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Alford Fired! Norvell On The Hot Seat · North Florida Sports Network Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: Let me ask you one question.
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SPEAKER_01: The notes floor this bow notes the notes floor this border.
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SPEAKER_02: You gotta give us a shot.
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SPEAKER_02: You know what I do?
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SPEAKER_01: The note floor is bored on football Tuesday.
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SPEAKER_01: It's right.
0:34
SPEAKER_01: It's Tuesday.
0:35
SPEAKER_01: But it's a football Monday.
0:38
SPEAKER_01: I mean days to all bleed together these days, Sunday.
0:42
SPEAKER_01: All right.
0:44
SPEAKER_01: NFL, week one in the books.
0:51
SPEAKER_01: Texas with the big win over Ohio State.
0:54
SPEAKER_01: What a choke job.
0:57
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah.
1:00
SPEAKER_01: Oregon.
1:01
SPEAKER_01: Oregon yikes.
1:03
SPEAKER_01: What the hell happened?
1:07
SPEAKER_01: It can't stop anybody.
1:10
SPEAKER_00: No.
1:11
SPEAKER_00: Which is supposed to be old Dan old land danning's speciality.
1:20
SPEAKER_01: But we're gonna start with right here, Michael Alford.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
1:30
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
1:31
SPEAKER_01: FSU athletic director Michael Alford.
1:36
SPEAKER_01: Back up your shit.
1:38
SPEAKER_01: You're out of here.
1:39
SPEAKER_01: You know why?
1:41
SPEAKER_01: Because your buyout's not that big.
1:43
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
1:45
SPEAKER_02: So why didn't we fight?
1:48
SPEAKER_01: Why didn't we fire Mike Norvell?
1:51
SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, hey.
1:53
SPEAKER_01: Can't afford it.
1:54
SPEAKER_01: It's coming.
1:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's coming.
1:56
SPEAKER_01: At some point.
1:57
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
1:58
SPEAKER_01: We gotta hire the guy who's gonna hire the next coach first.
2:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:04
SPEAKER_01: And then he'll be able to go to Mike Norvell.
2:07
unknown: You're fire!
2:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:09
SPEAKER_00: I you know, there's a lot of people on on the line that seem to be really confident that after Alabama wins by about 80 points on Saturday, that um he won't even be on the flight back.
2:28
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sh I'm not convinced.
2:31
SPEAKER_00: I you know, I'm not as pessimistic about that as I was before the season started.
2:38
SPEAKER_00: I think I think that you're I think once Virginia runs through that ass that that's gonna be it.
2:45
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's over already.
2:46
SPEAKER_00: Right, but I think they're finally gonna rip that band-aid off after he's embarrassed again at home by an ACC team, and then that'll be that.
2:58
SPEAKER_00: You'll you'll have whatever interim coach gets the honor of getting their teeth kicked in and coral gables the next week.
3:07
SPEAKER_00: You get a bye week, you play the worst Clemson team since 2008.
3:14
SPEAKER_00: The tickle fest to see who avoids being the worst team in conference.
3:23
SPEAKER_00: That's that's my view of it.
3:26
SPEAKER_01: But that's good news.
3:27
SPEAKER_01: I think um it's great news.
3:30
SPEAKER_01: This guy needed to go.
3:33
SPEAKER_01: I mean, his only we talked about it, all he cares about is making renovations, and that's that should be well.
3:44
SPEAKER_00: He was great as the president of the boosters because that's just nothing but fundraising.
3:49
SPEAKER_00: Right.
3:50
SPEAKER_00: And that's really what his strength is.
3:53
SPEAKER_01: You have to be able to win to be able to raise funds.
3:56
SPEAKER_01: So like you can't do you can't do one without the other.
4:00
SPEAKER_01: So you have to win first.
4:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you do.
4:02
SPEAKER_01: You yeah, you do.
4:04
SPEAKER_01: So those choices are gonna come back to bite you when you give I think the the thing that nailed his coffin was giving Mike Normavell that extension.
4:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, without question, man.
4:17
SPEAKER_00: It's that's it.
4:18
SPEAKER_00: It's the most expensive mistake in the history of the university.
4:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
4:22
SPEAKER_00: You don't you don't get to do that and keep your job.
4:25
SPEAKER_01: You shouldn't uh he should have let him walk if he wanted to go to Mount Alabama and just ten years.
4:33
SPEAKER_01: Ten years.
4:35
SPEAKER_01: Right, and and fully guaranteed.
4:37
SPEAKER_01: And it's ridiculous immediately, it's the worst season.
4:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
4:45
SPEAKER_01: Right after that.
