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The $25M fund betting on vice with Vice Ventures Founder, Catharine Dockery · Imagine If with Doone Roisin | Health, Wealth & Wisdom for Women (formerly Female Startup Club Podcast)

• 0:00
  This is Catherine Dockery for Female Startup Club.
• 0:12
  Hey everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Female Startup Club. I'm your host, Doona Roisin, and joining me on the show today is Catherine Dockery, the founder behind Vice Ventures, a fund that invests in early stage startups from non-traditional verticals, including cannabis, alcohol, CBD, eSports, addiction recovery, and sex tech.
• 0:34
  Catherine was going through a series of interviews for new jobs in the world of VC and was pitching in an alcohol brand only to be met with the same feedback on repeat. Every fund has a vice clause, they said. And basically that meant that whether or not the opportunity was major, they couldn't invest. And that's how Vice Ventures was born. But I won't spoil any more of the story. Let's just jump right in. This is Catherine for Female Startup Club.
• 0:59
  Catherine, thank you so much for joining Female Startup Club today. We have so much to talk about. I'm so excited and I'm really looking forward to learning about you and your business and how you invest. Awesome. Thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited. Fab. Before we jump into your background and how and why you started Vice Ventures, can you just explain to us what Vice Ventures is in a nutshell? Yeah.
• 1:24
  Yeah. So Vice Ventures is an early stage fund, meaning we invest in pre-seed, seed and very selective series A's. And we invest in Vice, which we define as cannabis, alcohol, nicotine, sex tech, sexual wellness, porn, ketamines, psilocybin. Like we look at the whole gamut. Sounds really interesting. There's some words you said there that I don't even know what they mean. Psilocybin? What's that?
• 1:51
  Um, so it's the active ingredient and like what people call magic mushrooms. Oh, okay. Got it. Great. Learning something one minute in. I love it. Um, let's go back to before you got started with, uh, the fund and what you were doing before and that kind of light bulb moment that led you to starting the business.
• 2:11
  Yeah, so I guess I'll start my experience in college. I went to New York University, which is actually three blocks away from where I grew up. Nice. So I'm a big, I'm all about branching out. In college, I worked for four years every summer, basically, on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange and during school. I absolutely loved it. Like one of my favorite jobs I've ever had, for sure. And when I was down there, I started writing a blog called Dockery's Daily Docket.
• 2:38
  And I was so cool. I was such a cool kid that I would wake up at 4.30 in the morning to write this. Oh my God, stop. Everybody loved me. I had so many friends, clearly. And then basically that blog ended up getting like over 5,000 readers. So basically from there, I got a job offer to work on a trading desk, like right out of college at Citigroup. And that was the worst job I've ever had by far. Oh,
• 3:03
  I was on a like a high yield desk and just I guess just to provide some color high yield traders tend to be like the most bro-y of like all of the traders and they all put the cross and like football and they like and the culture is very much like super aggressive and they just like scream at each other all day and I'm way too sensitive I learned about myself to be in an environment where people are just screaming like even when we were like what do you want to do?
• 3:31
  one for lunch? And I was like, oh my God. Oh my God. I don't know. This is hot stress. What should I have for lunch? I think this is awful. So I quit after my second bonus. I had no, literally no idea what I wanted to do at all. My then boyfriend and my now husband, he was like, why don't you just take some months to like, think about it, like do some soul surgery and whatever. So I spent nine months interviewing, getting a ton of job offers and being like, okay.
• 3:58
  not for me. I'm playing the field here. Yeah. I'm like, I hate all of this. So then I connected, um, with another alumni of NYU and she had a PR firm and like, I knew absolutely nothing about PR like literally nothing.
• 4:15
  So I was like, oh, that sounds interesting. And she was super nice. And the environment was great. But then day two of it, I was working part-time. I was working two days a week. So my second day there, I just realized that I was incredibly bored. And I just didn't find it interesting. I mean, I found it interesting the way the media works. That was super interesting to me. But the actual idea of pitching clients was just not something I was meant for.
• 4:40
  So anyway, fast forward, I met one of the co-founders of Bonobos. He basically like within two hours of us knowing each other, he was like, I want you to work for me. And I was like, that sounds great. Amazing. Like no idea what I was doing. I was like, I'd love to work for you.
