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Stephanie Seneff on avoiding sunglasses and sunscreen - Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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None. You last recorded with me, it
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must be 4 years ago, I think around 2021.
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But there was a couple of things that you said that stuck with me
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that I've never forgotten. And I think I told you this in
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an email and that was it was just in passing in fact, where
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you mentioned that you don't wear sunglasses and you don't
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wear sunscreen. Oh good, that's great.
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Yeah, I really, I just get so upset.
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I almost can't stop myself from commenting when I see a mother
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with a little 2 year old and the two year old is wearing
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sunglasses. I'm like what is matter here?
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This is so crazy because the kids really need the sunlight to
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to help their brain mature. I mean, it's so important.
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Exactly. But we have become fearful of
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the sun. I know, you know, I think the
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problem is that it's free and Farmer doesn't like things that
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are free and good for you, which is what the sun is.
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And so it claims you have to stay away from the sun and that
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makes you sick and then they can sell products.
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You know, it's I'm very cynical. They say the dermatologist will
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say stay out of the sun and take the take vitamin D, you know,
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and that's. Why would you?
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Yeah, well, I mean, why would you take a pill when you can?
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Take vitamin D as a pill instead of going out in the sunlight.
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I'm like hello? It's crazy.
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I just don't. I can't fathom why they think
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that's a good idea. I've had this conversation over
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the years now a few times with various friends about, you know,
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sunscreen and sunglasses and something that you know, comes
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up as well. Do you have peer reviewed
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science? And I, I don't, but I must also
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say the COVID era has taught me not really to trust peer
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reviewed science anyways. The entire the entire system
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can't be trusted. No, I agree.
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There is so much censorship going on and it it's so
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difficult to get things published that are that are,
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especially if they go against pharma, you know, watch out
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because pharma really guards his products very carefully.
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And if you're going to criticise its products, show them in a bad
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light. You know, you can't get it.
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It's really hard to get that published.
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Yeah. I mean, I was actually just sort
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of experimenting on myself 'cause I wasn't sure.
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It just didn't make sense to me that the sun would be bad for
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you. I mean, I don't, I don't.
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I generally like things that are really natural, you know, and
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the sun is there and it's a source of energy.
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You know, the plants can't live without the sunlight.
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They make, they, they, they use the chlorophyll.
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They, they, you know, they turn carbon dioxide into organic
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matter using the sunlight as a catalyst.
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And we use the sunlight too, in really important ways beyond the
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vitamin DI believe. And so I just believed that.
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And so I just lived that way and I didn't know what would happen
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to my eyes as I got older, right?
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Like would I have all kinds of eye problems because I was
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getting abused by sunlight? Here I am 77.
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I don't have any issues with my eyes.
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I've been I've been to the doctor recently, not even
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cataracts. And most of my friends my age
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have already had cataract surgery.
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Do you think that's related to wearing sunglasses?
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I do to not wearing sunglasses. That's what kept my eyes
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healthy. We, so here in South Africa, we
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have what's called the Kalahari Desert.
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That's just, it's just north sort of alongside Namibia just
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above the country. It's a huge, huge desert.
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But there's a wonderful game park that that we went to.
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And naturally with so much sand, you know, and so much sun, this
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was for me a great opportunity to test this.
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And so I said to her, to my wife, I'm not going to wear any
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sunscreen for this entire trip. And I'm only and I'm only taking
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my sunglasses for those moments where the sand is just
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reflecting the sun just a bit too much.
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Because I think in some, in some instances, if you can't get out
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of it, like you'd be driving in a particular direction and the
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sun is setting and you can't, you can't actually get away from
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that glare in your face. I would I would argue that
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that's probably OK. I'm not sure what.
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What do you think of that? Well, even then, I mean, I have
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to turn the visor down because the sun is coming at me and I
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can't see, you know, if I'm driving, but I don't, I don't
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wear, I don't have sunglasses handy.
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I just I just deal with it by blocking the sun with the.
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Right. Well, I, I will say that we did
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that entire trip in the desert and I had, I didn't wear any
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sunscreen and I didn't get sunburned.
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That's so great. Well, you have pretty dark skin
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naturally. I think it's really crazy, you
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know, dark skinned people wearing sunscreen doesn't make
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any sense to me because you have that natural protection from the
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dark skin, the melanin in your skin.
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Now that's an interesting thought, Stephanie.
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So, so I mean, my ancestors come from Europe, but you know,
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because I'm African, I have a more olive skin, I suppose.
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But in the sort of more Scandinavian areas, people are
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exceptionally white and. That's also because they're up
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north. Actually, it's interesting
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because people who live who, whose ancestors lived in a in a
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place that has a lot of sun tend to be dark.
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And then people who live in places up north tend to be
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light. And that's actually a genetic
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evolutionary process because you want to get as much sun as you
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can when there's very little to be had.
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So people who live up north have very light skin in order to be
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able to absorb more sunlight, you know, but if you put someone
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like that in, so for example, in Australia, there's a lot of
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light skinned people live in Australia and they, and there's
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a pretty intense sun could be tricky there.
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I think 'cause your, your ancestry isn't supporting living
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where you're living. So I think you do have to be
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careful in that respect. If you're in a place that's
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really sunny, like at the equator, and you came from
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ancestors that lived up north, then maybe you're not equipped
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to deal with extreme sun. So I certainly don't think you
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should just burn, you know, And some people say I can't tan, I
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just burn. And certainly it's not good for
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you to burn your skin and to the point of peeling, you know.
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But you don't need to wear sunscreen.
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You can do what the Arabs do and you can wear, you know, long
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cotton. Outfits and that's much better,
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yes. Because if you think about it,
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what is sunscreen? It's some sort of chemical
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concoction that you rubbing into your body.
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Stuff in there, it's got aluminium actually, and it
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absorbs through the skin and aluminium is extremely toxic.
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So I would, I mean, I hate sunscreen actually.
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I really feel it's a big mistake.
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Do you think there is a link between skin cancer or or cancer
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in general and sunscreen? Well, it's interesting because
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actually people who have breast cancer and who are and in the
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summertime get a lot of sun exposure, they do better in
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terms of dealing with the cancer.
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The sunlight helps them to deal with the cancer.
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People think of the sun causes cancer and they stopped there,
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but the sun actually protects from cancer, from all kinds of
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cancers. And then if you have cancer,
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it's a good idea to get a lot of sunlight to help you heal the
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cancer. Do you think the sun can cause
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skin cancer? Yeah, I think it probably can.
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And especially, by the way, if you're exposed to toxic
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chemicals. And that's one of the things I'm
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concerned about with glyphosate, which, you know, I have my book
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here. See if I can hold it up.
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Toxic legacy, how the weed killer glyphosate is destroying
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our health and the environment. So glyphosate disrupts the
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shipmate pathway in the plants and also in the microbes in your
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gut. And shipmate pathway produces
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aromatic amino acids and those aromatics are precursors to
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melanin, the skin tanning agent. So when I think when you have a
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lot of glyphosate exposure, your melanin levels go down and
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that's why you can't tan too, because you don't have enough
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melanin. That's because the melanin is
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sourced from the pathway in the gut that's disrupted by
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glyphosate. So what you're saying is that
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the sun can cause cancer? And especially if you're exposed
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to chemicals like glyphosate that disrupt your natural
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ability to protect yourself. I mean, that's the trick.
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The toxic chemicals are really twisting our minds because they
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are causing problems that shouldn't exist.
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If you're just living naturally, your your problem exists because
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you're exposed to the toxic chemicals which are disrupting
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your natural mechanisms to handle the situation.
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What did people do 1000 years ago?
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What were the Viking? I mean, they were Scandinavians.
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What were they doing? They were in the same sort of
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sun. Right.
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I mean, people in the old times were outside all the time, you
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know, and even the Africans in the heat of the Sahara Desert,
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you know, I mean, sunscreen didn't exist back then or
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sunglasses. I'm sure they just went without
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they and they were outdoors most of the time.
