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Ep. 23 – eBay's FCC Rule, Buying Used Ham Gear and Icom ID-5200A After a Month · Everyday Ham Podcast: Amateur Radio Conversations

0:13
SPEAKER_01: All right, welcome to the Everyday Ham.
0:15
SPEAKER_01: I'm James, K H A K U, joined here as always with Jim, N A J R D, and Rory, W A K N X.
0:22
SPEAKER_01: Good to see you, fellas.
0:23
SPEAKER_01: Before we get started in today's show, uh, a couple of quick reminders.
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SPEAKER_01: So, with that, as always, we'll start with a round the shack.
1:00
SPEAKER_01: Rory, why don't I go to you?
1:01
SPEAKER_01: Because I know you also have some shout-outs that you wanted to get into.
1:05
SPEAKER_00: Did you mention the Discord?
1:06
SPEAKER_00: I was I was zoned out a minute.
1:08
SPEAKER_00: Did you mention the Discord?
1:09
SPEAKER_01: We briefly mentioned it.
1:10
SPEAKER_01: However, we do love our Discord always a good community.
1:13
SPEAKER_00: I was busy enjoying what's become my my favorite my favorite mug.
1:17
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
1:17
SPEAKER_00: Which is which is from the city.
1:21
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I heard the merch store, but I I I was busy with the mug.
1:25
SPEAKER_00: So bunch of nerds.
1:26
SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a good mug.
1:27
SPEAKER_00: It's a nice mug.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: It it fits whether you it's it's good for a morning beverage or an evening beverage, I found.
1:33
SPEAKER_02: So might be whiskey in uh in rocks there.
1:36
SPEAKER_00: It could be.
1:38
SPEAKER_00: It could be.
1:38
SPEAKER_00: I think it's about the right time of day for that.
1:41
SPEAKER_00: All right.
1:42
SPEAKER_00: So a couple of weeks ago I was uh randomly about my business and I get a text message from a longtime Civil Air Patrol acquaintance, Leo uh W3VA.
1:53
SPEAKER_00: I had to look up his call because he's one of those eight LAN people that wanted a shortened call, but he got one with a three in it for some reason.
2:00
SPEAKER_00: So uh he said I was buzzing around YouTube looking for, you know, ham radio stuff, and I found I found you.
2:08
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know the channel existed.
2:11
SPEAKER_00: And we had a nice, nice chit-chat about CW.
2:13
SPEAKER_00: So shout out to Leo, good to hear from you, of course.
2:16
SPEAKER_00: And um we we had a good chat about the the CW journey and um certainly around the shack on on CW.
2:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh I did complete my my worked all states triple play.
2:29
SPEAKER_00: So I finally completed that last week.
2:31
SPEAKER_00: I did get New Mexico on CW.
2:33
SPEAKER_00: So um Leo and I discussed for a little bit by text message, you know, the journey to CW, and I I, of course, I believe he had found our video with Terry, uh W8 T M B.
2:44
SPEAKER_00: So go back in time in our feed.
2:46
SPEAKER_00: If you're if you're learning CW, go back and listen to our chat with Terry.
2:49
SPEAKER_00: It's a good one about starting starting CW, and uh it's not as as daunting as you might think.
2:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh also shout out to Nick, KF8, uh, FLI friend of the channel.
3:00
SPEAKER_00: We met him last year at Hamvention down in Ohio, and I I believe he's finally completed completed with his school and trying to make his way in the real world.
3:09
SPEAKER_00: So we we wish him the best of luck and thanks for being a friend of the channel.
3:13
SPEAKER_00: Um couple po couple folks, the merch store we mentioned earlier, lots of folks buying stuff there.
3:19
SPEAKER_00: Terry W8TMB, good friend of the channel, also Aaron W8UDX.
3:24
SPEAKER_00: We've said both of those names many times.
3:25
SPEAKER_00: Thanks for being repeat customers.
3:27
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
3:28
SPEAKER_00: Jim K E8YTQ, James K E9EYW.
3:32
SPEAKER_00: It's like there's a lot of gyms around here for some reason.
3:34
SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of gyms on the Detroit.
3:36
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what to tell you.
3:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
3:37
SPEAKER_00: And John K2TNX.
3:39
SPEAKER_00: So very good.
3:41
SPEAKER_00: Um and I now that I'd say that call signal load, I've worked him on on, I've hunted him on POTA by CW, I think.
3:47
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, that's uh that's funny.
3:49
SPEAKER_00: But uh shout out to all those guys and and thanks for thanks for being good friends of the channel and supporting us by uh finding stuff in the merch store.
3:57
SPEAKER_00: Um what else is going on in the shack?
3:59
SPEAKER_00: Still enjoying the 5200, might as well talk about the icon ID 5200.
4:04
SPEAKER_00: Um it's still in the car, it's still doing well.
4:08
SPEAKER_01: Had a uh you've had it now, refresh my memory.
4:10
SPEAKER_01: You've had the 5200 for four weeks, three weeks?
4:13
SPEAKER_01: About a month.
4:14
SPEAKER_00: I would say close to a month, yeah.
4:16
SPEAKER_01: So you've got some good quality time with it now.
4:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's uh it's become comfortable to use.
4:20
SPEAKER_00: I still a couple of the men, you get still used to something.
4:23
SPEAKER_00: I ran the 5100 so long that every now and then I'll try to do something.
4:27
SPEAKER_00: I was uh trying to switch to a Simplex channel to talk to Jim one day and I couldn't couldn't remember how to get to the VFO right away.
4:34
SPEAKER_00: But I but I found it.
4:35
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't that hard.
4:36
SPEAKER_00: I just it just wasn't immediate, but it's immediate now because I had to do the same thing the other day.
4:40
SPEAKER_00: But uh I'm enjoying it.
4:42
SPEAKER_00: That display, the the color, color display, it it looks good, it's easy to navigate.
4:47
SPEAKER_00: It uh it's it's a good mobile rig from a from a functionality standpoint um and and a visual standpoint.
4:53
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't hurt your night vision, it's easy to see what channel you're on, um, and it's it's just easy to use and and it performs as you'd expect an iCOM, you know, high-quality iCOM mobile to operate.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: So uh he knew the 5100 like the back of his hand.
5:09
SPEAKER_02: In fact, he operated it without looking.
5:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh he operated it behind his back, in his pocket.
5:14
SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
5:15
SPEAKER_02: Uh so it makes me it made me chuckle when uh I was waiting for him on Simplex on my FTM 500.
5:20
SPEAKER_02: I said, I bet he doesn't know how to get over here.
5:22
SPEAKER_02: It took him just that little bit of time and he came over.
5:25
SPEAKER_02: He's like, Yeah, I had to figure it out.
5:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they did it they did a good job laying out the the keys on the radio.
5:30
SPEAKER_00: It all makes sense, but it's still that automatic muscle memory when you've been using a a piece of equipment, whether it's a radio or any any other device you might have for that long, which 12 or 15 years, I guess.
5:41
SPEAKER_00: You know, it it took me a minute.
5:42
SPEAKER_00: And uh but still it's it's I'm happy with it.
5:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm pleased with the purchase, and it's a it's a good fit in the car.
5:48
SPEAKER_00: I think I still need to finish the the install properly.
5:53
SPEAKER_00: It's it's in where my 5100 was.
5:55
SPEAKER_00: I still want to do something different with it.
5:56
SPEAKER_00: But as we get into the colder months, I'm sure that'll become a a spring project.
6:01
SPEAKER_00: So that's about all in the shack.
6:03
SPEAKER_00: Nothing too exciting.
6:04
SPEAKER_00: It's been pretty quiet on the radio front for me.
6:06
SPEAKER_01: And I have a I have a question to the group too.
6:08
SPEAKER_01: We were very excited that the ICOM 5200 as well as the Kenwood TMD 750 were going to launch at the same time.
6:16
SPEAKER_01: We called it correctly.
6:18
SPEAKER_01: They were there.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: How has that battle been shaping up?
6:21
SPEAKER_01: Has anyone seen in the news uh which radio at the moment is winning, or is it pretty much users that pick the radio they like?
6:29
SPEAKER_00: Well, do we do we know anyone with a 750?
6:32
SPEAKER_02: R Rory's nailing it on the head.
6:34
SPEAKER_02: To be honest, there was that early launch, which I think was Kenwood shittin' and gitting to get it out the door, uh, and there was a very few radios that uh actually got out to the folks.
6:43
SPEAKER_02: I think that iCOM had more stock.
