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The Best Off-Road Jacks for Jeeps in 2026 – Never Get Stuck Again (AGM Products) · Jeep Talk Show

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  (upbeat music)
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  A'ight, you boys and girls,
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  it's time for another
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  Jeep Talk Show interview.
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  We're gonna be talking with Brian Little.
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  He is the owner of AGM,
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  where he helps turn
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  common off-road headaches
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  into simple trail-ready solutions.
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  With decades of racing experience
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  across multiple continents,
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  he knows firsthand the right tools
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  that can make the
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  difference between a quick fix
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  and a long day.
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  Go over to AGM-products.com right now.
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  So Brian, I gotta start with this.
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  I'm originally from Baytown, Texas.
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  And I moved out when I was like,
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  moved out of my parents'
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  house when I was like 24 or so,
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  and moved into a house that I shared
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  with a friend of mine.
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  And just down the street was
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  a guy whose name was Little.
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  He was a ham radio operator.
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  That was one of us.
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  And I always remember that name,
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  and it wasn't L-I-T-T-L-E.
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  It was spelled exactly
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  the same way as yours.
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  And I thought that was really cool.
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  And it helped that he had,
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  a couple of years
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  younger than us, I believe,
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  a really pretty daughter.
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  So, I either
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  remembered him, remembered him,
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  because of the ham radio.
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  Yeah, it's funny how I
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  can remember the girls
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  and the girls' names a
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  lot better than the men.
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  Little was not the best
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  name for me, having him.
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  Oh, no.
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  It's better than Skippy or Zippy.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  But yeah, we've already
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  gone down this rabbit hole,
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  so I'll mention that's the first place
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  I ever saw slow scan TV,
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  because Bob, this was named Bob Little,
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  he actually pulled up on his radio
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  and you could see the images.
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  It's like what we do here now with,
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  like Instagram before they
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  started going motion pictures,
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  they were stills.
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  So you could see that over the ham radio.
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  And it was noisy and
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  horrible, but it was all analog.
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  I didn't mean to be good.
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  Yeah, slow scan TV.
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  All right, anyway, so let's
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  start with the tough question.
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  They could get
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  tougher, and I'll warn you,
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  sometimes I have Jeep Talk
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  Show million dollar ideas,
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  so brace yourself.
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  I'm glad, and that's
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  actually one of the reasons
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  why I'm on here, is I'm
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  hoping to get some of those ideas
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  from you.
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  I don't plan them, so we'll have to see
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  how the conversation goes.
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  Actually, I have one,
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  but it's really not a joke.
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  Anyway, so the thing that gets me is,
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  I went over to your site,
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  had a look, a nice site,
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  looks like really nice products.
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  The thing that struck
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  me was a scissor jack.
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  You sell scissor jacks.
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  I have a scissor jack.
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  It's in my Gladiator.
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  It's under the back seat.
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  Why the
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  (beep)
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  I want to buy another scissor jack?
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  Why are you selling scissor jacks?
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  Yeah, it's a fair question.
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  And all of the product, we
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  don't just make a product,
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  we try to solve a problem.
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  And the problem here
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  was heavy duty vehicles,
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  your tow rigs, your trailers, overland,
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  and even into Jeeps.
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  We found the stuff that was out there
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  kind of just meets minimum requirements.
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  It's not really
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  something you want to be using
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  a bunch on the trail
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  because they are flimsy,
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  they fall over,
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  they're not really strong.
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  So what we did is approach
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  this from the problem back.
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  Ours are made more robust.
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  We have bigger drives.
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  The jack you were talking about
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  has a planetary gear reduction.
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  So it actually reduces
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  the input torque required.
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  So you can just use a little drill
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  to raise a super heavy vehicle.
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  And then that price also
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  isn't just the product.
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  And I know we don't
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  have things to compare.
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  We always default to price.
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  But you are also getting,
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  you're getting customer
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  service that's world-class.
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  You're getting a lifetime
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  warranty on the product.
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  You are getting someone that you can call
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  if you're having a problem.
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  So it's easy to fail or fall to price.
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  Especially if you're shopping on Amazon,
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  if that's all you know.
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  But that's not really what we're doing.
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  We're kind of creating solutions.
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  And then on top of that,
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  what you're also getting
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  is not only are we
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  trying to provide a product
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  that solves something,
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  but we're also making a bunch
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  of videos for how to use it.
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  Oh, that's great.
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  Yeah, we equip the
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  person with the product.
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  And then we send them with the knowledge
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  so that when they're out on the trail,
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  they can actually solve a problem
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  instead of spending a bunch of money
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  and then just being stuck anyways.
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  The thing that comes to
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  mind on the scissor jack,
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  and I've been, by the way,
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  I think a scissor jack
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  is very important to have.
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  No matter what other
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  off-road jack that you have,
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  I think that there's
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  situations where the other jacks
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  are not going to be
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  as, they may do the job,
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  but they're not gonna
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  be as quick and easy
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  to get in there on a
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  job that you may not need.
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  What do you, like, what is your audience,
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  or what do you recommend carrying?
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  Is there like-
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  Oh, high lift.
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  High lift.
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  And the red one, because
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  we're red Jeepers here.
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  There's people moaning out there.
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  They're not the Jeepers at all.
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  Yeah, and they're great if
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  you wanna do a body lift.
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  If you're trying to get off rocks
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  or you're trying to
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  move away or something,
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  if you're doing a repair or a tire,
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  I've found it's a lot more stable
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  to be picking up off the axle or
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  underneath the vehicle
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  because you don't have to lift the side.
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  So your center of gravity isn't up,
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  your head is tilted,
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  you're able to get the job done
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  without being kind of
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  that compromising position.
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  Well, you may just need to
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  get the axle up high enough
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  to get something underneath it,
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  or change the tire,
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  or maybe get the bead seated again,
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  and you need to get the
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  pressure off of the tire itself.
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  But the thing that gets me
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  and is that you can't
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  just have the scissor jack
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  that comes with the Jeep.
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  You have to have a,
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  what is it, a four by four
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  or six by six block of wood.
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  There's always something else.
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  When it comes to packaging, right?
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  A lot of times they're like,
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  "Oh,
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  (beep)
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  I forgot a jack.
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  Well, let's make one
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  that fits in that hole."
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  And you end up with this little thing
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  that looks like it
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  should be in a Honda Civic
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  and it's supposed to lift
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  your rig on like 35s or 37s.
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  It's just sort of out.
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  And that's the other thing is,
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  it's not designed for
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  a lifted, it's a Jeep.
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  And they know that as a Jeep owner,
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  you might lift it and
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  put bigger tires on it.
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  I mean, I can't imagine,
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  I think somebody ought
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  to make a funny video,
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  maybe you guys have, of
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  putting a scissor jack,
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  a stock scissor jack
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  under a Jeep that's on 40s.
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  I mean, come on.
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  I think you can put a
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  couple of them under there
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  before you get to where
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  you're touching something.
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  Yeah, that'd be that
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  good picture of a shack
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  with his girlfriend that's about to spin.
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  Yeah, you can go higher.
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  But yeah, and I think
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  that's one of the things
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  that I believe that the
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  scissor jack problem is,
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  is that it's just not long enough.
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  It doesn't extend far enough
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  for the to do the job
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  that you need to do.
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  And also too, even if it is
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  long enough in the driveway,
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  doesn't mean it's gonna
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  be right for off-road.
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  No, no, it doesn't.
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  And that's a big thing that we focus on
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  is everything we do, we test before
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  anyone ever sees it,
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  tons of miles and with
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  lots of different people
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  that help us out and all that testing
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  happens in the field
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  so that when we're presenting a product
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  or offering it to retail,
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  it's something that's already done,
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  all the stuff you just said.
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  We've already tested,
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  we're not just in the driveway
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  and then hoping and
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  praying that it works for you.
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  Now, correct me on,
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  because I did research and
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  Grok sometimes lies to me,
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  but you didn't just happen upon,
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  oh, you know what, I
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  got an idea for a jack.
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  You actually were out
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  in the racing community,
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  finding places where it was like,
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  you know, it'd be neat if
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  we did this, I'm suspecting.
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  Yep, you're 100% right.
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  It's funny because
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  listening to your show,
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  everyone generally starts with a buddy
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  or on a ride or a
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  friend or something small
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  and you kind of slowly work your way up.
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  I just totally back ass for
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  it and came in from the top.
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  Oh, wow.
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  Where we started racing, first in buggies
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  and then all the way to trophy truck,
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  did a little bit of rally racing.
