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Sharri | 31 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Dankiti Giorgio
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Speaker 2: filling in for Shari. Coming up on the show tonight,
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's Question Time Theater show continues his all performance
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Speaker 2: but no substance on energy policy.
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Speaker 3: Here's a shocker.
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Speaker 2: Victorian parents are being told to throw away their kids
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Speaker 2: machetes in special bins. I'll catch up with the Shadow
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Speaker 2: Police Minister David Southwick. Liberal MP Julian Lisa will join
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Speaker 2: me as Labor inches closer to recognizing a Palestinian state,
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Speaker 2: and a fitting farewell for the Prince of Darkness Ozzie
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Speaker 2: Osborne will go live to London for the latest but
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Speaker 2: first tonight. Winston Churchill once said, and a pisa is
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Speaker 2: one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him
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Speaker 2: last and do That quote resonates more now than ever
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Speaker 2: as the West bows down to Hamas at its own peril,
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Speaker 2: especially at a time when Israel is not fighting for
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Speaker 2: its own survival but for that of the West against terror.
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Speaker 2: So with that, marking your calendar, September's meeting of the
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Speaker 2: United Nations General Assembly as it's gearing up to be
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Speaker 2: the day Australia joins in to follow the leader and
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Speaker 2: appease the terror group on the world stage in recognizing
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Speaker 2: a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 4: From a personal point of view, I welcome this momentum,
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Speaker 4: this progress that's been made in the international community. From
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Speaker 4: an Australian point of view, recognition of the state of
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Speaker 4: Palestine is a matter of when, not if well.
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Speaker 2: This is just a sad and disappointing moment for Australia
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Speaker 2: when those elected to represent us fold so swiftly, all
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Speaker 2: but guaranteeing the anti Semitic attacks continue and Australian Jews
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Speaker 2: continue to live in fear and for what to jump
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Speaker 2: on the bandwagon and reward her muss follow the leader
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Speaker 2: or perhaps feed the crocodile. Now, of course, it all
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Speaker 2: started with France, after President Emmanuel Macron said his vision
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Speaker 2: is for Israel and Palestine to live side by side
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Speaker 2: in peace, even though Hamas does not want peace.
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Speaker 3: The UK then bound to do the same.
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Speaker 5: I can confirm the UK will recognize the State of
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Speaker 5: Palestine by the United Nations General Assembly in September unless
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Speaker 5: the Israeli government takes substantive steps to end the appalling situation.
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Speaker 5: In Gaza, agree to a cease fire and commit to
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Speaker 5: a long term sustainable peace, reviving the prospect of a
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Speaker 5: two state solution.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is just complete bogus nonsense.
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Speaker 2: There is a cease fire deal on the table put
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Speaker 2: forward by Israel and the US, but it was rejected
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Speaker 2: by Hamas and then overnight Canada too joined in.
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Speaker 6: Canada intends to recognize the state of Palestine.
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Speaker 7: At the eightiesth session of the Netians General Assembly in
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Speaker 7: September twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: Five, Canadian Prime Minister Mark Karney went on to say
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Speaker 2: that the prospects of a two state solution have been
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Speaker 2: steadily and gravely eroded. Really you think and by whom, Well,
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Speaker 2: it's not Israel. The prospect of peace has been eroded
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Speaker 2: by the terror group running the Gaza strip and who
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Speaker 2: started this war on October seven. And now of course
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Speaker 2: Australia is mulling its options. This capitulation by the West
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Speaker 2: gives Anthony Albernisi a white birth.
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Speaker 3: In fact, it's worked perfectly for him.
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Speaker 2: A backdrop of the United Nations, a majority of UN
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Speaker 2: members in favor of recognizing Palestine one hundred and forty
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Speaker 2: seven do recognize just forty six don't.
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Speaker 3: And our allies are now backing it in.
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Speaker 2: So it's really an easy opportunity and Labor and Peas
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Speaker 2: are lining up file.
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Speaker 4: Members of the Labor Party have been pushing for recognition
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Speaker 4: of a Palestinian state goodness for many, many years. Now,
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Speaker 4: do you see that that could happen relatively soon?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a question of when not if.
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Speaker 8: We're now saying that the recognition of a Palestinian state
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Speaker 8: doesn't have to come at the end of a peace process,
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Speaker 8: that a Palestinian state can be recognized on some conditions.
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Speaker 7: What matters is not so much a time frame for recognition,
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Speaker 7: it's the circumstances on when that recognition would advance the
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Speaker 7: prospects towards a two state solution.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this capitulation is all under the guise of must
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Speaker 2: must release the hostages, Harmus has to agree to peace,
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Speaker 2: there has to be a two state solution.
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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.
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Speaker 2: And what they all seem to forget is that they
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Speaker 2: are dealing with Jihadis.
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Speaker 3: Who don't want peace.
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Speaker 2: They don't want a two state solution, they want their
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Speaker 2: own state. And don't forget ha Musk was voted in
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Speaker 2: and the eradication of israel Is in its charter. And
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Speaker 2: so the opposition is rightly today asking questions.
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Speaker 6: You don't always have to fallo suit.
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Speaker 3: It's not always necessary to follow suit, my mother.
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Speaker 9: I see, if somebody puts the head in the ovenu,
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Speaker 9: you don't have to go and do it as well.
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Speaker 10: And we should not be rewarding Palaestine.
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Speaker 3: Hamas is still run by a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 1: Let's be brutally honest.
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Speaker 4: What do you think of Australia's position.
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Speaker 9: Well, let's not prematurely reward Hamas.
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Speaker 7: Did those countries have done that?
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Speaker 1: They prematurely, Absolutely, they have.
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Speaker 11: I really think the Australian government's position here is incoherent
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Speaker 11: and inconsistent, and it is driven, let's be clear, by
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Speaker 11: domestic political considerations.
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Speaker 2: And for all this talk of Palestinian statehood, it may
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Speaker 2: even just be breaking the law. Some of Britain's most
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Speaker 2: prominent lawyers have warned Keio Starma that his pledge would
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Speaker 2: not meet the criteria for recognition as set out under
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Speaker 2: the Montevideo Convention.
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Speaker 3: The nineteen thirty.
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Speaker 2: Three treaty laid out the four key criteria for statehood
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Speaker 2: in international law. A state must possess a permanent population,
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Speaker 2: a defined territory, a government, and the capacity to enter
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Speaker 2: into relates with other states. The forty members of the
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Speaker 2: House of Lords also raise concerns that there is no
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Speaker 2: certainty over the borders of a proposed Palestinian state and
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Speaker 2: that the government would face difficulty continuing to recognize millions
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Speaker 2: of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza as refugees,
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Speaker 2: given recognition of statehood would mean they were in their
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Speaker 2: own territory. So news flash, Palestine meets none of these
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Speaker 2: criteria under international law. The lawyers also argue that there
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Speaker 2: is no functioning single government right now and it has
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Speaker 2: no capacity to enter into diplomatic relations.
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Speaker 3: So newsflash again.
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Speaker 2: Hamas, which governs the Gaza Strip, is a proscribed terrorist group.
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Speaker 3: In the UK.
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Speaker 2: Dear, oh, dear, So look, let me summarize this for you.
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Speaker 2: The French president wants to recognize Palestine because he wants
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Speaker 2: to see Israel and Palestine live side by citing peace,
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Speaker 2: even though Hamasts not want peace.
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Speaker 3: The UKPM wants.
