all our tax dollars. Ain't happening, but a one
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  Speaker 2: man crime wave, Long Island serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: And you were with me, Karen Stark was with me.
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  Speaker 2: That's before I knew the rest of you awesome guests
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  Speaker 2: at the very beginning, when we were out going to
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  Speaker 2: Gilgo Beach looking at the scene. There is no way
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  Speaker 2: in h E double l that all of these are
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  Speaker 2: not connected. I mean, Joe Scott Morgan is joining me.
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  Speaker 2: He is a renowned forensics expert, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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  Speaker 2: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and Star
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  Speaker 2: of Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan his wife and
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  Speaker 2: I came up with that name. By the way, don't
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  Speaker 2: even try to take credit for that, Joe Scott. There
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  Speaker 2: is no way that a woman killed was in at
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  Speaker 2: Davis Park and another jurisdiction, and so of her body
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  Speaker 2: parts are found at Gilgo Beach.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way she's not connected. And there's so many
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  Speaker 1: more guys.
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  Speaker 2: I firmly believe that there are going to be victims
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  Speaker 2: in Vegas where he had a time share that he
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  Speaker 2: visited without his family there. And that compound down in
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  Speaker 2: South Carolina. His brother owns this huge compound. He also
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  Speaker 2: has land there and they're trying to buy out the
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  Speaker 2: neighbors for what There's no way these cases are not
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  Speaker 2: connected except maybe maybe the first victim.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the fact that there are so many
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  Speaker 3: similarities relative to methodology, and also here's the key in
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  Speaker 3: that area. It's so very specific geographically and isolated, and
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  Speaker 3: the deposition of the bodies. When I think about, you
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  Speaker 3: know what we class clinical.
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  Speaker 1: Right to stop right there?
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  Speaker 2: Did you say the deposition of the bodies? You mean
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  Speaker 2: where they're dumped? I think is what he's trying to say,
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  Speaker 2: is that what you're trying to say?
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  Speaker 3: Bodies are left, yes, deposition and they were hidden.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, tell him about the scrub out there, how thick
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  Speaker 2: it is in.
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  Speaker 1: Front of a body and not see.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. If if you're attempting to hide
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  Speaker 3: a body, why not bury it? And but my thought
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  Speaker 3: is is that you would have to have a conveyance
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  Speaker 3: like a vehicle. You would have to understand.
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  Speaker 4: You mean an avalanche, Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It is an avalanche. Yeah, that's the one that they have.
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  Speaker 3: You have to be familiar with the area and you
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  Speaker 3: have to be comfortable in that environment to drive in
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  Speaker 3: that area and to know this is this is a
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  Speaker 3: big thing when I'm looking at it. You have to
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  Speaker 3: understand traffic patterns when it is the quietest, when it
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  Speaker 3: is the darkest, and when it is essentially the most obscured,
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  Speaker 3: because you don't want to get caught.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, you're hearing what he's saying.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to tell you that I interviewed a
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  Speaker 2: sex worker who met up with the alleged Long Island
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  Speaker 2: serial killer Rex Hureman. They went to dinner at a
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  Speaker 2: prayer range location. He found her online, like all of
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  Speaker 2: these other people.
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  Speaker 1: Other women that are now dead.
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  Speaker 2: She got such a creepy feeling from him, and he
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  Speaker 2: kept insisting that she get in his car and go
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  Speaker 2: with him back to Long Island for their date.
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  Speaker 1: And she said, well, I'm going.
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  Speaker 2: To take my car and he went no, no, don't
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  Speaker 2: take your car. And he never mentioned to her how
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  Speaker 2: she was going to get home. Now, this is a
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  Speaker 2: woman that had had many, many dates, hundreds, maybe thousands,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, and she got so skewed out by
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  Speaker 2: Rex Huerman she wouldn't go.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't want the money. That bad. Okay, So what Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Scott Morgan is saying is correct with me. Is Karen Stark,
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  Speaker 2: renowned psychologist located in Manhattan, but really all over. You
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  Speaker 2: can find her online at Karenstark dot com. And I
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  Speaker 2: always say Karen with a C you will be able
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  Speaker 2: to find her.
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  Speaker 1: The familiarity.
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  Speaker 2: And you know this Sanna Bremner, she's a high profile
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  Speaker 2: lawyer out of Seattle joining us. The familiarity, Like.
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  Speaker 1: Think about it, what if you had a dead body
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  Speaker 1: in your trunk? What are you going to do? You
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  Speaker 1: don't want to drive around with it and get caught.
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  Speaker 1: That would be my look.
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  Speaker 2: They still ask me for id at for a check
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  Speaker 2: at the grocery store. So you got to get rid
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  Speaker 2: of the body. Where would you go somewhere you're familiar, right, explain.
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  Speaker 5: Within the same vicinity, because it's so important that you're comfortable.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the thing, the main thing when it comes to
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  Speaker 5: serial killers, they are very crafty. They don't want to
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  Speaker 5: be caught, right, That's the thing. They need to be
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  Speaker 5: very it's this is stealth. So they have to know
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  Speaker 5: exactly where they are and how to do this. And
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  Speaker 5: as Joe Scott said, you have to do it at
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  Speaker 5: night and make sure think about that area. I've lived
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  Speaker 5: in Long Island.
