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The Next Round: Alabama vs. Georgia SHOWDOWN! Nick Saban Revelations & Cowboys Meltdown | Hour 1 · The Next Round

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  Speaker 1: And we're live at Innisfree in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, and we're outside.
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  Speaker 1: If that tells you anything about the weather, but that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's not going to change over the next
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  Speaker 1: 24 hours or so. Jim Dunaway, Ryan Brown, Lance Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: the guys are back in the studio as we get
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  Speaker 1: ready for the big game weekend. here in Tuscaloosa. We're
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  Speaker 1: at the beautiful Innisfree, a historic location here. More on
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  Speaker 1: the history of Innisfree and everything it's meant to Alabama
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  Speaker 1: football and big game weekends and maybe even Lane Kiffin
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  Speaker 1: as the show progresses.
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  Speaker 2: Featured recently in Vanity Fair.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk everything about Innisfree and when the doors open,
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  Speaker 1: the crowd will fill in and we will get ready
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  Speaker 1: for a big game weekend.
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  Speaker 2: But first, I want to say this off the top.
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  Speaker 1: And this includes our wonderful friends at the Floribama down
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  Speaker 1: there where they've been, you know, tightening everything up, putting
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  Speaker 1: everything away, getting ready.
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  Speaker 2: For the storm.
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  Speaker 1: Over the next few hours, the hurricane will make landfall
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  Speaker 1: down around Pensacola Beach and right there on the Florida-Alabama
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  Speaker 1: line where the Floribama is. And we've talked a lot
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  Speaker 1: this week about this storm and how it's going to
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  Speaker 1: impact this major football game here in Tuscaloosa.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know if we've said it enough. We
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  Speaker 2: mentioned it a couple times, but enough.
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  Speaker 1: Our thoughts and prayers are with everybody down there on
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  Speaker 1: the Gulf and right Gulf adjacent down in South Alabama,
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  Speaker 1: Northwest Florida and South Mississippi. We have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: friends and family and a lot of people that got
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  Speaker 1: property down there. It's always a trying nerve wracking time.
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  Speaker 1: And we're thinking about all of you as we sit
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  Speaker 1: here in Tuscaloosa today. Yeah, not to discount it.
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  Speaker 3: I was talking to one of my best friends in
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  Speaker 3: the world, Drew, and they've got a place in Rosemary
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  Speaker 3: and he's heading down right now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, why in the hell are you heading to
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the storm?
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  Speaker 3: And he's like, well, everything we're going to secure everything
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  Speaker 3: at the house. He was like, everything should pass tonight, 10, 11,
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  Speaker 3: 12 o'clock. And he's like, after that, it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be absolutely beautiful. Daughters on fall break. He's like, we're
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  Speaker 3: going to stay down until Tuesday. It sounds again, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to discount this because you never know. Cause
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  Speaker 3: I discounted Katrina and I did it on the air
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  Speaker 3: and I was really embarrassed by it because it sounded
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  Speaker 3: like it was a little overrated in the beginning, but
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  Speaker 3: And then obviously levees break and everything goes to hell.
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  Speaker 2: So don't want to discount it.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, it seems as the week
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  Speaker 3: has progressed, it's not going to be as bad as
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  Speaker 3: they thought.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be a stronger storm from what I've
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  Speaker 1: seen than they thought. I think there's a chance it
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  Speaker 1: makes landfall as a Category 3 when initially they were
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  Speaker 1: saying maybe just a Category 1. I say just any
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  Speaker 1: hurricanes deadly. I think the good news is every time
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  Speaker 1: we've seen a forecast, they keep it moving faster and faster.
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  Speaker 1: So at least it will move on out and not just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Yeah. Stay put there, but some of the
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  Speaker 1: more damaging storms in time have got hung up right
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  Speaker 1: when they make landfall and continue to just pound and
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  Speaker 1: pound and pound the coast, adding to.
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  Speaker 2: The, the water surge and, and all of that.
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  Speaker 1: But we're thinking about everybody down there, including our wonderful
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  Speaker 1: friend at the floor, Bama, where we will do a
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  Speaker 1: show again in December.
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  Speaker 2: And, uh, You know, we spent so many good times.
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  Speaker 1: Most of our audience has spent great times at the Floribama.
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  Speaker 1: So thinking about everybody down on the Gulf Coast from 30A,
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorite places in the world, to Floribama
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  Speaker 1: and everywhere in between and around.
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  Speaker 3: And not to bring it to football, but because we
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  Speaker 3: are in Tuscaloosa and the biggest game of the weekend
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  Speaker 3: is right here with Georgia and Alabama, a top six matchup.
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  Speaker 3: It does look tomorrow, and I don't know what you
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  Speaker 3: guys have seen, like there's going to be rain throughout
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  Speaker 3: the day, but it's not going to be that big.
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  Speaker 2: Of a deal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, here in Tuscaloosa, it's going to be a much
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  Speaker 1: more muted game day. There's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, even.
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  Speaker 1: the actual game day is moving inside to Coleman Coliseum.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of the normal things they do around
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  Speaker 1: us here, we are at Innisfree, which is not too
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  Speaker 1: far from the stadium. The normal stuff they do around
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  Speaker 1: the stadium, some of that is going to be scaled back.
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  Speaker 1: But I think by the time we get to kickoff,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be pretty normal. As normal as it
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  Speaker 1: can be, obviously, if you haven't tailgated all day, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what the crowd's going to be like, but
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  Speaker 1: they'll probably be revved up because they're probably going to
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  Speaker 1: be tired of being cooped up or whatever inside of bars.
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  Speaker 2: I've almost bought into coming down. Almost. You're almost thinking
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 1: The last thing I saw from James Spann, the noted meteorologist,
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  Speaker 1: most people know him around the country. It says that
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  Speaker 1: the The storm actually will move through Tuscaloosa by noon.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be out of the way by noon.
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  Speaker 1: So some aftermath chances of rain, but really not a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of rain, not a whole lot of wind
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  Speaker 1: in the forecast when we actually play the game at 630.
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  Speaker 2: Game's on schedule. Everything's on schedule.
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  Speaker 1: And you may even have a tailgate window for about
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  Speaker 1: four hours to get out and tailgate when it's all
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  Speaker 1: said and done, which is amazing because the storm hasn't
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  Speaker 1: even moved in. We've got blue skies here. but behind
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  Speaker 1: us as it moves towards the through the NS free
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  Speaker 1: here the clouds will be coming from behind us here
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  Speaker 1: and that'll be building up as we go throughout the
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  Speaker 1: show today but we expect to be rain free at
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  Speaker 1: Innisfree today as we.
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  Speaker 2: Do this show.