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Speaker 2: To recognize Palestine because it wants Israel to commit to
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Speaker 2: a two state solution, even though Jumas does not want
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Speaker 2: to commit to a two state solution. The Canadian Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister wants to recognize Palestine because a two state solution
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Speaker 2: has been eroded. Even though it's been eroded by Hamas,
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Speaker 2: Australia looks set to recognize Palestine just because well, actually,
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Speaker 2: who knows why.
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Speaker 3: It hasn't said why, it's just said.
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Speaker 2: It's a matter of if, not when and for all
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Speaker 2: this chat of Palestinian statehood it could be in breach
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Speaker 2: of international law. But never mind, let's give Jumas, the
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Speaker 2: same terror group who murdered twelve hundred Jews, raped and
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Speaker 2: tortured women, and took two hundred and fifty Jews hostage
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Speaker 2: recognition on the world stage. Hamas is the puppet master,
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Speaker 2: and Western democracies are the marionettes.
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Speaker 3: And a pisa who feeds the crocodile.
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Speaker 2: Now, look, we spoke last night about Chris Bowen's bizarre,
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Speaker 2: unhinged and sudden theatrical performances in Question Time, treating our
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Speaker 2: energy future like a big comedy skit.
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Speaker 3: And here's a reminder of that.
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Speaker 12: Now, this is not his Tinder profile, this is his
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Speaker 12: dream ticket.
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Speaker 3: This is his dream ticket.
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Speaker 10: He's not looking to swipe right, He's looking to swipe
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Speaker 10: out the member for Barnoam is his bigger.
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Speaker 9: Two l ANDP senators voted for it, two LMP senators
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Speaker 9: voted against it, and twenty two LMP senators were outside
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Speaker 9: playing candy crush.
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Speaker 12: They didn't want anything to do with it.
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Speaker 6: This is vega.
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Speaker 9: I mean, that's what you want a bit of moral
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Speaker 9: clarity of how the biggest who's placing our country. I
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Speaker 9: congratulate the opposition too for.
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Speaker 12: Their temerity on asking about energy matters this week.
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Speaker 2: Look, is he trying out a new content to go
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Speaker 2: on a nationwide comedy tour.
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Speaker 3: Can he take his tour to.
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Speaker 2: The regions, perhaps to speak to farmers about the wind
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Speaker 2: farms and transmission towers carving up their land while he's
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Speaker 2: at it, Or perhaps take the tour to your houses
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Speaker 2: at home as you go and pay your rapidly increasing
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Speaker 2: power bills. I mean not that you would want the
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Speaker 2: minister anywhere near your house. He'd come armed with battering
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Speaker 2: solar panels and.
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Speaker 3: An electric vehicle.
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Speaker 2: But again he's just treating our energy future with such contempt.
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Speaker 2: And today, after more strong questioning by the Opposition, the
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Speaker 2: Minister for Climate Change and Energy went from a comedy
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Speaker 2: skit audition to a track and field race audition.
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Speaker 13: Minister, what is the average monthly household power bill today
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Speaker 13: and what was it when Labor took office three years ago?
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Speaker 1: I thank the Honorable Leader of the Opposition for the question.
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Speaker 3: It varies from state to state.
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Speaker 10: In New South Wales, the average hosshile price today is
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Speaker 10: one hundred and twenty seven dollars seventy two cents. The
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Speaker 10: average election was three hundred and twenty dollars forty eight cents.
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Speaker 10: In Queensland and the average today is one hundred and
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Speaker 10: seven dollars and thirty nine cents. The average at Queensland was.
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Speaker 12: Three average on election day was three hundred and forty
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Speaker 12: seven dollars and twenty eight cents.
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Speaker 1: It's out Australia.
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Speaker 12: The average today is one hundred and eighty five dollars
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Speaker 12: and twenty seven cents. The average on election the day
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Speaker 12: was three hundred and twelve dollars and thirty.
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Speaker 13: Six Despite the rapid fire delivery from the Minister, it
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Speaker 13: is clear that he is giving wholesale crisis, not household prices.
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Speaker 13: The question was about retail crisis and he does know
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Speaker 13: the difference.
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Speaker 9: Order Australians have looked and will continue to look to
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Speaker 9: the government to do more to assist on household energy bills.
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Speaker 2: I mean he could not answer quick enough, could he
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Speaker 2: rapid fire, as Susan Lee said, And one can only
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Speaker 2: assume it's because he does not want to answer, because
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Speaker 2: he promised our bills would go down by two hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventy five dollars. Instead they have risen by around
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Speaker 2: one thousand dollars and rose again on July one by
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Speaker 2: ten percent.
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Speaker 3: But here was the real zinger.
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Speaker 14: Will the Minister confirm that the government will meet its
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Speaker 14: renewable energy target of eighty two percent by twenty thirty.
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Speaker 9: I can absolutely confirm it is government's intention to continue to.
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Speaker 12: Work yours a target in twenty thirty.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And there it is keywords intention, not a confirmation
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Speaker 2: and intention a hope, a women a prayer, just like
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Speaker 2: the renewables only fantasy.
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Speaker 3: But we already knew this, didn't we.
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Speaker 2: I mean the warnings have been there from business, from
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Speaker 2: a Emo, even just yesterday from Ross Gno, a long
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Speaker 2: term advisor to the Labor government and a backer of
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Speaker 2: renewable energy. He said Australia is on a trajectory to
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Speaker 2: miss its renewable targets. Because of low investment and output
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Speaker 2: in grid scale solar and wind, not by a little
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Speaker 2: but by a big margin.
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Speaker 3: All the while our bills keep rising and.
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Speaker 2: We keep going broken backwards under the Minister for Theater Performances.
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Speaker 3: Joby.
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Speaker 2: Now is the panel this evening, National Senator Matt Canavan
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Speaker 2: and research fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs, Saxon Davidson.
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Speaker 2: Good to have you both on. Thank you for joining me. Firstly,
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Speaker 2: I just want to get both of your reactions to
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen. Matt, he can't even give a guarantee that
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Speaker 2: we will reach our energy targets.
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Speaker 3: What does that tell you.
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Speaker 15: Well, it tells me they're going to miss that target,
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Speaker 15: just like they missed their price target, Danica. The more
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Speaker 15: important target, I think for most austrains is a cost
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Speaker 15: of living target, a reduction in their power bills target.
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Speaker 15: And in the last term the labor puddy promised to
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Speaker 15: reduce those bills to you by children seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 15: They don't repeat that anymore. They go scrubbed the number
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Speaker 15: two and seventy five from their blocaboy for Cablary. You'll
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Speaker 15: never get them to hear them say that again, and
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Speaker 15: they've just walked away from that and they're probably going
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Speaker 15: to miss this eighty two percent target in twenty thirty.
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Speaker 15: I mean, why are we even bothering pursuing that. I mean,
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Speaker 15: who cares about that? How's that going to make anyone
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Speaker 15: in this country's life better if we have more Chinese
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Speaker 15: made solar panels or wind turbines installed. What will make
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Speaker 15: people's life better is if their power bills go down.
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Speaker 15: Any jokes, as Chris Bowen wants to try to tell
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Speaker 15: this week in Parliament to the power bills of Australians
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Speaker 15: right now are no laughing matter. I don't think anybody
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Speaker 15: who opens the bills and breaks out and fits of laughter.
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Speaker 15: They keep going up and up and up, and they
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Speaker 15: keep going up, seemingly the more renewable energy we install.
