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Mega Edition: Epstein Survivors Say That Lesley Groff Wasn't Honest With Congress (10/25/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. CNN has a piece out and it's talking
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Speaker 1: about how the survivors are calling out Leslie Groff over
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Speaker 1: her testimony that she gave to Congress. And guess what?
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Speaker 1: The survivors are right to call her out. Because Leslie Groff,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, like just about everybody else who has
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Speaker 1: given testimony, lied. And if you could believe it, she
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Speaker 1: walked into Congress with the burden of history on her
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Speaker 1: shoulders and somehow tried to place that burden back onto
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Speaker 1: everyone else. She wasn't some stranger brushing against the outer
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Speaker 1: rim of Jeffrey Epstein's world. She was his longtime executive assistant,
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Speaker 1: the person tied to calendars, calls, travel, appointments, logistics, routines, names, movements,
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Speaker 1: and the machinery that kept Epstein's world humming. Now, that
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Speaker 1: doesn't make her automatically guilty of every evil Epstein committed,
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Speaker 1: but it absolutely makes her responsible for answering hard questions
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Speaker 1: with something better than fog, self-pity, and selective amnesia. The
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Speaker 1: survivors are right to be furious because their lived experience
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Speaker 1: collides headfirst with a version of events Groff tried to sell.
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Speaker 1: She asked the public to believe that she spent nearly
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Speaker 1: two decades inside the central nervous system of Epstein's life,
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Speaker 1: while somehow never absorbing the meaning of signals flashing all
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Speaker 1: around her. She wanted to be seen as deceived, used, isolated,
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Speaker 1: and manipulated, but she offered that story while still minimizing
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Speaker 1: the logistical role that she played. And I think that's
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Speaker 1: the insult, and I think that's why Congress letting her
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Speaker 1: skate through that room without a full public accounting is
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Speaker 1: just another disgrace in a case already drowning in them.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the committee itself said, Her June 9th, 2026
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Speaker 1: interview was part of its review into Epstein, Maxwell, sex
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Speaker 1: trafficking operations, influence networks, and government failures. Groff's opening posture
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Speaker 1: was obvious from the first breath. Shrink herself, soften herself,
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Speaker 1: humanize herself, and turn the temperature down before the facts
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Speaker 1: could turn it back up. She told Congress she was shy, frightened, sleepless, harassed,
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Speaker 1: and damaged by the fallout. And yo, maybe some of
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Speaker 1: that is true. and no decent person should cheer harassment
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Speaker 1: or threats against anyone. But none of that answers the
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Speaker 1: central question. None of that explains how a woman tasked
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Speaker 1: with organizing Epstein's life managed to miss that pattern survivors
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Speaker 1: say was sitting in plain sight. None of that squares
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Speaker 1: with the record of calls, appointments, massages, travel, housing, and access.
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Speaker 1: Groff did what people in these situations so often do.
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Speaker 1: She built the wall of personal suffering and in front
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Speaker 1: of institutional responsibility. She didn't walk in and say, here
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Speaker 1: is what I did, here is what I missed, here
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Speaker 1: is where I failed, here is where the system protected them.
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Speaker 1: She walked in and told Congress, in effect, that Epstein
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Speaker 1: was Dr. Jekyll, that Mr. Hyde was hidden from her,
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Speaker 1: and that she was just another person fooled by the monster.
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Speaker 1: That might be emotionally convenient, but it's not morally sufficient.
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Speaker 1: In her statement, she denied knowing about Epstein's crimes. described
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Speaker 1: them as a master manipulator, and said she would never
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Speaker 1: have stayed silent had she known. The problem with Groff's
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Speaker 1: story is not simply that survivors reject it. The problem
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Speaker 1: is that the contemporaneous record makes it impossible to treat
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Speaker 1: her version as clean, complete, or adequate. She admitted that
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Speaker 1: she scheduled massages for Epstein almost daily. That alone should
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Speaker 1: have triggered the kind of questioning that tears through polite
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Speaker 1: phrasing and gets to the ugly heart of the matter.
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Speaker 1: And Epstein's world massage was not just a luxury appointment.
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Speaker 1: It was the recurring cover term survivors have described for abuse, recruitment, exploitation,
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Speaker 1: and access. So when Groff presents massage scheduling as a
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Speaker 1: mundane administrative duty, she's not merely describing a calendar entry.
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Speaker 1: She's sanitizing the mechanism. She's taking the word that sits
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Speaker 1: at the center of Epstein's abuse pipeline and dressing it
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Speaker 1: up as a spa routine. And that's why survivors recoil.
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Speaker 1: That's why the public should recoil. Groff's own transcript records
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Speaker 1: her saying that almost daily she made massage appointments and
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Speaker 1: that those calls could be as brief as asking whether
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Speaker 1: someone was available at a certain time. Yo, there is
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Speaker 1: a grotesque neatness to the defense that she was just scheduling.
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Speaker 1: Bureaucracies are built on that lie. Nobody's ever responsible for
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Speaker 1: the whole machine because everyone claims they only touched one lever.
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Speaker 1: One person scheduled the appointment. Another opened the door. Another
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Speaker 1: drove the car. Another booked the room. Another wired the money.
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Speaker 1: Another filed the form. Another looked away. And by the
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Speaker 1: time the victim's standing in the wreckage, every adult in
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Speaker 1: the chain insists they were too small to matter. But
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Speaker 1: logistics are not neutral when logistics repeatedly serve abuse. A
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Speaker 1: calendar can be a weapon. A phone call can be
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Speaker 1: a weapon. A hotel reservation can be a weapon. Now,
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Speaker 1: Groff's defenders can say she was not in the massage room,
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Speaker 1: and that may be true. But the Epstein case has
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Speaker 1: never been only about who was in the room. It's
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Speaker 1: about who built the path to the room, who maintained
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Speaker 1: the path, who normalized the path, who kept the names flowing,
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Speaker 1: who kept the flights moving, who kept the apartments available,
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Speaker 1: and who helped make the abnormal feel routine. Epstein didn't
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Speaker 1: operate by magic. He operated through systems. He operated through staffs.
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Speaker 1: He operated through professionalized convenience. He operated through people who
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Speaker 1: made the sordid look scheduled. That's why the I never
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Speaker 1: saw anything defense is so inadequate. A person can avoid
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Speaker 1: seeing the final act while still helping assemble the stage.
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Speaker 1: A person can claim ignorance of the crime while still
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Speaker 1: making the crime easier to commit. A person can be
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Speaker 1: legally insulated and morally exposed at the same time. Groff's
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Speaker 1: testimony leaned heavily on the idea that Epstein kept her
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Speaker 1: outside of his secret life, but that phrase collapses under
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Speaker 1: the weight of what her job actually was. She wasn't
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Speaker 1: outside the calendar. She wasn't outside the calls. She wasn't
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Speaker 1: outside the travel arrangements. She wasn't outside the massage scheduling.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't outside the contact lists. She was not outside
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Speaker 1: the daily administrative bloodstream. She may not have been inside
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Speaker 1: every room, but she was plainly inside the operations logistics.
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Speaker 1: Epstein didn't need every employee to know everything. He needed
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Speaker 1: enough people to do enough tasks without asking enough questions.
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Speaker 1: Groff's testimony, at its most charitable, describes exactly that kind
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Speaker 1: of functional blindness. And what did Congress do with that?