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  Speaker 3: And I can't wait to see what the Georgia contingent
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  Speaker 3: looks like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. We'll see some of that filtering here
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  Speaker 2: at Innisfree.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they've got to be excited. I mean, they
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  Speaker 3: have gone forever without a national championship. And, you know, this,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we were just saying last Friday, they look
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  Speaker 3: like the best team in college football. And now it's
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  Speaker 3: let's kind of wait and see what Alabama is able
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  Speaker 3: to do as a one and a Before we actually
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  Speaker 3: anoint them the best team in football should be a
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  Speaker 3: hell of a game. But I'm very interested to see
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  Speaker 3: how many Georgia fans come over just based on the weather.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll talk about that game coming up in a second.
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  Speaker 1: But as always, we start about what we saw last
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  Speaker 1: night and work our way into the show today here
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  Speaker 1: All right, first off, the Saban documentary premiere was here
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  Speaker 1: in town at the Bama Theater last night, and they
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  Speaker 1: had the red carpet set up. The Sabans were there.
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  Speaker 1: Our buddy Marty Smith, Laura Rutledge was there. Reese was there.
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  Speaker 1: The Game Day crew was there. As they went through that,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of friends and family, some of the players
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  Speaker 1: were there.
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  Speaker 2: I saw Terry Saban read.
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  Speaker 4: Card.
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  Speaker 1: She was like, we were just leaving the house and
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  Speaker 1: this beautiful, huge set of white flowers showed up at
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  Speaker 1: our door and everybody was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh, who are they from? Who are they from?
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  Speaker 1: And Terry reads this on the stage because they had
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  Speaker 1: a Q & A before the premiere and.
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  Speaker 2: She reads it.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, it says, Coach, Nick and Terry, thank you
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  Speaker 1: guys so much for letting me be a small part
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  Speaker 1: of y'all's story. I knew the first time that Coach
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  Speaker 1: visited my dad's house in 2015 that I would be
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  Speaker 1: a special part that you guys would be a special
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  Speaker 1: part of my life.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoy the night. Congratulations, Jalen Hurts. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so many of the players, and I did
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  Speaker 1: watch episode one, you know, with my Buccaneers, Enforcers, White
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  Speaker 1: Sox playing. I didn't want to burn through it too fast,
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  Speaker 1: but episode one was very entertaining. My biggest takeaway from
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  Speaker 1: episode one, not to give anything away, but was the
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  Speaker 1: sports psychologist that worked at Michigan State who changed the
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  Speaker 1: way Nick Saban was the coach. And they actually put
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  Speaker 1: his graphic up after he met with the sports psychologist.
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  Speaker 1: He was like 32 and 22 as a coach, 32, 22,
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  Speaker 1: and one or something like that. And then after that,
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  Speaker 1: he was like 265 and 49.
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  Speaker 2: He was the guy that convinced him. It worked. And
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  Speaker 2: it showed him.
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  Speaker 1: And it had interviews with Michigan State players talking about,
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  Speaker 1: and even post-game, like after a loss in this documentary,
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  Speaker 1: they had the quarterback up there and they were like,
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  Speaker 1: What did Coach Saban say to you guys at halftime
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  Speaker 1: to try to motivate you guys for the second half? Really,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't try to motivate us at all in the
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  Speaker 1: second half. It was just a whole lot of things
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  Speaker 1: we were doing wrong. And then his philosophy changed on
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  Speaker 1: how he coached. And it came from the sports psychologist
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  Speaker 1: guys like, look, man, you can't think about the school board.
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  Speaker 2: It's six seconds at a time. That's all football is,
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  Speaker 2: six seconds at a time.
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  Speaker 1: And the light bulb went off and they went back
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  Speaker 1: to that big, Michigan State four touchdown underdog win in
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  Speaker 1: Columbus overall number one Ohio State and the the way
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  Speaker 1: it portrayed in the meeting in the documentary was the
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  Speaker 1: meeting with Saban happened the week of leading up to
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  Speaker 1: that game he was like nobody thinks we're going to
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  Speaker 1: win and he asked the sports psychologist how how do
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  Speaker 1: I how do I motivate our guys when I don't
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  Speaker 1: even think we're going to win and he's in he
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  Speaker 1: was like it's not about the score it's about six
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  Speaker 1: seconds at a time.
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  Speaker 2: And The rest is history.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't see last night. I'm obviously going to
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  Speaker 3: watch the whole thing, and I'm looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 3: But I did hear Saban last week when he was
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  Speaker 3: doing the car wash and talking to everybody, and he
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  Speaker 3: talked about how important his time at Michigan State was
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  Speaker 3: because that's where he learned about the process.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess that was part of it.
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  Speaker 3: I also wonder, and I don't know how much they
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  Speaker 3: went into this, we all remember the infamous when he
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  Speaker 3: left Michigan State and went to LSU. There was one
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  Speaker 3: person on the plane, Bobby Williams, I think, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It seemed like a lot of coaches stuck around. He
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  Speaker 3: might have been a pain in the ass here. You
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  Speaker 3: wonder if he became more bearable or it's just the
• 9:36
  Speaker 3: fact that they were winning at such a high level
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  Speaker 3: and all of these guys knew they were going to
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  Speaker 3: get their opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know because I've talked to former Saban assistants
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  Speaker 1: and I've heard both.
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  Speaker 2: Sides of it. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We had one pretty successful one tell Brown and I
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  Speaker 1: privately one time that I think he was interested in
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  Speaker 1: a job in Birmingham and he was like, hey, whatever
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  Speaker 1: young dude helped promote me for this job, I've got
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  Speaker 1: to get out of my life.
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  Speaker 2: Life's going to leave me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, was it, was it Pete Jenkins? That was
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  Speaker 3: the guy that said, I will never coach under Nick
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  Speaker 3: Saban again.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I can't remember. Went to the Eagles. Maybe I
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  Speaker 2: think it was PG.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there are many that have said
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  Speaker 1: that it's not, you gotta have a stomach.
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  Speaker 2: It ain't for everybody. That's for dang. You think Spurrier
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  Speaker 2: is an assistant could have coached for Saban? No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but you hear stories like, uh, when they
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: were building it here in Tuscaloosa was we got one
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  Speaker 1: day off and it was Christmas Eve.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't even get Christmas day off. Once we were
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  Speaker 2: done with the kids, we were back in the office.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's, it's the guy was consumed with like,
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  Speaker 1: I saw part of the Theo Vaughn podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys, that's one of the.
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  Speaker 1: Best Saban interviews I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't watched a lot of it.
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  Speaker 1: I've just gotten some clips on Tik TOK and he
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  Speaker 1: tells the story, which I envision the story being right
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  Speaker 1: out of here on three 59. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: that's the case, but that's just in my mind where
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  Speaker 1: I envisioned it, that, He and his wife are driving,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I do this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys do this. 100% of
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  Speaker 1: the time. But they come up on a merge where
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  Speaker 1: it's all backed up. I go as far as I can.
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  Speaker 2: In the merge. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and then just try
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  Speaker 2: to work your way over.