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Speaker 15: So since we started mandating renewable energy targets, we mandated
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Speaker 15: the first of those back in two thousand and one,
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Speaker 15: electricity bills, electricity prices, i should say in this country
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Speaker 15: have gone up two hundred and forty eight percent. They've
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Speaker 15: more than tripled since that time. And so you'd think
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Speaker 15: we'd learn a lesson over the past couple of decades
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Speaker 15: that just simply mandating more and more renewable energy doesn't
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Speaker 15: lower people's power bills. But the government here seems to
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Speaker 15: be wanting to continue to persist with a strategy that's
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Speaker 15: failed time and time again, and no wonder, power bills
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Speaker 15: keep going up and up and up.
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Speaker 2: It keeps persisting with this experiment. And you're right, our
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Speaker 2: bills are going in the other direction, even though we
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Speaker 2: were told under the renewables fantasy that they would actually.
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Speaker 3: Go down and saxon, you know, as match just alluded to.
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Speaker 2: The reality is labor cannot run from the fact it
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Speaker 2: promised to lower power bills, and the Minister cannot keep
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Speaker 2: running from it either.
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Speaker 16: I've never seen somebody be in the first stage of
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Speaker 16: grief for so long. Just denying that he's failed energy
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Speaker 16: policies has let down Australians for three years straight. The
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Speaker 16: policy of nets zero, as Matthew was alluding to, is
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Speaker 16: just driving prices up and in the middle of a
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Speaker 16: cost of living crisis, Australians are suffering hard under this
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Speaker 16: net zero policy, under this renewables only push, and Chris
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Speaker 16: Bowen cannot simply just keep on running away from the
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Speaker 16: fact that renewables are driving our power bills and is
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Speaker 16: driving up the costs of living and is making our
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Speaker 16: energy grid less affordable and less reliable, which is really
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Speaker 16: what the priority of all energy policies should be, to
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Speaker 16: make our grid more secure and to keep people's power
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Speaker 16: bills down.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, no plan B for the future, just running off
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Speaker 2: this experiment now. Look, there are concerns of an economic
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Speaker 2: death spiral after Queensland's Mount Isa copper mind closed for
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Speaker 2: good this week, marking the end of more than sixty
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Speaker 2: years of operations. Regional leaders say about seventeen thousand direct
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Speaker 2: and indirect jobs will be lost without an immediate government
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Speaker 2: bailout of glen Core to save the smelter and refinery. Matt,
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Speaker 2: this is all happening in your state. Tell us how
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Speaker 2: critical this mind was to the area and what happens next.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, the mind.
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Speaker 15: We've known the mind would shut for some time now,
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Speaker 15: it's just come to the end of its life. That's
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Speaker 15: a terrible impact for those people have lost their jobs
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Speaker 15: in that mind. I mean the silver lining here. There
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Speaker 15: are seventeen other mines that currently feed the copper smelter.
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Speaker 15: There's plenty of copper around this area. It's one of
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Speaker 15: the richest mineral areas in the world, the Northwest Minerals Province,
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Speaker 15: So there's no reason potentially that we wouldn't we would
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Speaker 15: lose copper mining, copper smelting and topper refining from North Queensland.
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Speaker 15: Providing with we've got a sensible set of energy policies,
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Speaker 15: it sustains that type of manufacturing. So there's a slightly
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Speaker 15: separate issue to the mind shutting down is that the
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Speaker 15: smelter at the moment is effectively losing money, losing lots
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Speaker 15: of money every year. That is because energy prices in
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Speaker 15: this country are through the roof and making copper takes
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Speaker 15: a lot of energy. It's also because China is massively
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Speaker 15: expanding smelting capacity around the world and seeking to try
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Speaker 15: and bankrupt other smelters so they can monopolize such an
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Speaker 15: important mineral. So this would have a devastating impact on
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Speaker 15: North Queensland. Some estimates reckon that unemployment in Townsville could
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Speaker 15: go to eighteen percent if the refinery and smelter shut.
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Speaker 15: It's got such a big implication, but it's also so
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Speaker 15: important for our country because every joint strike fighter, for example,
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Speaker 15: has five hundred and seventeen kilograms of copper in it.
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Speaker 15: If we can't make this stuff, we can't defend our nation.
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Speaker 3: No good point.
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Speaker 2: You know we hear from Labor all the time the
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Speaker 2: importance have made in Australia. That's the big motto. But
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Speaker 2: as you said, Matt, you know we really need this saxon.
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Speaker 2: Do you think there needs to be some sort of
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Speaker 2: bailout agreement?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 16: Maybe If the government was serious about having a future
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Speaker 16: Made in Australia, though, we wouldn't be reaching the need
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Speaker 16: to bail our companies. As Matthew said, the reason that
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Speaker 16: this copper smelter is going broke is because energy prices
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Speaker 16: keep on going up. And that's because of the simple
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Speaker 16: fact is that you cannot have a future Made in
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Speaker 16: Australia while pursuing a renewables only focus in an energy grid. Otherwise,
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Speaker 16: if we continue down this net zero path, the future
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Speaker 16: Made in Australia policy is more of a slogan than
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Speaker 16: it is actually a proper policy. Proper policy from the
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Speaker 16: Labor Party. We probably do need to bail them out
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Speaker 16: simply because our seventeen thousand jobs is huge for a
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Speaker 16: regional communities such as Mount iSER and Northern Queensland. But
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Speaker 16: also because this is vital for our national security and
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Speaker 16: also for making sure that we have rare minerals and
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Speaker 16: critical minerals for our future.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, wrong, absolutely. Now, look, I want to draw
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Speaker 2: your attention to the news this evening about how spies
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Speaker 2: are costing our economy twelve point five billion dollars. This
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Speaker 2: was our spy chief Mike Burgers speaking a little earlier
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Speaker 2: this evening.
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Speaker 17: Have I listened to this asier has detected and disrupted
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Speaker 17: counselors examples of all these things twenty four major espionage
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Speaker 17: and foreign interference disruptions in the last three years alone,
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Speaker 17: more than the previous eight years combined.
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Speaker 2: Matt He also went on to say that foreign agents
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Speaker 2: are hunting ORCAS secrets in particular.
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Speaker 3: How concerned should we be.
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Speaker 15: Well, it's not surprising that there is greater attempts to
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Speaker 15: seek this kind of intelligence. Such attempts would, of course
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Speaker 15: be correlated with the increasing tensions we are witnessing in
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Speaker 15: our region. That's something we can see and is transparent.
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Speaker 15: And so because tensions are right, because countries are responding
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Speaker 15: by joining agreements like ORCUS, that is also going to
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Speaker 15: lead to a lot more of this activity, which is
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Speaker 15: more hidden and not potentially seen. So none of this
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Speaker 15: is surprising, but it all is confirmation of how important
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Speaker 15: it is for us to have robust intelligence services that
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Speaker 15: counter this kind of espionage. It's obviously a warning to
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Speaker 15: all of people like myself and in this building to
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Speaker 15: be very careful and keep in mind that what does
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Speaker 15: seem a little bit, a little bit a scance at
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Speaker 15: the moment is how close the government is becoming to China.
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Speaker 15: Yet the government at the same time tells all of
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Speaker 15: us in this building we can't have Chinese apps on
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Speaker 15: our phone. That a minister in this government apparently has
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Speaker 15: our Chinese electric vehicle and he's been told he can't
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Speaker 15: plug in his phone to that vehicle, and so on
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Speaker 15: the one hand, the government is saying, oh, it's great
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Speaker 15: to be really good friends with China and telling its
20:03
Speaker 15: own employees you can't trust them. Those two things don't
20:06
Speaker 15: really match out, no they.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it makes absolutely no sense, does it, Saxon?