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  Speaker 2: She just reminded me of something. And people say, why
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  Speaker 2: do you interrupt? Well, because I will lose the thought
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  Speaker 2: and it'll be gone forever. When the sex worker was
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  Speaker 2: having her date with Rex Hureman, he said, how do
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  Speaker 2: you think the Long Island serial killer did it?
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  Speaker 1: So I need to shrink on that. I am to
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  Speaker 1: answer that.
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  Speaker 2: And he was saying, this is how I think he
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  Speaker 2: did it. I think he dragged the body like in
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  Speaker 2: Cameo or something, through those this really thick scrub and swamp,
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  Speaker 2: kind of like marsh and he described her how he
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  Speaker 2: thinks the killer would have done it. He was basking
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  Speaker 2: and relaying the facts, and she told me to my face,
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  Speaker 2: she said, it was like he was reliving it, Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like he was just telling a story like
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  Speaker 2: we are right now, like reliving it, killing the ladies,
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  Speaker 2: dismembering some of them and hiding their.
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  Speaker 5: Bodies, grandiosity. He's he's and this is one of those
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  Speaker 5: things that another thing about serial killers that I want
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  Speaker 5: to share with all of you, which is that they
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  Speaker 5: have huge personalities. They are narcissists, and so as often
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  Speaker 5: as he could and it's not just the one sex
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  Speaker 5: worker that you spoke to, Nancy. He loved to talk
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  Speaker 5: about the Go Go Beach killings and what did everybody
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  Speaker 5: think about it? And he had that kind of an
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  Speaker 5: ego where he really wanted to get the acclaimed for
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  Speaker 5: being that person without identifying.
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  Speaker 2: Himself with me is Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter
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  Speaker 2: Nicole Parton, Nicole, isn't it true that when rex Huerman
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  Speaker 2: was first booked, one of the first questions he said,
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  Speaker 2: was the press talking about it?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, he wanted to know if it was in the
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  Speaker 6: media yet how much which media coverage he was getting
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  Speaker 6: was it making the headlines? He was very much interested
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  Speaker 6: in knowing if he was becoming a star already.
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  Speaker 1: And that even.
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  Speaker 6: Goes back to his coworkers that he worked with. Now
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  Speaker 6: that they're being interviewed, these people are saying the same
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  Speaker 6: thing about him. He loved attention. There was a coworker
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  Speaker 6: that he stalked and he showed up on a cruise
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  Speaker 6: ship when she took her birthday vacation cruise.
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  Speaker 2: Oh can you think of a cruise with Rex Hureman
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  Speaker 2: on the show?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, not the birthday I'm hoping for it.
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  Speaker 2: Not the birthday we want, Okay. So first thing when
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  Speaker 2: it gets to the jail, the media covering me?
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: I mean I'd be wanting to go. Look, I got
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  Speaker 2: to get home to my children. No, I gotta get
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  Speaker 2: out of here.
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  Speaker 1: But no, he wanted to know is the press covering this? Guys?
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  Speaker 2: I still have two incredible guests and Jackie, let me
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  Speaker 2: know what we can start taking questions. Oh, I haven't
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  Speaker 2: even gotten to Vegas. There's five bodies there that we
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  Speaker 2: know of, right, Scott and South Carolina listen to this.
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  Speaker 2: The other day, Jackie and I were talking to a
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  Speaker 2: very dear friend of a woman, also a sex worker,
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  Speaker 2: who went missing. This was her friend and the friend
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  Speaker 2: of the victim's daughter. That weekend, the daughter was graduating
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  Speaker 2: high school and she was going to get her nails done.
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  Speaker 1: Don't look at my nails awful.
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  Speaker 2: A guy pulled up with her mother to the nail
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  Speaker 2: salon in a truck she believes to be an avalanche.
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  Speaker 1: She positively identifies.
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  Speaker 2: Rex Huerman as that man, and she remembers him because
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  Speaker 2: he was bragging that he had a place was the.
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  Speaker 1: Beach of the lake he said he is was a lake.
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  Speaker 2: Right, he had a lake, cows and he wanted her
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  Speaker 2: and her friends to come over. Ew asleep over with
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  Speaker 2: Rex Huerman in the next room, no, and bragging about
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  Speaker 2: his money and his position to the daughter, and the
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  Speaker 2: mom drives off. She's never seen alive again. So we've
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  Speaker 2: got five victims that we're looking into in Vegas, same
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  Speaker 2: mo and they look the same as the other victims,
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  Speaker 2: amazing physical similarities. And I believe multiple South Carolina victims
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  Speaker 2: with me. Also are two incredible guests. Number one my friend,
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  Speaker 2: my longtime friend, Anne Bremner. She is a very high
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  Speaker 2: profile trial lawyer out of the Seattle Jurisdiction. She is
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  Speaker 2: a legal analyst and she is author of Justice in
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  Speaker 2: the Age of Judgment. I mean, you have dealt with
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  Speaker 2: so many homicide defendants, and I'm not asking you to
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  Speaker 2: divulge any of their information, of their names, but.
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  Speaker 4: What do you make of Hureman.
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  Speaker 7: So I come from the serial killer capital.
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  Speaker 8: I think of the United States and Washington State, and
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  Speaker 8: we had Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer. My
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  Speaker 8: ex husband, Sean Henry Brown represented Ted Bundy. So you know,
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  Speaker 8: Heberman is just so creepy and he looks so kind
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  Speaker 8: of Wall Street, normal, Empire State building. Right, he does,
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  Speaker 8: in some ways look so normal, but then he's so creepy,
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  Speaker 8: and that's kind of like Ted Bundy. I still see
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  Speaker 8: my ex husband for dinner sometimes. He said that Ted
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  Speaker 8: was not anybody that you would think was okay, which
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  Speaker 8: I thought was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: He's not anybody that you would think is.