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  Speaker 1: 100%, somebody's going to be late to the gas, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to dive over and get in.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody's texting. Somebody's doing something. Or you get a nice person.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Or you just, you know, back up on the wave.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm always going to go as far as I can.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, for 50 years of my life, I've
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  Speaker 1: done that. And he goes, so after I retire, he's
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  Speaker 1: telling Theo Vaughn this, after I retire, we're in traffic,
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  Speaker 1: it's backed up, and I just sit in traffic. And
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  Speaker 1: he goes, Terry looks over at me and says, you're
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: not going to drive up there and try to? He's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to know where to be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not in a hurry.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, and I realized then for 50 years
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  Speaker 1: I've lived my entire life in a hurry. And now
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  Speaker 1: that I've retired, I've realized this is kind of nice.
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  Speaker 3: I may not have been in a hurry. I have
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  Speaker 3: tried to do that more in the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to do. So freaking important.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I try to put myself in that situation.
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  Speaker 1: But I hate sending traffic. I get it with Coach Saban.
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  Speaker 1: I do it like the sports psychologist. I do it
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  Speaker 1: in six-second increments. I'm patient for.
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  Speaker 3: About six seconds. Well, I don't know if you guys
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  Speaker 3: saw it. I know you came really early. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what time you got here, Dunaway. But when I
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  Speaker 3: was going out 59, there was a wreck right outside
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  Speaker 3: of McCollough coming back. And so it was backed up
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  Speaker 3: coming into Birmingham. And I was just thinking, man, if
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  Speaker 3: this was flipped around, I'd be in a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of trouble as far as getting down here. and that
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  Speaker 3: is one of the worst things because you just feel
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  Speaker 3: like you're wasting time in traffic, but there's nothing you can.
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  Speaker 2: Do about it.
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  Speaker 1: But my daughter, I've obviously ingrained this in my daughter.
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  Speaker 1: She's a student at South Alabama, and obviously with a
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  Speaker 1: hurricane coming, and their own fall break anyway, but she
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  Speaker 1: was coming back home, and there was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: traffic leaving the Gulf, as you might imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Evacuations, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, coming up 65 north, and she told me, she goes,
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  Speaker 1: I just dove off and took the back roads because
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  Speaker 1: I'm like you, Dad. I just don't like to sit
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  Speaker 1: in traffic. She goes, if it added 10 minutes to
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  Speaker 1: my drive, it was well worth it not to sit still,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, kind of raised you well yeah i
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  Speaker 1: at least ingrained something in you there don't sit still
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  Speaker 1: in traffic add 10 minutes to the drive to keep
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  Speaker 1: moving i'll do that 100 i would too yeah just
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  Speaker 1: bounce off yeah 10 15 minutes that's no big deal
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  Speaker 1: if i keep moving uh all the um episodes are
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  Speaker 1: up on the espn app and uh one aired last
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  Speaker 1: night i assume inside the theater they only aired one
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: episode but they had a question and answer with the
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  Speaker 1: producer and coach saban and terry up there and.
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  Speaker 2: It was just uh Well done.
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  Speaker 1: They had the band, you know, streets blocked off in
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  Speaker 1: downtown Tuscaloosa just a few blocks over from here. So
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  Speaker 1: a big night for the Sabans and for everyone in town.
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  Speaker 1: It worked out perfectly to debut at Georgia Week with
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  Speaker 1: game day here in town and all of that. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about the actual games that are going on in
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: college football, including a great Friday night slate coming up
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  Speaker 1: here in a second.
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: But last night in the NFL, we'll start there first.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: My Tampa Bay Buccaneers got a win that I didn't
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: think they had a chance to win.
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: Because the Cowboys.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Needed that win badly. And the Bucs are without their
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: quarterback and true rookie, true freshman, basically. Jalen Daniels, in
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: his second start, managed the game well. But it was
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: how the Buccaneers were able to run it down the Cowboys' throat.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: And I don't understand it.
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 241 rushing yards. The Cowboys on the other side,
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: only 50 rushing yards. And, you know, if you would
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: have said, and one of the reasons we were talking before,
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: I did not give out a game in the NFL
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: last night because I knew the Bucs were the right side.
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: But a team that had lost 12 against the number consecutive,
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: they were 0-4. You've got a backup quarterback making his
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: second NFL start, an undrafted free agent rookie in Jalen Daniels,
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: who played pretty well, very efficient last night. But Bucky
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: Irving was the difference. And on the other side, I
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: don't know what was worse, the Cowboys' offense or Christian
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: Parker's defense. Both were equally bad. And what it's reminding
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: me of, is the NFC South last year. This NFC
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: East is an absolute disaster.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Are the Cowboys going to screw this up though, Lance? Listen,
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: they've got the Giants starting Jameis Winston.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: They've got the Eagles trading off parts and looking like
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: they're entering a rebuild. And you've got the commanders who
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: apparently are going to start Jaden Daniels with a massive
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: brace on his arm, but they've been playing it back up.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Like this sets up so perfectly for the Cowboys to
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: win this division and go to the playoffs. And I
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: know we're only five weeks into this, but it feels
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: like they're going to find a way to screw it up.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I would love for them to win it and
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: my Rams be on the road and play in Dallas.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Of course, and you could go. Would love that.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: No, not necessarily that, but just the fact that can
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: you really trust the Dallas Cowboys? It is so weird
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: right now. And looking at Jerry Jones, he's looked old
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: for 30 years. But watching him in the box last night,
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: like he looks like he is a minute away from death.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: I hate to say that. It's the fact of the matter.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately, he's never going to win another championship.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: When Dak threw that last interception, which was not his fault,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: he hit his tight end right in his face. Just
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Jerry's reaction, man. This guy just lives and dies with
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: every play. It had to build up the whole game
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: because you're sitting there and you've got a quarterback. I mean,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: I am a, I know nothing about football, but if
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: I'm game planning going into that game, the one thing
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: I can't let Tampa Bay do is run the football.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to make Jalen Daniels for four quarters. It's
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: really like he played. He played great, but I would
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: make him have to make throws all night long. I'd
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: be seven in the box all night. And how is
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer?
