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Bear Bones 2025 Playoffs Divisional Round: Los Angeles Rams @ Chicago Bears · 2nd City Gridiron

1:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome into this episode of Bear Bones.
1:13
[SPEAKER_04]: We are in the divisional round of the playoff, something I do not think we would see coming.
1:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Even in the most optimistic of thought process, I had the bears at 10 wins, maybe sniffing the playoffs, having a good time and getting rounds, but here we are talking about a second game.
1:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Can we have one game that isn't a heart attack?
1:40
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you're not allowed.
1:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Not allowed.
1:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Damn dude.
1:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It's taking years off my life at least five or six.
1:47
[SPEAKER_00]: See, what you've got to do is you've got to learn how to laugh it off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like for example, the play where the packers through it to the eligible lineman and he fumbles it and the bearers don't recover.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm over here cackling, you know, that's that's my stress relief.
2:02
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to laugh it off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually watched that game with the Packers fan on my guy at him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Only Packers fan in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that I like.
2:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I've sat through plenty of bears, ass-wolf things at their hands, so it was nice to see it the other way around, but honestly, you just got to laugh.
2:20
[SPEAKER_00]: You just got to deal with the absurd.
2:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a gervan dexter, like, not true there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe people think he's as good as people think he is, but I saw him swan dive instead of just kind of like falling on the football.
2:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I lost my damn mind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's just, like just fall on it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do we do, man?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that one was a bit rough.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But you know what, we beat the packers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's all that matters.
2:48
[SPEAKER_04]: We are now talking Rams, bears.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what this show is gonna be all about here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So we're gonna get right into it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: First things, first is a couple of pizza news here, chart review.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Jalen Reeves Maven was promoted from the price points of the 53-man roster, linebacker Nephi's soul, who played 30 games across four seasons for New Orleans, which was signed to the practice squad, and yes, they are related to the, he's related to the other schools.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The most unfamiliar division round foes are the Rams and Bears, who's last met in the postseason in 1985, NFC Championship game, Chicago won 24-0 and end up with the franchise first and only Super Bowl ring.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if this familiarity matter at all a Kyrie in this situation or is this just, you know, playoffs or playoffs games or games?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would lean towards the latter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say the little bit of familiarity that that they have right from last year where the bears beat the Rams at Soldier Field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a little bit of a history of beating the Rams at Soldier Field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I will say there's there's a bit of familiarity that I was just thinking about today that I wonder how much it will play into this which is that The bears in a way are a bit more familiar with the Rams offense in particular than the Rams I think are with with the bears new offense under Ben Johnson and that is because Matt LaFlor
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[SPEAKER_00]: worked with both Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and is very much from that tree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he he worked as a quarterbacks coach, under with Shanahan, when he was the offensive coordinator with the Falcons, the year they lost Super Bowl for the Patriots and that unbelievable comeback victory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great tie in right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Le Floor has choking leads away in his blood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then the very next
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[SPEAKER_00]: in LA for that first season that the Rams had moved over to Los Angeles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's, again, not exactly the same, but some of the little tricks and some of the formations and a lot of the philosophies, while I'm sure they diverged over the years, some of the basic stuff is probably still there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Danny, what are your thoughts on that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it could matter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It could not, like
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[SPEAKER_03]: for being the punbot bare bones that is still in play for both offenses, but
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think like what was it this with the question the reporter asked where was like hey did you talk to Matt LaFlair like what who cares why is that I don't understand sometimes I feel like reporters just look for things to talk about which is obviously the job can can confirm but it's like that's to me that's just such a stupid in consequential question yeah he's calling up Matt LaFlair they're going they're scheduling a spot in they're going to go talk about bears offense of what to expect like we do it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: always looking for the littlest bits of news, really that we can just talk about.
6:00
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, that's all we have for that part because we have a bunch of other things that talk about, fortunately and unfortunately, starting on the unfortunately side, we're going to the training room roundup.
6:10
[SPEAKER_04]: And what we're just going to start with is, as we all know, bear's place, left tackle, azure pillow, and lineback at TJ at words on injured, reserve, Danny, I'll start with you on this.
6:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Which one of the two is the bigger loss for the bear?
6:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably Aussie because I feel like Aussie was trending the right way even if at the end of the day where like You may have only found a baseline mediocre starting left tackle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's still a good find in the second round.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Considering the history of Second round offensive tackles over time We're the most of them wash out flame out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They end up just kind of floating around the leaf for a while and the defense actively
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't want to discount TJ Adwords.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He clearly is a very smart football player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's just not athletic anymore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's been sacked of whatever average athleticism he's had due to injuries and lots of hits and everything like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the defense, it's not really a coincidence that the faster Demarco Jackson got in there and you saw a bit of an uptick in play.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I just don't think it's completely off the table that they got better when he got put into the trainer's room with the broken with the broken leg.
7:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I can hire any other boss to add on that like between Ozzie and TJ and the impacts that they are going to all to your will not have on this game.
7:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm in line with Danny on this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you have an average left tackle, that's almost by definition, a good left tackle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for the most part, you weren't concerned about how Aussie was playing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously he struggled against Miles Garrett, but I mean, that's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, for the rest of the time, you weren't really, you didn't really hear Ozzie's name call too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't necessarily see him getting torched all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, for example, you know, I was watching the New England Patriots, um, you know, against the chargers and, you know, for example, Will Campbell had himself a bit of a tough game, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the number four overall pick, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been good otherwise, but, you know, he has a tough game and it's kind of noticeable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't really even have that with with Ozzie and I feel like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I feel a lot worse about going from Azita Pillow to Theo Benadette, who again, I think played Admirably this year, given he's an, you know, former undrafted guy and obviously works hard and, you know, they trusted him enough to put him out there, um, but I, I'd like that fall off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, a lot less than the one from T. J. Edwards to, you know, say, to Marco Jackson because we've already seen the bears defense survive without their starting linebackers.
9:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And ultimately, I don't know that it's going to be the linebackers that ultimately win or lose this game for you in the same way that having to stop Jared verse might be an issue for the bears offense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: who to thunk it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But to go into some of the players who will be potentially playing this week, the only one to really expect not people playing is Nick McCloud, DMPs, the last two days with that groin, soft tissue issues, again, and issue for the bears, expect him to be another DMP more of most of the kind of Friday.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But other than that, everybody should be playing DJ Moore, Roman Dunzey, CJ Gardner Johnson, should be coming back from that concussion he was full, all your other two individuals who were also concussion individuals, so that's Joe Triantry Incas, so you get a little bit of that past rush back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was actually finding his right of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: before he went down the wooden cushion.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm an agum, but in Pomega he will be back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You now, you're back up left tackle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll be practicing Jones, who is a full participant the last couple days.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you're pretty much all hands on deck at this point.
10:14
[SPEAKER_04]: The only thing I would throw out there specifically with this list of people I just went through and then Daniel go to you, but it's elaborate on this.
10:21
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, Rome did not look like Rome.
10:23
[SPEAKER_04]: that's not a surprise on my end.
10:25
[SPEAKER_04]: He's coming off of that stress fracture.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It is still arguably not fully healed and even if it is, he had to spend multiple weeks not using it and the capacity he needs to to maintain football shape.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So for you, you know, are you so, you know, what is your thought process on, you know, are you surprised he and not necessarily looking like himself and what would you expect out of her own this week?
10:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Me, he caught the one great throw on 4th and 8th and Caleb, but other than that, he was kind of inconsequential, right, like he didn't feel his presence, he didn't.
11:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And like you said, Mason, like, I just don't expect much of him right now, or otherwise, like he's not going to be fully healthy.
11:12
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, I know stress for actually you hear about guys playing through him, even in Rome's case, he tried to play through him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He hear about sometimes big guys like tackles trying
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[SPEAKER_03]: but it's still a broken bone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's not gonna be just like up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, it's fine and better and I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They know he's trying to gut it out and credit to me clearly a tough kid, but he's not gonna be right until next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that sucks, especially when you're in the midst of the, well, what the hell is going on in this NFL playoffs?
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[SPEAKER_03]: where apparently the team we thought was the best team in the league for a while with the Rams almost coughed it up to the Carolina Panthers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Question Mark, like, I just don't expect anything from you.
12:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I put it this way in terms of expectation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anything you get from Rome production wise is gravy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would not put an expectation of him being some sort of stalwart of the offense or things being designed through him for this weekend's game plan.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a good way to look at it.
12:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Prior to the question, I'm going to kick to you is between the two individuals who will be back for the bears with concussions of a defense between CJ Gardner, Johnson, and Joy Tranchrinka, which one do you feel like you feel their presence most on Sunday?
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[SPEAKER_00]: unquestionably CJ Gardner Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For one thing, you know, having Kyler Gordon is back, but you know, it is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he did make some plays last week at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that you're experiencing some of the same things as you are with Rome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's clearly not a hundred percent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's out there, gutting it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: battling doing the best he can out there, and he was getting beat in coverage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we knew that that was probably going to be the case, though he still managed to make plays because in the end, he's a good football player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think having CJ Gardner Johnson in their in case Rome is not right or to give him a break.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an upgrade over Nick McCloud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm not trying to dis Nick McCloud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, we know what Nick McCloud is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a special teamer, you know, and he does his best when he's in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: CJ Gardner Johnson is a, you know, he is a guy that generally you can trust as long as the receivers you're putting them up against aren't too fast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's also physical, I expect in this game in particular, when physical play, I think is really going to decide how this game goes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Having him in the lineup to get hands on some of these receivers, make tackles around the line of screenwork is going to be a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I got some questions coming up later where you can elaborate on that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We got a flip to the ram side here for the rams.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Sean McVay confirmed Matt's effort has a spring finger will be okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A corner back, a kettle with a spoon, however, was placed on IR with a shoulder injury.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Everyone's had a spring finger probably at some point in their life, you know, a jam finger, things of that nature.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's Stafford's right throwing hand, his next finger.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I did want to highlight just a couple things here before we get into some of the other, uh, the rest of the injury report for the Rams.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's an important finger for gripping the football, but it's not the most important finger, and it's rolled depends on how the ball's being held.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Primarily contributors to grip strength is actually a middle and rainfingers, so those are the largest for force production.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The key rule, the index finger is really more precision control, fine adjustments, it really only gives about 20 to 25% grip.
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[SPEAKER_04]: strength there and really what it does, you know, for ball control and steering, helping stabilize the ball during passing, catching, grip initiation, tactile feedback, so century input, and for quarterback, some particular, you know, it matters for accuracy more than velocity.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's not going to be necessarily a fact time in terms of trying cut through the wind on Sunday, but you might just depending on how that thing you're seeing is feeling sea of the ball to be a little less accurate, which that might be
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[SPEAKER_04]: going on to the rest of, oh, that brand-der-hopeful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They'll have dots in for this week.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's been, he missed the past four games with an ankle injury suffering Seattle in the three healthy games with our dots in the injury.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Against the Seahawks, the Rams, averaged a hundred and eight seven rushing arch per game and six point of yards per carry in the four games without him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That includes the Seattle game.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Those numbers have dropped to 125 rushing yards per game and 4.2 yards per carry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So Sean McVay is really hopeful that he will be back for them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was a limited participant on Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We still don't have today's Praxian pork as heaven forbid that we did that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Other than that, you know, put a forward limited.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He should be playing in everyone else's pretty much full.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Doing personnel there to highlight his various Williams.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he just was out on Wednesday for personal reasons.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'll go to Danny for this one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is there any?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What do you your thought process because what is the most dangerous part for the Rams.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is it that run game or is the past game and I asked that because how important is Kevin Dodson there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're starting guards availability for this game.
16:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like just given the cloth that that a child may face cut from in terms of what he believes in on offense like I know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: very much staff advised it over the past couple of years, which is why he was top two or three in the MVP this year in terms of like betting odds, but third reportedly going to be having 20 to 30 a mile or a gust of wind off the lake.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like both teams are going to want to, you know, throwing back the clock to establish the run.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what they're going to want to do.
17:02
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be hard to tell if it's the finger, the wind, or sometimes a staffer is just prone to kind of giving you a hospital ball because he just does that, especially when he has trusts and receivers, shout out to old Cooper Cup and now, Pook and Aguila, who he's, if you watch, Pook and makes great catches, he also gets rocked a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's credit to Puka, be in brave and a good soldier, all that fun stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of times, staffer doesn't do his damage to keep his receivers out of harm's way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, Stafford tends to treat his receivers almost a little bit more like ponds.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, oh, no, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That one's broken.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Bring me another.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Kyrie, my question for you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mentioned earlier with his spoon, one of their starting cornerbacks is going to be a, is put on IR.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That leaves Darious Williams to regain his old position after a trio of healthy and active games for him to provide rotational support behind Kobe Durans and Emmanuel Forbes.
18:01
[SPEAKER_04]: People might remember how manual horror was as the guy who just can't play cornerback.
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[SPEAKER_04]: At least he couldn't even Washington, but it seems like he's found a bit of a home here with with L.A. What are your thoughts on that ram secondary and losing a guy like whether spoon who might have been one of the more consistent guys?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like and it's somewhere I've been kicking around.
18:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually feel like I like the matchup with the Bears cornerbacks versus the Rams receivers, more than I like the Bears or the Bears receivers against the Rams cornerbacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that receiving core, even without a healthy Roma Dunze especially now that you have Luther Burton third kind of coming into his own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a secondary that can be had also a manual forbs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He loves to jump, loves to jump some routes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you've got a situation where you can hit him with another one of those, you know, kind of game-ending double-move situations, I think you can catch him slipping.
19:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I don't think the ram's cornerbacks are much to write home about and if you're able to throw the ball in this weather, I think I like that matchup.
19:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to know the thing I like, Terrence Ferguson, tight ends, who's a early pick for a front pick for the Rams this last draft, he's going to be back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's going to make it a little easier for them to play their 13 personnel that they like to play, which we'll talk about that later and how important that is for their run game, which at times is your has been pretty dominant.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But we are done with the training room roundup, click break here, and then we'll be moving on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, our playoff edition of bare bones were continuing our playoff kinetic chain breakdown.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is where I just have some questions for Danny and Kyrie.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They, and they give me their feelings, their responses, their breakdowns of how this all helps me affect the game.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A couple of these first questions is looking back a little bit and how it connects moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, Danny, this is for you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm gonna get this to Kyrie, actually.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Before the ramps took the field with 234 remaining in the fourth quarter against the campus last week, quarterback Matthew Sanford told Widersay for Devon to add us, let's go snatch these guys' hearts.
20:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that a cold line or not?
20:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Relatively, uh, I think I think that just in general, well, if you pull it off, yes, it's cold.
20:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because then you went ahead and did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like the Panthers defense was kind of
20:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they just got a pick off of them earlier in the quarter I want to say so it wasn't a cake walk it's not like oh well the the Panthers are trash so you know, let's you know going and steal their souls even though they suck it's the playoffs so look I think I think it's a relatively cold line if Caleb Williams had said that we probably be on that.
21:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, I be all right, I think I think I did always think back to that video where when he was with the Lions, Matt Stafford, I mean like he like what dislocated his shoulder and was screaming clock, it clocked it in the least cool way possible, but then he went on a win the game, so I mean that's pretty awesome.
21:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was laying on the ground and then he was like, wait a second, like we still have like a second left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We still got another play and then he like gets up and they're trying to make him stay on the sideline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, no, man, get off me and he goes in.
21:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, if you need me to snap the ball, I could snap the ball.
21:39
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I did.
21:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so look, this is not bad, it's not bad.
21:45
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, this one is for you, Danny.
21:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Bears, why don't you even tighten around with Saturday and RoboDunes is first game back on the 53 killed way of drop-X.
21:53
[SPEAKER_04]: You had close to love of the 48, D.J.
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[SPEAKER_04]: more of 46, RoboDunes is with 39, Luther Bird with 35, Cole, commit with 23, Zacchaeus with 14.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you saw it in general, more three why don't you, were sets, commits, rule diminished.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Took nearly the entire season, but you saw Zacchaeus's,
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, roll it down with that love and clearly the alpha right now, that offense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So my thought would be, Requestion is to what are your thoughts on the snap distribution and will we you already kind of answered this, but will Rome see more in his second week back or do expect to still sit around the same thing, you know, a little less than the top guys like loved ones have been more.
22:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I would probably firmly expect for it to be a little bit less.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually think in an ideal world.
22:39
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not trotting three wide receivers out there as much as they would, like, as much as they were last week, because why were they throwing so much?
22:47
[SPEAKER_03]: They were down three possessions.