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  Speaker 8: Like as a woman sitting down with Ted Bundy, that
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  Speaker 8: you would know.
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  Speaker 7: He was a creeper.
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  Speaker 8: You he was a creeper, which surprises me because so
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  Speaker 8: many women went with him. Remember, he probably had over
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  Speaker 8: one hundred victims all over the United States, Colorado, Washington, Florida, Utah,
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  Speaker 8: everywhere and they all went with him. So that to
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  Speaker 8: me is just so scary. And this guy looks creepy
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  Speaker 8: but also normal in a way to me.
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, guys, I had the opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I wish you could have met these ladies, and
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  Speaker 2: you can meet them. I got to sit down.
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  Speaker 1: With did we have two or three? We had three.
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  Speaker 2: Victims right that lived, and I remember I remember speaking
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  Speaker 2: to another victim with doctor Oz.
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  Speaker 1: These ladies are so much like us.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't see anything coming, they didn't know
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  Speaker 2: anything was wrong. They wake up and somebody standing over
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  Speaker 2: them that starts to.
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  Speaker 1: Club them to death. It was horrible.
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  Speaker 2: It changed their lives forever they lived. But I find
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  Speaker 2: it really interesting. You sit down with Bundy and you
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  Speaker 2: just know this guy in law school something is way off.
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  Speaker 2: Guys with me and hey, everybody on the panel jump
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  Speaker 2: in except.
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  Speaker 1: You, Joe Scott, you just shut the hay up. You're
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  Speaker 1: just here for your good looks with me.
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  Speaker 2: Also a guy I don't know if you've met him
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  Speaker 2: Net yet, Joseph Joe jackelone former NYPD sergeant, cold case investigator,
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  Speaker 2: author of the Cold Case Handbook and the Criminal Investigative Function,
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  Speaker 2: a guide for a new investigators. And you can find
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  Speaker 2: him at Joseph Jackelone is crazy spelling dot com g
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  Speaker 2: I A C A L O n E, but it's
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  Speaker 2: pronounced jackaloone. This is your neck of the woods, gilg
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  Speaker 2: Beach and beyond really Davis Park where the one other
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  Speaker 2: woman was killed and then her body parts are found
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  Speaker 2: on Gilger Beach. You have so much knowledge, just let
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  Speaker 2: it out. I'm not gonna even limit you to a question.
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  Speaker 3: Go yeah.
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  Speaker 9: There's a number of cases that could be included in this.
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  Speaker 9: There's a number of dismemberments. So we have Peaches from
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  Speaker 9: Hempstead Lake State Park.
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  Speaker 2: We have Vale a minute drinking from the higher fire hydrant.
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  Speaker 1: Too much at once, slow it down?
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  Speaker 4: What so we have.
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  Speaker 9: We have Hempstead Lake State Park with Peaches. We have
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  Speaker 9: Valerie Mac.
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  Speaker 1: And Peaches is a victim, right.
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  Speaker 9: Valerie Mac and Jessica Taylor are also found this membered
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  Speaker 9: in a place called Manorville.
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  Speaker 4: And then we have Fire Island Jane Dow.
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  Speaker 2: How far away is Manerival from Gilgo Beach. There's dead
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  Speaker 2: dismembered ladies at Manorval. That killer was called the Manival Butcher.
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  Speaker 2: I believe the Manival Butcher is, in fact the Long
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  Speaker 2: Island serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: They're one and the same.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's about forty miles from Gilgo.
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  Speaker 9: But when you do these, when you plot these cases out,
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  Speaker 9: it's all in an oval and human's houses almost right
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  Speaker 9: in the middle of it. So if anybody lived on
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  Speaker 9: Long Island, I've been there almost my whole life, it's
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  Speaker 9: pretty clear to see once you map them out. And
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  Speaker 9: one thing, cops don't believe in his coincidences, and I
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  Speaker 9: certainly don't believe in them. I've been a My theory
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  Speaker 9: has been has been one person from the very beginning,
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  Speaker 9: and it's a person that has changed his MO not
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  Speaker 9: for any other reason other than the technology that became
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  Speaker 9: available to him.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, let me just take that in.
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  Speaker 2: He changed his m O because first the Mannibal Butcher
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  Speaker 2: was dismembering all of his victims. Then the later victims,
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  Speaker 2: the Gilgo Beach victims, were not all dismembered. That's the
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  Speaker 2: change in them to which you are referring.
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  Speaker 4: Is it not correct?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 9: And the reason is, and this is what you yelled
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  Speaker 9: at me for last time. The but it's important to
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  Speaker 9: understand the My theory has been that the girls who
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  Speaker 9: were dismembered were street walkers.
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  Speaker 1: Do you call them girls?
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  Speaker 4: Ladies?
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  Speaker 9: Women?
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  Speaker 4: What do you like me better?
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  Speaker 10: Is it he?
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  Speaker 2: She? And when does it matter to you that they're
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  Speaker 2: street walkers? Why is that your problem?
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  Speaker 4: The street walkers is actually he.
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  Speaker 1: Says street walkers, Well, he says street walkers.