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: You target, and look, and I know that Todd Bowles
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: was probably like, we've got to shut down C.D. Lamb,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: but he had 21 targets and 17 grabs last week
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: against the Houston Texans, and they targeted him five times,
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: two grabs last night for nine yards.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he went out.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: C.D.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Lamb was out hurt, too, at the end of that
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: game with a quad injury. I think he tried to
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: come back in and couldn't do it. Can we address
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: the coaching decisions at the end? Oh, I want to
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: bring it up right here. Go ahead Even with a win,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I'm still upset about the decision Tampa Bay's up 14
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: and I don't even have to have a guy who's
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: paid to do what you don't need the analytics Yeah,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: I don't need an analytic guy. He's standing behind me
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: with that big book if they're on the one-yard line
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: and We're in the fourth quarter.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: There's only so many possessions. Eight minutes to go, basically.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: And you kick the easiest field goal you're ever going
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: to kick, but they go for it on fourth down,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: and they don't get in. You kick that field goal 100%
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: of the time to go up 17 points.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: With eight minutes to go. That's three possessions.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Especially in the NFL, because possessions are so much more limited.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: The thinking behind it was Bucky Irving's having such a game.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: We're kind of road grading right now this Dallas defense.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Bucky Irving's not even in the game. That's the thing.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Irving's not even in the game. You kick it, you
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: go up 17. That game is over.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine? I mean, ball in hand, down eight.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Instead of the pick, if Dallas would have gone, scored,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: ties it up, and they win the game in overtime.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: They almost threw a pick six. I think Bowles is gone.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I do, too. That's what I told Dunaway.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, if you wanted Bowles fired, you should
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: have pulled for the Cowboys because I think he would
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: have gotten fired last night for that one.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: It was malpractice. I had to be ready to go.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: But the Buccaneers follow me.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I know you get upset when I say things because
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: AJ may be watching or the Bucs may be following.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: But the Buccaneers official account follows me for some reason.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: And I didn't want to say this guy should be
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: fired even in the win. But I really do believe
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: that he should be fired even in the victory because
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: you can't trust him to make that decision down the road.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: That was malpractice last night.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so many people put in so much
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: hard work throughout the week.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: You're 0-4. These guys want to taste a win.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: And you almost put them in a situation where they're
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: able to come back from two possessions down in the
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: fourth quarter.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine Jalen Daniels, as well as he played
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: last night, and got him on that drive with Lucky Irving,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: who poured his guts out last night, their offensive line.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: You got him down to the one. You kick that
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: field goal. You're up three possessions.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: If they had lost that game, all those guys did
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: on offense to produce enough points for you to win.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: That would have been so horrible.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: And more than likely, Jalen Daniels, you know, is going
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: to hang around the NF for a little bit. And,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe he catches on and maybe he strikes
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: magic and ends up being a starting quarterback. More than likely, though,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: he's in for a couple of years, he's out. Like,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: he's telling his kids and his grandkids– My second start
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: was on Amazon Prime on a Thursday night.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I went to Dallas, and I beat the Dallas Cowboys.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: It's a bigger deal than it sounds. The Amazon Prime.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I would not include that part. My second start. He
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: said it, actually, last night after the game. And my granddad's.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: And my father's football world was on Monday Night Football.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Now it's on Amazon Prime. It was a special Thursday
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: night game, son. It wasn't even on Monday Night Football.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: We were playing the Cowboys. But a terrible game. But
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: then Schottenheimer. And before I even say what I'm going
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: to say, y'all don't come at me with the analytics.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I know that two-point conversions are supposedly a 50-50 proposition.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I was so thankful.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: So if I go for two and I don't make
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: a really good chance I'm going to make the next one,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I get all of that. But I also feel like
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: these coaches do that so they look smart sometimes. Like Schottenheimer,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you are so lucky to be in this game.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And you score to go down eight and go for
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: two because you want to be the smartest guy in
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the room, it feels like. And I know everybody's going
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: to give me the analytics stuff, the 50-50, I get
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: all that. But I'll tell you, when it feels like
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you've screwed up is when you missed the first two-point conversion.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Now, if you get it, now all I've got to
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: do is kick the extra point to win the game
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: if I score it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: But if you don't, then it comes down to a
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: two-point conversion to take it to overtime.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Because as a Buccaneers fan, I'm like, we're on skates now.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: If he kicks this, it's a seven-point game. And they're
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: going to come down and tie if it goes to overtime,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: or they may go for two to try to win it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: But when they missed it, I was like, okay, the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: worst case scenario is we're going to go overtime.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, back to the difference in the college and the
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: NFL game. Some college coaches, I can give them a
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: pass doing that. I would still kick the extra point
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: and make it a seven-point game. But in college, I
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: think the analytics are even better on that two-point conversion.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: But I still would disagree with it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes I feel like these coaches do it so
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: they look smart.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And I feel like Schottenheimer was doing that last night. Like,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: they suck the whole game. They finally score, and he's like, I.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Got this, guys. Let me show you how smart I am.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I got it. I got it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: But if they would have gotten the two, and I
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: agree with you guys, they shouldn't have gone for the two.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: But ball in hand at the end there, it would
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: have felt a lot different.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: As Daniel says, it increases win probability. It does it
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: when you miss it. Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: When you missed it, it did not increase win probability
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: at all. It decreased it. I mean, I don't know
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: how you guys, I don't know level of excitement, Lance.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I know you always seem like a hundred for Rams games,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: but there were certain games that my level for excitement
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: for that game last night.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Was very low. Well, I mean, you go out, you
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: have 14 penalties. Yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: And you win the game on the road as an 0-14.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what happens when you turn it over.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: You're minus three in turnovers, the home team in Dallas.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I just, what a messy, sloppy game.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Like, I was too embarrassed to admit it on the air,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: but I was going to have the quad box going
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: with the two college football games I wanted, and then
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Forrester's White Sox playing And I guess three college in
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the White Sox. And my third, my other side TV,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I was going to have the Bucs on. And I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: was just going to watch all the Saban all night
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: long and glance over at that during boring part. But
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I started with the Bucs on and, you know, after
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that first drive, I was like, OK, here we go.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Seven nothing.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: When they came back and drove the whole first quarter
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and punched it in, I was like. All right, I'll
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: keep watching this. And it ended up being a fun game.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was at our friend's at Walcons. I actually
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: ran into Brown and his family there.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Post-soccer practice.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: But I was there with a couple of buddies, and
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: there was a guy across the bar, one of our listeners,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: and he was like, you're playing the Cowboys tonight.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm not playing the Cowboys. He
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: was like, it is easy money. Easy money. Everybody thought.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That's what you're like, dang it, I should have played.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. No, absolutely.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Righteous gemstone yesterday. I'm good up to 13 and a
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: half points, remember?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I do. First really outright loss.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Quickly, last night, UTSA big winner over USF, 31-24 entertaining
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: football game down at the Alamo Dome.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Two-point conversion gave us the cover. Wow. Right there at
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the end with five seconds. That's when you're for the two, right?
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that because we've been getting burned on
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: the other side of those. That was a back-and-forth game.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: It looked like Brian Hartland's got a– I didn't realize
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: he has a sleeve tat.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, does he? I did not know that either. You
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: don't see a lot of head coaches. You don't. You'll
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: see more in the future. More in the future, absolutely.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Hopefully you had the over in the South Alabama-Arkansas State game, 56-49.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: It's like a video game.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: And I hate it because I tell you what, I
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: saw Butch Jones get off the bus, and he was
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: dressed like the Redneck Gangster.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, come on, Butch.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: It was like my daughter, like I said, she was
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: at home. She's a South Alabama student. She had the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: game on her phone. She goes, Dad, this is second quarter, 38-24.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, that's not right.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, you.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Know, I think she was using ESPN app. I was like,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: apps are wrong. Just go find it somewhere else.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: And I pulled it up.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, there's 38 seconds left to go
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: in the second quarter. And it's 24. It's like defense
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: optional in that one. And then there's Forrester. Forrester, can
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: we get your microphone? Welfare check this morning. Guardians beat
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the White Sox 9-5. Good news is, if you win
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: this series, Forrester, the streak to, what was it, 19-oh-whatever?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: 19-06.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: 19-06, the Clencher series at home. You're not going to
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: do it. You're back to Cleveland now for a decisive
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: game five. What's your sweat level, pucker level?