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So how did they cope? And that's why I feel these
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things are weird to say that this is natural to slap slabber
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yourself with sunscreen and to wear sunglasses.
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If that's natural, it doesn't make any sense to me.
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So I'm very much into natural, you know, and I don't even like
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to take supplements. There's a lot of issues with
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supplements. And I don't take any
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pharmaceutical drugs, you know, I'm like really pure.
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But then I'm happy to expose myself to the sun.
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So one of my guests is a gentleman by the name of David
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Resnick, a fantastic scientist in the field of, of, of cancer
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and, and HIV AIDS. And he he actually stated that
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cancer, in his view, didn't really exist 1000 years ago.
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That's interesting, right? But as you say, as I said, they
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didn't have glyphosate back then.
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Yeah, I think the chemical industry is a nightmare.
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I really feel like we are down a very diabolical pathway right
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now as a as a species. And we are, we have this
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incredible power in the chemistry lab to make all these
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exotic things. And then we feed them to people.
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You know, we create all these exotic drugs and, and all these
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herbicides and insecticides and fungicides, you know, and then
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we don't mind eating the food that's contaminated,
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contaminated with all these things.
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And anything that's not natural to me is dangerous, any
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chemical. And, and, and we are going wild
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with these chemicals. There's so many new ones
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appearing every day, you know, and, and with inadequate testing
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for sure of what that chemical might do to the body.
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And so, and when people study foods, you know, there's all
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these papers that study different foods and different
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kinds of fats and everything. They never worry about what are
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the toxic chemicals in those different choices.
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So if you have two different fats that you're experimenting
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with, one of which is contaminated with glyphosate and
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the other one isn't, and you're looking at whether saturated
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versus unsaturated, you're missing the point.
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Because the reason why the one is not doing well is because of
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the chemical that's in it, not because of the kind of fat that
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it is. So they get all mixed up on
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these. Nobody can figure it out with
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the fats because they're not paying attention to this aspect
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of the fat that's more important than the fat itself, which is
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what kind of toxic chemicals are a big issue with foods is
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whether it's, to what degree is it processed and you want to
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have minimally processed foods in your diet.
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I mean, I have certain, I, I actually have a whole profile
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of, we have all these different people who have different
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opinions about diet. It's so amazing.
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In fact, there's a group right now that I'm in an email
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discussion where there are people who think that vegetables
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are awesome and you should be vegetarian.
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And then there are people who think, oh, vegetables are
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terrible and you should only eat fats, you know, and they're
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fighting with each other. Each one is making, trying to
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make their case why they're right and the other one's wrong.
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It's so interesting, you know, that you've got all these diets
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and, and nobody can figure out which one's right.
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Even after all these years and all these papers, we still don't
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know, right? It's amazing.
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I mean, I have my own opinion and I can tell you what I eat
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and, and what I believe in. And so number one is no
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chemicals. Certified organic.
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Absolutely #1 #2 is fermented foods.
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And I really love dairy. Fermented dairy is fantastic and
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high fat dairy, not low fat dairy.
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I never have bought low fat dairy or even, you know, low
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fat, non fat. I won't buy it my whole life,
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always fat in the dairy. And I love cream, you know,
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whipped cream, ice cream, yoghurt, they're all good.
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And butter, of course, butter is fantastic.
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And so, so I like dairy a lot and I like high fat diet and
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particularly animal based fats. And I think seafoods are super
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healthy. So clams, oysters, crab meat,
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fish, you know, scallops, all of those really, really, really
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healthy foods. And then and then grass fed
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beef, you know, organic chicken, those are all good.
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So I, you know, I'm not carnivore and I'm not
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vegetarian. I like a lot of cruciferous
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vegetables because they have sulphur and also onions and
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garlic, also good sulphur sources.
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Though I, I really believe in getting an adequate amount of
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sulphur in your diet. So I look for fermented foods,
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sulphur high fat, plenty of animal based foods, both fat and
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protein and then cruciferous vegetables and then salads.
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Every day I have a salad and and then vinegar of course is a
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fermented food. So you know, in the salad
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dressing. So that's kind of my formula.
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I go hunting once, maybe once or twice a year.
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Cool. And I think that's pretty,
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pretty much as close as you're going to get to to natural meat.
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Right, yes. And then so you eat the meat
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that you want, is that right? For sure, Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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But it's not, I mean, it's game and I find that game tends to be
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quite lean, so. So I'm not a big fan of that.
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I also like more fat. Right, Yeah, yeah, I totally
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agree with that. I think it's saturated.
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Fat got demonised so well way back when, and people have a
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hard time forgetting that, you know, or they feel very
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sceptical if someone says, Oh yeah, it's fine, don't worry
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about it. They don't believe it, you know,
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because they've been brainwashed for so long to think that
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saturated fat is bad. And and then there's all this
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issue about Omega threes versus Omega 6.
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You know, Doctor Mercola has been really big on Omega 6.
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Fats are terrible lately. He's totally hung up on that.
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And that puzzles me also because I don't agree with him.
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You know, both omega-3 and Omega six are OK, but then saturated
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is the best because it can't be oxidised.
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And oxidised fats are bad and they get oxidised in part
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because of the toxic chemical exposure.
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So you're kind of back there again.
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I wonder if we get caught up in that analysis paralysis thing.
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I mean, again, like I said earlier, 1000 years ago they
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didn't know about amigas and and saturated fats and whatever.
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They just ate and generally quite naturally, and I forget
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who it was now. Someone on my show said the
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fewer the ingredients the better.
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Right. That's a good, a good algorithm.
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If you see like a soy protein bar and it's got all these
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chemical ingredients, you know, don't buy it, right?
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I would not. I never ate soy protein bars
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even when I didn't know about the toxic chemicals in the food.
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It just didn't seem natural, you know, So I've always gone for
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Whole Foods. When you talk about being as
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natural as possible, one of the one of the topics that's taboo
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is, you know, shower products like your shampoos and your
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soaps and things. Yeah, those are hard.
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I really, I really have a hard time with with shampoos.
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Whenever I I need shampoo, I go to the store and I look at all
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these things and I'm like, I don't like any of them.
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You know, they have a huge number of ingredients in them.
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I wouldn't mind, you know, just using egg or something, which I
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don't do. I mean, I do buy one of the sort
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of herbal shampoos, but I'm not happy with it, you know?
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And I've actually tried to wash my hair less frequently because
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of that, because I just don't think they're good.
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Yes, but where did we get this idea that we must wash our hair
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every two or three days? Yeah, right.
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Sometimes people do it every day, you know.
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And I mean your hair has natural stuff and and then every time
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you wash. A journal away, I think that's
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probably not good. Yes, I've come to that
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conclusion myself to to wash your hair less frequently.
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And the thing with sunglasses that, that, that I thought a lot
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about after you mentioned it on my show, is it, it may well, as
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I said earlier, maybe question firstly, why am I wearing
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sunglasses? And #2 it made me realise what
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the full light spectrum actually is.
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And what you're doing is that you're, you're restricting it.
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Exactly. Yes.
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And, you know, it's one of those cases where there's a simple
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message that seems clear to say UV light is dangerous, you know,
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for your eyes and you need to protect yourself from UV light.
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And you can do that by buying me sunglasses.
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And I, the sunglass company will make a lot of money if you do
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that. So I, I, it's in my interest to
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make you believe that I'm right about that.
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Stephanie, I don't know if you changed during the COVID era or
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if you've always been kind of on the on the vanguard of of
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critical thinking, but would you go back to 2019?
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Would I like to go back to 2019? What do you mean by that?
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So I change my views on a lot of things.
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Since the whole COVID thing started, it made me question
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everything and I would not like to go back to 2019 as a result
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because. I feel you've matured because of
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your experience with COVID, right?
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Yes. So that's kind of what I'm
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asking you. Yeah, well, for sure, although I
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was already most of the way there by then.