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  I did a number of
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  years with Tony Pellegrino
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  in his 4400 truck, a king of the, or rig,
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  king of the hammers.
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  And so we found through doing all that,
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  that there were a number
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  of things where what existed
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  just didn't get the job done.
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  And I know you've been
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  through this, you have a thing,
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  but it doesn't do the thing you want.
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  And I'll tell you, when you're
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  out in the middle of nowhere,
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  there's nothing more
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  frustrating than that.
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  So we thought, well, heck, I mean,
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  we could probably make
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  something that works for this.
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  And in the beginning,
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  it wasn't even intended to be a company.
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  We were just making
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  the stuff for ourselves.
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  And then other racers
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  saw that and they're like,
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  hey, that's kind of cool.
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  Could you make one for me?
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  And then one thing turned to another,
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  then all of a sudden
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  we realized, oh crap,
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  we have a product company here.
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  So, and now we're here.
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  This is one of the reasons why I like
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  talking to the owner,
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  the person that started the business,
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  because I think these
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  type of conversations
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  are inspirational for
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  people that, who am I?
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  I can't do that.
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  Yeah, I've got to, I got to, yeah.
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  I'll be the first one to
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  say, I'm a total dummy.
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  Anyone can do this,
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  as long as you don't listen
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  to the people that tell you no,
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  don't do a whole bunch of research,
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  because you don't want to know everything
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  that's involved with
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  starting a company upfront.
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  It'll scare you.
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  Oh yes.
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  But I promise you, if
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  you have a good idea,
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  you have a little bit
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  of money or resources,
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  you don't even need a lot.
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  The internet is full
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  of all kinds of things
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  that'll help you.
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  This is like the best
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  time to start a business.
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  Exposure is so easy.
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  Social media is free.
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  And there are more and more people.
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  I mean, why waste life?
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  I think it's amazing.
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  Even though I was just
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  elbow deep in literal
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  (beep)
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  yesterday cleaning out a drain,
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  it is the coolest thing in
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  the world to start a company,
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  to provide a product,
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  to have people tell you,
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  you helped me.
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  And then I'm looking outside the window
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  to be able to employ
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  people and provide them
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  the money to live their lives.
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  So I would suggest it to
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  anyone that's willing to.
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  And I've had this
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  conversation with several people,
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  owners of businesses in the past.
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  It's nice to be, I think
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  it was Tyler at Morflate.
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  I said, it's nice to have employees,
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  but it's gotta be scary
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  when you're making decisions.
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  Yes, it is.
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  And I'm slowly working
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  through my anxieties,
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  but when it was just me, it was like,
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  oh, if I mess up, who cares?
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  Exactly. Now it's like,
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  if you mess up, there's
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  like a lot of people here
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  that also feel that.
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  So easy up, partner.
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  Let's like figure this thing out first.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  And I think this is one of the things
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  that keep people from
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  getting into business like this.
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  And also too, I think people have watched
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  too many legal shows on TV.
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  They figured they're gonna get sued.
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  Everybody's gonna sue me.
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  They're gonna get mad.
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  There's some reason that
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  somebody's gonna come back on me
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  because of that.
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  Don't let fear stifle your ability.
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  I completely agree.
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  I mean, it's just like your podcast.
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  I'm sure you had a ton
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  of people telling you,
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  you can't do this.
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  And look how far you are now.
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  So on my very first episode,
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  which it was a test episode, people.
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  If you go back and
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  listen to the first one,
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  it was a test episode.
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  I did not talk very loud.
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  I mean, people fear me in this house.
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  I would come home and I'd say,
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  I need meat and they would scatter.
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  Because I was hungry and
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  I know I needed red meat.
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  So I'm up here and I'm
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  not talking very loud
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  because I didn't want
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  them making fun of me
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  when I got done doing it.
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  Like who do you think you are?
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  You're trying to sound
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  like a radio DJ and stuff.
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  I got over that by doing it.
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  But it's the same thing.
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  Everybody has fears.
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  I think it's one of the best parts.
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  I think it's one of the
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  things that defines you
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  is that strong voice as
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  you're doing this stuff.
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  So I'm glad you got over that.
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  Yeah, me too.
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  Well, anyway, back to me.
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  No.
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  (laughing)
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  Yeah, you know it's not
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  like kind of ship to hell.
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  Yeah, so the thing that gets me is,
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  okay, we were talking
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  about the scissor jack.
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  So let's finish up on that.
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  I mean, we can come
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  back to it at any time.
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  But the scissor jack, so
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  am I correct in assuming
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  that it's taller than
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  a factory scissor jack?
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  You mentioned the planetary gear.
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  You mentioned the reducing.
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  So it makes it easier to
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  lift heavy weights with it,
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  like with a screwdriver or,
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  can you use an impact on that?
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  One of those electric impacts?
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  Planetary gear reductions,
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  which is three sets of
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  gears inside each other.
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  They need or really like continuous load,
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  like a drill would provide.
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  They do not like impact loads.
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  Impact loads because
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  it's moving back and forth,
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  that shock load will wear that gear set.
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  And it basically just
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  shortens the lifespan.
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  So for that one product,
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  we do recommend either
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  hand crank or gear only.
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  But we also have a standard duty,
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  which is a little bit smaller
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  for like UTVs, power sports,
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  kind of some of the crossover cars.
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  There's a lot of Subaru guys going,
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  you can use an impact on that one.
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  And then one of the other problems
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  that we're trying to solve right now,
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  we just finished initial development
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  and it is a kind of a medium size one.
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  That's your pickup trucks.
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  For the guys that are
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  running Jeeps that have impacts,
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  that's them as well.
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  And that one you'll also be
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  able to use an impact gun on.
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  And that's a little bit later this year.
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  Yeah, cause I was thinking
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  impact would probably be bad
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  because of that jarring motion.
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  So I'm glad I asked.
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  But I can see a lot of Jeepers out there
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  with taking impacts
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  because they might
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  want to pop the wheel off.
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  And that makes it really simple.
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  I just want to make sure it
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  wasn't one of those situations
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  where you need a drill and an impact.
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  It sounds like the impact
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  might work fine in the Jeep world.
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  Yeah, for the medium duty one,
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  that's going to be coming out a little
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  bit later this year,
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  100%, the impact is the way to go.
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  Now is the medium duty shorter
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  or has it got the
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  same height as the heavy?
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  So the medium duty, believe it or not,
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  it's actually larger.
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  So with all of these products,
• 13:48
  I always work backwards from the
• 13:50
  application and the problem.
• 13:52
  And so at the HD,
• 13:54
  the one that has the
• 13:54
  planetary gear set on it,
• 13:56
  that one extends to 20.5 inches tall.
• 14:00
  And we found that was
• 14:01
  enough height for your F-250s,
• 14:04
  your Rams, your Sprinter vans,
• 14:07
  a lot of trailers and
• 14:09
  close and open trailers.
• 14:10
  So we try to optimize that height
• 14:12
  based on the number
• 14:13
  of applications we see.
• 14:14
  And then the medium duty,
• 14:16
  sorry, these names are very basic.
• 14:19
  They're not super easy
• 14:20
  to remember sometimes.
• 14:21
  That one's actually taller
• 14:22
  because we found the
• 14:23
  Jeeps and the Broncos
• 14:25
  and some of the F-150s
• 14:26
  either have longer travel suspension
• 14:28
  or they've upgraded to a taller type.
• 14:31
  Right, good, all right.
• 14:33
  And of course you can
• 14:33
  always go to AGM products,
• 14:36
  AGM-products.com.
• 14:38
  If you can't remember what
• 14:40
  he's calling these things,
• 14:41
  it's all right there.
• 14:43
  Do you do anything on the website
• 14:45
  where you make recommendations
• 14:47
  based on what you're driving?
• 14:49
  Yes, we're starting to do that now
• 14:51
  with all of our products.
• 14:52
  We've seen that those are
• 14:55
  some of the biggest questions
• 14:56
  that we're getting as we start to offer
• 14:58
  a larger variety of products.
• 15:01
  So we're making a number
• 15:01
  of videos for how to use it.
• 15:03
  And then right now we're actually working
• 15:06
  on kind of a buyer's guide that will say,
• 15:08
  hey, if this is your application
• 15:10
  or you do this kind of
• 15:11
  stuff, check out this product.
• 15:14
  All right, so I'm gonna
• 15:16
  get into the suggestion.
• 15:18
  I wouldn't call this a Jeep
• 15:19
  talk show, me another idea.
• 15:20
  It's really a legitimate
• 15:21
  question, not meant to be funny.
