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@brettkeane Live Podcast | Can #christians #divorce ? · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Hello, ladies and gentlemen, this is Brett Keen from God TV
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  radio. I hope you're all having a
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  blessed day out there. I have been putting a link out
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  to the public anybody's able to join, but for a little while
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  we're going to have a host Proverbs guy, as well as rosy.
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  Bea who wants to participate in the conversation, we're going to
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  be talking about, can Christians.
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  Divorce is their issue with it? How does God feel about it?
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  What does it look like in society?
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  Among the The world and its perception.
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  And all these different issues stories will be shared.
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  If anyone out there has any ideas or topics that you would
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  like us to cover. Some time, I promise we will
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  look into it and we will see if some of them we will make them a
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  priority and get it going. Let me get Proverbs guy up here
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  and Rosie. Let's see what's going on.
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  Now Proverbs guy. How has your day been and then
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  Rosie? I'll tell you what.
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  Mr. King the good, Lord. Woke me up this morning and I'm
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  sitting here hanging out with my son.
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  So yeah, life is great. That's awesome man.
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  That's awesome. Once you tell people what your
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  YouTube channel is, he's got some great videos over there and
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  he's also got some videos where he admits that I am a beautiful
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  person. It's very hard for some people
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  to say, but he's got the courage for it.
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  Amen. All right, Hallelujah.
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  So my handle is Proverbs guy and I am the host at the Proverbs
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  27:17, YouTube channel. And for some odd reason I am
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  now, one of the co-hosts of the God TV, The radio, I get to
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  Apprentice under what I consider the king of podcast Radio, mr.
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  Brett Kane, and I find that just awesome buddy.
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  Goodness, gracious. I feel so much better about
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  myself. Thank you.
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  Proverbs about you Rosie. Tell us a little bit about your
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  day. Tell us about you.
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  My day was a blessed day. Like Steve said, yeah, the Lord
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  woke me up this morning and I had a very good time with a
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  fellow sister in the Lord. Today I'm getting to bond with
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  her and share stories, so and that's an unusual event
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  considering I live out in the middle of nowhere.
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  And I don't get very many visitors.
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  So interesting. Interesting happen today, it
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  sounds like you got my my issue. I live so far out in the woods
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  with my wife and everything. It's it's they say it's so far
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  into the midst of the forest and Jason Voorhees from Friday, the
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  Thirteenth would get lost, it's rough it's about right?
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  So before we get into the whole divorce, Horse thing.
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  So people can get to know you a little bit.
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  Tell us about how long you been a Christian and how long you
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  believed in God and all this, and any kind of experience you'd
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  like to share and then we'll get into it.
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  Me or Steve I guess. Well Steve been hosting a couple
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  times. I think people are starting to
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  get that idea where he's coming from.
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  So that'd be you Rosie. So me, okay, well, I've been
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  officially regenerative for I want to say about 22, 23 years
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  now when God came into my life, at a, the lowest point.
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  I was in my first marriage. And was looking for grasping at
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  everything to try to keep it together and fix it.
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  It was very abusive physically and psychologically.
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  But through his divine intervention, he put people in
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  my life that led me to him, and I would consider what the
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  experience was, was, absolutely a An intervention, it was super
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  natural in origin was not anything natural of this planet,
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  where he revealed himself to me. And then I realized that I was a
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  dirty fish and then it was time to start cleaning me up if you
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  want to put it in a nutshell. So, hey, and he fixed it, he
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  kind of showed me how the man that I had never.
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  Married was a representation of this same kind of nature as the
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  man. My mother had been married to
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  and her second marriage who was a pedophile and he was also very
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  abusive to her. So in that sense, he broke those
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  chains that bound me and and revealed why I was in that and
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  even though I was trying to To find any way to fix the
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  relationship. Ironically, he was pulling me
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  out of it. So, and I've been being
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  Sanctified in his in his Sovereign Authority and his will
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  in my life ever since then, but I was actually saved at 5 but I
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  didn't know the Lord until till I was about 22 and I'm 47 now.
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  So that's where that math comes in.
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  Well, we got somebody out here named Aiden who is saying and
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  I've talked to a man before he says, I like to eat through
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  music in the intro. Thank you Adidas says, Brett,
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  are you divorced know? I've actually been married for
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  almost 25 years now, but my mother and father, they divorced
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  and it was crushing for my mother like Rosie.
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  My mother went through a lot of a domestic abuse.
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  My father, she also had bipolar manic depression.
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  So she threw is hard back just as hard back as he could and he
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  ended up leaving around the time I was about 13 years old and I
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  remember being extremely challenging because at 13 years
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  old boy or girl is going to Serious developmental.
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  Things are trying to find their identity and sometimes kids tend
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  to blame themselves whenever their parents say Wonder to
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  themselves. Why did this?
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  Happen. Why did this happen?
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  Could have I done something and all that.
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  It's rough, not just for the parents, but for the kids and
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  they can also be devastating for the family and all those kind of
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  issues which were going to talk about.
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  We'll get into some Bible verses in a little bit, but I think
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  that this is a good start with the experience at Rosie shared
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  when Rosie as well as Proverbs, you both have had relationship.
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  Issues is a lot of people out there whether you're a
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  non-believer. Or religious have had issues.
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  Did you know anything about these people that they were
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  going to do this kind of thing to you later on?
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  I mean, was there any like clue or hint that these people might
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  end up being bastards or people who just bring you down?
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  Probably, but the flesh is weak, you know?
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  The and in the enourage unregenerate mind and the
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  naivety of, I think female nature for me and it seems, you
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  know, from what I've observed women who are naive tend to, and
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  especially ones who Of that, that that kind of background
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  that I have tend to gravitate toward broken men and a desire
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  to want to fix them. So even though those signs might
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  be there, I had to learn personally, the hard way, that
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  what you see is what you get Rosie, why do you think it is?
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  That I noticed that there's quite a few men that had this
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  nurturing Behavior about them where they want to get involved
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  with somebody and they feel like it's like putting together a
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  puzzle. They want to fix the broken man
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  that they see some kind of some kind of beauty and all the rough
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  and raggedness or grittiness of the man.
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  Why do you think that is? Why does the woman have that
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  going on? And I'd love to hear Proverbs
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  opinion as well. I can only speak from my
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  personal experience, but that's, that's a really good question.
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  But I think it for me, personally, it speaks to the
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  number one that were created in God's image and and God loves us
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  and therefore we, you know, tend to everyone has value and even
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  the A Broken Man and especially that hearts desire to want to
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  fix what is broken and it could be a psychological residue like
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  a seed or a weed seed chaff, if you will that from one who has
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  been damaged in some way, you know, sexually or physically
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  from childhood. And so there is an empathy.
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  Easy for when you're grown to seek out, men like that in a way
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  to maybe reconcile, what had not been reconciled.
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  And you know, to show someone that they are worth being loved.
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  Perhaps. So make any sense.
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  Yeah. Then say it was logical and I
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  didn't mean it. I appreciate your views on it.
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  Sounds like you put a lot of thought into this and I respect
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  that Proverbs what your views. So I'll tell you what, Brett.
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  This is going to be an awesome panel tonight because I feel
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  like we've got both sides of the coin represented.
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  Whereas Rosie was Unfortunate enough to come across a creep
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  that she married her first go-around.
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  I actually was the creeping in my first marriage so my my
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  ex-wife was actually a wonderful wife, a Biblical wife and a
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  fantastic mother. Unfortunately, I was 22 years
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  old when we got divorced and she left me because I was a
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  struggling addict. I was addicted to pain
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  medication And so she had more than ample reason for leaving
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  me. So yeah, you know, there's
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  always different situations when it comes to divorce.
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  So it's very interesting that tonight on the panel we have
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  Rosie who who was with the creep and then on my side when I was
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  in my 20s I was the creep. Fair enough.
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  Fair enough. Very honest and encouraging of
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  you to put it out there like that for sure.
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  Now Proverbs if you don't mind me asking as well as Rosary.
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  Do you believe that sometimes people fall in love with an idea
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  of what they want someone to be as opposed to who they actually
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  are? It's as though they just imagine
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  what that person could be in there.
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  Hoping not just to fix the person but to a tandem break
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  them down and make them into the man or the woman that they they
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  want for themselves. Yeah.
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  Great question Brett I would say that that probably is the
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  leading factor in the majority of divorces, right?
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  I mean sometimes you marry someone and you know who they
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  are and then they end up changing on you, which was my
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  situation. But a lot of times I think it's
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  more common, that it would be the opposite of that, right?
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  Which is exactly what you just said.
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  You fall in love with the idea of who you think that Person is
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  and then over an extended period of time, you find out for
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  certain that you were absolutely wrong and that the person you
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  fell in love with, never existed in the first place.
