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The Incel Trip | HBR Talk 401 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Machines, they laughed. Hello, welcome four oh one, the in
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  Speaker 1: Cell Trip Trip, The in Cell Trip. We are going
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  Speaker 1: back to an article we started yawns ago. It's actually
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  Speaker 1: this article. So we'll do a little bit of a recap.
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  Speaker 1: But we're still gonna skip most of what we already
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  Speaker 1: of the page. And so some people apparently this morning
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  Speaker 1: did one at this morning and one this afternoon. We
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  Speaker 1: So thank you Zapier, and thank you dark Kikimora. And
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  Speaker 1: with that we will get into the topic. Let me
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  Speaker 1: minimize my other page here though, because I can't see
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  Speaker 1: the topic. There we go. So so I think this
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  Speaker 1: is this is where I showed you guys like the
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  Speaker 1: thing that made me decide I was going to do this. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: this is the this is the lady that starts out
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  Speaker 1: talking about these guys like they're hateful, angry because they're
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  Speaker 1: angry and lonely and and they talk to each other
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  Speaker 1: and that's that's basically. It says they talk to each other,
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  Speaker 1: that makes them hateful, and of course then then she
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  Speaker 1: goes on on Reddit. There are whole groups which appear
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  Speaker 1: to be dedicated to blaming women for everything. One group
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  Speaker 1: called r slash Men's Rights has three hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 1: three eight hundred members, which is great because I can
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  Speaker 1: remember what I only had like a thousand. But we're
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  Speaker 1: all men there, see, So it's it's uh, and we
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  Speaker 1: all hate women, none of none of us who are
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  Speaker 1: female that that have been active on that subreddit are
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  Speaker 1: are real people. We don't exist. So I'm actually a
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  Speaker 1: figment of all y'all's imagination.
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  Speaker 2: I happen to know Hannah is a man. Of people
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  Speaker 2: on Twitter have assured me that Hannah cannot possibly be
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  Speaker 2: anything but a man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he assured me too. But my name is under
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  Speaker 1: mother on on one birth certificate, so uh, that's that's
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  Speaker 1: my woman card. It's the only woman card. I will
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  Speaker 1: accept that one comes with responsibilities.
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  Speaker 3: I was about to singing Danzig.
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  Speaker 1: Mama, that is right. But that's how we start with
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  Speaker 1: this learning about that, and then we discovered that she
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  Speaker 1: chose guys that she could make fun of, right, and
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  Speaker 1: and make fun she did, starting with you the story
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  Speaker 1: about one guy's penis, and then let's see what else
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  Speaker 1: we have with him. Oh no, Yeah, she linked Reddit
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  Speaker 1: to unite there and Discord to unite the right, even
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  Speaker 1: though there are literally millions of Discord servers, like from
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  Speaker 1: everything from crochet groups, which I will plead guilty to
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  Speaker 1: being in a couple of those two you know, every
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  Speaker 1: game you know and many that you don't, and probably
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  Speaker 1: quite a few that you don't care about, to people
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  Speaker 1: using discord for their work meetings and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: to you know, stuff like what we're doing. But it
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  Speaker 1: was totally just about planning that. And you know, she
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  Speaker 1: she couldn't talk about this guy right without saying nasty
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  Speaker 1: things about him. Let's see, what was it? This the
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  Speaker 1: ketchup thing, and maybe it wasn't ketchup yep, tomato sauce.
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  Speaker 1: She had to point out that he had tomato sauce
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  Speaker 1: around his mouth, right, ketchup on his mouth. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here as as I read this. This was
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  Speaker 1: This was the point where I was like, Yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: woman's attitude has to be put on display. This was
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  Speaker 1: a detail that you would only including an article if
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  Speaker 1: you were trying to humiliate the individual that you were interviewing,
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  Speaker 1: and anybody make anybody that you might associate with him
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  Speaker 1: embarrassed at that association. There's no other purpose for that.
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  Speaker 2: I A man having food around his mouth should, in
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  Speaker 2: any given context, should be a good thing, Like I
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  Speaker 2: kiss him and he and I get nutrition as a
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  Speaker 2: result of kissing him because he has fucking tomato sauce
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  Speaker 2: or tomato sauce around avess whatever it is. This, this
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  Speaker 2: covers various continents of this. And like my lady friend here, Lauren,
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  Speaker 2: very often wears lip bomb, and every time I kiss her,
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  Speaker 2: I get lip bomb on my own lips. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: well it, thank you. Not only do I get to
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  Speaker 2: experience the soft kiss of your own lips, but I
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  Speaker 2: also get lip balm adapted to my own lips.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well this is a win win there
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  Speaker 1: you go.
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  Speaker 2: Not only do I get to feel the softness of
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  Speaker 2: your face, my face becomes even softer, and and I
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  Speaker 2: I get to protect myself from moisturized exactly, I get you.
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  Speaker 2: I get to protect myself from from from the various
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  Speaker 2: dryings of nature. And and wait what were we talking
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  Speaker 2: about again? What was what was this bitches problem?
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  Speaker 1: Get this guy eating? He got food on his face
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  Speaker 1: while he was eating.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, well yeah yeah, you get to eat
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  Speaker 2: up when you kiss a man.
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  Speaker 4: But she's a journalist.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. The funny thing is, I don't know very
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  Speaker 1: many people who eat a pizza hut that don't get
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  Speaker 1: food on their face. Like if you if you want
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  Speaker 1: pizza that it has that is pretty well saturated in
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  Speaker 1: butter pizza Hut, even the deep dish, like the bottom
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  Speaker 1: part of it is pretty well saturated. But uh, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I I I just can't imagine. I think I get
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  Speaker 1: food on my face every time I eat it pizza Hut,
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  Speaker 1: which isn't very often because I can't handle it.
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  Speaker 2: This is one of the best things about having someone
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  Speaker 2: to kiss, Like, it doesn't matter what food you have
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  Speaker 2: on your face. You can you can just you can
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  Speaker 2: just kiss each other and then you get to ingest
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  Speaker 2: each other's food and you know, in a way that
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  Speaker 2: sounds gross, but in a way it's weirdly romantic.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. The dumb thing is like, what is
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  Speaker 1: this article about, right, She says she's writing about something
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  Speaker 1: she calls the in cell trap. So if I thought
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  Speaker 1: something was a trap, if I thought a group was
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  Speaker 1: conning people or miring people in uh in or into behaviors, lifestyles,
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  Speaker 1: whatever that are detrimental to them or dangerous to the public,
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  Speaker 1: believe me, when I was writing about them, I would
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  Speaker 1: be focusing on the details of that con or that uh,
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  Speaker 1: that that pit they're getting mired in, that that pattern
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  Speaker 1: of thinking that is so toxic and deadly and uh
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  Speaker 1: and uh, in closing that people couldn't escape from it.
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  Speaker 1: But what does she do. She focuses on making fun
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  Speaker 1: of these guys as human beings for being human, and like,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's the upshot of what I've seen in this
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  Speaker 1: part so far.
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  Speaker 4: That's and that's the that's the basis for every insult documentary.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, and I I haven't seen like. That seems to
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  Speaker 1: be the underlying theme in every article we've read about
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  Speaker 1: in self, even the one we've been looking at in
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  Speaker 1: the after show because it was old where they're The
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  Speaker 1: lady that recently asked on on at if in Cells
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  Speaker 1: would talk to her had written about the men's rights movement,
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  Speaker 1: and about in Cells, she seemed to be more bent
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  Speaker 1: on like. Even while admitting that men's issues are valid
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  Speaker 1: and men have reasonable positions on them, she still seemed
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  Speaker 1: to want to me one but.
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  Speaker 4: The only comminy I now because everything stopped working properly.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, and I think that that's a common thread with
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  Speaker 1: the women writers that I'm also seeing. It's like back
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  Speaker 1: in the day, you know, there used to be this
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  Speaker 1: thing and for people who like be horror movies and
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  Speaker 1: people who like memes, people will know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: There were several small and one really big company that
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  Speaker 1: used to travel around the United States, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: there were some in other countries as well, with circus
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  Speaker 1: shows in tents, and they would have, you know, different attractions.
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  Speaker 1: They'd have animals, they'd have acrobats, they'd have all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of different places set up. They'd have a little petting
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  Speaker 1: zoo with little animals, and they have big animals that
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  Speaker 1: you could look at. And in the big tent, in
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  Speaker 1: the show tint, there would be animal shows and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that. But then there would be off to the
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  Speaker 1: side somewhere there'd always be some this little area with
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  Speaker 1: either one tent or several tents, where people with something
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  Speaker 1: unique about them or unusual about them would put their
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  Speaker 1: unusualness on display. And it'd be things like the bearded
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  Speaker 1: lady or the sword swallower, or you know. Sometimes it'd
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  Speaker 1: be people who were born without certain limbs, and it
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  Speaker 1: was called freak shows, and they were referred to as freaks.
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  Speaker 1: They referred to themselves as freaks. And there were all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of different things, like people who were especially bendy
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  Speaker 1: back then that would go on America's Got Talent today
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  Speaker 1: and do spooky dances and stuff. They would have a
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  Speaker 1: tent there and they would do their act in that tent,
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  Speaker 1: and people used to that was their living right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of became politically incorrect and in the I
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  Speaker 1: want to say it started in the seventies, around the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, maybe the late seventies, and it went through
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  Speaker 1: the eighties the nineties. I think it still existed pretty heavily.
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  Speaker 1: During the early part of the twenty first century. It
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  Speaker 1: switched from being people who operate in tents in circuses
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  Speaker 1: two people going on various talk shows like the Jerry
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  Speaker 1: Springer Show and showing off their uniqueness, or it was
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  Speaker 1: for a different often a different type of freaks, like
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  Speaker 1: I think the infamous uh uh.
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  Speaker 4: Huh, The More Perfect Show Yep, Marin Povid, Sally Jessel Yep, Sally.
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  Speaker 1: Jesse Rafael, and Vicky Lawrence who was Mama on Mama's
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  Speaker 1: Family after she they started doing the sketch Mama's Family
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  Speaker 1: on on the Care Burnett Show. Vicky Lawrence had her show.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there were a bunch of different ones. Jerry
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  Speaker 1: Springer was the most famous, Heraldo Rivieria that people know
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  Speaker 1: now from Fox News, he had one. He did this
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  Speaker 1: this totally infamous interview with neo Nazis, and they beat
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  Speaker 1: him up. He got his nose broken a few times
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  Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, al Capone's fault. That was when he
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  Speaker 1: was doing his switch from crazy talk show guests to
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  Speaker 1: actual journalism and that flopped really badly. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: I still like the guy. He seems like he means
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  Speaker 1: well most of the time. But once that started to
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  Speaker 1: become politically incorrect, you know that that seems to have
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  Speaker 1: Then now we now we've got these articles. Look at
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  Speaker 1: these weirdos and what they do, look at the way
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  Speaker 1: they think. Aren't they strange? There's something wrong with these people?