4:46
SPEAKER_01: So that's just that's just swing and a miss right there.
4:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I know I know that a lot of people or that the there was a lot of talk about, you know, how he handled NIL, you know, his view on there actually being a salary cap and and college athletics and everything, but we'll go back to 2024, right after the extension was signed.
5:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, Florida State's NIL collective, the battles end, what was top 10 in the country in spending.
5:16
SPEAKER_00: And you took top ten spending and put together a roster that went two and ten.
5:24
SPEAKER_00: You almost have to actively try to sabotage yourself to be that bad at it, spending the amount of money that they did.
5:34
SPEAKER_00: And that that you know, after this after that, that's when the the He just didn't he didn't know anything about football.
5:41
SPEAKER_00: Well, this that that wasn't Alfred, that was Norvell and everybody involved in the program.
5:46
SPEAKER_01: Look over that.
5:47
SPEAKER_01: Right.
5:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, it knows at that point.
5:50
SPEAKER_00: The uh you know the contract was signed.
5:53
SPEAKER_00: He was he was locked in.
5:55
SPEAKER_00: Um what he doesn't know anything about is the the fact that your coach is only as good as the players.
6:03
SPEAKER_00: You know, you don't you don't sign a guy right after he gets beat 63 to 3.
6:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't care if he didn't have any of his starters.
6:12
SPEAKER_01: Or what what was fair or you know and that's that's that's the deserved it and got shafted.
6:21
SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: I don't care if he didn't get shafted, I don't think you'd give him 10 years unless he wins the damn championship and we didn't make it.
6:30
SPEAKER_01: So they shitted us out of it and you gave it to him anyway.
6:33
SPEAKER_00: Even then, there hasn't been a single monster contract with guaranteed money up until this point that has worked out for anyone.
6:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
6:45
SPEAKER_00: So I, you know, he was in over his head as the athletic director here.
6:51
SPEAKER_00: Go fire and then he's gone.
6:54
SPEAKER_00: I don't expect Norvell to to last the entire season.
6:59
SPEAKER_00: I did coming into this, but I thought that they would fire Alfred at the end of the season and have that be, okay, here's his pound of flesh for the fan base.
7:11
SPEAKER_01: But I, you know, if the rumors are yeah, they they need it, they want him gone last year.
7:18
SPEAKER_01: Right.
7:18
SPEAKER_00: But if the rumors are true, you know, the the only guy really in Michael Alfred's corner in terms of coaches at the university was Mike Norvell.
7:29
SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah.
7:30
SPEAKER_00: And you know, I mean any sport you talk to, the head coach was not, you know, was not too fond of well.
7:38
SPEAKER_01: There you go.
7:38
SPEAKER_01: You got to get out of here.
7:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:40
SPEAKER_01: Because the only guy that likes you is the guy that's out of here.
7:43
SPEAKER_00: And and you know what I will say about that is that's pretty much why he was brought in as athletic director, anyway.
7:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, as sport changed.
7:53
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you did get shafted on in 23, but you made a mistake, and I think you in signing that deal, you had confidence that Mike that that was Mike Norvell, and that was his system.
8:09
SPEAKER_01: Like, no, that was the pinnacle of Jordan Travis, and then you lucked into some really good players.
8:16
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, and you should have known that.
8:18
SPEAKER_01: And and I'm not saying you don't offer them an extension.
8:22
SPEAKER_01: No, you definitely give him an extension, but you offer him the chance to stay, but it's five years, you know, with a with a reasonable buyout, similar to what Florida gave Billy Napier.
8:32
SPEAKER_01: Something like that.
8:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, it you gotta get where you could just hey, if it doesn't work, you know, if you go two and ten, boom, out of here.
8:40
SPEAKER_01: Right.
8:41
SPEAKER_01: I don't think that ever crossed his mind that that could happen.
8:44
SPEAKER_00: No, it was more about sending the the message that you know for him, that was Florida State showing they were committed to being a serious program.
8:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:58
SPEAKER_00: Which I mean, hey, it's just the wrong yeah.
9:02
SPEAKER_00: And it and it you just gotta look at the the the sense.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: What's the sense in guaranteeing money that you can't ever pay?
9:11
SPEAKER_00: You always have to measure like the the worst case scenario.
9:15
SPEAKER_00: Like, worst case scenario, this guy ends up really being a fraud, and we're locked in for 10 years.
9:22
SPEAKER_00: And that just I anybody involved with okaying that contract extension needs to lose their job.
9:29
SPEAKER_00: Michael Alfred is one guy, yeah, but there are many people on the board of trustees that that gave the thumbs up on that.
