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Speaker 2: Getting into the Philadelphia Eagles.
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Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of us are still celebrating and keeping
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Speaker 1: in mind what this team just did a couple of
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Speaker 1: weeks ago in terms of the Super Bowl, but we're
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Speaker 1: already looking towards this offseason. How can this team continue
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Speaker 1: to structure itself in a way where it can be
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Speaker 1: a contender in the future. We got a great discussion
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Speaker 1: coming your way. Let's get into some Eagles talk right now.
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Speaker 1: Joining us this week coming to us from the Eagles
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Speaker 1: Pin Pull network. You can hear one of the great
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Speaker 1: podcast is on the Shane page. I subscribe to the
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Speaker 1: Eagles Pinpoll network on Apple Podcasts. They've got a great
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Speaker 1: Patreon platform as well, where you can dive into their discord.
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Speaker 1: We've got a real good friend of the podcast here,
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Speaker 1: Shane Half Shane buddy.
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Speaker 2: How you doing, my man?
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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. You know, the Eagles reigning world champions.
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Speaker 3: It's a great offseason to be talking about the Eagles.
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Speaker 3: Much better than where we were this time last year.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: I mean, after the collapse last year, you think to yourself, boy,
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Speaker 1: this team is going to it's going to take a
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Speaker 1: long time for this team to get back into perhaps
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Speaker 1: any sort of contention. Then one year later they're world champs.
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Speaker 1: My goodness, it was an amazing time. We were talking
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Speaker 1: about on the on our recent podcast with my co
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Speaker 1: host Len. I was down at the parade. Probably never
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Speaker 1: do it again. I'm glad I did, but it was
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Speaker 1: just I mean, I still feel like it's a celebratory
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Speaker 1: time fors s Eagules fans.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was talking to my wife about
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Speaker 3: the whole parade stuff, and she's like, if they do
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Speaker 3: that again sometime, you should like fly out for the parade,
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Speaker 3: And he's like, because I'm in Oklahoma, and I was like,
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Speaker 3: you know, honestly, and the parade doesn't appeal to me
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Speaker 3: a lot because I'm not like a big crowds, right,
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Speaker 3: that's not my get there early lots of drum people like,
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Speaker 3: that's not my thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: What I would do, like if I was gonna be
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Speaker 3: able to do it sometime is I'd want to fly
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Speaker 3: to like Philly for an NFC Championship game, even if
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Speaker 3: I couldn't like go to the game because tickets were crazy,
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Speaker 3: just to like be in the city during the game.
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Speaker 3: That would be really cool. But the parade, that'd probably
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Speaker 3: be down the list for me.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's definitely gonna be down the list for me.
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Speaker 1: After been there this year again, glad, I went, not
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Speaker 1: sure I'm gonna do it in the future. But I
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Speaker 1: do have to say, Shane, you all over at Eagles
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Speaker 1: Pinpool Network and doing some really good work. You know,
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Speaker 1: a lot of us are really kind of just floating
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Speaker 1: around in this online world and trying to get figured
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Speaker 1: out still because there's different platforms, certain platforms are changing.
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Speaker 1: Let folks know if you don't mind talking about your
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Speaker 1: Patreon platform through the through the on the same Shane page. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: on the Shane page, and you know some of the
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Speaker 1: perks that come with that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Johnny and I started a Patreon so you
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Speaker 3: can find it at patreon dot com slash on the
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Speaker 3: Shane page. And for folks that are unfamiliar with how
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Speaker 3: Patreon works, it's basically just a way to directly pay
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Speaker 3: creators to support their content. And so there's three membership tiers.
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Speaker 3: In ours, there's a free membership tier, and we release
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Speaker 3: things to free members from time to time, not a lot,
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Speaker 3: but you would get email notifications and occasionally I'll release
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Speaker 3: all twenty two videos and stuff, but most of our stuff.