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  Speaker 9: There are different types of sex workers. There are street walkers,
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  Speaker 9: there are escorts, there are women who run the hotels,
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  Speaker 9: there are the online girls. They're all different categories. So
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  Speaker 9: it's not used as a derogatory term. From an investigative standpoint,
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  Speaker 9: it's used to determine.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when somebody says, I don't mean this in
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  Speaker 2: a bad way, but then they're going to say something
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  Speaker 2: bad or no offense, but it's always offensive.
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  Speaker 9: I've never been accused of having a filter. So it's
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  Speaker 9: it is what it is.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 9: So, in the policing aspect of it, you look at
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  Speaker 9: this and say, well, why were these girls dismembered and
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  Speaker 9: the others not? Well, because he picked them off the street,
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  Speaker 9: he ran the risk of being identified. Somebody could have
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  Speaker 9: said I saw her get into the car or truck
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  Speaker 9: with this guy. I mean and you think about Rex,
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  Speaker 9: he definitely stands. I mean he was he like six
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  Speaker 9: foot five, three hundred and something poundsies. He's not somebody
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  Speaker 9: that just blends in. So I think the killer was
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  Speaker 9: worried about that, so he decapitated them. He cut their
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  Speaker 9: hands off. So their bodies were found in one location
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  Speaker 9: and the rest of their remains were found in Gilgo.
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  Speaker 9: So there's the connection between the two.
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  Speaker 1: So the strong connection to.
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  Speaker 9: The Manorville cases. Half in Gilgo and half in in Manerville.
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  Speaker 9: And Peaches was was found in the barrel like a
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  Speaker 9: bucket kind of thing, and her baby was found in Gilgo.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, right, right, this is important.
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  Speaker 2: Will you say that again? Where was Peaches found and
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  Speaker 2: where was the baby?
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  Speaker 9: Peaches is found in Hempstead Lake State Park, which is
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  Speaker 9: in Nassau County, which is the county over from where
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  Speaker 9: we're talking about, and her infant daughter was found in
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  Speaker 9: Gilgo Beach.
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  Speaker 2: Say that the location of the disbursement of the victims'
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  Speaker 2: body parts, when in combination with the Gilgo Beach bodies,
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  Speaker 2: they're clearly connect it. I mean, how can it be,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Joe Scott Morgan jump in Karen Stark and Bremner,
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  Speaker 2: Nicole Parton incredible experts and reporters. Please jump in, Nancy,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, okay, listen to Joe's To Joe's point,
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  Speaker 2: thank you, uh.
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  Speaker 3: To Joe's point. Here, here's what's significant for me with
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  Speaker 3: the with the dismemberment cases, those those that have been recovered.
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  Speaker 3: You need privacy in order to facilitate this. This is
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  Speaker 3: not something you're going to do in your front yard.
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  Speaker 2: Please and regular people talk. If you're going to chop
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  Speaker 2: up a body, where are you going to do it?
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  Speaker 3: Not in your car and not in the front yard
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  Speaker 3: or you know any you have to do it in
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  Speaker 3: a motel, have privacy.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Would you even do it in a motel because that
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: would be afraid I would leave too much.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I suppose you could maybe in a bathtub. We've had
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: cases where that sort of thing has occurred over a
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: period of time. Here's the here's the key. You have
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: to have a kit with you in order to do this.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: If you're doing dismemberment, you mean like Dexter. Be honest,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: we have never watched a full episode.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Forgive me, hey got me through my pregnancy. Go ahead.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: You have to have a kit. So you're going to
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: have to have tools, sharp instruments, particularly saws, in order
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: to facilitate it. And as you go along, as in
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: the universal sense, not you, but as they go along,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: they acquire knowledge as they do this. And what's really
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: key here is that you go from actual dismemberment, which
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: is a form of a true form of desecration of
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: a human remain two where there are almost the bodies
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: are being memorialized in his own way, where they're being
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: wrapped at this point in time. So there's like a
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: progression and a change relative to how he's treating the bodies.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: And that's something that you has to be taking a long,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: long look at.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: That's really interesting Joe Scott, you know, because he was
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the first, I mean I knew it from an instinctive level,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: instinctual level, but he first voiced it, verbalized it. And
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the cult mom Laurie Valle case, the way the two
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: children were treated Tilely was based excuse me. Jj was
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: basically hermetically sealed and preserved.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Tilely, her sixteen.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Year old daughter was literally rendered like an animal at
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: a slaughterhouse. All that was left of her was a
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: bucket of human fat and tissue singed now I don't
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: know what that means because I'm not a shrink.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just a lawyer.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: But the way the bodies were treated differently that Joe
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Scott just brought up is really important.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: It's really important because again you're talking about a serial
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: killer and people are not real. They're objects to him. Absolutely,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: So the whole idea of wrapping them in burlap like
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: you're giving a gift, or they're not, they're not living,
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: wrapping her.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Life as a gift. I think of that as something bad.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: Well, think about Nancy. It's it's not a real person.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: You're just like wrapping it up like a doll. Really,
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: like not not something that you see as alive. Because
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: they don't have feelings, they don't have empathy, so people
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: aren't real to them. It's easy to kill that way.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Am Bremner.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Ted speaking of the authorities or the experts that say, well,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: it's not the same person because of the different MO.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: That's technical legal term bs because Ted Bundy changed his MO.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I mean he started off in a VW bug going
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: hah and lost or some crap like that, and then
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: you get the girl close enough and it would be
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: just like that to grat she's in the car, or
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: he would lure her into the car and going, could
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: you help me get to someone? And so then there
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: was the fake broken arm. By the end of it,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: he was just clubbing people, going into their place and
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: clubbing them.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Completely different. One victim of ted Bunnies was.