• 15:24
  One of the things that
• 15:25
  always frustrated me, a nice,
• 15:29
  oh crap, I forgot the name,
• 15:30
  the jack that you use in your garage
• 15:33
  where you has long hand on floor jack.
• 15:37
  So the floor jacks, I
• 15:39
  would always have to,
• 15:41
  when I was doing
• 15:41
  searches for a floor jack,
• 15:43
  I would have to make sure
• 15:45
  that it had a certain height
• 15:47
  and it was never high enough.
• 15:48
  I mean, there was even
• 15:49
  situations where the floor jack
• 15:51
  needed to be up on wood blocks
• 15:53
  or have a wood block on top of the thing.
• 15:55
  It presents all kinds of other issues.
• 15:56
  Oh, it's unstable,
• 15:58
  it's a dumb thing to do,
• 16:00
  but what are you gonna do?
• 16:00
  Oh, and I think I learned this
• 16:02
  when I was putting on
• 16:03
  sliders on my wife's TJ
• 16:06
  and you have to take both the body
• 16:07
  so the sliders will go
• 16:09
  underneath those bolts.
• 16:10
  I'd used more than one block
• 16:12
  because even though I
• 16:13
  had a nice floor jack,
• 16:14
  it was not tall enough.
• 16:16
  So that, I mean, have you
• 16:18
  looked into doing floor jacks?
• 16:19
  I mean, I know it's
• 16:20
  not the off road thing,
• 16:21
  although I guess it can be
• 16:22
  if you've got it in the room.
• 16:24
  I'm surprised, there's a
• 16:25
  couple of companies out there
• 16:26
  that do a really good job of it right now
• 16:28
  and I think even Harbor Freight
• 16:29
  just came out with a new one.
• 16:32
  So it's a huge market
• 16:34
  and it's not something
• 16:36
  that we have dove into yet,
• 16:39
  but I mean, as we're listening to people
• 16:42
  and we're hearing their problems,
• 16:44
  I mean, everything's on the table, right?
• 16:45
  Where we're here to try to make
• 16:48
  off-roading more accessible
• 16:49
  and to help people become more prepared
• 16:52
  as they go out to do their things.
• 16:55
  So I mean--
• 16:56
  Well, I mean, you can
• 16:56
  take a floor jack off-road,
• 16:58
  I mean, tying it down,
• 16:59
  which could be a whole nother
• 17:00
  thing that you could do to it.
• 17:02
  The kit, the tie-down kit.
• 17:03
  Yeah, there's all kinds of accessories
• 17:05
  you can make work with that.
• 17:06
  Yeah, but what you need
• 17:07
  to do on your YouTube is,
• 17:09
  if you do come out with one,
• 17:10
  you need to have it
• 17:11
  pass the zip tie test.
• 17:13
  So that whatever--
• 17:14
  What is the zip tie test?
• 17:15
  Oh, that's when you
• 17:16
  roll it across the floor
• 17:17
  and there's a zip tie in the way
• 17:18
  and it just locks up.
• 17:20
  Yeah, it can't go over the zip tie.
• 17:24
  Yeah, we did early on
• 17:26
  and we learned a lesson,
• 17:27
  we probably shouldn't have named names,
• 17:28
  but it was early on in the company.
• 17:30
  We did a jack off.
• 17:33
  I was trying to really
• 17:34
  stay hard away from that.
• 17:37
  We might as well just go there
• 17:39
  because that's what you
• 17:40
  do when you're younger
• 17:42
  and you're a, like I
• 17:42
  said, I'm not a smart person,
• 17:44
  but we compare--
• 17:46
  But you're a hands-on dude.
• 17:48
  I can see you see this whole,
• 17:49
  this goes down a whole trail.
• 17:51
  We just grabbed a bunch of stuff
• 17:52
  and we went out to the
• 17:53
  desert and we're like,
• 17:54
  okay, what are the
• 17:54
  things that happen to people?
• 17:55
  And then we just tried to
• 17:56
  go through a series of tests
• 17:57
  and be as honest as we could.
• 17:58
  And yeah, so that's out there for anyone
• 18:02
  that wants to see it.
• 18:03
  So we had the Yankham
• 18:06
  ropes on here a while back
• 18:08
  and I couldn't stand it.
• 18:10
  I had to do up an image of
• 18:12
  the Yankham rope hand lotion.
• 18:15
  It just made sense to me.
• 18:19
  (laughing)
• 18:20
  They need to sell that down.
• 18:24
  That was a cheap talk
• 18:25
  show, made another idea.
• 18:26
  Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 18:29
  I like the ones that
• 18:30
  go, oh, that's just rude.
• 18:32
  And then they giggle.
• 18:32
  (laughing)
• 18:36
  So yeah, so there's a possibility
• 18:38
  that you guys might
• 18:39
  be doing a floor jack.
• 18:39
  I mean, this seems to
• 18:40
  be in your bailiwick.
• 18:42
  Yep.
• 18:44
  All right, so the,
• 18:47
  oh, let's get into the really cool ones.
• 18:50
  And I thought this was cool
• 18:52
  and I didn't realize that
• 18:53
  you guys were the originator
• 18:55
  of the jack.
• 18:58
  What do you call it?
• 18:59
  I mean, you know, I'm
• 19:00
  talking about the cylinders.
• 19:01
  You know people that are like really good
• 19:03
  at naming things and they
• 19:04
  always say the right words.
• 19:06
  That's not us.
• 19:07
  So we just look at a thing
• 19:09
  and we're like, what is it?
• 19:10
  And so I think the one
• 19:11
  you were talking about,
• 19:12
  we just call the electric
• 19:13
  jack because it's a tube,
• 19:15
  it goes up and down.
• 19:16
  It has basically a built-in impact in it.
• 19:19
  So you plug in a drill battery,
• 19:21
  it's got a motor, a screw, a switch and
• 19:25
  it raises and lowers.
• 19:26
  And not only is it lift
• 19:27
  vehicles, change tires,
• 19:28
  all that stuff, but it's made,
• 19:30
  not so much for the Jeep,
• 19:32
  but for smaller vehicles
• 19:33
  kind of in power sports
• 19:34
  to roll back under their wheels
• 19:36
  with just one person in a few minutes.
• 19:39
  So it becomes kind of a
• 19:40
  Swiss army knife off-road.
• 19:41
  Yeah, that one we did
• 19:42
  a number of years ago
• 19:43
  and there's a bunch
• 19:43
  of patents around that
• 19:46
  that I think like you're alluding to,
• 19:48
  there's other
• 19:48
  companies that are out there
• 19:49
  kind of making stuff now.
• 19:53
  Yeah, that are borrowing a
• 19:55
  little bit of that shine.
• 19:56
  So this is gonna be
• 19:58
  the critical question.
• 20:01
  Yeah.
• 20:01
  What battery pack, what
• 20:03
  manufacturer's battery pack
• 20:05
  do you use?
• 20:06
  Is it DeWalt?
• 20:07
  Only Ryobi.
• 20:09
  No.
• 20:10
  See?
• 20:10
  I'm just kidding.
• 20:11
  You gotta fix that.
• 20:13
  Yeah, we offer it for
• 20:15
  Milwaukee, DeWalt and Makita.
• 20:18
  Oh, okay, good.
• 20:18
  So you do have different ones.
• 20:20
  Okay, because I'm thinking these people,
• 20:22
  they're going, I'd
• 20:22
  like to have that jack.
• 20:24
  I'm not buying a
• 20:24
  different battery manufacturer.
• 20:25
  I have $3,000 of batteries here.
• 20:30
  Right, and that's a whole other thing is
• 20:33
  I absolutely hate being
• 20:35
  stuck into like proprietary stuff
• 20:37
  when it comes to stuff.
• 20:38
  Exactly.
• 20:38
  And people only buy their thing.
• 20:40
  Yeah.
• 20:40
  So all of our products try to be as
• 20:42
  universal as possible.
• 20:43
  And that's why we didn't try to recreate
• 20:45
  the whole thing with that.
• 20:47
  Oh, yeah, you should have been like Apple
• 20:49
  and came out with a special cable,
• 20:50
  you know, like a special battery.
• 20:52
  Oh, that's surprising nuts.
• 20:52
  Nuts, I hate that.
• 20:54
  Yeah.
• 20:55
  So I blew by, I think I
• 20:57
  was talking when you said it,
• 20:58
  say the manufacturer
• 20:59
  batteries that it'll use.
• 21:01
  So the main ones, so
• 21:02
  Milwaukee, DeWalt, Makita.
• 21:06
  Okay.