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  What would you say Rosie? Wow.
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  Sorry I was gobbling up a piece there that that's I think you
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  kind of hit the nail on the head there.
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  Brett with with your question is there there is the answer there.
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  Your exactly. You know looking at the good
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  nuggets within the person you know kind of breaking them apart
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  and you're like hey if we can take all the extrapolate these
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  good things. And and just wash away the bad.
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  Then you can create this whole person and I absolutely would
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  agree with that. You know, you're seeing
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  something that isn't actually true, but you want it to be
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  true. It's like I'm going to make this
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  person into my personal project, so, and it does not ever go your
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  way, and then my experience. Anyway, absolutely Why do you
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  think it is as well? Mr. Proverbs, and Rosie, another
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  thing that I've noticed in society, it's something that's
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  been around since the dawn of man, but women seem to be
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  attracted to the rubble, the the hard-ass, you know, the Survivor
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  whatever. But they don't seem to like the
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  guy who wears the sweaters and you know is over playing the
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  Xbox or that, you know, the computer kind of thing.
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  Why do you why do you think that that's an issue?
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  Issue. Why is women attracted to that
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  when it may be? That the guy who's what?
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  Someone referred to using a slang word nerdy they don't go
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  for. What's up with that?
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  Yeah, I'll take a crack at this Brett.
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  I actually think it's a really easy question to answer.
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  You know, God designed women to be attracted to masculinity just
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  like he designed men to be attracted to feminine ality and
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  what's funny As a modern culture we're trying to completely wipe
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  out masculinity and we're trying to bring everybody closer to the
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  middle like you said, the sweater vests and the playing
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  video games and masculine traits are almost demonized nowadays.
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  So on those rare occasions, when a woman finds a manly man or
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  like you said, the bad guy, who is usually a lot more masculine,
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  it's almost like finding a unicorn.
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  Corn. And they don't think about okay.
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  Is this a hot stove? I'm about to touch because it's
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  so unique and so once-in-a-lifetime in their eyes
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  to find a unicorn. They just want to rope it in as
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  soon as possible. Fair enough.
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  Fair enough. What about you Rosie?
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  What your thoughts are now? Why the rebel?
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  Why the Rebel Without a clue? Steve brought up a couple of
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  interesting things about that that I hadn't really considered
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  a unicorn but I I would tend to agree with the, you know, the
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  masculinity. But there's a difference between
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  a person being masculine and just a downright masculine
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  Creed. And I think I can only speak for
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  myself again. I mean, this is just experience
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  is that there's an unhealthy. And we're talking about the
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  creep, not masculinity, right? Yeah.
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  Okay I just wanted to clarify before I start to answer that
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  not necessarily just masculine because a man can be a gentleman
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  and also be masculine at the same time.
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  But there's a difference between observing a man and watching how
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  he treats people, how he talks to people how he talks about
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  people and then hearing those things that internally make you
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  almost cringe. But that unhealthy Distortion of
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  wanting to change, excuse me, the wanting to change a man.
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  That that is the curse that is like when you talked about in
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  the beginning, after the fall, that is a curse from the garden.
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  It's like widespread, it's a, it can be applied as a broad brush.
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  You know, your desire will be for your man and in the context,
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  it means to you want to rule over him, you want to dictate.
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  So, you know, with that in mind and then I don't know, it's more
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  nowadays, in my opinion, that relationships, it's more of a
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  unicorn to find a good man. As opposed to the bad men are
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  everywhere, you know, the creeps are everywhere in my experience,
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  the both think that maybe there's the correlation is and
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  this is just a Opinion on this because I've asked my wife about
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  it, I asked her, I said, honey, why did you marry a goon like
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  me? You really want to die of old
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  age long side me. I mean seriously.
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  And she says, well honey, it's not just that you're rough and
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  tough. It's not just that, you're a
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  brute and all that, but you've got a marshmallow heart.
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  And I know that if I ever got into it with the world, you'd be
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  there, you'd stand there and you'd protect me where I
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  couldn't get that from some guy in a sweater is gone, dad, which
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  on the Xbox. You know that's I think that's
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  what it is. A woman's looking for a
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  protector, someone who will be there for her through thick and
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  thin. That could be that's at least
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  what my wife tells me. And I've made the decision that
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  she is always right? And every conversation we have
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  Yeah, that's interesting. Brett and you know I do think
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  that a huge part of being masculine is being that
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  dependable figure and a young woman's life.
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  So I mean I think that makes total sense.
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  Actually we got somebody down here who's asking a question
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  they're wanting to get right into the Bible?
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  They're saying does the Bible say if you are divorced because
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  your spouse left, you can get remarried with know, A violation
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  of God's word and I've got quite a few passages up on the screen
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  that I've been looking into, but I'm going to give Rosie as well
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  as mr. Proverbs their opportunity to
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  respond to these questions first.
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  And remember, I put the link out to the public if there's anybody
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  that has had experiences with relationships, if you've had
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  heart breaks or success. Come on in here and we've,
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  you're awesome magic please. All right, so that's the
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  question. Did you guys?
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  Guys hear what Danny D asked? Yeah.
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  So, do you want to go first Rosie?
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  Or would you like me to take it? Do you have a more formulated
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  opinion? I actually do think I have a
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  pretty good concept of it being raised in a Torah obedient home.
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  I have a really good grasp of Hebrew culture and Hebrew
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  mindset and since the scriptures was written 99.999% from a
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  Hebrew perspective, I think it's very valid and And I think it's
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  valuable in this talk. So the Scripture A?
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  Yeah. So the scripture definitely says
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  that if you are divorced and you remarry, you are committing
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  adultery. That's indisputable.
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  And you know, Jesus even says, like if you if you look upon a
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  married person with lost, then you are also committing
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  adultery. And I think that's where a lot
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  of especially Protestants get hung up on there like, well,
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  Case Closed. That's it.
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  But there are other other scripture verses, for instance,
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  the one, that Kent hovind likes to quote, quite often, where it
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  says, if the unbelieving depart, then you're not in bondage.
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  Well, that's a really odd scripture.
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  Verse if you don't know Hebrew context in Hebrew culture.
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  So here's the situation back in that day and time 9 times out of
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  10. If you were to leave your spouse
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  in divorce them, One of two things would happen from the
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  community, either one you'd be dragged to Town Square and you
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  would be stoned to death. Freeing your spouse to remarry
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  someone who actually cared about them.
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  And the second option would be that the Elders of your local
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  synagogue, your local temple. The Levites would deem you an
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  unbeliever, which would also free you from that bondage.
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  And that's something that Protestants are The ignorant to
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  and not even at fault of their own, but they just don't dig
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  into deeper Biblical history. They don't dig into Hebrew
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  culture because they almost think it's like offensive to
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  Western Christianity, which is absolutely absurd because all it
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  does is clarify and compliment our faith period.
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  You know, I want you to think of this brick, right?
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  You have a young woman, she leaves her father's home, she
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  goes off. Off with her husband.
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  He's supposed to care for her, right?
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  There's not a lot of jobs in this period in history for women
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  to do except be a homemaker and then her husband finds a younger
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  woman and decides he's going to run off with her.
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  Are you telling me that a just God would expect her to beg and
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  be poor for the rest of her life and not have a hedge of
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  protection, a covering of a husband?
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  That's absolutely absurd. In the only way that makes sense
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  is again, if you are 100%. Current to Hebrew customs and
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  culture. I got an interesting biblical
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  question for you and Rosary to go along with what you're
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  saying. Their Proverbs, are you familiar
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  with the character in The Bible by the name of Onan?
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  No, I am not a hand. I might be aware of the story,
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  but do you want to fill us in? Well, this woman was married to
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  this man and she loved him. She cared about him.
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  But unfortunately, nature took over in the man ended up dying
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  and God actually instructed this woman to marry.
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  The brother basically have a relationship with the brother
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  unfortunately, Onan did not. How shall I say?
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  He did not do as God completely set on how to handle it.
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  And things didn't work out too good for own and people can look
• 31:20
  that up later if you want. But the point is in the
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  scripture own and was actually instructed to have a
• 31:27
  relationship with this. Well, the brother's wife and
• 31:31
  stuff. Did you ever hear about that?
• 31:33
  Yes, no, no. So the story you're talking
• 31:36
  about is a good one, the the husband died and God.
• 31:41
  Need to be able to preserve that man's line.
• 31:45
  So he he wanted the brother to sleep with her and come into her
• 31:51
  in order to further the deceased husband's line and the living
• 31:57
  brother did sleep with her. But instead of fulfilling that
• 32:03
  seed within the woman, he spilled his seed instead making
• 32:07
  it a wicked act because he didn't fulfill God's will.