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  Speaker 1: Horror hor horror, and it's clickbait, and they do it
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  Speaker 1: with people who are who have valid concerns, who are suffering,
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  Speaker 1: and who have needs that really should be met, that
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  Speaker 1: that aren't being met, and because the rest of society
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  Speaker 1: would prefer to just pretend they don't exist instead, and
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  Speaker 1: that that includes a large portion of the manisphere.
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  Speaker 4: And so you see, it's supposedly the pick up artists
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  Speaker 4: and the red pillars make it. Tell guys and some
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  Speaker 4: m RI is done like in cels.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know some m ris don't like anybody who's
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  Speaker 1: not an m RA. But the thing is the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the public they don't mostly know what's going on,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of these journalists really would prefer if
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  Speaker 1: we just disappeared there are no more men's rights activism,
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  Speaker 1: that they could just get back to promoting the feminist
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  Speaker 1: narratives that everything in women's lives is bad and it's
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  Speaker 1: all men's fault and men have to do something about it.
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  Speaker 1: In capital letters, you know, they they would rather just
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  Speaker 1: we we uh get out of the way that. But
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  Speaker 1: since we don't, this is what they do. They find
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  Speaker 1: people like Alex, who has valid points. For instance, the
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  Speaker 1: statement here, it's offensive to be quite frank me being
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  Speaker 1: told I'm responsible for the violence of other men, he says.
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  Speaker 1: When Alex warms to a theme, he talks faster and
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  Speaker 1: louder and vibrates with anger, like he's orating from his
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  Speaker 1: pizza hut pulpit. See, she has to minimize that because
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  Speaker 1: what he's saying, what he's saying is valid and right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but she's just got to find some way to
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  Speaker 5: dunk on him because that makes her the moral majority.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, it adds Yeah, It's very much like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you had somebody come into a retail establishment. Let's
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  Speaker 1: say you worked in a retail establishment and you sell
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  Speaker 1: you sell cheap three pronged widgets, and then you sell fancy,
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  Speaker 1: high quality, more expensive three pronged widgets, and Bob wants
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  Speaker 1: the high quality, so he's willing to pay the price
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  Speaker 1: for the fancy three pronged widget. But you're always out
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  Speaker 1: of those. And he comes in one day and he complains.
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  Speaker 1: He says, are you going to order more of those?
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  Speaker 1: Because every time I come in, you're out of them
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  Speaker 1: and I really need one. And instead of saying, you know, well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll get them in on this day, I'll make sure
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  Speaker 1: we have a few extras, you know, anything that you
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  Speaker 1: would say for a customer. You look at him and
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  Speaker 1: you say, you drive a fucking dump truck, like so,
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  Speaker 1: or let's see what else? What else do women look
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  Speaker 1: at as something they can look down on too much?
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  Speaker 1: Facial hair on your neck?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, your hair, your clothes, if you have a disciplity, yep, yep, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: why would you need the fancy Don't talk to me
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  Speaker 5: about the fancy three pronged widget.
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  Speaker 1: You'll walk with a limp what's wrong with you? Just
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  Speaker 1: go get the other one, you know, like it's completely unrelated.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if he's talking loud, It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: if he's if he's a little nerdy in the way
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  Speaker 1: that he explains to you what he's thinking. The thought
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  Speaker 1: he's expressing isn't wrong. It is fucking offensive to be
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  Speaker 1: told that you're responsible for other people's actions, the guys.
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  Speaker 4: The guy is probably ugly. That's why she takes offense
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  Speaker 4: of what he's saying. If it was Califer, if it
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  Speaker 4: was Caliper talking, she was.
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  Speaker 1: Would quite possibly, although he is defending men, which might
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  Speaker 1: make you know, I think this woman is probably a feminist.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm told on good authority that women don't care
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  Speaker 2: if you're ugly. They only only care if you're rich. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's very much both. We are at that stage
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  Speaker 2: where modern women are at that stage where they're not
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  Speaker 2: interested if you're ugly, and they're not interested if you're poor.
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  Speaker 2: Like either, yeah, you're a millionaire and you're ugly, women
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  Speaker 2: don't give a shit. You're you're beautiful, but you're poor. Well,
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  Speaker 2: women could extend themselves to give a ship, but at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day. They're they're looking for someone
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  Speaker 2: who is beautiful and rich. Yeah, so deal with that
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  Speaker 2: as best you can do. Implement.
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  Speaker 1: They will fuck your brains out if you're beautiful in port.
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  Speaker 6: But women marry, but we'remen have to take an every
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  Speaker 6: clip away from them that they have. So they made it,
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  Speaker 6: made every clipman have illegal or they made it video games.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they made we're wen have made video games. Pause
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  Speaker 4: what ten Colfe is.
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  Speaker 1: It's been an ongoing tragedy, honestly, and and the sad
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  Speaker 1: thing is it isn't It isn't just video games, it's
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  Speaker 1: just games games in general. That the tabletop games were
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  Speaker 1: under attack before video games even And I can even remember,
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  Speaker 1: I can remember when it was hard for me to
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  Speaker 1: find another female gamer that played tabletop RPG type games.
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  Speaker 1: Like if I was at at somebody's party and somebody
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  Speaker 1: would get out, you know, Monopoly or one of those
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  Speaker 1: traditional like, there'd be plenty of people both sexes interested.
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  Speaker 1: But if I was looking for somebody to play Dungeons
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  Speaker 1: and Dragons with, it was always gonna be guys, because
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  Speaker 1: there there weren't. I couldn't find another girl in my
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  Speaker 1: whole school that even knew anything about that game, like
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  Speaker 1: they didn't. If you just said, hey, you want to
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  Speaker 1: go play Dungeons and Dragons, they would have thought you
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  Speaker 1: were inviting them to something nefarious. And that was the
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  Speaker 1: most well known. Like if you said, hey, you want
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  Speaker 1: to go play teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, they would have
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  Speaker 1: looked at you like you grew a second head. Is
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  Speaker 1: that a board game? What is that?
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  Speaker 2: What is it about?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 1: And and and you get more obscure than that. It's
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  Speaker 1: it goes downhill from there, right, so you know, like
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  Speaker 1: they none of them ever heard of Star Frontiers, none
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: of them ever heard of Gamble World, and certainly none
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: of them ever heard of Tales from the Floating Vagabond.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, and and feminist would would definitely just
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: as uh senior Stix says, they would call me a
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: misogynist for saying that, But it was it was my experience,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: like I was a sophomore in college. Before I was
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a sophomore in college, the first time I met another
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: woman who played tabletop RPGs. Of course I didn't go
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to gaming conventions so but but like the whole time
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I was in high school, uh going to other high
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: schools to photograph, sporting events and all kinds of stuff.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Never saw anybody come to school in any kind of
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: clothing that that, you know, advertised, any kind of tabletop
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: RPG like all that stuff. You kept it under wraps
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: if you did that, so that you didn't get a
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: wedgie that went up so high you could taste it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: You know, you didn't get to explore the sewers well
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: while your hair was being styled via a toilet bowl.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: But but yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: It was very much like all all dudes, you know.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't something that I would complain about, like
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: it was fun because I was involved with creative people.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: But all of a sudden in the mid nineties, more
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: young women started to discover this, this gaming environment. Female
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: nerds started to realize that that's what all the guys
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: were doing on the weekends that were too scared to
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: ask them out or had already gotten married. And so
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: while the the jocks had football widows sitting at home,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the nerds had D and D widows sitting at home,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and a lot of them their wives wouldn't even try it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Like I have to give credit at least to one
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: one woman. She did try it. She didn't like it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: It wasn't her thing. She wasn't into playing pretend, so
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: she wasn't into that, but she at least gave it
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: a chance, which was which was very big of her.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, it wasn't until the mid
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: nineties that you really started seeing you had to be
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: in an area where there was really prolific RPG gaming
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: culture to find another female And once it became a
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: more female saturated hobby, then you started to see female
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: criticism of gameplay. That's too violent, that's too sexual, right,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: that's too harsh. These rules, these these these house rules,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I don't like them. Can't we just go by the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: standard rules or these standard rules? I'm not I'm disadvantaged
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: by them. Can we have a house rule to fix that?