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COVID, the COVID vaccine convinced me that it convinced
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me that all vaccines are bad. I mean, I was moving in that
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direction already. And once the COVID vaccine came
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on the market, I was like done with vaccines, you know, it, it
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became very clear to me. COVID was so horrible.
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The COVID vaccine and the way they forced it down our throats,
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it was just awful. I could not believe that it was
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happening. Even I, you know, I remember
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back when they had warp speed, they were just trying to develop
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it really fast with Trump was the president and, and that was
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before the vaccine existed. They were going to just like
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roll it out of the market really fast.
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And I and they mRNA technology and I immediately started
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researching the mRNA technology as soon as I heard about the
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fact that they were developing this.
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And I remember at the time I thought, well, there's no way
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that they're going to mandate this vaccine.
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You know, they, they may put it on the market prematurely,
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having not studied enough, but they won't force us to get it.
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They can't possibly force us to get it.
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And then there I was at MIT mandated COVID vaccine.
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I was so shocked, you know, and I was like, I'm not getting that
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vaccine. So I, I crafted a religious
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exemption, did my best to argue a religious exemption, submitted
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it and they granted it, which was really fortunate.
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I was afraid they wouldn't and I thought I'd have to go on unpaid
19:33
leave. They granted it on the condition
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that I don't show up at work. I work from home all the time.
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And, and that's why I sold my house and moved to Hawaii.
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So that was kind of a benefit, a side benefit of, of, of the
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mandate for me was that I, I got to move to Hawaii and I'm still
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working for MIT remotely. That's amazing because I know a
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lot of people who lost their jobs because they thought.
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That they had denied that. I'm grateful to MIT, that they
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accepted my religious exemption request.
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So yeah, I would have. Lost, but I mean, it's sad that
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it came to that it. Was crazy.
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What do you think was going on, Stephanie?
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Well, I felt actually I figured out early on, I suspected that
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the whole point of the whole storyline was to get the mRNA
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technology out the door because they were very, they had a lot
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of hype around the mRNA technology, you know, so
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nanoparticles and this way of delivering and they could see it
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as a potential for cancer therapy.
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They just had dollar signs in their eyes.
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They were like so delighted with this technology, except for the
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fact that it was very difficult to get it approved because if
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you studied it, you found out it had a lot of nasty problems.
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So if you can have a emergency situation and kind of go wink,
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wink, bypass all those steps and just throw it out on the market
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and then give it to the whole world, this gets complete buy
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in. If everybody's happy with it,
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you know, now everybody's like, Oh yeah, mRNA technology, that's
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fantastic. Let's get some of those cats
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cancer vaccines out there, you know.
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So it was a an opportunity to exploit the emergency, the so
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called emergency situation to get that technology out the
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door. And then they kind of succeeded,
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except that they've got a huge number of people like me who
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think it's extremely toxic, who would never go near that vaccine
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and who continue to study it and continue to get even more
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alarmed about what they're seeing, you know?
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But Stephanie, trust the science.
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Right. I think a lot of people, and
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it's interesting actually how much I've predicted this way
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back when, when COVID, when the vaccine was coming out and
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people were all happy to get it, except for some people like me
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who were fighting it like crazy. I predicted that that vaccine
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would actually set back all the vaccines as far as their
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willingness, people's willingness to accept them
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because we've really been parents have been brainwashed
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into thinking that children can't live without all those
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vaccines. They get like 72 different
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immunizations over the course of childhood.
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It's insane these days. The number of vaccines in the
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United States has gone up incredibly, probably
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exponentially it since 1986 when they passed that law that got
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the vaccine industry off the hook for any, you know, any, any
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time the vaccine is mandated for the kids in school.
22:23
It doesn't matter what happens with the vaccine.
22:26
The industry is not responsible. They can't get sued.
22:29
And that is a big boon for the, for the Pharmaceutical industry.
22:31
So they love vaccines 'cause they can just, you know, go
22:34
ahead and kill kids. There's no problem for them as
22:37
far as financials are concerned, you know, and then all the
22:43
disinformation, I would call it trying to convince parents that
22:47
these vaccines are so essential and, you know, and so wonderful.
22:51
I mean, this idea that they're, that if you didn't get those
22:54
vaccines, might you die of smallpox, you know, or polio or,
22:58
or diphtheria. I mean, there are all these
22:59
diseases that you're going to get if you don't get those
23:01
vaccines. They people really got convinced
23:04
that you had to have the vaccines in order to protect
23:06
your child from those diseases that in fact can kill you.
23:09
It's certainly true. But the vaccine can kill you
23:12
too. And I know that from the various
23:14
databases, the vaccine adverse event reporting systems, and
23:16
especially the COVID vaccine, it is extremely toxic.
23:20
And so, and that's coming out. I think it, it, things are
23:24
changing right now. Fewer and fewer people are
23:26
willing to get their 7th or 8th booster shot.
23:28
You know, for COVID, people are, are waking up, more people are
23:32
waking up. And then they're going on to
23:33
question the childhood vaccines as a consequence of the COVID
23:37
nightmare. And in fact, Florida has now,
23:40
I'm so pleased with the state of Florida, they have dropped the
23:42
mandates. I'm really eager to see how that
23:45
moves forward because they're saying, you know, they still
23:48
recommend all these vaccines for the kids.
23:51
And you go to your doctor and you can tell your doctor, look,
23:53
I don't want my kid to have the vaccine.
23:55
And that's fine. You know, you can still go to
23:56
school. I mean, that is so awesome to me
23:59
because there will be parents one by one who decide, you know
24:04
what, I'm just not going to vaccinate my kids, period.
24:07
And we'll see what happens, you know, And so it's an experiment
24:09
under way and we will see. I mean, will they all start, you
24:13
know, dying of horrible diseases?
24:15
I don't think so, because I think it's more a matter of
24:17
keeping your immune system healthy.
24:19
And that is the sunlight. Sunlight is really great for the
24:22
immune system. So get your kids out in the sun,
24:25
you know, and make sure they're exercising, give them good
24:28
nutrition. And they won't, if they catch
24:31
measles, they're not going to die.
24:32
You know, it probably won't even have a, a severe case as long as
24:35
they've got a strong immune system.
24:36
So it's more important to, to keep yourself healthy through
24:40
natural living than it is to, to, to talk to, to eject all
24:45
these toxic chemicals into your body.
24:46
I mean, the vaccines, all of them are toxic.
24:50
Well, I was asking you about going back to 2019.
24:54
If you had asked me about childhood vaccines like the MMR
24:58
shot, if you'd asked me about that in 2019 or even 2020, I
25:02
would have said yeah, for sure, definitely in the time that you
25:07
and I spoke last to now my son was born and he's not
25:11
vaccinated. Oh, good for you.
25:13
I'm so pleased you did the right.
25:15
You made the right choice. And in fact, I took it one step
25:19
further. He I didn't want him to get
25:22
vitamin K and my wife looked into it and agreed.
25:24
So he didn't even get vitamin K. Good.
25:27
Yeah, because that one's got aluminium in it, I think.
25:30
And people don't even think about vitamin K.
25:32
They, they, they focus on the vaccines and they forget that.
25:36
I think actually in the US, in the in, in many states of the
25:41
US, you, you can't say no to vitamin K.
25:43
Yeah, that may be I'm not sure, but that it would that wouldn't
25:46
surprise me. And that is crazy.
25:48
That is so crazy that you have to take that you have to give
25:52
your your infant, you know, something like that again, you
25:56
know, I. Had no idea.
25:57
Yeah, well, I had no idea what the reasons behind it were.
26:00
And I thought, well, it's, it's just seems like it's a vitamin.
26:02
It's just harmless. But it turns out that it has to
26:05
do with the fact that most births now happen in hospital
26:09
and they don't allow the for the process to occur.
26:13
You know the they cut the umbilical cord too quickly and
26:17
so then they need a blood thickening agent.
