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How To Quit The 9-5 Grind · Two Broke Chicks

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Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land, Always was, always
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Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land.
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Speaker 2: Hey cheeks, I'm sal and I'm our.
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Speaker 3: This is too Broke Chicks to show that shares life
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Speaker 3: lessons and tips to help make you rich in life.
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Speaker 3: And today we are joined by King Julian's mum and
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Speaker 3: former corporate queen Chloe Ah.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Thank you for fitting us in
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Speaker 2: your very busy schedule. I know I'm nervous.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, but I listened to the Pussycat
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Speaker 1: Dolls to calm me down.
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Speaker 3: So I'm I like your form of meditation. Before we
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Speaker 3: get into the questions, we love to start these episodes
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Speaker 3: with our life lesson of the week, So, as our
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Speaker 3: guest of honor, would you like to share your life lesson.
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Speaker 2: Of the week.
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Speaker 3: It can be big or small, oh, silly, serious, whatever
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Speaker 3: you'd like.
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Speaker 2: No, mind's serious. Let's go earnestly.
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Speaker 1: Life's too short. Oh that's how I determine everything you
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Speaker 1: want to spend money?
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Speaker 2: Life too short? Yes? Yes, quit your job. Life's too
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Speaker 2: short to be crying? Yes. So that's literally feeled me
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Speaker 2: this year.
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Speaker 1: I think that's like the mantry you have to have
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Speaker 1: with like any moment in life that you're like what
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Speaker 1: the fuck is going and you're like it's fine.
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Speaker 3: Life too short, Yeah, yeah, and it goes so quickly
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Speaker 3: as well, Like if you think five years ago the
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Speaker 3: things that you were stressing about then, like I don't
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Speaker 3: even remember all those things are so insignificant and it
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Speaker 3: goes so quickly.
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Speaker 1: That's like an interpretation of that which has led to
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Speaker 1: every one of my most disgustingly hungover days is when
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Speaker 1: we have like something one the next day we've accidentally
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Speaker 1: tripped and fallen into a bar, and I'm like, we
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Speaker 1: have to go home, like we're going to be hungover
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Speaker 1: in It's.
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Speaker 2: Just one day. It's just it's just one. It's just
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Speaker 2: one day. And then we wake up.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the longest day. And she's probably
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Speaker 1: like fucking vomiting and she's like, it's just one.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, that sours. What's your life lesson of the week?
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Speaker 2: Oh my god?
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Speaker 3: Okay, minds boring in comparison, but actually I shouldn't belittle it.
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Speaker 3: But it's a little bit more practical and something that
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Speaker 3: I stumbled across this week. Did you know that there
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Speaker 3: is a currency converter in the calculator on the iPhone.
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Speaker 3: Prior to this, I'd always been downloading a third party
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Speaker 3: app and using that.
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Speaker 2: But in the bottom left hand.
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Speaker 3: Corner on the calculator on your iPhone, there's a little
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Speaker 3: calculator symbol you press that it has like a scientific
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Speaker 3: calculator in there, some sort of other mathematic calculator, but
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Speaker 3: it also has a.
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Speaker 1: Currency converted your summer girlies and everyone going to Japan.
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Speaker 2: Oh come on now, come on, are you starting your head?
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Speaker 2: All right?
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Speaker 1: You guys are strong English major? Yea, my life lesson
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Speaker 1: of the week. What did I learn this week? So
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Speaker 1: I went back to laser hair removal. Okay, I feel
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Speaker 1: like laser hair.
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Speaker 2: Removal last year was having a smear campaign.
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Speaker 1: Everyone was like, is laser hair removal a scam? And
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Speaker 1: so like, because they're like, why have I had like
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Speaker 1: ten sessions and it's not working?
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Speaker 2: And I definitely there are parts of it that I
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Speaker 2: agree to you, because.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I have had ten sessions and I
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Speaker 1: definitely am still growing hair. But I was like, it
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Speaker 1: definitely does lessen the amount of hair.
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Speaker 2: Have you had laser?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm obsessed with laser Yeah. The tenth session thing
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Speaker 1: is a scam. Yeah, but once you hit the number
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Speaker 1: that you need, I don't ever need to shave anymore.
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Speaker 2: It's the best thing ever. Yeah, I've been shaved in years.
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Speaker 1: See I'm Italian, and I feel like my number is
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Speaker 1: going to be like eighty. But I went and I
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Speaker 1: it fucking is not like it doesn't tickle.
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Speaker 2: But even now, like normally, if I.
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Speaker 1: Shave, I have to like shave literally like the next day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it definitely has slowed it.