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Speaker 3: There's a three dollars a month tier that gets you
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Speaker 3: access to a discord server where you know, Johnny and
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Speaker 3: I are in there chatting a lot, and we've got
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Speaker 3: a great community of guys and girls in the discord
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Speaker 3: And then our five dollars a month tier ads in season,
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Speaker 3: my weekly all twenty two pass game content and then
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Speaker 3: I will do so three and five dollars a month.
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Speaker 3: They can grab a free one week trial and sign
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Speaker 3: have very many people cancel, We'll say that. So I'm
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Speaker 3: highly satisfied with what we're putting out and it seems
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Speaker 3: like our people are too, so come check us out there.
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Speaker 1: We've had a number of folks from the Eagles pin
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Speaker 1: Pull network here on our podcast.
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Speaker 2: You know you.
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Speaker 1: Johnny has been on the podcast too. Took a little
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Speaker 1: bit for him to get on because of the time
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Speaker 1: I'm you know, him being over in England. You know,
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Speaker 1: the time, the time zone situation. But you guys do
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Speaker 1: fantastic content and it's and and put that out to
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Speaker 1: the masses, and it's honestly, it's one of the reasons
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Speaker 1: why I wanted to have you on as well and
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Speaker 1: to really talk about where this Eagles team is going
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Speaker 1: to go, because I know you're talking about it within
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Speaker 1: your podcast and Eagles platform as well, and I wanted
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Speaker 1: to really start off by, you know, talking about the
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Speaker 1: fact that you know, this Eagles team, they are Super
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Speaker 1: Bowl champions, and many of us. Yes, we are already
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Speaker 1: thinking about next season. We are hoping for a repeat.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about how they may get there based
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Speaker 1: on what the front office is going to really need
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Speaker 1: to do this offseason. Shane, And the first piece of business,
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Speaker 1: we got to get into the firing, not I'm not firing,
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Speaker 1: my gosh, filling Kellen Moore's role. The the old offensive coordinator,
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Speaker 1: Kevin Patulo. He was promoted from the passing game coordinator
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Speaker 1: and assistant head coach to be the new offensive coretor.
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Speaker 1: We know that Petullo has been with Sirianni here in
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Speaker 1: Philly since day one, so very instrumental in the run
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Speaker 1: pass option game as people know, the RPO game with
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Speaker 1: what Philly does week in and week out. So, Shane,
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering, you know, what are your thoughts on Kevin
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Speaker 1: Petullo and the kind of offensive coordinator that he's going
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Speaker 1: to be for this Eagles offense next season.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're jumping the gun there a little bit. We
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Speaker 3: usually don't start talking about firing offensive coordinator. I know
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Speaker 3: they've called like two maybe three games.
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Speaker 2: Pull back the curtain a little bit, folks.
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Speaker 1: I'm reading a question here and and I've got my
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Speaker 1: contacts in, I'm not wearing my glasses, and something weird
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Speaker 1: is going on with my prescription here. I'm turning into
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Speaker 1: an old man.
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Speaker 3: Shine. Yeah. So you know, I certainly get a that's good.