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  Is that the one you're talking about.
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  About, that's exactly the one. But the instruction is still
• 32:16
  there showing that God actually did not want this person to
• 32:20
  spend the rest of their life alone.
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  I noticed that there's a lot of Christians, especially on the
• 32:25
  internet. They're wondering, should I be
• 32:27
  alone now? Should I not be able to remarry?
• 32:29
  Should I not be able to have a relationship?
• 32:32
  And obviously, it's terrible. If you're going to live for up
• 32:34
  to 80 to 100 years on this Earth, a person ought not to be
• 32:39
  alone and that to me was a clear Passage Regardless fam.
• 32:43
  Time to move on. It's time to continue to sow
• 32:46
  seed. Yeah.
• 32:48
  And just to back up what you're saying, Brett I know that
• 32:52
  there's probably at least one viewer out there right now who's
• 32:55
  saying? Well yeah but wait a minute, her
• 32:57
  husband died, making it legal in God's eyes for her to move on
• 33:03
  and remarry. So on so forth and that's,
• 33:07
  that's your mindset. I understand that.
• 33:09
  However again, you're not Connecting all the dots if you
• 33:13
  don't go back through Hebrew culture, right?
• 33:15
  Because, even if that husband just divorced her, either one,
• 33:21
  the church, the elders will deem the person who left in divorced,
• 33:27
  in the first place on justifiably that is an
• 33:30
  unbeliever freeing that ex-spouse or you would be stoned
• 33:35
  to death and the Town Square for that transgression.
• 33:38
  So God, never, ever, ever intended for somebody.
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  To just be stuck and you have to cross your fingers and hope that
• 33:45
  somebody knocks out your ex one day or that they just happen to
• 33:49
  be stepping under a boulder. It's a very ignorant, a very
• 33:55
  ignorant, understanding of the Hebrew scriptures, which is
• 33:59
  exactly what the Old and New Testament is, it's a Hebrew
• 34:02
  scripture that was adopted by Western culture.
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  You got any thoughts on that Rosie?
• 34:09
  Are you still gobbling down some dinner over there?
• 34:11
  No, I'm done. I'm done.
• 34:14
  No. I, you know, and I lost my
• 34:16
  connection. So I didn't actually hear
• 34:18
  Steve's original answer to that but with what I have heard, I
• 34:22
  fully agree. I don't really have a western
• 34:27
  culture worldview per se. I do tend to dig toward and try
• 34:34
  to understand. Not so much the levitical stuff
• 34:39
  that he is pretty Savvy on. But what did Jesus mean?
• 34:45
  You know and the there's the one anyone who divorces his wife
• 34:53
  causes her to commit adultery that is not put on her.
• 35:01
  That is saying your fault for one.
• 35:05
  So he is the one, you know, because he made a vow before God
• 35:09
  promised to take care of this person or vice versa.
• 35:13
  Women do it to, I can't, you know, it's not just the men and
• 35:19
  like you said, I don't believe that God intends for everybody
• 35:23
  to be alone. Some people do choose celibacy
• 35:25
  afterwards thinking that they can't do it, that they won't be
• 35:28
  good enough. But, you know, with With God all
• 35:33
  things are possible, you were talking about old scripture, I
• 35:37
  vaguely remember that one, but another one that comes to mind
• 35:40
  is I believe it's Hosea. And I understand that the
• 35:44
  scripture is a description, a shadow of how the Gentiles are
• 35:49
  grafted it in. But, you know, he tells Hosea to
• 35:53
  go and marry a prostitute. Well, she's totally a, you know,
• 35:58
  fornicator and and continues to accept her back over and over.
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  Am I right? Steve.
• 36:10
  Yeah, so so she was actually a representation of Israel and
• 36:18
  right be grafted in Yeah, you're absolutely right Rosie, right?
• 36:23
  But it still is a legitimate thing that happened so you know
• 36:29
  God told him to go and marry her.
• 36:32
  Yeah. And you know there are Parts in
• 36:34
  the New Testament where like Paul said you know, hey if you
• 36:38
  can do this walk and be single it would be better for you
• 36:42
  because you'll have so much more time to spread the gospel,
• 36:45
  you'll only have one Focus. You won't be worried about
• 36:48
  worldly matters. Like taking care of.
• 36:50
  Of a family. You can just travel when God
• 36:52
  tells you to go, but the scripture also says that it's
• 36:55
  not good for a man to be alone and that's not one-sided, right?
• 36:59
  Because God's not sexist were equal heirs in God's Kingdom.
• 37:02
  So it's not good for a woman to be alone either, especially when
• 37:06
  a woman, was always designed to have that, that covering of a
• 37:11
  husband or her biological father over her, like, God doesn't
• 37:16
  desire to leave people destitute and lonely.
• 37:18
  That's not the nature of God. People who think that that's the
• 37:21
  nature of God. It's just a very sad
• 37:24
  interpretation of scripture and and again we need to go back
• 37:28
  through with the Hebrew lens and cotton gather more context.
• 37:31
  Because when you do that, it makes the scripture so much more
• 37:36
  merciful and loving than some Protestants would make it hmm.
• 37:41
  Janna, bring up, something a little controversial here.
• 37:45
  I've been in many many shows where I've listened to people
• 37:48
  talk about their personal. Experiences.
• 37:50
  And some of the things we've been through, I've met people
• 37:54
  where they say, they're a couple, and then what ends up
• 37:56
  happening, is something bad happens.
• 37:58
  Down the line or something, sways them away from their
• 38:01
  faith, and their belief. And then one of the people in
• 38:04
  the couple ended up becoming either a non-believer or they
• 38:08
  just they start having doubts for a while there for whatever
• 38:11
  the issue is. Now here's the interesting
• 38:14
  thing, some of these folks have told me that their the church is
• 38:18
  that they used to go to Actually tried to convince their spouses
• 38:22
  to leave them because they were unevenly yoked.
• 38:25
  But when I look in the Bible under 1st Corinthians chapter 7
• 38:29
  verses 13. It says, and if a woman has a
• 38:32
  husband who is not a Believer and he's willing to live with
• 38:36
  her, she must not divorce him. Now, obviously, there are
• 38:40
  circumstances in the Bible and there's even some wording about
• 38:43
  certificate that you have to give to a woman through a
• 38:45
  divorce, but I find it interesting that God not only
• 38:49
  men Actions the Christian Believers but also, make sure
• 38:53
  that how you should handle it. If you're in a relationship with
• 38:56
  a non-believer as well, what did you guys just thoughts on that?
• 39:02
  Well, there's more for support on that verse as well, and I
• 39:07
  believe it in Proverbs but where God is saying about the
• 39:13
  unbeliever for the woman or vice versa 22.
• 39:20
  Stay with them and reflect God's love.
• 39:25
  So that they could possibly be saved eventually.
• 39:30
  So, you know, depending on how Peaceable it is.
• 39:36
  I mean, if the woman is being abused, I would safely.
• 39:40
  I believe our dear friend. Brian has a brought up the
• 39:46
  little vehicle laws on that type of thing where God condemns that
• 39:53
  the the beating which is interesting because I didn't
• 39:56
  know that and I tried to stay with The person who was like
• 40:01
  that for me, and God was the one who cut this actually cut my
• 40:06
  ties and, you know, made me where I could not move for that
• 40:10
  man to walk out of my life because I was not willing for
• 40:12
  him to leave so Betsy. Yeah, so okay.
• 40:22
  So there's two things that we need to look at with scriptures
• 40:25
  is one God often allows things. That does not please him, right?
• 40:33
  So in the Old Testament with figures like Abraham or even
• 40:38
  Jacob, God's intention was always for one man to have one
• 40:42
  wife yet. We see where these big righteous
• 40:46
  figures have multiple wives. Well that was never God's
• 40:49
  intention but is something that God allowed and likewise was
• 40:54
  with divorce divorce in the Old Testament.
• 40:57
  Had several reasons why you could Could get divorced and
• 41:01
  like Rosie. Just stated one reason was
• 41:04
  adultery. Another reason was, if the man's
• 41:06
  beating up his wife, God doesn't want a woman being beat like,
• 41:09
  he's a merciful god. And this is in the Old
• 41:11
  Testament, but Jesus tells us that the reason Moses allowed
• 41:16
  that was because of man's heart and heart.
• 41:19
  So again, this is something that God allowed, but it wasn't
• 41:24
  something, he desired. Now, if you are a woman and
• 41:28
  you're in a relationship where your And beat up every day.
• 41:31
  I just want you to know, like you are free.
• 41:33
  God does not want you to be beat every day until eventually.
• 41:36
  He goes too far, and you don't wake up.
