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Bear Bones: To IR and Back Again, 2025 Week 7: New Orleans Saints @ Chicago Bears · 2nd City Gridiron

• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Bear Bombs!
• 0:44
  [UNKNOWN]: With your hold Dr. Mason Webb
• 1:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, bears fans are a good morning for let's see this tomorrow in your commute I'm not really sure.
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to this episode of Bear Bones.
• 1:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: My name as always is Mason West.
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I am here to preview the game against the Saints.
• 1:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bears will take them on at Soldier Field at home.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was really concerned that I was going to have to do this solo, but the man, the myth, the legend.
• 1:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: former friend of the podcast former co-host of the podcast now friend of the podcast again came to the rescue Kari Thompson, Kari, how are you doing man?
• 1:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Doing good, you know, it's funny you're talking about whenever you're watching this so I'm going whenever you're listening to this podcast because I was just came back from Paris slash Switzerland
• 1:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, in my first time being in Europe actually was just this past week and I took the time difference was killing me like so on on Monday night or rather Tuesday morning where I was at my daughter and I are at the airport.
• 2:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: and out there Monday night football starts at 2.15 a.m.
• 2:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm over here like watching the game in the ride over to the airport and watching the final drive as the boarding process is about to start and it's it's five in the morning.
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't even fathom that and then you know make just applicable directly to football like the teams that have to doubt that travel right and have to go and play these London games these games and I you know I doubling all that stuff like I just can't fathom it to be honest.
• 2:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just so crazy and obviously teams do what they can to try to manage it, but it's still just a whole thing.
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know what, I feel like people talking about like, why didn't like Aaron Rogers earlier this year was like, I don't know why we flew into London so late and having done that flight now and then imagine doing a quick turnaround.
• 3:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It took me like two days to feel normal.
• 3:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, I turned back around, you know, five days total and I'm back in the US and I swear I slept 12 hours when I came back home.
• 3:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that is tough so I feel for you NFL players doing these international games
• 3:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, speaking of done speaking of recovery, we're actually going to go right into our training room around up today.
• 3:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Have a conversation here about what is going on with the Bears and Saints injury reports.
• 3:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was to keep in mind, the Bears owns a little weird.
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yesterday, they just did a walk through.
• 3:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it was all estimated, whatever that means half the time.
• 3:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's in theory what they would have done if they were going to actually participate doing a regular practice, but then today,
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: a little more on the nose and then the biggest one being tomorrow.
• 4:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: But let's just do it right out in terms of the ones that did not participate because those will be the biggest great year, Kyro Santos, no school.
• 4:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm the great year from Brad Baker reported he had a procedure done today.
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, what does a procedure mean?
• 4:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It could be everything as little as had fluid drain from his knee all the way to he literally went in and had a cleanup, right?
• 4:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there could have been some intragic or damage in there that they went in and literally sniped away.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we won't get what that specific was at least at this point in time.
• 4:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, he's in terms of assigning this has been a disappointing one.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think I understand why you did it.
• 4:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to revamp on both sides of the ball.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: But to me, when he signed, I felt like this was always going to be a, well, we'll see how much you have left in the tank.
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, a tremendous player throughout his career.
• 4:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But...
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, you take a flyer on it, see how it works.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it has not worked.
• 5:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have a couple of those every single time you go in a free agency.
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's why you want to make sure that you draft really well.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, 32 years old.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it is what it is.
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: What are you going to do?
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Really quickly to pump out the Noah's rule.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you're watching the game, you saw he had a friendly fire.
• 5:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: He just smashed around the top of the head there.
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was concerned.
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was seeing him next to my wife, and I was my first, I was, man, I hope he's going to be able to get up and walk.
• 5:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I laugh at that, but it just because, I mean,
• 5:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's scary stuff.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're worried about spinal compression of fractured vertebrae, luckily it was a concussion.
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Did not participate for the last two days and will more than likely be out going forward.
• 5:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he was getting some consistent snaps in that game.
• 5:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, there's a good chance that you're inactive draft pick that people really did not like from the summer may actually have to be active this game if no a soul is not available to be that third lineback or what you will not be.
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's be real.
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, he's definitely not playing.
• 6:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, I'm watching the game on mute when this happens.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And at first I was like, oh, man, it's like somebody like commit a penalty.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: What happened here?
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why do they keep showing this replay over and over again?
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I've had that happen to me.
• 6:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've gotten friendly, fired into an injury, into a concussion like that.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is absolutely not fun.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're 1,000% not seeing him this week.
• 6:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: and it's a shame because I feel like no a soul from the bit that I've watched him this year.
• 6:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, you know, four fourth round pick, so you're not necessarily looking at him like, oh my god, like he's God gets, you know, God's gift to live backers.
• 6:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I've liked what he's done.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And is in his relief action, you know, for, you know, TJ Edwards and I thought that
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's been kind of flying around, you know, doing what he does.
• 6:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like again, yeah, but this isn't not necessarily elite, but when he gets to the ball, he's making plays.
• 7:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like there's, for what he is, I think there's a lot to like about what he's done so far.
• 7:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the shame that he's going to have to sit out.
• 7:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then the last of those DMPs, Carlos Santos, looks like you're gonna get another Jake Moody game.
• 7:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ben Johnson did confirm that Carlos Santos is the primary kicker when he's healthy, so there's not a kicking competition or conundrum that's gonna happen going forward here.
• 7:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, Jake Moody obviously did well three or four missed that one where he got blocked.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: game winning kick, but we know, you know, extra points he's been, he was finding his career, but when it came to the consistency, especially over 50 yards, I believe is chilling around like 50% if I a little less than that for his career so far.
• 7:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's a reason I come from San Francisco.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I do find it interesting how many people were clamoring almost to make this a competition.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think so much of it is based on
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: what Cairo Santos can't do, you know, ostensibly.
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have a big leg.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Very accurate, you know, inside the 40 and you roll the dice and, you know, hope that maybe he can hit from 50, which I think he's got potential to surprise you there.
• 8:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But just not like Jake Moody has,
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, incredible range himself.
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think his like career high wasn't really all that much deeper than Santos.
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Camera exactly what it was.
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought maybe he said 9 in college, 57 in the pros.
• 8:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: 57 in the pros.
• 8:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like, oh, yeah, he's hitting from 60 all the time with these other guys in the accuracy isn't there.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like.
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: people get bored with what really consistent, but you know, really consistent, but not spectacular guys can do, and you want a taste of, oh, maybe this new guy can show me something.
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a little bit different, but I feel like, by and large, you're happy when Cairo Santos is your kicker.