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Speaker 3: I certainly get a bit of the consternation that Eagles
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Speaker 3: fans have expressed about the Kevin Petulo promotion, because you know,
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Speaker 3: if you look back, the Eagles track record with internal
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Speaker 3: perms four OC haven't been great. In twenty eighteen, the
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Speaker 3: Eagles come off the Super Bowl win, they lose Frank
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Speaker 3: Right to Indianapolis, and they promoted Mike grow and they
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Speaker 3: went nine and seven back to back years before the
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty disaster where everybody gets fired. And then in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, you come off a Super Bowl loss
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Speaker 3: and you lose Shane Steichen again to Indianapolis. Indianapolis can't
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Speaker 3: get their stuff right. They keep stealing our coaches. But
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Speaker 3: and you promote Brian Johnson internally, and you have the
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Speaker 3: epic collapse at the end of the season, And so
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Speaker 3: you know, that's that's the stage for where we're at
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Speaker 3: now twenty twenty five. You're going to come off a
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl win, You're losing Kellen Moore at least it's
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Speaker 3: not to Indianapolis. Maybe that's the difference here. And so
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Speaker 3: you're looking at an internal promotion of Kevin Petulhu, and
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Speaker 3: there's some differences, like Brian Johnson had only been in
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Speaker 3: the NFL for two years and only in Philadelphia and
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Speaker 3: only as a quarterback coach when he was promoted to
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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. Mike grow had been a wide receiver coach
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Speaker 3: for three years in Chicago and then a year in
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Speaker 3: Los Angeles with the Rams, and then a year in
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Speaker 3: Philly before he got promoted. But he'd have bounced around
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Speaker 3: and not been in the league a long time. Kevin
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Speaker 3: Petulu has been in the NFL for fifteen years. He's
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Speaker 3: been with Nick Sirianni, dating back actually to twenty eighteen
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Speaker 3: in Indianapolis. So he came to Philly from Indianapolis with
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Speaker 3: Nick Siriani and so they go way back. And I've
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Speaker 3: heard some reporting that he's kind of the guy that
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Speaker 3: tells Nick Sirianni at times, like hey, you're being dumb,
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Speaker 3: like rain this thing, rain this in or whatever. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true. I'll trust the report
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Speaker 3: if that's true. Like it's good to have somebody that
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Speaker 3: has a long running relationship with Sirianni, in my opinion,
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Speaker 3: that can push back against him on and not that
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Speaker 3: you know, Nick Sirianni needs pushed back on a lot,
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Speaker 3: but it's always good to have that.
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Speaker 1: That was gonna be my question for you too, that pushback,
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Speaker 1: because I have talked on this podcast platform a decent
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Speaker 1: amount this year, and other folks have talked about as
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Speaker 1: well in the Philly sports and Eagles football media world
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Speaker 1: about how Nick Sirianni really has grown a lot over
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Speaker 1: the course of this past year. And it makes me
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Speaker 1: wonder how much he's gonna need somebody like Petullo saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: you know what, let's not do this, let's not do that,
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Speaker 1: you know, talking in his ear. I wonder how much
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Speaker 1: of Nick sirian is going to need that type of
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Speaker 1: direction now after a year of what a lot of
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Speaker 1: us see as a lot of growth in terms of
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Speaker 1: him being a head coach.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's always valuable, even you know, even
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Speaker 3: the best leaders need people that will push back on
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Speaker 3: him a little. I don't think that's a great idea.
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Speaker 3: Let's and that we'll listen. And so I mean You
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Speaker 3: even get stories this year like the offensive line going
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Speaker 3: to Nick Sirian in the bye week saying, hey, let's
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Speaker 3: run the dang football.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Not a lot of coaches, I don't think would be like,
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Speaker 3: you know what, four weeks into the season, let's change
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Speaker 3: our offense because my players want to. But he did that,
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Speaker 3: and so that take. We think of Nick Siriani as
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Speaker 3: a very like arrogant Hubrius type guy. He wears his
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Speaker 3: emotions on his sleeve. He talks trash, you know, that's
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Speaker 3: the But there's a lot of humility in listening to
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Speaker 3: those players in that way. And I think having a
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Speaker 3: guy at OC that can do that for him also,
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Speaker 3: and that he has a long running relationship with that
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Speaker 3: he'll listen to in those things, I think that's valuable.
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Speaker 3: And even in twenty twenty three, Brian Johnson offense was good. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: they were fifth and EPA per play and sixth and
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Speaker 3: success rate for the season. Now, if you want to say, well, yeah,
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Speaker 3: but they lost five of their last six games. Even
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Speaker 3: if you only look at those last six games, they
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Speaker 3: were seventh and EPA per play and third and success rate.