• 41:39
  That's not a sovereign loving. God, anyone who would try to
• 41:43
  make that argument just, you know, clearly doesn't have the
• 41:47
  the relationship with a loving God that they would maybe lead
• 41:51
  others to believe that they did in the Bible, clearly teaches so
• 41:55
  that were to treat our wives like the Protectors of the home.
• 41:59
  And Basically love them like we love the church.
• 42:03
  This kind of representation seems like if you love your wife
• 42:07
  and everything, you're gonna take care of things, you know,
• 42:10
  keep the keep the grass cut and building growing and doing good
• 42:14
  things, not trying to cause harm or destruction, right?
• 42:18
  And that falls like solely on the husband shoulders, you know,
• 42:22
  a husband is supposed to love his wife like Christ, loved the
• 42:25
  church. Well, what does that mean?
• 42:27
  It's actually unattainable. It is, it is physically
• 42:31
  spiritually, mentally, and emotionally impossible for a
• 42:35
  human man. To love his wife.
• 42:36
  The way Christ loves the church, that bar is always moving.
• 42:39
  You will never catch up to it. And what that does is it forces
• 42:43
  the husband to try to be a better husband tomorrow than he
• 42:48
  was today. It is again, a formula that God
• 42:52
  uses to ensure that husband's treat their wives kindly because
• 42:57
  according to scriptures, they are the weaker vessel. and that
• 43:00
  doesn't mean that they're less of a human, but that's the
• 43:03
  design of a family that God ordained and he has these
• 43:08
  default set into marriage to try to protect the wife because he's
• 43:13
  that merciful and loving and and just one more thought on that.
• 43:17
  It's a sacrificial self-sacrifice.
• 43:21
  It's dying to self every day for the sake of your wife.
• 43:25
  What did he? How did he loved the church?
• 43:28
  He died for the church. So a man who is willing to and
• 43:37
  I'm not trying to like, you know, that the woman on the
• 43:39
  pedestal but he essentially is kind of that way that, you know,
• 43:47
  to sacrifice your own Pleasures, for the sake of giving her what
• 43:52
  she needs. Well, that's what love
• 43:58
  businessman of his sacrifice. Love is giving unto yourself.
• 44:04
  So I agree with you on the other side of the coin, the other I'm
• 44:07
  sorry, the other side of the court and to love to honor and
• 44:15
  love, love your husband as unto the Lord.
• 44:17
  So there is a balance, go ahead, I'm sorry, right?
• 44:20
  And I, I feel from my own perspective that the woman and
• 44:24
  the man, and I know that some people We'll have a different
• 44:27
  rank of how they put women and men based upon their perspective
• 44:31
  or how they were raised up or grew up and all that.
• 44:34
  But I think that if men and women treat each other equally
• 44:37
  in the household and then the marriage and the reason why I
• 44:40
  say that there's equality taught in the Bible, which a lot of
• 44:44
  atheists would disagree. And people out there might say
• 44:46
  something else about submission, is what did Jesus say.
• 44:50
  He said that you are no longer two, you become one And what are
• 44:55
  we supposed to do? We are supposed to do on the
• 44:57
  others. We want done unto ourselves.
• 44:59
  We become one unit. Does it make sense?
• 45:01
  Proverbs that he got something else?
• 45:03
  No, I mean, not only. Does that make sense?
• 45:05
  Brett but that's even balanced and verified in Genesis.
• 45:10
  If you remember, we started in the garden as one God puts Adam
• 45:16
  to sleep. He forms woman from man's rib,
• 45:19
  making them to, and then, through marriage and the act of
• 45:24
  Making love to your spouse and marriage which is how God
• 45:29
  designed it. You become one again.
• 45:31
  So it's impossible to be like over someone that you are one
• 45:38
  with, right? You can't be over yourself.
• 45:41
  Now a logistical scale. A reasoning like that.
• 45:46
  Yes, somebody has to be the leader.
• 45:48
  You know, you can't have two left feet that's just common
• 45:51
  sense. So God does put the man over the
• 45:54
  wife in that aspect but it's not a man over a woman as in he's
• 46:01
  Superior to her. It's a man over the woman as the
• 46:04
  protector of the home and the pastor of the home.
• 46:08
  So it's not even you know how we think automatically like okay
• 46:12
  he's better than the wife know you guys are one but he is your
• 46:16
  protector. Right where he goes, you go,
• 46:20
  where she goes, he goes and whatever they benefit they
• 46:23
  benefit together because they are one.
• 46:26
  That makes sense to me. So, I got a controversial verse
• 46:29
  here. This will be controversial for
• 46:31
  some because we're going to discuss it Matthew 119 because
• 46:36
  Joseph, her husband was faithful to the law.
• 46:39
  It stating that. During this time, the law was
• 46:42
  set in the place and yet did not want to expose her to public.
• 46:47
  Public Disgrace. He had in mind to divorce her
• 46:50
  quietly. You guys know who's being talked
• 46:53
  about here. Yeah, this is Mary Mary.
• 46:58
  So would you like to explain Proverbs or Rose?
• 47:01
  Why it is? That Joseph was actually quietly
• 47:05
  thinking about divorcing their e and what the consequences would
• 47:09
  have been? Had he done it publicly stoning?
• 47:16
  Yes, exactly. It was a stoning and if you
• 47:19
  continue reading on in that passage bread, it actually goes
• 47:22
  on to explain what's going on it.
• 47:25
  Because he was a righteous man that he decided to do a quietly
• 47:29
  to spare her from stoning because he was a righteous man.
• 47:33
  So you had multiple options at that time.
• 47:36
  If you were just a sensitive man and you were really upset and
• 47:42
  you wanted to punish your your wife for that, that adulterous
• 47:47
  act, which is what it was thought that Mary had been.
• 47:50
  Because, you know, at that point in time, Joseph didn't believe
• 47:54
  she was Was pregnant with the Son of God.
• 47:56
  So he had the option to either have her Stone so he could
• 47:59
  remarry or he could do what the Old Testament called.
• 48:03
  Put her away. And that is just a more merciful
• 48:07
  way of getting rid of her but without the chance of her being
• 48:11
  deemed an unbeliever, which would Exile her from the
• 48:15
  community and it also saved her from the possibility of being
• 48:18
  Stoned by a bunch of angry relatives.
• 48:21
  So it was like an act of Mercy that Joseph wanted to do that.
• 48:25
  And I don't know how many times Rose has been in the chat room
• 48:29
  or whatever, some kind of environment like this but Rose,
• 48:33
  if you could do me a favor when you're not talked, and can you
• 48:35
  mute it? Unfortunately, when you have
• 48:37
  your mic that loud and going like that Proverbs will start to
• 48:41
  make squeal noises back there. It's called feedback.
• 48:44
  So if you could, when you're not talking mute the mic please,
• 48:47
  thank you. If you're wearing headphones,
• 48:49
  you'll do better. You won't have to mute it as
• 48:52
  often. Microphone buttons at the
• 48:55
  bottom, by the way. Yeah, I have been told that
• 48:59
  before with him, I have earbuds and I did notice the feedback
• 49:04
  but I didn't know what that, why it was doing that but yes, yes
• 49:07
  sir. Yeah, it sound is hitting your
• 49:11
  mic and then rub her baton back you basically causing an
• 49:14
  infinite Echo System. It's all good, it's all good.
• 49:18
  I understand, everybody's learning how to do these things.
• 49:20
  So basically I mean not only Only did we show that Joseph
• 49:26
  himself you know the not the biological father of Jesus but
• 49:32
  the guy who was with Mary had options and options that stoning
• 49:37
  did not have to be the case is where you hear some people say
• 49:40
  no no, no. That was the only option that
• 49:42
  could do according to the law. But he was showing that he could
• 49:46
  even be righteous and still have other Alternatives and options.
• 49:50
  And as you said, he didn't even know it wasn't until Angels
• 49:54
  visited him, right? Let him know what was going on,
• 49:56
  and then things got adjusted and they ended up having a beautiful
• 50:00
  marriage. Yep.
• 50:04
  Absolutely. Right.
• 50:06
  Which I think is awesome because Joseph is a really overlooked
• 50:10
  character but truthfully he's like the most awesome stepfather
• 50:16
  in world history in my opinion. And I really don't think that.
• 50:22
  I really don't think there's enough research and study on
• 50:24
  Joseph because after a certain period of time, he's just kind
• 50:28
  of never mentioned again. So people don't really know
• 50:31
  what's going on but Yeah, Joseph was just a super honorable man.