• 9:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it means you're not getting 60 plus yard vehicles.
• 9:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I get that, but it means that just about everything you're getting inside of 50 yards is going in.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a big deal, right?
• 9:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: You will take that.
• 9:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... i feel like barisans forget the kicking carousel that went on not all that long ago when you had guys like uh... bednorsky uh... kicking kick in the football and also for those people who called for eddie pinero said also part that can competition got run out of town a little bit here and then he's doing quite well now for the team he's taking for so you know all that matters and i think in the day that i if i guess the kicker that's going to be here in two thousand twenty seven two thousand twenty eight is probably not currently on the roster so
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Keep the guy that at least, you know, we pervading sister's gonna kick, make kicks for you.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially if this is a team that you're thinking you want to make a bit of a playoff push with, why are you gonna change out your veteran kicker who's good when he's health?
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, as long as he's here, why would you do that?
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, don't shift variables right now.
• 10:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll revisit this after the season, and we'll go from there, don't, don't mess with, don't switch to Jake Moody, right?
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no evidence that suggests that that's a good idea.
• 10:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Elfins in the room, the DJ Moore situation, was it finished the last game, no problem.
• 10:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, a little shaken up a couple of times in the game.
• 10:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: You could tell if you look back at the film, especially there's some plays where he just not 100%.
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Was in the lock room celebrating the teammates, and then ended up having a lot of hospital.
• 10:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, he was diagnosed with a groin.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't think of a true groin muscle injury that would have a priorit hospitalization.
• 10:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it happened to DJ Moore.
• 10:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's all speculative.
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it could have,
• 10:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not trying to get too much into this because this has been this and you're trying to be a whole thing, I mean, it could be a hernia or something like that, but it's basically having to do his private parts.
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've heard to seek their torsion, it's not that.
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's an emergency situation if it truly was where you're getting surgery, just because literally blood flow could cut off to your testicles and you could lose them if you don't do that right away.
• 11:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: If it's a true torsion, so that's surgery and that's at least two to six weeks of recovery.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a limited participants.
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, my guess is a hydroceal and that's the fancy way of saying swollen testicles.
• 11:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: You got me got you at hit and and something you
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's especially when you think about the situation, goes to law-proom, so I bring a teammate to go that change.
• 11:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: You notice, oh, there's something happening here.
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I take coach, trainer, what's going on?
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, shoot, let's just get you checked out.
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't want to spend too much time on that, but, you know, he was limited today.
• 11:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll see what happens tomorrow.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: He may be available this week.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that sounds like a perfect analogy, especially when I look back at the story about it from like cordy chrono.
• 11:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a bit of a personal thing going on there.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, a delicate situation, a private matter if I might venture to say that.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so glad you have those.
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: What I'll be interested in, and this is partly a DJ more DJ more tweet, but also just a general wide receiver room tweet.
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: What happens if DJ Moore can't play?
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Does that mean we get to see more of Luther burden the third?
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I kind of want to see more Luther burden the third.
• 12:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, at this point in time, like, Roman Dunez is your wide receiver one.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I know we're paying DJ Moore the money and all of that, but Roman Dunez is the best receiver on the team, he's your wide receiver one.
• 12:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So now it's all about who's your wide receiver too, when DJ Moore is engaged and healthy.
• 12:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's obviously wide receiver one caliber and works in fits in really well, you know, as a wide receiver too or like wide receiver one beer, what have you.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I really want to see them get the ball and Luther burden the third hands.
• 13:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every time they do something good happens.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a matter of there's so many miles to feed in this offense and I expected this at the time when he was when he was drafted that he wasn't necessarily going to have a huge role in year one.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But again, there comes a point where you look at the sample size and and you look at the tape of every single time he touches the ball.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: You you're impressed.
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is there is there room for even if he's limited and even if he does play or we're going to see some more Luther burden the third snaps here I think it's either he's he's going to be taken snaps from DJ more or he needs to be taken snaps from a lot of days of Kia zoom again I do not hate a lot of the he's a Kia said all you know undrafted guy was worked his way into good career, but
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's, he is what he is.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was a solid, slot receiver who's got limited upside.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you drafted move their burden the third because he has tremendous upside.
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So how about we see some of that?
• 14:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now that we've got a little taste to sample size of, yeah, good things happen when you throw him the ball.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you have to wonder, I mean, so Ben Johnson's very intentional guy, you know, he's going to get players the ball that he just thinks deserve to have the ball or is going to help the offense.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: We saw that Sam Laporta, he has a rookie bursting onto the scene and people are questioning why is burden not getting the ball, why is.
• 14:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: close in love and not came the ball.
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think there seems to be reasons for that.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Close in love and week one, any Ben specifically said, we were trying to use our tight ends more so to help those protection, knowing what the defense of the line of the fight can so offered, they weren't really in the passing game as much.
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it was very intentional with that.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, and going after that, he got,
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: hurt in that Raiders game if he right away got a couple you know that couple catches targets and it looked like it was going to be a game for him and so now he's going back from the injury right so he's playing but he's not 100% when it comes to burden there's a party that has to wonder is it a playbook thing you know because we've seen like you said when he gets the ball in his hands good things are happening so is it simply that you know the odds is on top of it he knows in
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: versus his burden just catching up still in terms of what that looks like to in a Ben Johnson professional offense, because otherwise there wouldn't be a really a reason why there should be a hindrance here.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I would like it to be burden.
• 15:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do wonder if it's almost more as a key is because
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: if more couldn't go because of the idea because I think in the day like you said we know who's a key it is we've seen him in multiple offices 20 years old there's not a high ceiling there he's in theory a high floor guy and then you had last week where the communication between him and him and Caleb a couple times the drop that happened so I don't know man
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think especially when you're with a young team, whether a young quarterback, young past catchers, what have you trust is extremely important.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the entire reason you signed Sikiyus was because he is, you know, first of all, a veteran guy who's produced at, you know, a decent level, particularly when you're talking about his draft status.
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's worked with the uncle where he just came from Washington, you know, with Jane Daniels.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he, you know, knows that team well.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: and so I was expecting more from him in this game.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't I didn't throw any money on him, but I was I was thinking to myself like, you know, maybe a Zacchaeus touchdown because, you know, revenge games are kind of like that.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think you rely on guys like that because in theory, they are able to translate their experience to the field and help a young quarterback, you know, a developing offense along because they're where they're supposed to be, they do what they're supposed to do.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter if they're special or incredible or what have you.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just just catch the ball, catch the ball, be where you're supposed to be.
