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The Kenny Report | 8 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another action packed week here
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Speaker 2: on the Kenny Report. The crime wave gripping Melbourne, young
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Speaker 2: lives being wasted, Innocent victims are plenty.
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Speaker 3: What can be done?
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Speaker 2: Triple killer Aaron Patterson, the mushroom murderer, jailed for at
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Speaker 2: least thirty three years?
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Speaker 3: Will she ever leave prison?
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Speaker 2: Anti Israel hatred spills onto Bondo Beach, but at least
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Speaker 2: there was some pushback and Senator Jacinta Nampa jimper Price
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Speaker 2: derails the coalition's immigration debate as Dick Smith ramps up
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Speaker 2: his call to lower our migrant intake.
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Speaker 1: All that and.
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Speaker 2: Lots more with Sophie Ellsworth in the UK, plus Gematon
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Speaker 2: Uni and Christy McSweeney.
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Speaker 3: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: It is a big news day and there are volatile
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Speaker 2: issues at play. There's plenty to talk about on crime
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Speaker 2: and punish and I'll get to the sentencing of that
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Speaker 2: evil triple murderer Aaron Patterson in just a moment. But
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Speaker 2: I want to start on another multiple killing, also in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: But this one happened just over the weekend. The horrific
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Speaker 2: machete attack that killed two young boys in the outer
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Speaker 2: suburbs of Western Western Suburbs of Melbourne. Twelve year old
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Speaker 2: Shol and fifteen year old Apbung were brutally stabbed and
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Speaker 2: hacked with machetes as they walked home from a bus
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Speaker 2: stop on Saturday night.
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Speaker 3: This was a shocking crime and.
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Speaker 2: Police believed the pair were targeted by a gang, perhaps
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Speaker 2: in a case of mistaken identity.
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Speaker 4: Two young friends on their way home from basketball brutally
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Speaker 4: ambushed and attacked by a gang of machete building thugs,
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Speaker 4: the pair dying just meet us apart, leaving behind two
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Speaker 4: heartbroken families. Neighbors heard the boys screaming in the usually
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Speaker 4: quiet Cobblebank streets and rush to help, but the boys
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Speaker 4: couldn't be saved.
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Speaker 2: Just a sickening waste of young lives and a frightening
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Speaker 2: reality check about the level of violent crime in Melbourne shoplifting,
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Speaker 2: ram raids, home invasions and gang crime. Remember just seven
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Speaker 2: years ago this was called out by then Minister for
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs Peter Dutton in a radio interview with me
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Speaker 2: on Sydney's two GP.
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Speaker 5: The reality is people are scared to go to restaurants
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Speaker 5: at nighttime because they're followed home by these gangs, home
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Speaker 5: invasions and cars are stolen, and I would just need
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Speaker 5: to call to what it is. Of course it's African
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Speaker 5: gang violence. It's not the whole community. There are many
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Speaker 5: good people within the community that would condemn this action
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Speaker 5: as so strong as you and I would.
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Speaker 2: Now this sparked outrage not about the crime, but against
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Speaker 2: Dutton for being so blunt about the problem and, according
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Speaker 2: to his critics, for exaggerating the problem.
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Speaker 6: This is not a crisis we've seen.
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Speaker 7: Sure, a spike in relation is some anti social behavior over.
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Speaker 6: Summer in the last few weeks, but this is not
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Speaker 6: a crisis. I just put that down to people coming
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Speaker 6: up with excuses for why they couldn't meet Dutton for dinner,
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Speaker 6: you know, like I can't get a babysit of Peter.
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Speaker 6: I have a work thing in the morning, Peter, I
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Speaker 6: can't make it to the restaurant because I'm scared of
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Speaker 6: the African gang's Peter. I think the government is facing
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Speaker 6: the Super Saturday elections next week and to put it crudely,
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Speaker 6: they want to appear tough on Sudanese migrants, despite the
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Speaker 6: fact those migrants are responsible for just one percent of crime,
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Speaker 6: because being tough on that community wins votes in this country.
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Speaker 8: You know, the last meaningful contribution that Peter Dutton made
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Speaker 8: to Victoria was to tell everyone not to go out
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Speaker 8: for dinner. Like he's happiest when he's bagging Melbourne and
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Speaker 8: bagging Victoria.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Just imagine if instead of attacking Peter Dutton and denying
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Speaker 2: the problem, the media and the Victorian labor government had
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Speaker 2: concentrated on getting on top of their crime problem, especially
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Speaker 2: youth crime and gain crime. It is quite literally a
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Speaker 2: life and death issue. I mean, they have a machete
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Speaker 2: amnesty going on now in Victoria. Seriously, a machete amnesty scheme.
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Speaker 2: Imagine that they're calling on people to hand in their
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Speaker 2: machetes in a thirteen million dollar scheme. They've got special
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Speaker 2: bins in place for people to deposit their machetes and
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Speaker 2: escape prosecution, which of course means the most dangerous criminals
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Speaker 2: will just hang on to theirs. Look, crime is a
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Speaker 2: problem all around the country, sure, and no police force
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Speaker 2: or government is ever going to eradicate crime altogether. But
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Speaker 2: violent crime is a particular problem in Melbourne. A cop
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Speaker 2: killer is still on the loose in Victoria and aside
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Speaker 2: from those two stabbing deaths, on the week there was
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Speaker 2: another drive by shooting murder in the CBD. Instead of
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Speaker 2: getting outraged about anyone mentioning African gangs or referencing the
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Speaker 2: fear of Melbournians, it's actually high time that governments got
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Speaker 2: outraged about the crimes and did more to crack down
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Speaker 2: on crime and preserve law and order. This country's endless
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Speaker 2: beaches where we go to leave our troubles behind, rich
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Speaker 2: or poor, old and young people from every possible ethnic group.
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Speaker 2: They hit the beaches to leave their troubles behind and
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Speaker 2: share the sand and the sea for free. Our beaches
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Speaker 2: are about as free, diverse and egalitarian as you can
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Speaker 2: get in this free, diverse and egalitarian country, and Bondi
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Speaker 2: Beach is probably our most famous beach.