• 4:57
  Um, so I ended up being his personal chief of staff because he has two other businesses that he helped co-found, um, besides from Bonobos. And he also just as, um, as a leader, he just like has so much going on, right? Like he had a very expansive portfolio, private investments. He also like was setting up a family office and it was just awesome to like learn VC, right. By actually doing and like, like Googling, like what is a series C, right? Like, yeah.
• 5:24
  So I guess that's how I got my start in venture. And then when Walmart acquired Bonobos, I followed the founder to Walmart. And then basically within the first two weeks realized that like it was definitely not for me either. Like nothing to do. Like Walmart is great and people love working there. But like when you grow up in New York City and you've never been to a Walmart business,
• 5:43
  until you work there. It's like a culture shock, right? I mean, it'd be a culture shock for me like anywhere else in the country, right? But so I wanted to leave. Andy was like, if you can just stay six months, that would be great. And I was like, sure, I can do that. No problem. And then I used that six-month period to interview at a lot of consumer venture firms. And I personally had invested in an alcohol business that was doing well.
• 6:05
  And so I just kept pitching them at all the interviews. And they're like, I just kept hearing endlessly. They're like, Catherine, like, we don't disagree with you, but we're not allowed to invest in that because we have this vice clause. And then finally, in an interview, I was like, can you just define what a vice clause is? And they're like, yeah, it basically means like we can't invest in alcohol, nicotine, cannabis, like CBD, anything sexual wellness, like online betting or like skill based betting or whatever. Yeah.
• 6:30
  But why? Why? What's that close? Because, so if you think about the whole financial system, the smallest pool of capital, basically, or like assets under management is venture capital. Like it's tiny, like, it's the highest risk you can do. So...
• 6:46
  people aren't as selective about who their LPs are a lot of the time, um, just because they're just happy to get money. So because of that, um, pension funds and endowments and a lot of these places of like, if you're at a university endowment, you probably don't want to invest in nicotine right now. Right. So yeah. So that's like why the vice clause exists. Got it. Got it. Okay. Okay.
• 7:07
  And then fast forward, I was like super fed up with this. And I listened to so many thesis of funds. And I'm like, being consumer agnostic is not a thesis, right? Like, that's just like being really opportunistic. And like, that's like throwing darts, in my opinion. Yeah, so then I decided I was going to do this. I had no idea if I'd get funding at all. I like don't come from money. Like my dad was a bartender. And I had a student loan. So at that point, I was like, if this fails, like I'll just get another job, right? Like I literally have nothing to lose.
• 7:36
  So then I just started cold emailing people, um, begging my friends who worked at media outlets, like for emails of like important people and they would give it to me, which was fantastic. But yeah. So the first person, um, that basically I emailed, I was like, who's the richest and most powerful and like one brilliant person I can think of. And I was like, Mark Andreessen. So I like send him a cold email and he responded and
• 8:01
  But I mean, my time. Yeah, he responded like within five hours, which is I think incredible because he probably gets more emails than anybody on the planet. And he was like, I would love to talk to you about this. Super interesting. Like, what are you available? And I remember it so well because I just woke up in the middle of the night. And I was like, Oh, let me check my phone. It was literally 142 in the morning. And I just started like screaming. I was like, Oh my god, oh my god,
• 8:26
  I can't believe it. And I like woke my husband up and he like has to like wake up for work at like 5.30. So he was just like, this better be important. What did you say in the email? Like, what do you think made him write back to you and read it? Yeah. So I was just like, this is what I was like, you don't know me, but I know you. Yeah.
• 8:46
  And basically it was like, I like, this is, this is what I did in my past. Like in one paragraph, the next paragraph, I was like, this is what I'm doing now. And like the third paragraph, I was like, I think you would be really value add for these reasons. Like, but also totally understand if it's not interesting to you.
• 9:01
  And that's the email I sent to like over 500 people to get funding. But yeah. Wow. And so you go and you meet him, I assume, and like tell him your idea. And in that meeting, do you be like, hey, do you want to invest in my fund? Like, was it that black and white?
• 9:17
  Well, yeah. So I, he has this like incredible executive assistant, like she's phenomenal. And she's like one of those people that writes you emails and you're like, oh, I can like feel your heart through this email. So when I walked up and then I walked into the office, like or like the waiting room, obviously I like looked her up. I was like, what does she look like? Like I need to recognize her. And when she came and I was like, gave her a hug. And I was like, thank you so much for like being so patient with me when I emailed you every week to see if the meeting was still on.