• 50:38
  All right, we're here we are starting to come up on animals
• 50:41
  an hour of doing the show. So I'm going to throw some stuff
• 50:45
  that's been going out in the world and to get you guys as
• 50:48
  perspectives and Views. We've done some Bible verses,
• 50:52
  we'll do some more if you guys want or have questions about
• 50:54
  that but I wanted to ask Proverbs because I think
• 50:58
  Proverbs is very passionate about this.
• 51:00
  I don't know where Rosary stands but it appears as though the
• 51:03
  very institution of marriage is under attack in our modern day.
• 51:07
  It appears as though it's been turned into a parody of itself
• 51:11
  and doesn't have the significance of spiritual value.
• 51:14
  That it once had, is there a reason for that?
• 51:18
  You have opinions and theories for this.
• 51:20
  This is simply what I have noticed.
• 51:24
  Would you like to go first, this time Rosie.
• 51:32
  Sure. I mean I think it's the mystery
• 51:40
  of lawlessness that Jesus speaks of you know, the end of days.
• 51:46
  It's almost like The courts in the garden has been Amplified.
• 51:55
  And everything is just increasingly getting darker that
• 52:01
  marriage in and of itself, I mean was just a couple two
• 52:04
  three, no, maybe three and a half, four years agos, when the
• 52:09
  institution of marriage had changed from then and a woman
• 52:12
  to, you know, same-sex and and and then things have progressed
• 52:19
  even further. And I just I find it very
• 52:23
  heartbreaking, I find it. it's very sad, but I'm not surprised
• 52:28
  because the scriptures reveal, it all to us that these things
• 52:32
  are going to happen and you know, I'm Like I said, I'm just
• 52:41
  I'm not surprised, I just I find it very sad because I believe
• 52:45
  that a strong Foundation of traditional marriage is what is
• 52:53
  going to set up children to be, successful and stable, you know,
• 53:00
  mentally spiritually and physically.
• 53:02
  They're, they're generally more successful.
• 53:04
  They did. And statistically, they
• 53:06
  generally make more money then. People who grow up in broken
• 53:12
  homes and the don't know, the basic skills of taking care of a
• 53:18
  family, you know, carrying on that kind of a nuclear family in
• 53:24
  it. So I actually I totally agree
• 53:30
  with everything that Rosie just said, but I do believe it's
• 53:34
  actually a two-part thing for one.
• 53:37
  It's exactly again. What Rosie said, it is the
• 53:41
  natural deterioration after the fall, that families would start
• 53:47
  falling apart like that because all of humanity, all of nature
• 53:51
  is falling apart ever since the garden, but it's actually
• 53:55
  something else also. That's a lot more Sinister than
• 53:58
  that. It is Satan's attack on the
• 54:00
  church, right? The church is made up of
• 54:04
  families. The body of Christ.
• 54:06
  So in order to infiltrate and destroy the church, you have to
• 54:11
  destroy the family unit first and we have seen an assault on
• 54:16
  the family unit like never before in the history of
• 54:20
  recorded mankind. So I agree.
• 54:24
  Totally with Rosie said it is Just a natural part of the
• 54:29
  deterioration of culture in marriage after the fall.
• 54:32
  But it is also a very clever orchestrated plan of the enemy
• 54:38
  of hasta tan. The accuser of the brother to
• 54:41
  destroy the family unit in order to finally try to destroy
• 54:45
  Christ's Church. You know, I've been repeatedly
• 54:50
  nowadays, where people there? They just simply see they'll
• 54:55
  claim this. X is nothing but a natural
• 54:58
  process and that there's nothing that Transcendence, there's no
• 55:02
  love, that's actually involved anymore.
• 55:05
  And then with these marriages, anybody could roll up in Las
• 55:08
  Vegas and you know within you know an hour or two a drinking
• 55:13
  they can convince each other to go do this.
• 55:15
  I also noticed that a lot of people jump right into it too
• 55:18
  quickly and they don't get to know each other as people and
• 55:22
  that happens with a lot of younger folks, as well.
• 55:25
  They are hormone. These are so hot and going that,
• 55:28
  they think, man, this is so good.
• 55:30
  This is what I want to do and they don't even figure out
• 55:33
  what's happening. It's a lot different when ever
• 55:35
  you meet somebody that you like and everything and you enjoy,
• 55:39
  when you're out in public, is a little bit of a honeymoon
• 55:41
  period. But when you start living with
• 55:43
  them, when you start existing with them, there's one other
• 55:46
  thing I bring up and you guys are more than welcome to hit it
• 55:50
  as well. Now this is going to be weird.
• 55:53
  I'm going to give you a hypothetical, but let's say
• 55:55
  Proverbs in the Future, you end up marrying somebody and they
• 55:59
  this is a real thing in society. Your wife turns around looks at
• 56:03
  you. One day and says, honey, I just
• 56:06
  feel like I'm a man. Now, I just feel like that's the
• 56:10
  deal and that's what we're going with.
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  And the government seems to protect that idea.
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  And this Ideology. Now, what would you do in this
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  predicament? Wow.
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  Brett excellent question, man. And to be honest, you know, part
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  of me wants to default to what can you do?
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  Like if your wife after 10 years of marriage decides that she's
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  suddenly just attracted to the same sex.
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  You know, what can you do? I can offer you a reason for
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  that. It's the deterioration of our
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  culture. It is the The it is the culture
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  trying to make women more masculine.
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  More independent is what they call it and trying to make men
• 56:59
  more feminine and less masculine.
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  And when that happens, what happens is you really start
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  blurring the lines to where a woman.
• 57:09
  That's a, your wife works out with at the gym can end up being
• 57:12
  more masculine than your husband at home, who plays video games,
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  and just wants to play housewife and refuses to work.
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  And it's a very sad situation but honestly that's that's the
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  answer. Like when we take masculinity
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  out of men and we put it into women, it causes confusion which
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  we know is not of God because God is not the author of
• 57:37
  confusion. The feeling something really
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  unusual about a couple of years ago and stuff, but it's still
• 57:44
  going on today. There, Proverbs, and Rosie that
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  really bothers me and I'm not really sure how to work it out
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  in my head. But I seen that there was a
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  couple that had been married for many many years even longer than
• 57:59
  my wife. And I and one day, the husband
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  woke up and said honey, I'm a female and not only am I a woman
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  but I I am six years old and I want to be adopted by people.
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  This is a true story. This is real folks.
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  This person decided to move out of the home they gave up their
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  kids and their wife, so they could be adopted by some
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  strange. People who put this person in a
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  room and allowed them to be a six-year-old.
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  Woman strangely enough for whatever reason, they allowed
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  bikers that come in and out to have relationship with the
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  six-year-old. That was Now 60.
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  That was actually six years old in real life and I don't
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  understand how anybody could deal with it.
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  I don't understand how someone who's married to someone that
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  long and then they just flip on them like that.
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  What are you going to do? How do you handle that?
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  Okay, so for one thing and I know that this is going to come
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  off as callous and I promised everyone who's listening that
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  that's not my heart's intention because my heart goes out for
• 59:05
  people in these kinds of situations, I don't want to
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  demonize them, but a big part of it is that we are unwilling to
• 59:15
  address that part of society as a mental illness.
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  And I know the example that you're talking about bread, I've
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  actually heard Of that myself and if that's not a clear-cut
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  case of mental illness. I'm not sure what it is.
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  I mean, this is a 60 plus year old man, who decided one day
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  that he wanted to be a six-year-old, I believe it was a
• 59:37
  six-year-old girl and not just be a six-year-old girl, but is
• 59:41
  basically wanting to roleplay pedophilia, you know, to be
• 59:46
  quote, unquote, molested by older biker men.
• 59:49
  That is, the clear-cut case of mental illness.
• 59:53
  But we have a society that we've allowed to get so rampant and
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  out of control. We're no longer allowed to call
• 1:00:01
  these things. A mental illness.
• 1:00:03
  We have to call it an accepted part of life, right.
• 1:00:06
  This is who they are and the more and more we go along with
• 1:00:11
  the status quo and we refuse to call a mental illness and mental
• 1:00:15
  illness which would allow for treatment and counseling.
• 1:00:19
  And we start going along with it and and plan along the roll.
• 1:00:23
  It's just going to progress and get much worse.
• 1:00:27
  When we do this political correctness game that people are
• 1:00:30
  going along with, does it not hurt the person who's mentally
• 1:00:34
  ill, and the process to basically encourage and endorse
• 1:00:38
  the behaviors and allow people to violate manipulate and take
• 1:00:42
  advantage of someone who's in that state.
• 1:00:45
  I mean, there used to be a time in the last 20 years of me
• 1:00:49
  existing on this disgusting gross planet.
• 1:00:52
  Where if a person In problems they could go get therapy.
• 1:00:56
  Supposedly there was a person that you could go to and talk to
• 1:01:00
  about issues or forget some kind of psychiatric help.