6:45
SPEAKER_02: Uh more folks have gotten their iCOMs, it looks like.
6:48
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and it certainly seems like, at least for now, uh, there's a lot of talk about the ICOM being uh the preferred radio, at least in our circles, uh and the folks that we've been watching, but I think that it's a it's a big stock issue.
6:59
SPEAKER_02: I think that when TMD 750 does come back in stock and the folks that are waiting with baited breath to get that third band are getting them, I think you're gonna see that uh perhaps even out a little bit.
7:08
SPEAKER_02: I do think that there are folks that are going to be very happy to have uh 220 and also happy to uh start to play with that radio that they've been waiting for for a long time.
7:16
SPEAKER_02: You can't buy it, is basically the what it boils down to.
7:19
SPEAKER_02: All right.
7:20
SPEAKER_02: And is does the uh 5200 have APRS yet?
7:23
SPEAKER_00: No.
7:25
unknown: No.
7:25
SPEAKER_00: Come on, ICOM.
7:26
SPEAKER_00: That's that's interesting.
7:28
SPEAKER_00: You can run it uh if you run if you run an app, you can run it through the KISS TNC.
7:32
SPEAKER_00: It will work.
7:33
SPEAKER_01: Which is a great feature, by the way.
7:35
SPEAKER_00: But it's not natively in the radio yet.
7:38
SPEAKER_00: Um and I'll tell you what though, I I I'm looking forward to it, but I do run all the time with two frequencies on in my car, two specific frequencies that I listen to, one repeater and one one other frequency.
7:51
SPEAKER_00: I don't know that I'm wanting to give up the other side of the radio to APRS.
7:54
SPEAKER_00: So the the FTM 500 may may stay in the car for that purpose.
7:59
SPEAKER_00: Um it's a so I don't miss it.
8:02
SPEAKER_00: I I don't hate that it's not there.
8:04
SPEAKER_00: I look forward to it being there because I'm very curious what iCom's gonna do with the interface.
8:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because correct me if I'm wrong, but icom has not made a native built-in APRS RIC before.
8:15
SPEAKER_02: If I'm wrong, it's all uh it's all digital APRS through D Star right now.
8:20
SPEAKER_00: So I am curious what the interface is going to look like and and uh all the things that I'm used to with APRS on the the um Yesus uh 500 there in the car.
8:30
SPEAKER_02: So uh I think it has the potential to be the most modern APRS implementation by quite a long shot because DM750 recycled an ancient uh APRS uh implementation.
8:42
SPEAKER_02: Yesu keeps their radios somewhat up to date, but I still think that we want for some uh correction to functionality, especially around messaging on the APRS uh side in this.
8:52
SPEAKER_02: So I'm really excited.
8:53
SPEAKER_02: If if Ken or I'm sorry, if uh ICOM can make APRS messaging similar to text messing in its ease of use, which it shouldn't be that hard to do, gentlemen, uh it could really break open the APRS usage uh to more folks that are uh basically just annoyed with the other workflows.
9:11
SPEAKER_00: So as far as an on-the-screen keyboard with the 5200, so when I was in Chicago, I realized that I didn't have the one of the repeaters I I listened to around town there programmed into the radio.
9:22
SPEAKER_00: So I did it by hand on the 5200, and I put in the alpha tag and all that with the keyboard on screen.
9:28
SPEAKER_00: Nice clean process typing on that screen with the with the normal keyboard, you know, that'll pop up.
9:33
SPEAKER_00: So if certainly was a better experience than typing on my my 500 screen with the with the Yesu.
9:39
SPEAKER_00: Very small, very difficult tiny buttons.
9:42
SPEAKER_00: Fingers are far too fat for that.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: So you need a you need a stylus.
9:46
SPEAKER_02: You need a stylus on the 500.
9:47
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, yeah, assuming it's all gonna be in the same neighborhood of uh of what the display will look like for typing.
9:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that'll be a better experience right there.
9:55
SPEAKER_00: But I I'm I'm hoping ICOM comes out with a nice clean that screen's so so good looking.
10:01
SPEAKER_00: The color the color screen on the 5200, it's it's just gonna look good however they do it, I think.
10:05
SPEAKER_01: Um I'm rooting for iCOM here to do it right, and I think if there's one organization that could do it, it's probably iCOM.
10:11
SPEAKER_01: I'm curious though, we talked about a second ago.
10:14
SPEAKER_01: What why not?
10:15
SPEAKER_01: It was an announced feature that was supposed to release at a later date.
10:19
SPEAKER_01: It's been out a month.
10:20
SPEAKER_01: I'm just curious when and if if this is becoming a concerning it's only been four weeks, I get it.
10:27
SPEAKER_00: But I don't get worried about things.
10:30
SPEAKER_00: That's fair.
10:31
SPEAKER_02: You know what, Roy?
10:32
SPEAKER_02: I don't think there's any concern about them delivering.
10:34
SPEAKER_02: They're they'll deliver APRS.
10:36
SPEAKER_02: I I hope that it's like you said, a polished version of APRS because the the potential here is massive for them to do something that modernizes uh a very established workflow that a lot of folks are using.
10:46
SPEAKER_02: It's probably one of the biggest used digital modes.
10:50
SPEAKER_02: Think about it, right?
10:51
SPEAKER_02: Like aside of what, WinLink, maybe FT8, of course, but like it's one of those top digital modes.
10:57
SPEAKER_02: I even if you don't like APRS, there's a lot of folks using it.
11:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
11:01
SPEAKER_00: I've I've only used it a short time in in the grand scheme of my ham time of being a ham, you know, and I I've grown to like it and enjoy it.
11:09
SPEAKER_00: I think they're working to perfect it and and it'll just come out when it's ready.
11:13
SPEAKER_00: They don't want to you know it's an ad it's an added feature.
11:16
SPEAKER_00: It's something that that doesn't keep you from using the radio effectively, so why not take the time to make it right?
11:20
SPEAKER_00: I hope that's the approach they're taking.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: When we're down in at hamvention in uh less than less than four months, I think, we can or Hamcation rather in less than four months down there in Florida, we can we can harass our friend Ray about it if it's not out yet.
11:34
SPEAKER_02: Oh, right.
11:35
SPEAKER_02: If you're watching the video, let us know when it's coming.
11:38
SPEAKER_02: They'll see us coming.
11:39
SPEAKER_00: They'll hear they'll hear us coming.
11:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're not we're not exactly quiet people.
11:42
SPEAKER_01: But Jim, what's been uh what's been going on in your shack lately?
11:45
SPEAKER_02: Well, first of all, I'm I'm also holding this little tiny slice of hope out that when they bring 5200 APRS, they're like, maybe we should go back and give it to the 52A as well because the interface is so darn close.
11:56
SPEAKER_02: That would be cool.
11:56
SPEAKER_02: I would absolutely be frickin' over the moon if they delivered APRS native to the uh 52A as well.
12:04
SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's coming to 52A.
12:06
SPEAKER_02: 52A plus, maybe.
12:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh that's the of course more modern version of it, and it would be more reasonable for the to the to expect that they deliver it to the most recent radio, but honestly, that's pie in the sky.
12:16
SPEAKER_02: I understand it.
12:17
SPEAKER_02: But I I keep thinking that like it's so close in how it operates.
12:20
SPEAKER_02: Why couldn't they?
12:22
SPEAKER_01: And of course, for those that don't know, the 52A is the uh mobile handheld.
12:26
SPEAKER_01: Handheld.
12:26
SPEAKER_01: Yep, the handheld.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: I'll hold it.
12:29
SPEAKER_01: Jim, of course, has sitting right there for those that are on the watching on TV.
12:33
SPEAKER_02: It's a it's this is a beautiful handheld.
12:34
SPEAKER_02: If you're looking for just a dual bander, the 52A is a really nice one.
12:38
SPEAKER_02: It's big, it's big in hand, but it also has a beautiful color screen.
12:41
SPEAKER_02: It's a really nice handheld, but again, pretty uh pretty nifty.
12:44
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, okay, in the NHRD shack, gentlemen, uh, you'll know that I got fired up about G7250, which is the Shagu, I believe is the proper pronunciation.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna try to use the proper pronunciation moving forward for the video.
12:58
SPEAKER_02: The Shagu G7250 is the separate uh unit there.
13:03
SPEAKER_02: James and I have uh put some money together.
13:04
SPEAKER_02: We have ordered that thing.
13:05
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna do a quick look at it, unbox that thing, do some review.
13:09
SPEAKER_02: I'm really excited for this to come.