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And mooching off of their party members. Yeah, it really
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: was a different environment, right, and and the ship talk disappeared.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Fact, it's the idea that Call of Duty and Candy
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Crush are essentially different. But I mean, what is Candy
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Crush is lining up three shapes so that they will
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: destroy the other shapes around them. It's it's something like that,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: isn't it. It's like, yeah, it's it's like, if you
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: line these shapes up in a certain order, they will
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: destroy each other. And I'm sorry, but that's basically war.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's an amalgamation of what war is. If
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: you get enough of these infantry battalions of a certain
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: symbol lined up against a certain infantry battalion of a
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: different symbol, then one of them will win against the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: other and they will destroy the other. So the the
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: fucking the games that women love are basically the same
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: as the games that men love. It's it's war. It's
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: just that women prefer it when it's presented as a
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: puzzle and men prefer prefer it when it's presented as
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: a war. And a war is a puzzle, and a
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: puzzle is a war. It's all it's it's all the same,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: it's just presented from different directions.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Like chess.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like like chess. Well wait, chess is very much
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: a male dominated games. We could look into why that
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: might be, but you know, there are there are games
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: that women prefer like Farmville, and Farmville is a bit
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: like chess. There's all sorts of games a bit like
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: chess that that that women prefer more than men, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: and it does come down to strategy, It does come
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: down to tactics. Men and women both love games that
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: are based on on on strategy and tactics, but they
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: differ slightly in the way in the way that they.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Work, and some of them are completely devoid of giant robots.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, do you want to read acraft? Yeah?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, back to this, I will I will leave
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: it at this. Right if you if you played D
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: and D in in the nineteen eighties and sat in
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: a room full of guys, and you had a particularly
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: hated non player character that had just been dogging the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: party for the longest time, and you finally got to
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: fight him, and you you finally got to injure the guy, right,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: and and your your DM is one that actually uses
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the the hit chart or the injury chart that that
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you have a D twenty and various numbers correspond to
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: various places, and he rolls anywhere on the Torso you
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: get this spectacular description of how the player disemboweled this
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: evil enemy in PC and everything from you know, guts
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: oozing across the floor to oh, he had lamb for dinner.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: You can still see the little pieces. But as soon
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: as you have a room that's half female, somebody has
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: to get up and go vomit. No, not not as
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: much fun anymore, especially if she gets mad about it afterward.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Like but anyway, it is. It is what it is,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and that is That is how things have changed in
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: pretty much every area of men just hanging out with
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: other guys, and and the few women that don't try
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: to change everything they're doing just because you know, a
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: female has walked into the room. But she I think
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: we stopped actually in this area.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I was down here for the longest time. But I
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: might be wrong. We might have read this too, So
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna briefly recall this. She talks about hypergamy, which
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: is essentially just women marrying up. It's not about men
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: marrying up, because that's really not been a thing. It's
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: basically just women marrying up. And she talks about, you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: how Alex, this guy that she's interviewing, perceives it. And
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: obviously you can't marry up if the guy doesn't have
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: money and status greater than your own. And it does
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: date back at least three thousand years. It probably dates
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: back to the very first ever in any culture arranged
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: marriage because if you think about it, let's say you
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: have two kids, and obviously, you know back then people
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: had a lot more kids. But let's say you have
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: two kids that you're pretty sure they're going to reach adulthood.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: And those two kids, one of them's male and the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: other one's female. So what you can expect from the
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: male child is that as he starts to go into adulthood,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: as he starts to age into adulthood and mature into adulthood,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: he going to bring another worker into the family, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: she's going to birth more workers. His worker that he
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: brings into the family is going to birth more workers
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: for the family. And one way or another, they'll do work.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Either they'll be preparing resources for the family or they'll
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: be gaining resources for the family. So you know, he
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: he can afford to bring in somebody based on what
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: she's going to do, not just based on what she
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: has right. And similarly, he is obligated to take care
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: of you when you get older. It's his job and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that'll be probably her responsibility the wife. But the other child,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the female, she's going to leave when she becomes an adult,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and if she doesn't, you're gonna have to support her
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: for the rest of her life. She might be a worker,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: she's not going to produce more workers for you. If
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: she does, they're going to be illegitimate children. They're going
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to be mouths to feed, and there's not going to
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: have a father with them to help with that. And
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: so she's gonna be a liability if she stays with you.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: So you want her to go with somebody. She's not
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: going to leave. She's not going to abandon and run away.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: So of course you're going to find somebody that has
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: more shit than you have so that his home and
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: his family are more attractive to her than yours. And
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: as an added bonus, you get to be friends with
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: that family now because one of your kids is married
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: into that family. So hypergamy them's from that kind of
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: outlook in that kind of situation. But this woman doesn't
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: really get into any of that. Refers to it as
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: a buzzword in the manisphere for gold digging. Well, that
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: attitude being that old and being that ingrained, it's not
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: gone away, right, most of modern history, women have gotten
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: messages you better shop around, get that bag. Don't be
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: dating some low life, deadbeat piece of junk. You know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: tell them to hit the road, jack, but definitely merry up.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: You know he's going to be romantic. And of course,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the idea of romance is something that was invented by aristocrats,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: wealthy French ladies, actually wealthy French aristocrats, about six hundred
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: years ago, and it got thrown in there with hypergamy
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: and the next thing, you know, women have to just
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: flat out by women's affection with diamonds and gold, jewelry
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: and fancy parties and massive compliments and cow towing behavior. Oh,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: don't get my lady's feet wet. Let me throw my
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: expensive jacket over this nasty mud puddle so you can
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: walk on it. Mm hmm. Right.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: So then it was never not gold digging.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: It was just.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: We just found a way to colloquialize what actually is happening,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: and as gold digging. It was always gold digging. It
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: still is golding. Is never not going to be gold digging.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: It just used to be that the father was gold
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: digging on his daughter's behalf, or that he wasn't going
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: to be saddled with another mouth to feed when she
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: ran away from her new.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Home, or several mouths to feed if she came back
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: home with babies, right, yep, So you know it's it's
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: always been that, But what's happening now is that women
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: are trying to find a way to justify the behavior. Yeah,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: and I'm sorry, it just doesn't There's never gonna be
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: another way to paint this.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: This is what it is. And you may not like that.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Sorry for your loss, but that's what it is. You know,
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: either you move different or you just accept.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: What the fuck it is.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way it is.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Like my my.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: A friend of mine, not gonna call her, well, no,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: a neighbor. She's an immigrant, right, she's not legal. She
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: married here and had a kid. She married the man, right,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: so she got green card status or whatever. But you know,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: she had a kid with him, and so she sat
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: on my couch one day and said, I shouldn't have
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: to work. I can find a man that's gonna pay
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: for me in my lifestyle and I shouldn't have to
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: do this, and like what Meanwhile, meanwhile, her ex husband
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: is paying for her entire existence because she's got his kid.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: But she moved here, got got married, got green carded,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: got pregnant, had an anchor baby, got divorced, and now
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: she feels entitled to be kept, to be a kept woman.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: Correct, I shouldn't have to let him keep her right
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: right right? No, you know, I shouldn't have to get
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: a job. And now she's got some new boyfriend that's paid.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: It's just a whole situation.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: But anyway, the point still stands. It's always been gold dinging.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: And you know, if you really want to be these
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: independent women that you claim to be, then maybe you
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: stop digging in a man's wallet.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: How about that?
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, Jesupede. So after establishing that Alex knows hypergamy
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and that she doesn't believe in it and thinks it's
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: just a euphemism for gold digging, which it is, but
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: it's not because it's also about ensuring you know that,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: like I said, the wife isn't going to go taking
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: off because the resources are there in the home. Although
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: now the government has in our country and several others,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the government has decided that if she decides to leave
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: the home, she can take the resources with her. So
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: we don't have a good marriage system anymore. And the kids, yep,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: and the kids, Jess gets to take everything, but the
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: important part of the marriage, the most important part of
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: the marriage. But in any case, he has recognized that
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: if men don't have status, they get de selected from romance,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: they get excluded, he says, from social circles, and they
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: get looked down upon by society. And this is true.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Like I said before, you know, you drive a dump truck,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of women would look at that and say, oh,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: this guy drives a dump truck. And the next thing,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: you know, the fact that he makes a killing in
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: construction work wouldn't wouldn't impress them. The fact that he
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: comes home smelling like he makes a lot of money
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: in construction would be off putting. Unless they're you know,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: good down to earth gals. They will look down on him.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: If he drove a garbage truck, that would have been
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: even worse, right, which if you ever look really look
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: at a garbage truck and all of the controls that
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: are in it and all of the things that the
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: guy has to account for when going through town, down
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: streets that have cars parked on both sides and turning
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: corners where people have parked illegally too close to the
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: corner and shit like that, trying not to hit anything
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: and damage anything. It's the takes a pretty decent driver
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: to drive a dump truck or a garbage truck or
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: any big piece of equipment like that. If somebody has
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to bring a back home into your neighborhood, it's going
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: to come. I'm on a little flatbed, and that guy
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: has to drive that truck down a residential street. These
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: are things that unless it's a really big back ho
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and then they got to drive it down the street,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: and that's even harder sometimes, becau it's not really made
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: for that. It's made to sit in one place and dig.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: So but women will turn around and they'll look down
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: on these guys, right, they'll look look at him and
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, you got dirty hands. I don't want
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: to go out with a guy with dirty hands. I
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: think some of the guys with dirty hands are the
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: best guys to talk to. But but go ahead and leave,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: leave those guys for the women who know. Just need
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: more women who know. So she goes on. Alex doesn't
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: have status. He's been out of work for a while,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: lives in a council house on benefits, hasn't had a
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: girlfriend of many years. We did read this part before.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Uh doesn't define himself as an inceel. He claims to
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: have moved past the sexual desperation of his youth. His
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: views sound pretty similar to one. So she's basing this
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: on her definition of what an insul is. But if
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: he's not trying to be in a relationship anymore, does
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: he qualify as an insul?
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Equal is a false cell.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: The voluntary celibate, not an involuntary celibate, which would be
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the opposite a voluntary.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Because that's where most guys are at now. So most
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: guys that they're in the late thirties to forties, late
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: for easily forties, I've kind of accepted they're not going
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: to be in a relationship. So they so in the
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Chinese and forties in cells, but in the late thirty
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: because of.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: The full cells, because at that point they figured that
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: that it's not going to happen and they've accepted it.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because they sed out off the Theyton market.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. And then she made fun of
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: his perfectly normal habits playing video games. Oh no, he
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: plays video games. Sometimes he stays up late at night
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: playing video games. I've never done that about a thousand times.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I've never almost been late for work because I slept
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: through my alarm because I stayed up late playing video games.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it's wrong when this guy does it
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: posts about men's rights, oh no on his x account.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Oh no, and he reports feminists for transphobia. I forgot
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: about that. You really can't get them banned now for
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that though. But yeah, this is discussing the marriage issues, right,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the stuff that we talk about. Uh, men men when
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: they get into a marriage, discovering that if they have
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: a reason why they need to get out, they're in trouble.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: And uh, if she has a reason why she wants
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: to get out, they're in trouble. So so now she
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: we looked at migtow before also, so she has called
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: him an insul, right then she says he's a migtaw.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: So she doesn't really understand what an insul is and
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: what a migtaw is because you really can't be both.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And'm gonna interrupt.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Way. They always try, they always try to conflate the two,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: but they're not the same.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: They want to lump us all in as one group.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: They'll throw men's rights activists in in between in cells
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and migtaw with the idea that if they can demonize