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Speaker 3: Teams down the stretch just won the defense cratered. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: but that's a separate conversation. We don't have to worry
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Speaker 3: about that. With Fangio two, a fatal flaw was discovered
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Speaker 3: in the offense that they could not figure out how
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Speaker 3: to fix. They could not beat cover zero blitzes. Kellen
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Speaker 3: Moore installed the solutions for that this year. So I
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Speaker 3: don't like there might be a fatal flaw that's discovered
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Speaker 3: next year, and hopefully you can troubleshoot that. But I
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Speaker 3: don't think it's going to be the same issue from
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Speaker 3: twenty five thirteen, and so I don't think the Kellen Moore,
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be a big loss
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Speaker 3: for the Eagles. I thought he was fine as a
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Speaker 3: play caller. I wondered at times if he was the
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Speaker 3: right play caller for Jalen Hurts because of some of
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Speaker 3: the stylistic things he likes to do that I don't
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Speaker 3: think are suited to Hurts. So, you know, overall, I
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Speaker 3: don't I may sound foolish next year if we fall
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Speaker 3: off the rails again, but I don't think it's going
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Speaker 3: to be that big of a deal.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either, quite frankly. But moving along with
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Speaker 1: the conversation here with regard to this offseason free agency shade.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be here right before. It's gonna be in
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Speaker 1: front of our eyes before we know. At March tenth
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Speaker 1: is when the legal tampering period begins. Eagles are going
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Speaker 1: to have a bunch of money to spend after the
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Speaker 1: NFL increase a salary cap by about twenty two million. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: they have about nineteen point five million in cap space currently,
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Speaker 1: so there are going to be some moves that they
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Speaker 1: are certainly going to make.
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Speaker 2: For sure.
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Speaker 1: First, I would love your opinion on which of the
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Speaker 1: sixteen free agents, how he Rose in the Eagles front
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Speaker 1: office really need to prioritize in terms of bringing back
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Speaker 1: to the team for the future. And I guess if
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Speaker 1: there's one player at the top of that list for
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Speaker 1: you in terms of that guy that they just need
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Speaker 1: to keep here on this team, who would that person be?
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Speaker 2: And why? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I mean it's got to be the Raven Clark.
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Speaker 2: Now, why not?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, there could be hidden potential, right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean it comes down to
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Speaker 3: there's the four main free agents, right, You've got Makai Becton,
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Speaker 3: Josh Swat, Milton Williams, and Zach Bond. Those are your
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Speaker 3: four main guys. And I like to think of guys
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Speaker 3: in terms of units, position units, and so if you
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Speaker 3: think about the offensive line, if Becton walks, it's still
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Speaker 3: a really good unit, right and you can't pay guys
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Speaker 3: at all five positions all the time. And they've got
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Speaker 3: one of the best offensive line coaches around. So Becton's
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Speaker 3: knocked off that list for me as a priority. The
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Speaker 3: defensive line is tougher because you've got two guys on
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Speaker 3: the same unit, and Josh Sweat and Milton Williams, they
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Speaker 3: played almost fifteen hundred snaps this season. If both of
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Speaker 3: these guys walk, you're trying to replace fifteen hundred snaps,
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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty pressures in seventeen and a half
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Speaker 3: sacks At the end of the day, though, Jalen Carter
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Speaker 3: is the force multiplayer there and Nolan Smith comes on
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Speaker 3: at the end of the season. Over the final seven
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Speaker 3: games he led the team in pressures, and so you
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Speaker 3: need to invest in that position. But I think both
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Speaker 3: of those guys would be buying at the high end
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Speaker 3: of their value right now. I think there is I
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Speaker 3: think Milton Williams is good, but I think he's made
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Speaker 3: to look a lot better because he doesn't get the attention.
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Speaker 3: I think Josh Sweat broke out at the right time
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Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl, and that's going to inflate his value.
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Speaker 3: And so then you get to linebacker, where your current
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Speaker 3: roster going into next year is to Kobe Dean coming
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Speaker 3: off of an injury that players typically struggle to come
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Speaker 3: back from, and Jeremiah Trotter Junior, who basically didn't play
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Speaker 3: this year on the defense. So not only was Zach
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Speaker 3: Bond the best player that the Eagles have that is
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Speaker 3: heading to free agency, but he's also the biggest positional need.