26:20
That's very interesting. I bet you're right.
26:22
Yeah. Everything's rash, rash, rash,
26:23
Right? So you should wait until the
26:27
blood from the mother has finished flowing.
26:29
And the umbilical cord is so important and so much, so many
26:33
nutrients. I'm sure all kinds of
26:35
interesting things come in in that last moment before it
26:38
severed. And you certainly would want to
26:39
wait until you know everything has happened for sure.
26:43
That makes so much sense. Oh, you have to make a very good
26:45
point there. And that may be what's
26:47
triggering the problem with the vitamin K, the need for the
26:49
vitamin K because of that. I like that theory.
26:52
That's nice. Well, I I didn't devise that
26:55
myself. I wish I could claim that, but
26:57
that that came from a bunch of OBGYN's that I spoke to.
27:00
Oh. That's great that they knew that
27:02
and they were willing to wait then and let everything happen
27:06
unfold naturally. That's great.
27:08
That's great. And a lot of issues, perhaps
27:12
later on in life could be triggered already from that
27:16
moment. Right.
27:17
I know it's so important. You know, what happens in utero
27:21
also is very important and the mother's exposures during
27:24
pregnancy. And that's where I get really
27:26
upset about all the vaccines that they give to pregnant women
27:29
these days. They seem to think it's
27:31
perfectly fine to give them all these vaccines which are going
27:34
to go directly into the foetus. You know, the placenta doesn't
27:38
necessarily keep things out and, and, and, and of course, any
27:42
drugs the mother's taking, they're all day.
27:44
And of course, glyphosate exposure in utero really bad,
27:47
you know. When my wife was pregnant, the
27:52
the Guyani said to her, you must, you must remember now.
27:56
You must get a flu shot. While she's pregnant, you must
27:59
get one right? Yeah, yeah.
28:01
And, and she and she just, she just nodded.
28:04
But when we left, she said there's no chance that that's
28:06
happening. And then guess what happened?
28:08
She changed Guyanese. Good for her.
28:12
That's so crazy. Yeah.
28:13
They they they have this kind of mentality that because the flu
28:17
could be bad if you catch the flu while you're pregnant, which
28:19
is probably true. But The thing is, if you get the
28:21
vaccine, you're guaranteed to get the toxins that are in the
28:24
vaccine. If you if you take it while
28:26
you're pregnant. How can that be good?
28:28
You know, so you're getting a guaranteed exposure to protect
28:31
you from a maybe exposure. I mean, I never get the flu, so
28:34
I haven't had it for like decades.
28:36
And I don't, I, I never got a flu shot my whole life, you
28:39
know, whereas other people my age are pretty routinely every
28:42
year another flu shot, you know? Well so my son is 14 months old
28:48
and he's never been sick and his friends who are more or less the
28:51
same age as as him multiple sicknesses and most of them have
28:56
been jabbed with the MMR shot. Yeah.
28:59
Well, have you seen the data? I mean, there's several papers
29:01
now that have come out comparing vax versus unvax kids in the
29:06
United States. And of course some of those
29:08
papers got retracted because the industry just jumps right all
29:11
over you if you if you show the vaccines in a bad light.
29:14
But the papers were stunning. There's a, a paper that looked
29:17
at, there was one clinic that, that had a lot of patients over
29:21
the years and they were popular because of with people who
29:25
didn't get the kids vaccinated because they were willing to not
29:28
vaccinate. And so they had a nice
29:30
collection of data for kids who had no vaccines and kids who had
29:33
some vaccines and kids who got all the vaccines on schedule.
29:36
You know, different groups of kids.
29:38
But when they compared the kids, they were totally unvaccinated
29:41
with the rest of them. Huge differences in things like
29:44
ear infections and you know, various allergies and eczema,
29:50
asthma, all these things that are autoimmune disease related
29:54
and ADHD and autism. All these things were much, much
29:57
higher in the vaccinated group compared to the unvaccinated.
30:00
They were so healthy. And you know, they basically,
30:04
and this was looking at well, baby visits.
30:05
I mean, they looked at sick baby visits.
30:07
So basically they, they took the, the data was based on the
30:11
number of visits that, that they showed up for with things like
30:14
ear infection instead of just showing for a checkup, you know,
30:17
where they often get vaccines at the checkup when the child was
30:20
actually sick and therefore called the doctor.
30:23
That's what they were looking at.
30:24
Those data showed that the vaccinated kids were sick much,
30:28
much more often with the ear infections and those sorts of
30:30
things. They just basically had a
30:32
weakened immune system because the vaccines, the vaccines, you
30:36
know, will protect you against one disease or maybe sometimes 3
30:40
diseases at the same time, making your immune system
30:43
generically less capable of handling everything else.
30:46
I think that's what I think the vaccines set you back on your
30:49
innate immunity every time you get a vaccine.
30:52
And so by the time you've gotten all those vaccines, your immune
30:54
system is basically, you know, really, really disturbed in
30:58
terms of the ability to just fight off anything that comes
31:00
along. But so are you saying that
31:05
vaccines do work? Well, they if they can develop,
31:09
they can cause you to develop antibodies.
31:11
With antibodies is never a good solution in my opinion.
31:13
I think that your body develops antibodies to the, to the
31:17
antigens that are in the in the virus because the innate immune
31:23
system couldn't handle the disease.
31:24
So if you have a a severe case of measles, your body will
31:28
develop antibodies to help fight it off.
31:30
It's, it's a, it's a backup system because you're in innate
31:33
immunity is too weak to to handle it.
31:36
If you clear the disease naturally without having to have
31:40
anything specific, your body doesn't bother to develop
31:43
antibodies. But when you get a, a severe
31:46
case of the disease, then the antibodies come into play and
31:49
they will remember that disease and then be ready to fight again
31:53
if it comes again. So that's a kind of protection
31:55
that is put in place in the body only for the backup system for
31:59
when the innate immune system isn't good enough to handle it.
32:02
That's what's working with natural systems.
32:05
But with the vaccines, you're basically forcing you to choose
32:09
the antibody approach because you, you know, you've bypassed
32:13
all the mucosal membranes. You've got it injected into the
32:16
body beyond the membranes. And so it looks like this, this
32:20
virus has breached the barriers and therefore you need to get
32:24
the antibodies going to put, you know, to protect you from this
32:26
fake virus, which is actually the vaccine.
32:29
It forces you to make those antibodies.
32:31
It forces you to take a step that is beyond what you would
32:34
normally do with innate immunity.
32:36
You see what I'm trying to say here?
32:37
That's a little complicated, but I believe that the, the, the,
32:42
the vaccines make your immune immune system choose the
32:46
alternative pathway that normally only happens when your
32:49
immune system is too weak to handle it.
32:51
And so, and then those antibodies have all kinds of
32:53
risk for causing autoimmune disease because you get
32:56
molecular mimicry and these antibodies to the virus can end
32:59
up attacking human proteins and causing disease.
33:02
You know, and that's how you get things like eczema and asthma
33:05
and and even, you know, multiple sclerosis, I mean some really
33:08
nasty auto autoimmune, rheumatoid arthritis, all these
33:12
things and inflammatory bowel, you know, you have all kinds of
33:15
celiac disease. It's just a huge list of of
33:18
autoimmune diseases that happen because the antibodies are
33:23
attacking the human proteins by mistake.
33:25
Do you think COVID was a real thing?
33:28
Well, I think it was probably a lab escape.
33:30
And then the question is whether it was intentional or natural.
33:33
I remember going through that whole period wanting to know
33:36
what is the truth here and reading all these different
33:39
papers and trying to sort it out.
33:41
It was a wild ride. It was so amazing to realise
33:46
finally to become convinced that it was a lab escape.
33:49
And, and so then and then also what was the lab doing?
33:52
You know, so there's like layers of questions that end up you're
33:56
being puzzled over choice X or choice Y and you don't know
34:00
which one's right. So like if they were working
34:04
with these viruses and ended up producing this gain of function
34:08
virus, what was the reason why they were doing that right?