9:36
SPEAKER_01: In this environment, who do you go after?
9:39
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't know.
9:40
SPEAKER_01: Because who cares?
9:41
SPEAKER_01: Right?
9:42
SPEAKER_01: It's it's such a money-driven sport now.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: Right.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: It it's all about what you have at your disposal.
9:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:54
SPEAKER_00: So who are you gonna bring in?
9:56
SPEAKER_00: Well, let me tell you who you don't go after.
9:58
SPEAKER_00: You don't go after anybody who has been fired from a Power Forest school.
10:04
SPEAKER_00: Like, I see a lot of people throwing Manny Diaz's name out, throwing Brian Kelly's name out there, wanting to go back to Jimbo.
10:12
SPEAKER_00: Like, no, you don't do any of that shit.
10:16
SPEAKER_00: You don't take a guy, fire him, and then hire somebody who was fired from their job for losing to that guy that you just fired, which is Manny Diaz or Brian Kelly.
10:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:28
SPEAKER_00: Jimbo, the the ego on that guy to think that he can do what he did when he left Florida State, then crash and burn at one of the most well-resourced athletic departments in the country, and still come back here and just get his job back because he wants it.
10:48
SPEAKER_00: Right.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: No.
10:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh all three of those guys can get fucked.
10:53
SPEAKER_00: Seriously.
10:54
SPEAKER_00: Well, you don't you don't hire any of those.
10:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't think they will.
10:58
SPEAKER_00: I I mean it just swing swing for the fences on a coordinator.
11:03
SPEAKER_00: And if they suck, then in three years you fire them again.
11:07
SPEAKER_00: That the the chances that the guy they hired to replace Mike Morvell is successful is very low anyway.
11:20
SPEAKER_00: No, I mean they're not.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: No, they're going because of the money.
11:23
SPEAKER_00: They have the money.
11:24
SPEAKER_00: Right.
11:24
SPEAKER_00: Money.
11:25
SPEAKER_00: It's all about the money.
11:27
SPEAKER_00: And the success that they've had putting guys in it in the NFL.
11:30
SPEAKER_01: That is true.
11:31
SPEAKER_01: And and and I think you have to have the money first.
11:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, it's not like if you have the money, they'll okay, I'll go there.
11:39
SPEAKER_01: Right.
11:40
SPEAKER_01: We'll find a way to, but if you have both of those things, you're just gonna get whoever you want.
11:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean that, yeah.
11:49
SPEAKER_00: That's why Texas Tech is.
11:51
SPEAKER_01: Who are you gonna bring in that's gonna I mean you have to bring in a I mean I mean I wouldn't be a ball coach, man.
12:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, knows how to coach football.
12:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:06
SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna find a guy like like And that can get the most out of that can relate to the players and try to get to them.
12:15
SPEAKER_01: Because you know, you have to have somebody that's gonna be able to relate to these young people nowadays.
12:20
SPEAKER_00: Well, for for starters, you gotta have somebody who is actually familiar with with the region.
12:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:27
SPEAKER_00: And and who understands, like, you know what, man, it you gotta get everybody around this area.
12:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know what their process ever was in terms of recruiting high schools.
12:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they had a lot of kids visit, but this guy was just allergic to signing talent out of high school.
12:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:53
SPEAKER_00: It's amazing to me.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: I I didn't think it would be possible to like suck as bad at recruiting.
12:59
SPEAKER_00: That's the only part that I I don't I don't agree with.
13:03
SPEAKER_01: It's not even I don't agree with you about you know Jimbo necessarily.
13:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm just so I would take him because I know he can recruit.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: And you know, it wasn't that bad in the Texas AM.
13:20
SPEAKER_01: I mean, honestly, it's just so bad right now.
13:25
SPEAKER_01: Right.
13:26
SPEAKER_01: There's no chance.
13:27
SPEAKER_01: It feels like there's no chance ever.
13:29
SPEAKER_00: My problem with Jimbo is A, the way he left, yeah, thinking that he can come back and get the job, and B, again, this guy had unlimited NIL.
13:39
SPEAKER_01: You're right.
13:40
SPEAKER_01: I I I think you gotta go with the young coordinators, somebody that's got the energy, kind of been in this.
13:50
SPEAKER_00: Well, you go go get go get Georgia's defensive coordinator.
13:54
SPEAKER_01: 36 years old, born in Valdasta.
13:56
SPEAKER_01: Or is it like any of these like tech billionaires have like a kid that wants to coach?
14:01
SPEAKER_01: No, no.