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just bummed.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Like, they, there's so many guys who are just coming
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: up so small in the moment right now.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: You've got a bunch of accoutrements, don't you?
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: 31 strikeouts in these two games in Chicago.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: It's hard to do. 12 more last night.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: I came in the office early this morning, and I
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: was talking to Forrester about this, and we were talking
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: about the decision for Gavin Williams to go in the
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: game when the game's over in the ninth. First time
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: he's ever had a relief appearance, and now they're talking
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: about starting him tomorrow night in game five.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Like, why do you bring him in and let him
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: throw there?
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: I'm glad they did.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you are.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Now, just for historical facts, The last time a team
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: blew an 0-2 lead in a best-of-five, you've got to
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: go back to 2017. It was the Yankees over the Guardians.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Ninety-three times this has happened. Eighty-three and ten are the
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: teams that go up 2-0. So history is on Forrester's side,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: but I tell you, the momentum, man.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: But back in Cleveland, which seems to be an advantage
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: for your White Sox, they haven't lost this postseason.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: On the road.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: So we're cheering for you on Saturday. I won't watch
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: it for sure, but I'll be cheering for you right
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: here where it counts.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Let me know how it turns out.
• 25:03
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it starts with, you know, we anointed Louisville
• 26:45
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  Speaker 3: We were like, I think we all agree this team
• 26:50
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Keen Holtz looked that good. He's a little
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  Speaker 3: defense for Florida State was dominant. They gave up 206
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: total yards. They gave up 50 on the ground to
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: a Virginia team that was running at will early this season.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: They had 10 sacks. Ashton Daniels, five total touchdowns. Florida
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: State's coming in on a roll right now. I heard
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: their play-by-play guy this morning. You probably heard the same thing, Dunaway.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard him this morning on
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Roy and Danny.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Firstly, I turned it off because.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Roy was having connection problems, and that gives me such
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: high anxiety.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I turned it off. I do hate the fact that
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of these. Roy was digitizing. He was.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: A lot of these games or a lot of these shows,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: you know, you got Roy in Salt Lake City, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: where's Danny?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I think just at his home studio. Yeah. He's in
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: New York midweek.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're always, you know, split staff, and it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: just so difficult to do these shows because, I mean,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: we're reading off each other and looking at each other
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: in the eyes and that kind of stuff.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but add to it the connection problems when it's like,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I tell you, Jordan, And Keith, oh, God, I can't
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I cannot do it. But Florida State fans are like
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: excited now. It's so weird.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: You know, you go back and, you know, before the
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: season started, there was no chance that he was going
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: to be able to survive. And they lose a tight
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: game to Louisville. And then they play Alabama as well
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: as anybody's played Alabama. And now they think they've got
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: a fighting shot to make a little run in the ACC.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: And we'll see if they're able to get the road
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: win tonight. And this would be a bad loss for
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Jeff Brown based on what the expectation for this Louisville
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: team was.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: And he's lost two that he shouldn't have lost. Well,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: but I mean, Jeff Brum does his best work against
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the better teams he plays.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know what this is.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're favored, but it's like when he plays SMU,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: who's nationally ranked, he wins those games. And it's when
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: he plays a banged up NC State team or Wake,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: he loses those games. I don't know if Florida State
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: falls on that spectrum. Like they're better than I thought
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: they were going to be this year. To the point
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: that they were talking in the chat yesterday, somebody was
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: talking about the word in Tallahassee is now that Norvell
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: is to the point where they're like, OK, instead of
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: buying him out, let's put that money into NIL and
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: see if this guy can actually win here.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: That's right. Which I guess that's the new world we
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: live in.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: And it's going to be a frustrating world for fans
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: because I think all those fans had sailed the ship
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: on Norvell. And if you keep him, it's going to
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: be a little deflating.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I hate guys losing their job. The golden
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: parachute that he will get.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: It's more about the assistance and all of that, but
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: we've got a big enough sample size. He's had two
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: good years. He's had three really bad years. I still
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: think he's got a lot of losses coming up.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Um, But everybody's going to start pointing to Fickle.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: If Fickle can get this, continue this at Wisconsin, everybody's
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: going to say, see, instead of just pulling the trigger
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and firing a guy, give him the resources and see
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: if he can win before you fire him. Now, you
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: ought to give them the resources on the front end.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: It shouldn't take sucking for you to have to get
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the resources.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: But how did Florida State not have the resources before?
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Like, Florida State, when everybody was cheating, Florida State was
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: the best in the business.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Now you can legally pay. So, like, you're paying above board.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: How are they not having at least success in the ACC?
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: When's the last time Duke lost an ACC game?
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: That's a great point. Not this year.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: They've won nine straight right now or going for their
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: ninth straight. I'll tell you this about tonight's game, though.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Keen Holtz has been on the injury report. He's going
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to play. He's down to probable now. But this Florida
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: State defense has cranked it up. They had 10 sacks
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: last week. I mean, that's getting after the quarterback. And,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you know, there was a time I thought Virginia was
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the second best team.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: And the ACC. The ACC has become an enigma. It's Wake.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Wake's your second best game. I mean, I think Wake's
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: going to lose tomorrow to NC State.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to play because it's an 11 o'clock game,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: but I think they're going to go into Raleigh. I
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: think everybody's saying what you're saying right now. I don't disagree.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, Jake Dickert, I got to tell you guys
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: this because I came across. This is pretty amazing.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, damn. I don't have it right here. I thought
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I think Wake has won like 10 of their last
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: 13 or something.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, and nobody pays attention to it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds right, 10 of 13. And that guy
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: can flat coach. He will not be awake long.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I've got a note here. I didn't think Joe
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Lopez could play this slow. Me neither.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: And that is an indictment on Jake Dickert. Well, that
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: and Jake Dickert, what he can do with a quarterback.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Jake Dickert, just close your eyes.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Jobs that where you may not be getting enough out
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: of your head coach. if South Carolina came open, could
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: you close your eyes and see Jake Dickard there?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, I could. I mean, Dickard's got to take that job, right? Yeah.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because I look at guys like
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Dave Braun. I don't think Dave Braun would leave Northwestern now.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: We know Cignetti's not going to leave Indiana. Wake is
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: still one of those jobs you leave.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: You've got to leave. You've got to leave. What about
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: in the ACC, North Carolina?
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: If this Belichick thing goes deep-rooted and he doesn't want
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: to coach anymore or they don't want him, would you
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: leave Wake for Carolina?