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Speaker 3: Yet the pro Palestinian.
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Speaker 2: Mob, the anti Israel protesters, decided to take their hatred
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Speaker 2: to Bondai on the weekend. This was a provocative move
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Speaker 2: because the Bondai area is home to a large number
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Speaker 2: of Australian Jewish communities, more than any other area of Sydney,
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Speaker 2: and once again these protesters crossed the line. They yielded
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Speaker 2: religious slogans for starters, and worse, there were chants for interfada,
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Speaker 2: that is chance calling for terrorist uprisings against Jews and Israel.
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Speaker 2: This is just shocking stuff. This is barracking for terrorism.
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Speaker 2: Some Australians who are Jewish turned up to provide a
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Speaker 2: counter protest at Bondai. Some just scrambled down to the
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Speaker 2: beach when they heard about this protest, and surprise, surprise,
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Speaker 2: we ended up with some scuffles. Now, this sort of
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Speaker 2: violence is the last thing we want to see anywhere
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Speaker 2: in Australia, let alone on Bondi Beach. But I'm glad
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Speaker 2: that the supporters of Israel turned up there to provide
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Speaker 2: a counter protest to counter the anti Israeli protest.
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Speaker 3: It's worth pointing out that the pro.
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Speaker 2: Israel crowd flew Israeli flags and Australian flags, which is
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Speaker 2: pretty typical of their gatherings.
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Speaker 3: But the anti Israel mob.
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Speaker 2: Fly only the flag of the non existent Palestinian state,
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Speaker 2: as we've seen in other gatherings, sometimes the symbols of
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Speaker 2: terrorist organizations, sometimes also the Aboriginal flag for some reason.
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Speaker 2: And then keep in mind those hateful chants of interfada
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Speaker 2: and listen to how the counter protests tried to meet
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Speaker 2: that hate with what.
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Speaker 1: Looked like joy.
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Speaker 2: It's unfortunate to have to point out these differences in attitudes,
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Speaker 2: but it's just the facts, and we need to share
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Speaker 2: with you the facts. There are plenty of people, plenty
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Speaker 2: of places you don't get them. Now, have a look
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Speaker 2: at this exchange on the Gold Coast. Now, I don't
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Speaker 2: know what triggered this encounter, but the attitude of the
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Speaker 2: anti Israel activist speaks for itself.
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Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no no.
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Speaker 10: They long live the US, long live the resistance, and
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Speaker 10: to get it out of the duct Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, get it cold.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: People such Arael take.
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Speaker 2: Just horrible stuff. Where do these people get their hatred?
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Speaker 2: How can they be so ignorant? It's sickening to see
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Speaker 2: this division anywhere in the world, let alone in our
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Speaker 2: own country. Everyone has the right to protest, but when
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Speaker 2: it's hateful and provocative, let's call it out and not
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Speaker 2: try to pretend that both sides are equally to blame. Now,
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Speaker 2: while I'm on the Middle Eastern issues, I want to
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Speaker 2: share with you to some of a great speech by
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Speaker 2: senior US Republican Senator Tom Cotton. His moral clarity, his
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Speaker 2: factual arguments, and his clear expression on the AID situation
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Speaker 2: in Gaza are excellent.
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Speaker 11: Since a Maas started this war with its brutal atrocities,
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Speaker 11: Israel has helped bring into Gaza approximately ninety six thousand
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Speaker 11: trucks containing their one and a half million tons of food,
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Speaker 11: forty six thousand tons of medical supplies, sixty thousand tons
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Speaker 11: of water, and around one hundred seventy thousand tons of
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Speaker 11: shelter equipment.
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Speaker 2: Now, Coppin went on to explain that much aid, that
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Speaker 2: there's much more AID already in Gaza, but it's waiting
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Speaker 2: to be distributed because of ongoing problems.
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Speaker 11: After all, Hamas's infiltration of UNAID mechanisms is well documented.
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Speaker 11: Time and again we have seen Hamas terrorists divert AID
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Speaker 11: shipments to themselves or loot delivery trucks only to resell
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Speaker 11: the supplies on the black market at outrageous prices. Last year,
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Speaker 11: this terraced, infiltrated AID system managed by the UN and
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Speaker 11: others allowed Hamas to rake in more than half a
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Speaker 11: billion dollars in profit profits that fund Hamas's campaign of
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Speaker 11: terror against Israel and its own people.
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Speaker 2: And to provide some context, the senators spoke about how
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Speaker 2: during the Second World War, the Allies didn't help Japan
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Speaker 2: and Germany with supplies, they blockaded them to try to
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Speaker 2: force shortages.
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Speaker 11: When in the annals of history has the victim of
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Speaker 11: an unprovoked war of aggression ever been held responsible for
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Speaker 11: the nutrition of the aggressor. Put simply, Israel doesn't have
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Speaker 11: any responsibility to send a single loaf of bread to Gaza.
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Speaker 3: So he wasn't arguing that Israel should not send aid.
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Speaker 2: He was pointing out that hypocrisy, that standard that's imposed
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Speaker 2: on Israel and has never been imposed on any other
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Speaker 2: nation at war.
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Speaker 11: But despite all that, despite the brutal slaver of near
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Speaker 11: twelve hundred Israelis on October seventh, despite Hamas's continued repression
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Speaker 11: of its own people, Israel is still delivering aid to
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Speaker 11: Gaza while Harmas rips it from the hands of hungry children.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Senator Cotton has made plain the reality that so
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Speaker 2: many people in politics and the media simply ignore.
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Speaker 11: Put simply, children in Gaza aren't going hungry because of
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Speaker 11: lack of supplies from Israel. They're suffering because Hamas uses
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Speaker 11: food and humanitarian aid as a weapon to stay in power.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he closed with the call that should be
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Speaker 2: echoed by every politician in every liberal democracy in the world.