14:01
SPEAKER_00: You're not you're not gonna you're not gonna luck into a coach, you know, whose best friends, and maybe there's a guy out there like Christobal who went to high school with you know whose buddies with a guy that's worth five billion dollars.
14:15
SPEAKER_01: Um any coach that's worth anything now is gonna make sure that that money is available to go get players.
14:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:24
SPEAKER_01: Because I I gotta be able to get the guys I want.
14:27
SPEAKER_01: Now you want to be able to have the guy that knows the right guys, that can evaluate the talent first, get the money offers there.
14:35
SPEAKER_01: But I know the offers are gonna go up and up, but still.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but at least they know that you're putting money on, like, like you said, you don't want you don't want to spend 800 grand on a quarterback when your rival's spending six and a half on a quarterback.
14:52
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter because if you don't have a quarterback, it doesn't matter who you got a receiver.
14:57
SPEAKER_00: Right.
14:57
SPEAKER_00: Now you want to pay Deuce Robinson to come back, give him his money, that's fine.
15:03
SPEAKER_00: You better find him somewhere to throw it.
15:05
SPEAKER_00: Right.
15:05
SPEAKER_00: I understand that.
15:06
SPEAKER_00: It's it's paying everybody else in that wide receiver room anything close to what Deuce Robinson's making at the expense of spending on a quarterback because they don't have a QB.
15:18
SPEAKER_00: No.
15:19
SPEAKER_00: Until until I see somebody that that can play the position like that, they don't have a QB on the roster.
15:25
SPEAKER_00: So what good is spending six million on your wide receiver room?
15:29
SPEAKER_00: What good is is paying seven million dollars?
15:31
SPEAKER_01: To go get the best quarterback you can get, and then you go from there.
15:35
SPEAKER_01: Right.
15:35
SPEAKER_01: Because you can't do anything without that.
15:37
SPEAKER_00: Right.
15:38
SPEAKER_00: You you lost a kid that went to Nebraska because you didn't want to pay him.
15:41
SPEAKER_00: You lost a kid that's at Wisconsin because you didn't want to pay him.
15:44
SPEAKER_00: They're not world beaters, they both have their flaws.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: You know, they're not going to be a kid that lead you to a championship, but it it they could very well be the difference of you being 2-0 right now and actually having a chance at a winning season.
16:00
SPEAKER_01: I just can't believe the money that is being thrown around now at all levels.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:07
SPEAKER_01: It's a it's such a violent sport, I think that's what it is.
16:10
SPEAKER_00: That's yeah, it but we it goes beyond just money with this current staff and recruiting.
16:15
SPEAKER_00: Like they lose three stars from Valdasta to schools like California, to schools like Stanford.
16:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I I know Stanford is Stanford, but they're not they're not paying this kid from Valdasta seven figures to come here or to go up there.
16:32
SPEAKER_01: Right.
16:33
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you can't recruit kids from South Georgia at Florida State, you have no beast like that you're done.
16:41
SPEAKER_00: You're not going to be successful.
16:45
SPEAKER_01: Well, it was a bye week for FSU in college football, Oregon.
16:53
SPEAKER_01: What the hell?
16:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: I know.
16:57
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you you look at Dan Lanning specifically because it's a guy that lost coordinators last year, but it looks terrible.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: This is a quarterback that people were talking about first pick.
17:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because he would he would have gone probably number two overall last year and elected to come back.
17:17
SPEAKER_00: I yeah, man.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: Where does this come from?
17:22
SPEAKER_00: Well, they were very lucky to to beat Boise State in the first game.
17:26
SPEAKER_01: This just shows you that you can have the money and just get the wrong players if you don't have the good coach.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: Right.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: They got a lot of the the the same players they had last season.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, you you lost both coordinators.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: You didn't replace them with guys that are actual coordinator material.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: Um and it coaching matters, it's gonna matter all the more.
17:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you look at look at Clemson, man.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: When they lost their two coordinators that are head coaches now, it the same same story.
18:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you people that I know everybody looks at Venables.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: They know about they know about yeah, Tony Elliott is proving that.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, everything was organized on both sides of the ball.
18:14
SPEAKER_01: Right.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: Once that left, it it's been right spiraled down.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: They have a they have a problem picking quarterbacks, they have a problem with offensive consistency, communication.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: It's bad there right now.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: Like it it is as bad as what about him?
18:32
SPEAKER_01: Dabo?
18:32
SPEAKER_01: No, I'm just saying, yeah, I think he will he get fired?
18:36
SPEAKER_01: Dabo?
18:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, man.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: His buyout is is up there with Norvell's.
18:41
SPEAKER_01: Because if I'm Clemson, I'm trying to go get Tony Elliott.
18:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, without without question.
18:46
SPEAKER_00: That that's got to be number one on your list.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he played there.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I was thinking Florida, you know, this guy's really proven to me in the last couple years.
18:55
SPEAKER_01: He's really I don't I don't think he's leaving Virginia unless it's for Clemson.
19:00
SPEAKER_01: And I and I don't think he should.
19:01
SPEAKER_01: Virginia's a place that has money.
19:04
SPEAKER_01: You're right.
19:05
SPEAKER_01: And that's the place he'll go.
19:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:08
SPEAKER_01: And I I think that might come this at the end of this year, man.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: It it might.
19:13
SPEAKER_00: We'll see.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: It's over for it's over.
19:15
SPEAKER_00: Right, but but he's gonna be, you know, he's a lot like Bobby was at the end of his tenure.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: He's gonna dig his heels in.
19:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but if you don't win, it doesn't matter.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: You would think not.
19:27
SPEAKER_01: He does have a big Bobby went to bowl games, so I mean, if he Yeah.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: But if he gets Bobby never went two and ten.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: No.
19:36
SPEAKER_01: If that happen or if he goes three and nine at Clemson, ooh, I will see then.
19:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I that's what I'm saying.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you lose like that.
19:46
SPEAKER_01: No, if he does, if he does what Bobby did in the 2000s, you're gonna go to the body.
19:49
SPEAKER_01: Or would he already didn't if he keeps doing that, yes.
19:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because he's still winning enough, he'll still have enough games during the season where he can be like, I got I got my stock and Clemson and all that.
20:01
SPEAKER_01: Right.
20:01
SPEAKER_00: And he surrounded himself with dabo people in the athletic department.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: And you're like, what the hell is this?
20:14
SPEAKER_00: I think it'll just take one losing season.
20:16
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't necessarily have to be a bad three and nine.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: I just remember all the seasons you take for granted that were eight and four, six and seven and five, and you're like, you know what?
20:28
SPEAKER_01: Damn, we really suck now.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it's as bad as as anybody our age has ever seen.
20:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:35
SPEAKER_01: Um Texas hung in there, missed field goal by Ohio State to push it to two possessions, and they were able to come back with 21 points in the fourth quarter.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that man, that was the biggest thing that stood out to me is that in the fourth quarter, you know, last five minutes of the third quarter, the entirety of the fourth, Arthur Smith and Matt Patricia had no answers.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: Right.
21:06
SPEAKER_00: You finally saw Muschamp figure out how to keep how to get them off the field, and then Sarkeesian, you know, said Arch, just go out there and cut a freelance, man.
21:20
SPEAKER_00: Right.
21:21
SPEAKER_01: Well, um Texas is now the new number one, Georgia number two, Notre Dame three, Indiana four, Miami five.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: And then you have Ohio State six.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's LSU Ole Miss, and then um I I LSU will miss this weekend.
21:40
SPEAKER_01: Man, dropping them all the way to six.
21:42
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: I know, but it it come on.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter with those teams.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: They're the the schedule that Ohio State has, they if they go nine and three, they're gonna be in the playoffs.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, same thing with Texas.
21:54
SPEAKER_01: The they're just not gonna they're not gonna penalize them for that loss if they win.
21:59
SPEAKER_01: No.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Big games.
22:02
SPEAKER_01: But Oregon sucking is not is gonna hurt.
22:06
SPEAKER_01: It will.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: So you Michigan, Michigan getting that big win over Oklahoma.
22:10
SPEAKER_00: That was a big win.
22:11
SPEAKER_00: That helps Ohio State.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: Indiana still being relatively tough is gonna help them.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: And how you play in those those top games, you know.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: If you lose close, I I get that.
22:23
SPEAKER_00: Right.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: And for three almost three full quarters, Ohio State pushed Texas around.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: Ohio State.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: That's why that game wasn't as big as I thought it would.
22:32
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's yes, you want to see it, but it's not gonna have that.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: No, it doesn't mean anything.
22:38
SPEAKER_01: No.
22:40
SPEAKER_01: Um Alabama, impressive came out.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: Stumbled early, but that was a lot of energy in that building.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: New coach, right?
22:50
SPEAKER_01: Kentucky's spending money.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: That guy's that guy talks crap.
22:55
SPEAKER_01: Talks a lot of trash.
22:56
SPEAKER_01: You know, and and and they they weathered a storm and they put it on him in the second half.
23:00
SPEAKER_01: What was it?
23:01
SPEAKER_00: Well, the quarterback, quarterback making his first road start.