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: I could.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: You know, Dickert seems like one of those guys where
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: he wouldn't want to slap him in the face. That
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: seems like a slap in the face going across the street.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But we all agree he can coach. No doubt.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I'll go to Blue Bloods then. If Michigan thinks Jake
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Dickert is the future, what about Michigan?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, you do. He'd take it in a heartbeat. Now,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: would Michigan do that? I don't know. But you're the
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Michigan AD. I think he's proven enough.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I do want to see the rest of this year. Now,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: he did a hell of a job quietly last year.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: What he was doing at Wazoo was next level. That
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: offense was great. So I think he's shown enough, especially
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: if they can kind of close the deal, win eight
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: or nine games this year.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have a problem with that. If Lincoln Riley
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: loses at Penn State, continues to swirl.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Jake Dicker to USC, too big of a job? I mean, maybe,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: but we can only see. I love the offense. He's
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: got some West Coast ties, obviously. He came from Washington State,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: for those that don't know. Came from Washington State. The
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: only reason he left Washington State for Wake was he–
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Like everybody else there.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: He had no clue about Washington State's future.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Well, you think about the only reason he got the
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Washington State job is because Rolovich wouldn't get the vaccine.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't get the vaccine, and Jake Dickert got the job.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: He was like, I'll take the vaccine if you're going
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: to give me the head job. I couldn't tell you
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: where Rolovich is. I'll tell you. Rolovich is the quarterback
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: coach at, I'll think of it in a second. So
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: he's an assistant coach in college. I think he's at Cal.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I was going to say either Cal or Stanford. I
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: thought he was in the Bay Area. Either way, it
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: ain't going well for him.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Both of those suck. Cal's got a pretty good quarterback. Well,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: they've got a good quarterback.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: But if you're the quarterback coach, I'm not worried about
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the rest of you.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: That is very selfish.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: My favorite part is Lance has got that one nailed.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: So every time we go Cal, he's going to say
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the name. Set him up right there to say the quarterback.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: It's Sagapula Telly. That's right. So that's Jake Dickard.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: And not playing tonight, but we got to him on
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the Florida State-Louisville side. Iowa and Washington tonight. I'm not
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: a gambler. Well documented on the show. With injured Iowa,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I did take the over in the Righteous Gemstones, but
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: this is Washington all day long. I don't try to
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: read your mind, but is this Washington all day long tonight?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Hank Brown is out. Is that why you're saying that?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Because Hank Brown's out for Iowa? Hank Brown's out for Iowa,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: and they struggle offensively.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Heglinski came in and actually played better than Hank Brown.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I think they've got bad quarterback on bad quarterback right now.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: DeMond Williams is playing okay right now for Jetfish. They've
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: lost back-to-back, but tough losses. You know, they lost by
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: three to Minnesota, by four to USC in the Coliseum.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: You're probably right here. LanceIsLock.com to get official plays. I
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: don't know if you can play on that game or not.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: I'm giving it out as a free play.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Washington. I do like Washington a lot. 3-0 this week.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: In college football, by the way.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: When you're going against a backup Iowa quarterback, you feel
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: pretty good about it, I would imagine, right?
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want the staff to tell me.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I will tell you, man.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: You know, Ferentz is one of those guys, it's hard
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: to dislike him because long as he's in your coach,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: he does things the right way.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: The donation to the children's hospital, all those things, yeah.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Dead fish watching him. He is just one of those coaches.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Easy to dislike.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is impossible to like. And then there is
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Iowa State BYU. And should BYU be on upset alert tonight?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: with Aiden Flora and his multitude of ways coming in
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: to score touchdowns. He can run them, he can throw them,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: and he's not the quarterback.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a former quarterback that they list him as
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: a halfback, but he's averaging over eight yards a carry.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: He was, you know, back-to-back walk-ons at Iowa State, had
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: 15 total carries in his first two years under Matt Campbell. Campbell,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Rogers comes in from Washington State, brings 83 new
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: players with him, gives this kid an opportunity, and he
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: has been tearing it up. He destroyed West Virginia on
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the ground. I think Iowa State playing with a lot
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: of confidence. Their loss is 14 to Utah. They lost
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: to three in the Cy Hawk Trophy to Iowa. They're
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: playing with a ton of confidence right now, and no L.J.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Martin.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: That offense is broken for BYU. I think Iowa State,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: I stayed away from it. I think Iowa State has
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: got an opportunity as a live dog, but at the
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: same time, I could see BYU's defense just come show out.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: But the look-ahead factor is what worries you the most
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: about BYU, right? The fact that they've got Notre Dame
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: at their place in primetime next week. And the fact
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: that you don't have Martin and you don't have Glasker,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: their big linebacker on defense.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, L.J. Martin's going to be out for
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: the Notre Dame game.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know how they're going to manufacture any offense
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: against Notre Dame. I thought just from afar a couple
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: of weeks ago BYU would be able to win that game,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: but I don't know how they do it now.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Alabama hosting Georgia is where we're at in Tuscaloosa, and
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: it's free, our location.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: And we're here all day long. The doors will open
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: at 11. We're here till 1.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And just will be a lot of fun all day
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: before the storm blows in tonight and then rains and
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: hopefully gets out of here early afternoon tomorrow. But the
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: game is scheduled to start on time, Georgia and Alabama,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: 630 tomorrow night. Game day will be inside Coleman Coliseum, though,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: and you can start lining up for that right before
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: sunrise tomorrow morning. It'll be interesting to see how that
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: game plays out. Tyler, if you can give me cut
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: number four. This is Kane Womack, Alabama's defensive coordinator and
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said here because Gunnar
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Stockton is such a a wonderful runner of the football
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: from the quarterback position Georgia can run that run it
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: as a team traditional run game but they are also
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: able to burn you with passes to an elite tight
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: end room and some up-and-coming wide receivers here's Kane Womack
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: on what he tries to tell his defense when they
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: have the prime time stage like they do this week
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: against Georgia.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Big stage Georgia at What's kind of the expectation?
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: How did you see them respond last week?