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: Like fourteen, yeah, and they e didn't think there was one. Yeah,
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: that young.
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: And Tacoma where he had a paper route and he
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: I mean sometimes he used like a crowbar. He had
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: a paper route in Tacoma where he grew up, that
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: where he went to law school. But he sometimes would
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: hit him with a crowbar, knock him out so fast,
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: like in between sororities and fraternities at the University of Washington,
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: Central Washington University. Like Samama, she had two victims, remember
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: Gianna saw It and Denise Nasland. He had a broken
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: arm and he wanted some help to put a boat
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: I think on his car, something on his car. Very
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: nice women went with him. Sometimes he would need help.
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: He would drop books and say can you pick those
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: up for me? Then he'd hit them with a crowbar
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: all through Seattle, Dacoma, even down to Oregon.
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: Then he went to Utah, went to law school in Utah.
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: Then he went to.
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: Colorado, remember, and then he went escaped twice, once through
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: a light fixture and once jumping, Yeah, jumping out a
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: window of the law library, a library at a courthouse, Yeah,
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: Kittom County.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: And then to Florida.
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: And my ex husband said he had a conversation with him,
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: and Ted said where would I most likely get the
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: death penalty? And John Henry said Florida and that's where
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: he went.
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: Wow, Nancy, there's something else that you want to talk
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: about in regards to the photos from the search warrant
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: where they showed the tub taken apart in the house. Yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: because they're looking to see if anything was cut up
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: in there and the anything might have seeped through the
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: coulking or the tile grout and that kind of thing.
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: I don't think anything happened inside of his house, does it?
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: Heay?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Wait?
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I want to dissect what he just said.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Too many nosy neighbors of it there.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Joseph Jacklone, former NYPD author. So, I was thinking when
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: they were tearing apart rex Huerman's house, and do I
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: feel bad about his wife and children having to go
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: back in the house and it's all torn up, yes,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: but I feel worse about all the dead people exactly.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I mean really, when they were taking the tub, I
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: was thinking, but I did not want to criticize the
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: play if I'm like, well, you know what, you're a
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: few years too late on taking that tub out, but
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: you're right, and they were right.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I was wrong because if any of their blood had
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: seeped in, and it does, boy, fluids can do that,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: it could still be in the tile to this day.
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: You can never fully clean up a crime scene, even
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: if you set it on fire. So ladies, if you're
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: thinking about killing your husbands, you know, don't worry about it.
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: You're not going to be able to get away with
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: it totally.
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: No.
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: But the reason is is I always help people. If
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: you made a milkshake one day and the cop came
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: off and the milkshake went everywhere, you know, six months later,
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: you pull the dish out and there's a a bout
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: of chocolate milk on.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: It, you can't.
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: You always miss something. And the reason why they pull
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: that out is they're going to do their blood tests.
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: They're going to do the thing. I mean, listen, you
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: might find you know, their blood, you know, the family
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: because they live there. Of course, I mean, that's just what.
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: But here's the other thing that no one's really discussing.
• 24:55
  Speaker 9: They also called the medical examiner to the storage facility.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Now, oh yeah, we haven't heard.
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, there's only one reason to do that, right, So
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: they might have found something, whether it may be blood,
• 25:04
  Speaker 9: you know, but you can answer that out right. Someone
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: might have cut themselves putting something away, but they found
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: something that to say, let's get.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Them eat is to take on what it actually found there.
• 25:13
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• 25:17
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• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: A lot of us in the room already know the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: history of the case up to right now, I want
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: to look forward. What's happening now. I believe authorities are
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: looking at Vegas, five different people, five different women.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, and South Carolina. Bring everybody up to date with
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: your novel.
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: They're investigating against South Carolina because Huerman purchased eighteen acres
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: of property there in a very secluded area eighteen and
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: on that property that he purchased, there are many bodies
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: of water, little lakes and ponds, very secluded rural area,
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: and so obviously they're investigating there is that a place
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: where he took victims, and it goes back to the
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: avalanche that you've spoken of so much. That avalanche was
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: also found on the property in South Carolina. So we
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: have the Las Vegas five victims, but we have a
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: huge investigation now in South Carolina because of its property
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: in addition to that avalanche.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: And that was odd about well, everything you just said
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: is odd. But did you hear say the Vegas five.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: It sounds like the Gilgo five. Okay, go ahead.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: The search warrant for the South Carolina property lists things
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: like pieces of a leather belt.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: And remember that was one.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: Of the first pieces of evidence that was shown, that
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: stamped leather belt with the initials on it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Still around or with one of the dead victims, yeap.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: So they're looking for pieces of a leather belt. They're
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: also looking for the stamp that was part of the
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: search warrant for South Carolina, looking for things like condoms,
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: looking for things like weapons and more burner phones. All
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: of that was included in the search warrant for his
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: eighteen acres in South Carolina.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Trying to just take in everything she's saying. The Chevy avalanche,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: which as I recall was discontinued manufacturer in twenty thirteen.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So if there is a Chevy Avalanche somewhere, that means
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: it could beat the Chevy Avalanche that was used during
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: some of the killings. That's the significance. That's why I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: keep talking about their manufacturer date crime stories with Nancy
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Grace Long Island serial killer. I believe it's going to
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: be the Vegas serial killer. I believe it's going to
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: be the South Carolina seerial ki killer. And I believe
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: he is one of the same as the Mannerable Butcher.