34:11
It was it to try to develop a vaccine?
34:15
Was it to for warfare, you know, biological warfare?
34:19
You don't, that's one question. You don't know the answer there.
34:22
And then, then the fact that it was released from the lab, was
34:24
that accidental or was that intentional is another question
34:27
to ask. And I don't have answers, you
34:29
know, but I, I'm quite certain that it's not just a natural
34:32
thing. It had to do with human mucking
34:35
around with viruses and, and we have that capability.
34:39
We know how to do it, how to make viruses more toxic and, you
34:43
know, more virulent. And, and the things that are
34:45
different between the COVID SARS Co V2 and SARS Co V2, SARS Co
34:52
V1, the differences are things that are remarkably clever.
34:59
I mean, there's sort of thing you would think of doing, if
35:00
you, if you understood the biology of it, to put in this
35:03
exact sequence that would allow it, you know, to do to, to bind
35:08
to the receptor, this heart, you know, the ACE 2 inhibitor, ACE 2
35:14
receptor and the and, and there's a fear and cleavage
35:18
side. You know, there's like stuff in
35:19
there that you're like, it looks like it's by design, by human
35:23
design. So then following on from my
35:27
question, what do you make of terrain theory?
35:29
Do you think this this this validity in it?
35:32
Absolutely. I, I totally embrace it for
35:36
sure. And that's why I feel like you
35:38
need to live a natural, healthy life to keep your immune system
35:42
strong. Your immune system is so
35:43
important for your health, really number one, and the way
35:46
you keep it strong is by living a natural lifestyle.
35:50
You said earlier that you don't like supplements.
35:53
Now I love that you said that because I have a love hate
35:57
relationship with them. So my, excuse me, my my primary
36:03
approach is a supplement is in addition to, which means that
36:09
something is deficient. So you should sort that out.
36:13
So you only take supplements when you're not getting that
36:16
thing in what you're eating or drinking.
36:19
So shouldn't the focus be on sorting out what's on your plate
36:23
rather than taking the pill? Absolutely.
36:26
I mean, I always feel that if you feel like you're deficient
36:28
in something to go find out what foods have a lot of it and eat
36:31
those, you know, just change your diet.
36:33
I definitely think that's the right way to do it.
36:35
And I've actually, it's interesting because supplements
36:38
are very, very different. They're not the same thing, you
36:41
know, you think it's the same thing.
36:43
And of course, they're also out of context.
36:44
If you just take a, a pill that's pure or something rather,
36:48
you know, a, a, a pure version of a particular molecule as a
36:52
pill. That's so unnatural.
36:54
The way that molecules being delivered is extremely unnatural
36:58
like a just a vitamin D pill. You know, vitamin D all by
37:01
itself in pure form is crazy. As far as your your natural
37:06
system doesn't know how to handle that properly.
37:08
And a good example is folic acid cause folic acid is terrible.
37:12
It's a fortification that they require in the bread in America.
37:16
I don't think you do in South Africa.
37:17
But I don't know, we require folic acid and and iron
37:22
supplement fortification in the in the bread and I think that's
37:25
a really bad idea. Folic acid is a synthetic
37:28
version of folate and folate is naturally found in green
37:32
vegetables and lots of other foods.
37:34
So if you get a good diet, you're getting enough folate in
37:37
your diet. Folic acid, it, it normally the
37:41
folate gets handled by the gut microbes and turned into methyl
37:44
tetrahydrofolate, which is very important molecule in the
37:47
methylation pathways. But folic acid, the microbes
37:50
don't know what to do with it. So they just ship it over to the
37:53
liver. And then the liver is tasked
37:55
with converting it into methyl tetrahydrofolate, which takes a
37:58
lot of effort for the liver and draws it away from other things
38:02
that it would rather be doing. You know, So the liver is busy
38:04
trying to convert this folic acid into the proper form.
38:08
And, and, and often if you're taking high doses of folic acid,
38:11
the liver just can't handle it all.
38:13
So it just lets it go out into circulation as folic acid, which
38:16
is really bad because then it binds to the folate receptors in
38:19
the brain and blocks the regular folate from getting there.
38:22
So you end up with a cerebral folate deficiency as a
38:26
consequence of eating too much folic acid.
38:29
So it's very ironic that by virtue of taking high doses of
38:33
something that you think is providing you with folate, it's
38:35
actually interfering with folate supply to the brain.
38:39
I remember when I was pregnant there was a big discussion
38:43
around folic acid and being pregnant.
38:45
Apparently it right. It's not good.
38:47
Well, it's interesting because the, the big reason for it was
38:49
to protect from neural tube defects.
38:51
The idea was, oh, if you don't, if you don't have enough folate,
38:54
then the, the brain of the, of the infant can develop
38:57
incorrectly and you can get some really nasty, you know, lethal
39:01
effects that the child is not viable if there's not enough
39:05
folate. So that's why you think, oh, we
39:06
got to make sure they get plenty of folic acid.
39:08
And so they, they, they pretty routinely encourage women to
39:13
take folic acid as a supplement when they're pregnant.
39:15
And it's a bad idea. You know, again, it's that you
39:18
need it. They need the natural form.
39:20
And people don't appreciate that.
39:21
Even the doctors don't appreciate that.
39:25
Now the counter argument, and I've had this many times, is,
39:29
well, we don't get enough of these nutrients in our food.
39:32
Our food is already deficient, the soil is deficient.
39:36
So therefore we do need to take supplements particularly, yeah,
39:39
particularly vitamin D. If you live in Scandinavia,
39:43
there isn't enough sun. Well, it's a good point, but
39:46
again, I would say eat a lot of foods that contain vitamin D
39:49
because you can, you know, like this seals, for example, up
39:52
north, you know, they've got very little sun, but they eat a
39:56
lot of seal fat, which has lots of vitamin D in it.
39:59
And even the fat in fish has vitamin D and and animal based
40:03
fats have vitamin D. If I come, I mean, if the cow
40:05
was hanging out in the sunlight, which it might not be, but yeah,
40:10
right. I mean, there's have been a lot
40:11
of people talking about mineral deficiency and they maybe have a
40:14
valid point. I suspect they do.
40:16
And part of that is glyphosate because glyphosate binds to
40:19
minerals and makes them unavailable.
40:21
I remember the first lecture I heard on glyphosate.
40:23
Glyphosate is the active ingredient in Roundup.
40:26
And that's my book and Roundup. And it's a very, it's pervasive
40:29
in the environment in the United States.
40:31
It's all over the food supply. It it's really scary.
40:34
I've had friends, my friend Zen Hunnicutt, who founded the
40:37
organisation called Moms Across America, and she's had lots of
40:40
testing done of different kinds of foods.
40:43
She had her, her mom's go collect school lunch, school
40:46
lunch foods and ship them off and get them tested. 95% we're
40:51
positive for glyphosate. And she had fast food, you know,
40:54
from the fast food restaurants, 100% were contaminated with
40:57
glyphosate. So it is all over the food
40:59
supply in this country. The government thinks it's
41:01
perfectly safe, so they don't worry about it.
41:03
They don't bother to test even. So that's really, really
41:06
frustrating for me. Why is it being used?
41:10
Why is it being used? It kills weeds.
41:11
It's very effective in agriculture to make your foods
41:14
cheap because you don't have to get higher people to pull the
41:17
weeds out. You can just spray.
41:18
And they have all these crops that are engineered to be
41:21
resistant to glyphosate through genetic, you know, genetic
41:25
engineering. And they can just spray the crop
41:27
with the glyphosate doesn't die. And they even use it at harvest.
41:31
They spray wheat, barley, oats, chickpeas, garbanzo beans at
41:34
harvest, right before harvest with glyphosate as a as a drying
41:38
agent. And then those foods have really
41:40
high levels of glyphosate in them.