• 21:06
  And that's what we've heard the most of
• 21:08
  both from regular users all the way
• 21:11
  through to contractors
• 21:12
  and even some military stuff we do.
• 21:15
  So does that mean that
• 21:16
  they'll accept the one jack
• 21:18
  will accept all three or
• 21:19
  you have to buy the jack
• 21:20
  specific to that battery?
• 21:22
  That's a good question.
• 21:23
  So the way the jack is
• 21:24
  built is the outside portion
• 21:26
  where the battery connects
• 21:26
  to, that has to get changed.
• 21:29
  So you have to pick which
• 21:30
  one you want ahead of time.
• 21:32
  Can you get adapters?
• 21:34
  Like maybe you changed your mind.
• 21:35
  Yeah, exactly.
• 21:36
  Yeah, people do.
• 21:38
  So if you do, you just call us.
• 21:41
  We just send you the other one
• 21:44
  and we've made it simple enough
• 21:45
  that it's just four, five
• 21:47
  screws and two connectors.
• 21:49
  You just pop the thing
• 21:50
  up, put a new one on and--
• 21:52
  That's great.
• 21:53
  See, that's scary,
• 21:54
  especially when you're
• 21:55
  buying an expensive jack.
• 21:57
  It's like, well, I'm
• 21:58
  really married to this DeWalt
• 22:00
  or whatever.
• 22:01
  So that's the other part of it.
• 22:03
  We have a bunch of videos on this too is,
• 22:05
  it goes along with that being stuck
• 22:07
  in other people's ecosystems.
• 22:08
  One of the other things I hate,
• 22:09
  and I feel like I'm getting a new phone,
• 22:11
  like faster and faster over here,
• 22:12
  is not being able to service the stuff.
• 22:14
  Yes.
• 22:15
  Every one of our products,
• 22:17
  there's videos that show you,
• 22:18
  you can take the thing
• 22:19
  apart, you can service it,
• 22:21
  you can repair it, you can
• 22:21
  do all this stuff on your own,
• 22:22
  you give us a call, we'll
• 22:23
  send you the parts you need.
• 22:25
  Or if that's scary, you
• 22:26
  send this stuff back to us.
• 22:27
  We also offer service here.
• 22:29
  Just try to make it as easy as possible
• 22:31
  for everyone to go
• 22:34
  have fun with confidence,
• 22:36
  experience all the freedom
• 22:38
  and all the fun that
• 22:38
  we know off-roading is.
• 22:40
  Yeah.
• 22:40
  So I'm sure you've been
• 22:42
  listening to this right
• 22:43
  to repair
• 22:44
  (beep)
• 22:44
  that's been going on.
• 22:46
  Where like Ford says, you're not capable
• 22:48
  of working on those vehicles.
• 22:49
  My idea is one of the
• 22:50
  worst offenders that I do.
• 22:51
  We know a lot of guys and farmers,
• 22:53
  whoa, and farming, it's crazy.
• 22:55
  So I think where
• 22:56
  people will draw the line,
• 22:58
  this goes back to your joke,
• 22:59
  where people will draw the line
• 23:00
  as whenever the right to Jack comes out.
• 23:05
  (laughing)
• 23:06
  You get people on this.
• 23:09
  Signs in front of City Hall or something.
• 23:11
  Sponsored by the Catholic Church.
• 23:13
  So.
• 23:13
  (laughing)
• 23:14
  Your right to Jack.
• 23:15
  (laughing)
• 23:16
  So you don't wanna go down that road.
• 23:19
  All right, so anyway, so
• 23:20
  you have the electric one.
• 23:21
  I think that was cool.
• 23:22
  I don't wanna go back to that.
• 23:24
  So it has, basically you
• 23:26
  said the drill battery inside,
• 23:28
  you just gotta provide it
• 23:29
  power with the power pack
• 23:31
  that we were talking about.
• 23:32
  And this is not, people
• 23:34
  can make their own jokes.
• 23:35
  How many Jacks can you
• 23:36
  get out of one battery pack?
• 23:38
  I know it depends, but about.
• 23:39
  Yeah, I was gonna say it depends.
• 23:42
  Depends on what you're working with.
• 23:44
  There's so many bad jokes in there.
• 23:45
  But it's original purpose,
• 23:50
  which is kinda UTBs and side by sides,
• 23:52
  whether they're here on the West Coast
• 23:54
  or the guys mud or wherever.
• 23:55
  That little two amp hour battery,
• 23:57
  the small one that you see at Home Depot,
• 23:59
  generally your six or seven tire changes
• 24:03
  out of our pro model,
• 24:05
  which is the premium
• 24:06
  one you're talking about
• 24:06
  with the higher price.
• 24:07
  And then later this year,
• 24:08
  we're coming out with a sport
• 24:10
  or a more cost effective one.
• 24:12
  And we changed the gear
• 24:13
  ratios in the motor and that.
• 24:14
  So you get like double or triple that.
• 24:16
  So you can get 10, 12, 15 uses out of it,
• 24:20
  out of a single battery,
• 24:21
  because a lot of people
• 24:22
  will fill their vehicle up
• 24:24
  before they go off road,
• 24:25
  but they often forget to
• 24:26
  charge or fill up their batteries.
• 24:28
  Of course, yeah.
• 24:29
  So we're trying to think ahead
• 24:31
  and make that as easy as possible.
• 24:34
  Do you have a charger that
• 24:36
  people can charge off road?
• 24:37
  Like while they're
• 24:38
  driving around off road,
• 24:39
  do you have a battery charger?
• 24:41
  You know, honestly, that's
• 24:42
  the first time I've heard that.
• 24:43
  What we offer is the regular chargers
• 24:46
  that you just plug into 110,
• 24:48
  just cause they work so good
• 24:50
  and they're tried and true.
• 24:53
  But I mean, I'm gonna
• 24:55
  write down the trail charger
• 24:57
  and see if it charges fast
• 24:59
  enough, is the only thing.
• 25:01
  Right, well, I'm thinking
• 25:02
  that people love the buttons.
• 25:05
  So they have a special button
• 25:07
  cause you don't wanna
• 25:08
  charge in all the time.
• 25:09
  But if you take it off
• 25:11
  and you know you're
• 25:12
  gonna be running a while
• 25:13
  maybe driving to wherever you're going,
• 25:14
  you hit that button,
• 25:15
  now it's gonna be ready
• 25:17
  whenever you get to where
• 25:18
  you are or at least charged.
• 25:20
  I'm charged by it.
• 25:21
  Yeah, and it's one last
• 25:21
  thing you gotta do at home.
• 25:22
  Exactly.
• 25:23
  So I think that'd be really cool.
• 25:25
  And of course, I'm sure there's other
• 25:27
  ways you could do it.
• 25:28
  You could probably monitor voltage.
• 25:30
  And then whenever it
• 25:31
  was at 13, eight or 14,
• 25:33
  you know, the engine's running
• 25:34
  and you can turn the charger on.
• 25:35
  So, and I don't think those
• 25:37
  things use a lot of current.
• 25:39
  So it probably wouldn't be-
• 25:40
  It's very little unless you're done,
• 25:42
  even when you're doing some
• 25:43
  kind of major rapid charge,
• 25:44
  it's still very little compared to other
• 25:46
  consumers in a Jeep.
• 25:47
  So on top of the charging
• 25:50
  of the battery or batteries,
• 25:51
  which I know that DeWalt, other
• 25:53
  manufacturers make chargers.
• 25:54
  I don't know that they
• 25:55
  make mobile chargers.
• 25:57
  How do you mount this thing?
• 25:58
  Especially the big hydraulic ones,
• 26:01
  especially with the motor from the drill
• 26:04
  and everything there.
• 26:05
  I imagine it's quite heavy
• 26:07
  and not something
• 26:07
  that you want hitting you
• 26:09
  in the back of the
• 26:09
  head when you're off road.
• 26:11
  Yes, actually the
• 26:12
  versions that we have right now,
• 26:14
  cause some of the bigger stuff,
• 26:15
  we used to do really big hydraulic stuff
• 26:17
  that was in trophy trucks and all that.
• 26:19
  That stuff has since gone on
• 26:21
  cause the volume was pretty low,
• 26:22
  but the current stuff is
• 26:23
  actually not that heavy.
• 26:24
  Our, the telescopic or
• 26:26
  the trail jet style units
• 26:28
  are all under 20 pounds.
• 26:30
  Oh, nice.
• 26:31
  Yeah, yeah.