22:48
[SPEAKER_03]: They had to, they had to throw the headscorer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And an ideal world, I think they would like to run a lot more to tight on stuff with coal, combat and close to the moment out in the field, and coast and can then be your de facto big slot.
23:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Or even you can even line close to them about why he, he does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a good enough mover, he's an athletic enough guy for you could.
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[SPEAKER_03]: flip flop him and DJ or flip flop him and Luther or whatever it might be.
23:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Like ideally I think you you might see the number even go down if the game plan goes the way I think Ben Johnson envisions it in his brain.
23:21
[SPEAKER_03]: But if it's something like that, I would expect a percentage of snap to probably remain in the same row.
23:30
[SPEAKER_04]: And then
23:31
[SPEAKER_04]: We all know this Luther Britain ran the wrong route on Caleb's first interception last week.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Ben was not happy about it and when asked, was that a mailbox thing where Luther thought he was open?
23:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Ben cut the question off and said, nope.
23:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Do Danny do you think we see any shift in burdens, snaps or usage or, you know, they talked about it this week.
23:51
[SPEAKER_04]: They fixed it up.
23:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Luther is still going to get the snaps that he, you know, same thought process is last week.
23:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's probably going to be the same process of thought was last week, just because there's there's too many other questions, Rome's health isn't issue, there's the issue with DJ Moore's effort snap to snap, which I thought was going to be the Luther burden problem coming out of Mizzou, thank God it's not because he's the most electric guy with the ball in his hands on the team, I just
24:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't get to a place where, yeah, him running the wrong route on the dagger concept makes it a bad thing to keep him out there because he's got to learn number one.
24:36
[SPEAKER_03]: And number two, he's your best wide receiver.
24:38
[SPEAKER_03]: DJ Moore, Roma Dunzee, being healthy, be damned.
24:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think it's close right now.
24:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And do you really want another situation like Detroit where DJ Moore actively just
24:54
[SPEAKER_04]: No, 100%.
24:55
[SPEAKER_04]: And it doesn't seem like Ben is the kind of guy where all may be messed up one time and I'm sending you to the stocks kind of thing.
25:03
[SPEAKER_04]: We've seen like Zacchaeus have their own free drops.
25:06
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
25:07
[SPEAKER_04]: And we said, so we've seen Zacchaeus have multiple drops and he was being used for a while consistently over and over again until guys like Lothon and Burt for insert merging.
25:15
[SPEAKER_04]: We know that there's been DJ Moore effort issues on tape early or in the season that's gotten the significantly better.
25:21
[SPEAKER_04]: But so Ben's not the kind of guy where you make one mistake and he's just going to forget about you if anything like you were saying it's a teaching moment and where else do you really go?
25:31
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, as we talked about, I should be living down the fourth quarter last week and it's not for this season.
25:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll can the bears protect the quarterback without turning the offense conservative with field benefit with struggling past protection and taking over.
25:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think that especially depending on who's lined up next to him, you might just have, especially on passing downs, probably going to have to chip more.
25:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get out to give him a little bit of help.
25:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you can trust him to go on an island right now, and that just is the reality of the situation.
26:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, I think that I would probably say the same if Braxton Jones had to come in for any reason, whether Benedict gets hurt or he's just struggling.
26:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Um,
26:14
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just the reality of your situation.
26:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Trepello was playing decent football and now you have to kind of go back to the guy who was replacing him.
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It is what it is.
26:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I would hope that as we've sort of hinted at this point that they're going to be able to run the football and get downhill and you know kind of
26:35
[SPEAKER_00]: assert their will on the ground.
26:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And that that is going to make things easier from a passing perspective as opposed to constantly being in these run run past situations and then it's third and eight and you've got to you got to throw a You know what I mean At least at least when, you know, first and second down enough to where you can keep the playbook open, you know what I mean?
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah
27:01
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to have to help.
27:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And no one, no one in the league calls a higher percentage of run plays on third in me.
27:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that four to six yard area than Ben Johnson, because I like to say that up.
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I like to go for it.
27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say that.
27:13
[SPEAKER_00]: You likes to go for it.
27:15
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's another key to keeping the blame of open.
27:19
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't think I would really live to see the day where everyone in the Chicago land area all of a sudden becomes amateur meteorologists.
27:27
[SPEAKER_04]: But here we are, you know, Saturday and Carolina, the Rams played in the temperatures in the sixties of strong gusts of wind.
27:33
[SPEAKER_04]: This week will be a bit different.
27:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Both weather forecast can change and often do in the Midwest.
27:37
[SPEAKER_04]: The current one for Sunday's game calls for a high of 17 degrees, reaching three degrees at night.
27:42
[SPEAKER_04]: according to weather.com, and it will be an I-game.
27:44
[SPEAKER_04]: The day has a 15% chance to snow and winds are expected as Danny mentioned earlier from the west to a 20 to 30 mile per hour with wind gusts up to 40 miles per hour.
27:56
[SPEAKER_04]: So, Danny, how much does this matter?
27:58
[SPEAKER_04]: The Rams are not changing their schedule, they're staying, they're not coming until Saturday, not planning on really no practicing, or doing anything to tackle it specifically, and the bears on the other hand are practicing without
28:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
28:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think it's a lot of bluster with the Rams not staying in LA.
28:17
[SPEAKER_03]: What we're, I mean, the question really is where would the even practice it?
28:20
[SPEAKER_04]: I would throw a bag of money at Green Bay and just be like, can we just hang out here?
28:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Northwestern, uh, I don't care.
28:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Go go grab a high school field.
28:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Couldn't get a lesson.
28:31
[SPEAKER_04]: I would be here personally.
28:33
[SPEAKER_03]: We will pay Chip Kelly's salary for the year of
28:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I know the Raiders would be happy about that.
28:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I don't I think it's going to matter obviously, but if there's two of the five quarterbacks where I think the gusts of wind don't really matter much as much as it would for other quarterbacks, you're you're looking at those two right now.
28:58
[SPEAKER_03]: And as you said, the index finger doesn't matter for his arm strength and his ability to hold on the football.
29:03
[SPEAKER_03]: He's still going to clock that thing down the field at 30, 40 yards with a velocity and authority.
29:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that it matters much for them in terms of that, but I also think coaches don't think that way a lot of times.
29:19
[SPEAKER_03]: They always deviate to what's possible outcome.
29:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And some matters, so I think it could be, I could think it could matter to play calling situations.
29:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, and I need people on this weather note, like, like you said average media or I'll just be careful with AI everyone, we're apparently people are digging up like these records of Matt Stafford being like one in nine and like, and we, but then a different AI is saying he's like one three games and he's like only a game or two below 500 or something like that, it's like, well, what which one is it?
29:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he awful or is he okay?
29:56
[SPEAKER_04]: I try to find it because I'm curious, I try to find those staff like you said, you get four different answers, look up on four different models.
30:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I do know that historically he's mid probably at best in cold weather, which is good for a guy who's been in an MPP caliber season, but I'm not taking anything for granted without awful of his defenses, like that's the nature of it.
30:22
[SPEAKER_04]: During my physical therapist's backpack on, my bigger thought process when it comes to the weather is gonna be, you're getting your breath essentially.
30:32
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, especially if you're not used to it, it's a cold air drop, cold air, air taste of airways that's really gonna affect them.
30:40
[SPEAKER_04]: If there's a high risk of excise and juice, a bronco constriction, you get reduced maximal ventilation because you have an increased airway resistance reduce lung capacity.
30:49
[SPEAKER_04]: you get altered breathing mechanics, so you have to breathe more shallow, favorite mouth breathing, increase respiratory work, muscle work, all of a sudden you can get things like strains of oblique, sin, all these other accessory breathing muscles.
31:02
[SPEAKER_04]: You'll also have a slower warm-up of culinary system.
31:04
[SPEAKER_04]: So early reps in place feel worse for you.
31:06
[SPEAKER_04]: First few spritzer drives off of your labor so you can get slow starts.
31:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Which might help the barriers, and there's slow starts.
31:12
[SPEAKER_04]: So now like, and I said the acclamation already like you're not going to acclimate to the weather in two days that's that's not that's just not how science works the body but 48 or 72 extra hours, even in the game really play off that's I think those are the 10% difference in a game not the 70% difference in a game.
31:41
[SPEAKER_03]: This game, especially with the idea that you can maybe mentally impose your will on them, because you're used to the cold, they're not kind of thing.
31:50
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the, it's like the Takedo Spike story about Brian Dawkins, right?
31:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna take his soul.
31:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I wanna see how bad they wanna play football.
32:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's what I envision like what they're gonna be thinking inside the walls of Hall is Hall.
32:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we are going to beat them down.
32:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
32:11
[SPEAKER_03]: And just physically just make them not want to play anymore.
32:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that's a, that's my experience.
32:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And just to that point really quickly, um, you know, K Adams had Devontae Adams on the show with her and was like, what was your first thought when you knew you were playing the bears?
32:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, the first thing I did was look up the weather.
32:35
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's on his mind, right?
32:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on their minds.
32:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, yeah, well, you know, it's fine.
32:40
[SPEAKER_00]: If that's one of my best games in the cold, I'm not worried about it, but it's just something to be thoughtful of.
32:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of sounds like you're thinking about it.
32:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of sounds like it might be in your head a little bit and he's like, well, especially for a guy who's been dealing with the hamstring.
32:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to get warmed up when when you're in that I feel it all the time because I had a Bockey left hamstring in any time.
33:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It's you know, I'm walking around and it's below 40 degrees outside.
33:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel it.
33:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait for the reports of the the opposing teams heaters on the bench is not working again.
33:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.
33:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
33:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the various just, you know, sabotaging all the with the way teams.
33:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Alright, this was for you.
33:21
[SPEAKER_04]: The Ram's defense was designed to let them play top-down zone coverage and drive on routes with front of them six weeks ago.
33:27
[SPEAKER_04]: The run defense was putting them into clear passing situations and the pass rush was forcing quarterback to get rid of the ball instantly.
33:33
[SPEAKER_04]: This that led to a dozen or so chances per game for the Ram's small but a corrosive cornerbacks you talked about in manual Forbes earlier to jump routes and get their hands on the ball.
33:41
[SPEAKER_04]: What we see in for the Ram's defense is a late that is that it has run out of road without a approach since December Ram's defense is given up 27.8 points for game 28.3 points for game on the road that includes three 30 plus point games out of the six that they played.
33:56
[SPEAKER_04]: The Ram's defense is a whole still can get out to these spots but opposing offices have got better at forcing L.A. secondary out of this.
34:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Ransport Vexo match up while in man coverage don't run down the field well and don't reliably win at the point at the catch point against bigger receivers.
34:11
[SPEAKER_04]: You saw that last week right when they had make a millen in poker, they combined for 19 targets and 13 receptions, 21 and 15 yards and touched out in that game against the smaller receivers like they're all about six foot, a manual forb is 180 pounds.
34:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, the bear's wires here is aren't of the same milk as the Panthers.
34:28
[SPEAKER_04]: White receivers from Roman Jade are the biggest at 6-3.
34:31
[SPEAKER_04]: We already talked about how Rome is not really Rome right now.
34:35
[SPEAKER_04]: So my question for you, Kyrie, is how does Ben Johnson use his pest cutters against this secondary?
34:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you...
34:43
[SPEAKER_00]: do what you've been doing and actually there's something that Ed Reed mentioned in his breakdown of the bare defense and you kind of use the ram's offensive medicine against the ram's defense.
34:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Go in motion a lot.
34:59
[SPEAKER_00]: get people thinking about their assignments, make them wrong, get them thinking too much about where people are going.
35:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say, yeah, make them chase these guys kind of across the field.
35:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing I will say too, make them tackle, because what you might not have in big targets and big guys at the catch point, you have a couple of guys in DJ Moore and Luther Burton in particular that are very strong after the catch.
35:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, you might be able to drive downhill and try to affect a throw, but if they're catching a slant or they're catching it on a screen, whether they're getting the ball in space, can you tackle?
35:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I would be wanting to try and see, like, okay, you know, 180-pound manual Forbes, how badly do you want to tackle 200-pound DJ more?
35:51
[SPEAKER_00]: 200-pound
35:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Luther Burger, you know, two guys that are really strong and play like running backs.
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would I would try to make them be physical and beat them on that score.
36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And then once you've done that once you kind of sucked them into that and they think, oh, man, I got to drive downhill.
36:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to tackle these guys.
36:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you beat them over the top.
36:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I would also think that, I mean, use Colson Lovelins like the massive water-severed threat that he is.
36:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Cause I mean, how do you want to defend that?
36:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to put on your linebackers there or are you going to try to put up the extra safety on them or your nickel on them?
36:26
[SPEAKER_04]: And regardless of what you do, we've seen this over the last couple of weeks.
36:31
[SPEAKER_04]: He is a mismatched nightmare.
36:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'm going back in.
36:35
[SPEAKER_04]: It's hard.
36:35
[SPEAKER_04]: And even though Rome right now,
36:38
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm also torn on that because Rome clearly doesn't have the burst and the twist that he needs right now, but he's still a well-built dude, and so I'd say that he can still win against these smaller corners, but Danny, I mean, that was even I talked about this, that was a struggle early in the season.
36:54
[SPEAKER_04]: We thought some of those 50-50 balls he should have come down with and he just wasn't.
36:57
[SPEAKER_03]: There, that's been his struggle since getting into the league for a guy built his
37:03
[SPEAKER_03]: 50-50 balls aren't really 50-50.
37:04
[SPEAKER_03]: They're only 70-30 in favor of the defense to get knocked down or pick off.
37:08
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't win contested catches.
37:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Just not something that's good.
37:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he looks, I mean, for a black matter, I mean, it looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.
37:17
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't play super big.
37:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and that's okay.
37:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's plenty of guys who've been big and don't play to their size.
37:27
[SPEAKER_04]: but do you think that's more accolading to the NFL and I asked that because going back to his time at Washington, I did think he played to his size?
37:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I think so too, but I also wonder how much of that was his Michael Panics being accurate, but having terrible ball placement and him being forced into a role he doesn't like.
37:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Like versus.
37:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the truth be told, that's what it really was looking
37:57
[SPEAKER_03]: and keep panics through a lot of just go get this football because I'm going to put it to you, but it's not going to be in the best spot.
38:04
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to, you know, I just be there.
38:07
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be somewhere in the general vicinity.
38:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a lot easier in college too, right?
38:15
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, when you're facing a faster stronger, just, okay, I'm a man and you're not.
38:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And the NFL everyone's a man.
38:27
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to stay here with you, Danny, still thinking about what's going out with that Ram's defense.
38:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm very curious, we're going to go with this if you're going to pick the person I think you are, which Ram's defensive player not named Jared verse is the most likely to disrupt Chicago's rhythm.
38:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Colby.
38:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
38:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't ask me that question, I'm going to say the same thing.
38:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
38:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, because I was going to ask you the same thing, the same question, so at least we're
38:58
[SPEAKER_04]: that old Kyrie, what's the most dangerous way the Rams can attack the Bayer Sea fans?
39:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Run the ball right down the damn throats.
39:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
39:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's really, it's really simple as that, just because I think we talked about it last time, we were on the EPA plus for rushing.
39:21
[SPEAKER_00]: The Chicago Bayers had two players on their dehydration
39:28
[SPEAKER_00]: 12th I want to say there was only other one other team that had two guys on that list and it was the Los Angeles Rams with with a Kyler
39:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good, good gracious.
39:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Kyron Williams, not Kyler.
39:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Kyler Lake, Kyler Lake.
39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm Blake Horm.
39:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were six and eight respectively.
39:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, come by and I mean, you know, not to get too much of the counting stats, but you know, they have a slight edge, you know, among the two guys in, you know, rushing yards, you know, with the, with the two tandem guys.
39:58
[SPEAKER_00]: But look, I mean, Sean McVay, this is what he does.
40:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
40:01
[SPEAKER_00]: We talk about the passing and this new age offense or whatever, what it is, you runs the ball.
40:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
40:07
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it all starts with.
40:09
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the shandahan system has always started with.
40:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Run the football and then you marry these plays together so that runs look like passes and passes look like runs.
40:21
[SPEAKER_00]: No, whatever.
40:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen him spam the same running play.
40:25
[SPEAKER_00]: like five, six times in a row, and all for that one time that he's going to catch you slipping and throw the ball over the top, right?
40:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we could talk about how well the bear's corners match up with the ram for severs.
40:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, the one good thing about facing the ram versus facing the packers is that
40:48
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Devontate Adams and Puka Nakua are not burners.
40:51
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to run away from you, right?
40:52
[SPEAKER_00]: They're they're going to they're going to they're going to route you up.