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Speaker 1: So I think I'm going to be on a neutral
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Speaker 1: campaign to investigate the laser hair removal. I also do
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Speaker 1: have really dark hair, so I feel like it for
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Speaker 1: me ages. I didn't mind my early twenty three ages,
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Speaker 1: and now I'm good. The only problem is with the
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Speaker 1: under arms. They'll do it and then you forget to
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Speaker 1: shave right, shave it all anymore, and then I'll realize
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Speaker 1: that because one part of the laser hasn't has been missed.
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Speaker 2: So then I'll have just so long and then I go, oh,
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Speaker 2: it's so embarrassing.
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Speaker 3: Let's get into the juicy stuff of the episode. So, Chloe,
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Speaker 3: earlier this year you quit your job, Yes, can you
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Speaker 3: tell us about that experience?
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Speaker 2: What led you to it and the emotional journey that.
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Speaker 1: Got Okay, let's turn this around and let's be a
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Speaker 1: bit emo.
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Speaker 2: So my favorite, honestly, it.
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Speaker 1: Was definitely a journey I earlier last year was there
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Speaker 1: was a situation at work. I then realized, what was
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Speaker 1: the point in caring so much about this job, putting
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Speaker 1: so much time and energy into it.
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Speaker 2: Clearly team environment, we're not really a team.
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Speaker 1: We're looking out for ourselves, which is like, no shit, Chloe,
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Speaker 1: a corporate company.
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Speaker 2: They don't care about you.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, yes, I know, but maybe I was
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Speaker 1: just a little bit naive that we all care about
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Speaker 1: each other.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's naive it all. I'm a community,
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Speaker 2: I'm a team person. That's a very normal thing to want.
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Speaker 2: That is what it should be, like, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: And also when you're working so hard to part of
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Speaker 3: you would also be telling yourself this is something this
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Speaker 3: is appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: They appreciate it. We're all working towards the same goal. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, So then something happened earlier in the year and
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Speaker 1: then I just felt like I wasn't supported and then
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Speaker 1: that switched for me, and then I ended up becoming
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Speaker 1: my confidence just got cheersled away at work. So I'm
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Speaker 1: definitely someone that needs compliments every now and then. I
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Speaker 1: don't need a lot loads of affirmation, but I just
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Speaker 1: need I think in any work environment, you can't be
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Speaker 1: told your shit all the time. You always need something
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Speaker 1: to be like, oh, yeah, that was a good piece
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Speaker 1: of work. And I was producing like.
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Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of hours for this.
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Speaker 1: Company, and then so I was starting to just feel
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Speaker 1: like shit. And then it turned into me crying every
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Speaker 1: day in the bathrooms. I was dreading going into the office,
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Speaker 1: and I've never dreaded going into work before. I'm someone
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Speaker 1: that's always loved work. It's a big part of who
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Speaker 1: I am. So then that switched. And then in order
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Speaker 1: to survive the corporate environment I was in, I had
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Speaker 1: to disassociate. So I basically just was there to survive
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Speaker 1: until the end of the year. And then things all
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Speaker 1: blew up, essentially, and I grabbed my laptop and I
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Speaker 1: left and I never spoke to anyone in the.
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Speaker 2: Team every again. How did that feel? It was good?
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Speaker 1: I took a self in the left with all my
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Speaker 1: like with my ice smocker, and I was like, literally
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Speaker 1: I ran into a taxi.
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Speaker 2: I said go, Go go, and I spilt.
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Speaker 1: I spilt my ice smoker all over my white Scanland dress,
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Speaker 1: which I clearly.
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Speaker 2: Don't need anymore. I have sold all my corporate clothes.
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Speaker 3: Up.
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Speaker 2: Oh it did?
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Speaker 1: I sold everything? I think I had like forty five
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Speaker 1: packages to shift out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So then I quit and now I'm free. Oh
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Speaker 2: so good.
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Speaker 1: What was like the quitting process, like like how did
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Speaker 1: you kind of.
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Speaker 2: Get there emotionally in terms?
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Speaker 1: And then like what was it like did you just
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Speaker 1: go fuck this, I'm out?
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Speaker 2: Or did you do like I was a letter.
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Speaker 1: No, I was planning on properly residing once I got
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Speaker 1: my bonus. I was really holding out because in the industry,
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Speaker 1: I'm in, your bonus is a big chunk of your
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Speaker 1: salary and that is why your fueled to work so hard. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they kind of hold the bonus so the carhead and
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Speaker 1: it's like a lot of the time you rarely get
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Speaker 1: that full bonus anyway, So I was holding out for
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Speaker 1: it and then we had a meeting and they just
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Speaker 1: were attacking me on like having a business and blah
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Speaker 1: blah blah, and I just like, honestly I lost it
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Speaker 1: at them. I just was like, I wasn't planning on
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Speaker 1: ever saying how how bad they treated me and giving
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Speaker 1: feedback because they're a team that it's a team environment
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Speaker 1: that will never change, and you're like very male dominated,
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Speaker 1: very senior heavy, and I just know egos are at
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Speaker 1: play and no one will change the way they behave.