13:11
SPEAKER_02: That radio looks interesting.
13:12
SPEAKER_02: I think it's has it has got some potential to set itself apart from a lot of our other uh things uh that we have out there and available.
13:20
SPEAKER_02: And uh it looks like as of yesterday, uh it is shipping from Guadong, Guadong, China?
13:27
SPEAKER_02: Is that how I say that word?
13:29
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure, but outside of Hong Kong.
13:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, outside of Hong Kong.
13:33
SPEAKER_02: And and yeah, James has got it pulled up here if you're watching us on the YouTube for the podcast, just so you know.
13:38
SPEAKER_02: Uh it gives you an idea, but uh man, it's got a nice looking screen.
13:41
SPEAKER_02: Again, we're excited about that big color screen, nice waterfall.
13:44
SPEAKER_02: This is a touch screen as well, so bigger touch screen.
13:47
SPEAKER_02: You can use your bigger fingers to push those buttons, I hope.
13:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and only a few folks uh have access to this right now.
13:53
SPEAKER_02: The temporary offline has been doing quite a few videos on it.
13:56
SPEAKER_02: He's had his for a little while.
13:57
SPEAKER_02: He does a really good job with them too.
13:59
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
14:00
SPEAKER_02: I was just gonna give him some credit.
14:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh TO did a really interesting and informative teardown on the hardware, which I quite enjoyed.
14:07
SPEAKER_02: So if you're looking for some information there, that's a really worthwhile thing.
14:10
SPEAKER_02: And looking at the inside, it kind of looks good, guys.
14:14
SPEAKER_02: It's a is a shaggy, but it kind of looks good inside.
14:16
SPEAKER_02: So uh I'm I'm very excited.
14:18
SPEAKER_02: This is on on the way to our doorstep here in South Lion, uh, and I'm looking forward to uh getting it in my my my hands here, reviewing it, taking a look at it.
14:27
SPEAKER_02: Um you know what the big deciding factor for me on this one is gonna be is the receiver any good?
14:34
SPEAKER_01: Simply put, that is the make-or break.
14:37
SPEAKER_01: That's a make or break situation for a lot of people.
14:40
SPEAKER_02: I think I think a lot of people, when we're talking about a$400 radio, have a lot of lenience for a somewhat acceptable receiver.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: We're talking a$1,000 radio here, right?
14:49
SPEAKER_02: This is not beans as far as radio spend is concerned for many folks.
14:53
SPEAKER_02: A thousand bucks is pretty good spend.
14:55
SPEAKER_02: So I'm expecting more from this particular receiver uh than any of my other Shagu units, let's put it that way.
15:01
SPEAKER_02: And I'm hoping that they deliver on it because they do mention quite a bit of filtering on the back the front end here.
15:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh they they mention quite a bit of work that they've done on that.
15:09
SPEAKER_02: So I'm crossing my fingers that they've got something winning here.
15:12
SPEAKER_02: Um, if you're looking at it, first batch first batch orders on the Radiodity website look to be still available.
15:20
SPEAKER_02: So uh they were saying that early ones would deliver sometime around October, November.
15:23
SPEAKER_02: Uh late ones would be later into December.
15:25
SPEAKER_02: So you might not get them for Christmas break if that's what you're shoot shooting for.
15:28
SPEAKER_02: But uh you can use coupon code Everyday Ham, by the way.
15:31
SPEAKER_02: We do have that coupon code.
15:32
SPEAKER_02: You can go over to Radiodity and check it out.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: But uh that's uh that's what I used and and ordered it up.
15:37
SPEAKER_02: And I'm I think this is gonna be a cool radio.
15:39
SPEAKER_02: I'm looking forward to reviewing it.
15:40
SPEAKER_02: What I do know is it is going to let me down on the remote ability front.
15:44
SPEAKER_02: We had thought originally that we need to separate that.
15:47
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
15:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you we thought you could separate the head with a with an Ethernet cable, plug it into any jacket your house, and you could like kind of get online like the flex radio uh system was, or um, similar to maybe the 7760.
15:58
SPEAKER_02: That's not the case, unfortunately.
16:00
SPEAKER_02: It looks like uh a D sub 15 cable, similar to the one that you used to use on your CRT monitor, is the connectivity between head and body.
16:08
SPEAKER_02: So uh that's a little bit of a I wish I wish they did something different there.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: But and your theory there was it's it's shielded, right?
16:15
SPEAKER_01: It's a traditionally shielded cable to avoid interference, so therefore maybe it makes sense, but it's definitely uh a little bit of an old connection.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: And the age of the connection and and the connector itself don't matter to me at all.
16:27
SPEAKER_02: It's just that it's it's kind of a strange decision.
16:30
SPEAKER_02: I'm figuring we needed multi-pin connectivity between base and head, right?
16:34
SPEAKER_02: So 15-pin, what what cable can we go to that's widely available, that we don't have to go commission a special connector or a special cable to be constructed.
16:42
SPEAKER_02: D sub 15 made a lot of sense, right?
16:43
SPEAKER_02: Like a CRT style cable made a lot of sense.
16:45
SPEAKER_02: Shielded, uh, it can carry a whole bunch of pin of pins worth of data.
16:49
SPEAKER_02: Why not?
16:49
SPEAKER_02: Right, and maybe that's how we landed there, but we'll see.
16:52
SPEAKER_02: I I am excited about that.
16:53
SPEAKER_02: That's what that's what I've really been looking forward to in the shack.
16:56
SPEAKER_02: I'm also uh running the South Lion Trading Company over here.
16:58
SPEAKER_02: I'll joke about this.
16:59
SPEAKER_02: Uh James, uh busy uh setting himself up for a potential uh new radio purchase as well.
17:06
SPEAKER_02: And this will be a good transition for you, James.
17:07
SPEAKER_02: But he's got a few units that I'm selling for him while he's traveling to and fro to Germany.
17:12
SPEAKER_02: So James still.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Jim Jim, Jim, uh, as he's calling it the South Lion Radio Trading Shack there.
17:18
SPEAKER_01: He's been a good enough friend to allow his expertise to assist with selling some uh old equipment.
17:25
SPEAKER_01: So he's been doing the uh QRZ and other listings, which we'll actually maybe bring up to our other our main topics here in a little bit.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Um so thank you, Jim.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: I appreciate your services.
17:35
SPEAKER_01: Uh trying to build up the armory here for the 7110, the icon.
17:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'd like to am very fascinated by that radio, as I think we've already talked about.
17:47
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's gonna be, let's be honest, a good review radio for everyone out there as well.
17:51
SPEAKER_01: So we hope to bring that content.
17:53
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but I'm also just generally excited for the radio.
17:55
SPEAKER_01: We've talked before, I I was initially very optimistic on the uh Yezu FTX1.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: I I really love that form factor with the Optima and being able to separate the body and the head and having really just a complete package.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: So for me, maybe this fills that gap.
18:11
SPEAKER_01: As as Rory has said, it is what I want it to be, maybe.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh I I didn't I didn't say that.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: That was that was that was that was icon stick.
18:21
SPEAKER_00: That was icon stick at atvention.
18:24
SPEAKER_00: The radio is what you want it to be.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm hoping it is a awesome mobile radio for my uh Tacoma because I do not have a VHF UHF radio in there currently, so 2 meters 440.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'd love to get some HF in there.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: So for me, that seems awesome.
18:40
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm pretty stoked.
18:41
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but it's pricey.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: Well, let's be fair.
18:44
SPEAKER_01: We don't know the price yet, but we're speculating that it will be pricey.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh I think we originally said probably around the$2,000 mark was our guess.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh, that was our hope.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: It's it's I'm hoping it's under two just for uh for an to get people moving on it.
19:02
SPEAKER_01: But it's I think I said$2,300 was my estimate.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say it's gonna be a$2,400 rig.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: That's that's where we're at, especially as as things go up.
19:11
SPEAKER_01: But uh thank you, Jim, though, for again your expertise and listing things online.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh I really do appreciate it.
19:18
SPEAKER_01: So hopefully we'll be able to build those coffers and and get a new radio.
19:22
SPEAKER_01: Pretty excited for that.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: Uh outside of you know selling things, uh return from New Mexico.
19:28
SPEAKER_01: I I tried to uh work Rory and CW, but I let them down.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: Sorry about that, Rory, but uh you didn't let me down.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: You tried.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: I just couldn't hear you.
19:35
SPEAKER_02: We were trying to power were you running?