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, especially in early and pre-season, you're like, okay, look, this is a key.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of doing the thing.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, kind of seemed like there was a decent relationship being built there, and then he has a bad game, which shouldn't necessarily mean like, okay, you've got to cut him now or something like that.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But again, it just reveals the limitations that he has as a player.
• 17:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And at some point, because I agree with you that familiarity with just in the NFL generally understanding the speed of the game knowing we're supposed to be matters, especially early on in a new regime or with a young quarterback, but at some point the talent's got to win out.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And as long as Luther Burton is doing what he needs to do and progressing with the playbook, they're able to trust him to block and trust him to line up where he's supposed to be, not make mental mistakes.
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: At some point when that progression is pretty consistent, then he's got to start taking guy snaps.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just as simple as that to me.
• 17:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because the bear's
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: is probably the most consistent that it's been in a really long time through these five games.
• 18:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're explosive and you're not even playing arguably the most explosive offense of player you have right now.
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So how about more of that, please?
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: A couple more roll through here.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jonas Jackson did participate yesterday, but was full today.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Keep us offensive line rolling at this point.
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't want to, you know, mess with a good thing after that line did pretty dang well, even with the differences and tackles that you had.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: A couple of jundries who have popped up with a limit was limited with a groin.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see how that goes.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: But my expectation, that shouldn't be a big thing.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: If I'd be more concerned, we'll see also need tomorrow.
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if he's DMP tomorrow, all of a sudden, just like maybe today, you only did half the practice because of course, because of this great thing popped up.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I wouldn't be surprised if this is more cautionary.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then lastly, three different players.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Last week, Austin Booker, Travis Homer, VAR, IR return, window opened.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Did not play in the game.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're not fully activated.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then,
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm in Ogwin Beniqueba ruined that, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm in his window opened up, so he could potentially come back as well.
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would really hope that any of those three names, awesome booker, can't get on the field.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know it was the only creases that he looked really good in that creases, and just having a little more juice off the edge would be great.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then just having Travis Homer, special teams Ace, and then just another potential guy in that rotation at running back, just to help out.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: just generally getting healthier at a time when it seems like your team is starting around into forms never a bad thing.
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm located out in Boston and I'm sorry I got my little one coming over here to show a little bit of bubble gum.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: on her mouth, silly kid, but I think getting healthy at the right time, you know, where you're building this momentum is huge.
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, as I'm out here in Boston, so I've been watching the Patriots, you know, interestingly parallel track right with, you know, Drake may ascending.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams getting better in two teams that at first year had coaches that are better so far this year than they were last year.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And kind of a common thread there is not just a quarterback play in the coaching, but also the fact that they kind of struggle with injuries, it's certain points to big players that they really need.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Christian Gonzalez was out for the first
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but then everybody else being as healthy as you kind of possibly can sort of rounding into form and sort of this, um, you know, getting into Q2 right of the season.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're getting an October and into November when the real money gets made as far as playoff pushes go.
• 21:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I think this is a good sign for where the bears are at.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, um,
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, week one, you know, as I kind of look back on that, you know, week one was definitely a missed opportunity, but I think I've seen, you know, the past few weeks obviously on a three game winning streak here, they're rounding into some form here, and I feel like, you know, it's a positive direction.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then on the Saints side, some of these don't have any matter, you know, Alvin Camaro, Isaac Yadam both didn't participate, those as far as I understand it, more just a cautionary, especially Camaro, that was more of a fact.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just hang out, we need you for a Sunday thing.
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, a lot of it was full, a lot of Taylor, they're starting corner back was full, uh, and then everything, uh, don't only person that really did participate recently was Devon Godchau, it's been a tackle, but that was, that was for us.
• 21:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, the Saints are going to be as healthy as they possibly can be in this game.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 22:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if the bears play as well as they, are capable of playing, this is a team that shouldn't matter how healthy they are, you should probably beat them.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that they are, they're not necessarily a team that is going to roll over for you, but the bear should be the better team as all things being equal.
• 22:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I mentioned this partly because I've watched a good portion of the Patriots game against the Saints knowing that this matchup was coming up.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: pretty tough.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: That said, you can have them down the field.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're able to get guys free and Caleb Williams able to extend some plays, you can definitely attack them down the field.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: One touch down that did count and another deep touch down that got called back for an
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: offensive pass in your parents penalty.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Almost as bad as the penalty that to Roman didn't say, touched out off the board or actually no, it was actually worse.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was worse than the one that took that touchdown off the board.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, bear should win this game.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get into that later.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, that's how I feel.
• 23:28
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• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, knee jerk reactions.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is one hot take going into next week.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Carrey started this already talking about how this Saints team can be had.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just hoping that this isn't a trap game for the bears.
• 24:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'd say that because the bears are three game, win streak, feeling good.
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: But isn't very bearousie to take a point like this, that that play is hard.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if you look at all the stats, the neurodensane's ranked 22nd in the NFL and passing yards, they're 28th in passing touchdowns, 16th in rushing yards, 27th in rushing touchdowns.
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: In terms of EPA per play, negative point zero five, five on offense, that into those 25, if it's just 25th of 32 teams, they're ranked 17th in the NFL and passing yards,
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: 9th out of 32 teams and rushing ours low defense is allowing 0.010 EPA per play this year, which is 19th out of 32 teams and overall they are 30th and total DVOA.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're only ahead of the bangles and one of the team I forgot to write down.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Overall, this team is not good.
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: The things are bad.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: But at the same I'm just concerned do they all of a sudden can't you see that happening like if you go in the last five Ish years a seen steam coming to soldier field and beating the bears were feeling good about themselves now This is not your old bears Ben Johnson's here.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Caleb is here all that jazzy.
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just have a little concern
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean, and again, not to keep on hammering this, but it's just because like I spent, you know, I'm out here, right?
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just naturally something that I'm thinking about.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: But people were saying the same thing, you know, when I was watching the, you know, the Patriots take on on the Saints because again, it was the same thing.
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: You beat Buffalo in prime time.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And,
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're gonna, you're gonna come in here and are you gonna lay an egg like what are you gonna do?
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in the end, they took care of business and they won that game.
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I bring that up because and I wrote about this earlier this week.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bears have kind of showed in this in this last game Monday night that
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're a little different than they have been, because they would have a thousand percent loss that game last year, or any time over the last three years.
• 26:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: They would have lost that game to the commanders, hands down, because they shot themselves in the foot all game, and then when the opportunity was presented for them to win, they end up taking advantage.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that's something that we've been kind of begging for them to do, it's like win a game, that's not perfect.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: and they did.
