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- Lucas: So we've talked about Treasury ladders before — back in episode 117 — but those were nominal Treasuries. Fixed payments that don't adjust for inflation. Luna: Right, and if you're retiring at 50 with potentially 40 years ahead, inflation is the biggest risk to those fixed payments. Lucas: Exactly. So today I want to talk about TIPS ladders. Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities. The principal adjusts with the Consumer Price Index, so your real purchasing power is preserved. Luna: And you can build a ladder of individual TIPS bonds that mature each year, creating a stream of inflation-adjusted income. Is that what we're digging into? Lucas: That's exactly it. Let's use a concrete example. Say a 50-year-old couple with a $1.2 million portfolio. They want to cover $40,000 a year in essential expenses — that's their floor — and let stocks handle the discretionary upside. Luna: So a 3.3 percent withdrawal rate on the essential side. That's conservative, but it gives them a bedrock of income. Lucas: Right. They could take $1.2 million and build a 30-year TIPS ladder that pays out $40,000 per year in real terms. The way it works is you buy individual TIPS bonds that mature in each year from 2027 through 2056. At maturity, you get the inflation-adjusted principal back, plus the coupon payments along the way. Luna: And the coupon is typically very low — right now around 1 to 2 percent real yield — but the principal adjustment is the real hedge. Lucas: Yes. So each year, the bond that matures gives you a lump sum. You spend that plus the coupons from the other bonds. The total is roughly your $40,000 target. Because the principal adjusts with CPI, your purchasing power is locked in. If inflation runs hot, the payout goes up dollar for dollar. Luna: So in a high-inflation scenario, like 5 percent for a few years, the TIPS ladder would actually pay out more — $42,000, $44,000 — while a nominal Treasury ladder would stay flat. That's a huge difference over time. Lucas: Massive. A 3 percent inflation rate over 20 years cuts purchasing power almost in half. So for the essential expense floor, TIPS are a natural fit. Luna: But building the ladder yourself — buying individual TIPS at auction or on the secondary market — that's a lot of work. You need 30 different bonds, and you have to manage reinvestment of coupons. Lucas: It is. But there are tools. The TreasuryDirect website lets you buy at auction. Or you can use a brokerage and buy on the secondary market. The trick is to match maturities to your spending years. And you don't have to do all 30 at once — you can build it gradually. Luna: Or you could use a TIPS ETF. But then you don't have a guaranteed maturity date. Lucas: Right. An ETF like SCHP or STIP gives you diversified exposure, but the price fluctuates with interest rates. If you need to sell in a rising rate environment, you could take a loss. With individual bonds held to maturity, you get the full inflation-adjusted principal back. Luna: So for someone who wants simplicity and doesn't mind the interest rate risk, an ETF could work. But the purist ladder approach is more precise. Lucas: Honestly, if this episode helps you think about your own retirement plan, that's exactly the kind of value we aim for. And if it was worth a coffee to you, that's the link — buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure, just a way to keep the show ad-free and focused on the details. Luna: Yeah, listener support is what lets us spend the extra hour researching these mechanics. We appreciate it. Lucas: So back to the ladder. One nuance: TIPS have what's called deflation protection. If we have deflation — very unlikely but possible — the principal adjustment can go negative. But at maturity, you're guaranteed to get back at least the original face value. So your nominal floor is protected. Luna: That's a nice feature. So even in a Japan-style scenario, you don't lose principal. But the real return could be zero or negative if deflation is sustained. Lucas: Right. And the real yield on TIPS right now is around 1.5 percent, which is historically decent. For years after 2008, real yields were negative. So today's environment is actually favorable for locking in a positive real return. Luna: So the couple in our example — if they lock in 1.5 percent real yield, their $40,000 in real income is sustainable for 30 years. And any leftover portfolio in equities can grow for legacy or unexpected expenses. Lucas: Exactly. They're basically creating a pension-like income stream. And the equities — say 30 percent of the portfolio — can sit in a total stock market index fund. Over 30 years, that should grow significantly, providing a buffer for healthcare or long-term care. Luna: What about taxes? TIPS interest is taxable at the federal level but exempt from state and local. And the inflation adjustment is also taxable each year, even though you don't receive it until maturity. That's called phantom income. Lucas: Great point. For a taxable account, that phantom income can be a nuisance. Many people hold TIPS in tax-advantaged accounts like an IRA or 401k. In our example, if the $1.2 million is in a traditional IRA, the TIPS ladder works perfectly — no tax drag. Luna: So ideally, your essential expense ladder is inside the IRA, and your equity growth is in a Roth or taxable account for tax efficiency. Lucas: Exactly. That's the barbell approach: TIPS ladder for the floor, equities for the ceiling. And the ladder itself can be built with a mix of 5, 10, and 30 year TIPS to avoid reinvestment risk from maturing bonds in a low-yield environment. Luna: But doesn't that get complicated? You have bonds maturing every year for 30 years. You have to decide what to do with the matured principal. If you don't need it all, you might buy more TIPS or reinvest in stocks. Lucas: It does require annual management. But for someone who wants to set and forget, there are managed ladder solutions. Some brokerages offer TIPS ladder building tools. Or you could use a target-date TIPS fund, though those are rare. Luna: I've also seen people combine TIPS ladders with a reverse mortgage or SPIA for additional longevity protection. But that's a different episode. Lucas: For sure. Today, the takeaway is: if you're worried about inflation eating away at your retirement income, a TIPS ladder is a powerful tool. It's not for everyone — you need enough assets to dedicate to the floor, and you need to be comfortable with the complexity. But for those who want certainty, it's hard to beat. Luna: And the current real yield environment makes it more attractive than it's been in over a decade. So if you're on the fence, now might be a good time to look at it. Lucas: Next episode, we'll talk about how to integrate a TIPS ladder with a variable withdrawal strategy — because you don't have to spend exactly the ladder payout. You can let it compound and reinvest. But that's for next time.