41:42
They're not. They're not GMO, but they're
41:44
highly contaminated with glyphosate.
41:47
How do you get around it though? I mean, how does agriculture?
41:50
Well, that is a huge question. That's what we need to work on.
41:53
I feel like we're smart enough, we should be able to do it.
41:55
And one possibility I think is the technology because there's
41:59
these fancy tractors coming out that are, you know, robotic
42:03
tractors that can drive themselves.
42:05
They can have vision capabilities, they can recognise
42:08
which, which of the plants are weeds and which ones aren't.
42:11
They can carry some boiling water and just, you know,
42:14
selectively kill the weed. I mean, I think it's possible
42:16
They can run on solar energy. They have solar panels.
42:20
They're they're producing these fancy tractors one's called the
42:22
Monarch that I'm aware of that are that maybe can help to
42:28
alleviate the the problem of weeds without having to get
42:30
people out there to pull them because human resources are very
42:33
expensive. And that's, that's the big
42:35
issue, I think that you don't have to hire, we have these mega
42:38
farms now that are pure corn, you know, or pure soy.
42:42
That's the only amount of crop and it's GMO engineered.
42:46
So then you can just spray the glyphosate, the weeds go away.
42:49
It's very convenient. You know, it's, it's, it makes
42:52
food cheap. We should be not doing that sort
42:55
of monoculture mega farming. Oh I totally agree.
42:59
Absolutely. I, I really push for the small
43:02
family farm concept and just growing a lot of different
43:04
things and even maybe not worrying so much about the
43:07
weeds, you know, because the weeds actually help to enrich
43:11
the soil. I mean, they have some benefits.
43:14
And so you could just kind of be more relaxed about the weeds and
43:17
just harvest the crop and, and have a lot of different things
43:21
growing, you know, fruit trees and things like that.
43:24
It's doable. I mean, in many small family
43:27
farms, they don't grow, you know, corn and soy.
43:30
They grow lots of different vegetables and stuff and they
43:33
may have some cows. Well, I was just going to say
43:35
this whole issue of refurbishing the soil, you know, not just
43:38
organic, not just certified organic, but regenerative
43:41
agriculture is really important to try to guess the soil is, is
43:44
really sick right now. That's one thing about the
43:46
chemicals. And as I said, glyphosate
43:48
depletes the metals. In fact, I, I, I talked about
43:51
this talk, I didn't quite finish it because Don Hubert presented
43:54
data that he had collected showing that plants, food crops
43:59
that were exposed to glyphosate had way lower levels of all
44:02
kinds of critical minerals, you know, like magnesium and zinc
44:06
and, and, and, and manganese and copper.
44:09
All these things were way down, even sulphur were way down
44:13
compared to the crop that was not grown in the presence of
44:16
glyphosate. So even the GMO crops, they have
44:19
this gene that protects them so they don't die, but that doesn't
44:23
mean they still aren't affected in terms of the minerals, that
44:25
they don't take up as many minerals as they should.
44:28
And then when you eat that plant and you're not getting as much
44:31
as many minerals as you would normally get, and that is an
44:34
issue and that and you could even argue that that's such a
44:36
big issue that you need to take mineral supplements, you know.
44:39
What does glyphosate do to you? Oh gosh, it does so many things.
44:43
It's unbelievable. I, I believe that it's the
44:47
primary cause of, of the epidemic we're seeing today in
44:50
America in a long list of diseases, including especially
44:53
to obesity, diabetes, autism, ADHD, pancreatic cancer, thyroid
44:59
cancer, inflammatory bowel disease, liver disease, kidney
45:02
disease. I mean, there's a huge list and
45:05
liver cancer, kidney cancer, all even probably breast cancer.
45:10
I mean, just, it's, it's an endocrine disruptor.
45:12
It, it's Parkinson's disease. I mean, it's amazing.
45:16
All these diseases are going up and dementia, you know,
45:19
Alzheimer's, all of them are going up dramatically over time
45:22
in this country. We're getting so sick and, and,
45:26
and we don't seem to care. The government doesn't seem to
45:29
mind. And well, lately it does mind,
45:31
right? There's a big deal with the new
45:33
government. I'm really appreciative of RFK
45:35
Junior. He's really putting out a
45:37
message that, you know, we're sick and we need to figure out
45:40
why we need to fix it. And, and that gives me hope.
45:43
I really am very excited about potentially seeing some changes
45:48
in the government in terms of paying attention to these
45:50
problems and, and really doing the research to get to the
45:53
bottom of it. But I think the bottom of it has
45:55
a lot to do with glyphosate. It it's considered to be
45:59
perfectly safe for humans. It's pervasive.
46:03
People use it carelessly in their yards to kill the
46:05
dandelions even when the kids are out playing.
46:07
They just don't know that it's not safe.
46:10
And and it, and in my book, I talk about it's insidious
46:13
cumulative mechanism of toxicity that has to do with its role as
46:17
an analogue of glycine. I think it's a really unique
46:20
property of this chemical. It is a glycine molecule.
46:23
Glycine is an amino acid. It's the smallest amino acid
46:26
that goes into the proteins. You know, it's one of the coding
46:29
amino acids very, very important in many different proteins like
46:33
essential. If you have a glycine this
46:34
particular spot and if there's a mutation that gets changed into
46:37
alanine, then that protein doesn't work anymore.
46:40
So there's like really many, many proteins that have critical
46:43
glycines. And I think the glycosate is
46:45
actually getting into the proteins by mistake in places,
46:48
the glycine all over your body and, and certain proteins are
46:52
very susceptible to disruption if glyphosate does that.
46:57
And so and, and that, and there's many proteins that
46:59
glyphosate has been shown to suppress that have highly
47:02
conserved glycines at places where they bind phosphate.
47:05
And that's sort of what I think is a critical situation in which
47:09
glyphosate is going to cause trouble.
47:11
And so my book talks about all these different proteins that
47:14
are associated with these various diseases that are going
47:16
up dramatically, exactly in step with the rising glyphosate
47:19
usage. It's a beautiful puzzle to put
47:21
together and it works really well.
47:23
The industry, you know, they, they did studies in which they
47:25
tried 1000 different chemicals. There were tweaks on glyphosate.
47:29
They were looking for something else that might do the same
47:31
thing, might be as good as glyphosate, something different,
47:34
because they always want to have some, some new chemical they can
47:37
patent, you know, and they looked at 1000 different things
47:40
and none of them worked. None of them worked anywhere
47:42
near as well as glycine as glyphosate did.
47:44
And none of them were amino acid antibiotics of glycine.
47:47
So that's the critical thing with glyphosate that makes it so
47:49
special. So if I'm driving past a farm
47:55
and I see one of those planes flying over the crops spraying
47:59
that stuff, is it most likely that?
48:02
I hope you don't have the top down when you're driving.
48:06
Yeah, people have gotten it. I have gotten an email from
48:08
people who like someone was walking her dog when they
48:11
sprayed and they got and they basically got hit by the spray
48:14
and then she and her dog both got really sick after that.
48:16
I mean, it's really sad. It can be that simple that if
48:19
you just have one accident, it can ruin your life.
48:23
But then why does the government not care?
48:25
Or is that? On purpose, that's the
48:27
$1,000,000 question. I think they've been convinced
48:30
by the industry that we can't live without glyphosate.
48:33
Like it's so essential for us to feed our nation that if we
48:36
didn't have glyphosate, what would we do?
48:38
We'd all starve. You know that.
48:40
That's the message that the industry conveys.
48:42
And I think the government, individuals tend to believe it.
48:47
They're worried that if they tried to ban glyphosate, we'd
48:49
all starve. And, and they may have a point
48:52
because we haven't figured out how to do without it.
48:54
You know, we've gotten complacent.
48:56
We'd have to hire a lot of people to pull weeds or we'd
48:58
have to have a, a great, a great decrease in yield, you would
49:01
think, you know, if you're not dealing with the weeds.
49:05
So you need alternative solutions.