40:54
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to catch the ball with timing.
40:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, particularly Puka Nakua is going to try to run through you.
41:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
41:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like Christian Watson or it's not like Jaden Reed.
41:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like Romeo Dobbs guys that can just straight beat you with speed all over the field.
41:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, these guys, it's going to be more of a, we are going to get in your face and we're going to block.
41:15
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be physical.
41:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when it's time to run routes.
41:17
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to run routes.
41:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're going to use the same kind of condensed formations that the bears are going to try to use in a lot of ways.
41:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I referenced this breakdown that every did because I thought it was really smart.
41:29
[SPEAKER_00]: The same formula that the bears, you know, you said like, this is how you beat the bears offensively, right?
41:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Get their hands on their receivers, know your assignments, know where you're supposed to be, know your rules, is the same thing that you got to do against the Rams passing game.
41:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Get your hands on their receivers, disrupt them at the line of scrimmage, and look, man, those dudes up front need to play the best damn game of their lives.
41:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, we have seen, especially in the first half of some of these games,
41:58
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Christian McAfrey goes off for 100 yards plus, Josh Jacobs has five yards of carry in the first half.
42:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You had to start faster as a defense.
42:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And you've got to sell out, I think, to show these guys they cannot run the ball on you and you better do it through the air in these 30 mile an hour wind gusts.
42:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if they can run the ball in the bears, this is going to be a problem.
42:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the Rams ranked first in rushing success rate in the second half of the season.
42:26
[SPEAKER_04]: The Rams lean into using 13 personnel, so one back three tight ends.
42:30
[SPEAKER_04]: One receiver, this is pretty significant because the pairs are at three seconds and explosive rush rate 118 percent against multiple ten sets.
42:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Rams are mainly his own team, which the bearish also struggle with.
42:41
[SPEAKER_04]: They're 27th in the defense of success rate.
42:43
[SPEAKER_04]: It gets his whole runs according to fantasy points.
42:46
[SPEAKER_04]: The bear's run defense has been one of the worst in the league for most of the season.
42:49
[SPEAKER_04]: And this was something that I felt really good about when I was thinking about this, the fact that Bobby Peters, who I have a video that he tweeted out back in December,
42:58
[SPEAKER_04]: of 20, December 2025, when he says something and I think something similarly I feel very smart because he is a very smart person, go by the way you should go ahead and both check out his Twitter at the underscore Peter 12 and buy all of his offensive books they're making a little much smarter football person.
43:17
[SPEAKER_04]: But again, you know, so for the bears in the second half of their comeback when he gets the packers, they allow six yards on seven carriers and drew a holding penalty, the bears didn't suddenly become stouted up front, they created negative plays and rumblets is that free belief all putting safe to each upon brisker or their nick or nick upon a board number on scrimmage.
43:32
[SPEAKER_04]: and Bobby has that same concern.
43:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Bears are able to slow down, green base, run game with nickel and safety pressures, great adjustments from the Bears send Sunday.
43:40
[SPEAKER_04]: It forced the packers to our PO and throw slot phase in the fourth quarter, but the Rams are much more equipped to handle that with those 13 person on the edges that they have.
43:48
[SPEAKER_04]: So if you're watching live, you know, I have a that tweet that he had pulled up.
43:51
[SPEAKER_04]: and you can just see, like I already said, this plays one with that 13% out, they can just spam this over and over again.
43:57
[SPEAKER_04]: It widens the defense out.
43:59
[SPEAKER_04]: It puts that nickel that safety you're bringing down the box in a precarious position.
44:03
[SPEAKER_04]: It puts the edge in a precarious position.
44:05
[SPEAKER_04]: And at the end of the day, you need to control those edges.
44:09
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, obviously, this one's more up the middle, but we saw that even against the package early on, but bear struggle to maintain the edge in the factory.
44:15
[SPEAKER_04]: I would get outside.
44:16
[SPEAKER_04]: So that that run everyone talks about Puka and Devante and Matt Stappard doing, but that run game is really the lightblood of this offense.
44:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Speaking of Matt Stafford, Stafford may not be the favorite for MVP, but he is up there.
44:33
[SPEAKER_04]: He said career records were passing, post he's in passing yards and touchdowns in his fifth year in Los Angeles, the quarterback passed, Kurt Warner in both categories, during the first quarter of the win over the Panthers.
44:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Danny, where does Stafford rank for you amongst Cubes this year and what do you expect his impact to be on solid?
44:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say he's probably like, so there's a myriad of ways I think about this.
44:57
[SPEAKER_03]: But I would say he's third or fourth in the league in terms of how good he's been year over year like he gave his MVP away the last from Christmas on he just apparently didn't really did not want it not everybody believe that apparently
45:12
[SPEAKER_03]: He's still going to be top three or four in the finish of MVP.
45:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think he gave it away because Drake may continue to be Drake.
45:19
[SPEAKER_03]: May.
45:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think Drake would believe a great not to make Drake make?
45:23
[SPEAKER_04]: So you're flow, but it's not supposed to be, but would I mean, do you think I mean, Drake may kind of laid an egg a bit in that chargers game versus Stafford?
45:32
[SPEAKER_04]: What the offense was not the issue in that Panthers game.
45:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think that might shift that MVP talk?
45:38
[SPEAKER_03]: No, because it's the regular season in the world, I'm pretty sure the ball's already cast.
45:42
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that don't think it passed like week after.
45:48
[SPEAKER_04]: I literally don't know.
45:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought those guys even so it's it's a regular season of war.
45:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because that's stopped people from voting appropriately.
45:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
45:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, the Pro.
45:57
[SPEAKER_03]: But they answer your question.
45:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, though, honestly, I think just having watched enough of it because I love the quarterback and in charge of land.
46:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a real argument that the most valuable quarterback in the league right now is just an Herbert because that's a dumpster fire in Los Angeles.
46:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's just doing stuff doing everything he can.
46:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, he was bad.
46:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was objectively bad in this game.
46:21
[SPEAKER_00]: He played against patriots at the same time.
46:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at it and I'm saying, this brother got no blocking.
46:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So at some point of his tackle, at some point,
46:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to make the perfect play every single time like, yeah, he missed receivers down the field.
46:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he he dropped his head against the rush because he's literally just like, okay, I have one second before they are about to bust my ass.
46:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he open?
46:49
[SPEAKER_03]: No, okay.
46:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Gotta go.
46:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Bye.
46:53
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'd say three or four if you want to quibble with it.
46:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't think he's much lower if at all.
47:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Matt Stafford's been off, he's had the best year of his career this season, and I don't think it's particularly close.
47:07
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a very mature, elevated version of Matt Stafford.
47:11
[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't the shotgun sling it around Detroit, Matt Stafford's not even early to middle of Los Angeles Stafford.
47:17
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a totally different animal.
47:19
[SPEAKER_03]: He's never going to replicate this.
47:21
[SPEAKER_03]: This is going to be the best season he ever has.
47:25
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's awesome to have seen because I love watching Matt Stafford throw the football.
47:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, I wanted to end in the worst way this coming Sunday night.
47:33
[UNKNOWN]: This is true.
47:35
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, uh, Kyrie.
47:37
[SPEAKER_04]: So...
47:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Out, we last week, we saw Dance Allen come out and play a lot of man, which is the package shredded.
47:44
[SPEAKER_04]: We already talked about switched it up in the second half bringing more pressure, which you're pouring down on the box, nickel pressure as well.
47:51
[SPEAKER_04]: For this matchup, how do you think Dennis Allen starts this?
47:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it gonna be more blitz-happy?
47:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it gonna be trust the coverage and rush lanes?
48:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it gonna be more zone?
48:02
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, how do you think that the game plan would start this week?
48:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Me personally and again, I think this is this kind of based on whether I'm going one high safety and I'm saying you're not running the ball and let's see what you do about that now the problem with that is that okay if you want to play cover one.
48:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I, again, I am not overly worried about like Puka Nicole is going to beat you deep or like he's going to run by you or like whatever does he physical and tough though so that that that's an issue, but then who you put non-divante atoms right so what are the matchups if you want to go cover one who's taking who so do you want to go with.
48:51
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, Jalen Johnson on Devante Adams.
48:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I could be fine with that.
48:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you're going to put in the Sean right on Puka Nakua.
49:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, I don't know.
49:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel about that.
49:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And then vice versa, vice versa.
49:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want that either.
49:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that...
49:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have to see at some point how this is going to work and look Matthew Stafford is eventually he's going to he's going to check to play and be like okay well you you give me one or what I'm taking my shot and you're going to see how that works.
49:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think in again that clip that you showed earlier is a prime example of this.
49:30
[SPEAKER_00]: They are, they, they condense that formation down all the way and the defense wasn't committed to stopping the run.
49:38
[SPEAKER_00]: They just weren't.
49:39
[SPEAKER_00]: They had two high safeties.
49:41
[SPEAKER_00]: They had like seven guys in the box.
49:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not enough.
49:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So at, at some point, you got to say, this is going to be, this, you're only going to win this game one way.
49:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to throw this ball.
49:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're gonna lose on Matthew Stafford when he's throwing the ball through 30 mile an hour wins, then okay, that's my personal opinion.
50:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like you kind of need to declare yourself one way or another and say, I'm gonna stop the run and we're gonna live with the results.
50:14
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I think that's more or less it.
50:21
[SPEAKER_03]: running the ball, whether it's bi-test or metrically, because right now your best linebacker is your $18 million man, who's one of the worst run-filling linebackers in the NFL.
50:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Tramanda Edwards cannot fill.
50:34
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't want, he doesn't want to come down hill in attack.
50:37
[SPEAKER_03]: All of his tackles are when he's running to the sideline and meeting somebody past the line of scrimmage.
50:43
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't want to do it.
50:45
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's fine.
50:46
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a value in what he does.
50:48
[SPEAKER_03]: It ain't stop on the run.
50:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll play that much.
50:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Except for that weird four week stretch for apparently Dennis Allen got into his crawl and he did start attacking and then he got hurt and then he stopped doing it again.
51:00
[SPEAKER_04]: This is what happens when I try, I get hurt.
51:03
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's why I really, I think Jack, you know, Jackson has to play a big role here.
51:08
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's got to be,
51:09
[SPEAKER_03]: That's actually where Noah's soul was valuable playing guard.
51:13
[SPEAKER_04]: That's one thing he did very well.
51:14
[SPEAKER_03]: He Yes, he played guard a guard and he did and go downhill.
51:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Go hit something.
51:20
[SPEAKER_03]: He's the definition of the guy walking down the tunnel at the Rose Bowl screaming at everyone.
51:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody hit somebody.
51:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, thinking about the secondary, you know, we talked about seizure garner Johnson will be back.
51:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Tyler Gordon is backish, um, even, and I will say even for seizure garner Johnson, you do have to keep mind after concussion, even if you clear, there's some stuff fair to keep that in the back of your minds.
51:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, Danny, how do you expect the bears secondary snaps to pan out?
51:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I just don't even know because Nishon writes sucks again.
51:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And Jalen Johnson clearly is not right, and still he looks he looks like he's running in mud basin.
52:03
[SPEAKER_03]: He's so whoa.
52:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you rotate Ty Reak in there and see if you can get feeling good.
52:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Because like you said he's very much a, he's kind of a roller coaster when he's doing a little bit against the Packers, they throw a Tata Ty Reak in he, I mean, he had a couple good plays, he had at least one bad player member, but also Jalen played a bit better.
52:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I have your Ty Reak when it almost wonder with how.
52:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Put destiny and Lee athletic.
52:29
[SPEAKER_03]: The outside receivers are if you'd be best off putting Jalen outside and Kyler outside playing CJ in the nickel and then you're thinking about this and then you're taking and then playing your two safeties as as as as brisker and and biored.
52:46
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not I was it's it's it's not great.
52:49
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not sexy, but it's it's an option.
52:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about this earlier because I don't want Nick and I'll do a reflection in the cloud.
52:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want anything to do with them on the field.
53:00
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of happens.
53:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, first of all, he's he's not going to be on the field, but no, I thought about this because I'm thinking of myself.
53:07
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in or if you're in a red zone situation, where do you watch your corners at?
53:12
[SPEAKER_00]: If you got two receivers out there and Kyler has the necessary size and length.
53:20
[SPEAKER_00]: to play outside with a kind of bigger, like with a Devontae Adam's kind of wide receiver.
53:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I necessarily love it?
53:29
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but.
53:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I would rather have that.
53:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's, then, you know, Tyre Stevenson, he's also got the body control.
53:39
[SPEAKER_03]: So, for whatever he's losing in athleticism, because he isn't elite athlete, he's got a great movement skills.
53:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
53:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And that probably goes back to his very well, talked about days as a dancer growing up, where he just, he understands how his body moves in flows.
53:52
[SPEAKER_03]: He understands his body.
53:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
53:55
[SPEAKER_03]: And I do think with how specifically Devontay Adams plays at this point in his career, probably like a four, six, four, seven guy, like he's winning off technicality.
54:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that you're worried about him running by Kyler.
54:09
[SPEAKER_03]: You're worried about him shaking him.
54:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:11
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to shake Kyler.
54:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Kyler is the one that was other guys.
54:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I would much rather have the bigger, more physical, like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the show live talking myself into Tyre Stemins and maybe being your best option outside just because I'll beat up Jalen Johnson is.
54:29
[SPEAKER_03]: That, that is not a fun feeling, guys.
54:34
[SPEAKER_04]: The one thing I guess I would say about Jalen is,
54:36
[SPEAKER_04]: especially if he does get matched up with the ponta.
54:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Devonta is this is will be a second week come on off of that hamstring strange.
54:42
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's not necessarily 100% either.
54:44
[SPEAKER_04]: So you have two guys who
54:47
[SPEAKER_04]: are not, you know, at 100% battle of the brittle.
54:50
[SPEAKER_04]: And Devontase, he's not a burner either, right?
54:54
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not going to Christian Watson, you're not worried about how the world meal jobs are able to do like the pep with the packers last week.
54:59
[SPEAKER_04]: So actually could Jalen be a decent option in that role against Devontase who plays more with, you know, the timing and the route running aspect and the
55:09
[SPEAKER_04]: playing big when needed and especially in the red zone because that's his main role for them really is I mean is those are those red zone touch totally.
55:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Is your argument against putting him on?
55:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Puka just the fact that Puka's gonna try to run through his face?
55:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just think that Puka is just going to mix him slash as run through his soul.
55:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:29
[SPEAKER_04]: Plus, and then the other thing, too, is Pughal just a lot of his routes are over the middle.
55:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's the, oh my god, please don't routes.
55:36
[SPEAKER_04]: That most people don't want to run because Pughal doesn't care about his life.
55:38
[SPEAKER_04]: And I just don't know that Jalen will follow him into that luck like he should if you're playing.
55:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Thankfully, for Pughal, CTE isn't real according to him.
55:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's what they got.
55:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, CJ or, you know, look, Tyreek might not necessarily have the body for it, but I also think that he's he's crazy enough.
56:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Tyreek does.
56:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Tyreek has a level of don't give an F to him.
56:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, as we well seen from him, I just don't know, like,
56:11
[SPEAKER_03]: he really feels like jekyll and hide right now like which one's gonna show up because the second something good happens he might be your best corner that night or the second he has a guy break through his tackle and go for an extra six yards he's spiraling like you don't yeah that's not a good place to be at
56:30
[SPEAKER_04]: No, but the good news is if that happens, you just have another either broken or something quarterback to throw in there.
56:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you options.
56:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what?
56:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I like I like the I like the troll on troll matchup of you know CJ Gardner Johnson versus Puka, you know in certain situations troll on troll dumbass on dumbass
56:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there is a the thing that you always have to keep in mind with CJ for is not to help the CJ to find NFL football player.
56:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually hope they bring him back next year.
57:01
[SPEAKER_03]: He does have that ability to kind of muddy up the waters and make you play a game.
57:06
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to play.
57:07
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like something he legitimately does.
57:10
[SPEAKER_03]: He makes you mad.
57:11
[SPEAKER_03]: He pisses you off.
57:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially if he starts home in a little bit where he gets a couple of past breakups.
57:16
[SPEAKER_03]: He lays a hit on
57:21
[SPEAKER_03]: and he's just yapping and yapping it because he doesn't know how to shut up.
57:24
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it gets especially funny when on the rare times his defense gets rolling when him and brisker get to get to get to feeding off each other.
57:31
[SPEAKER_03]: It's actually quite comical.
57:33
[SPEAKER_03]: This match rose.
57:34
[SPEAKER_04]: It's fantastic.
57:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
57:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, moving on.