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Speaker 1: It treated the moment like another transcript to be released,
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Speaker 1: another file to be posted, another box to be checked.
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Speaker 1: Congress had a witness who worked for Epstein for 18
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Speaker 1: years and had a direct line into his scheduling and
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Speaker 1: communications universe. Congress had survivors publicly saying the testimony did
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Speaker 1: not match their experience. Congress had documentary trails, email references,
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Speaker 1: massage lists, travel questions, housing questions, and visa-related questions. And
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Speaker 1: yet the process still felt contained, managed, polite, and bloodless.
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Speaker 1: That's not accountability. A congressional interview is not justice simply
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Speaker 1: because a court reporter is in the room. If the
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Speaker 1: witness leaves with her narrative largely intact and survivors leave
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Speaker 1: feeling gaslit again, the process has failed. And look, one
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Speaker 1: of the most insulting parts is that Groff wanted the
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Speaker 1: moral benefits of remorse without the burden of accountability. She
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Speaker 1: said Epstein was a monster. She said she was fooled.
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Speaker 1: She said she now believes the victims. She said she
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Speaker 1: would have acted differently had she had known. But that
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Speaker 1: formulation keeps her safely positioned as someone acted upon, not
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Speaker 1: someone who acted. It turns her into another casualty of
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Speaker 1: Epstein's manipulation, rather than a participant in the environment that
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Speaker 1: allowed him to continue. That doesn't mean she must be
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Speaker 1: painted as Epstein or Maxwell. It means she does not
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Speaker 1: get to borrow the language of victimhood to avoid the
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Speaker 1: harder language of responsibility. Yell regret is not accountability. Sympathy
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Speaker 1: for survivors is not accountability. Calling Epstein evil is not accountability.
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Speaker 1: And I think that the survivor's anger is is especially
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Speaker 1: justified because many of them have spent years watching adults
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Speaker 1: around Epstein reinvent themselves after the fact. The same people
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Speaker 1: who once treated him as powerful, glamorous, brilliant, useful, generous, connected,
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Speaker 1: or untouchable, now describe him as a master deceiver who
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Speaker 1: fooled them all. Funny how that works. When Epstein was
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Speaker 1: alive and useful, he was a gateway to money, status, planes, universities, politicians, businessmen, royalty, scientists,
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Speaker 1: and social prestige. When the walls closed in, he became
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Speaker 1: a shadowy manipulator who somehow hid everything from everyone. That
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Speaker 1: transformation is too convenient. It asks survivors to accept that
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Speaker 1: the man who made their lives hell also maintained an
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Speaker 1: invisible force field around every adult who could have intervened.
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Speaker 1: Survivors are tired of that story because it always ends
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Speaker 1: in the same place. The dead predator carries all the blame,
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Speaker 1: the living enablers carry none of the consequence, and the
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Speaker 1: record gets buried in under carefully rehearsed helplessness. Now, Groff's
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Speaker 1: poor recollection theme was another glaring problem. Of course, some
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Speaker 1: memories fade after 20 years. Nobody reasonable expects a witness
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Speaker 1: to recall every appointment, every call, every name, every document,
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Speaker 1: or every errand. But when the pattern of forgotten details
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Speaker 1: consistently protects the witness from sharper accountability, skepticism is not
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Speaker 1: only fair, it's required. The transcript shows repeated moments where
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Speaker 1: questions about lists, descriptors, travel, housing, visas, or specific arrangements
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Speaker 1: were were met with uncertainty, lack of recall, or narrowed explanations.
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Speaker 1: That does not automatically prove intentional deception, but it does
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Speaker 1: prove why survivors are right to demand more than I
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Speaker 1: don't know as the final public answer. Memory failure cannot
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Speaker 1: become the official solvent used to dissolve responsibility. Congress even
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Speaker 1: warned her at the start That knowingly false statements, fake
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Speaker 1: memory lapses, half-truths, or omissions necessary to make an answer
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Speaker 1: truthful could carry criminal consequence. The visa and travel material
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Speaker 1: is particularly disturbing because it points to the wider machinery
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Speaker 1: around Epstein. Not just the massage calendar. When questions turned
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Speaker 1: to tickets, hotels, apartments, visas, and foreign women entering the
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Speaker 1: United States, Groff repeatedly framed a role as narrow and directive-based.
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Speaker 1: She was asked to buy a ticket. She was asked
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Speaker 1: to check a hotel. She was asked whether something was refundable.
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Speaker 1: She didn't know who paid. She didn't know the purpose.
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Speaker 1: She had no idea whether the women met Epstein. She
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Speaker 1: did not know whether they gave massages. Look, that kind
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Speaker 1: of testimony might be legally cautious, but it's morally nauseating.
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Speaker 1: Because the question is not whether she personally designed the
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Speaker 1: entire pipeline. The question is how many pieces of the
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Speaker 1: pipeline passed across her desk, while she chose not to
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Speaker 1: understand the shape of the thing being built. In one exchange,
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Speaker 1: Groff acknowledged facilitating tickets and hotel arrangements connected to a
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Speaker 1: visa issue, while saying she did not know the purpose
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Speaker 1: of the woman's travel or who paid. The Howes in
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Speaker 1: question make the same point. Epstein's apartments were not abstract
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Speaker 1: assets floating in the sky. They were physical spaces controlled
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Speaker 1: by a predator that used by a network connected to
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Speaker 1: a world where young women and girls were moved, lodged, introduced, summoned,
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Speaker 1: and exploited. When Groff was asked about arranging housing at
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Speaker 1: 301 East 66th Street, her answers again retreated into possibility, direction, uncertainty,
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Speaker 1: and lack of specificity. Maybe she arranged apartments for men
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Speaker 1: and women. Maybe a person was placed there. Maybe she
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Speaker 1: did not know what happened after that. This is the
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Speaker 1: language of administrative insulation. It's the language of a person
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Speaker 1: who wants credit for being too peripheral to know and
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Speaker 1: too busy to notice. But the survivors are not obligated
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Speaker 1: to accept that. The public is not obligated to accept that.
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Speaker 1: Congress should not have accepted that as the end of
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Speaker 1: the road. And look, there is something profoundly obscene about
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Speaker 1: the way the Epstein operation keeps producing helpers who insist
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Speaker 1: they were also somehow helpless. Everyone was intimidated. Everybody was manipulated.
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Speaker 1: Everybody was compartmentalized. Everybody was just following instructions. Everybody was
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Speaker 1: deceived by the same dead man. Everybody had bad memory.
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Speaker 1: Everybody now supports the survivors. Everybody now wishes that they
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Speaker 1: had known. But Epstein did not run on one person's
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Speaker 1: evil alone. He ran on a culture of permission. He
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Speaker 1: ran on useful blindness. He ran on the willingness of
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Speaker 1: adults to accept obscene routines because the paycheck cleared, the
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Speaker 1: boss was powerful, the names were impressive, and the consequences
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Speaker 1: never arrived. That's the world Groff worked in. That's the
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Speaker 1: world she helped keep organized. That's the world she now
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Speaker 1: wants to describe as if it happened around her rather
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Speaker 1: than through her desk. Groff's testimony should outrage people, not
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Speaker 1: because it's the worst thing in the Epstein case, but
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Speaker 1: because it's so typical of of the Epstein case. It's
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Speaker 1: another episode in the long-running pageant of partial truth. It
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Speaker 1: gives enough detail to sound cooperative, enough emotion to sound wounded,
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Speaker 1: enough condemnation of Epstein to sound righteous, and enough memory
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Speaker 1: failure to avoid the deepest accountability. That formula has protected
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Speaker 1: Epstein's orbit for years. It lets witnesses appear forthcoming while
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Speaker 1: preserving the central mystery. It lets Congress claim progress while
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Speaker 1: survivors hear the same evasions in new packaging. It lets
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Speaker 1: the public receive another transcript instead of a reckoning. And
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Speaker 1: that's why Groff's testimony cannot be allowed to sit there
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Speaker 1: as some final word. It's not the final word. It's
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Speaker 1: a challenge to Congress to prove that the process has teeth.