• 26:31
  And we have a bolt on mount
• 26:33
  that either bolts to a flat panel
• 26:35
  and uses almost like
• 26:36
  you've seen a snowboard binding,
• 26:37
  how it has like a strap and a buckle.
• 26:40
  I don't know if you've seen that, but we-
• 26:41
  I'm in Southeast Texas.
• 26:43
  I've seen snow for
• 26:44
  three times in my life.
• 26:45
  You've seen it in the
• 26:46
  magazine or on the internet.
• 26:47
  But the other people
• 26:48
  out there have, you know,
• 26:49
  so it's hard.
• 26:49
  So we have someone called quick clamp
• 26:52
  that you can either buy a version
• 26:53
  that mounts to a flat panel
• 26:54
  or a different style
• 26:55
  that mounts to tubes.
• 26:56
  And we have different
• 26:57
  sizes based on your roll cage.
• 26:59
  That's a bolt on version.
• 27:01
  And then we also make weld on versions
• 27:03
  for the guys that are
• 27:03
  building bigger rigs
• 27:05
  or fancier stuff, or even race cars
• 27:07
  that they have a more
• 27:09
  permanent way to mount them.
• 27:10
  Right.
• 27:11
  So now I know, and I don't
• 27:14
  think I'm telling everybody
• 27:15
  about this for the first time.
• 27:17
  I think they know, and if you don't know,
• 27:18
  you should know this.
• 27:19
  A high lift jack, you do not want to
• 27:22
  carry it around outside.
• 27:23
  A lot of people do.
• 27:25
  They do make things
• 27:26
  that you can put on there
• 27:27
  to try to keep the mechanism clean.
• 27:30
  Yeah, yeah.
• 27:31
  But even at that, the high lift jacks,
• 27:34
  and they hate this when I
• 27:35
  say it or people say it.
• 27:36
  High lift jacks are dangerous, brand new.
• 27:40
  You have to know how to use it.
• 27:42
  And this is true of many things.
• 27:44
  I would say everything.
• 27:46
  And ours to a lesser extent,
• 27:47
  because we try to
• 27:49
  lower the learning curve.
• 27:51
  But whatever you buy,
• 27:53
  even if it's high lift,
• 27:53
  and I don't want to talk
• 27:54
  too much do to on them,
• 27:55
  because if they're lubricated
• 27:57
  and you know how to use them right.
• 27:58
  Oh, they're great.
• 27:59
  Oh my gosh, they totally have a place.
• 28:01
  Yeah.
• 28:01
  But you want to take whatever you get,
• 28:04
  start in the
• 28:04
  driveway, practice the thing,
• 28:06
  try a different point to your vehicle.
• 28:08
  Because a lot of people that I see
• 28:09
  driving around here,
• 28:10
  there's not even a
• 28:11
  place to lift their Jeep up
• 28:12
  with their high lift.
• 28:12
  They just have it on there.
• 28:13
  And I guarantee they've never used it.
• 28:16
  Right.
• 28:16
  Yeah, and when you get off road,
• 28:18
  that's the worst thing
• 28:19
  is to be in a situation
• 28:20
  where you have the stuff
• 28:21
  but you have no idea what you're doing.
• 28:23
  Oh yeah, I mean, there should be,
• 28:24
  I mean, 101 classes, or off road classes
• 28:28
  are really good to do,
• 28:30
  because they can teach
• 28:31
  you those type of things.
• 28:32
  And check and see if they do.
• 28:33
  Anyway, back to the high lift jack,
• 28:35
  you don't want them outside.
• 28:36
  How does that apply to your jacks?
• 28:39
  I would imagine the scissor
• 28:40
  jack isn't really a problem
• 28:42
  as far as having it in the muck.
• 28:45
  Yeah, because at least our
• 28:47
  trail jacks are all encased.
• 28:48
  They run with an after we
• 28:50
  thread or a drive screw inside,
• 28:52
  but it's enclosed.
• 28:53
  So they do much better outside.
• 28:55
  The scissor jacks also do better than
• 28:58
  some of the high lifts,
• 29:00
  but just like any product
• 29:02
  and your vehicle itself,
• 29:03
  you do want to still
• 29:04
  maintain these things.
• 29:04
  You want to grease them
• 29:05
  every number of cycles.
• 29:07
  And if this is living outside
• 29:09
  and you do any like
• 29:10
  major silt or major mud,
• 29:13
  you want to clean this thing out
• 29:14
  just like you're going
• 29:15
  to clean out the Jeep
• 29:16
  after the ride and regrease it like you
• 29:18
  would anything else.
• 29:19
  So you can mount the, I apologize.
• 29:24
  What was the name of the $1,500 jack?
• 29:26
  The big one, the electric one?
• 29:27
  We made it as simple as possible.
• 29:29
  That one's electric.
• 29:30
  We got a manual on and then
• 29:31
  we got different scissors.
• 29:32
  No fancy.
• 29:33
  So let's go with the most expensive one
• 29:35
  because that's going to be the one
• 29:36
  that I would be most worried about.
• 29:38
  I'd be worried about theft,
• 29:39
  but getting back to the cleaning.
• 29:41
  So is it fully user serviceable
• 29:44
  or is there a situation where you cannot,
• 29:46
  you have to send it back to you guys?
• 29:48
  It's fully user serviceable.
• 29:51
  Instead of hiding all the hardware,
• 29:52
  which we could have done,
• 29:53
  we exposed some of the
• 29:55
  screws around the perimeter
• 29:57
  so that you're able
• 29:57
  to drop the main body.
• 29:59
  You gain access to the thread.
• 30:00
  You can grease that.
• 30:02
  And then you're able to take the motor
• 30:03
  and the gearbox off from the top
• 30:06
  and you can grease that entire stack.
• 30:08
  The only thing that you could do yourself
• 30:11
  but might require some custom tooling
• 30:13
  that you would come back to us for
• 30:14
  is there's actually a
• 30:15
  clutch inside that as well.
• 30:17
  And the clutch is how
• 30:18
  we set the max pressure.
• 30:20
  That to replace the springs and stuff
• 30:22
  from the clutch is
• 30:23
  something that we'd probably do
• 30:24
  unless you're really
• 30:26
  mechanically inclined
• 30:27
  to get access to making some press tools.
• 30:30
  Right.
• 30:31
  So people up in Michigan
• 30:33
  where they've got the salt
• 30:34
  and it's not just Michigan,
• 30:35
  but people up in
• 30:36
  Michigan salt and snow and ice.
• 30:41
  How does this thing work in those very,
• 30:46
  when you have a tire or you're stuck
• 30:48
  or you're gonna need a jack,
• 30:49
  it's gonna be in the
• 30:50
  absolute worst condition possible.
• 30:52
  Yeah, it always is.
• 30:53
  So as far as getting
• 30:55
  that thing out and working,
• 30:56
  do you have any problems
• 30:57
  like low temps, high temps?
• 31:00
  Do you have a amount of min and max?
• 31:02
  Not in the temperatures that we
• 31:04
  would ever like to go off road again.
• 31:06
  So the grease becomes kind of the
• 31:08
  limiting factor there.
• 31:10
  And the moly grease that we switched to,
• 31:12
  I think is something
• 31:12
  like negative 40 degrees
• 31:16
  up to it's 160 or 180.
• 31:18
  So that off-road range
• 31:20
  kind of handles all the stuff
• 31:23
  that at least I don't
• 31:24
  wanna go off road in.
• 31:26
  And as far as the base,
• 31:27
  the pad on these is
• 31:29
  actually a concave design.
• 31:30
  So it kind of catches or
• 31:31
  compresses the soft material
• 31:34
  in the middle to try to make the ground
• 31:36
  a little bit more firm.
• 31:38
  So most of your sands and your dirts
• 31:42
  and even some of the
• 31:44
  more shallow snows and stuff
• 31:46
  is no big deal.
• 31:47
  If you're getting to really soupy mud,
• 31:49
  just like anything else,
• 31:50
  it's probably a good idea to put down
• 31:52
  a little bit bigger base.
• 31:53
  Maybe you have a piece of wood,
• 31:54
  maybe you have something.
• 31:55
  And it's not that it won't work in that.
• 31:57
  The only thing that you're doing is just
• 32:00
  by creating that platform,
• 32:02
  you're allowing yourself more of the lift
• 32:04
  to be used on a vehicle instead of
• 32:06
  getting to hard ground.
• 32:08
  That was gonna be my next question.
• 32:09
  Cause that's one of the things
• 32:11
  that I've learned about high lift is,
• 32:12
  and in fact, it's kind
• 32:13
  of a use of the high lift
• 32:15
  is that you can
• 32:15
  actually jack something up
• 32:17
  and then push on the
• 32:18
  high lift or the Jeep
• 32:19
  and move it over, you know,
• 32:22
  get it a better line.