• 9:46
  um she was like oh don't worry like whatever so she walked me into his office and I was so starstruck that he like put his hand out and was like I'm Mark Andreessen and I was like I know you're like high-fiving yourself
• 10:03
  This is happening. Exactly. And I was like, I need to calm down. I need to calm down. And then another partner walked in and I was like, oh my God. Anyway, anyway, fast forward, they ended up committing. It was one of the best moments of my life, like without question. And then after they committed, it was a lot easier to raise money. Right. Yeah. Which was awesome. So like we raised money basically in five months or five and a half months.
• 10:30
  And I was actually on a panel yesterday with another fund and they're like, oh, it took us three years to raise capital. And I was like, I am very lucky. Yeah. Wow. And I read that you raised around 25 million in that five months. Right. So still like a huge amount. It's really cool. Very exciting. And then what happens next? Do you basically start looking for brands? Are you like putting the feelers out, talking to everyone, you know, or do people start coming to you immediately? How does it work?
• 10:59
  Yeah. So we, um, very early on, like before the fund even closed, um, shout out to my lawyer, Luke Bagley, who dealt with this cause he's amazing. Shout out to Luke. Hey Luke. Um, Luke Bagley. Yes. Family. And basically the fund leaked before it closed. So like the wall street journal ended up writing about it and that's illegal.
• 11:19
  to market your fund before it closes. So we ended up being in like a whole new, like legal category, which is crazy. Again, he's incredible. So like if vice renters definitely would not be here without his guidance, clearly. Yeah. So then basically like fast forward five months, whatever dude. And we ended up closing on June 27th of 2019. And that day was so crazy. Like more attention than I've ever received in the entirety of my life.
• 11:49
  I wasn't great with attention. At our wedding, I fired my parents going down the aisle. I was like, you guys stay here. I like to be in control. Fired your parents. Lol. So was mom and dad. There's actually a photo from our wedding of them high-fiving each other as I fire them and walk down.
• 12:14
  um yeah I'm charming I told you I'm super charming um yeah so the fund closed we got a ton of attention um and then founders just started reaching out left and right and they're like this is a great idea like we have this idea we've had so much trouble getting meetings with bcs because like they just refuse to invest in these categories like whatever um
• 12:36
  And then from there, like we got endless inbounds. Like we've seen over 2000 companies in the first year and we don't really work with other funds pretty much because like a lot of funds can't invest in what we invest in. So like that's just all inbound. Yeah. So insane. Holy moly. That's like multiple per day. How big is your team now?
• 12:55
  Oh my God. So it was just me for the first year. That's like three meetings a day. That's more. It was wild. My day was literally like 8am to like happy hour to like dinner. Like it was like literally nuts. Out of 2000 people, what's the like, how many companies out of 2000 are you like, I'm interested in these?
• 13:16
  Uh, probably like 25% ish. And of the two, I think it's like 2004 to be exact that we've seen. Um, we've invested in eight. Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah.
• 13:30
  Holy moly. And so when these people reach out to you, when founders reach out, what is it to you that sparks your interest to even get a meeting? And for people listening who want to go down that route of VC or being, you know, on someone's radar, what should they be thinking about? And, you know, there's obviously so much research online about what goes into a pitch and like what needs to be there, but what, in your opinion, creates that sparkle?
• 13:57
  Yeah, so I guess pictures that stick out to us is one, when people spell my name correctly. No, it sounds stupid, but that's like an attention to detail. Yeah, yeah. So people would be like Kath Erwin instead of like Kath Erwin. And that says a lot about a person, right? Like if they can't get the name right of the person they're trying to get funding from, then like what are their financials look like, right? Like where are the other typos? Like that's the first thing my team and I look at and like immediately pass on.
• 14:26
  And you'd be surprised. Like it happens like more often than not. That is so bizarre. So bizarre. But like some things we do look for are like super strong brands. So like a great example of that is a company called Recess. And it's a CBD sprinkling water. And we were like, I think like one of the first checks, if not the first check in. And I literally committed in three hours. Like just like talking to him and like Ben Whitty is a total genius. And just the brand of Recess, like,
• 14:54
  almost every American has taken a recess, right? Like throughout their childhood for the first like 13 years of their lives. Right. And like most people are nostalgic for their childhood. So to me, I was like, this is going to sell super well. Yeah. Wow. I didn't think of that, like psychology behind that particular name. That's so cool.