• 28:05
  Speaker 9: And then it's going federal what And then it's going
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: federal federal. Yeah, it's going to be taken out of
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: the hands of Suffolk County. It is gonna go federal.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: No, I like the new people at Suffolk County, remember
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the old suffer County.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: It's about leverage, though, Nancy, because once the Feds get in,
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: the death penalties on the table.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: But wait a minute, Wait a minute, who was it
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: that was having sex with hookers?
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: James Burke excuse me, sex workers?
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: What James Burke, Chief Burke.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: The Suffolk County Chief of Police.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: And I know he didn't want the FEDS in on this,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: you know why, because they would have found out he
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: was having sex with sex workers and didn't want to
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: blow up his empire. And it all came to light
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: when somebody stole a bag of sex toys out of
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the back of his car.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Isn't that how it went down?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I mean really, so you don't want him in charge
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: of a murder investigation where all the victims are sex workers.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: So he's out and now there's a new one in
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: who I think is pretty good.
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: Rodney and I were sergeants together. Yeah, he's he's very good.
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: And then actually when he first came out, he took
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: a big chance. He said, this first day there, he
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: went to Gilgo and said, we're going to solve this case,
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: this case, and he did.
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: He asked me question, Yes, hi, my name is Karen.
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: I'm actually from Suffolk County, and I was going to
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: ask about Jimmy Burke to Joe, does he have any
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: connection to rex Hureman?
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: Is a lot of things, but he's I don't think
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: he's the killer involved in this. So there's no connection
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: so far from what we've heard of to rex Hureman.
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: The only thing that we know is that there was
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: lots of corruption going on that prevented a lot of
• 29:49
  Speaker 9: this investigation from happening because they were more interested in
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: saving their own behinds instead of Actually.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's what he was interested in. I
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: think he was interested in continued sex with sex workers
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and not getting caught and getting paid by the government.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: We're talking about the former chief.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah.
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: Unfortunately, unfortunately for him beating the suspect cause first law,
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: because the federal investigation, which then the district attorney got
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: involved with, and then was the cover up and the conspiracy,
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: and that was the real workings behind it.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Now, remember Burke only came in.
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: A year after this case had already started, so he
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: you know, he's not the chief that was.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: The chief of police, had anything to do with the murders.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I think he had a lot to do with throwing
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: off the investigation because he didn't want to be investigated
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: for being with sex workers.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Is that do you think that's right?
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: Well, he he took the best investigators he had and
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: put them in places where they can find out if
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: the Feds were talking about him, instead of putting them
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: on the case.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: That's basically what happened in that whole thing. I mean,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: when you.
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: Look at how they saw this case pretty pretty quickly
• 30:52
  Speaker 9: taken over the task for us they find I mean
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: the information was in the case folder for them, that made.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: The Chevy Avalanche was parked in front of human's house forever. Okay,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: where is my question?
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Hello?
• 31:06
  Speaker 11: Do you think uh Rex told anybody? I mean thirty
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: five years. I couldn't keep a secret for five years.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And do you think his brother?
• 31:18
  Speaker 11: We haven't heard anything about his brother, And I know
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: it's early, but what are your thoughts on his brother?
• 31:27
  Speaker 11: Haven't heard a lot about or or if he really
• 31:31
  Speaker 11: told anything.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: My brother has not been arrested yet.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Yet, which tells me would anybody agree or disagree? I
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: don't think the brother has been accused, of course, I'm
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: sure they're looking at him as having anything to do
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: with the murders. Now, should he have known if bodies
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: were being buried on his property? I don't know, but
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I can tell you this much, that's an excellent defense.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't know. So unless they can tie him directly
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: to a murder or the disposal of the body, he
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: is at this juncture without blame. Hey, jump in, you're
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the high profile lawyer and Nicole part and remember you
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: have he did.
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: He did sell the avalanche to the brother, So the
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: brother did have possession of said avalanche.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: L partner you think you said, hey, is that blood,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't think so.
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: But he but he it was on his property that
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: that avalanche was recovered, and he owns the adjoining property
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: there in South Carolina, the brother, and.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: They got to keep the leverage angle of this thing too.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: They don't.
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: They don't start locking everybody up because everybody gets a lawyer,
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: and then nobody could talk to anybody. So they keep
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: everybody at bay until they either figure out they're involved
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: or not. Then they say, okay, here's the deal. This
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: is what happens. You either talk or you go to jail.
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: And that's how these cases wait.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: You may.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: They don't arrest everybody and then let them go when
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: they feel like it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, no, we don't.
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: We don't really care for lawyers in this kind of things,
• 33:00
  Speaker 9: So we want to make sure that we stay them
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: as far away as possible. Because soon as you label
• 33:04
  Speaker 9: somebody a suspect, that's it absolute right. The council attaches
• 33:06
  Speaker 9: and good luck, Eva Dolbert.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: But I want to add that family members often have
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: no idea what's going on around them.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: So perhaps, but.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: In most cases the family members are not involved well.
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: And Gary Ridgeway was married three times in his last
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: wife got the Green River Killer and the Green River
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: Killer in Seattle.