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Speaker 3: And so in my opinion, Zach Bond's the guy that
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Speaker 3: they've got to bring back. And honestly, I don't think
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Speaker 3: there's a realistic number that's too high for me. If
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Speaker 3: I was the one signing that deal, you got to
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Speaker 3: bring him back.
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Speaker 1: I think it's so incredible that that's where we're at
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Speaker 1: right now in terms of thinking about the linebacker position
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Speaker 1: and what this front office needs to do, because this
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Speaker 1: has been a team that has built itself through the trenches.
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Speaker 1: Talking about the offensive line with Mackai Beckton were talking
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Speaker 1: about Sweat.
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Speaker 2: And Milton Williams.
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Speaker 1: The trenches the defensive line have always been a priority,
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Speaker 1: but it really seems that the linebacker position, because of
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Speaker 1: what Zach Pond did this year, he should be the
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Speaker 1: top priority. It's really amazing where this team currently is
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Speaker 1: right now in terms of what it needs to prioritize.
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Speaker 1: But I'm wondering, you know who, who are your next
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Speaker 1: couple of players that you think how we should really
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Speaker 1: be focusing on bringing back for next season and even beyond.
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Speaker 1: And is there somebody you might like for how to acquire,
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Speaker 1: perhaps in a trade.
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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts? Her Shane?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if I was to then start ranking out other guys,
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Speaker 3: I would like to see Josh Sweat back. I think
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Speaker 3: he's probably priced himself out of that range with the
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl performance, because I mean to be honest, he
15:17
Speaker 3: didn't do a lot down the second half of the
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Speaker 3: season in terms of sack production. But I wouldn't want
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Speaker 3: to be tied to him long term or at a
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Speaker 3: huge number, and I assume he's gonna want that. He's
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Speaker 3: twenty seven years old, he came out of college with
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Speaker 3: the knee issues, and so this is probably his last
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Speaker 3: chance to like cash in on a big contract, but
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Speaker 3: he hits the Eagles salary cap for sixteen point four
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Speaker 3: million dollars in dead money next season if he leaves
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Speaker 3: the team, and so if you could work out a
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Speaker 3: deal that's reasonable to bring him back for another two years,
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Speaker 3: I would like to see him back because it gives
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Speaker 3: you more flexibility in this window. And then the other
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Speaker 3: guy's Mackai Beckton. I would bring him back on a
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Speaker 3: reasonable right guard deal, like you know, if he wants
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Speaker 3: to come back and sign a deal for you know,
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Speaker 3: three years, thirteen million dollars something like that, I would.
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Speaker 3: I would not pay him premier offensive guard money. I
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Speaker 3: don't think he is a premier offensive guard. I think
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Speaker 3: he was. I think Eagles fans overvalue him. I think
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Speaker 3: he was kind of an average offensive guard who had
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Speaker 3: a few I mean, he was a good run blocker,
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Speaker 3: and he had some splash plays that went viral. I
16:23
Speaker 3: might have tweeted some of them and they're fun. But
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Speaker 3: as a pass blocker, he had some struggles. Somebody maybe
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Speaker 3: pays him offensive tackle money. I don't know, but I
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Speaker 3: would bring him back if it was on some reasonable
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Speaker 3: deal too.
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Speaker 2: All right, Very good again, folks.
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Speaker 1: We were talking to Shane Half from the eagles Pin
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Speaker 1: Poll Network on the Shane Page Fantastic Podcast. They're doing
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Speaker 1: great stuff over at the eagles Pin Poll Network. I
16:48
Speaker 1: know you're on social buddy. I know a lot of
16:50
Speaker 1: us have kind of pulled back from Twitter here and there,
16:52
Speaker 1: still on the platform and stuff, but tell everybody where
16:55
Speaker 1: they can find you on social media if they want to.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm on Twitter at Shanehafl. I also cross
17:03
Speaker 3: post things on blue Sky. The Blue Sky handles are weird,
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Speaker 3: but it's the same handle with whatever the dot blue
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Speaker 3: sky dot social is at the end. Yeah, Twitter is
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Speaker 3: where I'm at. I actually like never log into blue Sky.