19:37
SPEAKER_02: I I'm always curious.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: Because you were running CW, so Oh, I I think I went down to 50 watts at one time.
19:43
SPEAKER_01: I started at 25.
19:46
SPEAKER_01: A respectable amount.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: Uh when Rory couldn't hear me, I I boosted it a little bit.
19:50
SPEAKER_01: I know that's uh maybe not.
19:52
SPEAKER_02: So you run the FT protocol 891.
19:53
SPEAKER_02: FT891.
19:54
SPEAKER_01: I was running the 891, yeah.
19:56
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
19:56
SPEAKER_01: I I mean it was not in a good setup when I initially tried to work Rory like all things.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: I set up an antenna outside my hotel window.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: Uh so that's a very compromising position.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: What was it tied to a salt shaker?
20:08
SPEAKER_01: No, not this time.
20:09
SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't need to wait it with a salt shaker.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: I I just uh tied it off to their old dish network uh satellite thing they had up there and ran it down.
20:17
SPEAKER_02: If you're a new listener, the last time James tried to run uh HF from a hotel room, it was a wire out the uh window with a salt shaker tape to it.
20:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, to give a little weight.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: I have if you guys ever want to pick my brain on the expertise of running wire antennas outside of a hotel room window, I'm probably your guy.
20:36
SPEAKER_01: I've uh yeah, I've dropped them straight down.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: I've taken a portable mast and stuck it out the window through the crevice and got a got a wire down.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: I've tried uh mag loops, I've tried a lot of different things there.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: So uh if you're ever in that market out there in in this uh podcast land, let me know.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: I will share with you.
20:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh but a pack tenna is not an optimized antenna with a white, the very lightweight wire.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: You need something with a little heft, guys.
21:03
SPEAKER_01: So let's start there.
21:04
SPEAKER_02: You've got a counterweight there, yeah.
21:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
21:06
SPEAKER_01: So that's where the salt shaker came in as the counterweight.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: But uh travel schedule is still picking up, so hopefully I'm I'm trying to get a radio packed with me uh one of these trips here to Germany, just to either get a park or get some uh somewhere to get some QSOs in, and that'd be enjoyable to me.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: But unfortunately, they're pretty packed schedules, so sure.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
21:26
SPEAKER_02: So it's a lot to travel with for just one outing, especially when you're in the work uh work mode.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: So it's understandable, but maybe there'll be an opportunity that uh presents itself.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: I still I've traveled next week out to out to Las Vegas for work, and I'm still missing Nevada as an activated state, but I don't think this trip is gonna have have time for it.
21:45
SPEAKER_02: I want to say there's a poda park on one end of the strip there, and it's a really, really urban one, too.
21:50
SPEAKER_02: It's like a parking lot.
21:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's there's now two really three uh who am I gonna talk to for ten contacts?
21:57
SPEAKER_01: There'll be someone.
21:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Not not I don't imagine.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: Not not reliably.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: Not that I mean, I guess there could be, but that'd be like rolling the dice.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: But you know, I have that to do in Vegas.
22:09
SPEAKER_02: I mean that's that's what you do in Vegas.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: Right.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: It's it's the old Las Vegas.
22:12
SPEAKER_02: Vegas Mormon Fort State Park, US 4443, and it is literally a parking lot with a fort on it in the middle of Las Vegas.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: And I was thinking of asking if you were going to try, but it's a like I said, a lot of equipment to tow for one what 45-minute walk down the put to the thing and get it.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I haven't decided.
22:29
SPEAKER_00: I have to decide because we we leave for out there Sunday, and there's just a lot to do on this trip.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I don't have the extra travel at the end of the week like I did last year.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: So it's uh because I'm coming right back after the after the event.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: We'll see.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: I'd like to do it.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: Might not do it.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: I'll be there again next year, I'm sure.
22:49
SPEAKER_02: So the top activator in the Mormon Fort Park in Vegas is 17 activations and only 392 activator QSOs.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: So man, it wouldn't be it wouldn't be hard to get on the uh list here because you only need two.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: You know, it it amazes me out west how how how that under traveled some of those parks are, right?
23:07
SPEAKER_00: It's uh and I I don't know, I think a lot of them are further apart or just in areas that uh that don't get as much traffic.
23:13
SPEAKER_00: But I mean I had been watching um my one of my spots out last year out in California, US 3537 Point Doom out there in Malibu.
23:24
SPEAKER_00: Beautiful park.
23:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean, right on the beach.
23:26
SPEAKER_00: Um and I activated that on a on November 6th of last year, and I did not get bumped by another activator until uh September the 20th.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: That's I thought I was gonna go a full year being the last activator of that park.
23:39
SPEAKER_00: Um and honestly, the the most QSOs there is 157 by somebody.
23:45
SPEAKER_00: So I I wish I would have looked at that.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: I could have worked it a little harder and gotten on the leaderboard there.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: Um if I get out to California again, I'll work to do that, I think.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah, I I just I I don't uh I don't know.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a couple.
23:58
SPEAKER_00: I think there's three now in uh in the in in the city, basically.
24:02
SPEAKER_02: Um there's one in the city proper, and then there's two that are on the fringe, basically.
24:06
SPEAKER_02: You'd have to do some drive-in for the other two.
24:08
SPEAKER_02: These this one's walkable, which I think is why if you look at James's screen, and and again we have the screen pulled up now, all of the all the activations are basically 10 or 11 QSOs, which I'm uh makes me laugh because they was uh 425 of this month, so April 25th.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: So there's room for improvement there, Rory.
24:29
SPEAKER_01: You could you could you could make this happen.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: I like that.
24:33
SPEAKER_00: There just isn't time, and I gotta I don't feel like hauling the 891 out there for it, I don't think.
24:38
SPEAKER_00: So radio to tow.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the for me, this is not something where I think of, oh, I'm going to Las Vegas.
24:44
SPEAKER_02: I should take my amateur radio, right?
24:46
SPEAKER_02: I I have some other priorities, perhaps, if I'm going to Las Vegas.
24:50
SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'll find myself out there for a conference and I and I'll drag something out there with me.
24:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
24:54
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I really screwed up last year by not getting the quickie one in in Nevada.
24:58
SPEAKER_00: I took too much time getting the Arizona one done.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: I I got I was screwing around and then uh and uh getting my antenna blown over and having all sorts of problems to where my time went by.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: And uh the problem actually came where whatever the one was I was gonna do in Nevada on my way out, the access road was closed for construction, and I I kept getting uh screwed up for where I was going.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: And eventually I realized that I needed to start my drive down to Los Angeles, or I wasn't gonna get there till well after midnight.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: So you know, and I I needed to get to LA because I was staying in Airbnb, and that's always screwy.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: And you know, the to get the keys for the Airbnb I was staying in, I had to gr uh grope around in a in a series of bushes in in in Hollywood at at sunset and vine to find a lockbox with a key in it at midnight.
25:44
SPEAKER_00: That was that wasn't a good time.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: So I'm glad I wasn't any later than I was.
25:49
SPEAKER_02: There's good news.
25:49
SPEAKER_02: The next Airbn Airbnb you go to, you won't have to clean any of your sheets or wash your towels.
25:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I heard about this.
25:55
SPEAKER_02: You you're officially paying your cleaning fee so that they can actually clean it for you.
25:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:59
SPEAKER_00: Good news.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: I was glad to see that.
26:01
SPEAKER_02: Crazy got to be.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: I was glad to see that.
26:04
SPEAKER_00: And there's some funny videos out there on the internet of people being like, you know, completely abhorred of the fact that they're gonna have to at least take care of their place and post their guests and clean up things.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: I uh let's pivot back here.
26:17
SPEAKER_02: So I do want to call out real quick, because I don't think we did a recognition on this last month, and it was right around the time it happened.
26:24
SPEAKER_02: POTA.next went live, guys.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: So the new POTA app has actually been live on the website for just about a month now.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: And little refinements happening as they've launched it, too.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: I've noticed the filtering is a little bit different, right?
26:35
SPEAKER_02: The map is tremendously different, like it's way, way more in uh way more useful.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh, it will help you track the parks that you have uh chopped the tree down in, which I've heard the locals calling it.
26:46
SPEAKER_02: Uh so uh when you activate a park, you can kind of chop that tree down, move on to the next one if you're trying to get over.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: I've never heard that, but I I kind of dig it, the metaphorical sense.
26:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:55
SPEAKER_02: And so if you haven't gone over to POTA app, POTA.app, you don't have to go to the POTA.next.app anymore.