• 27:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Last year, they would have been the team screwing up in prime time.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't for set.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm thankful that we got to at least watch them eat it out even though it was a C-performance.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, again, that was a very tough win, gritty win, all that stuff.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be the real test or one of the real tests for Ben Johnson beat the teams that
• 27:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, kind of squeeze things out against the Raiders, which is a team you should have beaten arguably by more, right?
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you end up coming to you and coming back, you win that game, good for you, right?
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: You should have won the week one, but you didn't.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is another opportunity for you to show that you are better than this team, and you need to lock in and take your
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the history of the bears is what it is.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is a first-year head coach.
• 28:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is still a developing offense.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's see what you've got.
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, to your point where you're looking at the defense, I think they're the sixth worst team in the league, the saints are in terms of drives in which points are allowed.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they're giving up points on 43% of their drives.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like you should score a lot of points here that you just should.
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And offensively, they have at least one threat that I am very concerned about.
• 28:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But by and large, their passing game is nothing to write on about.
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: You should be able to get after Spencer Redler.
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about my worry later.
• 29:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Any of knee-jerk reactions specifically, besides what you've already highlighted?
• 29:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: My knee-jerk reaction is that so we've already had the big yardage Luther burden game but this is gonna be the game where he gets meaningful snaps and you start to see him be a more integral part of this offense.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like this could be the actual quote unquote breakout game in terms of like maybe snap counts and targets.
• 29:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's not a bad one.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: What about your to be a perfectly honest, something just brutally honest about this matchup?
• 29:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wanna see them score every single drive of the first half, every single drive.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if they don't, I'm gonna be bad.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there we go.
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good one.
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like you said,
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would be disappointed.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's say they won this game, but they won 20 to 17 for the sake of argument.
• 30:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd be upset to be honest, because you can't use this fully fully, but point differential does matter.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I say that in, do you keep games close with a really good teams?
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: If not, get some wins, and do you just handle the teams you should handle?
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this is where so much of the Cowboys game, you should be able to put some points on,
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, hold them out of the ends on and prevent foothills as well.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I totally agree with that one.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mine is I'm a little disappointed and would I have expected more from the tight ends considering how much the both personnel is used and the bears entered weeks six with a fifth highest rate of 12 personnel the season on one night football they use 11 personnel on 53 of it tonight plays.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: which is a 9.8% pernext gen staffs.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the highest rate in any game every coach or coordinator of I've been Johnson.
• 31:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Being a lot of 12% knows that guaranteed success by any means, a cold command has eight receptions on 18 targets for 160 yards.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: That puts him at 40 third among tight ends in terms of receptions.
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love him this time, but he has five receptions on 9 targets for 54 yards.
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just, I expected more, lovin' at being a rookie being hurt, I hear ya.
• 31:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think I've been probably one of the captains of the Cole Comet train and he's not being used kind of thing, but when you go back and you watch the film with Cole, I just almost feels a little square pedic round pulley with how Ben liked to use him.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I just was expecting more and hopefully hoping that the same scheme they can get that rolling.
• 31:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think, you know, you can see why cool commit is being faced out of this offense, you saw it immediately with, you know, the kind of tight ends that Ben Johnson has had success with, you know, with, you know, Sam reported and then drafting a colson lovelin.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that, that hopefully will eventually take off otherwise we're all couldn't be wondering why you didn't go with the guy that everybody sort of assumed you were going to take with Tyler Warren, who's having a,
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: pretty good rookie season right now.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't look at the numbers.
• 32:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: They might make you mad.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think with with Cole commit, he's always kind of been what he is, right?
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's never been a great, you know, man coverage beater.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a smart zone guy, you know, sit down in a window, and he's going to break tackles when you get it to him in space.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be tough to bring
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: This, I really think they were counting on Colson Loveland being more healthy and being able to just kind of sample a port of, you know, set it and forget it in the lineup and have and be producing.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Though I also think that with the weapons that you have in the passing game, which part of why you also draft Luther Burton the third, and you bring in Zacchaeus and you've got Roma Dundzay.
• 33:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: making a leap in his second year and you've got DJ Morse, you have all these options that can carry the load for you.
• 33:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But again, I feel like he wants to live in that world where the tight ends are your matchup problems.
• 33:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And instead both of them are just regular problems for you, not for the other team.
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, in this humorous, something quirky or funny, mind's pretty simple.
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: It kind of connects to something I talked about earlier.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the Orleans team is spongy.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: They currently have a one in five record, but they play hard.
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: They hung in the bills a few weeks ago, beat a giant team that just beat the Eagles and hung in with the Patriots who recently beat the bills.
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: The same score, them all for their first half drive against the Patriots losing just by six.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this offensive line is a sieve, but Spencer Rattler is actually playing surprisingly well considering his college career and also his draft stock, not necessarily good either.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he ranks 22nd in quarterback rating with a 91.92, 26th in EPA for play, but considering it was supposed to be Tyler Schuck, he is holding his own.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he was basically discounted by a lot of people myself included.
• 34:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just kind of interesting how that all panned out.
• 34:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know what?
• 34:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, they're one and four right now.
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, clearly not a good team.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not ready to win right now.
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have the talent or the personnel to win some of these games.
• 34:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think, again, this is early enough in the season.
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: where they're bad, but they're still tough, and they're still playing for something.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not laying down for it, right?
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you caught them in week 16 this might be a little bit different.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think we'll kind of from that standpoint, I am looking at this like, there, yeah, of course there's a chance the bears, you know, might get caught flatfooted in this one.
• 35:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very hopeful that it won't happen.
• 35:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I find it humorous.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: that after all this time of us dogpiling on deandry swift, he has a game coming out of the bite that the bears would not have won.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: They would not have won this game without him.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: His, I believe that was his best yards from Scrimmage game yet as a Chicago bear.
• 35:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have to go back and look at that because I know last year he had a game was like 129 yards.
• 35:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go back and look at that.
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, 170, you know, plus scrimmage yards in this game.
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: The game breaking touchdown off that reception breaks a tackle and busts out for, you know, points that obviously the bear's wouldn't have won without.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: He is, I don't know what got him running like a new man,
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: coming into the by week.
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: We will take it.
• 36:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will say we will take that performance from him.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I don't know that you can count on getting that kind of performance again.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think what is funny about it, right, is that
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, not not just the fact that we've been hating on the undery switch really hard, but it does kind of seem like this bears team has that weird sort of like it's like anybody could step up on on a given day and just like make that like there's, you know, Josh Blackwell, you know,
• 36:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: black and a kick and you know being you know special teams player of the week you know win in that game you know it might be deandre s with one week so it's not just the Caleb Williams show run around in circles and do something crazy you know this is a team that has maybe that little bit of weirdo voodoo magic where it's like yeah like that guy that you think is trash like
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've been very critical of John Drake's way if that's not a secret.