• 32:24
  But that's unstable.
• 32:27
  And how does that handle,
• 32:29
  how do you guys handle the
• 32:30
  stability on your electric jack?
• 32:33
  Good Lord, I remembered.
• 32:34
  You did it.
• 32:36
  Nice.
• 32:37
  Yeah, so the way that
• 32:39
  we control stability
• 32:40
  is a couple of fold.
• 32:42
  One, the path that indexes the vehicle
• 32:44
  is a little bit bigger than kind of where
• 32:47
  the high lift would hit.
• 32:49
  And it's got a rubberized surface.
• 32:50
  It creates a little more friction
• 32:53
  than like a metal on metal.
• 32:54
  And then the base of it is actually,
• 32:57
  it pivots in one direction
• 32:59
  so that you're controlling it on one axis
• 33:01
  and then it's a bushing.
• 33:02
  So it just has a little
• 33:03
  bit of movement in the other.
• 33:05
  And the way it works where
• 33:06
  you don't get with a high lift
• 33:08
  is a high lift jack, it is fixed.
• 33:10
  Your lift point versus
• 33:11
  where the jack itself is.
• 33:13
  One of the things that's in our patent
• 33:15
  as part of the development is the color
• 33:17
  that's around the outside of our jack
• 33:19
  can spend 360 degrees.
• 33:21
  So we can take the base
• 33:23
  pivot that we just talked about
• 33:25
  and we can turn it 90 degrees
• 33:27
  to the pad where we're lifting
• 33:28
  and we can get it to
• 33:29
  rotate another direction.
• 33:31
  So you can either rotate with the vehicle
• 33:33
  so that as you're lifting and
• 33:34
  the vehicle goes away from you
• 33:35
  the jack kind of follows it.
• 33:37
  Or we can turn it 90 degrees like--
• 33:39
  That's a great idea.
• 33:40
  That's a great idea.
• 33:42
  If the ground is
• 33:42
  starting to slip away from you,
• 33:44
  you turn it 90 degrees.
• 33:46
  And now the bushing actually fights
• 33:50
  the partially soft ground so the jack
• 33:52
  doesn't wanna slide out
• 33:53
  from under the vehicle.
• 33:54
  And so that was part
• 33:55
  of the design that came
• 33:57
  because we were
• 33:57
  trying to solve the problem
• 33:58
  instead of just building a product.
• 34:01
  Right.
• 34:01
  So we've talked a lot about the fancy
• 34:04
  one, the electric jack.
• 34:05
  You mentioned briefly the manual jack.
• 34:08
  And I think that kind of describes it,
• 34:10
  but what's the difference between,
• 34:13
  I mean, there's a
• 34:14
  substantial price difference
• 34:16
  between the two as well.
• 34:18
  So, and of course you
• 34:20
  don't need batteries,
• 34:21
  except for the maybe the
• 34:23
  vibrator to massage your back
• 34:25
  when you're done with it.
• 34:27
  Yeah, so the manual
• 34:28
  version has 50% more capacity.
• 34:32
  It's super popular at
• 34:34
  like King of the Hammers
• 34:35
  with every class of vehicle.
• 34:37
  And that's because it's so compact.
• 34:39
  It's only about two feet fully collapsed.
• 34:42
  Oh, that's neat.
• 34:44
  It runs off of an impact gun.
• 34:45
  Whatever impact gun you have.
• 34:47
  It has that same color
• 34:49
  that's fully adjustable
• 34:50
  and that same pad setup.
• 34:52
  But because it's smaller
• 34:54
  and it's a lower price point,
• 34:55
  it kind of ticks more boxes for people.
• 34:57
  And then we've gone a step further
• 34:59
  because the Pro Series stuff is really
• 35:02
  for those high end
• 35:03
  builds, for the race cars,
• 35:04
  for the guys that need
• 35:05
  stuff done like incredibly fast
• 35:07
  and need it to work 100%
• 35:09
  of the time, no questions.
• 35:11
  We've made a sport
• 35:12
  version of that product
• 35:13
  that's more price conscious
• 35:16
  for kind of the everyday adventurer
• 35:19
  that does 70, 80% of
• 35:21
  what the big one does,
• 35:23
  but does it at a fraction of the cost.
• 35:24
  So we're trying to kind of
• 35:25
  come in where you have that,
• 35:27
  for the bigger one, you
• 35:28
  have that like 3000 pounds
• 35:30
  of capacity.
• 35:31
  And that's not the weight of the vehicle.
• 35:32
  That's just the corner
• 35:33
  that you're having to pick up.
• 35:36
  And then the other one is a
• 35:37
  little bit lighter capacity,
• 35:39
  but at the lower price
• 35:40
  point, it's still is a great buy
• 35:42
  that works for many of the vehicles
• 35:43
  that you guys talked about.
• 35:45
  So looking at the manual jack sport
• 35:48
  that you were just talking about,
• 35:49
  I think that has a
• 35:50
  really nice price point on it.
• 35:52
  And I can see people going with that
• 35:55
  because it's like, okay,
• 35:56
  that's worth getting it
• 35:58
  as much as I use it.
• 35:59
  I'm gonna warn people,
• 36:00
  if you've ever done a lift on your Jeep,
• 36:03
  you're always warned that
• 36:05
  that's not the last lift
• 36:06
  you're gonna do, because
• 36:07
  you're gonna get it on there
• 36:09
  and then you're gonna buy another one,
• 36:10
  usually because you
• 36:11
  wanted it two inches higher.
• 36:14
  So think long and hard,
• 36:16
  and this does
• 36:17
  everything to do with the whole
• 36:18
  Jack comedy thing.
• 36:20
  Think long and hard
• 36:21
  about why you shouldn't get
• 36:23
  the manual jack pro at least.
• 36:27
  So because you could wind up going back,
• 36:29
  you could always try to
• 36:30
  sell this thing on market,
• 36:31
  a Facebook marketplace,
• 36:32
  I guess, but why do that?
• 36:33
  Just get the one you need to start with.
• 36:36
  And that's what we say.
• 36:37
  It's a buy once, cry once,
• 36:39
  and then you're really thankful later.
• 36:42
  Well, it's like any tool.
• 36:43
  I mean, winches, for
• 36:44
  example, winches are very expensive.
• 36:46
  Everybody is quite sure they need one,
• 36:49
  even if they never use it,
• 36:51
  it's a great tool to have.
• 36:53
  And you want something
• 36:54
  that's gonna be well made
• 36:57
  and it's gonna work
• 36:58
  whenever you go to use it.
• 37:00
  So you don't want, it's
• 37:02
  kind of like a conceal
• 37:04
  or a carry weapon.
• 37:06
  You don't wanna go cheap
• 37:07
  because you wanna make sure
• 37:09
  you get the best one you need it.
• 37:10
  Same thing with this.
• 37:12
  Yeah.
• 37:13
  And also too, guys,
• 37:15
  don't get the silver ones.
• 37:16
  Let it be a surprise.
• 37:18
  They don't know what's going
• 37:19
  on until the flash goes off.
• 37:20
  Oh, I see your point there.
• 37:23
  But anyway, so what do
• 37:25
  you think is the best thing
• 37:26
  for a jeeper?
• 37:27
  Would it be the scissor jack?
• 37:29
  Like, what do you got here?
• 37:30
  The scissor jack HD?
• 37:32
  I would assume that
• 37:33
  that would be the least
• 37:34
  what you'd like to have.
• 37:35
  I think for the majority of stuff,
• 37:37
  whether you're getting
• 37:37
  unstuck, an actual side center,
• 37:39
  you're stacking rocks,
• 37:40
  you're changing an entire year,
• 37:41
  you're doing some kind of
• 37:42
  break or some kind of repair
• 37:43
  where it doesn't
• 37:44
  require lifting the body,
• 37:46
  that would be the go-to.
• 37:47
  Is the scissor jack product.
• 37:49
  It packs small, it's not super heavy,
• 37:52
  and it's easy to store, easy to carry,
• 37:55
  and super simple to use.
• 37:56
  Yeah, I think everybody
• 37:58
  knows how scissor jack works.
• 38:00
  They've been around for
• 38:01
  decades, maybe 100 years.
• 38:03
  So, but if you want a little bit more
• 38:06
  maybe you have a little bit higher rig,
• 38:09
  you might want to go with
• 38:11
  the scissor jack still be okay,
• 38:12
  or should you start
• 38:13
  looking at the manual jacks?