• 1:01:04
  And it seems like a lot of people are dealing with weird
• 1:01:07
  stuff like this with relationships and let's face.
• 1:01:10
  It, Proverbs marriages are already hard enough.
• 1:01:13
  We don't need all this extra baggage and craziness to just
• 1:01:18
  completely bend it to the point that breaks.
• 1:01:21
  What do you think, Rosie? The answer to your question is.
• 1:01:26
  Yes, yeah, no. It's it's awful.
• 1:01:31
  It's it's now, the philosophy is truth is subjective your truth
• 1:01:38
  and you can be whatever you imagine you can be and it just
• 1:01:45
  feeds the Flesh of self-indulgence.
• 1:01:49
  You don't want responsibilities, you don't want to have to take
• 1:01:52
  Take care of people. Find I can just believe whatever
• 1:01:56
  I want to self. Indulge you know be the the
• 1:01:59
  scriptures say that people are going to love pleasure more than
• 1:02:03
  they're going to love God and God's whole you know, his
• 1:02:10
  schematic or his drawing is a beautiful plan for for his
• 1:02:17
  creation and there's a depravity.
• 1:02:22
  And a delusion that it just seems to me that he is giving
• 1:02:28
  them over because so many are rejecting the truth.
• 1:02:34
  And there's I think it's really sad, like what you're saying,
• 1:02:39
  it's you have to affirm it now. And if you don't, then you're in
• 1:02:45
  danger of violating or losing your job where and I if I'm not
• 1:02:52
  mistaken I think a lot of these people there's the there's a
• 1:02:55
  higher rate of suicide and depression in the Seas.
• 1:03:01
  They're not even, they're not even friends anymore, you know
• 1:03:07
  like you can be a dog, you know, children and In classrooms, I
• 1:03:14
  believe it was California there, you know, they have to affirm a
• 1:03:17
  child who believes she's a cat, and there's a litter box in the
• 1:03:20
  classroom. And if you try to tell the
• 1:03:24
  teacher or somebody tries to tell her that that she's not a
• 1:03:27
  kitty cat, that she's a human being and she's there to learn
• 1:03:31
  the teacher can get fired. I mean, what kind of society
• 1:03:36
  where their brain has literally fallen out of their head?
• 1:03:40
  You know, I know whenever I was true, Virtually, nobody
• 1:03:43
  Christianity, Rosary. I had a hard time grasping the
• 1:03:47
  idea that the world could be so dark and so polluted that one
• 1:03:52
  day, some Antichrist comes and is able to convince people.
• 1:03:57
  I guess I underestimated the ignorance and stupidity of
• 1:04:00
  humanity. How could the people actually
• 1:04:03
  allow a mark to be taken or, you know, dissing Val, God and do
• 1:04:07
  all these things. I remember transitioning
• 1:04:09
  thinking is that even possible for that to happen.
• 1:04:12
  But now I live in a day and age where I'm being told what I'm
• 1:04:15
  able to say how I'm supposed to act.
• 1:04:18
  How am I supposed to behave? How I'm supposed to answer
• 1:04:21
  phone? Yada, yada yada all the way down
• 1:04:23
  the line of things that are not only spiritually wrong, but
• 1:04:28
  scientifically wrong and now it all makes sense.
• 1:04:32
  I think that you guys might be right about a lot of what you
• 1:04:35
  said tonight. It's just shocking stuff.
• 1:04:39
  Shocking cult. Yeah.
• 1:04:42
  And if I could Add to that. Brett it actually makes perfect
• 1:04:45
  sense where we're at today, right?
• 1:04:48
  Because take the institution of marriage.
• 1:04:50
  The institution of marriage is an institution that was designed
• 1:04:55
  by God with the boundaries that he set himself which are the
• 1:05:00
  keys to a successful, happy marriage, right.
• 1:05:03
  But we are in a society where we deem the laws of God as
• 1:05:07
  oppressive, we deem that relationship with God and
• 1:05:11
  obedience to God as a form of slavery.
• 1:05:14
  So we trick ourselves into thinking that separating
• 1:05:18
  ourselves as a culture. From God is liberating
• 1:05:22
  ourselves, but all were really doing is kicking dirt over the
• 1:05:26
  boundaries that he's set. And once you do that, of course,
• 1:05:30
  you're going to mess up the institution that he designed,
• 1:05:32
  because you're trying to live outside of his will for that
• 1:05:35
  institution, and he set up those boundaries to make that
• 1:05:39
  institution Thrive. So, when we take Take all of his
• 1:05:43
  principles away from it. Of course, it's not going to
• 1:05:46
  succeed and I'm really surprised actually that were not more
• 1:05:51
  worse off already than we are although just hang on because in
• 1:05:55
  the blink of an eye will probably be caught up to where,
• 1:05:58
  you know, we would all think we would be Yeah, I've been asked
• 1:06:02
  by some folks out there, especially non-believers, they
• 1:06:06
  throw this up, they say, why is it in America?
• 1:06:09
  If it's a Christian Nation? Why does it seem like there's so
• 1:06:12
  many people who are religious, who are falling in the divorce
• 1:06:16
  and all these issues? I mean, my goodness, in case of
• 1:06:19
  these people are blind, and they're not seeing what's
• 1:06:21
  happening. There's a lot of folks who feel
• 1:06:24
  intimidated and pressured by society, and by their family,
• 1:06:27
  and their jobs aren't how they have to act.
• 1:06:30
  Now, they have to behave from what you were saying.
• 1:06:33
  Proverbs, it seems to me on a philosophical level.
• 1:06:36
  The more you erase God out of existence in doing, so you're
• 1:06:40
  erasing parts of yourself and your own rationality and logic
• 1:06:44
  and the process and the more God Fades away, the more you become
• 1:06:48
  non-existent Yeah, that now, that's absolutely.
• 1:06:54
  That's absolutely true Bret. The more we separate ourselves
• 1:07:00
  from God and His will, and his designs, the worse, it's going
• 1:07:04
  to get You got something to add Rosie, not a whole lot, he
• 1:07:11
  really hit the nail on the head with that.
• 1:07:13
  I was like yeah, that's you. What you're saying?
• 1:07:16
  Is exactly right. You know, that's all I had.
• 1:07:22
  Yeah. Powerful.
• 1:07:27
  So is there anything anyone else would like to add?
• 1:07:30
  Or anybody have an opinion on this?
• 1:07:32
  I was listening to you earlier rosary and I agree with Proverbs
• 1:07:36
  on this. I don't think that any woman or
• 1:07:39
  man should stay in a relationship where they're being
• 1:07:41
  abused, not just physically but if you're in a relationship
• 1:07:45
  where someone is abusing you mentally and spiritually and all
• 1:07:48
  that and you really feel like it's tearing you down, it's
• 1:07:51
  breaking your heart and nothing that you say, nothing that
• 1:07:55
  you've tried. Whether it's some kind of
• 1:07:57
  marriage counseling or going to your priest or preacher.
• 1:08:00
  And the case of the non-believer, whatever
• 1:08:03
  convention you go to or whoever you're talking to, if it's
• 1:08:07
  simply not working out, I don't believe that God wants you to be
• 1:08:10
  tormented on Earth and go through.
• 1:08:12
  Just absolute the discrepancies and pain to make your existence
• 1:08:17
  unbearable. God represents himself as love.
• 1:08:23
  And that having a bad marriage and setting in it.
• 1:08:26
  And basically binding yourself to something that's going to
• 1:08:29
  harm you. I cannot possibly imagine that
• 1:08:32
  is what an all-knowing all-loving all-powerful, God
• 1:08:35
  would do and he anything else you guys want to share?
• 1:08:40
  Yeah I would just like to to briefly point out.
• 1:08:44
  So the literal you know, when you ask people like you know
• 1:08:48
  Christians the definition of sin, they often give you all
• 1:08:52
  kinds of various Answers of what the definition of sin is, but
• 1:08:55
  the literal definition of sin is transgression of the law.
• 1:09:00
  And I'm not trying to say that we're in bondage under the law
• 1:09:03
  anymore, but those principles still apply.
• 1:09:07
  If you want to know how to get to the root of what sin is, we
• 1:09:12
  still have the format. We still have the guidelines of
• 1:09:15
  what Sin is Sin. Is transgression of God's laws.
• 1:09:19
  Specifically the laws that Moses gave us And we have to start
• 1:09:26
  embracing that to understand where we're going wrong.
• 1:09:30
  That that's for starters. So take Moses, like if you're in
• 1:09:36
  an abusive relationship, your spouse is abusing.
• 1:09:38
  You Moses gave guidelines for you to get out of that.