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: in cells enough and then they can demonize migtao and
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: then they mention us along with the in cells and
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the migtaw. That would be enough, Like, oh, people will
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: hate him our as now because we mentioned them after
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: we poison the well, poison the water with you know,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: these mentions of in cells and migtaw based on our
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: description of them, and it doesn't matter. That's inaccurate. And
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: anybody that looks for five minutes into actual forums where
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: in cells or migtau talk about things the way that
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: they would frame them, you know, you could easily find
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: out just from doing that that everything she's saying is bullshit.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Doesn't matter, though they will do this over and over
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: again because they think that that will stop people who
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: advocate for equally shared parenting, fair treatment for boys in school,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: due process rights, equal treatment under the law, equal treatment
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: in the workplace, not benefits just for women all the time.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: But skipping a lot of this because we already did
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: look at it. I think we actually read Costello's statement too,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: because he's, yeah, this is where we read about most
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: about thirty percent of in cells meeting the clinical requirements
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: for being referred for an autism assessment indicating a much
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: higher rate of autism than in the general population. So
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: basically what she's doing here. After finding this out, she
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: still wrote this article. This way, she's taking these guys
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: who have a clinical disability. It is considered to be
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: a disability if it's bad enough, if you're you're ways
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: of being different from the rest of the world socially,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: distance you enough from the rest of the population because
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: of your autism, you actually can be legally disabled in
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: collect disability.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: That that's why I'm at now.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, and like it. You don't have to be
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: you don't have to have any other like no physical disability,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: you don't have to have a low IQ like I
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: work with people with intellectual disabilities. And if you are
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: distant enough from the rest of the population socially that
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: you cannot effectively navigate a workplace culture and you can't
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: retain a job because of that, that's enough. Like you
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: don't have to be people. People try to equate autism
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: with mental retardation or developmental delay, developmental disabilities, things like that. Yeah, well,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: in any case, they try to equate them as all
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: being one thing, and they're they're not like each thing
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: is separate, and each thing you can pile them onto
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: a person. But I think a lot of people with
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: autism just from just from the side of a person
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: who is is observing from the sidelines and understanding what
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: the communication difficulties are from the inside. I'm at the
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: opposite end of the IQ spectrum. I've actually had at
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: least one shrink tell me that he didn't have a
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: number on his chart for how high my IQ is,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: and at the time, I thought, oh, this is going
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: to serve me. Well, it doesn't do jack shit for you,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: like get What it does most of the time is
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: get you in trouble because I'll figure things out at
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: work and other people will get mad at me for
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: coming up with a creative solution to a persistent problem
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: because they weren't the ones that thought of it. And
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: that's happened at every job I've ever worked at, doesn't
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: matter where I am, whether it's a high IQ job
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: or what people would refer to as a shit job.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Everybody does this. They get mad at you for solving problems.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: And that's sort of my thing, right. I go in
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: there and I solve problems, so it gets me in trouble.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: A lot.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: But I watch, you know, at the same time, I
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: watch people that I've worked with that have a difficulty
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: just even communicating with other people. Someone who can't tell
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: you they have a toothache because they don't know how
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: to describe it, or they don't know how to talk
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: to you, like they can approach you and be there
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: close to you and look at you and point to
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: their tooth, but they just don't know how to steal
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: themselves and work up the gumption or energy to speak
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: words to you even though they can. And I don't
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: think everybody always understands those difficulties, even when they're at
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the top echelons of the profession. And so sometimes people
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: get diagnosed with much lower IQ than they actually have.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And then when we go to work with them and
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: we're told, you know this, this individual has all these
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: these sets of problems, and they're uh, their intellect is
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: at this level, and here's what they're going to understand
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: and not understand. And then you go to do things
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: to help them and work with them, and you discover
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: that actually they understand a lot more than you were told,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: and actually they're quite capable of handling a lot more.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: And if they don't like the rules they live under.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: They're they're quite capable of skirting them a lot more
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: easily than they've been given credit for. And so you
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: end up having to get a lot more creative with
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: being able to explain to somebody, well, here's why this
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: rule exists. Here's what we can do instead, you know,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: things like that, because i Q is kind of bullshit
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Well it's not i it
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: is they give you a test and you get a number,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: and that number is supposed to define your intelligence, but
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: it doesn't.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: We are assigned emotional intelligence as though, as though it
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: relates to intelligence. Quote and in some way, and that's
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: just this way of telling people that women have this
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: intelligence that woman that men don't. And yeah, if you,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: if you, if you fuck around with the definitions of
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: things enough, then yeah, women are narcissists and men are artists.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: And and you know, you could sway that into what
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: you call emotional intelligence and intellectual intelligence. But what once
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: once you unpacked that, you notice that intellectual intelligence is
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: a tautology still description. And yeah, and women can decipher
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: other other people's emotions, but men can can decipher other
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: people's intelligence. And and when you extend this, you get
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: the notion of autism and narcissism, and that women are
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: more narcissistic and men are more autistic. And yes, that
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: is the very most of the case, as as as
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: has been ascertained, and it's difficult to derive these things,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: especially under a society under which we live, where it
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter how narcissistic a woman gets, it's never considered abnormal.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: H But when when a man or a boy shows
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: even the first sign of autism is considered abnormal, and
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: you know, hop skipping the jump here, we are even
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: even a girl who looks even remotely artistic is automatically
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: called a boy, and a boy who expresses narcissism is
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: considered a girl. And it's difficult to even argue with
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: any of this without being called a fucking racist or
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: some ship, because you know, this gender bullshit has been
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: tied in with this race bullshit. And now we're sort
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: of sat here going, well, maybe there's no difference between
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: a man and a woman, but no, there's there's a
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: difference between a man and between a boy and a girl.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: And it can be noticed from like the earliest possible
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: point in your life like boys like clocks and girls
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: like toys, Barbie dolls. That's sort of thing, and and
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: it's differ it's difficult not to notice that, and it's
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: difficult not to apply these obvious differences between boys and
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: girls like boys like clocks and girls like dolls.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: There's a song in that somewhere, a song about that. No,
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: what might have said that, there might be a song
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: in that? What might just said, yeah, I'll.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Figure something out.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: But what's really funny is like, as you're saying that,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm sitting here looking at my earliest, oldest,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: favorite childhood toy like it sounds like happiness to me then,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: and I don't care to look at it. It has
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: a face on it, but it's called a happy apple,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: and inside are little bells that make a chime if
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: you roll the apple. It was from my infancy, and
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: every toy I had after that one was a puzzle.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Every every favorite toy I had after that was a puzzle.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't like. I like, I didn't like most dolls,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: didn't like most of the stuff that girls got into,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: except clothes and books. And really the clothes were because
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: of the books, but puzzles, like you can lose yourself
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: in a puzzle and play around with it till you
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: solve it, and then take it apart and solve it
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: again from a different angle, and it's intensely fun. And
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know this idea that you can
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: go down the middle. Boys like some things and girls
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: like other things. I think one of the reasons people
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: get confused about about gender and gender issues, it's because
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: we have this idea that it's all in people's help
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: people look and help people act, and not ingrained it's
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: not part of your biology. Well, it is part of
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: your biology. Girls are girls biologically, and there are also
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: come from their biology. So I didn't play with dolls
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: very much. I had them. My mom bought me dolls,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: and I kept them on my bed during the day
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: and got obsessive over them, and like, whenever I was
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: leaving the house, I had one doll that looked like
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: she was a bigger, older girl than all the other dolls,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: and she had the babysit. Even though I didn't do
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: anything with my dolls when I was there, they still
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: had to have a babysitter. And that's about the extent
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: of my unless you're talking barbies, because I could sew
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: close for my barbies. But and they usually looked like
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: something out of Mad Max Thunderdome Beyond Thunderdome, they were terrible.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: But I played with my brother's toys and his friends,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: like we played guns. We beat each other with sticks.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: We well, we didn't box, they boxed. I took pictures
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: because you can't put a girl in the boxing ring
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: with a boy, not without six other boys beating you
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: up for it. So but yeah, it's different from different people.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of this stuff when they
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: make assessments, you know, it's you have to recognize that
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of leeway with what people are assessed
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: to be and how people are assessed to be, because
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: you can tell people a lot of things medically and
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: then discover that they've far surpassed your expectations. You know,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I was supposed to not make it to twenty one
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: years old, and I'm fifty three. I'll be fifty four
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: in July. So doctors can be right about a lot
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: of things, but sometimes they miss the signs of an
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: impending success. In any case. On the Internet, they can
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: talk about their problems with people and who will listen
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: and tell them who to blame. So this I think
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: we read earlier in one of her other statements on
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: the internet, they being in cells can talk about their
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: problems with people who will listen tell them who to blame.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: The stupid thing about this is we actually had a
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: rule made at some point on the men's right subredit
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: that you don't post women behaving badly posts unless you
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: have a purpose beside, look, here's a woman behaving badly.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: We got to the point where, yes, everybody knows bad
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: behavior happens with both sexes. It's not just men. Women
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: do it too. But you know, you want to talk
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: about a different attitude in the justice system, or this
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: individual was harmed by this woman behaving badly, and there's
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: a fundraiser, or here's a brand new way that we
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: haven't seen anybody talking about. That women behaving badly has
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: affected someone. And a lot of times you'll get guy
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: come in and talk about their situation. I'm getting divorced.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: You know she's leaving. She already took the kids and
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: went to her mother's house, and she sent me the paperwork,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: and she has started draining our bank accounts. What do
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I do, you know? And of course the first advice
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: men get there is get a lawyer, because you can't
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: do this without one. And and then men will also
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: talk to them about I went through this, Here's what
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: happened to me, Here's what I did wrong. Don't do
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: these things. Here's what worked for me. These these are
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: okay to try, you know a lot of them. The
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: thing that got me really involved in in the Men's
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Right subreddit when I first started getting involved was the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: seven years in health case that I keep referring to.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: I had a buddy who's x Y by the way
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: back to Jerry Springer had a baby by another guy,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: and of course that spelled the end of their marriage.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: He divorced her and they got fifty to fifty shared parenting.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: They arranged that it wasn't the default, but it was
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the divorce that he said, this is what i'm gonna do.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna write this up and you know, if you
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: don't sign it, then I'll take you to court for it.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: So that's what she signed. But she goes on with
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: you know, husband number two, well they weren't married, baby
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: daddy number two and moves in with him, and long
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: story short because there is a long story to go
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: with this. Baby Daddy number two beat the child black
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: and blue, and the child's father got custody, full protective custody.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: The mother only had supervised visitation and it was very limited,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: and she got mad, so she started a series seven
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: years worth of false allegations ranging from rape and violent
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: assault to one time a drive by greeting that never happened,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Like none of the things that she said about him
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: were true, and for seven years he fought this. At
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: close to the end of it, he filed a complaint
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: for vexatious litigation and it took another year for that
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: to go through the courts, and then she got to appeal,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: and at the end of it, her appeal was rejected,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: and so she is no longer allowed to do anything
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: to him. She can't call the cops on him, she
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: can't file complaints, and she can't file any kind of
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: court action in regard to him at all. And that
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: was pretty much end. That's all she could do. Like
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: the last little uh uh what's it called at the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: end of the story when you add something on was
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: that she she she wrote him an email and she
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: was mad at him. About something, and she goes through
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: this paragraphs and paragraphs of you know, bitch, miss bitch, moan,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: moan moan, YadA, YadA, YadA, yo yo yeao, wine a lot,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: and in the middle of it is just the word tomato, bitch,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: miss bitch, wine wine wine mo mo mo tomato, bitchity bitch, bitch,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: bitch bitch wine wine and wine mode moan moan. And