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Speaker 1: So I wasn't going to say anything, but I was like,
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Speaker 1: if you're attacking me, stuff this and I just let
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Speaker 1: it rip. I go And I was sick of being
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Speaker 1: told I'm a piece of shit. You guys have chiseled
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Speaker 1: away my confidence. I have never cried at work before ever.
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Speaker 1: This is the only because another thing is they just
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Speaker 1: would have gone off and been like, oh, she's weak,
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Speaker 1: she couldn't compet, she couldn't deal with the team environment,
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Speaker 1: she couldn't deal with a high performing team. And it's like, bullshit,
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Speaker 1: yes I can. I'm sorry, I'm Asian, I'm made for
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Speaker 1: this shit. This is who I am. But like, you can't.
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Speaker 2: Treat people like shit and expect them to still good
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Speaker 2: performing on you.
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Speaker 1: I just yeah, I said everything I wanted and then
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Speaker 1: I said okay, and then they were like, we're going
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Speaker 1: to have to give you hush money to shut you up,
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Speaker 1: and I said I'll think about it, and then I
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Speaker 1: got up and literally left, and that's when I grabbed
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Speaker 1: my shit and left.
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Speaker 3: I can't believe they even pose that to you, And
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Speaker 3: I can completely understand the internal.
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Speaker 2: Battle that you would have had, being like do I
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Speaker 2: take it? Oh?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I honestly wouldn't blame anybody if they did
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Speaker 3: take it in this economy. But also I just can't
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Speaker 3: believe they had the goal to offer that to you,
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Speaker 3: and good for you.
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Speaker 1: I think they kind of underestimated, like I was a
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Speaker 1: broken person by the time I quit.
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Speaker 2: I had no emotional capacity.
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Speaker 1: I was very weak, and to be honest, like I
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Speaker 1: waited a month before speaking about it on TikTok, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: just because I had to deal with everything myself and
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Speaker 1: feel comfortable enough.
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Speaker 2: And so I don't think they thought.
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Speaker 1: I had the strength to speak about it and then
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Speaker 1: I would have a story to say. They probably in
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Speaker 1: their eyes they were like, oh, yeah, it's just part
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Speaker 1: of working this industry. Yeah, she got treated like shit,
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Speaker 1: that's that's it.
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Speaker 2: Fun. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think there's such a shift as well happening, which
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Speaker 1: is really amazing because in so many industries, I would
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Speaker 1: say majority, there's just this tone of being like, well,
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Speaker 1: if you want to work in this industry, you've just
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Speaker 1: got to put up with it, I know, And you've
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Speaker 1: just got to deal with it, especially in.
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Speaker 2: My dominated industries.
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Speaker 1: And I feel like there is this shift coming that
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Speaker 1: people would like be more open and talking about it
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Speaker 1: because there's shame that you're like, maybe I'm not cut
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Speaker 1: out for it, like you said, like your confidence was.
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Speaker 1: I said to them in that final meeting, I said,
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Speaker 1: maybe I'm just not strong enough for this team. And
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Speaker 1: I wish I didn't say that because I am strong enough. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I actually said to them, I was to one
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Speaker 1: of the senior members, I said, you watched me bore
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Speaker 1: my eyes out. I've never cried before like that at work,
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Speaker 1: and you never once checked in on me. And he
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Speaker 1: was like, I didn't know how to handle it. And
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Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't have to, Like, as a managers,
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Speaker 1: that's your job, but secondly, as a human being, just
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Speaker 1: have some empathy. And I think sometimes that's where things
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Speaker 1: can get a little bit tricky. Yeah, man, do you
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Speaker 1: have any tips for like the chicks or people that
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Speaker 1: are in a male dominated industry and struggling to navigate
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Speaker 1: that and their confidence? Oh, that's tough because I feel
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Speaker 1: like my confidence just got chiseled down so much. I
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Speaker 1: was really good at it. I've always been a male
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Speaker 1: dominated teams. I've I've only ever had male managers, and
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Speaker 1: I've loved it in the past. I think you obviously
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Speaker 1: have to be quite a strong personality, yeah, and you
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Speaker 1: have to be able to stand up for yourself and
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Speaker 1: be very direct. And I am a direct personality, so
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Speaker 1: I thought I could cough it. But then eventually you
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Speaker 1: just get chiseled down. So and there's some sometimes that's
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Speaker 1: just like completely out of your control. Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 1: How have you kind of gone through the process of
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Speaker 1: like healing from that?