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Speaker 1: And look, the ugliest truth is that survivors once again
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Speaker 1: had to do the moral work that the institutions refused
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Speaker 1: to do. They had to call out the contradictions. They
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Speaker 1: had to say the testimony did not match their experience.
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Speaker 1: They had to remind the country that massage was not
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Speaker 1: harmless language in Epstein's universe. They had to drag the
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Speaker 1: conversation back from Groff's discomfort to Epstein's victims. They had
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Speaker 1: to insist that claims of ignorance are not answers. They
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Speaker 1: had to demand that proximity to power not be converted
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Speaker 1: into innocence. That has been the survivor experience from the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Telling the truth while adults with authority manage the damage.
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Speaker 1: Congress should be amplifying that truth, not cushioning the people
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Speaker 1: who help keep Epstein's world functional. The survivors are not
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Speaker 1: being unreasonable. They're refusing to be gaslit one more time.
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Speaker 1: Leslie Groff had a chance to do something bigger than
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Speaker 1: protect herself. She had a chance to fully open the machinery.
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Speaker 1: She had a chance to say what the culture was,
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Speaker 1: how the routines worked, who called, who visited, who traveled,
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Speaker 1: who arranged, who paid, who asked questions, who did not.
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Speaker 1: and how a criminal enterprise hid behind elite normalcy. Instead,
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Speaker 1: she offered a tightly controlled portrait of distance from the
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Speaker 1: very world she helped organize. And I think that's why
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Speaker 1: the survivor's anger is justified, and that's why the process
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Speaker 1: deserves contempt. Because once again, Epstein is dead, Maxwell is
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Speaker 1: in prison, survivors are still carrying the weight, and the
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Speaker 1: supporting cast keeps walking into official rooms with lawyers' statements,
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Speaker 1: memory gaps, and rehearse sorrow. Enough. If Congress cannot turn
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Speaker 1: that into real accountability, then it's not exposing the Epstein cover-up. Instead,
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Speaker 1: it's becoming another chapter of it. All of the information
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Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
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Speaker 1: description box. What's up everyone and welcome to another episode
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Speaker 1: of the Epstein Chronicles. So according to Leslie Groff and
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Speaker 1: the transcript that was just released, the girls that she
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Speaker 1: was calling to schedule for massages, well... They didn't sound
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Speaker 1: like they were underage. I mean, come on. How could
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Speaker 1: I know that they're underage? I mean, the fact that
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Speaker 1: they're having recitals at school, or that they can't show
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Speaker 1: up because they have school, that might have clued you in,
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Speaker 1: but sure, let's go with you had no idea. Look, folks,
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Speaker 1: I'm not buying into it, because remember, I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: this from the perspective of it being a RICO case,
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Speaker 1: like it should be. So all these people are a
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Speaker 1: part of the conspiracy. Every single one of them had
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Speaker 1: a job to do that furthered the conspiracy, right? Leslie Groff,
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Speaker 1: she was setting schedules, she was booking people, she was
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Speaker 1: having girls travel across state lines, and they were getting abused.
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Speaker 1: So what does that make her? In my opinion, it
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Speaker 1: makes her a co-conspirator. Now, of course, she's not at
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Speaker 1: the level of somebody like Elaine Maxwell. who was actually
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Speaker 1: engaging in the abuse herself. But enabling this shit, and
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Speaker 1: being part of it logistically, is almost as bad. And
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Speaker 1: in the eyes of the law, you're just as culpable.
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Speaker 1: And that's why they use Rico so often. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you see them use Rico all the time. But now,
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Speaker 1: when they should be using it, when they should have
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Speaker 1: used it, they avoided it. So people like Sarah Kellen Vickers,
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Speaker 1: people like Leslie Gross, people like Adriana Ross, Larry Vesosky,
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Speaker 1: and the rest of them, they're not in the crosshairs.
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Speaker 1: Because without Epstein, everything went away, right? The whole entire case,
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Speaker 1: the whole entire trial, and any hope of us getting
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Speaker 1: any kind of transparency went right out the window when
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Speaker 1: Epstein died in the custody of the United States government.
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Speaker 1: And boy, that sure was convenient for them, wasn't it?
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Speaker 1: Today's article was published by The Independent And the headline,
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Speaker 1: Epstein's longtime assistant tells oversight committee nobody ever sounded like
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Speaker 1: they were underage in a closed-door interview. This article was
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Speaker 1: authored by Alex Woodward. A former assistant to Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: booked appointments for her employer almost daily, but denied ever
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Speaker 1: scheduling appointments with people she believed were underage, according to
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Speaker 1: a transcript of her interview with members of Congress investigating
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Speaker 1: the late sex offender. Like, what kind of naive person
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Speaker 1: do you have to be to believe that? Now, of course,
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Speaker 1: in the eyes of the law, it's hard to prove.
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Speaker 1: If you don't charge it with RICO, forget it. But
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Speaker 1: we're not talking about the eyes of the law. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about us standing around the water cooler called the internet. So,
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Speaker 1: of course, we're not constrained by the letter of the law.
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Speaker 1: And when something smells like shit, usually it's a big
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Speaker 1: pile of shit. Leslie Groff, Epstein's former executive assistant, appeared voluntarily,
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Speaker 1: voluntarily again. Why is it voluntarily? Why not subpoenaed? Why
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Speaker 1: not brought in and compelled? I'll tell you why. Because
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Speaker 1: James Comer and his band of morons have no desire
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Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of it. Just a band-aid,
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Speaker 1: just another way to kick it down the road. Groff
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Speaker 1: appeared voluntarily for a closed-door interview with the House Oversight
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Speaker 1: Committee to dispel the false notions that she knowingly enabled
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Speaker 1: or conspired with him to commit his evil acts. Does
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Speaker 1: it matter if you know that you're helping? It doesn't.
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Speaker 1: So ignorance of the law is not a defense of it.
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Speaker 1: You knew something was wrong. You knew that this guy
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Speaker 1: was already convicted as somebody who hurt children or at
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Speaker 1: least one child. And that should be enough for you.
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Speaker 1: That should have been your tell. That should have been
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Speaker 1: the time when you went for the exit. But you
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Speaker 1: didn't do that, did you? You stuck around. You got rich.
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Speaker 1: And you continue to live high on the hog on
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's dime. Throughout her eight-hour interview on June 9th,
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Speaker 1: an often incredulous panel questioned how Groff, who worked for
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Speaker 1: Epstein for 18 years, was unaware of his abuse. Look,
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Speaker 1: it's logical to ask that question. How didn't you know
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Speaker 1: anything about the abuse? You were considered Jeffrey Epstein's brain.