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: I think he played guilty to forty eight deaths.
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: But he had three wives, and his last wife said
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: it was a perfect marriage.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: Perfect marriage to a serial.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Killer, A perfect marriage.
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: And then Ted Bundy of course had a long term
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: girlfriend that never knew and she turned him in at
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: the end, but many many years she had no idea and.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: B t K Okay, where's the question? Ah? Right there?
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Hello, I was wondering how would they track someone's burner
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: phones if.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: They throw them away?
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I love this part, the forensics of his burner phones.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: You hit it, Jackline.
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, this was a big blow for all those drug
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: dealers out there, and that because they think that they've
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: been anonymous for all this time. But the only thing
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: I could definitely tell you is don't take a selfie
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: with your burn a phone.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: That's really not a good idea.
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: But this is what Rex did, right, He took several
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: cell You know, took several things, and then he also
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: went into the store and paid more for minutes, which then,
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: as you know, and from what we believe, it was
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: a credit card. So once again, now it's no more
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: a Berna phone. So there's a lot of times it's
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: just mistakes. But now they have the technology, they can
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: narrow these things down within a few feet and be
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: able to tell you what cell tower it hit, what
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: time it hit, and it's it's been pretty amazing. I said,
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: there's a lot that opened up a lot of eyes
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: in the underworld when they when they broke this thing
• 34:39
  Speaker 9: about the because he has seven of them, I believe.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: And another thing, you can take the victim's cell phone
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: data and see the burner phones calling in like when
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: you get an incoming call and then they start noticing
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: the same number. And not only that, you can extrapolite
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: and figure out where a call is coming from. And
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: some of the calls, for instance, the one that was
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: taunting the victim's family, he would call and say, Hey,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: where's your sister? I did X, Y and Z to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: her before I murdered her. It was made right above
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Penn Station in New York. You got Pen Station which
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: is Amtrak. You got Grand Central which is more local,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: but pen Station was what he would take to get home,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Together.
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: They gave them the box too when they got when
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: he went back to Messapeaka with the phone, and the
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: last ping was in Massapequa, so this was all they had.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: This pretty amazing.
• 35:38
  Speaker 9: So they had the ping, they had the towns, and
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: they had the description of him and the truck and
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: it took ten years to find it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, look at Joscott Morgan.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: What is going on in that head? Okay, you're sitting
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: there having forensic thoughts.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I think hit me.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Relative to the tracking, I think that it's essential because
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: not only do you have the sequencing of him going
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: out and buying a variety of different phones, but what
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: what's fascinating to me is that when you utilize an
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: item like this, these millstones that we carry in our
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: pockets everywhere we go, even if it is a burner phone,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: if you're reaching out to the sex workers and communicating
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: with them visa these things, then you're going to have
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: their data. And look, the police are not blind to this.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: They're going to dig into if they can get a
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: victim identified, and that's the most important thing. You get
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: the victim identified, the decedent that you have, and you
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: begin to track back through their history. You have a
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: lot of these sex workers that are in the realm
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: of the escort world, so they live and die by
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: whatever device, whether it's a computer or whether it's a phone,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: whatever that and you're going to leave this digital footprint
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: along the way, and any kind of communication that they
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: might have with this individual is going to When you
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: marry that up with the physical evidence that you actually
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: find at the scene, this location data, it can be
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: really hard for the defense to overcome.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: And sex workers don't change phones. It's their business.
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: So that you get the constant phone number, the same number,
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: and when you start putting that pattern together, and that's
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: what backs you into these kind of things.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: But you have to be looking for it.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: That's the only point you guys, how often have you
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: changed your phone number. I've had this phone number since
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I started Court TV with Johnny cop from God Rest
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: His Soul in nineteen ninety seven, the same phone number,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: and if I change it, well, I'm not going to
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: change it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So that's a really good point, Jack Alone.
• 37:43
  Speaker 12: Yes, Hi, my name is Brittan from Columbus, Ohio, And
• 37:46
  Speaker 12: I actually have two questions. So, since Rex seems to
• 37:49
  Speaker 12: like to brag and kind of talk about it, do
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: you think at any point he will end up confessing?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: And your mind so much with my daughter, I don't
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: know what you're saying.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: She talks so high that only dogs can hear what
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: she's saying.
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: What you have to yeah, like all of us. Do
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: you think do you think Rex will end up confessing?
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: You're talking about it. Since he seems to like to
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: brag about what he's done.
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: Does Rex chance of confessing? I don't think so. Unless
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: the Feds Rex confessing to this. What are the chances?
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: I think it's zero unless the Feds come in and
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: make the case, because the Feds can then hold the
• 38:26
  Speaker 9: death penalty over his head see New York State. Even
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: though you have the death penalty, you need the Feds
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: now to step in and do it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: So if they or you got South Carolina in Vegas
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: right well, like.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: I said, all they need is that want.
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: I mean technically, I think I can make a federal
• 38:38
  Speaker 9: case out of it right now. Just because you had
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: girls come from Philly and Jersey, so that transportation, I
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: think it's a hobs Act and then.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: White a minute, and plus what about wire Oh yeah,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know that it crossed Yeah, but the hobbsack
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: or email or something, it crosses state lines that Feds
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: can get you.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: So i'thing something that's a great question.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Something that we really haven't mentioned relative to Gilgo Beach
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: is you know there there are these four other victims
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: that they had mentioned out of Atlantic City at some
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: point in time, and my understanding is that they were
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: the deposition of the remains is that they were approximating
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: the same location and that they were laying in a
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: specific direction. There was directionality, and so they're all in
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: the same area. And I think there was an old
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: hotel there or something. It's gone now, the Golden Key. Yeah,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: the Golden Key a notel motel of that. Yeah.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: So its but she asked about a confession and you
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: answered that.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Did he answer your question, lady.