• 15:13
  Yes. So, um, yeah, I was like immediately in like, it was like, there's two companies that I've, three companies that I've done that with. The second one is a business called Parade. Oh, I love them. They're on my list. Oh, do you know them? Amazing. I want them on the podcast.
• 15:29
  Yeah, they're amazing. I'm very, very good friends with the founders. I mean, we're kind of like good friends with all of our founders. And like, when our analyst, Aaron Rudder started, we had like a few LPs reach out to him. And they were like, congratulations, like starting like, welcome to the Vice Ventures family. And like, because that's kind of how we operate.
• 15:49
  So like, for example, like parade founders, like I've gotten calls from them at like one in the morning sometimes. Right. And we would talk at 4 a.m. sometimes about like trying to figure out how to build this business. And I'm like, yeah. And then Lucy is another one that we're big investors in. And it's a nicotine company. It's like nicotine gums and lozenges. And the whole thesis there is that the founders, they were also the founders of Soylent or some of the founders of Soylent.
• 16:17
  um and they were addicted to combustible cigarettes and then they moved to a vape and like like he's a genius and he's like going towards harm reduction which is his whole point of the company and like that's a major thesis of ours and yeah so we met with them i was like excuse my friend but i was like holy shit he's a genius like i want to be on his side for the rest of his life i love that wow what a compliment
• 16:41
  No, he's literally incredible. Like I feel that way about like all my founders. Like I hope I go to their birthday parties, right? We get drinks together. Like I'm very, very close to the people I work with. Even the people that work for me. Like I had an analyst start this week and like we're sending him. Yeah, I can say this because it's not going to come out by Friday. We're sending him a like a cake and being like happy first week. Oh, cute. I love that. Yeah, right? Good culture. Yeah.
• 17:07
  Yeah. Like in COVID when you're not working together, like it's important to make people feel heard. You've got to be creative about that. And so just going back to the pitch thing and what stands out to you, do you guys have like a quota of what you want to, how many companies you want to invest in? Or is it just kind of like, as it comes, like, what if you had 20 brands that you were like, I want all 20 of these or like, how does it work on that kind of front?
• 17:35
  Yeah. So I think like if we had seen 20 businesses that we love, like we would cut checks, right? Like we're brand investors, we're big believers and like we have a lot of connections with distribution. So like it makes a lot of sense for us to invest in brands that would propel like do super well, like with the more retail footprints they have. Right. Because that's like kind of how brands are built.
• 17:57
  Yeah. And do they have to be at a certain stage by the time you meet with them? Like it can't just be, I know you said you were investing around seed and then from there. So you wouldn't even meet with someone if they were just like early on kind of thing.
• 18:11
  Oh, totally. We invested recess before I even tried the product. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Like we pre-product invest all the time. Got it. And I wanted to ask before, when you guys were launching the fund, was there any other fund that does vice businesses at that point? Are you still the only one doing that?
• 18:31
  Yeah. Wow. I mean, I'm sure there's going to be copycats, right? Like, of course, because the thesis is working. But yeah, we were the first ones. And like, in the beginning, when I was doing this, it was very difficult. Because I mean, the people who invested like, got it immediately. And they're like, this totally makes sense. But other general partners of funds are generally significantly older than I am. And they all invest in like, very similar things. So they're like competing with deals with each other. And like, that's not my competition.
• 18:59
  Right. Like it's it doesn't like I would much rather just like be friendly with them. And at the beginning, people were like, what you're doing is terrible. Like, I can't believe it. Like vice is awful. And I was like, actually, that's the whole point of this fund is that we invest in good companies, like operating in like superficially bad industries. So I was like, that's actually the entire point of what we're doing. Yeah.
• 19:20
  That's so crazy that you guys are the only, the only fun doing it because yeah, it just blows my mind. It's so cool. It's so visionary. I love that. Wow. Yeah. What kind of challenges do you face then? Do you have lots of like legal battles like internally or not like internally? I mean, but do you, yeah, my employees sue me left and right. What kind of unique set of challenges do you have?