• 37:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I specifically, I've highlighted his rushing yards over expected as one of the stats that I just keep looking at and it's been disappointing.
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Last year was pretty awfully slowly last in the league in it this year.
• 37:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was, I believe, if I recall correctly, like bottom five, bottom six.
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: In weeks six, in terms of rushing yards over expected, he was fourth best at 1.66.
• 37:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: some of that being, I think Ben Johnson in the lab, you know, figuring out exactly how to weaponize the Andre Swift in terms of more of the, you can't ask the Andre Swift to read out the blocks in that way.
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: He just doesn't have the vision for it.
• 37:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: It has to be one cut and go.
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so just leaning into that.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, all right, that's what he is.
• 37:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do that.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: It helps that.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: You had Darnell right in there if I tackle it, help that you had a better blocking left tackle and feel benedit, you know, and also he held a well in past block two.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we'll see what happens long term against the little better past rushers, but overall really gain from him.
• 38:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that at the end of the day, there was there was some dog in him in that.
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think, you know, he, he really,
• 38:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: and the size, I think, a aggressive run style in that game as well, you know, and we need the few times he did run between the tackles, he still put his head down, put his shoulder down, and try to put a hole through somebody, so you have to give him his powers.
• 38:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he has those games every once in a while where somebody clearly gets to him and is like, yeah, you see that, well, hit that whole man, just just run hard, just run downhill,
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And not dance around and try to find holes that simply aren't there, or just like run into your own guys back or like whatever it is.
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the holes are there, like please please hit them.
• 38:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And every once in a while he'll just have those games where you're just like, I don't know what it is.
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe just the run blocking is there and he just sees the lane and it's hitting it.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, more of that please.
• 39:11
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• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, what you need to know.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bears were seen throughout the days and played 34 times, including three post-season games, with a Chicago Bears winning 15 games and the New Orleans Saints winning 19 games, with Bears losing the last 8 matchups in a row.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dennis Allen is making his return to the New Orleans Saints after being relieved of his head coaching duties, so a little bit of something there to keep it eye on.
• 41:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got some questions here for you, Kyrie.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to see off the dome, what you got for me.
• 41:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Alvin Comerra said today that if they traded, he's going to just go drink, a peanut clot, is somewhere.
• 41:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he's basically said that he wants to be a saint for life.
• 41:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is Alvin Comerra still the kind of running back with the bears have to fear the sun there?
• 41:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fear, no, you need to be aware of him, but I am not afraid of Alan Kamera at this point in his career.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you have an in the end, right?
• 41:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say he's at a point where he's like, falling off, precipitously, perhaps.
• 41:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Still multi-dimensional threat, catch a ball, the backfield, and all of that.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he's just not quite the same caliber player in an offense that is not the kind of caliber
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, look, you get as many miles on your body as he has and there comes a point where it inevitably you're just not what you used to be.
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think you hit a nail on the head on that one.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of in the same thought process, there are some names on the same Stevens.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cam Jordan, Chase Young, Demario Davis, Justin Reed.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: But does this still have teeth?
• 42:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: As a unit, no, I think that I have a lot of respect for Cam Jordan, and I do maybe have some concerns about how often he lines up next to Theo Benedict and tries his luck there, but I think the stats bear it out.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is not a good defense.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Having simply having good names on a defense does not make the unit good.
• 42:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: See Baltimore Ravens, who have a bunch of names on that defense
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, look, in the end, you are how you play, and it's not defenses and offences or whatever are not made up of three guys, you know, and again, you know, there's an amazing out of, you know, it's 11 guys on the field any given time.
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, there are names there that you respect people that have played really well over the course of their careers, but
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: they're not in their primes anymore.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you circle their names, but you're not double circling them.
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: If Austin Booker can go this week, how much of an impact can bear his fans expect him to have?
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: probably not that much, see him in some kind of relief appearances, you know, maybe while you work him back from, you know, from injury.
• 43:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see because look, in the end, this bear's past rush is not doing anything for me generally.
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here over here, looking at Montau's sweat and me like, I remember when they made that trade and the impact that he did have, not look like he had that he did have.
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: When he first came to the bears and you're like, man, why are we paying you all this?
• 44:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I also feel like forcing Austin Booker into an expanded role off-rip coming back from injury, just because you're not getting what you need from the other guys.
• 44:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that that's necessarily the way to go.
• 44:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think if there's like an obvious pass down situation right, it's third in 12, and you bug dio inside or in then you put, you know, Austin on the outside, you know, I don't know if he'll even have stats, but this outside of pressures, but does his speed on the outside create a sack for someone else don't have to bond texture in the middle or something of that nature?
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you see, instead of the, because at the end of the day, he also doesn't fit in a certain of the dense
• 44:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: archetype, he likes those big, long, just stout defense events, so I think he'd like he would traditionally still stick with that as his main, you know, his fastball.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I get you could say with more awesome booker being your occasional change up, which you'd have to, I think, kind of, squint to find where that impact is versus opening the, you know, box for at the end.
• 45:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Next question for you is Darnall right underrated?
• 45:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 45:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that, especially early in the year, you know, I think there's a bit of a learning curve or
• 45:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, people a bit more concerned about his past protection, but the run blocking has been elite, and when you, I think take a look at some of the past blocking numbers, he's been playing some pretty good football, these last couple of weeks.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that every number Brett Coleman tweeted out, follow him, have Brett Coleman, he's he's pretty solid, pretty awesome.
• 45:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Darnal Wright is allowing a pressure rate of only 2.1% on true drawbacks.
• 45:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's one pressure on 48 stamps.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: The only two tackles and link better at that rate are Joe Alton, Brian O'Neill.
• 46:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Pretty good.
• 46:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: We like this.
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what you spend the tenth overall, pick in the draft four.
• 46:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know I've been critical of him saying, are we seeing enough out of this 10th overall pick?
• 46:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think of this year, you're seeing not just when he's in the game, but also he wasn't in the game.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think about what I can look like.
• 46:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, last one for you.
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is more of a statement, and then I'm gonna let you discuss.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: This year, PFF has Caleb Williams graded at 68.8 for the year, good for 19th best out of 38 quarterbacks.
• 46:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Spencer Ratler is graded for 78.2.
• 46:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Good for 11th.
• 46:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Spencer Rattler does not have the skill set that Caleb Williams does.
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think plays in a way that is more conducive to a higher PFF grade, he's going to throw it where you tell him to throw it a bit more readily perhaps than Caleb Williams will.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: He might not take as many as many chances.