49:06
And that's why I think this Monarch, for example, these
49:09
tractors could be one way. And there's also people are
49:12
trying to develop natural herbicides that could kill the
49:16
weeds without harming humans, you know, because we don't have
49:20
any good choices for herbicides. People say, well, maybe they'll
49:23
just get rid of glyphosate. Then they'll use 24-D or dicamba
49:27
or, or the phosphonate. Those are all supposedly much
49:30
more toxic than glyphosate. So it's kind of like out of a
49:32
frying pan into the fire. You know, if you ban glyphosate
49:35
and just switch over to some of these others after seeing
49:38
they're all bad, I, I think you can't use chemical herbicides
49:42
period on crops if you want a healthy population.
49:44
That's what I believe. It reminds me of of of people
49:50
switching sugar for fake sugar. Oh, I know, that's another
49:54
nightmare. Oh gosh, yes.
49:58
Oh, well, it's not sugar. Well, no, it's not.
50:00
It's like xylitol or whatever, but it's a chemical.
50:03
Oh absolutely. I have never taken any of those
50:06
sweeteners that are not natural in my whole life.
50:09
I mean, unless by accident someone gave me something that I
50:12
didn't realise had, you know, by choice, I'm always very careful
50:16
not to eat any of those alternative sweeteners that are
50:20
supposed to be calorie free and that sort of thing.
50:23
The people around me seem to have gone back to how things
50:27
were. How short are people's memories?
50:31
I know, actually, it surprises me that there aren't more people
50:34
who are aware of how bad the vaccines are, because to me it's
50:38
so obvious that that they're not.
50:40
They, they, they work for a short while.
50:42
The am I, they, they, the COVID vaccines, the mRNA vaccines,
50:48
there's a period right after the vaccine where you're more
50:52
vulnerable to COVID than you were before, during the period
50:54
when your body's adjusting to the vaccine.
50:57
And then once you get the antibodies after maybe a month,
50:59
right, you've got a short window of time where you're protected.
51:03
Like if you get the disease during that time, it'll be
51:05
milder. I, I, I admit that that it does
51:08
actually protect you from severe disease because it's made you
51:10
make those antibodies, but those antibodies can really 'cause you
51:13
a lot of trouble in other ways, like through autoimmune disease
51:17
and, and then the vaccine actually, if you keep on
51:19
getting, so then you have to get another booster 'cause it runs
51:22
out. That's the really horrible
51:23
thing. It runs out.
51:24
So now every six months, you know, you've got another shot
51:27
and every time you get one, you're putting more poison into
51:29
your body and eventually you just, it really hurts your
51:34
health in big ways. And obviously the heart problems
51:38
that we're seeing and even neurodegenerative problems,
51:41
thrombosis, you know, the lungs can get a blood clot and you can
51:45
have a pulmonary embolism. I mean, there's all kinds of
51:49
scary things that are happening in response to those vaccines.
51:53
And I don't understand why people still get them.
51:57
And people who have had, you know, 6 or 7 boosters and still
52:00
going at it, it's just crazy. But what makes mRNA so
52:06
dangerous? Yeah, well, that's a long story,
52:09
but it's the engineering is quite sophisticated and clever
52:14
again in ways to try to fool the body.
52:17
But they've they've figured out that the history of developing
52:20
these vaccines goes way back. They've been working on them for
52:23
for decades. That's the 1990s.
52:26
And, and they had this idea that you could give the person the,
52:30
the machinery to make the, the toxic protein that you want them
52:34
to be exposed to. So you give them, instead of
52:36
giving them the spike protein, you give them the code for the
52:39
spike protein in the form of mRNA, which is a very fragile
52:43
molecule. So then the big question was how
52:46
do I keep the body from breaking down the mRNA before it manages
52:50
to get turned into protein? That was a big stumper for them
52:53
and they had to go through a lot of studies and, and designing
52:56
different things and they finally figured out hide it
52:58
inside a lipid nanoparticle. You know, so now you have the
53:01
lipid nanoparticle, which is also all by itself is toxic.
53:06
They, they don't admit that, but it's true.
53:07
You know, the lipid nanoparticles are dangerous by
53:09
themselves, even without the content.
53:12
But the mRNA is hiding inside the lipid nanoparticles so that
53:15
the, the machinery that would break it down can't get to it.
53:19
But then they also just redesigned the mRNA to make it
53:22
really, really sturdy. And one thing they did was to
53:24
take all the uridines and turn them into methyl pseudo uridine,
53:27
which is a very unnatural form of a mesodrna molecule.
53:31
And when they did that, it became the enzymes that would
53:34
normally break it apart. Don't know how to do it anymore
53:37
because just like when you put glyphosate instead of glycine to
53:40
mess things up, but when they put those methyl pseudouridines
53:42
in there, the, the enzyme can't break it down the way it would
53:46
normally do. So the mRNA sticks around for a
53:48
long time. They need it to do that so we
53:50
can make the protein. They want to make it to make
53:51
enough protein so that the immune cells see the protein,
53:54
get the antibodies going. So they were working really hard
53:57
on keeping it from breaking down.
53:58
They also put things on the ends that would help to keep it from
54:01
breaking down. The whole obsession with let's
54:03
keep that mRNA alive as long as we can.
54:06
And then they succeeded wildly, almost beyond their imagination,
54:09
because they're seeing now messenger RNA is still around a
54:13
month later, even maybe two months later, and spike protein
54:16
still around six months later or even longer.
54:19
And I don't know how that spike protein is surviving and whether
54:22
that's because the mRNA got converted to DNA, which has also
54:25
been shown recently in in papers that the mRNA gets converted
54:29
into DNA. And once that happens, the DNA
54:32
can carry the code forever and it can get converted back into
54:35
RNA, back into protein at any time.
54:37
And so you've got these immune cells that are senescent immune
54:40
cells possibly carrying around DNA that is codes for the spike
54:46
protein and that could survive for years in theory.
54:50
So there's some things that are theoretical.
54:52
There's some things that have been shown experimentally.
54:53
There's also DNA contamination in the vaccines.
54:56
There's all kinds of things that are fishy about these vaccines.
54:59
And to think that that they're harmless is just ludicrous.
55:06
And then at 1 stage that, I was saying, oh, that's designed to
55:09
stay in the region. Of the, of the injection, that's
55:12
certainly not true. And they've shown that
55:14
experimentally as well, that it gets into the lymph system, it
55:19
travels to and even it goes to the spleen, it goes to the
55:22
liver, it even goes to the ovaries, you know, the
55:26
reproductive organs and, and everywhere it goes, it causes
55:30
trouble. How did humans survive so many
55:35
thousands of years? I know up.
55:37
Until up until 200 years ago. Right, I know we didn't have any
55:41
of these resources and now we're creating all these monster
55:44
things that I think could do us in actually, I, I can, I'm
55:47
concerned that we may not survive as a species for very
55:51
much longer because we're, we're really hurting the, the
55:53
reproductive system and we're also so many kids are sick like
55:57
autism. The autism rates are through the
55:59
roof here in this country. And at some point as a young
56:02
mother, as a young woman, you may really question the wisdom
56:06
of getting pregnant because there's this high risk of having
56:09
an autistic child, which will completely change your life in
56:12
ways you don't want, you know, to have the responsibility of
56:14
bringing up an autistic child would be such a burden that you
56:18
might say, you know what, I think I just won't have kids.
56:20
I think that's going to be happening, or maybe it is
56:22
already happening with the young people today, that there's too
56:26
much risk involved in not producing a healthy child that
56:30
you just decide to bypass that whole part of life and just do
56:33
without, you know, And then if enough people do that, we don't
56:36
reproduce ourselves. All it takes is a reproductive
56:39
rate that's under replacement and time and we'll run out, you
56:43
know? But that that stats seems to
56:46
apply for almost every country now.