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Speaker 1: You never heard any scuttlebutt? Nobody was like, hey, you
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Speaker 1: know what? This shit is weird. I have no idea
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Speaker 1: what's going on, but this shit is weird. Nobody said that.
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Speaker 1: I have a very hard time believing it. And again,
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Speaker 1: we're in that gray area. How do we prove that?
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Speaker 1: You can. But I think it's fair to take the leap.
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Speaker 1: Considering everything that we know, and considering how this conspiracy operated,
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Speaker 1: and how it conducted itself, you want us to believe
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Speaker 1: that after 18 years working in the employee... of Mr. Epstein,
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Speaker 1: that not on one occasion did you believe that any
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Speaker 1: of your contacts in setting up these appointments with Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein were either a minor or an underage person, correct?
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Speaker 1: Asked Democratic Representative Raja Krishnamoorthy. That is correct, Groff replied. Well, look,
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Speaker 1: if it was a woman being trafficked, underage or not,
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Speaker 1: she's part of it. If she made the phone call,
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Speaker 1: if she booked the travel arrangements, if she was involved
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Speaker 1: in any way, She is now part of the conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think I'm breaking any news here when
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Speaker 1: I tell you that Leslie Groff was involved every step
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Speaker 1: of the way. Okay, Krishnamoorthy responded. This strains credibility, Ms. Groff.
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Speaker 1: An attorney for the committee also asked Groff whether a
22:22
Speaker 1: 14-year-old child sounds the same as a person in their
22:26
Speaker 1: 20s or 30s or 40s. It's possible. I don't know.
22:29
Speaker 1: I was not evaluating voices, Groff replied. It nobody ever
22:35
Speaker 1: sounded like they were underage well look officer she didn't
22:39
Speaker 1: look like she was 15 what are we even doing
22:42
Speaker 1: here is that really a valid excuse they didn't sound
22:45
Speaker 1: underage i mean i don't know if i would have
22:51
Speaker 1: been able to contain myself if i was on that
22:53
Speaker 1: committee i would have popped off and fuck maybe i
22:57
Speaker 1: should run for office with the sole purpose of popping
23:01
Speaker 1: off and calling all these people in Congress the psychopaths
23:04
Speaker 1: that they are. I bet you I would be beloved.
23:08
Speaker 1: Show up there and just dance to my own tune,
23:11
Speaker 1: do whatever I want, vote however I want, whatever is
23:14
Speaker 1: best for the people in Nevada. Imagine having a representative
23:17
Speaker 1: that does that. Well, unfortunately, not too many of those
23:22
Speaker 1: in Congress or the Senate right now. Groff's interview, which
23:28
Speaker 1: was not under oath, oh well, not under oath, marks
23:33
Speaker 1: the first time that she has faced questions about her
23:35
Speaker 1: connections to Epstein since she initially spoke to the FBI
23:38
Speaker 1: in 2021, two years after Epstein died in prison. She
23:42
Speaker 1: was initially identified as a potential co-conspirator in the case
23:46
Speaker 1: against Epstein, but was never charged. Yeah, because Philippe and
23:51
Speaker 1: Mukasey came in and said no. Do you really think
23:55
Speaker 1: that they didn't have the goods on all these people?
23:57
Speaker 1: They did. We've seen the evidence. And now it's coming
24:02
Speaker 1: out that the OIG report missed a whole bunch of stuff, right? So,
24:07
Speaker 1: like I told you then, it's a whitewash. And I'm
24:11
Speaker 1: even more sure of it now. This whole entire thing
24:14
Speaker 1: has been a cover-up. And I know everybody wants to
24:18
Speaker 1: just pin it on the Trump administration. And look, they're
24:21
Speaker 1: conducting that act of cover-up right now as we speak.
24:25
Speaker 1: but this was happening before them. I want everybody held accountable,
24:29
Speaker 1: going all the way back to the first Clinton administration. Now,
24:32
Speaker 1: is that feasible? Is that going to happen? Probably not.
24:36
Speaker 1: But that's what I want. It's important for the committee
24:40
Speaker 1: to understand that to my knowledge, I never met any
24:42
Speaker 1: of these masseuses. She said in her opening remarks, none
24:45
Speaker 1: of these women or anyone else ever told me that
24:48
Speaker 1: they were minors or that they were sexually abused. Nothing
24:51
Speaker 1: I heard or saw led me to believe otherwise. Well,
24:54
Speaker 1: according to one girl, Groff was right outside the office
24:58
Speaker 1: while she was being assaulted. She didn't hear anything. I mean,
25:02
Speaker 1: she can say that, right? And again, how do you
25:05
Speaker 1: prove it? You can't. So it's a very valid and
25:08
Speaker 1: viable defense, even if it's a bunch of fuckery. But
25:13
Speaker 1: that's very hard to prove. So that's why I always
25:15
Speaker 1: tell you we should be going after them with paperwork.
25:19
Speaker 1: Money trail, baby. You want to nail these sons of bitches?
25:21
Speaker 1: That's how you do it. And the people that are
25:25
Speaker 1: really serious about justice, about accountability, that's what they're talking about.
25:30
Speaker 1: People that are out here chasing their tails with the
25:32
Speaker 1: salacious bullshit, they're part of the PSYOP. Groff worked for
25:37
Speaker 1: Epstein from 2001 to July 2019 when the wealthy and
25:42
Speaker 1: well-connected financier, pedophile, was arrested on federal sex trafficking charges.
25:48
Speaker 1: She has never been charged with a crime and has
25:50
Speaker 1: denied any wrongdoing in connection with the pedophile. Her lawyer's
25:54
Speaker 1: have also maintained that she was not aware of his crimes.
25:58
Speaker 1: Massages were a normal part of his day, she told lawmakers.
26:02
Speaker 1: I didn't know their ages at all. It was a
26:04
Speaker 1: normal part of the day, she said. To me, it
26:07
Speaker 1: was like a luxury. I couldn't believe that somebody would
26:10
Speaker 1: pay for, you know, do that for, you know, every day.
26:13
Speaker 1: That was a luxury you did once a year. Oh, please,
26:16
Speaker 1: once a year? I would say that people that are
26:20
Speaker 1: in positions where they do manual labor, I would say
26:24
Speaker 1: once a month. If the funds are right and people
26:27
Speaker 1: are able to afford it, at least once a month.
26:31
Speaker 1: Massages are very good for recovery, but that wasn't what
26:34
Speaker 1: Epstein was up to. It wasn't about a massage, you know,
26:38
Speaker 1: like you go and get at insert place here. You
26:41
Speaker 1: know what kind of massage he was looking for? And
26:43
Speaker 1: he was bringing in little girls, girls that weren't even
26:46
Speaker 1: massage therapists. But Leslie Groff, she didn't know that, right?
26:52
Speaker 1: Epstein would call her with literally dozens of tasks every morning,
26:55
Speaker 1: she told the panel. I had no free time. I
26:58
Speaker 1: went from task to task. I had two phones on
27:00
Speaker 1: my desk ringing constantly, she said. Almost daily, I made
27:03
Speaker 1: massage appointments for Mr. Epstein. He provided me the name
27:07
Speaker 1: and telephone of a masseuse, and I called her. These
27:10
Speaker 1: calls lasted literally a few seconds. Yeah? How about the
27:14
Speaker 1: travel arrangements? How did that work out? Sometimes masseuses call
27:20
Speaker 1: the office... and asked if Epstein wanted a massage. And
27:24
Speaker 1: Epstein often directed Groff to arrange massages for his guests,
27:28
Speaker 1: she said. Well, we all know what the massages were
27:31
Speaker 1: for Epstein. So do you really think they weren't that
27:34
Speaker 1: for his guests? Everybody was coming to Epstein's house for
27:37
Speaker 1: a nice little massage? Come on, man. Why would these
27:43
Speaker 1: rich people go to Jeffrey Epstein's house to get a massage?