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Speaker 2: Are you still in the process? Still in the process.
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Speaker 1: I have struggled a lot with feeling like I've lost
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Speaker 1: everything I worked hard for. Like even last even last night,
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Speaker 1: my grandfather was like, well, what happens if the business
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Speaker 1: doesn't work your small business? I have a small business
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Speaker 1: with my roommate. And he was like, what HAPs if
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Speaker 1: the small business doesn't work out? What was the point
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Speaker 1: of your degree? What's the point of all that text it.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I already think that internally. I don't need
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Speaker 1: someone communicating that to me, like, I just need support
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Speaker 1: right now, because I've obviously thought all of those things,
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Speaker 1: like what was the point of working so hard through UNI,
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Speaker 1: through high school and then grinding the way I did
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Speaker 1: doing all those hours. I always thought those hours were
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Speaker 1: for something, and I've just walked away and now I'm
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Speaker 1: just a little old me that doesn't have a big
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Speaker 1: company attached to a name.
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Speaker 2: But you don't need it.
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Speaker 1: I think there's so much more power in what you're
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Speaker 1: doing now, especially like what every hour you're putting in
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Speaker 1: for yourself.
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Speaker 2: I do like that, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: And there's also that's like such a common thing and
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Speaker 1: we see it really often, especially with chicks at write
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Speaker 1: in of being like I've spent all this time on
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Speaker 1: this degree, or I've spent all this time in this
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Speaker 1: job or on this project or whatever it is, and
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Speaker 1: now it feels like a waste of time.
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Speaker 2: But it's not.
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Speaker 1: Like everything you would have learned so much as well
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Speaker 1: in that role.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that you can apply. I've also learned how not
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Speaker 2: to manage it.
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Speaker 3: Exactly, and what you don't want out of your career.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I also learned that obviously people work so hard for
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Speaker 1: these small incremental increases in salary, right, and it's just like,
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Speaker 1: what's the cost benefit really? Because I'm not I'm an
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Speaker 1: absent daughter, an absent granddaughter. I'll probably then be an
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Speaker 1: absent mom. Whatso I can send my kids to the
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Speaker 1: best schools, but emotionally they probably are going to be
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Speaker 1: a little bit fucked up.
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Speaker 2: So then what's the point.
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Speaker 1: I just I think I've reached a point where I
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Speaker 1: observed everything around me and I was like, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if it's.
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Speaker 2: Worth it anymore.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And apparently it is like a ten year
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Speaker 1: corporate thing. Once you do ten years in corporate Apparently,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, a lot of people have said this
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Speaker 1: to me. People it's kind of like a corporate crisis.
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Speaker 1: People reflect on what they're actually working hard for and
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Speaker 1: if it's worth it. Because you reach the point where, okay,
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Speaker 1: can I have a family in this environment? And the
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Speaker 1: thing is I probably couldn't, and I didn't want to be.
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Speaker 2: That type of person. I love it. It's like the
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Speaker 2: seven year itch like relationships. Apparently it gets like yeah,
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Speaker 2: and you're like, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Corporate it, but it sounds like you endured a lot
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Speaker 3: for a long time in this role.
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Speaker 2: Because it was very much ingrained in the culture of
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Speaker 2: the workplace.
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Speaker 3: For the chicks writing in asking this, how do you
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Speaker 3: know when it's time to move on from your role
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Speaker 3: or even from the industry that you're in.
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Speaker 1: I think when you're crying in the bathrooms every day,
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Speaker 1: it's a real turning point. I think I was sitting
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Speaker 1: there being like, this isn't worth it. Life's too short.
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Speaker 1: A job should not be making you that unhappy at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day. A job is a job,
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Speaker 1: and I think for some people that steer towards being
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Speaker 1: high achievers, their job is their whole personality.
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Speaker 2: It's a big part of who we are.
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Speaker 1: And then just pivoting and being like, no, a job
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Speaker 1: is to help me fund the lifestyle I want. It
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Speaker 1: is not who I am, and I'm so much more
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Speaker 1: than this job and this company.
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Speaker 2: It will work out.
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Speaker 1: I think it will go with the mentality that it
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Speaker 1: will work out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: And I think that mantra is so helpful that your
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Speaker 3: job is to fund your life. But do you have
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Speaker 3: any other tips on how to focus on things outside
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Speaker 3: of work to help you realize that there are so
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Speaker 3: many other important things in life beyond your career.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think family helped me a lot personally, just
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Speaker 1: because I was feeling like I had was rarely seeing
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Speaker 1: my siblings, my parents, my grandparents, and I just was
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Speaker 1: feeling like the shittest daughter ever, like always having to cancel,
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Speaker 1: never being able to see anyone. And then they were
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Speaker 1: so understanding to be like, yeah, we understand you're busy,
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Speaker 1: just don't stress, like focus on you, blah blah blah.