• 38:15
  With 20 inches of lift,
• 38:18
  I mean, you can get to,
• 38:20
  and it depends on if
• 38:20
  you're in a hole or not,
• 38:21
  but 20 inches of lift,
• 38:22
  and we're talking about
• 38:23
  the bottom of the axle,
• 38:25
  the center line of that axle,
• 38:26
  you could have nearly a 40-inch tire
• 38:28
  and still get a tire just off the ground.
• 38:32
  So for the vast majority of people,
• 38:33
  whether you're 30s,
• 38:34
  33s, 35s, or even 37s,
• 38:37
  it's got you covered.
• 38:39
  And I would assume, you
• 38:41
  seem to be pro high lift jack.
• 38:43
  I would assume that using a combo.
• 38:44
  Well, I mean, I want easy.
• 38:46
  I would assume that
• 38:47
  you got a combo of those,
• 38:49
  that using your jack
• 38:51
  and their jack, if needed,
• 38:53
  would be a good thing to do.
• 38:54
  Yeah, and for, I mean, here's the deal.
• 38:57
  If there wasn't a good
• 38:58
  product in certain applications,
• 38:59
  it also wouldn't be around.
• 39:00
  It's been around, like
• 39:01
  you said, for with scissors.
• 39:03
  It's the same.
• 39:03
  It's been around for
• 39:04
  over a hundred years.
• 39:05
  And it has a bunch of uses,
• 39:06
  but like we're talking
• 39:07
  about this whole time,
• 39:09
  just like everything
• 39:09
  else, you gotta keep it livid,
• 39:10
  and you gotta know what you're doing.
• 39:12
  Right.
• 39:13
  You gotta know what you're doing.
• 39:14
  You gotta keep it livid, and you gotta
• 39:16
  know what you're doing.
• 39:16
  Pay attention to where you're aiming,
• 39:18
  is the other thing.
• 39:19
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:21
  Don't want to catch one in the eye.
• 39:23
  But yeah, but I mean,
• 39:24
  I mean, you obviously have products here
• 39:26
  that you don't need a high lift jack,
• 39:28
  but I'm just going down the road to like,
• 39:30
  pretty much everybody
• 39:30
  has a high lift jack.
• 39:32
  And it's not a bad thing
• 39:34
  to have more than one device
• 39:36
  to help you in a situation.
• 39:39
  And I personally think that,
• 39:42
  I mean, I can see situations
• 39:44
  that you might need more than one jack.
• 39:46
  I mean, like two of the manual jack pros.
• 39:49
  I mean, you could always blow both tires
• 39:53
  or be in a situation
• 39:54
  where you need to lift,
• 39:56
  or where you need the situation
• 39:57
  where you really need to get the back end
• 40:00
  or the front end up and over something.
• 40:03
  So-
• 40:03
  In the crew that you're going out with,
• 40:07
  are you guys all just high lifts,
• 40:08
  or do you guys carry multiples,
• 40:09
  or does everyone have
• 40:10
  like different things
• 40:11
  to kind of help each other?
• 40:13
  I only ever see high lifts,
• 40:15
  and fortunately, we
• 40:17
  don't even have to use those.
• 40:19
  We made fun of one guy,
• 40:20
  because he got the six foot high lift,
• 40:22
  and I told him he needs to
• 40:23
  put a flag on that thing.
• 40:25
  (both laughing) It's to help airplanes spot your crew
• 40:30
  while they're flying over.
• 40:31
  Great place to mount the Starlink.
• 40:33
  Yeah, exactly.
• 40:35
  (both laughing)
• 40:36
  So, oh, and that's the other thing,
• 40:38
  and you probably saw this coming.
• 40:39
  I know our viewers do.
• 40:41
  The only thing I see,
• 40:42
  the only problem that I
• 40:43
  see with your jacks is
• 40:45
  you got the wrong color.
• 40:47
  It needs to be red.
• 40:49
  (both laughing)
• 40:50
  And that's funny
• 40:50
  because we actually made,
• 40:52
  so the very first
• 40:53
  product we had was because
• 40:55
  high lifts for all the awesome,
• 40:57
  they're just so heavy.
• 40:58
  The first product that we
• 41:00
  made was an aluminum bar
• 41:03
  that replaced the steel one,
• 41:04
  and it was fancy,
• 41:05
  and it had all kinds of
• 41:06
  stainless steel slides on it
• 41:08
  and stuff because somehow
• 41:09
  the high lift jack works
• 41:10
  as it actually loads
• 41:12
  the mechanism sideways
• 41:13
  in addition to the pins.
• 41:15
  And we made those in red and blue,
• 41:17
  and all these different colors,
• 41:19
  and we're like, "Man, people
• 41:20
  are gonna be buying the red,
• 41:20
  "and they're gonna be
• 41:21
  buying the blue," right?
• 41:21
  Because we're all patriotic.
• 41:23
  The black silhouette that sold.
• 41:25
  Yeah, well, it's the
• 41:25
  same thing with T-shirts.
• 41:26
  The few times that we've done T-shirts,
• 41:28
  everybody wanted black,
• 41:29
  and I'm going, "You know
• 41:30
  how hot the black gets?"
• 41:31
  Yeah, well, I mean, I
• 41:32
  guess I can't talk, but...
• 41:34
  Well, it's a popular color.
• 41:35
  You're doing exactly the right thing.
• 41:37
  Yeah, it was the most popular color,
• 41:39
  and from many, not that
• 41:40
  this is kind of boring,
• 41:41
  but from a manufacturing standpoint,
• 41:43
  it's also the most repeatable color.
• 41:44
  So batch to batch to batch,
• 41:46
  it stays the most consistent.
• 41:48
  But downside is when it's on the car,
• 41:49
  no one knows the thing exists,
• 41:51
  so we get like zero marketing
• 41:53
  from photos of cars going by.
• 41:54
  Well, the thing they don't understand is,
• 41:57
  especially with these,
• 41:58
  if it's red for Christmas,
• 42:00
  you just get white tape
• 42:01
  and now you got a candy cane.
• 42:03
  (laughing)
• 42:05
  I'm writing it down.
• 42:06
  I'm writing it down.
• 42:07
  The candy cane kit.
• 42:09
  Candy cane jacks, done.
• 42:11
  There you go.
• 42:12
  All right, so, gosh,
• 42:15
  I think we've beat this thing to death.
• 42:16
  It's a really interesting product.
• 42:18
  I love the, and I did not know,
• 42:20
  I mean, I asked you before
• 42:20
  we started recording about
• 42:22
  if this is something that
• 42:23
  you had made for other people,
• 42:25
  and you already mentioned about some
• 42:27
  patent infringement.
• 42:28
  And that's the downside to patents.
• 42:30
  You go through all that
• 42:31
  trouble of getting a patent,
• 42:33
  and then you can't just say,
• 42:35
  I got a patent, you need to stop that.
• 42:37
  I mean, you can, but unless you're
• 42:38
  willing to go to court,
• 42:40
  unless you're willing to go to court
• 42:42
  and spend $50,000 to
• 42:43
  $100,000, it doesn't mean
• 42:44
  (beep)
• 42:45
  Yep, and I, I mean,
• 42:47
  we still would have
• 42:47
  got the patents we got,
• 42:48
  but I wish someone would
• 42:50
  have told me that early on,
• 42:51
  because it's only
• 42:51
  worth the time and money
• 42:53
  you're gonna use to
• 42:53
  enforce the dang thing.
• 42:55
  Right.
• 42:55
  Well, it's like, yeah,
• 42:57
  it's like, I tell people here,
• 42:59
  there's, anybody can do a podcast,
• 43:00
  anybody can do a show like we do.
• 43:02
  And if you're doing a
• 43:03
  better one, more power to you.
• 43:05
  It's up to, it's up
• 43:06
  to us to have the show
• 43:08
  that's better than the rest.
• 43:09
  And I think that's the
• 43:10
  same thing you have here.
• 43:11
  It's like, yeah, okay, but other people
• 43:13
  are making this Jack,
• 43:14
  but they're not making the original Jack
• 43:16
  the one that they, they're there.
• 43:17
  Yeah, well, and the
• 43:18
  other part of that too,
• 43:19
  is I've come to the
• 43:20
  realization that like it's,
• 43:21
  we're not, we're not
• 43:23
  lighting the world on fire.
• 43:24
  It's products that although they have
• 43:26
  very unique features
• 43:28
  about them and they are patented,
• 43:30
  at the end of the day,
• 43:31
  it essentially does the same thing.