• 1:09:41
  Now again that's not what God desires all the time but it is
• 1:09:46
  something that God allowed and if like say, you're married to a
• 1:09:52
  husband and Husband is addicted to pornography and as a side
• 1:09:56
  effect of that, he's neglecting you and various marital ways,
• 1:10:01
  then that's adultery. Ear husband is committing
• 1:10:04
  adultery. So if he refuses to give up
• 1:10:07
  pornography and start paying attention to you, you're not in
• 1:10:12
  bondage to him. If he's going to keep ignoring,
• 1:10:14
  you like, God does not desire people to be alone inside a
• 1:10:18
  marriage. God does not desire for someone
• 1:10:20
  to be abused inside a marriage. You know, that spouse in those
• 1:10:25
  situations, the the spouse who's in the wrong has already broke
• 1:10:29
  the vows, they've already set it into motion.
• 1:10:32
  So, I just want people out there to understand, like you're not
• 1:10:36
  stuck being beat every day. You're not stuck being neglected
• 1:10:39
  every day. You know, God designed people
• 1:10:43
  with these sexual urges, the sexual needs to be fulfilled,
• 1:10:47
  which is why he gave us spouses, you know, God designed sex and
• 1:10:51
  he designed sex to be. Fun and enjoyable.
• 1:10:54
  And it's something that we actually long for all he did is
• 1:10:57
  set up guidelines for sex. It's supposed to be within the
• 1:11:01
  institutional marriage but within that institution, he
• 1:11:05
  wants you to enjoy it. He doesn't want you to be
• 1:11:07
  neglected of it and even if your and I agree with everything
• 1:11:12
  proverb set on that, and for people out there who may not be
• 1:11:15
  Christian, who may be non believers here?
• 1:11:18
  We refuse to obey God's laws. You got to think about it, like
• 1:11:22
  this, whenever It comes to pornography while you're
• 1:11:24
  actually married or even in a relationship or engaged.
• 1:11:28
  What would you imagine if you were to come home to be with
• 1:11:31
  your wife? You walked in the room?
• 1:11:33
  And you see this, she's looking at other men or women or
• 1:11:36
  whatever the case might be, and she's gratifying herself in some
• 1:11:41
  way while she knows that she's involved with you.
• 1:11:44
  The first question that you're going to ask yourself whether
• 1:11:47
  you're the natural man or a spiritual man or woman.
• 1:11:50
  Is why is the person doing this for my now?
• 1:11:53
  Enough. Do I not give this person
• 1:11:56
  enough? Do I not give them my soul and
• 1:11:58
  my body and my heart? If I not given them everything
• 1:12:02
  for this marriage to actually work, why do they need this
• 1:12:05
  woman on the screen? Why do they need this?
• 1:12:08
  Am I not pleasing them? It basically, what you're doing
• 1:12:12
  is you're demoralizing and devaluing your partner.
• 1:12:16
  Whether you believe in God or not, that's exactly what's going
• 1:12:19
  to happen. Anybody within a common sense
• 1:12:22
  but I have to wonder why you would do that, instead of Simply
• 1:12:25
  go in the other room and be with them.
• 1:12:28
  Go ahead. Yeah, absolutely Brett.
• 1:12:32
  And another interesting point that I'd like to just bring up
• 1:12:35
  while we're on the topic of pornography and I'm not 100%
• 1:12:39
  sure how the conversation evolved their but pornography is
• 1:12:42
  absolutely something that affects the body of Christ
• 1:12:45
  because it's so addictive and so many people are in bondage to
• 1:12:49
  it. For one, you know, there's two
• 1:12:51
  aspects of adultery and the scriptures.
• 1:12:54
  If you are married and you sleep with someone who's not your
• 1:12:57
  spouse, You have committed adultery and if you're single
• 1:13:02
  and you sleep with someone else's spells, you've committed
• 1:13:06
  adultery, I just read a recent article that 30% of porn stars
• 1:13:13
  are actually married. So, if a man has watched 10
• 1:13:19
  different pornography, flicks throughout his life, three of
• 1:13:23
  those flicks, you've watched of a married woman, statistically
• 1:13:28
  speaking. Aching.
• 1:13:28
  So not only are you committing adultery against your spouse but
• 1:13:33
  you're also committing adultery with the woman you're watching
• 1:13:36
  on your screen. So that's double adultery and
• 1:13:39
  that again would release someone from bondage, if that's
• 1:13:43
  something you're struggling with and I'm in no way saying that if
• 1:13:46
  your spouse is struggling with that, you should just toss in
• 1:13:49
  the towel and walk away. Like that's not at all.
• 1:13:52
  What Christ desires he desires for us to have fruitful
• 1:13:56
  relationships and to work through?
• 1:13:58
  Bangs. And if you really love your
• 1:14:00
  spouse, you will give it all the effort.
• 1:14:02
  You can try praying and fasting. Like there's so many things that
• 1:14:07
  we can attempt to try to break those patterns, and try to heal
• 1:14:11
  our marriage. But like if you're with someone
• 1:14:14
  and ten years down the road they still won't break that habit and
• 1:14:19
  pay that attention to you. You're not just stuck forever.
• 1:14:23
  So that's something that you should think about and pray
• 1:14:26
  about and try to try to let The holy spirit guide you on on
• 1:14:30
  what's best for your situation and hopefully the outcome with
• 1:14:35
  letting the holy spirit guide you and being prayerful on it.
• 1:14:38
  And also fasting is that God will step in with divine
• 1:14:42
  intervention and miraculously heal your marriage, which, you
• 1:14:46
  know, it is common, it's just work and faith.
• 1:14:50
  One of the reasons why we got into the topics of all these
• 1:14:54
  different things. Folks was, this is some of the
• 1:14:56
  nature of why marriages and relationships and up falling
• 1:15:00
  apart. People don't feel like they can
• 1:15:02
  trust your partner anymore. They don't feel like they have a
• 1:15:05
  good protector or they feel like the protectors become a predator
• 1:15:09
  or someone who's harmful or abusive and all that.
• 1:15:13
  And that's the reason why all this stuff is come around and
• 1:15:16
  these many different topics that we bring up a lot of this stuff
• 1:15:19
  is absolutely. Willie devastating to the point
• 1:15:22
  where not only can a person have a marriage or a relationship but
• 1:15:26
  they won't even be friends at the end of it all.
• 1:15:28
  It's that destructive that devastating so that's pretty
• 1:15:33
  much really all I have to say unless you do have some more you
• 1:15:36
  want to share, or you have some Bible verses, there was someone
• 1:15:40
  out here who had asked this question.
• 1:15:42
  Hebrew are mr. Proverbs that you might be able
• 1:15:45
  to answer since you had a Hebrew.
• 1:15:46
  Father, you see it? Yeah, no.
• 1:15:51
  Any calls divorce? I'm not I'm not familiar with
• 1:15:56
  maybe if maybe if Luke could offer some more context.
• 1:16:00
  I could I could offer some interpretation but just off that
• 1:16:05
  one term. No, I'm unfamiliar with it, I'm
• 1:16:07
  sorry. Rose you got anything else for
• 1:16:14
  us. Well, I think that our wonderful
• 1:16:22
  voices is put her to sleep this gracious.
• 1:16:26
  Well, I like usual, ladies and gentlemen, if you're like, we
• 1:16:30
  said in the video before, which is anybody out there on our last
• 1:16:35
  show who's feeling suicidal are you feeling lonely and you feel
• 1:16:39
  like you need a friend, were there for you being Proverbs?
• 1:16:42
  We both have YouTube channels, you can contact us and various
• 1:16:45
  different ways. Just check the links in the
• 1:16:47
  description if you feel like your marriage.
• 1:16:49
  Having issues or trouble, but you don't have the money to go
• 1:16:53
  pay somebody a hundred bucks an hour to listen to you.
• 1:16:55
  Both scream at each other. You need somebody to talk to her
• 1:16:58
  there for you. Just get a hold of us, contact
• 1:17:01
  us. And we'll do what we can.
• 1:17:03
  We are not like professional psychiatrist or a therapist and
• 1:17:07
  all that. But we are capable of being your
• 1:17:09
  pal, your friend, anything else, folks.
• 1:17:13
  I think Rose went to sleep. Hopefully, she had a pillow
• 1:17:15
  under her when she went down. I did it.
• 1:17:18
  I was talking to you. And you and and you were muted.
• 1:17:23
  Oh, what's up? What were you gonna say Rose?
• 1:17:25
  I was looking for the question that Steve was going to answer.
• 1:17:30
  And and that's part of why I didn't see the mute on, in the
• 1:17:34
  chat. What was the question?
• 1:17:37
  Oh no, you did, what I've done is.
• 1:17:41
  Sometimes those are the best ones.