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: And what's kind of the message to them heading into
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: this one? Nothing.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Keep playing football. Keep doing your job. I mean, this
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: is they came here to play in the SEC. They
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: came here to play in big moments. And I think
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: the guys that I've seen that are successful here are
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: the ones that have the inner confidence to know that
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: they're going to be able to execute in the biggest moments.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: And so great players always step up in the biggest moments.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: And those guys, I think, are starting. We're starting to
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: see that they're starting to do that. But, you know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: you don't make it more than what it is. I
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: think you, you know, this is another week in the SEC.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: I know that, you know, there's always narratives when college
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: game day and all that stuff comes.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: And that's great. It's awesome.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: That's what this place, you know, we should be doing.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: But ultimately, right, this is us continuing to elevate our
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: game and just get better in the little details for
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: things that we need to get better in.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: In Womack there. And I would say this.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I saw Brooks Austin, the film guy who's on our
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: show earlier this week, breaking down Alabama's defense. And he
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: says they're one of the better defenses. He's seen it
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: lying to you because they're not in the straight man-to-man
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: And he's like, you can't lie in man-to-man. Man-to-man is man-to-man.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: But in the zones... The way he does the zones
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: is very confusing for the quarterback.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Well, you saw it on that second possession last weekend
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: against Mississippi State and how they snuck in in that
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: pick six. I mean, they've got four defensive touchdowns. And
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: as many big plays as this Alabama defense has given up,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: they're making big plays on the other side. Look, they're
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: only giving up 78 yards per game on the ground,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: which is 10th nationally. But they're plus seven in turnover.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: So they're forcing a lot of turnovers. And when you've
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: got that high-powered offense, you're forcing turnovers, you're scoring some defensively.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: It's a big deal.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: You know, there were a lot of big plays in
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: that game in Athens last year where Alabama went in
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: and upset Georgia. But there were none bigger than that L.T.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Overton play down on the goal line where Kirby kind
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: of got a little bit greedy, went for.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: It on fourth down. They run the cash kid. Yeah.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Cash Warren, a pitch to Warren. I know That was
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: almost as bad as Auburn's fourth down.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: It really was.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: But he's got the corner, except for the fact that
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: LT Overton makes a tremendous individual play and trips him.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, stayed at home, didn't get fooled.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: That's right, makes a tremendous play in trips. I mean,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: it's plays like that that will determine this game on
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: either side, just a.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Small play here or there.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: And I do wonder, you know, with Bowens not playing
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: and Nate Frazier, the ribs really banged up, like, you know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: they're kind of short-staffed right now at running back.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Of Bo Walker in the shoot for the Georgia run game.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: So we'll see what they have in this game. Georgia,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: by the way, off to their best scoring offense since 1910.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: for the Georgia Bulldogs. So they're doing a wonderful job
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: scoring points. In the chat room when we come back,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I want to know how the Georgia and Alabama fans
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: are feeling. We'll get to some of those in the chat.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: So if you're a Tide or Dog fan, let us
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: know how you feel about this sort of a test
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: where you are as we approach the halfway point of
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: the season. Georgia and Alabama, 6.30 tomorrow night. Some other
• 40:26
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• 40:29
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• 40:41
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• 40:47
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• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I know this has been talked about, but to have
• 40:52
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• 40:56
  Speaker 1: after playing Georgia is tough. I hope we can get
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: at least one of them. That's one fan of a fan.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: What do you think the Tennessee follow up? next week
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: after playing Georgia. Tennessee's got to play Alabama after playing
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: at Arkansas.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Are those not alike? No, Alabama's going to be
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: beat to hell and back.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: But we've talked about the gauntlet that is the SEC
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: week in and week out. And, you know, to me,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I do think Tennessee's got a good defense. If Deshaun
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Bishop is on, then Tennessee's got a fighting shot. But
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: this doesn't look like the challenge it was at the
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: beginning of the year to me.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I think you've only felt better about that trip to
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Knoxville after watching Tennessee's offense. And again, They're starting a
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: quarterback that did not start the season for them. They've
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: gone to their backup against Arkansas this week. We'll see
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: how that looks. If you're a Bama fan, I think
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: you probably want them to come out of that game
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: just as murky at quarterback as they go into the game.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and what if McIntyre, again, they're going to beat Arkansas.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how bad he plays. Arkansas is just
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: that team right now. But if he goes out and
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: throws a pick six and it's shaky, like what are
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: you doing at that point if you're hype?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I think your worst case for hypo is if he's
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: just mid. Like if he's really, really good, you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to start him against Bama. If
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: he's really, really bad, you're like, all right, Faison, you
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: got to see your backup. We're better with you.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: But if he's in the middle, what do you do? Yeah,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I think it's to the point right now, and I'm
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: just guessing, based on a normal 18- or 19-year-old, Faison
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: is super pissed right now. Like, how did I come here?
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I committed to you guys. You said it was my job. Well,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: show me how pissed you are if I put you
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: back in the game. That's what you got to do.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, he does have to perform. There's no doubt.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: You got to be able to execute. But these kids now, man,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: you bench them.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: They're out.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite parts of the doc last night,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: and he never came across as this guy, but you
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: never see him behind the scenes. Jalen Hurd's so polished
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: when he's in front of a camera, right? They're interviewing him,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and he's like, I get to Alabama, you know, and
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I show up, and they got all these big recruits
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: that are in the quarterback room, and he looks back,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and he's like, and he says it. They don't beep
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: out anything. It's adult language. He says, I'm going to
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: run all these MFers off. But he says MFers. He
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: says it out loud. And he said it really confident.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: He ended up doing it, of course. So he ended
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: up being over Blake Barnett and all that.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I did hear a quick bite that they played this
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: morning on one of the shows that I was listening
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: to on the way down. And I was wondering, because
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: you said it was more Michigan State in that first episode.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: but it was the Brian Dable, Nick Saban conversation at
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: halftime of the national championship game.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I believe that's episode two or three. It all dropped.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: No, it's the, it's the one everyone's talking about because
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: it is the camera inside the locker room at the
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: halftime of the national championship game, Georgia, Alabama weekend. And
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Saban is telling the story. You don't see this part.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: He's like, you know, I tell him we're going to,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: we're going to switch. We're going to go to Tua. And,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: all the coaches apparently like, are you, no, you're joking, right?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: And he's like, no, we're doing it. And the table goes,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: who's going, who's going to tell it? And Saban says,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I guess you want me to, I would have been like, who,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and you're the offensive coordinator.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: You tell him, but Saban, yeah, I was like, I'll
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: tell him. And, but it's got the sound of him
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: telling it does. You actually see it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Uh, but you know, in very Jim Dunaway, I mean,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I think we all would do it in that tough situation. Uh,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: he comes out and he's like, we're going to go
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: with you in the second half. Um, stay ready, we'll
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: probably play two. It's Jay Lockwood, we'll probably play two.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Or he slides it by. That was a tough first half. Hey,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: by the way, two is going to be playing. Technically,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: they did play two because you remember Hertz had to
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: come in What was it? He had to come in
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: to center the ball for that, what they thought was
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. That's right.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Because Tua had never taken, Tua couldn't take snaps under center,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: could he? Or they didn't trust him to? So Hurtz
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: practiced it or there was a better runner. Yeah, there
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: was some reason Hurtz had to come back in to
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: center the ball for that field goal. And I can't
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: remember exactly the reason, but I think it was the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: under center snaps. I think they were afraid to put
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Tua in that situation because he hadn't done it in
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised we don't talk about that more.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is... That is the ultimate flex.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: The national championship, you go to a quarterback that hadn't
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: started the game.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I know. I didn't know all the other coaches were like, really?