23:05
SPEAKER_00: About the worst thing that could have happened to him to start the game happens.
23:08
SPEAKER_01: Impressed by that, though, his response.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I tell you, the the defense for Alabama is what jumps out.
23:15
SPEAKER_01: Pass rush.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're they're a lot better.
23:16
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be ugly on Saturday.
23:18
SPEAKER_00: And they're able to run the ball.
23:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:20
SPEAKER_01: They're just they don't need to do anything else, they just run it right up the middle.
23:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're they're a better team than they were last season.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
23:29
SPEAKER_01: Oklahoma is not.
23:31
SPEAKER_01: Well, I just thought that was an under-the-radar win, you know, that they really took over that game.
23:38
SPEAKER_01: And they domined, they took over that game.
23:40
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna tell you, Kentucky doesn't suck.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: No, they don't suck, but they're you know, I'm just saying they're better than we are.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah.
23:47
SPEAKER_01: And they just destroyed them.
23:48
SPEAKER_01: Right.
23:49
SPEAKER_01: So it's not I was just like, oh boy.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: We're one of the worst teams in in the power conferences.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: So um LSU all misses this weekend.
24:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's gonna be insane.
24:03
SPEAKER_01: It is.
24:05
SPEAKER_01: Iowa with the big win over Iowa State.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, watch out for Iowa, it's another big 10 team.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: My ideas they have a speedy wide receiver.
24:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:14
SPEAKER_01: He's like one guy.
24:16
unknown: Right.
24:17
SPEAKER_01: They just have they're just so sound.
24:19
SPEAKER_01: Well, you you know they're always gonna have defensive offensive line and defense.
24:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and special teams.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: And special teams.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they're not gonna, they're just it's so they there's their sneaky big ten team.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: They're a team that's gonna be right there if they can get to 10 and 2.
24:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:36
SPEAKER_01: Well, they have they need to get one of those big wins.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, but with Oregon dropping, they could be that team that steps in.
24:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Oregon, man, they they look they they've looked bad two weeks in a row.
24:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
24:50
SPEAKER_01: It's over.
24:52
SPEAKER_01: Um Oklahoma, that wasn't that wasn't nice.
24:56
SPEAKER_00: They went into the big house and I I've seen enough of John Matheer.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:03
SPEAKER_00: This guy, you know, Danny Connell's Tim Tebow at Florida comparisons.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: Like, no.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: This this he cannot throw, man.
25:13
SPEAKER_00: Great runner.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: You know, can can do a lot of things with his legs, man, but they the passing game is just abysmal.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: Overreactions for the NFL week one.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: Chargers suck.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that would be one of them.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: That was the if you had him in a survival league, there's a lot of people that lost.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:36
SPEAKER_01: Nine and a half point favorites, biggest favorite of the first weekend.
25:41
SPEAKER_01: They go down convincingly to Arizona, who looked pretty good.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: And if if if Brissett can play that he cannot turn it over, if they can run the ball a little bit, because he can sling it.
25:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: And that that tight end they got is top notch.
25:59
SPEAKER_01: Right.
25:59
SPEAKER_01: McBride's one of the best.
26:01
SPEAKER_01: Really good.
26:01
SPEAKER_01: I think he's one or two.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: I think him and it's a lot of good tight ends.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there really is.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: And but he had he blew them all out of the water last year in the first.
26:10
SPEAKER_00: Well, I think if you're seeing the shift, it's not guys like Kelsey and Kittle anymore.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: They're kind of the old news.
26:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: It's some of the younger guys.
26:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this guy, but it impressive win.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: New coach there, little LaFleur.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, little little little fleur.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: How about big LaFleur?
26:25
SPEAKER_01: What an idiot.
26:26
SPEAKER_01: They got well, they went for it after They took points off the board, man.
26:30
SPEAKER_01: That that's that you go up by 15.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: The effort and you go back to 12, that was it.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the effort from the team after after he he took it off the board and they got stopped.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: It was over.
26:44
SPEAKER_01: They got yeah, they got dead, they got killed.
26:47
SPEAKER_01: And uh Carson Wentz stepped, they showed you why JJ Calvin.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: Why he sticks around and why yeah, why JJ McQuier?
26:55
SPEAKER_01: Why backups are important and you can't just suck and be like a high draft pick, and you'll you'll be out of the league if you can't play.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's not if you can't play even a little bit, right?
27:06
SPEAKER_01: Like at least Mariota, he can get in, he can be a backup.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right?
27:13
SPEAKER_01: You're seeing that Jameis with his with his contract.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: Right.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: Capable backups are not.