• 1:17:44
  I'll go ahead and put the question up again for you.
• 1:17:47
  The question is from Lou, whatever.
• 1:17:49
  Is the last name is talking about the Hebrew culture.
• 1:17:53
  Is anybody familiar with and any cause for divorce?
• 1:17:57
  He's basically wondering what are the causes that you can get
• 1:18:01
  out of a marriage and go for a divorce.
• 1:18:04
  If you have to in Hebrew, I would imagine it.
• 1:18:08
  Would he you're talking about the Old Testament and it would
• 1:18:12
  be what we've been discussing is that not correct?
• 1:18:16
  Why? The way the question was framed,
• 1:18:19
  I feel like They're looking for something very specific, but
• 1:18:22
  yeah, if they're looking for reasons that you were allowed to
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  be divorced in the Hebrew culture and like the times of
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  Moses, it would be adultery and it would be abuse.
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  But also it goes on beyond that. If a husband was not financially
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  caring for his wife if she was having to live in the streets
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  and go starving because her husband To be a provider that
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  was a third reason for divorce and there were a couple other
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  reasons. This is a, this is a reason why
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  I like to often Point Christians back to the Old Testament and
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  not even to put you like under Old Testament laws but it just
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  offers a lot of context which really helps clear up the New
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  Testament. You know, the New Testament is a
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  compliment and a Fulfillment of the Old Testament.
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  And if you've never read or examined, the Old Testament, to
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  know what those laws are. You're missing like half of the
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  reasoning and purpose of the New Testament.
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  It really does help clarify like how to be a Christian what it
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  means to be a Christian like it just answer so many questions so
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  I would strongly advise everyone.
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  You know, even the Old Testament can be intimidating because It's
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  very large, it's like think just over two quarters or 2/3 of the
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  Bible but even just start off with the Torah.
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  The first five books of the Bible, it will answer so many
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  questions that Christians struggle with because the New
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  Testament can sometimes be a little vague when answering
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  these questions and that's because they really just
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  reference back to the Old Testament.
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  But if you don't have a solid foundation and the Old
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  Testament, you are going to be confused when it comes to some
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  of the New Testament. So I would I would advise
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  everybody to go check out at least the first five books of
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  the Bible. Yeah I would I would definitely
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  agree with you Steve because Jesus is speaking to a Jewish
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  audience most of the time and they already understand the
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  Torah. So there is a in context and a
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  hermeneutics. That often Jesus is pointing us
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  back to understand, especially as Gentiles, who have no context
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  and unless we read the Old Testament and understand it.
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  I'm Nev definitely not a, you know, a law Thumper.
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  And I try not to be a bible thumper, but you know, it pays
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  to understand for a four-year relationship with God and how
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  your relationship with others is. it pays to understand the
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  Hebrew or Jewish mindset in which, Our Savior was the
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  cultivated the cultivated plant in which we are grafted into
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  Yeah, that was beautifully summed up Rosie.
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  And also I think that a lot of a lot of Protestants especially
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  our maybe you know, just a little disenchanted with the Old
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  Testament because they specifically love the story of
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  Jesus and the apostles and I agree.
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  I absolutely love the New Testament.
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  It's the most beautiful thing ever written, but you would
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  really be surprised of how many times Christ is referenced all
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  throughout. The entire Old Testament, even
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  from the Garden of Eden, when man sends and the ram is taken,
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  and God kills the RAM and uses the Skins to cover up the
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  nakedness, right? The mark of our sin, that is the
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  very first foreshadow in the scriptures of Christ.
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  Jesus. And there are so many of those
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  four Shadows of Christ. Jesus in the Old Testament, I
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  mean, In the entire Old Testament is pointing to Christ.
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  And, you know, if you have a very firm solid foundation in
• 1:22:48
  the New Testament, you'll appreciate the Old Testament
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  even more because on almost every single page.
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  But at least every chapter and every book you'll see Christ in
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  it again and again and again and it will actually blow your mind.
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  It's it's, it's it's oh, I opening.
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  Yeah. Even Even I don't mean to get
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  off topic but the very first word of the Hebrew Bible is
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  bereshit. In the beginning, God created
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  and within just that first word, there is a prophecy,
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  foreshadowing, his crucifixion, and it's called back in
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  Revelation, where Jesus says, I am the Alpha and the Omega.
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  When, where, if you actually look, you know, and the
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  beginning in the end and the Paleo Hebrew word heard it in
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  there. It's out.
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  It's the Olive and the top of the Paleo Hebrew, The Olive and
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  the top of create, what you said.
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  The ram is the shape of a Rams Head And across and you put
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  those together and it is the ram that was sacrificed.
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  That's yeah. Word in the Hebrew Bible in the
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  original paleo-hebrew context. Yeah.
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  And there are so many of those connections like in the New
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  Testament when Jesus says I am and they all run to pick up
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  rocks because they want to Stone him.
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  That's because he's literally declaring that.
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  He is God because all the people who are being addressed and
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  talked about in the New Testament, like Rosie mentioned
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  earlier, these are Jews. In Hebrews, they have a solid
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  foundation in the Torah and the prophets and the writings, the
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  Old Testament and they're well aware that when Moses asks, God,
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  who should I tell them that you are?
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  Like, they're going to want to know your name.
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  God he says tell them. I am in the Jews knew this this
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  was not a New Concept to them. This was not hidden knowledge,
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  it was very well-known knowledge.
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  I am so when Jesus did Glared well, I am he was letting them
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  know because he knew that they already understood who I am is
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  he was telling them. I am God.
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  Yeah, he's saying I am the one that Moses spoke to folks were
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  getting, like, way way off topic and where I want to, I want to
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  put it out there again and remind people that if folks want
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  to give us some suggestions and topics to cover in the Bible as
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  well as spiritual. From all that, that would be
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  great. I'd like you to in a little bit
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  to be able to plug your channels where people can find you all
• 1:25:53
  that kind of stuff. And for anybody that may want to
• 1:25:56
  know, since we didn't get any actual professional marriage
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  counselors in here, some people might ask.
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  Well Brett, what do you think? The solution is for a successful
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  marriage? Was least at least for me and my
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  wife we got to know each other for a couple of years before we
• 1:26:12
  actually decide to tie the knot. We One thing that you'll know if
• 1:26:17
  the love is going to work, is does that person know everything
• 1:26:21
  about you do they know your darkest Secrets?
• 1:26:23
  Do they know the things that basically tickle you and make
• 1:26:28
  you happy and what it is? That your buttons are does this
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  person work on the same? Wavelength with you?
• 1:26:35
  Do you do you think that you can actually if you can be a friend
• 1:26:39
  with them then you could also you ever heard that song by
• 1:26:42
  Michael Bolton? How can we be lovers?
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  If we can't be friends, you sure to mean.
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  So get to know the person really good.
• 1:26:50
  Don't just jump into it because of sexual desires or because
• 1:26:54
  they seem interesting at the moment.
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  Really, really find out the dirt on the person that you're with
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  before you completely commit to that because you never know a
• 1:27:05
  couple years down the line. They might decide they're six
• 1:27:08
  years old and want to have relationship with bikers.
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  And you don't want that. Any last things you want to plug
• 1:27:14
  your channels, and Then we'll end it.
• 1:27:15
  So I'll just add really briefly before doing my my amazing plug
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  is that I would strongly advise you to not marry.
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  Someone unless they are your best friend because that's going
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  to make your marriage so much more.
• 1:27:32
  Not only successful, but enjoyable to spend every day on
• 1:27:37
  a very intimate level with someone who is your best friend.
• 1:27:41
  And I am Proverbs guy with the proverbs. 717 YouTube channel.
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  Go check out my interviews with people like Mary Nell Wyatt.
• 1:27:50
  Lee who has the widowed wife of Ron Wyatt.
• 1:27:54
  And also by the grace of God, I was blessed to be the co-host of
• 1:28:00
  God TV radio and I get to learn and participate in this thing
• 1:28:05
  with who I consider to be the absolute end, all king of
• 1:28:11
  podcast radios. So thank you so much, Brett for
• 1:28:14
  having Hidden sin, me and giving me that shot.
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  I really appreciate it and I can't.
• 1:28:20
  Thank God enough for letting me learn under Someone Like You.
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  Well, thank you for thinking thinking.
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  Well okay little Rosie. What do you got for us?
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  Wrap it up. My advice would be to number one
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  seek for someone who is a strong believer in the faith and seek
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  guidance through the scriptures and through the holy spirit.
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  Because if there's someone out there for you, God already knows
• 1:28:55
  ahead of time who it's going to be.
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  That's it I mean that's how I My husband got together.
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  And 16 years. Strong.
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  This past December.