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Really? We're saying the same thing, weren't
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: you guys?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, if you go back to that season,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Saban was overly loyal to Jalen Hurts. That had already
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: shown its head. That situation had shown its head in Starkville, Mississippi.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: And I know it's a late-in-the-season change if you do that.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: But then it showed its head again at.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: The Iron Bowl when Alabama was up at half or
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: went up right after the half and then got drubbed
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: because he couldn't move the football so it kept showing
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: its head that you had a quarterback issue last thing
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: on the documentary before you tell us about clay travis
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: law was uh they went into heavy on him exiting
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: the dolphins coming to alabama it's one of those docs
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: where it's like it's 2007 or but then it goes
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: back timelines right back to him back and forth and
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: it shows all of his news conference leading up to
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: the one we all heard but it was like five
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: different news conferences that he was just getting peppered with
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Alabama questions. And they still had those games. And he's like, finally,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: you know, I said what I said. And then it
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: had Jimmy Sexton, who comes off really good at this.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: And Jimmy Sexton goes, he called me instantly. He walked
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: out of the news conference, called me and said, hey,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: I just screwed up. And I guess I can't take
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: the Alabama job now. And Sexton said, I banged on
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: my table and I said, no, Nick, I'm not going
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: to let you because you made one slip of the
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: tongue in a news conference, fence yourself in from not
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: taking a job that's better for you. I'm not going
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: to let you do that. And I'm sure Jimmy was like,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: I do it all the time.
• 46:18
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• 46:21
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• 46:23
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• 46:25
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• 46:56
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• 47:02
  Speaker 2: too small. There's some confidence among Alabama fans in the
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: chat as this week has gone. A lot of confidence
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: in Alabama's fan base. Don't you think? Well, yeah. I mean,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: this did go from, and I understand it.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, when Alabama looks this explosive on offense, when
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: you're able to take that offense on the road and
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: score the points the way they looked in the second
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: half against Kentucky, the way they looked last week in Starkville,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: I understand the confidence. But it is amazing because a
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, talking to Alabama fans, damn, Georgia's
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: a beast.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: We're probably going to drop Georgia. But as long as
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: we only drop one more, go 10-2, we get in
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: the college football playoff. And now Alabama fans, almost all
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: of them, I've maybe talked to one or two that
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: are like, I don't know about this.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: But everybody else is like, we're going to win this game.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: When is the last time Alabama was favored over Georgia?
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: It's been a minute, hasn't it?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Obviously not in the SEC championship, not in the game
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: in Athens.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think the game in DeBoer's first year, Georgia
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: was favored in that game, were they not?
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And then prior to that.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I think national championship in Indianapolis, I think.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Alabama was favored. Whoa, did they go off as a favorite?
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I think they did. Okay.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Because remember, they went from they had no shot in
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: that SEC championship game to dominating Georgia.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: And I think that they were a short favorite in
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: that game.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: But then they lost. Was it Jamison Williams? Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: The only concern about the confidence, and I do feel
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: like Alabama has a target on its back this week
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: after all the love Keelan Russell is getting nationally. All
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the conversations you have about this Alabama team looks for real.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: This Alabama team looks like they're a contender. And then
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the SEC this year, it has been that yin and
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: the yang. It's been Ole Miss is up, then they
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: lose to Florida. Florida's up, then they lose to Missouri.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Is it Mississippi State's up, and then they.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Lose to Alabama? I think that is the so-called September teams.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: I think we're going to see it with Missouri. I
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: think Missouri is good, but I think A & M
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: will find a way to win. I'm not going to
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: play that game because it's at 11 o'clock. But I
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: think these two are elite teams, so I think it
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: is a little bit different in that regard.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: You know who's hurting your business?
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: The SEC, and he has been doing these flex times,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: locking good games into 11 o'clock.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's some really good 11 o'clock games, at
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: least games that I would like to play tomorrow.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Samuel says, tons of talk about Keelan Russell, but I
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: think this game is where EJ Cruel puts college football
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: world on notice. I was just looking at this. Alabama
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: actually sent this out, Alabama football. football sent this out.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Pro football focus, the highest rated freshman running back in America.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Is EJ Cruel. Wow.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: So a guy that has struggled really to get on
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: the field as much as people thought he would for
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: whatever reason. I mean, we played Ryan Grubb explaining why yesterday.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Part of it is pass protection. Part of it is,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: you know, some other things, understanding the offense. Yet this
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: guy's the highest-rated freshman running back in the entire country,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: according to Pro Football Focus.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Well, last year you couldn't get explosive runs with this
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Alabama offense. The last explosive run I remember was that
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Daniel Hill carry that we kind of laughed about last year,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: and I forgot what game that was. But every single
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: game he's played and he's had an explosive run. We
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: went through the numbers yesterday, 19, 29, 36. I mean,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: this guy is great when he's got the ball in hand,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: but it's the other little nuances of the game he's
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: got to figure out. And once he figures them out,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: we talked about it yesterday, he's probably going to be
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: the next great Alabama running back.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Troy says, prepare for Kirby to take the absolute air
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: out of the ball. I expect him to try to 15,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: 20 play drives. The problem with that is the health
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: at running back right now. They're banged up at running back,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: to which Zach responds, I bet you Frazier is healthy
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: for this game.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, but ribs, I mean, look. I've had sore ribs.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: I've never had like broken ribs. But when you're getting
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: hit and you know Alabama's going for those ribs.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: No doubt.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: And those jackets, the flap jackets you wear to protect them,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: they only protect them from getting more fractured, more cracked.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: They don't ease the pain too much. Absorb it a
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: little bit, but you're going to feel it. The syrup
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: helps absorb.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: But you do wonder when you get down to the
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: third and fourth guy, ball security, especially in elements.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: We're expecting it to be relatively dry. Again, they've got
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: the sub air system at Bryant Denny Stadium. That's the
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: best technology you could ever have in a situation like this.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: So I don't think the playing field is going to
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: be an issue at all, no matter how much it rains.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something to look forward to. One more comment
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: before we get to Furman on the other side.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Jay Bakes says, I don't think Gunnar Stockton has played
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: in an environment like he will tomorrow, to which Sam
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Robinson says Gunnar Stockton's played in multiple crazy environments.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: This will not be a first for him. He has.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: The moment will not be too big for Gunnar Sokka.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: I can guarantee you that.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: To me, it's Alabama's offensive line. We finally find out
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: if they are good because this front seven is different
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: than what Alabama's faced so far. So is this Alabama
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: offensive line? It's almost like a final exam. Are they
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: who we think they are in this game?
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: We'll find out. They have passed every week.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Georgia's only given up 57 yards on the ground, which
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: is third in the FBS. If they pass this again
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: and they're able to run the football effectively on Georgia,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: watch out for Alabama.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Todd Furman standing by in Las Vegas.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: We'll bring him in to talk about all the games
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: around the country and his gut feel on Georgia and
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Alabama as well when we come back to Historic.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: And it's free.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: It's the next round presented by Hard Rock Bet right
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: here on Sporting States.