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Speaker 3: I just cross post from a social media manager. So
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Speaker 3: if you reply to me on blue Sky, I'm not
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Speaker 3: going to see it. Thank you for liking getting it
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Speaker 3: out there. But the discord of our patreons the best
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Speaker 3: place to interact with me, and then I will interact
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Speaker 3: on Twitter as well as I kind of have time,
17:31
Speaker 3: but it's on Blue Sky for those that want to
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Speaker 3: follow things there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
17:35
Speaker 1: Well again, fantastic content over at the eagles Pin Pool
17:39
Speaker 1: Network and of course on the Shane Page podcast too.
17:43
Speaker 1: Move along here, buddy. I do wonder what the cornerback
17:45
Speaker 1: position is going to look like next year, What Howie
17:48
Speaker 1: Roseman and company are going to be doing during this offseason.
17:52
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, Quinnon Mitchell, he's going to be
17:54
Speaker 1: on the outside. But if the Eagles and Darius Slay
17:57
Speaker 1: can't come to an agreement, he may be heading to Detroit,
18:00
Speaker 1: as he's mentioned that he may like to go back
18:02
Speaker 1: to if things don't work out with Philly, or perhaps
18:04
Speaker 1: somewhere else.
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Speaker 2: Who knows what happens with Slay.
18:07
Speaker 1: What do you think happens with the outside corner, the
18:10
Speaker 1: other outside corner of this position here in unit if
18:13
Speaker 1: Darius Slay leaves Philly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if if Slay leaves under no circumstances, should Cooper
18:21
Speaker 3: to Gene leave the slot exactly? That's the first point,
18:24
Speaker 3: Cooper to Jane should stay in the slot. He's a
18:26
Speaker 3: fundamental part of how they build their defense. So that aside,
18:30
Speaker 3: if they keep Slay, they're committing to pay him an
18:33
Speaker 3: additional sixteen million dollars versus letting him go, and not
18:37
Speaker 3: to get too far down the salary cap rabbit hole,
18:39
Speaker 3: because to be honest, I would need to put spreadsheets
18:42
Speaker 3: on the screen so people can follow along, and then
18:45
Speaker 3: it's an audio platform, so only you and I could
18:47
Speaker 3: see exactly dead cap has spread over one or two years,
18:50
Speaker 3: depending on when and how a player's cut, And so
18:52
Speaker 3: the primary cost of that is down the road. And
18:55
Speaker 3: so Darius Slay costs thirteen point eight million and twenty
18:58
Speaker 3: twenty five if they keep him. He costs nine and
19:01
Speaker 3: a half million if they cut him, and so that's
19:04
Speaker 3: not a big difference. And so but it's not as
19:06
Speaker 3: simple as is he worth an extra four million dollars,
19:09
Speaker 3: because the difference is the dead cap left after that,
19:12
Speaker 3: which is another eleven million dollar difference. If they can
19:17
Speaker 3: work something out with Sleigh maybe to lower that that
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Speaker 3: salary a little bit, I'd love to have him back.
19:22
Speaker 3: I think Slay is very good. I am very concerned
19:24
Speaker 3: about the injuries mounting for an older player, and we
19:27
Speaker 3: saw he I thought he played at a really high
19:29
Speaker 3: level this year, but he got banged up a lot,
19:31
Speaker 3: and he's going to be a year older. So I
19:33
Speaker 3: expect them to either keep Darius Slay or keep Isaiah Rodgers,
19:38
Speaker 3: but not both. Isaiah Rodgers is going to want to
19:40
Speaker 3: go somewhere else and start. If he can't start in Philly,
19:44
Speaker 3: if they get rid of Sleigh, I think they could
19:45
Speaker 3: bring him back cheaper than Slay would be. I also
19:48
Speaker 3: still really like Kighley Ringo, and you know, he's a
19:51
Speaker 3: guy I had a first round great on a couple
19:53
Speaker 3: of drafts ago, and if he had, you know, in
19:55
Speaker 3: a worst case scenario, if you lost both of those
19:57
Speaker 3: guys and Keiley Ringo has to step into start, I
19:59
Speaker 3: think you'll be okay. Still, So I'm not concerned about
20:03
Speaker 3: cornerback as long as you leave Cooper to Gene in
20:05
Speaker 3: the slot.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, all right. Well, another aspect of this defense that
20:10
Speaker 1: a lot of us are wondering about and what may
20:12
Speaker 1: happen with this particular player during this offseason is a
20:16
Speaker 1: gentleman named Bryce Huff. Bryce Huff and his sizeable contract
20:21
Speaker 1: that he signed last offseason only two and a half
20:24
Speaker 1: sacks this year, wasn't effective on the field really at all.