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, check it down, and more completion, what, what have you, right?
• 47:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams is still sort of in that mode where he's obviously capable of making incredible plays every once in a while, he turns down a throw that you wish he wouldn't.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or he'll misfire on a throw that he should hit.
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he might run into a sack or run into pressure that he ought not to so there's still a little bit of that feast or famine to his game though I feel like it's not as
• 47:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not as aggressive as all that, you know, and I think that by and large, when you're looking at a second year quarterback in a new offense, do you literally never know how that's gonna go?
• 47:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say that his performance has been totally fine with me, but that doesn't entirely surprise me.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It also doesn't mean that Spencer Rattler's better than Caleb Williams.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's never been the easiest.
• 48:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not even when they were in college.
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: just raw stats.
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Caleb Williams has about 30 more passing yards per game that Spencer does within one less game.
• 48:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Caleb has nine touchdowns to wrap up with six.
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: They both have one interception.
• 48:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: So even just some of those, I mean, the previous complete percentage is a bit higher for Rattler.
• 48:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: But like, if you ask 32 GMs and gave him all truth serum, is anyone really saying, yes, I'm taking Spencer Rattler to be my quarterback over.
• 48:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's
• 48:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just silly.
• 48:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's where I tweeted out really this week.
• 48:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm done with PFF grade.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this is kind of a tongue-in-chief thing with that.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's right.
• 48:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you're doing this, if you're creating every single play, will a play where Spencer throws a six-yard slant route.
• 48:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: on 3rd and 8th grade out higher, potentially then Caleb having to spinning out of the pocket, rolling to the side, and then throwing an incomplete pass.
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that'll probably be great at better, but like at least when he spun out, there was a chance that he was going to get the first versus that stupid slant that felt two yards short.
• 49:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 49:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, as as long as there wasn't a guy open before he spun out of the pocket or did whatever, but you know, and they were assuming there was pressure that forced him out of that situation.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 49:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Love it, hate it, rehabilitated.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a, we pick a matchup, specific dynamic.
• 49:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: We love for the bearers when we hate for the bearers and when that if we were the coach, we would have focused on fixing this week, we'd be into the next game.
• 49:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's your love?
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I love the matchup of the bear's offense against the St.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Stephens.
• 49:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, again, I watched a Patriot's offense with a lot less talent.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Generally across the board, it's the quarterback situation is pretty good over there, but less talent score all over that offense in the first half.
• 50:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Drake may had like a perfect pass or rating in three first half touchdowns.
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So,
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm all about that.
• 50:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: In particular, I'm looking for whoever's playing in the slot, to potentially come up with big plays because that's what happened in that game.
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Whoever the second player in on a Lutheran version game apparently.
• 50:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you might see Zacchaeus in that role.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's completely possible.
• 50:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe you know, depending on if DJ more plays or how much of a role he has.
• 50:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the reason I bring that up is because, you know, the same's for like, yeah, we're taking away
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Demario Douglas has a touchdown case on booty has a touchdown.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the case on booty had two touchdowns in the first half last week.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So those secondary guys again, we're going to go ahead and we're going to take away the number one option, whoever we decide that is going to be on a given play.
• 50:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that's Ron, maybe that's DJ, but then whoever's running around underneath.
• 50:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're losing him, you're losing track of him while Caleb Williams is running around doing his thing in the pocket.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dude's wide open down there, right?
• 51:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just nobody with intanguards, so I mean, pick your guy.
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, my love is actually if I'm glad you had that because mine's the opposite.
• 51:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a dense Allen versus killing more as one I already mentioned.
• 51:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think Dennis Allen, he, he'd probably tell you this is just another game.
• 51:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: But there's a little something they are going against your former team.
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's always going to be there as this diva has gotten healthier.
• 51:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Dennis has learned his players better.
• 51:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: This diva has improved the run fit against the commanders were much better than previous weeks.
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Freaks Edwards at the mic and admitted the will definitely made a difference for both those players.
• 51:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was huge.
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bears are second to the NFL internal response with 12, 18 receptions, four fumble recoveries and previously I read off the office of stats for the abstance and they're just not very good in terms of their overall ranking so you mix all that together I think dance Allen is going to put Kellen Moore in a bit of a bit of a spin here
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll just keep going with my hate to actually, my hate is anyone versus the Sean right.
• 52:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know he got that pick six and a week one in a fumble recovery last week, but the things to do have some decent receivers in Chris Malave, good underneath, for sheachie heathes dynamic downfield and even the corpse of Brandon Cook's plays a role in this.
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Sean right has been targeted 20 times this year and allowed a repasse rating of 115.5.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the guy's basically just a free completion at this point.
• 52:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And for comparison, Tyrex Steven scene is a 61.2 in terms of pass reading aloud.
• 52:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know Alan likes Nishon Wright's size, but I think it's probably maybe time for Jalen Jones to get a look.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have a little bonus one, Sam Arroyd.
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also, can we quit dropping defensive linemen into coverage on important downs?
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like last week, Commander's pick is huge first down on a third down because Dominic Robinson had a try to cover McNackles looking on the back of the yard.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just a bad look.
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, my, my hate to kind of play off of that is, uh, whichever one of our cornerbacks is going up against, um, Rashichi, I'm really scared of that guy.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, because no matter what quarterback he's playing with or what offense he's in, he's going to rip off a big play on you.
• 53:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: He will get behind you for a 60 yard pass and then then you're not catching him, you know, or you're punting it to him any scoring on you like he is by far You're asking about Elvin Camara right as somebody like you're scared of I'm scared of that dude like I'm worried about she he I'm not I'm not worried about anybody else half as much as I am about him Which is again shot something no I think
• 53:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Rishishaheed has two of the top 11 speeds for this year.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And in week five, he reached 21.72 miles per hour on 87-yard play.
• 53:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And in week four, he reached 21.19 miles per hour on eight, and on a rush.
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tracks.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: He really, really fast.
• 54:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Speed no floppy.
• 54:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so that's my guy that I've been, I've been hinting at this whole time.
• 54:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm worried about him, and Dennis Allen knows that well.
• 54:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So take that due to Wade, please.
• 54:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's have someone on a motor eat and have someone over the top.
• 54:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's all I can say to that.
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And make sure when he's over the top, he's over the top, because if you're even with him, he leaving you.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: My rehabilitates pretty simple last week that bears were three of 10 on third down.
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not tenable.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: This year, the bears have a 42.4% third-time conversion rate.
• 54:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were also over one last week on that fourth and one that they tried on the unsuccessful passplay.