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: she finished it with with like yours truly or love
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: always or some bullshit like that that you would sign
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: off from a friend. And he's like, this is an
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: automatic email signature, because I don't think she ever said
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: that to me in her life. And that's all she
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: could do. Epilogue, Thank you Meredith. It was my My
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: brain was going somewhere else and I knew it wasn't
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: the right word, but and that's all she could do
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: was she harangued him in a letter, and in the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: middle of it there was just this superfluous tomato that
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: made no sense. So what she ended up doing, no
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: matter how angry her letter sounded, because she put the
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: word tomato in the middle of it by accident. He
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: just couldn't stop laughing at the letter. So that in
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: the end, all she could do was make him laugh.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: But so when I I got involved, I had written
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: a four page post on a blogger blog Google blog
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: about how to handle vexatious litigation, malicious prosecution, and restraining
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: order abuse in a divorce setting where the woman is
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: making false allegations of intimate partner and sexual violence as
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: a method of obtaining custody of a child. And a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: lot of people get referred still today to those posts.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: So like, that's where we are in the in the
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: movement telling telling people who to blame doesn't do you
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: any good. Nobody cares who to blame. When a guy
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: comes to the Men's Right subreddit, he wants to know
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: how to not lose contact with his children, how to
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: not end up homeless, how to not have to work
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: himself to death to support two households, and how to
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: not lose his mind. Those are the important things. But
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: a woman like this doesn't know how to be sympathy
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: to that, or doesn't know how to be sympathetic to that,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: And this paragraph. What Costello says here is spot on.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Some say some might say it's easy for women who
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: often face unwanted sexual advances and harassment to dismiss men's
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: complaint complaints about constant sexual rejection. We don't do well
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: to recognize how painful this sexual and invisible invisibleness feels,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Costello said. And when men in particular are in that
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: poor mental health, they externalize their aggression. But we find
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: that in cels have an awful lot of toxic self
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: image too, so in other words, they're internalizing it, right,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: so they have a lot of hate toward themselves. Loneliness
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: is a hell of a drug. So at least she
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: didn't make fun of Costello. I suppose she can't because
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: he's just like a psychologist.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: And he's as well, sir.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: That's true. True. Some academic studies have indicated that men
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: who are deemed to be of what Costello calls low
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: mate value are more likely to become hostile toward women. Well,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: there's a reason for that, all right. If you get
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: kicked every time you meet a particular type of person,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: what are they? How are you going to feel about them?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: There's so many times you can kick a puppy, yeah.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Yep, until he grows up to become the dog that
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: bites and something that people don't understand. Again, you might
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: think of somebody as invisible, or not think of somebody
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: at all. Right, you might put effort into ignoring them.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: You might avoid them. You might you look at them
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: like they're dirt under your feet. You know, you're thinking
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: about how you feel in the moment when you do that.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: When you avoid somebody you don't want to be around
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: because they're annoying, or they smell bad, or they don't
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: speak well and you don't understand what they're saying, you
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: have difficulty communicating with them, and you don't feel good
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: about that difficulty. Like I have difficulty understanding accents, and
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: I ask people to repeat themselves a lot. I just
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: tell people, it's not your fault, it's me. I'm not
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: very good about this. This is one of the things
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I fail at, so I always have to I always
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: have to ask people to repeat themselves. It's just the thing.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: But it's not because you're not clear. It's because I'm
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: not good at at differentiating what.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: You're saying about the apple and stuff. I'm talking about
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: the trouble the troubles and stuff. What is it you're
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: saying about. What is it that I'm saying?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Your accent's one of the easiest ones. When I was
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: in high school and and uh, I went to a
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: to a shrink because of the roid rage. He was Korean,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: and I had a terrible time with his accent, and
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: he gave me, he really gave me what for for
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: not telling him. I was like, how am I supposed
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: to help you if you won't admit to me when
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: you don't understand what I'm saying. And that got me
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: over that embarrassment. Now I just ask people to repeat themselves.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't understand that it's my fault, but
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: can you repeat it anyway? You know? And that that's
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: all it takes. Most of the time. People don't get
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: upset with me for not being good at understanding have
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: a terrible time. Let's see who in the men's rights
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: movement is very very difficult for me to understand. Count
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: d Akuila. I have a terrible time with his accent.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: You see that new didn't mean that, you know, the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: first place in the year.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: Uh. Some some academic studies.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah yep. Some academic studies have indicated that men who
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: are deemed to be of what Costello calls lower mate
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: value are more likely to become hostile toward women, and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: of course they will deem anything hostile. But and consequently
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: women tend to not like misogynists, so you become lower
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: mate value than more misogynists and lower mate value than
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: more misogynists. It's the cycle.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: Lie, Yeah, women love misogynists. And we actually break it down,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: like a man who actually challenges a woman is the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: hottest thing a woman could ever could possibly find. That's
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: that's what that's what women want. Women want a man
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: who challenges them. And guess what a man wants a
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: woman who challenges him within reason, like as long as
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: the fucking government doesn't get involved and turns it into
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: a one way street, like men and women love women
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: and men who challenge each other Like that was all
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: we ever needed, and it worked for the longest time,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: like because we've always had these jokes about how men
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: and women are different, and we've always been able to
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: handle these jokes about how men and women are really
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: fucking different, but they love each other. And that's it.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Used to be a segment in Mad magazine, actually men
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Versus Women. I don't remember what it was called.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Now it's been a segment in like, Eh comedy, we're talking,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: we're talking Roman, Ancient Roman, ancient Greek comedy was when people, well,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I say that was when they first discovered this, this
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: comedy angle that men and women are different. But I
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: get the distinct feeling that for as long as men
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: and women have even noticed the difference between men and women,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: they've had these angles of comedy. When they noticed that
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: men and women are different. It's not even ancient Romans
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: and ancient Greeks. It's ancient everything. It's beyond it's beyond ancient.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Back when language was still developing, probably exactly, yep.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's in everyone's best interest that we notice
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: the difference between men and women. And how fun the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: difference between men and women is. Like it's never been
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: a problem until some fuckers made it a problem, like
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: in the last couple of centuries. Like, yes, men and
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: women are different, What is wrong with that? Why would
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: it ever have been a bad thing that men and
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: women are a little bit different? Of course they are.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they be a little bit different.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: It's never been a problem, let alone a political problem,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: that men and women are a little bit different, Like
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: for fuck's sake.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, God, it's interesting, and when it comes down to
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: the whole. Women tend to not like misogynists.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: Thing.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: That's not the truth about women. And it's not that
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: women dislike misogynists, right. Women dislike being having their authority bucked,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: and they dislike, you know, even though women don't have
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: authority per se, but especially having their moral authority or
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: their sexual authority like be be bucked. That that really
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: bothers them. Women don't like being told no. Women don't
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: like no women. Women don't like men who are that
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: they would think of as beneath them in a way
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: that isn't tough and exotic, but just beneath them, you know,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: like dirt under their feet. And they'll call you a
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: misogynist for being in that position, even if you've done
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: nothing and said nothing misogynistic. So even the guy that
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: you know just works down the hall in an office
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: building who happens to be very unattractive, is on a
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: lower pace scale than they are for whatever reason, and
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: maybe you know, isn't good at making the best of
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: what he has when it comes to his looks and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: his intelligence and stuff. And there's maybe there's nothing exotic
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: or exciting about him.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: He's just.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Somebody that that woman would consider beneath him, and all
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: he has to do to be considered a misogynist is
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: to not get out of her way when she's walking
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: down the hallway. And maybe ten other guys didn't get
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: out of her way, but that guy was clearly in
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: her way just to make her move. So it's not
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: that women get upset about misogyny, and so women attribute
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: misogyny to things that upset them. And there's a big
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: difference between being upset by misogyny and attributing misogyny to
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: that which has upset you. And by the way, when
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I say that which has upset you, a lot of
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: times with women, being upset is a decision as well.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: But you know, I can give you a dumb example
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: of that. I sleep in the middle of the day
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: when I work nights. I haven't been working nights for
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: a while, but normally when I work nights, and normally
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: I do, I go home from work, get home mid morning,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: and I sleep until my husband gets home from work
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: in the evening. And you know when that happens, I
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: want quiet, right, and I'll get annoyed at noises like
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: lawnmowers and people with loud music in their cars. And
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's not a high level of annoyance,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: but it's annoyance. But I can't bring myself to be
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: annoyed at the sound of kids playing outside. It's too
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: happy of a thing, right, And I can't be arked
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: to get too annoyed at any of the other things,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: because just because I work at night doesn't mean the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: rest of the world stops, right. So people are going
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: to mow their lawn, and people are going to drive
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: their cars, and some of them are going to keep
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: their music up too loud, and it's been that way
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: forever and it's going to be that way forever. So
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: I decided early on, as as a night worker, that
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to get upset about this, and so
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I don't. Really that's a decision. It's all it takes
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: for most of the time. If I do get super
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: annoyed by it, I'll get a noise maker something that
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: will keep the noise from drawing my attention, right, But
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that because then I can't
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: hear the kids playing outside, and that's a happy noise.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: So you pick your battles. But I think a lot
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: of women would care in this situation. You know, not
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: our Karen, but retail establishment Karen. Somebody's got to speak
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: to the manager. That's that's what you end up with
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: most of the time, and that is women making decisions
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: to be to be mad, stay mad, hold on to
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: that mad, and then act on it. The CCE study
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: also found that insults are likely to have extremely poor
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: mental health. We did read this before because it he
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: starts talking about the victim orientation. No one cares about
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: my pain, why should I care about yours? But see,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: this is something that this is a half half fact
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: from the people that I have met who are in cells.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: I haven't met an insult doesn't suffer from depression. Hello,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: but you're not the only one, Richard. Almost everybody that
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: well everybody that I've met has said that he's an insult,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: has has been depressed, has had clinical depression at least
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: at some point. So I don't think it's a victim orientation.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's a sense of hopelessness.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, there are people who identify as in cells
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: for various different reasons, Like your boy, Richard right here,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: identifies as an insult, and I keep telling him he
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't need to do that. But he keeps doing it
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason or another. And then but I remain
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: here to remind the general public that there's no need
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: to identify as an insult, because it's just an identity.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: It's I mean, there's been such a thing as a
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: female celibate, right, just celibate, just a woman who who
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to have sex. That's that's been a thing
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: for a long time, and it was just called delibate.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: But recently there's been this phenomenon of the male delibate,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: and it's just been generally assumed that the male celibate
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: must be an involuntarily celibate, because I mean, why on
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: earth would a man not want to have sex with
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: a woman. It's simply unfeasible and in calculum that a
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: man would not want to have sex with a woman,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: or all that a man would want to have sex
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: with a woman, but he isn't.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: And I mean, aside from the many people who are
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: voluntarily celibate for religious reasons and such, yeah, I.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Think that that is the difference. There are a lot
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: of men who are voluntarily celibate, but they're kind of
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: lumped in with them with the men who love women.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: And really want to have sex with women but are
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: unable too. And it's I don't know if I've expressed
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: this recently, but in cell it just means a man
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: who likes women, but women do not like him. And
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: this uncovers an awful lot when when you listen to
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: these feminist influences who who you just call everyone, they
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: don't like an in cel because because an in cel
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: is just a man who loves women but is not
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: loved back. And that is what it means. Because I
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: mean because a voluntary celibate man is someone who chooses
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: not to indulge in relationships, but an involuntarily celibate man
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: is a man who wants to indulge in relationships with women,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: but for whatever reason, is not able to indulge in
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: such relationships. So an in cel is just a man