27:18
SPEAKER_01: If you're gonna be a good team, you need to have a capable backup.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: Mac Jones, shit.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:24
SPEAKER_01: Like it's not easy to find a backup.
27:27
SPEAKER_01: He came in and threw, and it you know what?
27:29
SPEAKER_01: You got one of the best receivers in the in the game, and that's what he did.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: He threw the ball to Justin Jefferson, and that's what you should do.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: I like I like their running, they're running tandem.
27:38
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: Aaron Jones and uh their defense is just right.
27:41
SPEAKER_01: They they blitzed.
27:43
SPEAKER_00: Flores Flores just has coming Jordan Love in a blender, man.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: Once it it just It's like they're gonna keep coming until you break.
27:53
SPEAKER_01: And they broke the Packers.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: That last possession for Green Bay was just insane.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: Like it's like Minnesota uh yeah.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: So that's another overreaction.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: The Bears offense looking like the Bears are the best offense of all time.
28:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
28:15
SPEAKER_01: Chiefs got Kenneth Walker, they're gonna be unbeatable.
28:18
SPEAKER_01: Chiefs look good.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: Um they look like they have that running game they wanted so badly the last few years to go with that defense, they finally have it because their defense is still there.
28:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: They are that coordinator, and just they're tough on D, man.
28:36
SPEAKER_01: And if they get Andy Reid any kind of weapon, he's gonna figure out how to use it.
28:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they they had it was just a nice game plan, and they were able to just map out that win without putting a lot of pressure on Mahomes with his first game back.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and what the hell, Bo Nicks.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: That's what hey I I mean.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: Are you even the guy?
29:01
SPEAKER_00: That's that that's what everybody expected out of Bo Nicks immediately.
29:07
SPEAKER_00: And we're just the last couple years have been surprised.
29:10
SPEAKER_01: Quarterbacks, man.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: I I just you make they're just paying Baker Mayfield.
29:17
SPEAKER_01: Peyton's not calling plays anymore.
29:19
SPEAKER_01: 55 he made three million dollars for that for that performance yesterday.
29:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: Goodness gracious, man.
29:28
SPEAKER_01: Just fumbling the ball all over the place.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: Fumbling it everywhere.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: It's too much, too much of his old, you know, it's not college anymore, man.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: You he's a good, he's not, yeah, he's not that level.
29:42
SPEAKER_01: He's okay.
29:42
SPEAKER_01: He can get, but he thinks he's better than that.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: Eventually you get old, man.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: You gotta stop making guys miss and just go down after you get eight yards.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: I mean, to the best quarterbacks throw the damn ball into the fucking ground when they when they don't have it.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: Right.
29:58
SPEAKER_01: Tom Brady, Peyton Manny.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: Peyton Manning.
30:01
SPEAKER_01: I've seen those are the two best I've seen.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: I grew up watching them.
30:05
SPEAKER_01: They were in control of the offense.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: They know if a play doesn't work, you you're done.
30:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can't be a hero in this league.
30:12
SPEAKER_01: No.
30:13
SPEAKER_01: And that was what Jameis got in trouble with.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: Thinking he's gonna make something heroic happen every time.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: I don't understand why these teams aren't going out and trying to get a guy like that when you're paying and then pay the O-line, go get O-line, go get supporting cast.
30:32
SPEAKER_01: You don't, I'm not paying a quarterback$55 million.
30:35
SPEAKER_01: Right.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: Well, if I mean I know that's what you have to do.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: Well, why?
30:40
SPEAKER_00: Because that nobody wants to be that team that misses on Pat Mahomes.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: Well, nobody wants to be the Bears.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: You had Butt Baker, go ahead, man, walk.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: We'll get another, we can get somebody like that.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:53
SPEAKER_01: For way cheaper.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: Right.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: The same contract we gave you.
30:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we'll go find somebody.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: Like, don't get it twisted, man.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: What did you win to make you go up to the$55 million?
31:03
SPEAKER_01: Why why does everybody get to go up to$55 million?
31:07
SPEAKER_01: How about you need to win a Super Bowl?
31:09
SPEAKER_00: Win a Super Bowl.
31:10
SPEAKER_00: Cool.
31:11
SPEAKER_00: You you got some nice highlights where you keep plays alive and do does.
31:15
SPEAKER_01: Well, Pat Mahomes, Pat Mahomes, three damn world championships.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: One MVPs, one won Super Bowls.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: Like seriously.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: And we got people like Justin Herbert.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: He looks so good.
31:31
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, it looks good.
31:36
SPEAKER_01: His new the new balloons he found in the his little friend.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: Maybe he's not focusing on game film.