20:28
Speaker 1: He wasn't even active in the Super Bowl. Shane, how
20:31
Speaker 1: do you see the front office and or you know,
20:34
Speaker 1: defensive coaching staff really dealing with Bryce Huff his contract,
20:38
Speaker 1: the type of player he is, the fact that he
20:39
Speaker 1: didn't do much during his first season, in Philadelphia. How
20:42
Speaker 1: does this all manifest itself? Do you think during the
20:45
Speaker 1: course of this offseason?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if the Eagles could find a trade partner for
20:50
Speaker 3: Bryce Huff after June first, he would cost them three
20:55
Speaker 3: point two million dollars in twenty twenty five and nine
20:57
Speaker 3: point seven million in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: That might be worth it. That might be worth it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it would be now that Key is finding
21:06
Speaker 3: that trade partner. And obviously you know there's precedent of
21:09
Speaker 3: salary dumps, like the brock Osweiler trade years ago. If
21:14
Speaker 3: they keep Huff for another year and then they release him,
21:18
Speaker 3: he would cost seven and a half million, and then
21:20
Speaker 3: six point three and fifteen point It's so basically the
21:22
Speaker 3: difference is sixteen point seven million dollars. I would see
21:26
Speaker 3: if somebody would take Bryce Huff and a fourth round
21:28
Speaker 3: pick for a conditional seventh if he has like ten
21:31
Speaker 3: sacks or something. To me, that sixteen point seven million
21:35
Speaker 3: dollars in cap difference is important down the road. It's
21:39
Speaker 3: more important than a fourth round pick. I don't think
21:42
Speaker 3: Huff is worth keeping around now. I don't think Huff
21:46
Speaker 3: is worthless. There were clearly good signs when he was
21:50
Speaker 3: with the Jets, but I always question the fit with
21:54
Speaker 3: fangio scheme, and Fangio gets out on players and it's
21:58
Speaker 3: usually for a reason. But if he's out on you,
22:00
Speaker 3: he's not going to play you, no matter how much
22:02
Speaker 3: money you're making. And we saw that him being inactive
22:04
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl. Yeah, I find it hard to
22:06
Speaker 3: believe that that's going to change from last year to
22:09
Speaker 3: this coming year in terms of his run defense and
22:12
Speaker 3: some things. So if I could get it, if I
22:14
Speaker 3: could get rid of him and it only cost me
22:15
Speaker 3: a fourth round pick, I'd do that in a heartbeat.
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Speaker 1: All Right, Well, buddy, it was great talking to you,
22:20
Speaker 1: but I do have to ask you before I let
22:23
Speaker 1: you head out about the NFL Draft, because, aside from
22:26
Speaker 1: free agency, the draft is also on a lot of
22:29
Speaker 1: our minds. It's that time of year that so many
22:32
Speaker 1: of us football fans love. I mean, the Eagles currently
22:35
Speaker 1: have seven picks heading into this draft, if I'm not mistaken,
22:39
Speaker 1: first round pick, second round pick, third round pick, fourth
22:41
Speaker 1: round pick, and then I think they have three fifth
22:43
Speaker 1: round picks if I'm not mistaken. I'm wondering how this
22:47
Speaker 1: draft is going to look for the Eagles when it's
22:49
Speaker 1: all said and done, you know what the overall theme
22:52
Speaker 1: of this draft is going to be for this team
22:54
Speaker 1: in this front office. I mean, perhaps they're looking to
22:57
Speaker 1: continue to build in the trenches. Perhaps a change of
22:59
Speaker 1: pay running back since this draft is full of talented
23:03
Speaker 1: running backs and you know who knows can he gain well?