• 54:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And bears have converted just 33% other fourth-time attempts to season successfully converting two out of six attempts.
• 54:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're they're good on person second down.
• 54:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's where they're moving the ball, but on 34, they just they're getting stymied too much.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: You got to be able to compare those mind is
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: nine penalties for 84 yards last week, you know, come on, we got to execute better than that.
• 55:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, and then obviously, not just the penalties that are taking points off the board or penalties that are extending drives, but also mental lapses, drop passes, et cetera, be sharper.
• 55:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, which again goes towards some of the, you know, third and fourth down execution, but these are these are these are mental mistakes and simple things that that, you know, you can control every single play.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So fix that, please.
• 55:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Next, that's factor for the Saints.
• 55:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Connecting to a bit to what you were talking about earlier.
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Minions actually, they would have, I think for them to win this game, they have to establish their ground game.
• 55:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bears did better last week, but they stole out 124 rushing yards.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jane Daniel scrambles.
• 56:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Repart of that.
• 56:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they had seven rushing first downs.
• 56:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Alvin Camaro.
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: is not the same guy he was, but Kenji Miller saw a dynamic back.
• 56:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you can't rely on the arm of center rappler to win the game.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you have to get some chunk rushes and explosive runs control the clock, get ahead, things like that in order for those things to win this.
• 56:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Indeed, I also think I still really like Chris Olave as as a player.
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we had some rough drops against the Patriots and really a game that, you know, they had a chance it.
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 56:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking at him potentially coming out and being like, you know what, I got something to prove this week, you know, against, you know, against some corners that can be had.
• 56:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So definitely looking at, you know, because I talked about Shaheed and there's going to be special attention paid to him hopefully not getting beat deep, but then you got to look at the other side of things with Chris Olavay.
• 57:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Act's factor for the bears, keep rolling, what do you have?
• 57:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am looking at,
• 57:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: DeAndre Swift once again, because I think my first instinct is to say that, you know, fall off, you know, after putting up, you know, 108 yards this past week, you know, 170 plus skirmish yards, you know, huge touchdown.
• 57:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're gonna try and get him going again this week.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like personally, I don't know that I have a ton of faith in him to respond with another big game.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just, it hasn't happened.
• 57:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: yet during his time with the bears, which is why if he does respond with another big game, that's when I think I'm going to look at this bear's offense and be like, okay, we got something here.
• 57:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm trying to, you know, it's my first time on here in a while, so you don't have to hear me, you know, you know, give this one all the time.
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I will risk, you know, shooting my shot on that now.
• 58:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Deondre Swift in a lot of ways is a barometer for this offense.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, mine is, and you talked about this, but I'll keep it short, but do the easy things.
• 58:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: The bears are just better than the saints are.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you don't do this, this, this, this, this, this stupid things, right, where the wheels come off when the bears get their own way out, like I'll put the penalties you mentioned.
• 58:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: You score a touchdown and a legal formation, big pass on field, holding a force of forethown, roughing the passer.
• 58:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: avoid those and the layups, you know, the bears get into 3rd and 15, yet allow a dump-off pass to the running back that goes for a first.
• 58:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: A wide receiver gets a scheme to open, like we saw with a key as, and then there's a big drop.
• 58:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't just do the easy things and they will win this game, it's just a matter of how much.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 58:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, once again, there's no reason you should be losing this game.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do the better team,
• 59:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: you are coming off of a big win in which penalties and execution are going to be harped on all week, right?
• 59:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because this is at one of those games where it's like, oh, yeah, we totally dust it off, you know, our division rival or whatever it is and a huge emotional game where it's just like, yeah, we're writing high.
• 59:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is one of those where like, you easily could have lost this game and Ben Johnson and the coaching staff are gonna make sure to tell them all week.
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: You easily could have and might have lost this game.
• 59:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: If Jaden Daniels doesn't fumble that ball.
• 59:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So don't get high on yourself.
• 59:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Come out here with something to prove.
• 59:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Last couple of categories here.
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Overrunters from kind of rapid fire, just gonna shoot you some ones that faced in mostly logic, but I make these up.
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Caleb Williams passing yards 225.5 yards.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's saying over for those in the podcast, who are not hearing his thing.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's true, that's right, yeah, not every reason.
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going over with that one.
• 1:00:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll make sure to do that for Allie O'Hawar and listening.
• 1:00:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: The same time allowed 224.5 yards per game.
• 1:00:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: So look at that, logic.
• 1:00:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: My pick that number.
• 1:00:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: What was that number again?
• 1:00:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I was still, you know, basking my shame.
• 1:00:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: 224.5 is what they've allowed per game.
• 1:00:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, we're, we're going over on that one.
• 1:00:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Alvin, come here at Touches, 16 and a half.
• 1:00:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say, under on that one.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's averaging 17.5 touches per game, however, if you look, he's actually averaging less as the year's gone on.
• 1:00:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you got extra track?
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was a big fan of Kendra and Miller when he was coming out.
• 1:00:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Took him a while to get some traction.
• 1:00:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tell me about my fan 16 that I held on to have like three years and then finally cut him.
• 1:01:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Good, awful.
• 1:01:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Total penalties in this game, 12 and a half.
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Total 12 and a half.
• 1:01:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to go over on that one.
• 1:01:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got one, we got one team that's been a little penalty prone and then what bad team.
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that yeah, we could switch it up.
• 1:01:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Montes, sweat, sacks, half.
• 1:01:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: This doesn't get one.
• 1:01:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God, I guess does he share too.
• 1:01:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Either way.
• 1:01:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He'll get one.
• 1:01:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's probably not going to be spectacular.
• 1:01:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be some accident going to run into it.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Lastly, Vailus Jones snaps half.
• 1:01:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot he was playing for the same.
• 1:01:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I forgot I was looking at that.
• 1:01:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because him and she he'd were like, yeah, who's the fastest guy in the team?
• 1:01:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Vailus Jones is like me, please.
• 1:01:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But aside from that, what was what was the number half?
• 1:02:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: having bailis will get a touch just because of the interview like you're a show them what they're missing buddy.
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: He played one stamp in week four and one stamp in week five.
• 1:02:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what revenge game you know you know every time there's a revenge game you know I feel a certain kind of way about it.
• 1:02:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna he's gonna get a hand off for something some stupid thing.
• 1:02:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, bear a gut check.
• 1:02:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who user got feelings revitalized by kombucha to give our game predictions against the line?
• 1:02:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nune, Sunday, Saints have bears.
• 1:02:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bears, favorite by five and a half.
• 1:02:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, we're taking that.
• 1:02:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Taking the bears?