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: who loves women, but whom women do not love.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: You know, there's something you touched on there that I
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: don't know if you realized it, But historically joining a
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: monastery or joining the priesthood was sort of a position
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: of respect. You would be somebody just by virtue of
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: the cloth that you were associated with, whether it was
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: the priesthood or being a monk, whether it was you know,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: the Christian monks, the Buddhist monks, you know, any other
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: religion where there's been a type of clergy or a
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: type of philosopher who was you know, celibate and lived
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: only with men and had strict rules that he followed
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of times there were strict even strict dietary
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: rules involved and things like that. But he was also
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: seen to be a highly spiritual man, someone who you
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: could go to for advice, uh, someone who you would trust,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: a very trusted person. And in some cultures that the
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: individual might also be a highly skilled fighter, even if
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: he wasn't actually going to engage in violence out of choice.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: But you know, so if somebody years ago found himself
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: in a position of having no relationship prospects because maybe
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: he was never going to make it financially and he
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: didn't have the looks, he didn't have an opportunity to
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: raise his status, he could go into that lifestyle and
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: raise his status that way, as long as he just
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: had the discipline to do that. If he decided, you know,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: to pretty much just accept like, all right, that's it.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: I know that I'm going to be a virgin for
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: the rest of my life, will never ever have sex,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: I will never get married, I will never have children,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: And then I'm going to be okay with that, because
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to live with something that you're
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: okay with than it is to live with something that
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: you're not okay with. And this isn't going away, right
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: makes that decision, taking that decision, going into a profession
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: that offers prestige and a trusted position in the community
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: for being completely celibate, in addition to whatever other strict
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: code you have gave men a way out of, you know,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: the situation of just being despondent about it. But that's
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: not the case today. You say you want to be
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: a priest, today people think because a small percentage of
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: members of the church, members of the clergy have engaged
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: in horrible crimes, that you're now going into a den
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: of iniquity if you're going to be a priest, and
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: the priesthood is going to have to redeem itself. And
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: in the meantime, you know, somebody who just knows he's
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: going to be celibate forever anyway can't look at that
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: and say, well, I could at least be considered a
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: respectable member of the community. If I do this, and
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: I can be dedicated to this and be well versed
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: in it and be of benefit to other people, and
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: I will have a social circle the people that will
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: come to me for advice and people that come, you know,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: to confess and be give an absolution, and you know,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: all the many things that a priest does. I will
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: help people get married, I will christen babies and so on.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: But now the equivalent of it is a nun. There
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: are very few nuns, but a great deal of women
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: who are like No, I will I will not pertain
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: too to the nuclear family. I will not be yes.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the thing about women is most of them
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: don't have this the same likelihood of an epiphany of
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: there is not a snowballs chance in hell that I'm
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: ever going to lose my virginity.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: There aren't very many women out there that couldn't if
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: they wanted to. There aren't very many women out there
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: that couldn't find somebody who will at least fuck them,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: if not date them. And honestly, there's a lot of women,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: even even now when most most women are fat and bitchy.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I'm sorry, but that's true.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: Most women are.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Karens uh, like most women are fat and bitchy again,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: not like our karen uh. But they still will find
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: people who will fuck them and marry them, and not
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: even necessarily in that order, right they even they can
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: even find people who will wait until after they're married
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: to fuck them. And I've photographed the weddings, so it's
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: it's really not the same. But men used to have
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: the priesthoods they used to have going into the woods
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: to be a hermit without being disturbed by other people.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: And you just live your life and you enjoy solitude,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: and you go into town when you need something, and
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: you build a male friend group in the community from
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: people you trade with. Right there, there was that for men.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: There was the organizations that men had, clubs, workers organizations, guilds,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: things like that, where it was mostly or only men,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: and he didn't it didn't matter if you were unattractive,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: didn't matter if you were not well healed, unless it
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: was a wealthy man's club. Right. But but most organizations,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: you just had to have one thing in common to
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: be part of that organization, and and it would be,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: you know, the thing that the organism was centered around
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: if you were a carpenter. Other carpenters didn't care if
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: you were but ugly they cared if you knew the
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: trade and you did it well, and you know, that
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: was it. And a lot of those organizations, a lot
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: of organizations that were male only or mostly men, disappeared.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: There even used to be a thing clear up into
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: the sixties, at least the nineteen sixties in the US
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: stag bars. I bet anybody younger than a gen xer
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: who hasn't heard me talk about this before doesn't know
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: what a stag bar is, but you could probably guess
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: based on the name. Those were not welcome, right, It
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: was just men. And a lot of times, like there
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: was one in the university community that where I went
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: to university when my dad was in school there and
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: occasionally he would go in there. It was mostly for
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: a long time it was a dry community. But when
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: they had opened it up and allowed bars in that place,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: you know, had cheap beer and cheeseburgers and stuff like that.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: One bathroom and it didn't the bathroom didn't have a
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: door because it was male only, so they really didn't
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: give a fuck. And Dad was telling me the story
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: one time about three ladies that came in there from
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: the university, three co eds that were being all feminist
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: about it too. We're in here, you can't kick us out, okay,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: you know, and every guy in there, whatever, go ahead,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: we'd a beer, you know. They sat up at the
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: bar being all proud of themselves for invading the stag bar,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: until one of them had to pee, and they told
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: her where the bathroom was, and she goes down the hallway,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: and from down the hallway comes the shop. There's no door.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: Where's the door, you know, and the bartenders going, we didn't,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: we don't need a door. This is a stag bar.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: There's only men in here. Why do we need a door?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: And so the women left.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: That was it.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: They can handle everything else, but the no door bathroom
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: was to nope, not once. That was back when there
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: used to be a type of beer sold in the
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: US called low beer. So low beer was to American
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: beer what American beer is to Europeans. We like your
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: normal beer like might be six percent alcohol to twelve
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: if it's really really good beer, but low beer was
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: like three point two percent. It was called three two beer,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: three point two percent alcohol, So it would pig fucking
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: forever to get drunk. If if that was your goal
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: and you were drinking low beer, you really had to
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: chug a lot of it, right, And you could buy
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: low beer when you were eighteen, and you could buy
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: real beer when you were twenty one. And so the
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: college guys would go to the stag bar and drink
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: nickel low beers like all night and then go back
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: to the dorms and sleep it off. But yeah, those gals,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: they really showed them they went into the stag bar.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: But what would happen in a lot of places, bigger places,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: is they would sue because somebody would tell them to leave,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: and then they'd get the right to go in there.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Once they had a right to be there. They would say, well,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: you guys just don't have a door in the bathroom
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: because you want to make us leave, You got to
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: put door up, and it go downhill from there.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: Why do women think?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Why did they what?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: Why did they want?
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: Everythink it's because their sensibilities are different. Like, even though
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: men are better at smelling bad smells, women are more
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: offended by them. Even though men are better at noticing
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: ugly colors, women are more offended by them. Women are
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: the ones who decide what's in bad taste, And a
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: lot of times I think it's because men are better
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: at tolerating differences in appearance and differences and.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: And differences and smells differences men. Men don't like the
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: smell of fish, but they're willing to put up with it,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: And women don't like the smell of bleach, but they'll
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: find other ways to complain about it, you know what
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah. The only time I've ever heard a guy
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: really complain about a normal smell at work was because
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: he was allergic to it. It was allergic to coffee
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: and it made him sick. The needless to say I
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: did not have coffee when he was at work. I
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: just like, I'm not doing that to somebody. I'm allergic
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: to a lot of things too, But in any case, Yeah,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Like that's why you know, men will Men will be
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: perfectly happy if if they've got a place that they're
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: gathering and the point of going there is uh to
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: sit and talk and drink beer and eat pretzels and
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: potato chips and cheeseburgers and fries and stuff. They won't
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: care if there's fancy artwork or not. If there is,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: that's nice. If there's not, that's okay, right, unless they
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: really want a particular atmosphere and they're seeking a particular
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: theme and talking about particular themed things. It's just a
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: place to go and hang out. And what matters more
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: is who's there and what kind of people they are,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: and how much fun they are to be around, and
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: the price and quality of the beer. And sometimes the
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: price matters a lot more than the quality. But women
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: can't do that. It has to have other things that
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: are appealing, Like this is why you didn't see like
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: you saw all kinds of stag bars, but there weren't
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: dough bars, right, and uh, you know you had men's
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: gentlemen's clubs, but it was I think the twentieth century
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: before you had the female equivalent. You had what they did,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: and they did what Lauren turned it into Ladies' Night. Yeah,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: turned into ladies Night. Yeah.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: You know you'd have I don't know, women only spaces
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: versus men only spaces. Like you you might see other
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: types of places that are functional that would be women
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: only spaces, and other types of places that were functional
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: that would be men only spaces. But women didn't. There
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: weren't bars that were just for women unless they were
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: for lesbians, and there weren't. Women didn't really have their
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: equivalent necessarily of the the eagles and the elks and
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: the I don't know, like depending on whether you're in
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: a in a meeting hall or bar, you can go
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: from royal order water buffalo to Royal Order hairy buffalo. Right,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: But women didn't have all that they had quilting bees
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: and the ladies' societies would be things like the Women's
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Auxiliary of such and such, and it would be something
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: to do with feeding the poor or cleaning up the
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: streets or you know, it wasn't the same. And so
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: women always have to be busy bodies. They always have
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: to be changing their environment always. If you rearranging the furniture,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: putting up curtains, it has to have a new paint job.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: You know. If the floor looks dirty, you need you
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: need to fix it, or you need to get a
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: new floor. You know. That's why, that's why they're and
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: you have to be genteel in the way that you speak.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: Prove it, yeah, I prove it. But women's sensibilities, you know,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: if you're too loud, if you're obnoxious, if your humor's
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: too sexual, God forbid, you tell rape jokes, right, you
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: can't make fun of rapists for being a little bit weird.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, that's why. That's why they run everything.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: You get a perfectly good environment that suits the purpose
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: you're using it for. When you bring women into it,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: that's not good enough. There must be something more.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: You see we read previously, We read about Costello saying
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: that insuls are a self defeating group, lonely men that
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: drag each other down and our misogynistic. And I think
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: we disagreed with that on several levels as well. No,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think you already either. I think a lot
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: of people attribute misogyny to realism. If you criticize a
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: behavior and that behavior is common to women, people call
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: it misogynistic because you're criticizing women. But it's okay to
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: criticize the behavior if it's common to men, right, And
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: it's not messandric to criticize that behavior because I'm practice too, Yeah,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: and because the reasons and the most stark example of
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: that I think is I'll have I'll have feminists on X,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: you know, like tell me all men are rapists and
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: that's that's all that they are, you know, like the
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: line the rad femme says in the women's room. But
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: the minute that you point out that there are female rapists,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: well you're bashing women, right.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: I wanted to meet someone who was enterpresures of being
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: dragged down.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's difficult.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: So she found somebody else to talk to.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: You found someone else to talk to?
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so she found somebody eighteen? Oh yeah the article?
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I think this is about actually where
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: we left off before too. Wanted to meet someone who's
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: in the process of being dragged down into the manisphere.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: Found Dan eighteen, who seemed to spend a lot of
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: his time posting on Reddit about men's rights. Notice she
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: didn't say posting men's right Subreddit.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: I love the phrasing of being dragged.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Into the manish. Yeah, that demonstrate that we're low.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right? No, maybe we just you will get
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: the world from a different view than you do. It
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily parting her above the rest of the male society.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: I like, what do you think you are? Do you
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: think you are that men don't deserve to have an
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: opinion about anything?