20:11
Speaker 3: What's your view on this?
20:12
Speaker 2: Mike Burgers also said that the main I guess critics
20:16
Speaker 2: and all this is China, Russia and Iran. I think
20:20
Speaker 2: we could all expect that they are the three main ones.
20:23
Speaker 2: But you know, just to my question, like I asked Matt,
20:25
Speaker 2: how concerned should we be.
20:28
Speaker 3: We should be very concerned.
20:30
Speaker 16: And it just stresses the need that we need to
20:32
Speaker 16: take our national security and our defense far more seriously
20:35
Speaker 16: than we currently have. And we also need to strengthen
20:39
Speaker 16: our ties with our most important security partner, that being
20:42
Speaker 16: the United States, particularly when they're conducting review into Orcust
20:46
Speaker 16: right now. We need to be taking our defense far
20:49
Speaker 16: more seriously. We need to be investing a lot more
20:51
Speaker 16: into our national security and a lot more into our defense,
20:54
Speaker 16: especially now that we know that it costs our economy
20:56
Speaker 16: twelve point five billion dollars a couple of financial years ago.
21:00
Speaker 16: And we need to be far more careful about how
21:03
Speaker 16: we are interacting with the Chinese, the Russians, and other adversaries.
21:10
Speaker 16: Obviously that obviously having just having a trade relationship with
21:15
Speaker 16: China isn't enough to keep our national security intact. And
21:19
Speaker 16: I don't think it matters how many troops the Prime
21:21
Speaker 16: Minister makes to China. They're obviously going to be after
21:24
Speaker 16: our national security secrets and our defense secrets.
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Speaker 3: We need to be taking this a lot more seriously.
21:29
Speaker 16: We need to be taking the route that the US
21:32
Speaker 16: and NATO have recently increasing our funding into defense and
21:35
Speaker 16: national security, far more than the MEAGA two percent of
21:37
Speaker 16: GDP that we currently have.
21:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're clearly sniffing around. They want to know about UCUS.
21:42
Speaker 2: It's certainly a worry.
21:43
Speaker 3: Now. Look, the coalition's move to launch an.
21:45
Speaker 2: Inquiry into Labour's reversal of the ban on US beef
21:48
Speaker 2: imports has been denied in the Senate.
21:50
Speaker 3: Matt, you move this motion. What is the Setate so
21:53
Speaker 3: scared of?
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Speaker 15: Well, what are the Greens so scared of? In particular
21:58
Speaker 15: the Greens this four might have effectively blocked all scrutiny
22:01
Speaker 15: of the government. They've done some deal apparently by the
22:05
Speaker 15: look of it with the Labor Party here, and it's
22:08
Speaker 15: very sad for our country because the Senate should be
22:10
Speaker 15: a house to review, it should be a place where
22:12
Speaker 15: there's a scrutiny. There's a level of real scrutiny over
22:15
Speaker 15: governed actions. There's a very significant government action to allow
22:19
Speaker 15: not just US b Let's be clear here, this decision
22:22
Speaker 15: allows be a cattle born in Mexico to come through
22:27
Speaker 15: through process beef into Australia. And the concern I have
22:31
Speaker 15: with that is that Mexico itself imports cattle from countries
22:34
Speaker 15: like Guatemala, but Nicaragua and Belize where the status of
22:39
Speaker 15: mal goal disease is not rated as negligible, and that
22:43
Speaker 15: would be devastating if that disease got here. So is
22:45
Speaker 15: that potential for cattle to come from those Central American
22:48
Speaker 15: countries through here?
22:49
Speaker 18: Now?
22:50
Speaker 15: The government, I felt, could not answer basic questions in
22:52
Speaker 15: a private briefing we had on this issue. I do
22:55
Speaker 15: not understand whether the government will not submit itself to
22:57
Speaker 15: a public briefing from experts and a fish to reassure
23:01
Speaker 15: our agricultural sector, our beaf producers that everything has been
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Speaker 15: done correctly here. I mean, what have they got to hide?
23:08
Speaker 15: All we've heard from in these changes, All we've heard
23:11
Speaker 15: publicly are the politicians and the beat producers. Don't want
23:14
Speaker 15: to hear from politicians. They don't hear from me. They
23:16
Speaker 15: don't want hear from the Minister for Agriculture. They want
23:18
Speaker 15: to hear from the Chief Veterinary Officer. They want to
23:19
Speaker 15: hear from the experts that live and breathe this issue
23:23
Speaker 15: and be reassured that their spy security, their safety, their families,
23:28
Speaker 15: liblihoods will be protected.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely spot on. They just want to know the basics.
23:33
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, Saxon Davidson, We've got to.
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Speaker 3: Leave it there.
23:35
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me on the show
23:37
Speaker 2: this evening.
23:37
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
23:39
Speaker 2: Let's return now to Australia edging closer towards recognizing Palestine.
23:44
Speaker 3: Here was the Treasurer this morning.
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Speaker 4: I think it's a matter of when, not if Australia
23:51
Speaker 4: recognizes a Palestinian state, Soir, could we.
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Speaker 18: See it before September, by that before that UN meeting?
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to put a time frame on it.
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Speaker 4: It's been a long standing bipartisan policy.
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Speaker 3: Jomian.
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Speaker 2: Now for more on this is Liberal MP Julian, Lisa Julian,
24:06
Speaker 2: good to catch up.
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Speaker 3: We can see where this is going, can't we.
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Speaker 19: Well, Denik, I think this is the wrong call at
24:12
Speaker 19: the wrong time. What we need to do at the
24:15
Speaker 19: moment as Australia is to put maximum pressure on hamas
24:18
Speaker 19: a terrorist organization that we list as a terrorist organization
24:22
Speaker 19: in this country, that is responsible for the October seventh Pogrom,
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Speaker 19: the largest murder of Jewish people on a single day
24:30
Speaker 19: that took over two hundred and fifty people. As captive
24:33
Speaker 19: as hostages and still has fifty hostages who are kept
24:38
Speaker 19: in dreadful conditions, in terrible conditions in tunnels and in
24:42
Speaker 19: other dark places in Gaza. They are the obstacle to
24:46
Speaker 19: the end of the conflict, and Hamas must return the
24:50
Speaker 19: hostages and they must plan no further part in Gaza.
24:54
Speaker 19: To go and indicate that you're going to recognize a
24:57
Speaker 19: Palestinian state before that has been completed and before you've
25:02
Speaker 19: worked out the final status issues is wrong. We have
25:06
Speaker 19: never recognized the existence of a state before that stat
25:09
Speaker 19: has come into being. This is a departure from our
25:12
Speaker 19: foreign policy and it sends the wrong signal to Harmas
25:15
Speaker 19: at a time where we need to put maximum international
25:18
Speaker 19: pressure on them to release the hostages and get out
25:21
Speaker 19: of Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Look, absolutely, I can't even believe we're having this discussion
25:25
Speaker 2: when there are still hostages being held captive. But for
25:28
Speaker 2: people who don't understand, explain to us why recognizing Palestinian
25:34
Speaker 2: statehood on the world stage is highly problematic and essentially
25:38
Speaker 2: rewards Humas.
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Speaker 3: Can you break it down for us?