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Speaker 2: But I think that was really helping me to lead
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Speaker 2: me to.
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Speaker 1: The decision I made because I didn't want that type
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Speaker 1: of life where I wasn't seeing everyone. Again, life is
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Speaker 1: too short, so it made me redirect.
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Speaker 3: I think in priorities, I think that's so important because
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Speaker 3: having those things they won't ever change no matter what
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Speaker 3: job you're in or what's happening in life. Having those anchors, yes,
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Speaker 3: to really bring you back down is important. And knowing
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Speaker 3: what those things are so that you can go to
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Speaker 3: those people, yes, joy those.
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Speaker 1: Stat I also think travel helps a lot, Like I
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Speaker 1: did a trip to Mongolia, Yes, and this was like
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Speaker 1: off grid, no electricity, no running water, and I was
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Speaker 1: living with these indigenous reindeer herders, and in that I
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Speaker 1: was like and then I went straight from that environment
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Speaker 1: to working really fucked hours again, and I was like, no.
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Speaker 2: There's so much more life than this.
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Speaker 1: And I think that was a really big turning point
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Speaker 1: for me too. So I think travel could really ground
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Speaker 1: you because you see people that are living different lifestyles
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Speaker 1: to you and they are happy, and.
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Speaker 2: It's like, well, why myself.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so alive, and that's like, I just don't
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Speaker 1: know if it's worth it. What's like your perspective on
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Speaker 1: work life balance now that you've left such a fucking
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Speaker 1: intense role that there was just no work life balance.
17:04
Speaker 1: And I know it's probably a bit tricky as well,
17:06
Speaker 1: because now you're running your own business, so it's like
17:08
Speaker 1: you're still work.
17:08
Speaker 2: Your life is kind of your work now.
17:11
Speaker 1: But do you have a different perspective now that you've
17:16
Speaker 1: left that role and you're working for yourself. Yes, well,
17:19
Speaker 1: I think now I don't mind working the long hours. Yeah,
17:22
Speaker 1: I've never you Yeah, I've never minded working hard as
17:25
Speaker 1: long as it's appreciated, And now it's just changed because
17:27
Speaker 1: I'm working hard for myself. So obviously I appreciate it,
17:30
Speaker 1: and I have a business partner that also appreciates it.
17:33
Speaker 1: I will work in the morning, and then I go
17:36
Speaker 1: for a swim in the afternoon, and I go for
17:37
Speaker 1: a nap, and my business partner knows between the hours
17:39
Speaker 1: of two and four pm, don't speak to me because
17:43
Speaker 1: that's just napping.
17:44
Speaker 2: I'm napping. I love that. I love nap.
17:47
Speaker 1: And then I work at time, like I will work
17:50
Speaker 1: long hours, but I don't believe you're hours my hours,
17:53
Speaker 1: and I don't believe having to do it from like
17:55
Speaker 1: nine till nine pm.
17:56
Speaker 2: It makes no sense. Why am I giving up on
17:58
Speaker 2: my daylight hours? I agree that, yeah, so yeah.
18:02
Speaker 1: I think definitely that's changed, and now I prioritize like
18:05
Speaker 1: going to dance and seeing family. But choosing holidays with
18:09
Speaker 1: no phone service is really good.
18:11
Speaker 2: I love it.
18:12
Speaker 1: It's like it forces boundary on you, forces boundaries like
18:15
Speaker 1: I am going to a place in a couple of
18:18
Speaker 1: weeks where there is no phone service for two weeks,
18:21
Speaker 1: and it's so crazy because when it was the last time,
18:23
Speaker 1: I think I was like ten years old, where every
18:26
Speaker 1: time I wanted to speak to someone, they had to
18:27
Speaker 1: be right in front of me, like you know, like
18:29
Speaker 1: there's no messaging, there's no phone calls, like forget the
18:33
Speaker 1: social media on the like on itself. It's literally no
18:36
Speaker 1: communication with anyone that unless in front of you was
18:40
Speaker 1: such a good like reach reach, Like.
18:42
Speaker 2: It's so like you would just have such rich conversation.
18:45
Speaker 1: I was also piecing myself when you did announce that
18:49
Speaker 1: you left your role and all the tiktoks that people
18:52
Speaker 1: were making about like their corporate queen, yeah, and how
18:55
Speaker 1: I like their corporate.
18:56
Speaker 2: Queen had like left her role and they're like, what
18:59
Speaker 2: do we do? Oh, it's so sweet, but like they
19:02
Speaker 2: were really sweet.