27:01
SPEAKER_02: It is there live, ready to rock, and it's it's really impressive.
27:04
SPEAKER_02: I have uh been just sitting here in the evening uh spending some time playing with it, uh doing some hunting on sideband uh because that's what I do, and uh just really enjoying it.
27:13
SPEAKER_02: So I'm sure if you're out there and and you're a regular POTA person, uh you knew it.
27:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh you're already like, yeah, guys, that's been live forever.
27:20
SPEAKER_02: It's already old news.
27:21
SPEAKER_02: But uh if you're out there dabbling, uh it's worth checking out.
27:24
SPEAKER_02: It it does give you a lot more metrics.
27:25
SPEAKER_02: They've really updated this site, made it awesome.
27:27
SPEAKER_01: I'm very I'm very impressed with how they listened to the feedback and uh incorporated.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this was completely feedback driven.
27:35
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
27:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so when I talk to when I talked to uh uh Q5 there for a little bit on the topic, it was it was really interesting to hear all the stuff that they were doing behind the scenes, and that was still when this was way early in the process, right?
27:47
SPEAKER_02: When we were still getting through things.
27:48
SPEAKER_02: So it's it's fun to see it all all delivered.
27:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm I'm excited about it.
27:52
SPEAKER_02: Looking forward to continuing to use it.
27:54
SPEAKER_02: My park numbers are still not amazing, but I still enjoy the the program even as just a hunter.
27:58
SPEAKER_02: So we don't have any huge topics tonight, no, we don't today.
28:03
SPEAKER_01: I was about to say I actually have a question for you guys.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh I I've been a little bit tied up and I haven't I've seen some Hubble Baloo about eBay.
28:12
SPEAKER_01: Hullabaloo and uh big words guys today, and about uh eBay not listing amateur radios.
28:18
SPEAKER_01: And to be honest with you, I haven't really been following the situation, but I was curious if you know what is happening.
28:25
SPEAKER_01: Because it seems like there's a lot of people are upset, and I don't I don't know why exactly.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: Well, everyone's always upset.
28:34
SPEAKER_02: We're looking for we're always looking for fun news to report on here in the amateur radio.
28:39
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I would call this fun news, but what I will say is this is not a new idea.
28:42
SPEAKER_02: First of all, five or six years ago, uh Amin Amazon announced a similar project, which is they were gonna require FCC authorization for all the radios that were coming into the website, so that, you know, a lot of this uh, you know, Fang this, rad tell that, X this, you know, whatever that uh wasn't going to be able to be sold unless it was a registered and FCC, you know, approved radio to operate on the amateur bands.
29:04
SPEAKER_02: I don't know how far that went because you can certainly order a lot of things on Amazon that I would say are further unlocked than most of us would would expect.
29:13
SPEAKER_02: They certainly transmit on amateur bands, they will also transmit everywhere else, and very spuriously at that.
29:18
SPEAKER_02: And so when we when we talk about what's happening with eBay, I think it's very similar to that five-year-ago thing that Amazon tried to do.
29:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh this one's a little bit more, I think, under scrutiny right now.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: Uh in the name of national security, which is what they're claiming uh on the uh FCC front, uh, you know, we're we're trying to restrict the sale of devices in the VHF and UHF range uh that can transmit outside of the amateur bands.
29:41
SPEAKER_02: And so what the what the I guess the enforcement is from eBay's side is uh non-amateur equipment uh that has the potential to transmit out of those spaces uh would require an FCC registration number uh to sell on the website.
29:56
SPEAKER_02: And that's really the big change for us amateurs who are selling gear like an ID52A because we're moving on to whatever ICOM's next gear is, or uh I'm moving on from my ID uh IC7300 because uh the new Mark II came out, right?
30:08
SPEAKER_02: That stuff's still gonna be list and sell just like you usually could.
30:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh but this particular uh listing will affect things that uh per tap perhaps are a little bit more on the gray side of the uh the sales space, things that aren't registered, things that you may have acquired in some other way or via some other website like AliExpress or Timu or all of those places.
30:29
SPEAKER_02: And and what I also think you'll probably see is there's probably going to be a little bit of reduction in those types of radios being sold through the eBay platform, right?
30:36
SPEAKER_02: Right now, oftentimes you see these Ali sellers, these TMU sellers selling under a similar name, selling the same radio on eBay with the markup built right in, because it's easier for them to approach the US market, right?
30:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh if I'm if I'm already set up on eBay to buy, it's easier for me to go to eBay to order that than it is for me to go set up a new AliExpress account to order that radio, right?
30:57
SPEAKER_02: So it makes a lot of sense for those sellers.
30:59
SPEAKER_02: It may impact some of those type of things being available.
31:03
SPEAKER_02: And I don't know if that's a bad thing, gentlemen.
31:05
SPEAKER_02: I I honestly don't.
31:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh you can you're still gonna be able to go get it if you want to.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: Everybody knows how to acquire these things by whatever means are necessary.
31:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't know if it's a bad thing.
31:14
SPEAKER_02: I I do think that uh, you know, with with a lot of the radios that are on Amazon now, there is some level of of registration in a lot of them, right?
31:21
SPEAKER_02: Like a lot of them are part approved in in some way or another.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: So we'll see.
31:25
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
31:26
SPEAKER_02: What are your thoughts?
31:27
SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't know that anybody I let me ask this.
31:30
SPEAKER_02: When's the last time you bought anything on eBay?
31:32
SPEAKER_02: Both of you.
31:33
SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
31:33
SPEAKER_02: Oh, this this in general?
31:35
SPEAKER_00: This FT, yeah, this uh FT51 Yezu that I had to have.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: This this was my this was my last eBay purchase.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: Two years ago.
31:43
SPEAKER_02: That was over a year ago.
31:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that had to be a year and a half ago.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this this classic 90s era Yesu handheld that I had to have.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: What a great, what a great buy.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: James, have you I mean, like, have you made done any business on eBay?
31:53
SPEAKER_01: No.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: And I'll be honest with you, I'm also trying to avoid stores, uh, storefronts like Amazon as well.
31:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh, not for this particular reason, but just because I feel like there's so much junk on those sites now that it's just not worth your time going there.
32:07
SPEAKER_01: So I'll try to go to a supplier direct or something of that nature.
32:10
SPEAKER_01: Um what is the statement?
32:11
SPEAKER_02: We wheat from the chaff, right?
32:13
SPEAKER_02: Wheat from the chaff.
32:14
SPEAKER_02: And and I can appreciate what James is saying here.
32:16
SPEAKER_02: And James, I think you do a tremendous job of searching out those smaller sellers of things uh that are producing at bespoke levels, like you know, 20 of them here, then when they're sold out, you gotta wait a couple weeks until they build the next 20 of them, right?
32:29
SPEAKER_02: I I think you do a tremendous job of supporting those people.
32:32
SPEAKER_02: And oftentimes the pricing on those is is higher, right?
32:35
SPEAKER_02: Because it's small back.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: That's the to me, that's the fun stuff, if I'm being absolutely yeah, like the uh oftentimes bleeding.
32:40
SPEAKER_01: The Pebble HF radio.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: It's the little fifty for those that don't know, it's the little fifty dollar uh what's the group that makes it?
32:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, the two, the couple.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: Uh Ham Radio Duo?
32:50
SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's them.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: I was just on the tip of my tongue.
32:52
SPEAKER_01: Yep Yeah, yeah, thank you.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: They they came out with a little uh mobile five watt kit for a radio to build.
32:59
SPEAKER_01: It has a built-in uh key on it for CW as well.
33:02
SPEAKER_01: And it's just it does all mode, right?
33:05
SPEAKER_02: You you pick a band and it does all the code.
33:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:07
SPEAKER_02: It does SCI.
33:08
SPEAKER_02: You could do digital and you could do sideband.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: It's a simple kit 3D printed case, you know, a simple assembly.
33:15
SPEAKER_01: Actually, I I have it over here as uh and a low price.
33:17
SPEAKER_01: That's what they were going for, which I appreciate as well.
33:19
SPEAKER_01: So 50 bucks is not the best example.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but actually I thought for Mia McKenzie, who is learning to solder, uh, I thought that'd be a fun project for us to do together, for example, get her into radio.
33:29
SPEAKER_01: It's exactly what a lot of these hams say is how do we get kids interested in uh amateur radio more?
33:35
SPEAKER_01: It's something cheap that I could do with her that she can build a radio and then get on the air with me.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: So uh for me that's that's actually a really good mission.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: But a lot of those bestoke products, it's it's built for a purpose which I like more than anything.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: And I like supporting people that are applying their creativity to build something.
33:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh and I'm not making fun of the team's of the world, but I feel like those are the copycats.
33:56
SPEAKER_01: And I'd rather support the people doing the creativity than just necessarily the copycats.
34:02
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
34:03
SPEAKER_02: I uh and I honestly I wanted a true answer from you guys because you know me, I do love to kind of spend my time in all these different markets and keep track of what's going on, what pricing's happen what's going on.
34:13
SPEAKER_02: And so I probably am the most active on eBay.
34:16
SPEAKER_02: And I'll be honest, I have not made a significant purchase on eBay.
34:19
SPEAKER_01: This is why I gave you my gear to sell, Jim.
34:21
SPEAKER_01: This is why I went to you, because you're the man of many, many avenues of acquiring devices.
34:27
SPEAKER_01: That's true.
34:28
SPEAKER_02: So summarily speaking, you know, FCC requ registration required for things being sold on eBay.
34:34
SPEAKER_02: Do I think this is going to be a major impact or no?
34:36
SPEAKER_02: I think people have moved on from the eBay marketplace in many many regards.
34:39
SPEAKER_02: If you want to sell a used radio now, put it on QRZ if you actually want to move it.
34:43
SPEAKER_02: Well, to be honest, too.
34:44
SPEAKER_01: When any legislation involves folks yo-yos, you know.
34:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:47
SPEAKER_01: They get really strict on the enforcement, it yo-yos back a little bit and things of that nature.
34:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:52
SPEAKER_02: And and and here is my my big deal.
34:55
SPEAKER_02: I have lots of feedback on eBay.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: I used to do quite a bit of selling on there as well.
34:59
SPEAKER_02: When you couldn't move a uh item anywhere else, you had a nice big marketplace of folks that were looking for a thing, and it was a great place to list it as a last resort.
35:06
SPEAKER_02: Now, fees were always something you had to keep in mind, right?
35:10
SPEAKER_02: It would be 10 to 12% off the top of whatever you sold.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: And you were willing to pay that because you reached a big audience.
35:15
SPEAKER_02: And so you said, okay, you know it's going to move at a higher price.
35:18
SPEAKER_02: I'm happy to make that concession.
35:20
SPEAKER_02: And it's a little tit for tat.
35:22
SPEAKER_02: It's not like that anymore.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: eBay's fees are out of control, uh, and it makes it hard for me to recomm recommend them as a place to sell either.
35:30
SPEAKER_02: And that for me is is probably the big reason why I think I don't know how long eBay has marketplace-wise.
35:35
SPEAKER_02: I've seen a lot of sellers.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: I follow, I follow the sellers' marketplaces uh and the conversations, and sellers are complaining about it too, right?
35:42
SPEAKER_02: I it for years we've been talking about the fees going up and whether or not the reach that you're seeing from eBay is worth the squeeze.
35:48
SPEAKER_02: And I don't think I don't think it's there anymore.
35:50
SPEAKER_01: You were gonna say this, Jim, and I think I cut you off before, but if you're a new hand, I'm going to this market and you're gonna go out and buy some used radio equipment.
35:59
SPEAKER_01: Where's the first spot you're going to?
36:01
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm going to the local club and the flea market nearby, the ham swap first, right?
36:07
SPEAKER_02: Now, I'll put a big star on ham swap because I've gotten burned many times buying broken gear at the ham swap, right?
36:13
SPEAKER_02: But if you talk to the people at the table, you can kind of get a feel for whether or not you're on the I'm I'm I'm taking a chance side or I'm this is a person that's just trying to get rid of some nice gear.
36:23
SPEAKER_02: You can always tell, and and oftentimes price reflects that as well, right?
36:27
SPEAKER_02: When when I get a killer deal on something, I know there's a pretty good chance there's probably something wrong.
36:31
SPEAKER_02: If there's something that uh is price, it's too good to be true.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: It probably is.
36:34
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
36:35
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, new hams, I I've going to the club around town to see if there's any options.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to the ham swaps around town, and then I'm going to QRZ's marketplace because I have had great, great experiences on QRZ.
36:46
SPEAKER_02: I've bought very expensive gear there, I've sold very expensive gear there, and it's for the most part been a great experience.
36:51
SPEAKER_02: I had one bad experience, no fault other than you know, sometimes people aren't as stand-up as you'd like them to be.
36:58
SPEAKER_02: So there you go.
36:59
SPEAKER_02: But that that's my that's my recommendation.
37:01
SPEAKER_02: Start there.
37:02
SPEAKER_02: If you're really looking for a a radio that you want to just invest in and run with, probably go buy it new and and save yourself the hassle.
37:09
SPEAKER_02: Right.
37:09
SPEAKER_02: Go to go to the DX Engineering's, go to the ham radio outlets uh and pick one up.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: But are are you are you afraid of buying used equipment?
37:16
SPEAKER_02: Should you be that for me the answer is if you're a brand new ham, you should have your have have your head on a swivel on the used stuff because you don't know enough about the equipment yet to know whether or not it's in good shape.
37:30
SPEAKER_02: And so go with somebody that knows.
37:32
SPEAKER_02: Go with a go with another ham that knows and check it out together.
37:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh don't don't assume that uh you're just gonna get a great deal from somebody because unfortunately there are there are situations where folks are trying to get rid of broken stuff.
37:43
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, that that's a really good question.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: It's easy when you're a new ham and you're excited and you go to that first swap, you know, that you just got your license and you're looking for a handheld that's gonna do it.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: Well, and everyone's different too, right?
37:55
SPEAKER_00: You know, you'll be able to talk to on and you and you find this you know$25 you know handheld on some guy's table and you say, Oh, I'm gonna take this home and get on the repeater and talk to all these all these guys, and you know, you get it home and it doesn't hold a charge.
38:09
SPEAKER_02: And he'll be he'll be gone, yes, you are.
38:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, but big knots.
38:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know I think definitely if you're if you're Gina Jack Nicholson or whatever.
38:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh yeah, yep.
38:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you if you're new, uh you know, take a friend with you to swap.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: You know, certainly don't don't bite the first one you you see.
38:29
SPEAKER_00: But I think as as a new ham, you know, reading through QRZ, QRZ listings is is perfectly safe.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of really good used equipment there at very good prices.
38:39
SPEAKER_00: I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
38:41
SPEAKER_00: But uh definitely I think it's it's worth a you know, if you've got your license, it's worth a new, a new moderately priced handheld if you can afford it.
38:48
SPEAKER_00: You know, one of the it doesn't have to be one of these high-end ones.
38:51
SPEAKER_00: Yesu has a few, iCom has a few that are are reasonably priced.
38:55
SPEAKER_00: I think it's it's well worth that being your first handheld.
38:58
SPEAKER_00: But I I don't think I'd be afraid of I'm definitely leery when I buy used equipment.
39:02
SPEAKER_00: But I look around the shack here, you know, I have a power supply that's new uh used.
39:06
SPEAKER_00: I have I have several handhelds that are used.
39:09
SPEAKER_00: My X10 was used.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: My DX10 was used, absolutely.
39:12
SPEAKER_00: And that that was you know that was a uh open box return out of um ham radio outlet.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: Ham radio outlet out in Anaheim, and and that was a funny story.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: Jim brought it to my attention as as you know someone who who has has the ability every morning to go online and look at everything that's for sale and and any discipline everywhere in the world.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, whether it's Jim's classic, I go and read the newspaper with my coffee in the morning as I go on the internet and look at the forums.
39:39
SPEAKER_01: So I'll get it.
39:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he brings it to my attention.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: It's before business hours in in California, but as soon as they were open up there, I called him and the guy at HRO laughed.
39:48
SPEAKER_00: He's like, Yeah, this is a guy who uh probably got it out of the box, turn it on once, and put it back in the box.
39:54
SPEAKER_00: We see him a couple times a year.
39:56
SPEAKER_00: That's just what he does.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: And I said sold.
39:59
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I I got a really solid price out of DX10.
40:02
SPEAKER_00: It got here with plastic was still on the screen, it was never used.
40:05
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's a lucky that's a very lucky break.
40:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's it.
40:09
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, it's if you if you're watching for it, which Jim was watching on my behalf, as he's always nice enough to do when when someone's serious about something, um, you know, he he he always has that spidey sense.
40:21
SPEAKER_00: But if you don't have that spidey sense, you know, definitely photphone a friend.