• 39:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah, there's no reason for him to confess unless they're
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: going to hang a death penalty on.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Right there, Go ahead, sir, huh.
• 39:51
  Speaker 10: Hi, Nancy. My name is Dan. I'm retired law enforcement
• 39:54
  Speaker 10: from California, and several years ago I worked in Las
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: Vegas as a ride share driver. So the Las Vegas
• 40:01
  Speaker 10: part of this case really interests me geographically. What area
• 40:06
  Speaker 10: was his residence in Las Vegas?
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: And I may be able that's a really good question.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: And isn't Jackie isn't didn't he have an email address?
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: It's a Springfield guy, and somebody goes missing in Springfield
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: as well, so I think we may actually have victims
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: in Springfield area as well. Just throw that into the pot.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Were what was the area?
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: I don't know the exact area, but I know that
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: his windhom properties were transferable and so they actually stayed
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: at about four different condos from one side to the other,
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: so he was moving around when he would make these
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: trips out to Vegas.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And I have been told and I need to go
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to Vegas and look for myself that one of the
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: properties and Nicole Parton's talking about is not far from
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: the strip where these women would have been. I mean, guys,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: have you ever been to Vegas?
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: All on the.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Ground there are like flyers with ladies like practically need
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: on them call this number or this email. It's like
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: looking for a Niel in a haystack. But you're right
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: geographically from what I've been told he's right on the scene.
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: And they have his DNA.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: They had to fight for it, so they have his
• 41:20
  Speaker 9: DNA to match it up the cases. But we have
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: that was about two months ago. They had to fight
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: New York for it because New York is New York
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: and said you can't have it. So they had to
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: go through the courses and they get it.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: They're trying to match up DNA right now and I
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: think there may be a match, but we don't know
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that yet.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: One more Good morning.
• 41:35
  Speaker 13: I'm Kimberly and I'm from outside Buffalo, New York. My
• 41:40
  Speaker 13: question is they had all this evidence on Rex and
• 41:43
  Speaker 13: it took them ten years. Now is it due to
• 41:47
  Speaker 13: the fact of the occupation that these ladies had that
• 41:51
  Speaker 13: they just quote unquote didn't care because cell phone records
• 41:55
  Speaker 13: would have been the first thing that I would have
• 41:58
  Speaker 13: looked at.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: It's because they didn't care.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, they didn't care because they were sex workers and
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: they didn't care. Wait, they didn't care because they were
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: sex workers. And the chief of police didn't want the
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: investigation because he was sleeping with sex workers allegedly. Okay,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: that's why it took so long. But I don't think
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: we have that problem anymore. So I think it's full
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: steam ahead. Really good question, and you quickly quickly.
• 42:22
  Speaker 14: Hi, I'm from Greenville, South Carolina, and I'm all up
• 42:25
  Speaker 14: in my husband's business. So how is it that you
• 42:29
  Speaker 14: can have How can you live with someone for that long?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: And could be?
• 42:34
  Speaker 14: Is she a I don't want to blame her at all,
• 42:37
  Speaker 14: but I'm just saying.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Is she How did the wife not know? Is that
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: your question? Yes, ma'am. Okay, you're the strength.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: Think about BTK right, think about.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: That.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: I think it was a coed killer. But if you
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: look at serial killers, there are some that's the extraordinary
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: thing because we think they're monsters, but many of them
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: actually are in relationship ships married. As I said before,
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: families are unaware and they're able to keep that going well.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: Though they have no real emotions, they can on the
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: surface come across as being engaged in a relationship having
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: a marriage. And I am not the least bit surprised
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: about that, not the least bit.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I agree with her what she said. I'm quoting the office. Okay,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: lightning around that means lightning. Joe Scott.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Final thought, this is what I think I want to know.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Why was the Emmy at the storage facility. Was there
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: some kind of anatomical element there that were trying to
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: identify as as some trophy? Is it something that he
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: had just picked up along the way. And also have
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: they found.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: A kill kit?
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Is there a murder kit that he had that included
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: saws or knives or anything like this? Ligatures, That's what
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: I'm interested in trying to understand.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I'm on that note.
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: His wife spent her summers out of the country in Iceland,
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: and it's believed that a lot of these crimes took
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: place when she was out of the country.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: And I tell you this much. It beig col d
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: aine Hl that David Lynch calls and said, I'm not
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: coming home tonight.
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well things happen, right. A lot of women don't
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: know what's going on.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Listen.
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: There's been a lot of times you call up the
• 44:17
  Speaker 9: wife and say, listen, we lock your husband up for
• 44:18
  Speaker 9: picking up a prostitute. And the first thing is, well,
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: he has a wife, And I'm like, well, that's your problem.
• 44:22
  Speaker 9: I don't know what to tell you. But there's a
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: lot of stuff that goes around that people don't know.
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: I just think we're going to see a lot more victims,
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: and a lot more from all of these serial killers.
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: They confess to some and there's so much more. It's
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: just incredible.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Sure, thank you for being here.