19:03
Speaker 1: I had really good feedback because I obviously was I'm
19:07
Speaker 1: in my little bubble. I would say, like, I don't
19:09
Speaker 1: know much about you know, I watch obviously my feed
19:13
Speaker 1: usually they're pranking videos. I don't really see many influencers.
19:16
Speaker 1: I don't really see what's going on. I'm just in
19:18
Speaker 1: my own world a lot of the time. So I
19:20
Speaker 1: like that.
19:20
Speaker 2: So when I saw that, I was like, oh, look
19:24
Speaker 2: like they like me. I don't like me.
19:26
Speaker 1: And also, like being corporate was a big part of like,
19:29
Speaker 1: you know, my social media and whatnot, so I thought
19:32
Speaker 1: people would be like, oh, now she's not relatable, and
19:34
Speaker 1: I have like sometimes like videos will come up and
19:37
Speaker 1: you know, I tried not to read comments, and I tried,
19:40
Speaker 1: definitely try not to read hate comments. One person was like, Oh,
19:43
Speaker 1: she's not relatable anymore. She's quit to be an influencer,
19:46
Speaker 1: And I love the people standing up for me. Like,
19:49
Speaker 1: she didn't quit to be an influencer, you idiot, She
19:51
Speaker 1: quit because it was really bad for.
19:53
Speaker 2: Her mental health. Like have you not listened to a video? Yeah,
19:57
Speaker 2: even if you were, who cares?
19:59
Speaker 3: Like people need to watch.
20:01
Speaker 1: The people that really support you, as you've just said,
20:04
Speaker 1: are like happy to see you doing that, and like
20:07
Speaker 1: no one that actually cares about you would want you
20:09
Speaker 1: to stay in a toxic role. No, that's sparked, but
20:12
Speaker 1: more exciting, let's talk about Juliet.
20:14
Speaker 2: Yes, because I caught you guys robes.
20:18
Speaker 1: Wearing the right n talk us through like the process
20:22
Speaker 1: of you know, you kind of started this as I
20:25
Speaker 1: feel like calling it a side hustle.
20:26
Speaker 2: Minnie, but because it's so much bigger, it was just
20:29
Speaker 2: like a little.
20:30
Speaker 1: Creative hobby because I was stuck with like shades of
20:33
Speaker 1: Navy at work, just working within PowerPoint and Excel, and
20:36
Speaker 1: I just needed more.
20:38
Speaker 2: I needed more, like a creative outlet.
20:39
Speaker 1: So that's what my roommate and I started doing, and
20:42
Speaker 1: then it became something where I was like, I really
20:45
Speaker 1: enjoy this, maybe we can try. And it was meant
20:48
Speaker 1: to just be a summer thing and then we're meant
20:50
Speaker 1: to end it in like January and then call it
20:52
Speaker 1: quits and be like okay, peace out.
20:54
Speaker 2: But now, yeah, now I want it to keep going.
20:57
Speaker 1: So now that's where I put like all my full
20:59
Speaker 1: time that's my full time drive.
21:01
Speaker 2: And you've been a warehouse.
21:02
Speaker 1: Now, yes, we'll three pl third party logistics, so they
21:05
Speaker 1: pack everything for us, which is good because we were
21:07
Speaker 1: packing everything ourselves and it just meant that we were
21:09
Speaker 1: very reactive, so we had miscalculated like future drops planning,
21:14
Speaker 1: and so now we're dealing with the chaos because we
21:17
Speaker 1: were too busy literally packing orders. Yeah, we have a
21:20
Speaker 1: third roommate and she literally was living in a warehouse.
21:22
Speaker 2: We felt so bad for her. We obviously apologized a lot.
21:26
Speaker 2: We gave for dinners.
21:27
Speaker 1: Wee that's what it's like. It was similar when we
21:34
Speaker 1: first started rich in life. We like didn't have an office,
21:37
Speaker 1: we didn't have anything, and we just had like boxes
21:40
Speaker 1: in my apartment. And I'm like such a person that
21:43
Speaker 1: like if my apartment's clutted like I'm a bitch.
21:46
Speaker 2: I'm like, it makes you you can't focus?
21:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's so stress And it was such a
21:52
Speaker 1: like grassroots campaign, you know, like we're getting help from everyone,
21:57
Speaker 1: Like my poor grandparents like late seventies, early eighties were
22:01
Speaker 1: coming over to do the os post.
22:03
Speaker 2: Pickups for us. They take a village. Yeah, oh, it
22:07
Speaker 2: genuinely took a village.