40:24
SPEAKER_00: Don't don't fall trapped, don't fall victim to stuff.
40:27
SPEAKER_01: But if you don't if you don't have a friend, find a club.
40:30
SPEAKER_01: There are people, there are good clubs out there too.
40:33
SPEAKER_01: So like if you don't like the first club, find another club and find someone in that club that's like that.
40:37
SPEAKER_01: We just said that, by the way.
40:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:38
SPEAKER_02: We're finding a lot of that uh lately.
40:40
SPEAKER_02: And I think actually some of the other channels have talked about that as well.
40:42
SPEAKER_02: Uh Ham Radio 2 uh Jason down in Texas there, talking recently about uh the welcomingness of clubs.
40:49
SPEAKER_02: And and and I totally agree with this.
40:51
SPEAKER_02: We've talked about this before.
40:52
SPEAKER_02: We won't beat it up on this one too.
40:54
SPEAKER_02: But you know, go find one, go find the one that fits your your personality.
40:57
SPEAKER_02: If the first one you go to isn't that great, don't feel like you have to send them some some membership fee to join.
41:02
SPEAKER_02: Just check out the next one.
41:04
SPEAKER_02: Show up.
41:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:05
SPEAKER_01: If a club does not just welcome you to show up and kick the tires, so to speak.
41:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:12
SPEAKER_01: You can maybe try for another one.
41:14
SPEAKER_02: But so summarily, if you're a new ham, do you buy used equipment?
41:17
SPEAKER_02: The answer is a qualified sure.
41:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:19
SPEAKER_02: But be smart about it.
41:20
SPEAKER_02: Don't don't don't uh don't assume.
41:22
SPEAKER_02: And if you and it you may be a really sharp new ham.
41:25
SPEAKER_02: You may already have done all the research and you may feel qualified to go do that.
41:28
SPEAKER_02: By all means, go get a deal.
41:30
SPEAKER_02: Go out there and get one.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, we won't beat up the topic.
41:33
SPEAKER_02: eBay gonna require some registrations on certain pret perhaps gray-edged gear.
41:38
SPEAKER_02: Uh, if you bump into that, we'd love to hear it.
41:40
SPEAKER_02: I'd love to hear your story.
41:41
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I'd love to hear people running a pride ham.
41:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:44
SPEAKER_02: If you if you actually bump into that, I would love to hear what your experience is with it.
41:47
SPEAKER_02: eBay claims they're going to be responsive uh to advertisements that are pulled for this particular reason and react accordingly.
41:55
SPEAKER_02: My experience with eBay is nothing moves quickly.
41:57
SPEAKER_02: And uh once their automated system flags it, good luck.
42:00
SPEAKER_02: So I'm guessing that you're gonna have a poor experience if you do get flagged.
42:04
SPEAKER_02: You might as well just create a new ad and go from there.
42:06
SPEAKER_02: But uh let us know.
42:08
SPEAKER_02: I'd love to know down in the in the comments there.
42:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: So in other maybe updates on news, uh, we talked a few episodes ago about HR 1094S459.
42:19
SPEAKER_01: For those that do maybe don't remember that house bill that was the going there or the Capitol Hill bill, that was the Amateur Radio Emergency Preparedness Act.
42:28
SPEAKER_01: Uh, that was the one that was gonna allow amateur radio enthusiasts to put up antennas in their HOAs uh and they're buying their homes and sort of work that so no real update on is that gonna become a law because the U.S.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: government, who knows?
42:44
SPEAKER_01: But uh there remember you remember we talked about the uh lobbyist groups reprimanding homeowners associations, uh, and they have been on Capitol Hill.
42:55
SPEAKER_01: That that uh lobbyist group has been on Capitol Hill and opposing that law.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh and they say that it's an opposition basically uh would restrict, quote, would restrict the ability of community associations to require prior approval of amateur radio infrastructure.
43:11
SPEAKER_01: So uh as expected, they're pushing back.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm assuming the HOA bill, the HOA lobbyist group, which who knew that was a thing, uh probably has a little bit more money than maybe some of the amateur radio uh organizations out there, but I hope the ARL is uh taking note and also pushing back.
43:29
SPEAKER_01: I I don't expect really much to come from that bill personally, which uh I was hoping, but and remember PRB1 still stands, right?
43:38
SPEAKER_02: The the PRB1 rule still stands and has for many years at this point.
43:42
SPEAKER_02: In fact, uh we'll we'll go we'll go to another channel that's popular on the internet.
43:45
SPEAKER_02: You probably heard of Josh Radio Crash Course.
43:48
SPEAKER_02: He was harassed recently with the big antenna he has on top of his room, a beam.
43:51
SPEAKER_02: It looks like uh perhaps one of the stepper beams uh properly properly talked of the antenna.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: Or no step IR.
44:01
SPEAKER_02: No.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: No.
44:03
SPEAKER_02: No.
44:04
SPEAKER_02: So this is not the only amateur radio legislation that exists.
44:08
SPEAKER_02: It was intentioned specifically to further unrestrict.
44:12
SPEAKER_02: uh an amateur from operating uh in a reasonable way antennas and other things on what is essentially their own property.
44:19
SPEAKER_02: HOAs certainly have uh far too much reach in in all of our opinions, I believe.
44:23
SPEAKER_02: I'll speak for everybody here.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh and it it's it's quite unfortunate.
44:27
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's it's the product of uh uh a a a societal creation that uh has certainly been bastardized since its original inception and that's unfortunate so we'll we'll see where this one goes.
44:37
SPEAKER_02: I agree with you James this one appears to be dead on the vine.
44:40
SPEAKER_01: We sort of expected that there was a a resurgence around the uh lawmakers that were uh backing it uh in certain states but uh it would have it would have required a monumental push and I think that there's a lot of distractions in the United States right now uh now that we've hit these midterm elections and you're looking at new representatives coming in it's uh probably gonna be a tough tough sledding uh maybe in more exciting news to share uh and and I had some questions about how long is this is this really going to last that long uh Ares so the amateur radio of on the International Space Station uh they announced with NASA a partnership to extend the amateur radio on the International Space Station for another four years uh so starting in 2026 I love that I'm very excited for that congratulations to the team and NASA and everyone that puts those events on.
45:33
SPEAKER_01: They do a lot of events for STEM events with schools uh amateur radio operators being able to contact on the ISS uh slow scan uh TV events so yeah all in all pretty cool I remember when I first got into amateur radio and this is one of the common tropes but oh I can talk to the International Space Station was just one of the coolest things and you see it pass and you can get an antenna and hear it and all those things.
45:55
SPEAKER_01: So I I love that that's happening.
45:58
SPEAKER_01: I thought they were decommissioning the International Space Station so I was a little surprised to see a four year extension but I mean it's got to expire at some point the thing's old at this point.
46:09
SPEAKER_02: It's 2030 is what we're looking at with a potential extension to 2032 is what they're currently saying.
46:16
SPEAKER_01: Yep I would say the 2000 so that's 30 years of amateur radio on the International Space Station.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah the Eris folks and and and the uh we had a good chance to talk with them at great length at both HamCation and Hamvention we ran into them both places and their outreach to STEM the you know the space station is great but um their outreach to STEM and what they're doing for students and the equipment and and training materials that they continuously make available at uh very low cost and and no cost in some cases to to schools for for training on uh not just space but electronics in general radio all those things is is tremendous it's a it's a phenomenal organization that that continues to to amaze me anytime you know I hear about them because they're always doing something new.
47:04
SPEAKER_00: And uh when we saw them at hamcation um what were they what were they showing us?
47:12
SPEAKER_01: It was a it was a the CubeSats the little CubeSat yeah I couldn't remember what it was called the STEM the STEM kits where you could assemble a CubeSat and use it as a a demo unit basically they were they were incredibly basic but I mean it a very very phenomenal learning tool.
47:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean it it there were so many disciplines of of electronics and and and physics and just general things that that you would learn just by working with that.
47:35
SPEAKER_00: It was it was just very cool to see.
47:47
SPEAKER_02: And then they can fly them up in a big group.
47:50
SPEAKER_02: There are many of them that fly up together in a big group and then are launched into into space to to do the whatever satellite things that they're sent up to do with the uh the loads that they get um it is a really really cool program.
48:01
SPEAKER_02: James you had something go ahead.