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Speaker 19: Well, lots of people have been talking about the two
25:44
Speaker 19: state solution for a long time. A state of Israel
25:47
Speaker 19: and a state of Palestine side by side, But that
25:50
Speaker 19: can only happen when the Palestinian actors acknowledge Israel's right
25:54
Speaker 19: to exist, and so many actors, sadly in the Palestinian
25:58
Speaker 19: territories don't recognize Israel's right to exist, including Hamas. And
26:02
Speaker 19: there are lots of other issues around the final status
26:06
Speaker 19: of Jerusalem, where the boundaries of states might exist would be,
26:09
Speaker 19: And all of these discussions were alive in the nineteen
26:12
Speaker 19: nineties and early two thousands, as Israel made a series
26:16
Speaker 19: of offers to the Palestinians in relation to different states.
26:19
Speaker 19: But since October seven, we've had a very different scenario
26:22
Speaker 19: now where you had Hamas, a terrorist organization that we
26:26
Speaker 19: list as a terrorist organization in this country, commit the
26:29
Speaker 19: most appalling crime against innocent Israeli's people were murdered, raped,
26:36
Speaker 19: maim killed, captured babies and Holocaust survivors who were dismembered
26:42
Speaker 19: on that day and who were then killed in Gaza's
26:45
Speaker 19: terror tunnels. The idea that we would go back to,
26:48
Speaker 19: this idea of talking about a Palestinian state in these circumstances,
26:53
Speaker 19: is simply to reward Hamas for their actions, and it
26:56
Speaker 19: sends a very bad signal around the world that if
26:59
Speaker 19: you can a terrorist act, if you're a terrorist organization,
27:03
Speaker 19: that the international community will give you exactly what you want.
27:07
Speaker 19: And that is not something that Australia should be party to.
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Speaker 3: No, it's like complete capitulation.
27:13
Speaker 2: We know that Canada has become the latest to declare
27:16
Speaker 2: it would recognize Palestine.
27:18
Speaker 3: It follows France and the UK. Julian.
27:20
Speaker 2: What I'm finding is is that each of these countries
27:22
Speaker 2: keep saying that this is the only way to achieve
27:25
Speaker 2: a two state solution and that there has to be
27:27
Speaker 2: peace in the region. But the reality is is that
27:29
Speaker 2: Hummus wants neither of those. So where is the moral
27:32
Speaker 2: clarity on what these Western leaders actually want here? And
27:36
Speaker 2: it's almost like they're just following the lead of one
27:39
Speaker 2: another without being able to properly, properly explain their decision making.
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Speaker 19: Well, this is right, Deanika. We should believe Hamas when
27:48
Speaker 19: they say they want to obliterate Israel, where they want
27:51
Speaker 19: to wipe them from the face of the earth. That
27:54
Speaker 19: is effectively what's in their charter, Palestine from the river
27:57
Speaker 19: to the sea. And when they're using those sort of language,
28:01
Speaker 19: they don't want any part of a two state solution,
28:03
Speaker 19: and where as Australian should make our own independent foreign policy.
28:07
Speaker 19: In the past, the tradition has been that Australia was
28:10
Speaker 19: one of very few nations that would tend to vote
28:12
Speaker 19: on these matters at the International fora alongside Israel. We
28:17
Speaker 19: were there with the United States and several other nations.
28:20
Speaker 19: Papua New Guinea has been very consistent in its support
28:23
Speaker 19: for Israel, for instance. But since the election of this government,
28:26
Speaker 19: and even before October seven, we have seen this push
28:30
Speaker 19: for unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state, which means the
28:34
Speaker 19: recognition of a Palestinian state before those preconditions have been met,
28:38
Speaker 19: in other words, before the Palestinian actors have recognized Israel's
28:42
Speaker 19: right to exist, and before those final status issues about
28:46
Speaker 19: boundaries in Jerusalem and other things have been worked out. So,
28:50
Speaker 19: you know, I don't think we should be rushing headlong
28:53
Speaker 19: to do what Canada and other countries are doing just
28:56
Speaker 19: because they're doing it. I think we should stay with
28:59
Speaker 19: the tradition, the previously bipartisan position that we recognize that
29:04
Speaker 19: we look to any kind of states recognition after that
29:07
Speaker 19: state is coming to being and after those preconditions have
29:12
Speaker 19: been met. This is a complete departure from Australian foreign
29:15
Speaker 19: policy and all that it does is rewards from US
29:19
Speaker 19: for its actions of terrorism.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Julian.
29:23
Speaker 2: Just on another matter, exiled Iranians living in Australia are
29:26
Speaker 2: reportedly being stalked and threatened by Islamic Republic agents for
29:30
Speaker 2: criticizing Iran Supreme Leader. One Iranian national in Australia told
29:35
Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper agents of the Islamic Republic are threatening
29:39
Speaker 2: to kill me and are putting pressure on my family
29:41
Speaker 2: in Iran, saying that if I don't stay silent, they
29:44
Speaker 2: will harm them. Look, this is frightening, Julian, especially that
29:48
Speaker 2: this is happening in our own country.
29:50
Speaker 3: What more can be done here?
29:54
Speaker 19: Well, it's an appalling situation, Danika. I represent the fourth
29:57
Speaker 19: largest Iranian community in the country. They are wonderful citizens,
30:02
Speaker 19: They contribute in every imaginable facet, and they are thoroughly
30:06
Speaker 19: peaceful and they want to get as far away from
30:08
Speaker 19: the regime as possible. So the idea that we have
30:11
Speaker 19: Iranian agents in this country roughing up and threatening the
30:17
Speaker 19: diaspra community here is appalling. Those people should face the
30:21
Speaker 19: full force of the law. The Foreign Minister should call
30:23
Speaker 19: in the Iranian Foreign Minister for a full dressing down.
30:26
Speaker 19: The Iranian Foreign Minister who has been has made anti
30:30
Speaker 19: Semitic comments and has been somebody who has weakened the
30:33
Speaker 19: social cohesion of this country should be expelled and the
30:37
Speaker 19: government should crack on and list the IRGC, the Islamic
30:41
Speaker 19: revolutionarygard Corps, which is the Iranian Secret police as a
30:45
Speaker 19: terrorist organization. Of several other nations like Canada have done
30:49
Speaker 19: and we have said repeatedly that we are happy to
30:53
Speaker 19: support any changes to any law to make that happen.
30:57
Speaker 19: And I repeat that offer to the government because we
31:00
Speaker 19: cannot have a situation where Australians are being roughed up
31:05
Speaker 19: by foreign regimes they and the people engage in that
31:08
Speaker 19: are not brought to justice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe it. It hasn't been done as
31:13
Speaker 2: of yet. Julian, Lisa, good to see you. Thank you
31:16
Speaker 2: so much for joining me on the show this evening.
31:19
Speaker 19: Thanks Anika.
31:21
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, new taxes and legalizing cannabis
31:24
Speaker 2: could be on the cards for Victoria after a policy
31:27
Speaker 2: agenda was leaked ahead of a party meeting this weekend.
31:30
Speaker 2: The state's shadow Police Minister, David Southwick will join me. Plus,
31:34
Speaker 2: Parliament has been told this should be our port Arthur
31:37
Speaker 2: moment amid fresh calls for tougher child protection measures. I'll
31:40
Speaker 2: speak to a survivor advocate next about what should be
31:43
Speaker 2: done to protect the sector.
31:48
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
31:48
Speaker 18: Well.
31:49
Speaker 2: Parliament has today passed new laws allowing the federal government
31:52
Speaker 2: to cut funding to childcare centers that are not up
31:55
Speaker 2: to scratch on safety, amid allegations of horrific abuse in
31:59
Speaker 2: the sector.