57:37
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, Kyrie, you're a favorite topic.
57:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Rams had the worst special teams' metrics in the NFL over the past four weeks.
57:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Last week, the various social teams actually played quite well while the Rams had a pump locked.
57:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Meanwhile, the various have had some special team sparks.
57:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Especially with how bad it was to start with.
57:56
[SPEAKER_04]: The fact that Kyro has been kicking us consistently, he has, like we talked about, dovernais, had some good return and things of that nature.
58:04
[SPEAKER_04]: What impact do you expect special teams to have in this game?
58:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about the kicking game in particular, because I think what was like a meavus is like, he was first year, he was a late signing to this kicker.
58:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, he was not, oh, wait.
58:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I got the wrong one or not, too?
58:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right, because Dicker went down, he got hurt or whatever.
58:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember.
58:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Dickers on the charges, but I can't remember.
58:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's on the charges.
58:36
[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
58:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Something happens to whoever the ram's kicker.
58:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whoever the ram's kicker was.
58:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, me, this is their kicker.
58:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're now going into this environment where the wind is swirling in its weird, and we've seen kicker struggle.
58:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And you've seen Cairo Santos after a couple of moments where you're like, come on, man.
58:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think we got a, I think this guy's time in Chicago was done and then he comes up nails in key situations down the stretch.
59:03
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows what this is all about.
59:05
[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen him play the wind perfectly, whether he's drawing it, whether he's letting the, you know, either they're slicing it, you know, starting it off left with the wind take it, right?
59:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this could be a scenario in which you see a lot of forward down territory for these teams because you wonder just how much you're going to be able to trust the special teams in terms of the kicking game.
59:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be the big one here.
59:28
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw how big of a deal that was last week.
59:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Huge.
59:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:32
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, make that.
59:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just bad.
59:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, there's also that.
59:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of took Kyrie's point about specifically Santos really the last probably month five weeks of the season he really came on like the way I described it to my dad on the phone was he feels like a junk ball starter and baseball who found like his grip on the ball for a month
59:52
[SPEAKER_03]: and all of his stuff is just falling and spinning and doing exactly what he wants it to do, because Cairo does not have the leg strength of many kickers in the NFL.
1:00:03
[SPEAKER_03]: But like Cairo said, he understands the spin, the rotation, he gets it.
1:00:09
[SPEAKER_03]: like in credit to him for understanding his physical limitations were doing that but we saw some of those what was it sweeping right to left where he kicked it like almost out of the field goal posts and saw the wind physically push it back all the way to the left post like Jesus that's such a
1:00:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's such a thing you have to like calibrate your brain to because you watch these games across the NFL and you have the guy in Jacksonville who's just cutting through everything he kicks and in little.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's something just totally random but he's been he's been a legitimately accurate kicker, hell or high, come high or high water with the conditions of late.
1:00:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's a really good point.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_04]: We have three more categories, these were shorter ones.
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go to YouTube before this.
1:00:55
[SPEAKER_04]: I just need an answer, and a set answer, too.
1:00:58
[SPEAKER_04]: So we'll go right back to Danny.
1:01:00
[SPEAKER_04]: Who is the non-star player, and you can go Ram's or a bear's on this, most likely to quietly decide this game?
1:01:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go with someone we've already talked about.
1:01:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I think CJ Gardner Johnson is going to have a huge role.
1:01:16
[SPEAKER_03]: and there's something above forcing a fumble he's I believe still third on the team in sacks throughout the quarter the throughout the season.
1:01:22
[SPEAKER_03]: He matters he's a little spark plug star to whatever you want to call him he's a Swiss army and I for data sale on when the secondary is healthy which for all intents and purpose they're healthy.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Ish
1:01:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're going to be running out effectively their full deck of cards in the secondary.
1:01:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's probably the non-star I would label as the guy who's most important in my opinion, just because of the way he's deployed and the way he kind of caused havoc.
1:01:48
[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, they're deck cards is full, but it's like, do you ever like, you're playing like, you're home camping and you find the cards that was like tucked away and you're camping here and you know that like, there's that one ace that like has a weird edge on it so you know which one's that card and then another one's like peeling in half kind of, that's like their full deck.
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_04]: It's there, but it's like, there's 52 cards just the third beat up.
1:02:09
[SPEAKER_04]: You can still use the deck kind of way.
1:02:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
1:02:12
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, what does your answer?
1:02:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Non-star player most likely to quite least aside this game.
1:02:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I was between two guys.
1:02:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to pick Kalmanungai.
1:02:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that any scenario, how dare you dismerch by King.
1:02:27
[SPEAKER_00]: not a $4.00.
1:02:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a $4.00, right?
1:02:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously very good.
1:02:32
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think his ability to run in short yard of situations and this is not to disparage the Andre Swift who I'm just going to say has been really good for this team, especially of late.
1:02:44
[SPEAKER_00]: He has, he has, you know, no, no hating, no disparaging, the Andre Swift legitimately been good.
1:02:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that in short-yarded situations, you got to have a third and four and you want to run the ball, I want to run up with Kalmanunga.
1:02:58
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw what he did against the Packers in, especially in that first matchup at Soldier Field where they won.
1:03:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just an angry dude who runs hard.
1:03:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think having an angry dude who runs hard in, you know, whether that feels like it's negative three or whatever it is.
1:03:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Guy was just going to try to run through your face.
1:03:19
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be a big deal.
1:03:21
[SPEAKER_03]: and the interest of keeping things equal, I get where a bear show is too to act.
1:03:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's healthy, correct?
1:03:28
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't get to bring your two-two at well, both hands in this show.
1:03:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Try to sh- every time, every auto-punch, you have to look real good at a bear's uniform.
1:03:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Just saying he just had to have his guy.
1:03:41
[SPEAKER_02]: This is my thing that I do.
1:03:44
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the next guy until he's gone and then he's not the guy anymore.
1:03:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
1:03:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, you can get a two to out.
1:03:53
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll mention just a little bit more.
1:03:54
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to do it right.
1:03:55
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to Chicago this all season.
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch.
1:03:58
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, mine, I was going to throw mine out Kevin Thompson at guard.
1:04:01
[SPEAKER_04]: I just, he just has such a big impact on that run game.
1:04:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Like you don't notice him when you're washing the game, but you notice him when you're going to go back and wash, be there.
1:04:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Why the Rams won or why they didn't win?
1:04:12
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, all right, last two questions of this.
1:04:15
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes him caught my bit.
1:04:16
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was actually going to try to run with that.
1:04:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Never.
1:04:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I know you too.
1:04:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, there's no way.
1:04:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, what has to go right, Kyrie, for the bears to win, you know, just like one, a little,
1:04:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, holding the Rams run game to three yards carry.
1:04:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I would say that's that's number one.
1:04:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take a cool, quick number two.
1:04:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my goodness.
1:04:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Pause.
1:04:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but as a as a second one.
1:04:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Force the first force to turn over.
1:04:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's, look, in the end, they did, they won without forcing a turnover last week.
1:04:58
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that Matthew Stafford for as good as he's been, I think in this environment, he's probably going to give you.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_00]: When he gave the Panthers one last week, you do.
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Danny, what has to go right for the bear still in?
1:05:14
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got to figure out where to get stops.
1:05:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and I know a good way to, and if you're not going to do that, you got to basically keep the offense of LA off the field.
1:05:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Effectively, I'm saying, the game plan you did for the first half, or the first half of the first quarter against Green Bay where they just kept the ball.
1:05:36
[SPEAKER_03]: They can't score if they don't have the ball.
1:05:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's much easier said than done.
1:05:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I think.
1:05:41
[SPEAKER_03]: the world of crucial defensive coordinator, and he does a lot of interesting things, and he's a really talented playcaller, and I think he's probably earned himself a job here this offseason or next year, as I head coach.
1:05:52
[SPEAKER_03]: But I, that's one of two things that got to happen, the defense has got to step up and make up, stop here, that I'm not talking about, like, God, they just really need an interception, because that's a pet peeve of mine, that's just not a way to go through life.
1:06:08
[SPEAKER_03]: You need to get a stop.
1:06:11
[SPEAKER_03]: or you have to hold onto the football, which I hate the game plan, game ball control and defense, you know, game plan, but it's with an offense that can score the way they can score.
1:06:24
[SPEAKER_03]: The bears can score with anyone as well.
1:06:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I just trust the Rams defense to get stops more than I trust the bears.