• 43:32
  So where we really try to
• 43:34
  shine is the customer service,
• 43:36
  the support and the network of education,
• 43:40
  the videos, the how tos,
• 43:41
  so which one is it that you need,
• 43:43
  the, oh, you're on the
• 43:44
  trail and you have an issue,
• 43:45
  give us a call, okay.
• 43:46
  And a lot of times we're
• 43:47
  even answering questions
• 43:48
  and doing things for
• 43:48
  people that have nothing to do
• 43:50
  with our products because the real moat
• 43:53
  is in making sure that
• 43:54
  people can get out there,
• 43:55
  they can have fun, they can explore,
• 43:58
  and they're doing it safer.
• 43:59
  So that's kind of where we aim.
• 44:02
  Yeah, they shouldn't give a
• 44:03
  second thought to what if,
• 44:05
  because they've got it covered.
• 44:07
  Yeah, that's what they've got.
• 44:08
  It's always in the back of your mind,
• 44:09
  you're not having a good day.
• 44:10
  And I think we're all
• 44:11
  out there to have fun,
• 44:13
  to get away, to remember who we are,
• 44:14
  to kind of be in our happy
• 44:15
  spot and just to enjoy life.
• 44:18
  And coming soon, you
• 44:19
  won't even have to worry
• 44:19
  about the battery being charged.
• 44:22
  Yeah, right?
• 44:23
  And it came one for Christmas.
• 44:24
  Oh, I think that's a great idea.
• 44:26
  That probably is a cheap
• 44:27
  talk show, maybe another idea.
• 44:28
  I've used that one
• 44:29
  before though, but it's round,
• 44:30
  it looks like a candy cane, absolutely.
• 44:32
  Oh, you could come up with
• 44:34
  the little curve over thing
• 44:35
  that goes at the top of the candy cane.
• 44:37
  The handle part, yeah.
• 44:38
  That fits on there.
• 44:40
  All right, so you know how
• 44:41
  the kids love the social media,
• 44:43
  where can people find
• 44:44
  you on social media?
• 44:45
  I know we've talked about the website,
• 44:47
  agm-products.com.
• 44:49
  You've mentioned that you're on YouTube.
• 44:51
  I know you're on Instagram because we
• 44:52
  followed you guys today.
• 44:54
  Yeah, YouTube, Instagram, TikTok.
• 44:57
  The handle is AGM products.
• 44:59
  Facebook is still the holdover.
• 45:01
  It's all German
• 45:02
  Motorsports is the handle.
• 45:06
  Yeah, so those are the
• 45:07
  places you can find us.
• 45:08
  And I think there always clear on this,
• 45:11
  but this isn't a Jeep only product.
• 45:13
  This is a product for anything.
• 45:15
  It actually started as race car products,
• 45:18
  because that was our
• 45:19
  life for the longest time,
• 45:20
  whether it was, you
• 45:21
  know, King of the Hammers,
• 45:22
  Dakar, Baja, Rally,
• 45:26
  and then it slowly made
• 45:27
  its way into power sports.
• 45:29
  And now we're starting
• 45:31
  to kind of pick up more
• 45:32
  into the Jeep world
• 45:33
  and get to that market.
• 45:36
  So I'm super excited.
• 45:37
  We'd love to hear any other
• 45:39
  product ideas anybody has,
• 45:40
  any stuff you guys have,
• 45:42
  so we can go out and
• 45:43
  solve the next problem.
• 45:44
  Excellent.
• 45:46
  Oh, and is it AGM Dash
• 45:48
  products on all the social media?
• 45:49
  It is the guy who
• 45:50
  will not sell the website
• 45:51
  without the dash, so we're stuck with the
• 45:53
  (beep)
• 45:54
  dash.
• 45:55
  And there's no way in the
• 45:57
  (beep)
• 45:57
  you're getting AGM.
• 45:58
  The three letter domains
• 45:59
  are long, so it's kind of-
• 46:00
  If you're the guy with the
• 46:02
  AGMproducts.com website
• 46:03
  listening, please call us.
• 46:05
  We want to get rid of this dash.
• 46:06
  Are you saying there may
• 46:07
  be a jack in it for him?
• 46:09
  There could be a couple.
• 46:10
  I mean, we're all into work a deal.
• 46:12
  We can make it a candy cane jack.
• 46:13
  (laughing)
• 46:15
  All right, well, that's great.
• 46:18
  I really appreciate your time today.
• 46:19
  And yeah, you need to go see
• 46:22
  if you can find your cousin, Bob Little.
• 46:25
  Yeah, we'll have a family reunion.
• 46:27
  Bob Little neighbor.
• 46:28
  Thank you so much for your time today.
• 46:30
  I think you get a great product.
• 46:31
  I mean, when I first saw this,
• 46:34
  yeah, when I first saw the-
• 46:35
  Thank you for having me, Tony.
• 46:36
  Yeah, when I first saw the jacks,
• 46:37
  the ones where you
• 46:38
  don't have to do anything,
• 46:39
  it's to press a button.
• 46:40
  I was like, oh, holy
• 46:41
  (beep)
• 46:41
  this is nice.
• 46:43
  Yeah, that's what I thought.
• 46:44
  This is the whole thing.
• 46:46
  Yes.
• 46:48
  So it's wonderful.
• 46:49
  And the nice thing is
• 46:50
  that you can still get
• 46:52
  the same jack manual
• 46:54
  and use the impact wrench,
• 46:56
  the screwdriver that you already have.
• 46:58
  Yeah, so-
• 46:59
  Yeah, exactly.
• 47:00
  Yeah, so, and then save a little money.
• 47:01
  But I think the electric
• 47:02
  one would really be cool.
• 47:03
  Absolutely.
• 47:04
  We'll keep building up that line.
• 47:06
  And now that it sounds
• 47:07
  like that's the direction,
• 47:08
  I mean, we'll focus a
• 47:10
  little bit more over there too.
• 47:11
  I am so glad you didn't say, nope.
• 47:14
  The only battery that
• 47:15
  fits is the one that we make.
• 47:17
  Oh my God, I hate that.
• 47:19
  I went with Ravi, but I mean,
• 47:20
  no shade to all the people
• 47:21
  that are Home Depot fans.
• 47:23
  But yeah, we stick with the big three.
• 47:24
  Well, you don't always know
• 47:25
  when you get the first tool.
• 47:27
  And then you get the
• 47:28
  first tool and you go,
• 47:29
  oh, this is really nice.
• 47:30
  The battery lasts a long time.
• 47:32
  I could use, oh, I'd like to have this,
• 47:34
  the saw's all or whatever.
• 47:35
  And then you go, oh crap,
• 47:37
  I can't get this other
• 47:38
  brand that's on sale.
• 47:40
  Yeah.
• 47:41
  That's where we're at.
• 47:42
  We have, and I'm sure lots
• 47:44
  of people are the same way.
• 47:45
  I'm looking outside, we bought a rack
• 47:47
  because we have so many batteries when
• 47:49
  we're Milwaukee here.
• 47:50
  So red, we're red.
• 47:52
  I'm looking at, I
• 47:53
  don't know, 20 batteries,
• 47:55
  just sitting waiting to be used,
• 47:56
  not including the ones that are on the
• 47:58
  chargers next to it.
• 48:00
  This is not how it exists.
• 48:01
  As an owner, you don't see the batteries.
• 48:04
  You see $25,000.
• 48:07
  Yeah, it's just better
• 48:08
  enough to talk about that.
• 48:11
  (laughing)
• 48:11
  Well, it costs to get things done.
• 48:12
  It sounds like you guys
• 48:13
  are doing a great job.
• 48:14
  So AGM-products.com, go check it out.
• 48:18
  And if you buy a product or
• 48:20
  had bought a bought a product,
• 48:22
  comment down below,
• 48:24
  whether you're in YouTube
• 48:25
  or on your podcast, your
• 48:27
  favorite podcast player.
• 48:29
  I appreciate your time and
• 48:30
  you guys have a great day.
• 48:31
  If you come out with something new
• 48:33
  or there's a change to something,
• 48:34
  you'd like to get back on the show
• 48:36
  to tell our viewers or listeners about,
• 48:38
  love to have you back.
• 48:39
  Beautiful, awesome.
• 48:40
  Thank you, Tony.
• 48:41
  Thank you guys for watching.
• 48:43
  We'll see everybody soon.
• 48:44
  You're my friend, you're my new friend.
• 48:48
  This is what it's all about.
• 48:50
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• 48:51
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• 48:54
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• 48:55
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