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Speaker 2: It's a point that I've made here now for twenty
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Speaker 2: three months when it comes to the conflict, and for
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Speaker 2: the past year or so when it comes to the
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Speaker 2: humanitarian crisis. It's a point made often by Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: but which is tragically not made by other political leaders,
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Speaker 2: including our own Prime minister, who prefer to demonize israel I. Mean,
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Speaker 2: why can't Anthony Albanesi just for once say something as
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Speaker 2: clear and as morally indisputable as this.
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Speaker 11: The fastest way to end the humanitarian crises in Gaza
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Speaker 11: is for Hamas to surrender and release the hostages here here.
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Speaker 2: This should be the starting point for every media commentator,
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Speaker 2: academic and indeed every protest leader, whether they are pro
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Speaker 2: Palestinian or pro Israeli or both. Hamas and Islamist terrorism
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Speaker 2: are the enemy of all. If you don't understand that,
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Speaker 2: you need to educate yourself. Triple murderer Aaron Patterson, as
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Speaker 2: I said at the top of the program, has been
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Speaker 2: sentenced to life in prison with a non parole period
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Speaker 2: of thirty three years for killing three of her estranged
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Speaker 2: husband's relatives with Beef Wellington's containing death cap mushrooms. This case,
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Speaker 2: as you know, has captured the world's attention, and here's
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Speaker 2: how the BBC reported the news.
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Speaker 11: We started with news from Australia where Erin Patterson, who
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Speaker 11: came to be known as the mushroom Killer, has been
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Speaker 11: sentenced to life in prison.
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Speaker 4: She has been given a non parole period of thirty
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Speaker 4: three years, which means if she does ever leave at
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Speaker 4: prison then she will be over eighty years old.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in doctor Xanthi Maller, the criminologist at Central
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Speaker 2: Coinstine University. She joins me from the Sunshine Coast. Good
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Speaker 2: to talk to you again, as Anthony. This has been
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Speaker 2: a fascinating case. What's your assessment of the sentence handed
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Speaker 2: down today?
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Speaker 12: Good evening, Chris well The judge did start by looking
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Speaker 12: at a number of aggravating circumstances, so things that made
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Speaker 12: the sentence towards the longer end, So we may have
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Speaker 12: been looking at life without the possibility of parole. He
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Speaker 12: spoke to the trust issues that she'd ultimately breach with
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Speaker 12: her family. He spoke with the lack of remorse and
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Speaker 12: the ongoing trauma. He referenced some of the victim impact
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Speaker 12: statements that we heard in the pre sentencing here a
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Speaker 12: few weeks ago, and really spoke about the levels of
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Speaker 12: ongoing harm that Aaron Patterson has caused. And then he
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Speaker 12: moved forward to talk about how she will suffer unduly
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Speaker 12: necessarily in prison because she is in isolation for around
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Speaker 12: twenty two hours a day with extremely minimal human contact,
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Speaker 12: and that is going to have an increased burden on her.
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Speaker 12: And that is how he weighed up the evidence and
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Speaker 12: ultimately led to the thirty three years that she was
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Speaker 12: awarded today non parole period.
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Speaker 2: It's a very long sentence comparatively. I want to come
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Speaker 2: back to that point about her conditions in prison, but
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Speaker 2: first up, let's have a look at some of the
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Speaker 2: sentencing remarks.
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Speaker 7: Not only did you cut short three lives and cause
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Speaker 7: lasting damage to Ian Wilkinson's health, thereby devastating the extended
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Speaker 7: Patterson and Wilkinson families, you inflicted untold suffering on your
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Speaker 7: own children, whom you robbed of their beloved grandparents. Ian
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Speaker 7: Wilkinson's sister, Dorothy Dicker, questions, quote, how anyone could sit
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Speaker 7: there and watch those full kind and caring people eat
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Speaker 7: that meal. Your failure to exhibit any remorse pours salt
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Speaker 7: into all the victim's wounds.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Zat, he made it very clear that he thought
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Speaker 2: Aaron Patterson was evil. Indeed, and it is the case
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Speaker 2: that there was a lot of speculation she might not
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Speaker 2: get a non parole period. In other words, she could
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Speaker 2: be left to die in prison. And the judge spoke
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Speaker 2: at length about her conditions effectively in solitary confinement in
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Speaker 2: prison and how that makes it even worse, and presumably
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Speaker 2: that's why she ended up with this non parold period
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Speaker 2: and arguably a lesser sentence. Now, the issue that I
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Speaker 2: have here is the reason she's in solitary confinement is
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Speaker 2: because of how odious her crimes were, because of how
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Speaker 2: notorious she is in the prison system. They believe that
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Speaker 2: she could be at risk from other prisoners. So she's
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Speaker 2: in solitary confinement for her own benefit because of how
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Speaker 2: henas her crimes were. Yet in the end, that helps
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Speaker 2: to reduce her sentence. Isn't there a great paradox there?
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Speaker 2: Doesn't the heenous nature of her crimes end up then
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Speaker 2: working to limit her sentence.
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Speaker 12: Well, I can see your point Chris. But ultimately thirty
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Speaker 12: three years is a long sentence and it could certainly
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Speaker 12: have been longer. I wouldn't have been surprised if there
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Speaker 12: had been no prole period at all, given she was
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Speaker 12: found guilty of free murders and one attempted murder. However,
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Speaker 12: we do know that the UN suggests that fifteen days
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Speaker 12: is the maximum that anyone should remain in isolation, and
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Speaker 12: Aaron perhaps and has been in almost total isolation for
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Speaker 12: fifteen months now and is likely to remain that way.
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Speaker 12: So her lifestyle is incredibly restricted in terms of who
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Speaker 12: she has any human contact with at all. So this
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Speaker 12: is going to have an increased effect on her in
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Speaker 12: terms of her physical and mental health, and that is
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Speaker 12: why the judge did make that decision. So those thirty
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Speaker 12: three years will be more burdensome on her than if
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Speaker 12: she was in the main.
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Speaker 2: Population, No doubt there's another issue there to see whether
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Speaker 2: the prison system should be able to work that out.