56:48
Yeah, so many countries are down below the reproductive rate at
56:51
this point. And it looks like to me it's
56:53
just going to chase us out of the out of the earth because
56:56
we'll just shrink in population over time until we are no more.
57:01
There'll be too few of us to be able to carry on.
57:04
The amount of women struggling to fall pregnant is also.
57:08
I know that's the other thing. One is just choosing not to have
57:10
a child because it's too risky to have a bad child, a child
57:13
that's defective. And two, is not being able to
57:16
get pregnant. That's also a huge problem.
57:18
The fertility infertility clinics are really thriving in
57:21
this country. And people are also, you know,
57:24
young people are harvesting their eggs and putting them in
57:27
in a deep freeze, right? A lot of women are doing that.
57:30
The young women, they're like, OK, I don't want to have a kid
57:32
right now. I'm busy.
57:32
You know, I'll just harvest my eggs and put them into the
57:35
freezer. And then when I'm 3637, I'll
57:38
pull them out and get pregnant. And, and, and people are doing
57:41
that, you know, sort of reassuring that they won't be
57:43
without children in the long run.
57:45
And then finding out that all those eggs, none of those eggs
57:47
are viable. And so they end up, you know, no
57:50
children. I mean, that's happening too,
57:52
but. Give me a negative wisdom.
57:58
Well, I mean, as you know that my whole thing is just live a
58:01
natural life. I think that's so key just to
58:04
think if this is not natural, don't do it for everything that
58:07
you might think, think about doing, only do it if it's
58:10
natural. And that's been my philosophy
58:12
all my life. And I think it's worked well for
58:15
me because I feel like I'm very healthy, especially considering
58:19
my age. You know, it's I'm at that age
58:21
when people start to fall apart. And so far so good.
58:23
So we hope that'll continue, but we don't know.
58:27
Well, you also live in Hawaii. Maybe that's also another key to
58:30
success. Move to Hawaii.
58:32
Well, I do love Hawaii. It is so beautiful and so much
58:34
sunlight, you know, and great weather.
58:36
So you always want to be outdoors.
58:37
I spent a lot of time outdoors. I was just figuring out probably
58:40
four or five hours every day outdoors.
58:44
You have great weather there. It's actually really, really
58:46
nice. There's a lot to be said about
58:49
Cape Town. I really, I think it's a great
58:51
place. I mean it has some issues with
58:53
the black white problem but. Oh no, it's huge.
58:57
That's a huge problem and the crime rates are a bit high and
59:00
the government may not be perfect, but but the place is
59:04
beautiful. Table Mountain, you know, the
59:05
ocean. It's really nice.
59:07
There is a sense of freedom, though, in in all the chaos.
59:11
Interesting. Stephanie, how can my audience
59:14
get your book and we'll follow your work in general?
59:17
Yeah, well, my book Toxic Legacy would be something to read if
59:21
you want to learn about glyphosate.
59:24
It's on Amazon. On Amazon, yes.
59:28
And and then my web page is Stephanie sandiff.net.
59:33
There's some information there, but I have a lot of published
59:36
papers. Yes, you've been with MIT
59:39
forever. Yes, ever since I undergraduate,
59:42
yes, I, I got my undergraduate degree in biology actually at
59:45
MIT many, many years ago, and then a master's EE and PhD
59:49
degrees in electrical engineering and computer
59:51
science. And then most of my career was
59:53
spent writing code, computer code to help computers learn how
59:57
to communicate with humans using natural language.
59:59
That was my really my career path until 22,007, when it was
1:00:05
when I sort of got interested in autism and wanted to figure it
1:00:08
out. Figure out what was causing the
1:00:10
autism epidemic and that's the rest of it is history.
1:00:12
I mean, I've basically gotten completely back into biology,
1:00:17
had a really good time learning about biology the last two
1:00:20
decades. And I feel like I'm really
1:00:23
making headway and understanding what the issues are and why
1:00:27
we're so unhealthy and all of this and how to fix it is I sort
1:00:31
of know how to fix it, but I don't know how to make it
1:00:33
happen. You know, because we've got so
1:00:34
much resistance to where we need to go from industries and so and
1:00:42
also governments. It's just like really difficult
1:00:44
to know the path. I think I know what the path
1:00:47
should be, but I don't know how to make it happen.
1:00:50
I actually forgot that you were so connected to computer science
1:00:54
and I we'll get grilled if I don't ask you even just very
1:00:57
quickly, your views on AI. Oh, I know.
1:01:00
It's actually really, really interesting right now.
1:01:02
And I'm amazed at how quickly the technology I was working on
1:01:06
has matured to the point where it's useful.
1:01:09
You know, I actually never thought it would be useful back
1:01:11
when I was developing these systems that could communicate
1:01:15
using speech. I just thought it was way too
1:01:16
hard and it would never happen. And I almost lost, you know, got
1:01:20
out of a job because it, it worked so well.
1:01:22
The industry took over and it was hard for me to figure out
1:01:25
what I could do to improve upon what the industry was already
1:01:28
doing at the point when it became commoditized.
1:01:31
And and now it's just unbelievable.
1:01:34
The AI, the sophistication of AI and what it can do, the ChatGPT
1:01:38
kind of thing, you know, all the AI chat bots, unbelievable.
1:01:42
And of course they make mistakes, but they can be very
1:01:45
useful to help anybody learn something.
1:01:47
Even you have to be aware of the mistakes, but you can learn so
1:01:51
much just by chatting with one of these devices.
1:01:54
And then of course, they're taking over on so many jobs.
1:01:57
Even jobs like writing code, you know, it's pretty amazing that
1:02:01
the computer can do a pretty good job of writing code.
1:02:03
You can just have to provide it with a description of what you
1:02:05
want and it can in whatever coding language you want and it
1:02:09
can come up with code. And then you can just kind of,
1:02:12
you might have to tweak it, you know, it might not be perfect,
1:02:15
but it's a very different kind of job from what it was when I
1:02:18
wrote code where you had to do it all by hand, you know, And so
1:02:21
even people, even in my lab, there's discussion around what
1:02:26
is the future of our, of our fields.
1:02:28
You know, if you're getting a degree in computer science
1:02:31
today, that's back in the day, you were sort of like, if you
1:02:35
could code that was really good. You know, you're a really good
1:02:37
coder. That's probably not the case
1:02:40
anymore. And, and you sort of need to
1:02:41
readjust to a different way of, of writing code, a different way
1:02:46
of writing a novel, even you know that you can have the
1:02:48
computer help you write the novel, even maybe create the
1:02:51
plot. I mean, and of course vision,
1:02:53
vision things as well, like in advertising, being able to
1:02:57
create images for advertising using midway for mid journey,
1:03:03
for example, It's pretty amazing and that it creates these images
1:03:07
that are not copyrighted. So that's going to cause all
1:03:10
kinds of problems with artists, you know, and, and, and what is
1:03:14
the value of the artist now that the computer can do the same
1:03:16
thing? Many, many open questions about
1:03:18
what's going to happen with various career paths.
1:03:21
That used to be a sure thing, and now we just don't know how
1:03:26
much of that, of what we humans used to do can be done better by
1:03:30
the computer. And to what extent will that
1:03:33
cause career paths to fail that I think it's a very difficult
1:03:38
time to graduate from college. And then to think about what am
1:03:41
I going to do next, you know, and to know what's the best
1:03:44
choice for a career path that's going to be durable despite all
1:03:49
this that's happening with the AI.
1:03:50
So really interesting times in that respect.
1:03:54
Do you agree with Elon Musk that it's an existential threat?
1:03:58
I think I probably do, yes. We're, we're at a time when
1:04:02
there are so many problems, you know, we could maybe encourage
1:04:05
people to go buy a piece of land and and grow some organic food.
1:04:08
You know, that might be the safest bet, I think, as far as
1:04:12
the career path at this point. OK, well, on that note,
1:04:16
Stephanie Seneff, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
1:04:18
Thank you. It was fun.
1:04:19
Thanks.