27:47
Speaker 1: They got more money than God. They can have any
27:49
Speaker 1: massage therapist come to them. They can go to any
27:52
Speaker 1: facility in the world. But they're going to Jeffrey Epstein's
27:55
Speaker 1: to sit around in their tighty-whities so they can get
27:58
Speaker 1: a regular massage? Yeah, okay, sure, I buy that. To me,
28:03
Speaker 1: the few minutes it took to arrange massages for Mr.
28:06
Speaker 1: Epstein were just part of his routine, like going to
28:08
Speaker 1: the gym was for some people, she said. Epstein lied
28:12
Speaker 1: to her after his arrest in 2008 and insisted that
28:15
Speaker 1: he had been blackmailed and set up, she told the panel. Oh, well,
28:18
Speaker 1: he told you that, right? No further investigations needed. That year,
28:23
Speaker 1: Epstein signed a controversial plea agreement admitting to soliciting a
28:27
Speaker 1: minor for prostitution, an arrangement criticized as a sweetheart deal
28:31
Speaker 1: that helped him evade more serious federal charges, and a
28:34
Speaker 1: longer prison sentence. Or how about a prison sentence at all?
28:39
Speaker 1: Homeboy was in the stockade, wasn't in prison. He angrily
28:45
Speaker 1: said that the allegations against him were false, and that
28:48
Speaker 1: he had no idea that the women he had contact
28:50
Speaker 1: with was a minor. Groff said, It was a shakedown,
28:53
Speaker 1: he claimed, for money. In my mind, that was the
28:56
Speaker 1: reason that he was treated so leniently by law enforcement
28:59
Speaker 1: for such a serious crime. It was a shakedown. He
29:02
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been punished at all. Okay? God, these people
29:06
Speaker 1: think you're stupid. And Leslie Groff, she definitely thinks you're stupid.
29:13
Speaker 1: Epstein convinced her to continue working for him, she said.
29:15
Speaker 1: I actually believed he had been set up. I believed
29:19
Speaker 1: that he could be kind and generous and caring because
29:21
Speaker 1: of the way he often treated me and others. I
29:24
Speaker 1: know now that this kindness was a facade and just
29:27
Speaker 1: part of his manipulation, she told the committee. Yeah, how
29:30
Speaker 1: about that $ 250, 000 check he cut you? What was that for?
29:35
Speaker 1: Had nothing to do with your silence, right? Right? In
29:39
Speaker 1: the years after his 2019 arrest, she struggled to sleep
29:42
Speaker 1: and eat, faced harassment and death threats, and has been
29:45
Speaker 1: shunned by friends, she said. Well, nobody should harass her,
29:48
Speaker 1: and certainly nobody should be firing off death threats. What
29:53
Speaker 1: should happen is she should be investigated as a co-conspirator.
29:56
Speaker 1: That's what should happen. Her heart breaks for survivors of
30:00
Speaker 1: his abuse, she told the panel. The committee's month-long Epstein investigation...
30:21
Speaker 1: is running parallel to federal and state probes into the
30:24
Speaker 1: pedophile and has alleged ties to the powerful network that
30:27
Speaker 1: abuse young women and girls. The Department of Justice, under
30:31
Speaker 1: President Donald Trump, who is eager to move on from
30:34
Speaker 1: the years of scrutiny into Epstein and his associate, Ghislaine Maxwell,
30:39
Speaker 1: has released millions of documents in the government's possession, but
30:42
Speaker 1: has not prosecuted others in Epstein's orbit. Well, they don't
30:46
Speaker 1: want to open the door. They feel like if they
30:48
Speaker 1: prosecute one, they'll have to prosecute all. And then that means, what, five,
30:53
Speaker 1: six people from Trump's administration might be in the crosshairs?
30:57
Speaker 1: Not exactly what the administration's looking for. Earlier this month,
31:02
Speaker 1: the committee referred two men to the Justice Department for
31:04
Speaker 1: criminal prosecution after a survivor's sexual assault allegations, marking the
31:09
Speaker 1: first such move after a series of interviews and congressional hearings.
31:14
Speaker 1: Democrats on the committee have repeatedly urged testimony from the president,
31:18
Speaker 1: though Trump has not been accused of criminal wrongdoing. and
31:22
Speaker 1: one's appearance in the Epstein files does not suggest otherwise.
31:26
Speaker 1: Trump has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing in connection with Epstein
31:30
Speaker 1: and insists he cut ties with Epstein years before the
31:33
Speaker 1: wealthy pedophile was under investigation. Well, cool. Why are you
31:37
Speaker 1: covering it up now? What motivated you to engage in
31:43
Speaker 1: this cover-up? That's the real question. The committee is also
31:47
Speaker 1: expected to hear testimony from Alan Dershowitz, adding to a
31:50
Speaker 1: list of high-profile figures who have sat for interviews, including
31:54
Speaker 1: Bill Gates, Bill, and Hillary Clinton, and Trump's Commerce Secretary,
31:58
Speaker 1: Howard Lutnick. Following the committee's interview with former Attorney General
32:03
Speaker 1: Pam Bondi, who was fired by Trump earlier this year,
32:06
Speaker 1: her predecessor, Todd Blanche, could be next in line for
32:09
Speaker 1: a closed-door session. Oh, closed-door session, everything private. You have
32:13
Speaker 1: no right to see it or hear it. Just listen
32:16
Speaker 1: to what we tell you. Yo, I'm tired of that shit.
32:20
Speaker 1: All of this needs to be transparent and public. I
32:23
Speaker 1: don't know if James Comer knows this or not, but
32:26
Speaker 1: we don't trust him or the committee. So just telling
32:29
Speaker 1: us to trust you is not going to work. Because
32:31
Speaker 1: trusting you guys is what got us into this mess
32:33
Speaker 1: in the first place. So no, we don't trust you.
32:37
Speaker 1: And no, we don't trust the process. So no more
32:41
Speaker 1: of these closed door sessions. No more voluntary interviews. And
32:46
Speaker 1: no more letting people skate by. with barely scratching the surface.
32:50
Speaker 1: And when it comes to Leslie Groff, I think that
32:52
Speaker 1: it's time that we get her under oath and not
32:56
Speaker 1: with one of these voluntary depositions. And I think that
32:59
Speaker 1: goes for all of Jeffrey Epstein's core four. Every single
33:03
Speaker 1: person who was protected by the NPA should be brought
33:07
Speaker 1: in under subpoena, not voluntarily, and forced to answer questions.
33:12
Speaker 1: And questions that are backed up by legal jeopardy. I
33:16
Speaker 1: know they say if you lie to Congress that, you know,
33:18
Speaker 1: you can go to jail, prison, whatever. Has anyone ever
33:20
Speaker 1: went to prison for that? Maybe a couple of people,
33:23
Speaker 1: politically motivated? You think anyone's going to go to prison here?