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I will kill you see what is this publication again?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: Hold on in min.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: Minecraft dragged down? Were you right for prospect? I've never
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: heard of prospect until I found this article.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: Just imagine man saying that you know.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: Into this, you know, into the femisphere.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: Right, you know, they would all be up in arms.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: Let's see if we if we were to construct the
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: idea of a femisphere, just based on the way feminists
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: construct their idea of the manisphere. If we were to
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: construct the idea of a femisphere, obviously feminists and rad
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: fems would be included. They would have to be front
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: and center, even the nice feminists. But you'd also have
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: to include the feminist the closest feminine feminist equivalent of
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: pick up artists, which I think would be the female
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: dating strategists. And uh, I believe that that has existed
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: for as long as male pickup artistry has existed. By
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: the way, you'd have to include.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: To the sixties, right yeah, if if not way beyond
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: this is this is how you manipulate men into giving
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: up their lives for you, isn't it?
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: Isn't that?
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: Isn't that what a what that is? And I'm sorry
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: that I get that's not just a century old, that's
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: a fucking millennium old. Women have been doing that for
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: a really fucking long time.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: What's interesting is that the difference between the big difference
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: that I note at least, between pickup artists and female
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: dating strategists is that while pickup artists can have exploitative attitudes,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: they are nowhere near the level of exploitative bullshit that
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: you see coming out of the female dating strategy like
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: sub subreddit and all that. Now, we don't have access
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: to that anymore because you have to be one of
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: them to get in. Now. As soon as people started
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: talking about them, they went dark, like, oh, no, people
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: know that we exist, turn off that lot light. But yeah,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: they're they're pretty toxic. They're really toxic. Everything for them
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: is about status. It's not about whether or not they're
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: finding somebody to get laid with, or whether or not
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: they're finding somebody to get married, none of that. It's
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: they talk about high value and low value the same
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: way that that pick up artists talk about whether someone is,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: whether someone's high status or low status, and more or
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: less datable as a result, So their entire, their entire
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: take on things really is is that you know, they're
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: and their definition of a high value man like we
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: went through and read about that previously. Uh where it's
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: it's not it's status, but it's not just status. He
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: also has to be completely pussy whipped, like absolutely, she's
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: got to be the queen of his world and he
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: has to be the only subject and has to be servant,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: not you know, fellow royal.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: The idea of a toxic female is not sufficiently got
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: across with the idea of toxicity because it's not it's
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: neither a poison nor a venom, because, as you may know,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: a venom is something bitten into its target by the
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: animal in question, and poison is something that well, if
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: you bite into something and it's toxic, that's poison. If
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: something bites into you and it's top that is then
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: and that's Yeah. These are two whole different areas when
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: it comes to women, and and it's not moved moved
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: along by chemicals. It's moved along by the government because
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: you know that women are not chemically toxic to men,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: but they are afforded a toxic toxicity by by the government.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: Not anymore the government to create all the a B t.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: In a way when when when you look into specific
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: speed secies, like like the duckbil platypus, the male has
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: a uniquely venomous spur on its feet. The duckbil platypus
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: is one of these few species in which the male
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: is uniquely toxic. And there are all kinds of species
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: where the female is uniquely toxic, like spiders, all manner
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: of iraqanids and and insects and whatnot where where it's
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: it's the female is the big, bad boss and the
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: male is just this diminutive thing that hangs like yeah,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: and it's this This is something that I blew Alison's
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: mind with like ten years ago, like isn't it weird
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: how the male is the largest of the species and
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: so many mammals, but the female is the largest of
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: the species and so many insects. And I was like,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: isn't it weird? Isn't it weird? How different that is
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: the term that there's this relative largeness and that in
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: mammals it's the male who's the biggest, but in in
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: insects is the female who's the biggest. But what once
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: you unpack what biggest means, like is it really any
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: of that different when you consider that there is a
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: queen bee, a queen ant, and then and therefore the
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: female is the largest of the species, the the most
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: central of the spec issues. But then when you look
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: at mammals, the male is the biggest. But is it?
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: Is it actually because the male is just out here
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: to do the drone shit, whereas the women is out
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: here to just sit there getting fat and being the
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: the the the center of the hive. And yeah, it's
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: different between mammals and insects and stuff. But at the
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: same time, it's like, yeah, no, it's not weird that
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: the female anglerfish is one hundred times bigger than the
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: male anglerfish, because the female human is one hundred times
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: bigger than the than the male human. Not physically, not physically,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: but in a different way. The female human is one
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: hundred times bigger than the male human in a different way, socially,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: in an all manner of different things. Where I mean,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: you'll you'll have noticed that if something bad happens to
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: a female human, people give one hundred times more of
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: a ship than if a bad thing happens to a
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: to a male human. It's so in a way, it's
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: the same.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: They go on. They mentioned the pickieban in one of
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 4: the paragraphs.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will. I will build on what Doc said,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: though once they because it's something that I've noticed, and
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's part of the reason why women who
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: are socially awkward have an easier time in groups of
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: men than in groups of women. Women have the in
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: group bias, and they have it in two different ways,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: Like they have the you know, the the sisterhood in
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: group bias, but they also have the my clique in
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: group bias and the my click in group bias. Trump's
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: the sisterhood. If you're not part of her click and
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: you don't look like her click, you are not in
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: the sisterhood. You're not in her sisterhood. But a guy
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: can find common ground with you. If he can find
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: any common ground with you and you're not being an
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: asshole to him, he's your friend. He has to have
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: a reason to treat you like shit before he will
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: treat you like shit unless there's something abnormal among men
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: about that guy. Whereas if a woman doesn't have a
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: reason to not treat you like shit, it's pretty normal
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: for her to do so. Just saying let's see Dan
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: is concerned that there's no healthy, positive masculinity anymore. It's
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: feminist fault, he tells me. They've torn down the traditional
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: ideals of manhood, holding doors, being a gentleman and left
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: a space for new world models who might be worse.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: And now they're freaking the fuck out about that. Like,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: they didn't just tear down doors, holding doors and being
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: a gentleman, but they tore down was w It's recognized
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: that if life dumps a huge pile of shit in
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: the middle of your neighborhood, what women will mostly do
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: is yell for help, and what men will mostly be
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: expected to do is grab a shovel and get that
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: shit out of their neighborhood. And after they're done, they
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: won't be thanked for it. They'll be told to take
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: a shower because they stink. That is the way of things, right.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: So it used to be that once those men got
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: all that shit out of the neighborhood, they would be
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: thanked for it. They would be offered a place to
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: go get cleaned up comfortably that was probably made hospitable
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: by the women, and then they would be offered a
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: nice hot meal in response. And that is even if
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: they didn't get paid for it, but they were at
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: least recognized for their service to the community, that they
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: got the shit out of their neighborhood, that life had
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: dumped into the middle of it. The day they're criticized.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: If they don't shovel it, they're criticized. If they do
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: shovel it, the way they shovel it will be criticized.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: The time it takes them to shovel it will be criticized.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: What they do with it, to dispose of it will
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: be criticized. No matter what it is, or whether they've
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: listened to women's advice, it'll still be criticized, and they
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: might even be fined for it. And then if they
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: if they want to rest afterwards, they'll be criticized for that.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: You know, if they want people to recognize that the
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: reason there's no shit in the neighborhood now is that
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: they got rid of it, they're being arrogant and needy
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: and demanding. But if the women take credit, which some
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: women will, then clearly it wasn't the guys that did
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: any of that. It was the women. So what are
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: they even crowing about anyway, And of course they will
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: be told to take a shower because they stink, but
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: won't be recognized that it was because they performed a service.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: Nobody will do anything to make the shower comfortable. They'll
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: probably have cold water and a tent instead of a building,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: and there will be no meal afterward unless they make
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: it themselves, and then they'd better share it with the
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: women or they're being assholes. Right, that's the difference, all
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: of the recognition when women want recognition when they do
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: good things, even just not being such a shitty mother
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: that after you have put your child in a single
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: parent household situation, you don't also neglect a child.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: Women want recognition for that, and they want recognition for
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: that on fucking Father's Day. But if men do great
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: things and they just don't want to be shit on
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: for doing them, even if they don't say, well, look,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: we built the tallest building that ever existed, thank us
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: for it. Just you know, look we built a hospital.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: Please do not castigate us for making it green. Even
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: just that is enough to set women off. How dare
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: you suggest that we should should not say anything about
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: this atrocious color, even though it's normal hospital color right
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: on the inside at least, how dare you that's what
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: women have done to men. And the reason men are
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: seeking new role models isn't just because you know, holding
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: doors and being gentlemen isn't getting the millier. It's because
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: they don't have any roadmap, any social roadmap for how
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: to be an adult male human being in a way
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: that people would treat as a respectable lifestyle. Every lifestyle
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: that was respectable in the past has been tainted with
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: female complaints. So of course now there's other role models,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: and women, like he said, are freaking the fuck out
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: about that. Of course they mentioned Andrew Tate, because you
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: can't have an article about in Cells without mentioning a
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: pickup artist, pemp whatever. Dan is speaking mainly about Andrew Tate,
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: whose rants about why women should serve their partners, as
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: why he has sought out fresh eighteen year old girls,
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: and why rape victims should bear responsibility appear all over
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: teenage boys social media feeds. Tate is facing trial in Romania.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: This is this is old for human trafficking, rape and
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: forming an organized crime group to sexually exploit women. So
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they're going to do when they
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: can't accuse him of crimes when it's there's not anything
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: that they can all he did these things. How do
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: you know, because he's on trial or he's been accused,
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: they they will think of him that way. Still, they'll
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: think of him as an accused man, and to feminists
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: that means guilty. Accused means guilty. But yeah, he was
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: banned from most social media last year, but he still
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: has an x account and live streams with his brother Tristan.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: He is hit and miss, says Dan. But what's the alternative? Gee,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: what's the alternative to Andrew Tate?
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: Guys?
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: I have no idea who else might be talking about
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: men's issues on the entire internet by huh by a
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: live streams. There we go. But you know, they they
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: tried to kill us. They tried to completely destroy our
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: ability to be seen in public. They tried to kill
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: our whole channel, our whole uh feed, everything that we do.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: Now they got Andrew Tate, and he appeals to men
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: a lot more than quote these fake feminized compliant doormats
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: that feminism keeps shoving in men's faces. I don't even
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: know who feminism keeps shoving in men's faces these days.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: Who's the feminist? Who's that guy?
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 4: He's a male feminist that keeps them saying that many
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 4: to do more.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: Oh jeez, guys get out there and shovel more.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 4: Ship basically, and they as well.