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Speaker 2: Just briefly, though, I need to get your thoughts anphony
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Speaker 2: on the crime problems in Melbourne, particularly gain crime. Those
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Speaker 2: horrible couple of murders on the weekend. There's plenty of evidence,
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Speaker 2: isn't there that they have a specific problem here they
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Speaker 2: need to get on top of absolutely.
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Speaker 12: You know, crime is at its highest rate in Victoria,
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Speaker 12: in fact since twenty sixteen or much of that is
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Speaker 12: being driven by theft and youth crime, and we've seen
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Speaker 12: that over the last few years. It's been increasing and
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Speaker 12: there have been legislative changes to help mitigate that, but
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Speaker 12: ultimately we are seeing a group of really hardcore offenders,
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Speaker 12: repeat offenders that are in essence the problem here and
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Speaker 12: gang crime is certainly a major issue in Melbourne at
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Speaker 12: the moment.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining u x Anthe I appreciate it, doctor
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Speaker 2: Znthe Mallett there from the Central Queensland University.
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Speaker 3: Now, there are a.
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Speaker 2: Few debates more important to this nation right now than
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Speaker 2: the immigration debate. We've gone through a period of record immigration,
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Speaker 2: as you right, in the middle of a housing and
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Speaker 2: cost of living crisis and a crime crisis and in
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Speaker 2: some states a healthcare crisis. We've brought in an extra
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Speaker 2: million people over less than three years. But after getting
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Speaker 2: smashed at the last election, partly because it failed to
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Speaker 2: prosecute the climate and energy debate or the cost of
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Speaker 2: living debate or the immigration debate, the coalition is doing
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Speaker 2: its best to stuff up the immigration debate again for
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Speaker 2: some reason. Senator just into Namba Jimber Price, in an
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Speaker 2: interview last week, focused on a racial element in our
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Speaker 2: migration intake, singling out the Indian intake.
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Speaker 13: As we've seen you know, I mean, you yourself mentioned
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Speaker 13: that there is a concern with the Indian community, and
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Speaker 13: only because there's been large numbers and we can see
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Speaker 13: that reflected in the way that the community votes for
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Speaker 13: Labor at the same time. So if they're going to
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Speaker 13: see a reflection that okay, these individuals are going to
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Speaker 13: vote for us more more so than other parts of
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Speaker 13: the community, well then of course they're going to express
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Speaker 13: a view that will get those sorts of individuals into
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Speaker 13: our communities.
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Speaker 3: What kind of odd wasn't it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there was this earlier from a Labor aligned polster.
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Speaker 3: I suppose eighty.
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Speaker 5: Five percent of the indiandia aspriat voted for the Labor
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Speaker 5: Party at the last election thereabouts.
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Speaker 9: It varies across the country.
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Speaker 5: What was the number so CAUs about eighty five percent?
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's what Nabajiba Price was thinking about during that interview.
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Speaker 2: But the bottom line is that most immigrants in this
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Speaker 2: country start off as labor voters.
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Speaker 3: History has borne that out.
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Speaker 2: As they settle in and become more successful and independent,
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Speaker 2: immigrants increasingly turned to the coalition. That's been the trend
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Speaker 2: over time. So, by all means, criticize the record immigration
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Speaker 2: intake by labor far higher than they promised and far
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Speaker 2: higher than the country can handle. But you've got to
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Speaker 2: be very careful if you were to criticize the ethnic mix.
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Speaker 2: I mean, for starters, we're supposed to have a non
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Speaker 2: discriminatory policy. Both sides of politics are adhere to that
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Speaker 2: promised that and besides, as Opposition leader Susan Lee tried
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Speaker 2: to smooth things over with the Indian community on the weekend,
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Speaker 2: it's worth pointing out that the Indian migrant cohort are
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Speaker 2: a terrific boon to this nation.
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Speaker 3: They tend to arrive here speaking English.
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Speaker 2: They understand democracy and the rule of law because they've
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Speaker 2: been raised in it, and they've been highly successful in school, business, sport.
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Speaker 2: Even their love cricket helps with integration in this country. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: Namba Jember Price came in for a lot of criticism.
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Speaker 2: Typically the ABC and Labor will whip themselves into a frenzy.
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Speaker 2: When a conservative politician makes a mistake in this area,
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Speaker 2: she should have apologized quickly and moved on by attacking
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Speaker 2: Labour's mismanagement of immigration. But instead Nabujeber Price took the
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Speaker 2: social media to attack one of her own colleagues, the
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Speaker 2: manager of Opposition Business Alex Hawk, who was trying to
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Speaker 2: deal with the fallout.
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Speaker 3: She even raised the coalition so called.
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Speaker 2: Women problem, and instead of moving on then from her
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Speaker 2: own era, Nambujimber Price has thrown the fuel of coalition
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Speaker 2: disunity onto the fire the coalition. Let's be frank, looked
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Speaker 2: like a bit of a rabbel at the moment. Nambijimber
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Speaker 2: Price is on Kredlin. In the next hour, let's hope
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Speaker 2: she gets back to the business of exposing the Labor
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Speaker 2: government and providing a decent alternative. Let's go to the
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Speaker 2: National's Deputy leader now, Kevin Hogan, who joins us slide
23:08
Speaker 2: from the Sydney CBD. Thanks for joining us, Kevin. First
23:11
Speaker 2: up on this point, Senator namper Jip. But Price used
23:15
Speaker 2: to be in your party. Now she's with the Liberals.
23:17
Speaker 2: She just needs to apologize, clear this up and move on, doesn't.
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Speaker 14: She yeah, I think so, Chris. I mean, let's not
23:25
Speaker 14: forget just sent her what a hero she was through
23:28
Speaker 14: the Voice referendum. I mean, she almost single handedly drove
23:31
Speaker 14: a national conversation and she has a lot to add
23:33
Speaker 14: to our public debate. You know, she's saying she didn't
23:36
Speaker 14: you know the context of what she said, She wasn't
23:38
Speaker 14: using it was how it sounded. I certainly respect that
23:41
Speaker 14: because I'm with you, Chris. I have a lot of
23:43
Speaker 14: immigrants who live in my legend, including a lot of
23:45
Speaker 14: Sikhs who obviously from India, and some of them have
23:48
Speaker 14: been here, their families have been here now over one
23:50
Speaker 14: hundred years, and they are aspiring people and therefore they
23:53
Speaker 14: support our side of politics more naturally because we want
23:57
Speaker 14: to help aspirants. So look, I think this will move on. Look,
24:01
Speaker 14: just I love just sent to also Alex Hawk. I
24:03
Speaker 14: mean obviously the person that she mentions on, the Deputy
24:06
Speaker 14: Manager of Opposition Business in the House. Alex is a manager.