33:28
Speaker 1: Highly doubt it. Now, if you have a subpoena and
33:31
Speaker 1: you're compelling people to give this testimony and they lie,
33:34
Speaker 1: different story, right? A lot more jeopardy for the person
33:37
Speaker 1: giving the testimony. And you would think with something like this,
33:41
Speaker 1: that's what we would want. But unfortunately, this committee... was
33:44
Speaker 1: never established to get to the truth. And that's why
33:47
Speaker 1: we have to stay on top of them and hold
33:49
Speaker 1: them accountable. And that's exactly what we're going to keep doing.
33:53
Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
33:56
Speaker 1: All the information that goes with this episode can be
33:58
Speaker 1: found in the description box. Hello, everyone, and welcome to
34:02
Speaker 1: The Jeffrey Epstein Show. I'm your host, Bobby Capucci, and
34:06
Speaker 1: this is a morning update. Before we jump into our
34:10
Speaker 1: article today about Leslie Groff, I'd just like to let
34:13
Speaker 1: you know that Dr. Stephen DeLay, who is a friend
34:17
Speaker 1: to the program, a very, very, very intelligent man, and
34:22
Speaker 1: an incredible philosopher, has a new book out. And the
34:27
Speaker 1: name of the book is Before God, Exercises in Subjectivity.
34:32
Speaker 1: And Dr. DeLay and I have been speaking in emails,
34:35
Speaker 1: and he graciously offered to send me a copy of
34:37
Speaker 1: the book. So I am pumped about receiving it. When
34:41
Speaker 1: it comes, I'm going to dive into it, devour it.
34:44
Speaker 1: And afterwards, I'm going to see if Dr. DeLay has
34:47
Speaker 1: some time in his schedule to pop back onto the
34:50
Speaker 1: podcast and speak with us once again. Because for my money, Dr.
34:56
Speaker 1: Stephen DeLay was one of the most fascinating hours we
34:58
Speaker 1: have ever spent here on the podcast. And what he
35:02
Speaker 1: added to the catalog was incredible. So if you're looking
35:07
Speaker 1: for some real brain work and you really want to
35:10
Speaker 1: work out that old brain of yours, I highly suggest
35:13
Speaker 1: you pick up the book, Before God, Exercises and Subjectivity
35:17
Speaker 1: by Dr. Stephen DeLay. And here's a little blurb from
35:21
Speaker 1: Google Books about what you can expect within the pages.
35:27
Speaker 1: Since Heidegger, it has become something of an unquestioned presupposition
35:31
Speaker 1: to analyze the structure and essence of selfhood from the
35:34
Speaker 1: perspective of being in the world. However, in this original work, Dr.
35:39
Speaker 1: Stephen DeLay, using a wide breadth of philosophical sources, articulates
35:44
Speaker 1: a view of selfhood which emphasizes humanity's experience before God.
35:50
Speaker 1: The work presents an original view of the relationship between
35:53
Speaker 1: philosophy and theology, namely that there is no distinction between
35:57
Speaker 1: the two. And I don't know about you folks, but
36:00
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff right there gets your boy fired up.
36:04
Speaker 1: I love reading stuff like that, especially when I know
36:08
Speaker 1: that the source means business. And if anything, Dr. DeLay
36:12
Speaker 1: is not only credible, but the man knows what he's
36:15
Speaker 1: talking about. So if you're interested in this sort of thing,
36:18
Speaker 1: you're interested in philosophy, I seriously suggest you grab this book. Now,
36:25
Speaker 1: I think the e-book is coming out soon as well.
36:27
Speaker 1: I know that the hard copy is a little pricey,
36:29
Speaker 1: but either way, make sure if you're looking for something
36:32
Speaker 1: to read and you're looking for a real workout of
36:36
Speaker 1: the brain, because remember, it's a muscle. It needs to
36:39
Speaker 1: be worked out as well. I really suggest you take
36:43
Speaker 1: a look and you grab this book. So I'm going
36:45
Speaker 1: to try and get Dr. DeLay back on. After I
36:49
Speaker 1: read the book, I want to read it first before
36:52
Speaker 1: I ask questions about it, obviously. And yeah, so I'm
36:56
Speaker 1: going to talk with Dr. DeLay, try and get it
36:58
Speaker 1: set up. After I read the book, I'll have him
37:00
Speaker 1: come on and then we'll be able to speak with
37:03
Speaker 1: him about it. And also, If you decide to pick
37:07
Speaker 1: the book up and you have some questions, make sure
37:09
Speaker 1: you shoot me some emails and I will read those
37:12
Speaker 1: emails on air with Dr. DeLay if and when we
37:16
Speaker 1: can get him to come back on. So that's something
37:19
Speaker 1: that we can be looking forward to going forward. And also,
37:22
Speaker 1: if you're looking to read something and you want to
37:24
Speaker 1: get that brain worked out and you're bored, you're still quarantined,
37:27
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, this is the perfect time to
37:30
Speaker 1: pick up the book, Before God Exercises in Subjectivity. All right,
37:36
Speaker 1: so on to our article for the day, the morning,
37:40
Speaker 1: I should say. Today, we're going to talk about one
37:43
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein's core four who feels like she is
37:48
Speaker 1: being besmirched. Oh, well, why is everybody talking about me
37:52
Speaker 1: in the news? I'm speaking about Leslie Groff. There's an
37:57
Speaker 1: article out in the New Canaan Advertiser And the headline is,
38:02
Speaker 1: Assistant to Jeffrey Epstein says she was falsely besmirched. Really?
38:08
Speaker 1: Falsely besmirched, huh? You've had all these years to come forward,
38:12
Speaker 1: provide information, tell people what you know about Jeffrey Epstein,
38:16
Speaker 1: considering you were so close, considering he called you his brain.
38:24
Speaker 1: And now you have the audacity to act like you're
38:26
Speaker 1: being besmirched? Give me a break. The author of this
38:32
Speaker 1: article is Robert Marchant. Recently filed court papers say that
38:37
Speaker 1: a new Canaan woman who worked for Jeffrey Epstein when
38:40
Speaker 1: he was allegedly sexually abusing minors has been unfairly tarnished
38:44
Speaker 1: by litigation against her and is innocent of wrongdoing. You
38:48
Speaker 1: notice she doesn't say that she's being defamed or there's
38:52
Speaker 1: been libel spoken about her in the news. None of that, right? No,
38:57
Speaker 1: she's going after the litigations. because they know that that's
39:00
Speaker 1: their best bet. Go into the courtroom, and, well, the
39:03
Speaker 1: courts have been so favorable with Jeffrey Epstein and his friends,
39:06
Speaker 1: why not one-mo again? That's how Leslie Groff is thinking.
39:10
Speaker 1: She doesn't think that she's going to be in trouble
39:12
Speaker 1: for this. Well, she was just an assistant. She had
39:14
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. Meanwhile, we know that's not
39:16
Speaker 1: the case. Meanwhile, we know that Epstein bought her a Benzito. Meanwhile,
39:20
Speaker 1: we know that Epstein said he couldn't function without her. Meanwhile,
39:23
Speaker 1: we know that she's been in Epstein's atmosphere for decades.
39:28
Speaker 1: Leslie Groff, you are... one of the core four, and
39:32
Speaker 1: nobody believes you. Leslie Groff was cited in a lawsuit
39:37
Speaker 1: last year by a survivor of Epstein, a longtime sexual predator.