22:08
Speaker 1: We asked every single friend of ours to help put
22:11
Speaker 1: stickers on everything. Have you seen like some of the
22:14
Speaker 1: other like I watched like some influences that have their
22:17
Speaker 1: own brands. I'm like, do you think they started in
22:20
Speaker 1: their like shitty Bondai apartment like boxes up to the
22:25
Speaker 1: ceiling like ah, Like no.
22:27
Speaker 2: I think they went straight to a three PM. I
22:29
Speaker 2: feel like that's like my.
22:30
Speaker 1: Favorite thing to see though, Like I love seeing just
22:33
Speaker 1: like the raw what the fuck is going on? Oh?
22:37
Speaker 1: And I think that's why people love you. I'll find
22:40
Speaker 1: you so relatable. What's like the maybe like the top
22:42
Speaker 1: three life lessons you learned from starting Cajuliet. Obviously, life
22:48
Speaker 1: does not go how you expect or how you planned.
22:51
Speaker 1: If you told me like early last year that I
22:53
Speaker 1: would be leaving my corporate job to work on a
22:56
Speaker 1: business named after my rabbit shout out in Julian Julian,
23:02
Speaker 1: but like I was like, oh, what should we call it.
23:05
Speaker 1: Let's say about after King Julian's fictional girlfriend Juliette, Like
23:09
Speaker 1: even trying to come up with an ACN name. It's
23:12
Speaker 1: called King Julian Enterprises, and like trying to communicate that
23:15
Speaker 1: with the guy on AMEX.
23:16
Speaker 2: He was like, are you joking? Yeah, yeah, you know
23:19
Speaker 2: King Julian like in Madagascar.
23:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that would definitely be nothing goes according to
23:24
Speaker 1: plan and that life really changes quite quickly.
23:28
Speaker 2: That would be probably my main lesson.
23:29
Speaker 1: And then second is you never know who's going to
23:31
Speaker 1: come into your life that will completely change things. Like
23:34
Speaker 1: my roommate and I, like we knew each other, but
23:37
Speaker 1: we were not close, and now we're best friends. And
23:40
Speaker 1: then it's just like where would I be without her?
23:43
Speaker 1: And she's so supportive and that can be really hard
23:46
Speaker 1: to find because you get older you can figure out
23:49
Speaker 1: pretty quickly who is genuinely happy for you. I think
23:52
Speaker 1: it speaks volumes when you start something like what you
23:55
Speaker 1: have and you see friends making an order I know,
23:58
Speaker 1: or sharing it on this and like if you do
24:02
Speaker 1: know someone to the Cheeky's listening that has started a
24:05
Speaker 1: small business or a side hustle, Yeah, like support the
24:08
Speaker 1: shit out of that, like just even sharing it on
24:10
Speaker 1: your story like that, engaging with the bus. I also
24:14
Speaker 1: never realized this sounds really like naive, but I never
24:18
Speaker 1: realized how much work goes into a small business.
24:21
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, there's so many fiddly little things.
24:25
Speaker 3: That constantly you would never know and there's no way
24:28
Speaker 3: to get taught, yeah unless you're just doing it.
24:31
Speaker 2: Yes, So there's lots of learning on the job, so
24:33
Speaker 2: much learning on the job.
24:34
Speaker 1: And I used to think I was really about at
24:36
Speaker 1: customer service. So now I'm like replying to all like
24:39
Speaker 1: customer emails and whatnot, and like I am obviously.
24:44
Speaker 2: Very attached to the business.
24:45
Speaker 1: So if someone asks for something, I will do everything
24:48
Speaker 1: I can to make it happen. Like one of our
24:50
Speaker 1: customers went into labor early lost to.
24:56
Speaker 2: My business partner.
24:57
Speaker 1: I know that we really don't have capacity to like
24:59
Speaker 1: spare an hour to do this, but I really want
25:02
Speaker 1: to do it. Can you come, Like we should go
25:03
Speaker 1: deliver a robe to her hospital room and like a
25:07
Speaker 1: care package because this is the stuff that makes you
25:10
Speaker 1: feel like I like being in direct communication with our
25:13
Speaker 1: customers because once you lose that, you have no idea
25:16
Speaker 1: what they want, what feedback they want, And like people
25:18
Speaker 1: have been so sweet. I think sometimes they're scared to
25:20
Speaker 1: tell us like feedback or like oh I would like this,
25:22
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I love the feedback because without the feedback,
25:25
Speaker 1: we don't improve. Otherwise I'm just like lost in my
25:28
Speaker 1: own little world. So, yeah, we got and she let
25:31
Speaker 1: me hold the baby.
25:32
Speaker 2: I know, Julian.
25:39
Speaker 3: The baby was so cute and I was like, so sweet.