23:05
Speaker 1: Probably moving on maybe a cornerback that could flourish in
23:09
Speaker 1: Vic Fangio's scheme at some point down the road. What
23:12
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the NFL draft in terms of
23:14
Speaker 1: the Eagles and what the overall theme of this draft
23:18
Speaker 1: may end up being for this team and organization.
23:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, BPA is the best approach, and the Eagles tend
23:25
Speaker 3: to do that with an emphasis on the trenches. In
23:28
Speaker 3: the last four years, the Eagles have made thirteen selections
23:32
Speaker 3: with top one hundred picks, and eight of them have
23:34
Speaker 3: been lineman, five on the defensive side, three on the
23:37
Speaker 3: offensive side. Now, I'm very anti Lane Johnson replacement in
23:43
Speaker 3: the first round.
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Speaker 2: Same here and yes for the same.
23:48
Speaker 3: So the problem is what people will inevitably talk themselves
23:51
Speaker 3: into is let's take a right tackle that we can
23:54
Speaker 3: kick in to right guard until Lane Johnson retires. Here's
23:57
Speaker 3: the problem, and we saw it with Lennon Dickerson and
24:00
Speaker 3: who was taken to play left guard until Jason Kelsey retired. Yeah,
24:04
Speaker 3: he's either going to excel at right guard and then
24:07
Speaker 3: you won't move him because why would you. And so
24:09
Speaker 3: you spin a first round pick on a right guard,
24:12
Speaker 3: or he won't be very good at it, and then
24:14
Speaker 3: you're seriously going to question whether he'll be good when
24:16
Speaker 3: he kicks out to right tackle. So I'm not opposed
24:20
Speaker 3: to drafting a right guard, just don't do it in
24:22
Speaker 3: the first round. So I'm anti that. I think in
24:24
Speaker 3: an ideal world, you would get a pass rushing defensive
24:28
Speaker 3: tackle to reap the benefits of all the pressure that
24:31
Speaker 3: Jalen Carter or all the attention Jalen Carter is going
24:34
Speaker 3: to attract. And it is a deep class there, so
24:37
Speaker 3: there's a lot of defensive tackles that can make sense
24:40
Speaker 3: assuming Josh sweat walks, and especially if you were to
24:43
Speaker 3: offload Bryce Huff, you want to get an edge rusher
24:45
Speaker 3: fairly early as well. Safety is an underrated need. Read
24:49
Speaker 3: Blanken Chips headed into the final year of his deal.
24:52
Speaker 3: There's an out on Chauncey Gardner Johnson's contract after this season.
24:56
Speaker 3: With minimal dead cap, and you know the bit of
25:00
Speaker 3: time we had to see Tristan McCollum and Sydney Brown,
25:02
Speaker 3: they didn't expire confidence. I think it was like the
25:05
Speaker 3: second play they were on the field they gave up
25:07
Speaker 3: the long touchdown in.
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Speaker 2: The Super Bowl.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so safety could be an underrated thing for the future.
25:12
Speaker 3: And then I'm pretty much always pro drafting a day
25:16
Speaker 3: three running back, So late day two, day three running back,
25:19
Speaker 3: especially if Kenny Gainwell's gone to add into that offensive backfield.
25:24
Speaker 3: That's kind of the direction I see the Eagles trending
25:26
Speaker 3: in the draft.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's been a great conversation, folks, and again, head
25:31
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25:47
Speaker 1: it was great talking to you about this Eagles off season,
25:50
Speaker 1: and I'd love to talk to you more at some
25:51
Speaker 1: point down the road about where this team's gonna go.
25:53
Speaker 3: My friend, Absolutely, you send the email and I'll be here.
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