32:01
Speaker 6: This is the start, not the end. To be brutally honest,
32:04
Speaker 6: this work will never end. There is a lot of
32:06
Speaker 6: work that we need to do together to rebuild trust
32:11
Speaker 6: and confidence in a system that parents need to have
32:14
Speaker 6: confidence in.
32:16
Speaker 18: Now.
32:16
Speaker 2: Look, Jason Claire is right on this. We need action now.
32:20
Speaker 2: And today's survivor advocate at the Australian Childhood Foundation, Emma Hackinson,
32:25
Speaker 2: took her fight for tougher working with children's checks to camera,
32:29
Speaker 2: declaring this should be our Port Arthur moment and am
32:32
Speaker 2: please to say that. Emma joins me now. Emma, thank
32:35
Speaker 2: you very much for your time this evening. Firstly, I
32:37
Speaker 2: just want to get your reaction to Parliament passing those
32:40
Speaker 2: new laws today.
32:41
Speaker 3: Do they go far enough? In your view?
32:45
Speaker 18: This is a really important first step, but as we
32:47
Speaker 18: just heard Claire say, there is no one single piece
32:50
Speaker 18: of reform that is going to help to prevent child
32:52
Speaker 18: sexual abuse.
32:53
Speaker 3: There's a lot more work to be done.
32:55
Speaker 18: There's the recommendations from the Royal Commission that need to
32:57
Speaker 18: be implemented. And the big thing that we focusing on
33:00
Speaker 18: is we need to have a Working with Children Check
33:02
Speaker 18: that doesn't just screen out dangerous people, but that mandates
33:06
Speaker 18: child abuse prevention training for all five point eight million
33:09
Speaker 18: Working with Children Check holders around the country so that
33:12
Speaker 18: they're armed with the tools that they need to spot
33:14
Speaker 18: someone who is dangerous and unsafe and to identify when
33:17
Speaker 18: a child needs help and to know what to do next.
33:20
Speaker 2: Well, just expand on that, because I know that you've
33:22
Speaker 2: met with politicians from all sides in Canberra.
33:27
Speaker 3: How are our Working with Children checks at the moment?
33:30
Speaker 2: What are the gaping holes I guess that need urgent attention.
33:35
Speaker 18: So, considering the Government considers the Working with Children Check
33:39
Speaker 18: a key piece of the mechanism that keeps children safe,
33:42
Speaker 18: you would think that it does more than it currently
33:44
Speaker 18: does at the moment, there is no training required to
33:48
Speaker 18: receive a working with Children check. In comparison, if you
33:50
Speaker 18: want to pour a pint of beer at the pub,
33:52
Speaker 18: you need to do a day of training and pass
33:54
Speaker 18: a test to have a Responsible Service of our costificate.
33:57
Speaker 18: So it's basically easier to work at a bart than
33:59
Speaker 18: to be trusted with children. And what it does at
34:02
Speaker 18: the moment is screen up people who have past convictions
34:05
Speaker 18: that say that they are definitely dangerous to work with children.
34:08
Speaker 3: That's obviously important.
34:10
Speaker 18: But the reality is that most perpetrators of child sexual abuse,
34:13
Speaker 18: including the person who abused me who had a working
34:15
Speaker 18: with Children check, do not have past convictions. So if
34:19
Speaker 18: we're only relying on screening through that way, then we're
34:22
Speaker 18: not going to be able.
34:23
Speaker 3: To keep children safe.
34:24
Speaker 18: However, if we know that every other adult knows the
34:28
Speaker 18: signs of abuse, knows how to engage with children, how
34:30
Speaker 18: to ask the right questions, make them feel safe, to
34:33
Speaker 18: be able to come to them when something is wrong,
34:35
Speaker 18: then we have a much better chance at genuinely preventing
34:38
Speaker 18: and also intervening with child abuse when it occurs.
34:41
Speaker 2: You know, I've just had you know, you have to
34:43
Speaker 2: ask a question how is it that we don't have
34:46
Speaker 2: tougher checks and balances already in this country exactly what
34:49
Speaker 2: you're calling for. I mean, we're talking about one of
34:51
Speaker 2: the most vulnerable groups in our society. It beggars belief
34:54
Speaker 2: that we don't have a tough system in place already
34:57
Speaker 2: for those who do want to work with children.
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Speaker 18: I agree, and I think we have this weird dichotomy
35:03
Speaker 18: where all of us across political spectrums can agree that
35:07
Speaker 18: child sexual abuse is a crisis that we have to
35:09
Speaker 18: deal with, and yet we are so uncomfortable with the topic.
35:12
Speaker 18: And I know as a survivor, when I talk about
35:14
Speaker 18: the topic with politicians, with the general public, we find
35:17
Speaker 18: it so uncomfortable that we want to look away. And
35:19
Speaker 18: so we've got to a point where the Australian Child
35:22
Speaker 18: my Treatment Study says that twenty eight points five percent
35:25
Speaker 18: of children in Australia suffer child sexual abuse, and yet
35:28
Speaker 18: we are so clearly not doing enough. And the Joshua
35:31
Speaker 18: Brown case, all of these cases that are coming up
35:33
Speaker 18: in the media tell us that that is true. But
35:35
Speaker 18: it's not just a problem of that one alleged perpetrator.
35:38
Speaker 18: It's not just a problem of childcare. This is a
35:41
Speaker 18: widespread problem, and that's why having training in a system
35:45
Speaker 18: that has five point eight million people across the country
35:48
Speaker 18: in it registered to work with children is a really
35:51
Speaker 18: essential step forward for reform and that's why we're calling for.
35:54
Speaker 3: It, absolutely no doubt about it.
35:57
Speaker 2: You mentioned, of course, you're a survivor yourself, that you
36:00
Speaker 2: spoke previously at the Royal Commission and a child abuse
36:03
Speaker 2: when you were just fifteen years old.
36:05
Speaker 3: Has anything changed in your view since then?
36:09
Speaker 18: Things have changed. I'm not going to pretend that there
36:11
Speaker 18: hasn't been any progress. It's just that it's not coming
36:14
Speaker 18: far enough. That's stat that I gave before twenty eight
36:16
Speaker 18: point five percent of children being sexually abused. We clearly
36:20
Speaker 18: have so much more work to do. There are still
36:22
Speaker 18: recommendations from that Royal Commission that have been left on
36:25
Speaker 18: the shelf that are getting dusty and they need to
36:27
Speaker 18: be implemented. We need an independent regulator for childcare. We
36:31
Speaker 18: need so many different things, and we need to make
36:33
Speaker 18: sure that the government is listening to survivors who have
36:36
Speaker 18: gone through the worst possible thing that a children can
36:39
Speaker 18: have happened to them. They have inevitably taken lessons from
36:43
Speaker 18: that suffering and if they are asking and if we
36:46
Speaker 18: are asking, for the government to listen and to learn
36:48
Speaker 18: so that children today are not harmed. That's the most
36:51
Speaker 18: important thing the government can do.
36:53
Speaker 3: Now look your spot on.
36:54
Speaker 2: Well done Emma for your advocacy on this and you're right,
36:58
Speaker 2: something has to happen. This is one of our vulnerable
37:00
Speaker 2: in society. So the change starts now. Emma Hackinson, good
37:04
Speaker 2: to speak with you. Thanks so much for joining me
37:06
Speaker 2: on the show this evening.
37:07
Speaker 3: Thank you well. Still to come migrants and.
37:10
Speaker 2: Not only being housed in hotels in the UK, that
37:13
Speaker 2: our occupying flats costing the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars,
37:17
Speaker 2: plus new taxes, legalizing cannabis and watering down anti protest laws.