25:43
Speaker 1: This is like those little reminders of this is why
25:45
Speaker 1: we work so bloody hard.
25:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, and people appreciate it.
25:49
Speaker 3: It's just sweet, like genuine human connection, like you have
25:52
Speaker 3: a part in that person's story forever.
25:56
Speaker 2: Now. Yah, I know how incredibles are.
25:58
Speaker 1: I know what's next, Chloe. Lots of travel, lots of training.
26:03
Speaker 2: But also.
26:06
Speaker 1: So I'm actually I'm going to an island off Yemen
26:08
Speaker 1: in a few ways. I'm very excited for that. That's
26:10
Speaker 1: a camping trip. But honestly, being able, I'm working in
26:13
Speaker 1: Bali doing that digital nomad thing.
26:16
Speaker 3: Love that.
26:17
Speaker 2: So that's the stuff I've.
26:18
Speaker 1: Always wanted to do you know when you walk past
26:20
Speaker 1: cafes when you're walking to the bus to work, you know,
26:23
Speaker 1: an eighty hour week, and you see those cool people
26:26
Speaker 1: you know in the working off their laptop.
26:29
Speaker 2: I found that I watched they have. I'm doing that.
26:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's going to be going to be That's
26:36
Speaker 1: going to be me. That's exactly what I want, honestly.
26:39
Speaker 1: So we have like some we had like an air
26:42
Speaker 1: tasker to help pick up all the empty boxes. And
26:44
Speaker 1: I obviously was in my office wear, which is a
26:47
Speaker 1: bikini and a sarong there or the rope.
26:49
Speaker 2: He goes, I see you've dressed up. I go, this
26:51
Speaker 2: is the only thing I wear.
26:52
Speaker 3: We of course want to support you on this next
26:54
Speaker 3: chapter of your journey. So where can the chicks find
26:57
Speaker 3: you and support you?
26:58
Speaker 1: So my alter ego is Chloe Barry Dinsky on TikTok
27:03
Speaker 1: and then my actual name is Chloe Barry Haying that's
27:05
Speaker 1: on Instagram double barrel obviously a bastard.
27:08
Speaker 2: And then and then the business is called Cajualiet.
27:13
Speaker 1: So the Instagram is casually at dot xo xo because
27:17
Speaker 1: they couldn't get the proper handle it was already taken.
27:20
Speaker 2: And my business part was like, is that what you
27:22
Speaker 2: came up with? Dot xo xo? You don't see Apple
27:25
Speaker 2: with her dot xoxo. I go, I couldn't get it.
27:28
Speaker 2: I couldn't get it, and people get used to it. Honestly,
27:33
Speaker 2: no one cares. I know it's a harder.
27:35
Speaker 1: I'll also put links in the show notes for everyone
27:38
Speaker 1: to go and find them to make it easy.
27:39
Speaker 2: To Thank you so much.
27:41
Speaker 3: And we always finish with one final question with our
27:44
Speaker 3: guests and for you want to ask what is your
27:47
Speaker 3: biggest life lesson in your.
27:49
Speaker 2: Career so far?
27:50
Speaker 1: I'm going to say no one says on their deathbed
27:54
Speaker 1: they wish they worked more, and I think that is
27:56
Speaker 1: so true. So focus on travel, focus on family, focus
27:59
Speaker 1: on friends, focus on things that actually make yourself happy. Also,
28:04
Speaker 1: push yourself out of your comfort zone in travel. I
28:06
Speaker 1: think that's really important because if you just keep doing
28:09
Speaker 1: these bougie trips, you know, laying in resorts, what do
28:13
Speaker 1: you actually learn from that?
28:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at you scene, I'm just going to cancel.
28:24
Speaker 2: Wanted to push yourself.
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Speaker 3: Thanks Choe, thank you so much for coming on. It
28:30
Speaker 3: has been such a pleasure. We know you're so busy
28:32
Speaker 3: and also We understand that it's been a really stressful, overwhelming,
28:36
Speaker 3: emotional time, so we do really appreciate that you've been
28:39
Speaker 3: so candid and shared your experience with us, because we
28:42
Speaker 3: know that so many chicks relate to your story and
28:45
Speaker 3: your experience and are going to get so much inspiration
28:48
Speaker 3: and advice out of the.
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Speaker 2: Three five the Year to Quit. Thanks Chicks.
28:51
Speaker 1: Thank you to mk made for making this episode of
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Speaker 1: Two Broad Chicks Happen.
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Speaker 2: We live being in your earhols and we'll see you
28:57
Speaker 2: next week. See you next shoes. Sec Oh yeah, say
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Speaker 2: next Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: By day.
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Speaker 2: Bye bye
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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, m m mm hmmmmmm hm