48:02
SPEAKER_01: No I was just gonna say I I really appreciate those organizations because I think they're really some of the greatest ambassadorship we have in amateur radio and I'm I'm excited to see them actually getting recognized and I'd love to see them at events like Hamcation.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: So if you're not familiar with what they do uh it's definitely a great organization to check out I think that for for Ares to be extended until whenever the space station decides that it's finally retired is is a smart move by the the pro the program and also for the visibility of the space station and the projects that they're doing up there in general right this is a this is a way to outreach for students it's for the youth really and the funny thing is we monitor the channel here in the South Lion Amateur Radio Club and we're still stoked when there's another ISS SS TV event.
48:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh I mean it's so cool.
48:50
SPEAKER_01: Like there's there's no way to frame it that it's not a a cool event to check out and if you've never done a slow scan you don't need much to pull down the slow scan TV signal from the ISS and you can do it with your handheld and a cell phone.
49:02
SPEAKER_01: It won't be great but you can do it.
49:04
SPEAKER_01: And it's so fun to see and and it's just a good time to do and and everything.
49:08
SPEAKER_01: So AMSAT Aries you know thank you for all you do out there.
49:11
SPEAKER_02: It's a great organization and just all around worth supporting yeah what a what a what a great program I am very excited to see Ares extending that.
49:21
SPEAKER_02: We'll see what uh what other cool projects they have uh if if you haven't tried this SS TV you can collect all collect all the cards and then you get a little a little plaque and I know Rory loves collecting plaques.
49:34
SPEAKER_01: It's wooden you didn't have a lot of things I want to believe in the league and I I continue to try.
50:26
SPEAKER_02: One of two one of two lobby groups and and the other one still needs to catch a lot more steam before it will even be in a competitive state with the Air RL so certainly worth worth considering a little bit sadder news perhaps then James on this one here.
50:41
SPEAKER_01: An interesting an interesting hamburger method talk about something exciting or no sad exciting sad got it go.
50:49
SPEAKER_02: This one's a tougher one sitting here reading my Reddit in the morning which I certainly do you guys are making fun of me but that's true.
50:55
SPEAKER_02: I do browse all my uh subs in the morning including the amateur radio one and there was uh uh an incident uh down in Florida uh the in the last couple of weeks here where a gentleman uh 63 year old longtime pilot uh a retired uh Columbus Ohio police officer uh running a mosquito control helicopter down there so flying uh in low patterns uh uh working uh mosquito control down there uh did end up uh impacting an amateur radio tower of course amateur radio tower uh in that area uh it was 50 100 and 150 feet there were three towers in that general uh vicinity and unfortunately the gentleman was dusting or or spraying uh in the evening and it did not apparently see the tower did strike the tower and was killed uh which is uh really really sad news uh when we look at it.
51:42
SPEAKER_02: Sorry to hear that and sympathies to the family there too.
51:45
SPEAKER_02: That's horrible.
51:46
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely yeah the j I mean the gentleman doing I'm sure things that he had done and trained for many, many times before, right?
51:52
SPEAKER_02: It seems like he was a very uh experienced pilot but this is one of those types of things where uh you know dust crop dusting uh spraying all these low flying type of things these are tough these are tough uh professions to be in in general crop dusting I also know is a really tough one but uh you know the the towers were unlit right they're unlit they're unmarked because they're amateur radio towers falling below the ceiling requiring those lights and and and markings uh I don't know is it 200 feet I believe I believe 200 feet this is the regulation for for required lighting on a tower?
52:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah the floor for that yep yep so the in even the 150 foot tower well under that particular regulation you know I I I think that it's worth bringing up it's a it's a fairly interesting news event uh it's very unfortunate what occurred as as a result of the crash uh but you know I well within well within the regulations I don't think that there's a default of the amateur operator here uh to have towers standing uh it is just a an unfortunate coincidence and so it worth worth recognizing uh and uh again condolences to the the pilot and the family that were affected by that but uh it's a tough one to see.
52:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah for sure I I don't have much to add there.
52:59
SPEAKER_01: It's it's just an unfortunate accident and puts amateur radio unfortunately in the news in not a bad uh not a good light.
53:06
SPEAKER_01: That's that's the right wrong or indifferent button I'm just glad we don't hear about that more than we do.
53:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean especially around here we have I mean I I I'm sure everyone does it but it feels like right around here in town we have such a such a volume of of small aircraft activity.
53:21
SPEAKER_00: Yes and you know I I and they're not they're they're pretty low sometimes.
53:25
SPEAKER_00: We have we have uh four you know general aviation airports within within the vicinity right here.
53:32
SPEAKER_00: So definitely uh we have a couple folks with some pretty significant towers around here too so I'm just glad we don't hear this more often.
53:40
SPEAKER_00: It's unfortunate he was out doing his uh mosquito control at night.
53:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure that the night night the darkness uh uh was a factor I'll have to go in and read about that one I had not heard about that one before we talked about it tonight.
53:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:54
unknown: Yeah.
53:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah and I I know with all aviation incidents the NTSB takes some time to do the investigations and then report their findings.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: So I'm sure we'll be having some lessons learned out of this uh maybe some new regulations uh but I guess we'll have to see what comes from it.
54:09
SPEAKER_01: So I think we've about hit our time, gentlemen.
54:12
SPEAKER_01: Uh now this was episode 23 for those keeping tabs at home as well.
54:17
SPEAKER_01: So we are almost on two years.
54:21
SPEAKER_01: So uh we got some big episodes I think I think the December episode birthday to the Everyday Ham coming up here.
54:26
SPEAKER_01: Happy birthday.
54:27
SPEAKER_00: It's not happy birthday yet.
54:29
SPEAKER_01: Oh it's close.
54:30
SPEAKER_01: It's okay to celebrate a little early no well everything is reserving the pump everything is just like Christmas decorations in the in the stores.
54:39
SPEAKER_00: No we're starting in October it's how right that's it no we're gonna have Halloween's gonna happen this weekend and WNIC Detroit is going to have Mariah coming out of her or whatever she comes out of right away.
54:51
SPEAKER_00: So it's I'd love to have a little bit of that Mariah money uh for all the times that song gets played she's got a lot of it but no let's not creep let's not I don't game man.
54:59
SPEAKER_00: All this everything creeps earlier and earlier drives me bonkers.
55:03
SPEAKER_01: We're here now this is what we're doing.
55:05
SPEAKER_01: But I think in December we're planning on having uh our annual predictions episode so stay tuned for that.
55:12
SPEAKER_01: We'll also be cutting episodes in November as well.
55:15
SPEAKER_00: And ridiculous predictions all of the above.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah horribly inaccurate predictions uh as we'd like to produce I actually have a plea to the long form listeners if you make it to this part of the podcast every every month we appreciate you by the way if you're listening even on the audio only version uh certainly appreciate you spending all the time with us because it is really fun to have these conversations with James and Rory and also hear the feedback from the community in between each of these on our Discord uh where we talk about all things whether it be uh the current state of the economy the uh current state of ham radio what the latest uh digital mode is uh JTTY I'm looking at you or uh anything in between uh what kind of espresso maker we're uh brewing with uh most recently so lots of uh conversation there but uh if you do have a topic suggestion for the channel I am imploring you to reach out to us at cq at everydayham.com.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh some of our best topics have actually been the community folks that have reached out and said hey I've got a really cool idea I would love to hear you guys chat about it uh see what your thoughts are or maybe I'd like to join you to talk about that and that's how we've gotten some of our best guests Terry and the CW episode is 2026 is the top episode that uh the everyday ham has done.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh thank you it has Terry on it so W8TMB best episode that we did uh lots of lots of great feedback a lot of uh contentious feedback I just saw somebody say that stop using those three letter cue codes I don't know what's going on as a new ham and I I understand recognize it's tough man there's a barrier to entry on everything that that amateur radio seems to do uh but people are out here to to help you out and that's what we're here to do on the podcast we're here to talk about things that are interesting to you guys on the radio about the radio how you're learning to use your radio or otherwise so shoot us a shoot us an email i i would love to hear it if we don't reply to you don't feel bad uh we do get quite a few emails and some of them are asking to review an AI generated app sometimes it doesn't work out guys but that's okay we still love looking at it and I usually try to send an email back to say hey I tried it it's a fit or it's not but we'd love to hear from you.
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SPEAKER_01: All right so with that thank you everyone don't forget to visit everydayham.com you can find all our links that we've mentioned throughout this episode the show notes uh the email address the discord the socials please like and subscribe the merch door please like and subscribe please follow us wherever you get your podcast as the last reminder and plea it really goes a long way to make the everyday ham possible and also thank you to everyone out there as Jim has already said we appreciate it and with that from me 73s 73s