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: Jeez, I think I've ran into Dave Ramsey. I'm pretty
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: sure I've ran into Dave Ramsey week the financial guy.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been on the talking points lately.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I I I'm pretty sure that I ran into
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: a thread that he was in because I he he
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: sounded more trad con but was clearly, you know, echoing
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: feminist talking points. But I don't know if he was
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: trying to sound like Matt Will. Yeah, yeah, it's like
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: he was trying to sound more like a trad con
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: but but everything was coming out sounding more like a feminist.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, he wasn't really answering people
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: like me in the thread. Like everybody that he responded to,
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: if I looked at their profiles, they had about ten
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: times as many followers as me or more. So clearly
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: I could just say anything I wanted in the thread
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: and go unchallenged, which you know, on one hand, it's okay.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, I actually like fighting about this
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: stuff on Twitter, so that kind of sucked. But I
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: think that's who I'm I think that's who that was.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: Let's see, some of Dan's beliefs come from his own
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: painful childhood. He blames his mother leaving his father for
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: him being taken into care. My dad couldn't take care
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: of me, he says. If I stayed with my mom,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: I probably could have stayed out of foster care. So
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: that's a tough one because probably if his mom abandoned
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: their household and abandoned his father, that it would be difficult.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: If he was the household breadwinner and had to leave
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: for work every day and didn't have somebody to help
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: provide care, then he would he would end up by default,
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: almost being neglect at least by today's standards, it would.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: It would definitely make things more difficult for Dan because
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: when he was in the foster home, he says he
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: was sexually assaulted by an older boy. The boy was
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: removed from the home but never arrested. Dan thinks this
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: is because he was a male victim. Notice she attributes
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: this just to Dan's opinion. She didn't say anything about
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: but what do you think would have happened if Dan
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: had been Dan Yelle and this boy had been caught
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: doing that to her, because you can bet he'd have
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: been in juvie or jail, depending on how old he was. Well,
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: if he was in a foster home, he was underage,
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: so juve he definitely would have been arrested. But Dan
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: thinks this is because as he was a male victim,
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: not this is because, this is probably because, or this
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: may be because, but just Dan thinks this is because.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: So it's just all in Dan's head, right, the fact
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: that male victims get ignored more often, that they're less
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: likely to victimhood is less likely to result in arrest
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: of their perpetrators, that their perpetrators are less likely to
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: get charged with anything, that if they do get charged,
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: they're less likely to get prosecuted, and if they do
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: get prosecuted, they're less likely to get convicted. If they
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: are convicted, it's usually of a lesser crime and there's
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: usually a lower sentence. Though it's yeah, it's all totally
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: in his head. The entire legal system and the different
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: wording of laws depending on whether or not the victim
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: was penetrated or for to penetrate and you know, or
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: whether whether the assault involved just genitals or anal or
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: anything like that. All of that. That's all in Dan's head.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: Dan is the only person who's ever thought of this,
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: and it never happened in real life. Like that's that's
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: what we're supposed to gather, right. Dan thinks this is
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: because he was a male victim. Bitch, Yeah, it's because
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: he was a male victim. I mean I'm angry, of course,
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: angry at the police because they didn't do anything. At
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: Social Services because they didn't do anything. Dan thinks about
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: the attack a lot. He tried searching for men's sexual
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: abuse survivor groups, couldn't find any in person, only a
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: few on zoom. When he searched for women's groups, there
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: were loads. He is concerned that allegations made by women
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: are taken, if anything, too seriously. He says that he
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: has also seen lots of videos about women making false
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: allegations of rape against men. It's everywhere. He's forced a
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: strange inversion upon his trauma. He was failed by men,
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: but he has decided to be angry with women. Except
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: that's not what he said. She just put that together,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: made it out like it was connected, but that's not
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: actually what he said at all. He said two very
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: different things, probably at two different times, and she has
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: conflated them as if they have a relationship. But the
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: reality is he identified who he was angry at right here.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: He said he was angry at the police because they
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: didn't do anything. Social services because they didn't do anything.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: That's who he's angry at. So she probably pressured him
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: for answers about female sexual assault survivors and also women
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: who make accusations, and then added something that he said
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: in response in but he didn't attach anything like that.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have a quote of him attaching that to
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: his anger about his experience. Dan finished high school last year,
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: where he was he says, an it nerd who wasn't
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: popular it guys were generally pretty lonely. We just talked
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: to ourselves, stick to ourselves. But even when I did
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: try and go out and talk to people, I usually
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: I did usually get rejected. He's continued in this. Vein
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: now works in IT services and lives alone. He has
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: rather strict opinions about female apparel. He doesn't like makeup
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: and fake stuff. I'm wearing makeup, It's not excessive, he says. Embarrassed.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: Dan says his dating life is terrible. He siys men
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: like me can't get anything. You notice what she did
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: in the middle there, she like just completely He talked
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: about being having difficulty finding partner because he's a nerd,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: which that's historically been a problem even And then there's
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: there's another thing with nerds, all right, there's two distinct
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: texts types of nerds. There are people who are nerds
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: because they do something professionally that is nerdy, like it
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: or some sort of hard science research or operating within
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: like the field of engineering mechanics, things like that, where
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: you're highly focused on mathematics and their applications and things
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: like that. Then there's social nerds, and it's people who
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: are are their nerdiness revolves entirely around forms of nerdy entertainment,
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: and they're not necessarily like they don't necessarily do something
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: geeky or nerdy as a profession and they haven't, but
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: maybe they play Dungeons and Dragons or they like video
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: games or things like that, and there's overlap. There's a
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: lot of overlap, but there's a lot of people that
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: are only in one group or the other as well.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: And being in the professional nerd group, uh makes you
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: as a man more likely to have a difficult time
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: finding a partner because your profession. Your profession is more
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: demanding and like of your time and of your your focus,
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: and it may even shape your mind in a way
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: that makes you impatient with social nerds. H But yeah,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: I know some people argue over what's a nerd and
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: what's a geek, But when it comes down to it,
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: geek is almost Historically geek is strictly computers and and
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: everything else is nerd, right, But there's a lot of
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: people these days that look at it from a TV definition,
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: Like there's some some TV show defined geeks as anybody
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: that's into unpopular hobbies and stuff, which I don't agree
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: with that, because, uh, geek was always the the person
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: who really knew how to how to program your computer,
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: how to build a computer, things like that. So in fact,
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: I think that the funny thing about it is that, uh,
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: geek used to be a profession, but uh and and
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: and now people talk about it like it's about hobbies.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so he goes on or well, the thing
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: that I wanted to point out here, right, he's talking
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: about his life, his experiences, his different culties, and his standards.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 4: And she.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: Immediately points out she doesn't meet one of his standards,
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: and he, not wanting to offend her, gets embarrassed and says, well,
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: it's not excessive.
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: She doesn't say anything else. She just shows that he's
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: willing to at least compromise this much. And then he
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: goes on and says this dating life is terrible. So
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: she just inserts these little moments. Right, I dominated this
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: guy into giving me a little concession about my personality
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: aspect that doesn't meet his standards. She probably was offended to,
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: how dare you have standards that I don't meet?
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: How dare you?
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 4: Sir?
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: Most girls my age, right, they look for those hard nuts,
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: those roadmen, those people who don't respect the other gender,
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: Guys who just want some hot chick tits out, really
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: tight shorts and stuff like that, always in a bikini.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: Dan sees women like this all the time, he says,
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: He shakes his head. I'm like or dirty whrror. The
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: words uttered in his mild disapproving voice hang in the air.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: You know what, So what maybe he feels that way.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: The thing is she doesn't have a right to decide
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: what his standards are. You think about this? If she
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: was walking down the street and saw a guy that
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: didn't shave and thought, boom, dirty boom, And somebody disapproved
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: of her attitude toward that guy, wouldn't She called him
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: a misogynist. But he's not allowed to be put off
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: by skimpy clothes and tight tight clothes and too much
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: makeup and you know, being sexually aggressive. Why not? Why
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: isn't he allowed to be put off by that? With
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: smith con be uncomfortable, men can't be uncomfortable and men
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 1: can't have standards. It just and she lectured him for it.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: Do you, I asked Dan, if he thinks it's okay
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: to say that it's only some women? He says, if
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: you just want to show off your big tits, your
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: fake kits, if you want to show off your plastic surgery,
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: get out of my life. These women are not in
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: Dan's life. So she's judging him. There, you see what
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: she did. There? You get he just said, get out
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: of my life if you're like that. And then she
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: said these women are not in Dan's life, like just
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: this snide, Oh yeah right, like he's ever had any
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: involvement with these women. Well, how do you know? Does
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: she know that there's a there's a fetish for smart people.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: There's actually an intelligence fetish. It exists. Uh, we will
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: read two more paragraphs. No, we won't. It's actually nine thirty.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, I didn't realize it was that late. So
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: we'll stop right here and I will highlight this because
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: that's that just blows my mind that she thought that
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: it was okay to do that. Right. He Uh, he does.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: He said his thing about makeup, and she high that
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: she didn't meet his standards in a disapproving way. She
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: highlighted it, and then she disapproved of him having standards
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: for other women. She disapproved of him not wanting to
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: be around a certain type of women, and then she
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: looked down on him right condescended to him by saying, well,
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: these women are not in Dan's life. All she can
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: do is judge. She can't really listen. She can't do
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: what a journalist does. She can't try to understand. She
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: can't give just the facts so that other people can
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: try to understand.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: She has to.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: Bad mouth, belittle, lecture, cajole, castigate, and mock. That's been Yeah,
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: I've been. I've had enough of it. I can't disagree
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: with that, but it's still ugly, Like these women think
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: that men like this are ugly, but they're nowhere near
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: as ugly as this woman is. Maybe not in her face,
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: but her attitude.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 4: Be a personality is ugly.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: Yep, her personality. Her personality would make a troll run
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: away and terror. It's so ugly, pretty sad like. I
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: wonder if she knows that she's a bitch.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 4: I think she does. She's religious in it.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: Do you think she gets off on it?
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: See, I suspect as much too. Some women you can't
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: always tell, like right, some of them are just that
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: way and they don't even realize they're being bitchy. But
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  Speaker 1: I think this woman knows that she's a bitch and
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  Speaker 1: is enjoying every minute of it. But all right, well
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: we will cut it right here. May God good night.
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• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: was our last super chowd. I did not see any
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: super chats go flying by, So I'm just going to
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: scroll back through the entire show's worth of Nope, going
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  Speaker 1: all the way back to signal. I do not see
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: a super chat, so that will be it. Thanks everybody
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  Speaker 1: for listening. Thanks to all my co hosts for going
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  Speaker 1: through this nasty Bitches article with me. We've still got
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  Speaker 1: a ways to go too. Thanks very much to Brian
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  Speaker 1: for making sure this can happen and going late with
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  Speaker 1: us again this week. Good Night, everybody,