39:42
Speaker 1: Jennifer Oroz, a teenager when she was sexually assaulted at
39:46
Speaker 1: Epstein's Manhattan home, sued his estate in New York State
39:49
Speaker 1: Supreme Court last year. Well, yeah. For Leslie Groff to
39:54
Speaker 1: act like she had nothing to do with it, to
39:56
Speaker 1: act like she was never there, she was never around,
39:59
Speaker 1: she was never involved, she didn't know anything, we're all crazy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
40:05
Speaker 1: It's ludicrous. It's an embarrassment. And anybody who is buying
40:10
Speaker 1: this BS... is naive at best. Leslie Groff and Jeffrey
40:16
Speaker 1: Epstein were as tight as tight could be. All you
40:21
Speaker 1: have to do is listen to the survivors and they
40:24
Speaker 1: will tell you the story. Because folks, that's what it
40:27
Speaker 1: comes down to. When you break this down to its
40:30
Speaker 1: very visceral core, What this comes down to is who
40:36
Speaker 1: do you believe at this point? Do you believe these
40:38
Speaker 1: survivors or do you believe these scumbags that were hanging
40:41
Speaker 1: out with Jeffrey Epstein who have had all the time
40:43
Speaker 1: in the world to come forward and speak out against
40:46
Speaker 1: what was occurring but have yet chosen not to do so?
40:53
Speaker 1: But we're supposed to believe that Leslie Groff is being besmirched. Please, okay?
40:59
Speaker 1: Nobody's buying it. Groff was a secretary working for Epstein
41:04
Speaker 1: who was found dead in a federal lockup in August,
41:07
Speaker 1: presumably by suicide. Let's drop out presumably and go with allegedly, huh?
41:13
Speaker 1: And she was more than a secretary. What kind of
41:15
Speaker 1: secretary do you know that has a brand new Benz?
41:17
Speaker 1: What kind of secretary do you know that's making six figures?
41:21
Speaker 1: What kind of secretary do you know that's called Jeffrey
41:23
Speaker 1: Epstein's brain? That's not a secretary, folks. That's a confidant.
41:27
Speaker 1: That's somebody in his inner circle. That's somebody that has
41:30
Speaker 1: knowledge of what is going on and has knowledge of
41:33
Speaker 1: how this criminal enterprise is being run. That suit filed
41:39
Speaker 1: by Araz's attorneys contended that Ms. Groff directly facilitated as
41:43
Speaker 1: well as conspired with Epstein and the other co-conspirators to
41:47
Speaker 1: make possible and otherwise facilitate the sexual offenses committed against
41:52
Speaker 1: minor plaintiff Ms. Araz. It is seeking damages from the
41:56
Speaker 1: Epstein estate. Yeah, as it should. The audacity of Leslie
42:03
Speaker 1: Groff here to act like she was not a part
42:06
Speaker 1: of this, to act like she is a victim in
42:09
Speaker 1: all of this, and all of the evidence that has
42:11
Speaker 1: been compiled against her is a bunch of BS. These
42:15
Speaker 1: people truly think that all of their old tactics are
42:19
Speaker 1: going to work in the new world. Well, they're about
42:22
Speaker 1: to find out that they are wrong. They're about to
42:25
Speaker 1: find out that they are in for a very bad
42:28
Speaker 1: Very big surprise this time around. Because people like Leslie
42:31
Speaker 1: Groff and the Core Four, your days of running are over.
42:35
Speaker 1: Your days of hiding are over. Your days of not
42:38
Speaker 1: being put on blast in the media, well, at least
42:41
Speaker 1: in the independent media, are over. And you have nobody
42:48
Speaker 1: but yourself to blame. Groff had denied allegations previously through
42:54
Speaker 1: a New York lawyer, Michael Bochner, and now a more
42:58
Speaker 1: robust defense has been put forward in a motion filed
43:01
Speaker 1: last week on her behalf. Groff played no part in
43:04
Speaker 1: facilitating Epstein's crimes, according to a motion to dismiss the
43:08
Speaker 1: lawsuit in which she was named. And again, folks, this
43:12
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't all happen in a vacuum. You notice how
43:15
Speaker 1: all of this stuff is happening at the same time?
43:17
Speaker 1: You notice how the MLA was released and now we
43:20
Speaker 1: have one of the core four coming out with this
43:24
Speaker 1: suit here filing paperwork in the case of her being
43:29
Speaker 1: a facilitator. You think this is all just happening coincidentally?
43:34
Speaker 1: Of course not. There is much more going on behind
43:37
Speaker 1: the scenes. Now, I'm trying to figure out what exactly
43:41
Speaker 1: is going on behind the scenes. You know, I have
43:43
Speaker 1: a couple of questions out there to reliable sources, but
43:47
Speaker 1: so far we've got nothing concrete back. And that's what
43:50
Speaker 1: happens a lot of times in these sort of cases.
43:53
Speaker 1: When the FBI is on their game, when the FBI
43:55
Speaker 1: isn't playing games, and when the FBI isn't being corrupt,
43:59
Speaker 1: I know, very rarely does that happen. But when they're
44:02
Speaker 1: actually pursuing crimes, they know what they're doing, right? The
44:05
Speaker 1: field agents are good at compiling evidence and getting things going.
44:10
Speaker 1: The problem is the bureaucrats. But Leslie Groff, she really
44:16
Speaker 1: thinks people are going to believe that she had no
44:19
Speaker 1: part in facilitating Epstein's crimes, huh? Wow. The audacity of
44:23
Speaker 1: it all. But when you look at the big picture here, folks,
44:26
Speaker 1: there is something else brewing behind the scenes without a
44:29
Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt in my mind. The court papers state,
44:34
Speaker 1: it is not our intention to besmirch plaintiff. Rather, given
44:37
Speaker 1: the passage of almost 20 years, the alleged events, it
44:40
Speaker 1: is likely that the plaintiff is simply mistaken. Regardless, her conclusion,
44:45
Speaker 1: her conclusion, her conclusionary allegations against Ms. Groff are egregiously
44:51
Speaker 1: false and do not remotely satisfy applicable pleading standards. So
44:56
Speaker 1: Groff's defense here is, well, this was a long time
44:59
Speaker 1: ago and you just don't remember. So we're not trying
45:02
Speaker 1: to besmirch you or anything like that, but you don't
45:04
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. You don't remember what happened.
45:06
Speaker 1: And Leslie Groff was not involved. It's like they're trying
45:10
Speaker 1: to do a Jedi mind trick here. This is not
45:13
Speaker 1: the Groff you're looking for. I mean, really? What sort
45:17
Speaker 1: of lawyers are these people finding and where are they
45:20
Speaker 1: coming up with these ideas? Because if they think that
45:23
Speaker 1: this is going to work, they're wrong. A guy like
45:27
Speaker 1: Bradley Edwards is going to chew this kind of shit
45:29
Speaker 1: up and spit it out. The latest court filing emphasized
45:35
Speaker 1: that Groff, now 53, did not work at the Upper
45:38
Speaker 1: East Side residence where Epstein sexually abused teenagers such as Araz,
45:42
Speaker 1: who was 14 years old at the time in 2001
45:46
Speaker 1: when the criminal activity began. According to court records, her
45:49
Speaker 1: office was located elsewhere. Yeah, you know where her office
45:52
Speaker 1: was located? In the other building Epstein owned. The one
45:56
Speaker 1: where his brother supposedly owned it, right? Yeah, where they
45:58
Speaker 1: kept all of the girls. Yeah, no, Groff, it's okay,
46:02
Speaker 1: because Groff worked at another building owned by Epstein. She
46:04
Speaker 1: wasn't just at the townhouse or anything like that, so
46:07
Speaker 1: she had nothing to do with it. These people truly
46:12
Speaker 1: believe that their nonsense is going to win them the
46:16
Speaker 1: day again. They think that all of their nonsense is
46:19
Speaker 1: really just going to be accepted. Well, they're in for
46:24
Speaker 1: a big surprise, like I said earlier, because nobody's believing
46:27
Speaker 1: it anymore. Groff isn't going to be able to get
46:29
Speaker 1: out of this nonsense with these BS alibis and these
46:32
Speaker 1: BS excuses, and nobody's going to let him off the hook.