• 19:45
  So I guess one is definitely regulatory. So like when we first invested in recess, it was illegal. Like the hemp app, like Mr. McConnell hadn't passed the hemp app. Like we had no idea if like it was going to work or not. Like it was like really throwing the dice there. And it ended up working. And like the founder like now like works with lobbyists and was like at the table, like the round table hemp program, which is like,
• 20:11
  the biggest CBD companies like are on there. Like think of like Charlotte's web and all of those. And like, he's the only beverage, right. And like, he's also like the only like venture backed startup business that that's there. Right. So yeah. So like betting on like a horse definitely makes sense. Right. Like betting on somebody who's like so determined to succeed that they'll work with Republicans and Democrats, like literally just to get something done is like,
• 20:35
  I mean, especially in America these days, like that's like absolutely incredible. Like, yeah. Wow. Amazing. I want to talk a little bit about your personal investing and how you started out. What's your advice for people who want to do angel investing and how do people get started? Like if I was like, yeah, I want to invest in a brand, what would I do?
• 20:57
  Um, so I think it's incredibly difficult to invest in a brand if you don't work in venture capital, because there's just so much information that you're probably missing. And because of that, my husband and I only invest in funds because it makes a lot more sense to like put $500,000 say right into a fund that's going to invest in like 40 companies or 40 businesses that, and then you're like rolling the dice with like more than one. Right. So you're like kind of guaranteed a return, but like obviously not guaranteed legally, but yeah.
• 21:26
  if you invest in a single company, like I honestly wish that I had invested in fund instead of investing in private companies, like to begin with, just because I think the returns would have been a lot better for me. Right. But that being said, if there are people listening to this that are looking to invest in brands,
• 21:42
  you just got to ask a ton of questions, right? You need to ask like what they believe, like are they only going to be online? Are they going to be in stores? Like where do they source whatever they source from, whatever ingredient, right? Who's doing the branding? Like does the branding click? Like have you done any like testing on the product, right? Like we sent the product to 50 people and see what they say, right? 50 like random people that you, that are friends of friends that have no tie to the company, right? So like that's, I think like a really good way to vet a company. Mm-hmm.
• 22:11
  Cool. Noted. From the point of view from a VC, what is your main piece of advice for women who have a big idea and want to launch their own business?
• 22:25
  Yeah, so I have a different view on that, kind of. I think that as a woman founder, I never felt really except one time any negative effects of being a woman in business. So I think if you are a woman founder and you're looking for women investors, there's zillions of funds out there that only invest in women now. That's a pretty established thesis at this point. So they should know who to reach out to.
• 22:54
  And if they're looking for funding, not just for women funders, I mean, just start doing research, right? Like, be like, is this a beauty company? If it is, like, who are the best beauty investors, right? Like, who's interested in this? Like, can I cold email a founder of a beauty company and, like, get advice from them, right? Like, venture capital is all about, like, networking, right? And, like, figuring out, like, where you fit in and, like, where you can succeed best. So I think it's definitely...
• 23:19
  For example, when we get cold pitches and they tell us exactly why they think we're a good fit for them, we always take the meeting. Always. Even if we're not super interested in the product, then we'll take the meeting to see if we can help them connect them with other people to raise money.
• 23:35
  We even like take meetings of non-invites. They're super thoughtful pitches. Like we took a cookie dough company pitch and like connected them with like 10 investors. Right. Like, even though it's like so out of our mandate, but I don't know, we try to do the right thing by like everybody that we cross. It sounds like a really like, I don't know if this is the right way to say it, but like a really empathetic approach to just not ghost people and be like, no, like I like what you're putting down here. Like I'll, I'll give you some time of my day. I love that.
• 24:02
  Yeah. Yeah. So we're big on like a lot of VCs don't answer companies. They'll just like delete the email and like just ghost on them. And we, we answer every email. We try to answer every email, I guess. And we get so many of them. I probably miss two or three a day, but like I do everything in my power to answer every email and to like give founders feedback on like water passing. Wow. Amazing. I love that.