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Speaker 3: I worked with him DA and.
24:10
Speaker 14: Last week and last week last week we had a
24:14
Speaker 14: good week, Alex. You know, we led the debate on
24:17
Speaker 14: our home care age care home care packages, which instrumental
24:21
Speaker 14: in stick on this Hue.
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Speaker 2: Stick on this issue for a moment, because when it
24:25
Speaker 2: comes to immigration, do you agree with just at an
24:28
Speaker 2: average of a Price's key point that is that this
24:31
Speaker 2: is affecting electoral politics. Now, if you forget about the
24:34
Speaker 2: various ethnic cohorts, do you think the large numbers of
24:37
Speaker 2: migrants being brought into this country, do you think labor
24:40
Speaker 2: is doing that because they know that on balance they're
24:43
Speaker 2: likely to add to their votes.
24:48
Speaker 14: Well, look, you know if the polsters say that, I mean,
24:51
Speaker 14: I hear that, but that's not my experience on the ground, Chris,
24:54
Speaker 14: when I meet and I meet a lot of new
24:56
Speaker 14: immigrants into my community, especially in my elect and look,
25:00
Speaker 14: the essence I get from people who arrive in Australia,
25:04
Speaker 14: and this has been the case, let's face it, for
25:05
Speaker 14: ared couple of hundred years, is they are aspiring. They
25:08
Speaker 14: want to come here for a better life, and they
25:11
Speaker 14: want to come here to create that better life themselves
25:13
Speaker 14: and not waiting for government to give it to them.
25:16
Speaker 14: And so I find that a lot of them are
25:18
Speaker 14: sympathetic to our side of politics, because you know, we
25:21
Speaker 14: are for aspirants. We want people to succeed, not to
25:23
Speaker 14: rely on government. So you know, at acdotally, I have
25:26
Speaker 14: a different experience and maybe what the pulses are saying.
25:29
Speaker 2: Now I want to bring you onto the net zero debate.
25:31
Speaker 2: John Howard, the former Prime Minister, has recorded in an
25:35
Speaker 2: interview with Sharry Markson. It'll air in full here on
25:38
Speaker 2: Sky News at eight o'clock tonight, but here's what he's
25:40
Speaker 2: had to say about net zero.
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Speaker 15: I'm not persuaded that the world will come to an
25:47
Speaker 15: end if we don't reduce carbon emissions in a radical way.
25:52
Speaker 16: So abound in that zero the trendy.
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Speaker 15: Well, that means that I'm doubtful that zero is worth
25:59
Speaker 15: the price where for?
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Speaker 2: So would you agree with that he carries a lot
26:04
Speaker 2: of weight. Doesn't need John Howard that zero should be ditched?
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Speaker 14: Chris, He certainly does. And you know, I remember John
26:13
Speaker 14: Howard is a prime minist and what a wonderful great
26:14
Speaker 14: prime minister he was, So I certainly certainly has to
26:17
Speaker 14: be listened to.
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Speaker 1: Chris.
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Speaker 14: I know you would say we should have abandoned that
26:20
Speaker 14: zero a long time ago. We should have abandoned it tomorrow.
26:23
Speaker 14: I respect that. I respect the opinion of a lot
26:25
Speaker 14: of your viewers who have similar similar views. But look,
26:29
Speaker 14: we are going undergoing, as you know, we're undergoing a
26:31
Speaker 14: review Max, Senator Matt Carnavan who you know his opinions,
26:34
Speaker 14: and Ross Cadella undergoing that review. We want to make
26:37
Speaker 14: a decision on this reasonably soon if we can, but
26:39
Speaker 14: we want it to be data based, evidence based. We
26:42
Speaker 14: are getting a serious data analysis done on this and
26:45
Speaker 14: it's going to be very involved, and we want to
26:47
Speaker 14: make you look at the costs, look at the benefits,
26:49
Speaker 14: look at what the rest of the world's doing, and
26:51
Speaker 14: make an evidence based decision. Now we will come to
26:54
Speaker 14: that decision, Chris, not as quick as you would like,
26:56
Speaker 14: but we're going to arrive there. But we're going to
26:59
Speaker 14: undergo this first.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Kevin, I appreciate it. Kevin Hogan there,
27:04
Speaker 2: who's the National's deputy leader. Let me save them all
27:06
Speaker 2: the trouble because I looked at the data and evidence
27:08
Speaker 2: on this for decades. Nothing we do in this country
27:13
Speaker 2: will change the global climate.
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Speaker 3: Therefore net zero.
27:16
Speaker 2: For us is all pain, no game. Don't forget John Howard.
27:22
Speaker 2: Our interview in full at eight o'clock tonight on Shari.
27:24
Speaker 2: But coming up after the break, we'll get more on
27:26
Speaker 2: this population debate to immigration debate.
27:29
Speaker 3: Dick Smith will join me. He says, we've been mismanaging
27:32
Speaker 3: this four years.
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Speaker 2: As I mentioned last week, the Albanezy government has kept
27:40
Speaker 2: the permanent migration intake for this country at one hundred
27:43
Speaker 2: and eighty five thousand people, exactly the same number as
27:47
Speaker 2: they had last year.
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Speaker 1: Well, we wait and.
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Speaker 2: See what happens with net migration figures, but it certainly
27:51
Speaker 2: looks like Labour's told another porky, breaking their promise to
27:55
Speaker 2: cut immigration. Entrepreneur Dick Smith has campaigned against a big
28:00
Speaker 2: Australia for years.