• 1:02:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're taking the bears.
• 1:02:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have to.
• 1:02:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I expect them to win this by double digits.
• 1:02:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: If this should be, again, I missed it this early in the show.
• 1:02:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: This should be a cowboys' escalator in terms of maximizing points.
• 1:02:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, minimizing points given up.
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: You should be 30 to 14 something like that.
• 1:02:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 1:03:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tonight's game, Thursday night football, Steelers at Bengals, just like Joe Flacco came to hopefully save that Angles Kyrie came today to save the podcast, dusting off the old armed vocal cords, one could say to help us out here, but Steelers are favorite by five and a half.
• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
• 1:03:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
• 1:03:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that the Bengals will sneak in and undercut that one.
• 1:03:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a division game, which is weird.
• 1:03:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a second game of Joe Flacco being in Cincinnati, so had it over the time to get used to these guys.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, yeah, just can't trust the Steelers to do what they're supposed to do consistently.
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: though, I mean, like they're what forward to or whatever it is.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So obviously they're they're winning, but I feel like listen, when it comes to division matchups, doesn't matter how bad, you know, a given AFC North team is, nobody ever blows anybody out.
• 1:04:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when you look at the
• 1:04:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: The jets by two in that crazy first week, it was 34 to 32 game, but we've seen with the jets have been, they lost to the sea hogs, which are just a great team with Sam Darnl to the Thunket.
• 1:04:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: They beat oddly enough the Patriots who, I found their way more, I don't understand what happened there.
• 1:04:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: They beat the Vikings in that weird game.
• 1:04:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: way where they didn't have JJ, which I might have been saying anything.
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, JJ really, I guess.
• 1:04:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then they also beats a terrible Browns.
• 1:04:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like, I don't know, they're just in a, they're in a, they're their first division because the rest of the division sucks.
• 1:04:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they played a bunch of not great team.
• 1:04:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's not great games.
• 1:04:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's weird.
• 1:04:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the, I'm going to say that the bagels back to our cover.
• 1:04:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Eagles, at Vikings, Eagles favored by one and a half.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: a bit of a mess lately.
• 1:05:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they will find a way to get right this week.
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that looks like if we're going to see a major say quann Barkley game or is this going to finally be the game where they're just like look okay AJ round shut up we'll feed you the ball.
• 1:05:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think this is going to be
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: getting off the Schneide, or at least for their sake, I hope it is.
• 1:05:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, for one point, yeah, I'll take that.
• 1:05:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we don't even know who the Vikings quarterback will be right now.
• 1:05:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: JJ was a limited participant.
• 1:05:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Carson once was full.
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: That team is a whole as a good team.
• 1:05:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have a hard time picking the Vikings, especially when it's this close.
• 1:05:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: when you don't know what the quarterback is.
• 1:05:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So Eagles figure it out.
• 1:05:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Packers, at Cardinals, Packers are favored by six and a half, Cardinals likely without Kyla Murray again.
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: But honestly, Jacoby Brissette, arguably played better than Murray's played this year.
• 1:06:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know what you want to do with that.
• 1:06:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in the end, Jacoby Brissette is, he's a consummate backup.
• 1:06:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been around for a long time, but I don't, I'm not gonna believe in him too much for this one.
• 1:06:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, I know I'm gonna, the Packers offense after that lines early be done has just not been what I think most Packers fans have wanted to be.
• 1:06:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jordan loved, it just, he's been more that we're Jordan love versus the one that we saw that first year where he really was in theory taking the week by storm.
• 1:06:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: But that being said, I just don't think the cardals have in a firepower Martha Harrison Jr., like we also not playing that defense is just not fantastic.
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll take the Packers just to win and cover.
• 1:06:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Last one, buccaneers at lines, Monday night football.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: This should be a fun one.
• 1:06:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited for this.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also, the positive it's the first game in this double hitter on Monday night instead of the second game, where I'll just probably fall asleep because I have an early discussion.
• 1:06:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm excited about this.
• 1:06:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tony knew in the East Coast.
• 1:06:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's this double header where they don't overlap, let's be kind of rough for you.
• 1:07:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get with lines are here.
• 1:07:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know if I said that.
• 1:07:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And on in the bucks or lines, the lines.
• 1:07:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm taking bucks, taking bucks out over that.
• 1:07:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, take this money back.
• 1:07:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mike Evans might be back.
• 1:07:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Baker Mayfield is just on such a hilarious here, right?
• 1:07:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's like God is playing the most inspired football this dude is the most inspired football that he's ever played aside from that time that he showed up for the Rams and then like,
• 1:07:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: two days of practice and then he wins that game like for the game winning drive aside from that like you know this this is this has got to be the best stretch of football Baker may feel this played since he was at a home like this guy is just absolutely slaying right now and he did it last week with nobody Right, so I think you know my Kevin's back, you know whatever Baker may feel that none him
• 1:08:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I know you're missing, you're all your sensational rookie.
• 1:08:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like a Kubo, which sucks, but like I said, my oven should be back.
• 1:08:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, some of us have been here on the Baker train.
• 1:08:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've always liked, if not love Baker's game, but that he was done to be with the Browns and he's been able to settle in.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: One thing that's really, I've noticed with Baker is hit the athleticism and the scrambling ability is just way better than it was early in his career.
• 1:08:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's just a little bit of a saviness.
• 1:08:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: actually speed somewhere along the way, but like his scrambling is a lot better where whether it's to move the chains or to throw the ball down field, and after they added on the way or to his game, I'll take the fucking ears to win this.
• 1:08:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also just because the lines are still missing their secondary, they just can't not catch a break in terms of the health and that defense, it's a gruff for them.
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, that's it.
• 1:09:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the show.
• 1:09:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Kyrie for stepping in again, really appreciate it.
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just not the hero we deserve, but here we needed.
• 1:09:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know what, man, heavy to be whatever kind of hero you all need.
• 1:09:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was fun.
• 1:09:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a minute, you know, I've been kind of out of the football situation for a while in terms of podcasting and stuff like that, but it was really great to kind of jump back in, feel kind of revitalized.
• 1:09:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, it's also just more fun with the bears being a competent football team.
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's way better than a couple of years ago that the downfall of the Justin Fields Bears or even last year were just the in-fighting that was clearly happening and then everything after Thanksgiving, I mean that whole thing was crazy.
• 1:09:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: So hopefully a different trajectory with the next couple of weeks does have to be some winnable games and it should be fun, man.
• 1:09:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, look forward to it.
• 1:09:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right everyone, bear the heck down, enjoy the week and we'll be back next Thursday, same time, same place.