37:22
Speaker 2: Victoria's Shadow Police Minister David Southwick will join me next
37:26
Speaker 2: to explain what on earth.
37:27
Speaker 3: The premiere is up to now welcome back.
37:32
Speaker 2: While the Victorian Labor Party will hold its ALP state
37:35
Speaker 2: conference this weekend and elaked copy of its policy proposals
37:39
Speaker 2: should worry everyone in the state. On the table are
37:42
Speaker 2: new taxes, surprise surprise, softening anti protest laws, scrapping council
37:48
Speaker 2: rate caps, legalizing cannabis, and establishing a permanent Aboriginal Truth
37:53
Speaker 2: Telling Commission.
37:54
Speaker 3: Here was a premier justin too Allen.
37:55
Speaker 2: Today, there's a range of motions that are therefore debate
38:00
Speaker 2: at state conference on Saturday.
38:02
Speaker 3: It'll be robust debate. It'll be strong debate, as it should.
38:06
Speaker 7: My focus while those debates are going on, is delivering
38:09
Speaker 7: for all Victorians.
38:12
Speaker 3: Well we can see where it's going, can't we?
38:13
Speaker 2: Joining me now is a Victorian shadow police minister, David Southwick.
38:18
Speaker 3: Gee, David, what is just Into Allen up too? Do
38:21
Speaker 3: you think?
38:22
Speaker 18: Yeah?
38:22
Speaker 1: Well, firstly, great to be with you, Denika. Who knows.
38:25
Speaker 11: I mean, Victoria's broke. We know that we're reaching almost
38:28
Speaker 11: two hundred billion dollars. That's one point two million dollars
38:32
Speaker 11: an hour just to pay the interest bill. So it's
38:36
Speaker 11: no surprise where Ja cinderell And wants to put her
38:39
Speaker 11: hand in everybody else's pocket to try and raise the dough.
38:42
Speaker 1: I mean we're all paying for this. Another tax.
38:44
Speaker 11: They're talking about more property taxes when we're the highest
38:49
Speaker 11: taxing nation. We want to encourage investment, jobs, housing, None
38:52
Speaker 11: of that's going to happen with more taxation, protest laws.
38:56
Speaker 1: It's just out of control here.
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Speaker 3: Oh look at it is.
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Speaker 2: And as I said, it's worry every Victorian because these
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Speaker 2: proposals could absolutely form the framework and the platform for
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Speaker 2: next year's election.
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Speaker 18: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Look, I mean there is no question we've got to
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Speaker 11: get confidence back in the economy. We've got to encourage investment.
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Speaker 11: But when you're the highest taxing state and you want
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Speaker 11: to instead of encouraging investment, get young people into a heart,
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Speaker 11: I mean that's what we're trying to do with a
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Speaker 11: stamp duty, no stamp duty for first time buyers, to
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Speaker 11: get young people into a heart. This government says, well,
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Speaker 11: let's just tax people more. But on top of that,
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Speaker 11: the crazy idea about we are the protest capital of
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Speaker 11: the nation. We've got a huge problem, as you know
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Speaker 11: at the moment with day in, day out protests, particularly
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Speaker 11: targeting our Jewish community.
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Speaker 1: And what does this.
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Speaker 11: Government do at the very protest where they want to
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Speaker 11: ensure that they've got private security to keep the protesters out.
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Speaker 11: We can protest laws, I mean seriously, we can protest
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Speaker 11: laws to make it even easier for these thugs to
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Speaker 11: hijack our great city in our state.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's absolutely appalling.
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Speaker 2: I mean, no one of the Jewish Australians are so
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Speaker 2: scared at the moment, but in Victoria it's a whole
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Speaker 2: different kettle of fish. Now, look to one of what
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Speaker 2: I think is the most bizarre ideas. Parents of machete
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Speaker 2: wielding Team criminals are being told to find their kids
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Speaker 2: weapons and dispose of them in a special knife bin.
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Speaker 3: It's been pushed.
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Speaker 2: By one of the state's top cops, Brett Curran, who
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Speaker 2: also conceded that the weapons weren't going to simply disappear,
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Speaker 2: and that criminals would find you weapons, David. So basically
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Speaker 2: mum and dad are being told go find your kids weapons,
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Speaker 2: throw them in the bin, and well that's it.
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Speaker 3: No consequences for the kids.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, we've got a crime crisis happening in
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Speaker 11: Victoria day and do out. We see these horrible attacks
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Speaker 11: on people in their homes on the streets, and the
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Speaker 11: government's solution is these big bins forty bins around the state,
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Speaker 11: thirteen million dollars bins of cost to expect these criminals
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Speaker 11: to hand in a machete. I mean, I'd be very
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Speaker 11: interested to see how many machetes that actually get handed in.
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Speaker 11: If they've got five thousand, it would cost about two
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Speaker 11: and a half thousand dollars a machete to have them
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Speaker 11: handed in.
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Speaker 1: They're not going to be handed in at all.
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Speaker 11: We've been calling on the band, but ultimately, if you
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Speaker 11: get fined with them, you go to jail, and we've
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Speaker 11: got strong laws that we would like to introduce, break bail,
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Speaker 11: face jail. I get these young criminals that are committing
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Speaker 11: violent crimes off the streets. But this is just another
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Speaker 11: crazy idea by the other labor government. It's not going
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Speaker 11: to work.
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Speaker 1: And ultimately, again Victoria's are going to pay the price.
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Speaker 2: Well absolutely, I mean once again, you know these kids
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Speaker 2: who run riot, they just get let off the hook
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Speaker 2: time and time again, and they go through the courts.
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Speaker 3: It's deja vu. It's the same thing.
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Speaker 2: But you know mom and dad can help them out
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Speaker 2: and sort them out.
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Speaker 3: Just baffles me.
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Speaker 2: Now, look, Victoria's firefighting fleet is facing a funding crisis.
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Speaker 2: According to the Herald Sun, one hundred and thirty two
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Speaker 2: fire trucks will soon surpass their fifteen year replacement date
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Speaker 2: and that funding is inadequate to keep them on the road.
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Speaker 2: The thing I find about this, David, is you've got
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Speaker 2: labor spending more than three hundred and eighty million dollars
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Speaker 2: on its desperate attempts to establish a treaty, Yet it
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Speaker 2: can't even take care of basic emergency services resourcing.
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Speaker 11: You've hit the nail on the head when you've got
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Speaker 11: trucks that are not even fit for purpose. This is
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Speaker 11: a real safety issue heading to a fire season and
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Speaker 11: you expect to be able to ensure that you can
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Speaker 11: get the help you need. And if these trucks aren't
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Speaker 11: fit for purpose, and certainly a number of them should
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Speaker 11: be off the road, well what is this government doing?
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Speaker 11: On top of that, we've got the Emergency services tax,
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Speaker 11: which is hitting up our volunteer firefighters that are meant
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Speaker 11: to be protecting the very public parks that this government
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Speaker 11: is not fit for being able to look after themselves.
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Speaker 11: So the farmers have to keep Victorian safe and pay
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Speaker 11: a tax for it, and we don't.
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Speaker 1: Have the trucks that are fit for purpose. It's just crazy.
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Speaker 11: The government's got all their priorities wrong and that is
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Speaker 11: why we're in the mess that we're in, and we've
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Speaker 11: just got to turn things around. It's not fair for
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Speaker 11: many hard working Victorians in a cost of living crisis,
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Speaker 11: in a crime crisis, and a state that's out of
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Speaker 11: control with a premier that has no idea to manage money.