• 24:28
  We are up to the six quick questions part of the episode. My favorite part. Well, one of my favorite parts. Question number one. What is your why? Yeah, so I guess it all starts with my childhood, right? My dad was a bartender in New York City. I would hang out with him at the bar. I was around alcohol at the time. And to me, alcohol was fine and not a big deal because it
• 24:55
  paid it, like literally paid our rent. Right. And like put food on the table and like the service industry, like that's where I grew up. Right. So like, in my mind, like alcohol and like cannabis and all this stuff is not actually bad. So like, for me, I like started taking it personally, which like I shouldn't have, but I did like when a lot of these funds were like, we don't invest in alcohol. Like we like, that's a huge vice, right? Like we would never touch alcohol. And I'm like, that is such a closed minded view. Like,
• 25:23
  Yeah. To me, I was like, there's a ton of money to be made in it, first of all. And second of all, like, maybe if we talked about it more often as a society, like maybe we wouldn't have like so many drunk driving, right? Like the more that you bring up, like some of these stigmatized companies or industries, like I think the better society, like the better society actually could be, right? For sure. Question number two is what's been the number one marketing moment for you that made your business pop?
• 25:53
  I like, so it's a really good question. We've had so many press hits that now I'm like thinking about it. I think interviewing on CNBC was a big deal. We got, I think like 250 emails after that of like some people who are looking to invest, like some people who like wanted to pitch our companies, like some people who are like, I don't have the money to invest, but like, I think like this person would be super interested. Like, are you open to the...
• 26:18
  intro. And like, that was probably a moment where I was like, wow, like vice mentors, like potentially could succeed. Oh, I love that. That's so cool. It must have been so exciting to receive like just such a bombarding moment of interested people, interested parties. Question number three is where do you hang out to get smarter?
• 26:39
  My husband, I hang out with him all day. He literally is the smartest person I've ever met in my life. Like, literally. I have gotten so much smarter dating and marrying him. What does he do? What?
• 26:50
  Um, he trades equity derivatives, um, and studied financial engineering operations research at Princeton. So we have very different skill sets. I don't know what any of that means. Yeah. Yeah. Me either. He had to like explain to me and I was like, Oh, got it. Okay. I've got it written down notes. Yeah, exactly. Like sometimes he saves things and I'm like, Oh, I got to write this down. Like this is brilliant. Oh, that's so nice. I love that. Yeah.
• 27:17
  Question number four is how do you win the day? And that's around your AM and PM rituals that keep you feeling productive, happy, successful, motivated, et cetera. Yeah. So I try and run. I like run a marathon before. So I like, I'm like a pretty big runner, but like,
• 27:36
  Starting the fun left me with no free time because it was literally just me running it completely. So I kind of fell out of shape for two years-ish. So then with the pandemic, it's been such a good release for me to get out of the house, to go running, to find a running path where a ton of people aren't on. So that I found really entertaining and relaxing, especially because I was learning more and more about the city that I've lived in almost my entire life.
• 28:04
  Right. Like, so like that is like super, like that's definitely relaxes me. Finding the new spots in the city. I like that. Question number five is if you only had, this one might not be super relevant to you because it's usually targeted to e-commerce brands, but if you only had a thousand dollars left in your business bank account, where would you spend it?
• 28:25
  Um, I think I would put a thousand dollars. Actually, I would probably give it to one of my employees. I literally, I think I would split it between both of them and like, congratulations, like small bonus. That's like, I think that's how I would probably spend it. Please stick with me. Don't leave me, please. I'll crumble. Nice. Very nice. And question number six is how do you deal with failure? And that can be around like a personal experience or it can be just your general mindset and approach.
• 28:54
  Yeah. So I guess one way I deal with failure is that like, I'm not really a competitive person. Like I'm, I'm like super collaborative and I'm like, I see people succeed. Like it makes me so happy. Like another example is like, my husband watches football, like primarily football and soccer, I guess he just grabbed me. But the only reason why I watch it is because I love watching people like score. Right. Like, and just like seeing the celebrations, I'm like, this is the whole point of sports. Right. Like it's to feel like you're doing something that's like impossible. Yeah.
• 29:22
  Um, yeah. Nice. Very nice. Thank you so much for taking the time to be on the podcast today. I have absolutely loved getting to know about your business and where it's at and all the cool things that you have going on. Thank you so much for having me. This is a blast.
• 29:43
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• 30:30
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• 30:47
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• 31:12
  And if you're a founder building an e-commerce brand, you can join our private network of entrepreneurs called Hype Club at femalestartupclub.com forward slash Hype Club. We have guests from the show joining us for intimate Ask Me Anythings, expert workshops, and a group of totally amazing, like-minded women building the future of D2C brands.
• 31:34
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