1:06:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll keep mine simple in that because I don't think the team is not necessarily going to change who they are.
1:06:37
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think all of a sudden the bear is going to start scoring early consistently.
1:06:41
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think all of a sudden the bear's defense is going to be stopping people consistently.
1:06:47
[SPEAKER_04]: But what they've shown that they can do a lot of times is not give up touchdowns in the red zone.
1:06:53
[SPEAKER_04]: right like that that Ben but don't break thought process if you can force the Rams to kick field goals or even go for it on fourth and with Sean McBay for the first time in his career is actually going for it more consistently on fourth down.
1:07:05
[SPEAKER_04]: So if you can have that occur and instead of it being you know 14 to seven you're now talking that being it's six to seven after you know a couple of drives.
1:07:15
[SPEAKER_04]: That's how you can I think win this game because the big Rams you're going to get there is between the 20s what happens once you can
1:07:22
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll just go again for what has to go right for the Rams to win, they just have to, I think it's a time possession thing, if they can max my time possession and grind it out on the ground with that run game, establish that because and not have to worry about the weather as we talked about, all those things, that's how they win this game.
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Danny, how do the Rams, what has to go right for the Rams to win?
1:07:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's, I really think the way that it
1:07:51
[SPEAKER_03]: harder for the bears to do and getting a stop that isn't relying on a turn over.
1:07:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I think but I think the blueprint is roughly the same because I think the teams are built somewhat similarly.
1:08:00
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just the Ram's defenses further ahead and more developed with young players.
1:08:04
[SPEAKER_03]: The bears are basically trying to institute a philosophy and a playstyle with older veterans who are on their way out the door.
1:08:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of thing.
1:08:13
[SPEAKER_03]: but I actually largely agree with what you said, control the game, don't let this get out of hand, kind of thing, if you could just possess the ball and really just keep converting because this defense has shown a lack of ability to get off the field.
1:08:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Here, you have a pretty good shot, I feel like.
1:08:33
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, what it has to go right from the Rams to the win.
1:08:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, cheating here, but I think they control the time of possession, they move the bears off the line of skirmish.
1:08:49
[SPEAKER_00]: They run the ball and they stop the run.
1:08:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be an old school game.
1:08:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that when it comes down to it, these are two coaches that for as much of the passing game as they employ.
1:08:59
[SPEAKER_00]: They are going to want to control the line of skirmish and the one that does it best is going to win this game.
1:09:06
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, that brings us to the final category.
1:09:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Pretty straightforward, bare gut check.
1:09:11
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what it is?
1:09:12
[SPEAKER_04]: We're only going to pick this game.
1:09:13
[SPEAKER_04]: We're not going to worry about the others because the others don't matter.
1:09:16
[SPEAKER_04]: It's only about the bears, Rams and this one.
1:09:18
[SPEAKER_04]: Rams are favored by three and a half Danny, who do you got in blind?
1:09:24
[SPEAKER_03]: At this point, with them having beat the Packers,
1:09:29
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know we're all probably going to go the same way, but it feels like I've reached a point as a as a fanalyst as I've always termed as Mason and Gary, it feels like with the weirdness of the NFL, how the packers game went, how they've won so often this year, it feels like Derek rose in the preseason press conference of his MVP year.
1:09:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Why not?
1:09:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Why not?
1:09:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Why can't why can't they?
1:09:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're I don't think they're a better football team than the Rams at this point.
1:09:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but why not?
1:10:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
1:10:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think I can't to truth be told with the heater Ben's been on as a play color.
1:10:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't give a shit.
1:10:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Go win.
1:10:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, nope, that's it.
1:10:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, couldn't say it any better.
1:10:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Rams are a better team on paper than the bears.
1:10:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
1:10:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm taking the bears to win.
1:10:22
[SPEAKER_00]: because I, and again, you're playing it with house money at this point.
1:10:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is why I said, I know people had, you know, some people felt a certain kind of way of me saying, this is why you should want the packers.
1:10:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you beat them, then you could just do anything.
1:10:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like this week has validated that in a lot of people's minds.
1:10:47
[SPEAKER_00]: They beat the packers.
1:10:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, we really can't say they can't beat anybody else from here on.
1:10:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter if they didn't have Michael Parsons.
1:10:55
[SPEAKER_00]: They exercise the demons.
1:10:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like, what do you mean they can't beat the Rams?
1:11:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
1:11:02
[SPEAKER_00]: People who we were talking about, oh yeah, if the Rams are gonna win handily.
1:11:05
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears are not a team that you win handily against.
1:11:10
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not.
1:11:11
[SPEAKER_04]: So, it's gonna be the first lines game, right?
1:11:15
[SPEAKER_04]: They haven't, they've been in every other game.
1:11:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're going to come down to the wire and when it comes down to the wire, I don't care what the weather is, how many quarterbacks right now are you taking over Caleb Williams, if you need if you need to score at the end of a game and you got two minutes or less.
1:11:39
[SPEAKER_00]: to win a game, how many quarterbacks you've taken over Caleb Williams right now?
1:11:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And I did not think I'd be saying that.
1:11:45
[SPEAKER_03]: At one at this moment in time, there's only one.
1:11:48
[SPEAKER_03]: He's playing him by a team up with one.
1:11:51
[SPEAKER_00]: He's playing him by a team up with one.
1:11:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's fair, because he did it done.
1:11:55
[SPEAKER_04]: The only thing I will, and we'll see what happens.
1:12:00
[SPEAKER_04]: at kickoff and then really but more so by extension at after half time.
1:12:04
[SPEAKER_04]: The only concern I really have with this game.
1:12:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, then some general x is a nose is
1:12:11
[SPEAKER_04]: was the packer game you're suitable like I was was there so much emotional investment last week that you come out flat.
1:12:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Now I think it's super helpful that you're playing at home.
1:12:23
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's going to be raucous at soldier field, but at the same time we've also seen that soldier field can fall a little flat if you give them a reason to fall flat, which the bears have done every decade as of late.
1:12:34
[SPEAKER_04]: But I don't think that will happen.
1:12:37
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just a little something in the back of my head that I will say I'm concerned about a bit.
1:12:40
[SPEAKER_04]: But I am with you guys.
1:12:42
[SPEAKER_04]: It's how do I not, at this point, pick the bears.
1:12:45
[SPEAKER_04]: It's Danny said it's the why not.
1:12:47
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the fact that Ben Johnson is on a heater.
1:12:49
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the fact that Caleb is going to will you into games at the end if you're not already in them.
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_04]: And also imagine what if they do start off up 14-3, right?
1:13:02
[SPEAKER_04]: You're telling me that you don't feel pretty good about the maintaining lead after we've seen what they can do in the fourth quarter and later.
1:13:09
[SPEAKER_03]: It'd be fantastic to that point, Mason.
1:13:11
[SPEAKER_03]: If you do somehow start fast, which they've not done all year or so in a tendency to do all year outside of a game or two, I can think of maybe.
1:13:19
[SPEAKER_03]: This defense is built to play a certain way.
1:13:21
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very, very built on taking chances.
1:13:25
[SPEAKER_03]: if you get out to a 14 to three or 17 to seven liters or something, that all of a sudden let's Dennis Allen get in his bag of tricks and allows these guys to kind of play away.
1:13:38
[SPEAKER_03]: It's reckless, but it's calculated.
1:13:42
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to do that when you're playing from behind where you're basically just saying we just got to get the damn ball back.
1:13:47
[SPEAKER_03]: And credit to Dennis Allen, he's done very well in keeping it really hard from the 20 to the goal line when
1:13:55
[SPEAKER_03]: It's everything between those 20s.
1:13:57
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just miserable.
1:14:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, but it's definitely gonna be something to watch.
1:14:06
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, that is the show.
1:14:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you all so much for joining us.
1:14:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Hopefully, we get to do it another one of these next week.
1:14:14
[SPEAKER_04]: If, even if, you know, the crazy unfortunate happens and the bears don't come out victorious here, first of all, it's still a fantastic year.
1:14:22
[SPEAKER_04]: But we'll do probably like a post-mortem conversation still, so like still join us next week.
1:14:28
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's not gonna happen.
1:14:29
[SPEAKER_04]: The bear is gonna win this game, right?
1:14:30
[SPEAKER_04]: All three of us said so.
1:14:31
[SPEAKER_04]: So it has to, it has to be the case.
1:14:33
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, bear down everybody.