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Speaker 2: No, clearly, I mean no wonder Victoria is in so
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Speaker 2: much debt, but just the priorities are just so wrong. Well,
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Speaker 2: I guess we'll stay tuned for this ALP conference on
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Speaker 2: the weekend.
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Speaker 3: Let's see where they get to.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck exactly, David Southwick, It's nice to catch up.
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Speaker 2: Thanks very much for joining me on the show this evening.
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Speaker 2: It's madness, isn't it. Stay with us still to come.
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Speaker 2: Palestine Action has won a bid to challenge it's banned
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Speaker 2: by the UK government under terror legislation, and a fitting
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Speaker 2: farewell for the Prince of Darkness Ozzy Osbourne will go
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Speaker 2: live to Tom Slater in London.
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Speaker 3: That's next, Stay with us, welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know you're doing well as a world leader
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Speaker 2: when you start being praised by high ranking officials within
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Speaker 2: terror organizations. Hamas official busen name has heralded UK Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Keir Starmer's intention to recognize Palestinian statehood as bringing
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Speaker 2: victory and liberation for the terror group. Let's bring in
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Speaker 2: Spiked Online editor Tom Slater. Now, Tom, good to see you, gee.
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Speaker 2: That's a glowing endorsement.
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Speaker 20: No, absolutely. I mean when Kirs Starmer made this announcement,
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Speaker 20: it's kind of convoluted roadmap to recognition of Palestine. It
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Speaker 20: wasn't obvious who this was going to please. It certainly
44:47
Speaker 20: didn't please Benjaminette and Yahoo and the Israelis. It certainly
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Speaker 20: didn't please the left of his party. You already see
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Speaker 20: him as a sellout on this particular issue. But now
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Speaker 20: we know who it pleases. Hamas This was always going
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Speaker 20: to be the way it was always obvious. Is that
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Speaker 20: if you took this sequence of events, you have October
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Speaker 20: the seventh, the worst massacre pogrom against Jews since the Holocaust.
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Speaker 20: Do you then have a war in which the mass
45:09
Speaker 20: willfully put their citizens in harms way as they always do.
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Speaker 20: If the endpoint of that is recognition of a Palestinian state,
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Speaker 20: in what sense are you not rewarding terrorism? In what
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Speaker 20: sense are you not rewarding their genocidal pogrom. So it's
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Speaker 20: a reminder that this plan was always absurd and despicable
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Speaker 20: to begin with. But yet we've answered the question finally
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Speaker 20: about who this will please, and it is the Jihadis
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Speaker 20: killers themselves.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a complete concern on the world stage and
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Speaker 2: an embarrassment quite frankly. Now look, Palestine Action has won
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Speaker 2: permission to challenge its ban by the UK government under
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Speaker 2: terror legislation. Lawyers for the group claim that their ban
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Speaker 2: breached their free speech rights and acted as a gag
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Speaker 2: on legitimate protest. Tom the group broke into defense firms
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Speaker 2: linked to Israel and caused millions of pounds worth of
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Speaker 2: damage to jets at a Royal Air Force station. Is
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Speaker 2: that a risk to free speech or a national security risk?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 20: I mean, if you're talking about smashing up RAF planes
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Speaker 20: causing seven million pounds of damage as they did at
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Speaker 20: RIF Bryce Norton, this of course isn't a free speech issue.
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Speaker 20: I think where things have got tricky with this prescription
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Speaker 20: is the fact that it criminalizes membership of this group.
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Speaker 20: It criminalizes even expressing support for this group. There's been
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Speaker 20: over two hundred protesters who had been arrested over the
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Speaker 20: course of the past month or two for simply kind
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Speaker 20: of holding up signs in public saying I support Palestine Action,
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Speaker 20: I oppose genocide. So I think in a way this
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Speaker 20: was inevitably bound to happen. I think this group is despicable.
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Speaker 20: They've done far worse than attack RAF bases. They've even
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Speaker 20: targeted Jewish businesses, claiming some convoluted connection to Israeli defense firms.
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Speaker 7: It doesn't really exist.
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Speaker 20: But I think what the government should have focused on
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Speaker 20: is cracking down very hard on the elements within this
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Speaker 20: which were criminal, which were about inflicting damage and so on,
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Speaker 20: because I think this broad sweeping prescription was always going
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Speaker 20: to lead them to a situation where it was going
46:51
Speaker 20: to end up being re litigated in the court.
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Speaker 1: So I think it was always going to come to
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Speaker 1: this point.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, yeah, clearly, and it has now look tom migrants
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Speaker 2: and not only being housed in hotels in the UK,
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Speaker 2: they're now occupying flats, costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of
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Speaker 2: dollars tell us more.
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Speaker 20: Absolutely so, there's been protests in the Hampshire town of
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Speaker 20: Waterlooville because this block of flats newly converted, some of
47:14
Speaker 20: them two hundred and fifty thousand pounds worth of property.
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Speaker 20: There were suddenly requisition we're going to be turned over
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Speaker 20: to housing illegal migrants asylum seekers pic your euphemism, and
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Speaker 20: there's been this response, peaceful protests from the local community.
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Speaker 20: It now seems to me that whether it's a migrant
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Speaker 20: hotel or whether it's a block of flats or whatever
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Speaker 20: it might be, that it's been handed over to How's
47:37
Speaker 20: asylum seekers, We're now going to see protests like this
47:39
Speaker 20: time and time and time again. It just reminds the government,
47:43
Speaker 20: I hope, that you can't just keep pushing this problem around.
47:46
Speaker 20: Even if you close down all the migrant hotels tomorrow,
47:48
Speaker 20: as they claim they want to do, the people who
47:50
Speaker 20: are here have to go somewhere unless you're willing to
47:52
Speaker 20: properly process them and deport the ones who should not
47:55
Speaker 20: be here. So I think it's just a reminder that
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Speaker 20: all of our problems and all of the public concern
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Speaker 20: where this issue is concerned, is downstream from the fact
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Speaker 20: that we've lost control of the border.
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Speaker 1: We need to fix.
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Speaker 20: That and to regain that control, and maybe they can
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Speaker 20: start sort out the rest of.
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Speaker 2: These Probably, Yeah, clearly people have had enough now.
48:11
Speaker 3: Just before we let you go were almost sad.
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Speaker 2: Time, but thousands of line the streets of Birmingham to
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Speaker 2: pay their respects to the print of Darkness Ozzy Osbourne.
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Speaker 2: Tom of course, following his death, it was a fitting farewell.
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Speaker 3: Wasn't it.
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Speaker 20: Absolutely. I've seen the city of his birth, Birmingham, many
48:26
Speaker 20: of his fans, they're lining the streets. But I think
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Speaker 20: it's also touched a nerve with a lot of Brits
48:30
Speaker 20: who weren't necessarily huge Black Sabbath fans, but really kind
48:32
Speaker 20: of appreciated him as a character, as one of that
48:35
Speaker 20: kind of dying breed of working class Brits who could
48:38
Speaker 20: get a few bandmates together and make a huge impact
48:40
Speaker 20: on the world.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, very sad scenes there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, four bokes from Birmingham and they made it.
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Speaker 3: They did so well.
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Speaker 2: Tom Slater, good to see you, Thanks for joining me,
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Speaker 2: Thanks for your company this week on Sharry. I'll be
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Speaker 2: in tomorrow night at five pm for my show, but
48:53
Speaker 2: stay tuned.
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Speaker 3: Paul Murray is next. Good Night,