46:37
Speaker 1: Not independent journalists, and certainly not the survivor's lawyers. The
46:43
Speaker 1: new motion by Groff's legal team states, Ms. Groff never
46:47
Speaker 1: engaged in any criminal or civil misconduct. She did not
46:50
Speaker 1: conspire with anyone to sexually abuse plaintiff or any other
46:54
Speaker 1: survivor of Epstein. An innocent party, Ms. Groff has been
46:58
Speaker 1: subjected to widespread defamatory and salacious allegations against her in
47:03
Speaker 1: the media. Well, why don't you go ahead and sue
47:06
Speaker 1: some people then? If that's the case and Ms. Groff
47:09
Speaker 1: is being so terribly besmirched in the media... Start throwing
47:13
Speaker 1: out some lawsuits. Start suing the newspapers who are supposedly
47:17
Speaker 1: besmirching her. And let's get to the discovery phase. Are
47:21
Speaker 1: any of the core four ever going to have the
47:23
Speaker 1: courage to get to discovery phase? Or are they just
47:25
Speaker 1: going to try and litigate to waste more time? We
47:29
Speaker 1: all know the answer. They don't want their day in court.
47:32
Speaker 1: They're doing everything to stop themselves from having their day
47:36
Speaker 1: in court. And frankly, folks, that's all I'm asking for
47:40
Speaker 1: here is a trial, a day in court. Let's let
47:43
Speaker 1: the light of the sun purify the madness. The court
47:50
Speaker 1: papers filed on Groff's behalf said her activities centered on
47:53
Speaker 1: scheduling and meetings on business matters. Okay, well, let's just
47:57
Speaker 1: say for a minute, okay, she didn't have anything to
48:00
Speaker 1: do with the trafficking portion of it, which I do
48:02
Speaker 1: not believe. But let's say for a minute she didn't.
48:05
Speaker 1: She was only involved in the business matters, huh? Well,
48:08
Speaker 1: how much money laundering did you facilitate? How many deals
48:12
Speaker 1: did you set up where the money was washed, Ms. Groff? Oh,
48:16
Speaker 1: don't think there's just one angle to this case, because
48:18
Speaker 1: there are many fronts and many battles still to be fought.
48:22
Speaker 1: So anything that you try and do here, Ms. Groff, well,
48:26
Speaker 1: you're caught in the spider web. And again, you have
48:29
Speaker 1: nobody to blame but yourself. The Araz lawsuit also cited
48:35
Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's longtime companion, as well as Groff and
48:44
Speaker 1: two other of Epstein's associates. Every penny of Epstein's estate
48:48
Speaker 1: should go to the survivors, Araz's lawyer, Dan Kaiser, told
48:52
Speaker 1: the media when the suit was filed last year. 100%.
48:56
Speaker 1: I've been saying that from the beginning. Back the Brinks
48:59
Speaker 1: truck up. Each one of these girls should get pieced
49:01
Speaker 1: off with a fat chunk of change. I'm talking windfall
49:05
Speaker 1: status because what they went through with Jeffrey Epstein and
49:10
Speaker 1: then what the media did to them and to pile
49:13
Speaker 1: it on top, what the prosecution has done to them.
49:17
Speaker 1: If anybody has ever deserved a fat pay a huge payday,
49:21
Speaker 1: it is these survivors. Maxwell's whereabouts are not currently known.
49:28
Speaker 1: The motion to dismiss notes that there have been specific
49:31
Speaker 1: and well-detailed accusations about other Epstein employees, yet there were
49:36
Speaker 1: no specific allegations that she personally participated in Epstein's sexual misconduct. Well,
49:43
Speaker 1: that's true. I haven't heard that Leslie Groff was actually
49:46
Speaker 1: doing the abusing. But that doesn't make her any better, really, right?
49:50
Speaker 1: She was enabling this, procuring these girls, helping Jeffrey Epstein
49:53
Speaker 1: facilitate this, manage the fallout, make sure Epstein knew where
49:57
Speaker 1: he was going. Again, she was Jeffrey Epstein's brain. That's
50:01
Speaker 1: what Epstein said. A court date is scheduled for August
50:05
Speaker 1: 14th on the latest motion in the case. A call
50:08
Speaker 1: left with Araz's lawyer, Dan Kaiser, was not returned. Groff's
50:12
Speaker 1: legal team had no comment. A number of lawsuits have
50:15
Speaker 1: been filed by alleged victims of Epstein. Groff was named
50:20
Speaker 1: as a potential co-conspirator in another court document, a secret
50:24
Speaker 1: non-prosecution agreement that Epstein managed to secure in 2008. Imagine that.
50:30
Speaker 1: If Groff had nothing to worry about, if she wasn't
50:32
Speaker 1: involved in any of the crimes, why was it so
50:35
Speaker 1: important that she was cut in on that immunity deal?
50:40
Speaker 1: Answer me that, Mr. Lawyer for Leslie Groff. The agreement
50:45
Speaker 1: related to Epstein's misconduct came to light last year, triggering
50:49
Speaker 1: new investigations into his activities and his eventual arrest. That
50:55
Speaker 1: pretty much sums it up, right? Why did Leslie Groff
50:58
Speaker 1: need to be part of that immunity deal if she
51:00
Speaker 1: had nothing to offer, if she didn't have the goods
51:03
Speaker 1: on Jeffrey Epstein and the organization? Folks, they are not right.
51:09
Speaker 1: going to be able to muddy the waters this time.
51:12
Speaker 1: They can file all the lawsuits they want, they can
51:14
Speaker 1: go crazy with their lawsuits, and they can try and
51:17
Speaker 1: litigate this till the cows come home. But the survivor's lawyers,
51:23
Speaker 1: these folks have taken the center of the ring, they've
51:28
Speaker 1: taken the initiative, and they are on the offense now.
51:32
Speaker 1: You see the difference when you go on offense and
51:34
Speaker 1: then play in defense all the time? You have to
51:39
Speaker 1: take the initiative. You have to force the issue. And
51:44
Speaker 1: that's the point we're at now, folks. The issue is
51:47
Speaker 1: being forced and you see all of the scum that
51:51
Speaker 1: remains in the shadow of Jeffrey Epstein's death begin to
51:57
Speaker 1: scurry like the rats that they are. If you'd like
52:01
Speaker 1: to contact me, you can do that at bobbycappucci at protonmail.com.
52:05
Speaker 1: That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com. You can also find me on
52:12
Speaker 1: Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. All right, everybody, we'll be
52:18
Speaker 1: back later on and we'll do it all over again.
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Speaker 1: I hope you all enjoy your Saturday.