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Speaker 3: He joins me, live in the studio. Good to talk
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Speaker 3: to you again, Dick.
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Speaker 2: Now you know that one eighty five thousand figure isn't
28:08
Speaker 2: the all, be all and end all number when it
28:10
Speaker 2: comes to our immigration intake, but it's certainly a high
28:14
Speaker 2: permanent migrant intake and it suggests that if if on
28:17
Speaker 2: that population movement is coming down a bit, it's not
28:19
Speaker 2: going down to really low level.
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Speaker 9: No, it's ridiculous.
28:22
Speaker 17: Look at the present rate of growth that we've got,
28:25
Speaker 17: we're going to end up with one hundred and twenty
28:27
Speaker 17: million people in Australia at the end of this century,
28:30
Speaker 17: when our grandkids will still be alive. And not many
28:32
Speaker 17: people I talk to think one hundred and twenty million
28:35
Speaker 17: there's a sensible number for an aroid country like Australia.
28:39
Speaker 17: The problem is there's no planning. Every Aussie family has
28:43
Speaker 17: a population plan. They don't have twenty kids. They decide
28:46
Speaker 17: how many kids can we give a good life to.
28:49
Speaker 9: Now, I for ten years now have been.
28:51
Speaker 17: Working on the fact, why doesn't one of the political
28:53
Speaker 17: parties have a plan that says here's a good number,
28:56
Speaker 17: let's work towards that.
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Speaker 9: There's no plan.
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Speaker 3: I want to come back to that plan.
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Speaker 2: But even when you talk about the estimates, right, we've
29:03
Speaker 2: had various governments, both persuasions, talk about where they think
29:06
Speaker 2: the population's going, and it's exceeded those estimates.
29:10
Speaker 9: Always way out.
29:11
Speaker 2: And it's not been a baby boom that succeeded those estimates.
29:14
Speaker 2: It's all been additional immigration.
29:16
Speaker 9: Staggering immigration. Because it's a great way of getting growth.
29:19
Speaker 17: Our capitalist the system that I benefited pretty well out of.
29:23
Speaker 17: Capitalism requires perpetual growth, and you can do it by
29:27
Speaker 17: either becoming more productive, which is hard work for the bosses,
29:30
Speaker 17: or you can just bring more and more people in.
29:32
Speaker 9: And that's what we've been doing.
29:33
Speaker 2: Do you buy this argument that you sent to now,
29:35
Speaker 2: but jimber Price is put out there. Let's leave the
29:37
Speaker 2: cohort to one side. But is it about votes? Do
29:40
Speaker 2: you think governments bring in extra minors, particularly labor governments,
29:43
Speaker 2: because they think they'll get more votes out of it.
29:45
Speaker 9: It's got to be that.
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Speaker 17: But look, when I was right into this population issue,
29:49
Speaker 17: I did a survey and I found eight out of
29:51
Speaker 17: ten Australians believe we should have a population plan. But
29:55
Speaker 17: none of the parties have a population plan.
29:57
Speaker 9: You'd wonder why.
29:58
Speaker 17: And I remember asking Bob Brown, he was running the
30:00
Speaker 17: Greens at the time, and I said, Bob, why don't
30:03
Speaker 17: you're the Greens, You're supposed to be environmentalists.
30:05
Speaker 9: Why don't you have a population plan?
30:07
Speaker 17: And he actually said, oh, well, we'd be told we'd
30:10
Speaker 17: be racist if we did that, which is ridiculous. Most
30:13
Speaker 17: people like to are not racist, but they just believe
30:17
Speaker 17: we should have a plan so you can live in balance.
30:20
Speaker 1: In the end.
30:21
Speaker 2: Well, this is the critical point, I think, and this
30:23
Speaker 2: is where I think your call makes so much sense,
30:25
Speaker 2: especially for the Coalition who are in opposition, who are
30:28
Speaker 2: saying that immigration has run out of control and Labor's
30:30
Speaker 2: made a hash of it.
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Speaker 3: Well, the owners should be on them to come up.
30:33
Speaker 2: With not just a number for next year or the
30:35
Speaker 2: year after, but a population plan. So what levels of
30:40
Speaker 2: immigration you're going to aspire to in the coming decades
30:43
Speaker 2: and what that's going to mean in terms of total population.
30:46
Speaker 2: And everyone knows you can't be so exact, but you've
30:49
Speaker 2: got to have targets you're going to plan to because
30:52
Speaker 2: all of your infrastructure and all of your other needs
30:55
Speaker 2: have to be locked into that.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely no, there needs to be a plan.
30:58
Speaker 17: If typical families and have a plan, surely a country
31:01
Speaker 17: can have a plan. And you're right, you'd think the coalition,
31:05
Speaker 17: here's an opening for them to be different. So we're
31:08
Speaker 17: going to develop a plan. They can announce they're going
31:11
Speaker 17: to develop a plan. At least that's a start.
31:14
Speaker 2: The announce a plan to develop a population plan. I
31:17
Speaker 2: think a lot of Australians will be surprised. I mean
31:20
Speaker 2: that you point out that obvious point that we don't
31:22
Speaker 2: have a population plan. One of the key things of government,
31:25
Speaker 2: especially an immigrant nation like ours, can change or control
31:29
Speaker 2: is the size of our population. And yet there's no plan.
31:32
Speaker 2: And apart from the infrastructure, I talked about. It plays
31:36
Speaker 2: into the net zero debate that we hear about endlessly,
31:39
Speaker 2: especially from the left. It's all about net zero. Well,
31:42
Speaker 2: net zero's going to be a hell of a lot
31:43
Speaker 2: harder to get to. I think it's impossible anyway, but
31:46
Speaker 2: it's going to be a hell of a lot harder
31:48
Speaker 2: going down that path.
31:49
Speaker 17: If you're increasing the population, going to one hundred million people,
31:52
Speaker 17: it becomes almost impossible because we put we're told we
31:57
Speaker 17: put the maximum carbon that you have any society earth,
32:00
Speaker 17: because we're so well, we're so fantastic in this country
32:03
Speaker 17: and we use energy and that's why it's such a
32:05
Speaker 17: fantastic country. But if you have one hundred million of ars,
32:08
Speaker 17: that's four times the number.