31:47
SPEAKER_01: New tits for the wife?
31:49
SPEAKER_01: He's working on the wrong jugs machine.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for real.
31:52
SPEAKER_01: That's all he really cares about.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: That was pathetic.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: And I I'm tired of him, man.
31:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm just tired of him.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: Not him.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: I don't know him, but he's hearing about how great this guy is.
32:04
SPEAKER_00: He just needs this.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: He needs an O-line.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: He needs a running back.
32:09
SPEAKER_00: He needs a defense.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: Like you've given him everything.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: And he's just it's not there.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: Nope.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: Just nothing got it.
32:18
SPEAKER_01: That's why I I mean that's why.
32:21
SPEAKER_00: You know, Jeff George had a rocket arm, man.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: Best arm you ever seen.
32:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: But win shit.
32:30
SPEAKER_00: Can't win with him.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: Can't do it.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: Colts look like trash.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: Baltimore just put it on them.
32:40
SPEAKER_00: Brown.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be honest with you, man.
32:42
SPEAKER_00: I'm not confident that the Dolphins.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but there's yeah, the Browns, Titans, and Dolphins.
32:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's your race for the best.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I I unless Shador is is that improved because Deshaun Watson is done.
32:57
SPEAKER_01: But I will say this Jacksonville is for real.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're good.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: And you gotta give them credit.
33:01
SPEAKER_01: Right.
33:02
SPEAKER_01: I think they was a that was a buzz all, but man, Cleveland.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: Well, it wasn't like Cleveland wasn't close at any point in that game.
33:10
SPEAKER_00: From the right.
33:12
SPEAKER_00: From the first possession, just like, dude, this team is just like they're terrible.
33:20
SPEAKER_00: They gotta pay him all that money.
33:30
SPEAKER_03: We had to go.
33:35
SPEAKER_03: I see him.
33:36
SPEAKER_01: He's just pulling up.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we gotta get on out of here.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: But before we go.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:51
SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's 20.5.
33:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:58
SPEAKER_01: Any other great matchups next week?
34:02
SPEAKER_01: Uh we got the Gators in Auburn.
34:05
SPEAKER_01: That'll be interesting.
34:06
SPEAKER_01: It will.
34:06
SPEAKER_01: Two new coaches.
34:08
SPEAKER_01: Familiarity.
34:09
SPEAKER_00: Familiarity.
34:10
SPEAKER_01: See who's gonna get the upper hand there.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: That's a big game.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: Maybe Auburn's starting 3-0 with a new guy.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: Florida's starting 3-0 with a new guy.
34:20
SPEAKER_01: Auburn's got a good defense.
34:21
SPEAKER_00: They do.
34:23
SPEAKER_00: Um, Florida has not been tested at all.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: I think it'll be an ugly game.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:30
SPEAKER_01: But it'll be close.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: And this is this is a quarterback that beat Florida last year when he was with USF.
34:35
SPEAKER_00: It's true.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: So we'll see.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: A running back's tough, though, man.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: Ball.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm looking forward to Monday Night Football next week.
34:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh Giants, Rams.
34:51
SPEAKER_01: That'll be a good one.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: Speaking of overreaction, man, Rams looked like just dog shit.
34:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:58
SPEAKER_01: And the Giants look really well.
35:00
SPEAKER_01: They really just look professional, man.
35:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:03
SPEAKER_01: I was just gonna say John Harbaugh and Baltimore, that looked like the right move.
35:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:12
SPEAKER_01: Just like, hey man, you've been here way too long.
35:14
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:15
SPEAKER_00: Fresh start for both.
35:16
SPEAKER_01: And you're you're a good coach.
35:18
SPEAKER_01: We have good players, but it's just done.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: That that pass rush for the Giants might give them some problems.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: That's why I liked them.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: And because I watched them last year and you saw the talent, it was the culture and it was the professionalism.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you had a meatball on the sidelines as head coach.
35:37
SPEAKER_01: Now everybody's doing what they have to do to do their job and be the best they can be and scalvanize the team, and I think they'll be in the playoffs this year.
35:50
SPEAKER_00: I agree.
35:53
SPEAKER_00: Jameis leads them to a Super Bowl.
35:54
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, like the hosteller! Oh yes! Give it to me right in my veins! That's what I want.
36:02
SPEAKER_01: But we got a lot of games to watch, and we'll have week two of Pick'ems coming up.
36:08
SPEAKER_01: Your boys 12 and 4.
36:09
SPEAKER_01: We'll have all that.
36:11
SPEAKER_01: Next time.
36:11
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36:25
SPEAKER_02: You gotta give us a shot! You don't want to