32:10
Speaker 9: Imagine trying to go to zero carb. But it would
32:12
Speaker 9: be impossible.
32:14
Speaker 17: So one day we have to actually stabilize, and I
32:18
Speaker 17: just hope one of the political parties has a plan.
32:20
Speaker 3: Oh sure they do. Thanks for joining us, TICKO appreciate
32:23
Speaker 3: Dick Smith there.
32:24
Speaker 2: Entrepreneur and environmentalist and businessman. I think his call is
32:28
Speaker 2: a strong one. I think the coalition needs to take
32:31
Speaker 2: it up. There's a point of difference, actually have a
32:33
Speaker 2: population plan for this country when you're trying to prosecute
32:38
Speaker 2: this immigration debate. Now stick around because after the break
32:41
Speaker 2: went across to Sophie Ellsworth in London to get the
32:43
Speaker 2: latest on the protests that have been flooding the streets
32:46
Speaker 2: of the UK.
32:51
Speaker 3: Well.
32:51
Speaker 2: Police in the UK have finally taken action against pro
32:54
Speaker 2: Palestine protesters, arresting almost nine hundred people in London over
32:59
Speaker 2: the world weekend.
33:01
Speaker 3: Palestine Action is a prescribed.
33:03
Speaker 2: Group now under UK anti terror laws after military planes
33:07
Speaker 2: were vandalized and defense firms were targeted by protesters.
33:11
Speaker 3: Here's the latest from sky News UK.
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Speaker 18: There were pockets of tension and hostile clashes as some
33:20
Speaker 18: were fled off resisting rest. Palestine Action is a prescribed
33:26
Speaker 18: organization banned by the government under the Terrorism Act following
33:31
Speaker 18: a campaign of criminal activity, including this attack at RAF
33:36
Speaker 18: Bryse Norton.
33:38
Speaker 3: That's got a news court.
33:39
Speaker 2: European correspondent and Sky News contributor Sophie's Worth joining us
33:43
Speaker 2: from London.
33:44
Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Sophie.
33:46
Speaker 2: This is a big development, isn't It has been so
33:48
Speaker 2: many protests and so many of them have been ugly
33:51
Speaker 2: and hateful, and there's been violence in the past. But
33:53
Speaker 2: to make this many arrests surely signifies a bit of
33:57
Speaker 2: the change in approach from the police or the government
34:00
Speaker 2: or both.
34:03
Speaker 16: Well, Chris, really, not a weekend goes by here in
34:06
Speaker 16: London now where there is not a protest. But the
34:09
Speaker 16: police can't really keep up with this. I mean, nine
34:12
Speaker 16: hundred arrests is a huge amount and often they have
34:16
Speaker 16: to arrest these people and then let them go straight away.
34:18
Speaker 16: They don't have enough holding cells to keep these people
34:22
Speaker 16: who are under arrest, So this is a debacle for
34:26
Speaker 16: the police force here in the UK, and the number
34:29
Speaker 16: of protests is rising here Chris. Every weekend there's numerous protests,
34:35
Speaker 16: often related to Gaza or Israel, or relating to the
34:39
Speaker 16: issue that we have here with the arrival of illegal migrants.
34:42
Speaker 2: Chris, Yeah, that would be a different group protesting against
34:46
Speaker 2: those illegal migrant hotels and the like. But that've been
34:50
Speaker 2: very dramatic those protests as well, when we look at
34:54
Speaker 2: the pro Palestine or anti Israel protests that are so
34:58
Speaker 2: dominant there in London.
34:59
Speaker 3: And we we have a lot of.
35:01
Speaker 2: Trouble on going here in Australia as well, as I've
35:03
Speaker 2: highlighted that Bondo Beach over the weekend, but increasingly.
35:06
Speaker 3: Surely it's obvious to everyone that.
35:08
Speaker 2: Well, of course there are good hearted people who want
35:11
Speaker 2: to protest for a Palestinian state, and of course there
35:14
Speaker 2: are good hearted people who believe Israel's been too heavy
35:17
Speaker 2: handed and they want to want to support some sort
35:19
Speaker 2: of ceasefire.
35:20
Speaker 3: But there are a lot of extreme elements in there.
35:22
Speaker 2: And it's not just Islamist extremists involved in it. There's
35:26
Speaker 2: also radical socialists and the like anarchists who just are
35:29
Speaker 2: jumping on this movement to create as much trouble as possible.
35:32
Speaker 3: Is that the sense you get in the UK?
35:37
Speaker 16: Well, Chris, really there's a mixture. And on the weekend
35:39
Speaker 16: we did see it, this protest that was outside the
35:43
Speaker 16: Houses of Parliament. We did see elderly people arrested. There
35:46
Speaker 16: were some women I saw images of that were in
35:49
Speaker 16: their eighties being arrested, and they're the images that often
35:53
Speaker 16: go viral. People are questioning why are the police arresting
35:57
Speaker 16: such people? So unfortunately for these protests. Ess, in all
36:02
Speaker 16: sorts of protests, there are ones in there that cause
36:05
Speaker 16: more trouble than others. There are of course peaceful protesters,
36:09
Speaker 16: so really, Chris, it is a mix. But nine hundred
36:12
Speaker 16: arrests on the weekend. He's certainly a very large number.
36:16
Speaker 3: Extraordinary.
36:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, you mentioned those protests about the illegal immigrants,
36:19
Speaker 2: people wanting the government to get control of his borders,
36:22
Speaker 2: an argument we're all familiar with here in Australia. Nigel Ferras,
36:26
Speaker 2: who's on tracking incredibly without really an organized political base.
36:33
Speaker 3: He's leading in all the polls. He wants to stop
36:36
Speaker 3: the boats. Here's Nigel Farras.
36:39
Speaker 19: We will stop the boats and we will detain and
36:46
Speaker 19: deport those that are legally break into our country, doing
36:50
Speaker 19: what nearly every normal country around the rest of the
36:53
Speaker 19: world does. You cannot come here illegally and stay. We
36:57
Speaker 19: will stop the boats within two weeks of winning government.
37:03
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I was going to say it's easy to
37:04
Speaker 3: say that.
37:05
Speaker 2: It's actually not easy to say stop the boats. You
37:07
Speaker 2: get criticized just for saying it, but it's even more
37:10
Speaker 2: difficult to actually do it.
37:11
Speaker 3: And you reported on the.
37:12
Speaker 2: Weekend, Sophie that he's been getting the best advice because
37:16
Speaker 2: he's actually been meeting with Tony Abbott to try and
37:19
Speaker 2: work out how he can actually put a plan together
37:21
Speaker 2: that will stop the boats.
37:25
Speaker 16: Well, Chrisk, the pair have known each other for some time. Obviously,
37:29
Speaker 16: Tony Abbott was extremely successful in stopping the boats. I
37:32
Speaker 16: often get asked here about how the Australian government when
37:37
Speaker 16: mister Abbott was Prime Minister, how did he do it.
37:40
Speaker 16: I was at the Reform UK conference on the weekend
37:43
Speaker 16: and many people were talking about this issue. It seemed
37:46
Speaker 16: to be high on the agenda in Birmingham of how
37:50
Speaker 16: do we stop this illegal migrant problem? But Chris, just
37:53
Speaker 16: here in front of the Daily Mail, there's a headline
37:56
Speaker 16: here thirty thousand reasons while why labor won't stop the boats.
38:02
Speaker 16: Now they've had over a thousand people arrive on Saturday here,
38:06
Speaker 16: one of the largest numbers of illegal migrants in any
38:09
Speaker 16: given day. This number thirty thousand is the highest for
38:12
Speaker 16: some years up until this point. Now they cannot get
38:16
Speaker 16: control of it. Nigel Fara just says if he wins government,
38:20
Speaker 16: he will stop it within two weeks. He's now walked
38:23
Speaker 16: that back and said, you know, when legislations change, he
38:27
Speaker 16: will stop this within two weeks. So he's had to
38:30
Speaker 16: be careful around his wording here, Chris, because people will
38:34
Speaker 16: hold himTo that when he's saying if he wins the election,
38:37
Speaker 16: he'll stop it within two weeks. Now he's saying it
38:40
Speaker 16: depends on various legislation being introduced that enables him to
38:45
Speaker 16: do so.
38:46
Speaker 2: Indeed, I think he could do bagger all in two weeks.
38:48
Speaker 2: He will need those legislative changes, you would think, as
38:51
Speaker 2: we found out here.
38:52
Speaker 3: In Australia just quickly.
38:53
Speaker 2: He's doing so well, Nigel Farage and his Reform movement.
38:57
Speaker 2: There's some of the Conservatives say they have a mate
39:00
Speaker 2: with him.
39:02
Speaker 16: Well they are indeed, Chris, I spoke to Sir Jacob
39:05
Speaker 16: Rhese Mobb, who was the former House of Commons a
39:08
Speaker 16: Tory minister under Boris Johnson on the weekend and he
39:13
Speaker 16: said that he hopes that the Tories and Reform at
39:18
Speaker 16: the next election could unite and form similar to the
39:21
Speaker 16: coalition in Australia with the Liberals and Nationals. But I'll
39:25
Speaker 16: tell you one thing, Chris, no one is laughing at
39:28
Speaker 16: Reform now. They only have four seats in the House
39:31
Speaker 16: of Commons. There is not meant to be a general
39:34
Speaker 16: election till twenty twenty nine. But I can assure you
39:37
Speaker 16: that every political party is taking Nigel Frage and Reform
39:42
Speaker 16: extremely seriously because they are dominating in the polls and
39:46
Speaker 16: they are continuing to set the news agenda. And as
39:50
Speaker 16: we know Chris Labor had a major overhaul of its
39:54
Speaker 16: various ministers last week, so they are in damage control
39:58
Speaker 16: as well.
39:59
Speaker 2: Indeed, all over as usual, Sophie, thanks for joining us.
40:01
Speaker 2: Sophie Elsworth their live in London. There's a lesson there
40:04
Speaker 2: for Susan Lee and the Coalition isn't there because Nigel
40:07
Speaker 2: Farage knows what he stands for and he enunciates it
40:11
Speaker 2: clearly and strongly.
40:13
Speaker 3: That's what you've got to do from opposition.
40:14
Speaker 2: Now, after the break, we'll catch up with Gemenitonienni and
40:17
Speaker 2: Christie McSweeney.
40:18
Speaker 3: We'll talk about all of the day's big stories.
40:19
Speaker 2: Including Sydney Council's now pushing for the removal of sharpnets.
40:28
Speaker 2: Let's get onto the panel now with Gematonieni from GT Communications,
40:31
Speaker 2: Yes Collingwood one Chris and joining us from Melbourne is
40:36
Speaker 2: Christy McSweeney, Managing director of the PR Council.
40:39
Speaker 3: Let's start with you, given you're in Melbourne.
40:41
Speaker 2: Christio talked at the top of the program about these
40:44
Speaker 2: gang crimes, that it's just a de terribly tragic murder
40:49
Speaker 2: of two young boys in the out of western suburbs
40:54
Speaker 2: of Melbourne. On the weekend, another shooting death in the CBD.
40:59
Speaker 2: No one can deny there's a gain crime problem in Melbourne,
41:02
Speaker 2: can they. They're going a machete amnesty scheme for crying
41:04
Speaker 2: out loud, They're going to do better than that to
41:06
Speaker 2: get on top of the top of the crime. Oh.
41:10
Speaker 10: Absolutely, Look, and all we have heard from the government
41:14
Speaker 10: is essentially not much. Their big news out of the
41:17
Speaker 10: week was that Jacinta Allen's decided to announce that she
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Speaker 10: too was going to China. Why she would announce that
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Speaker 10: on a day where the pictures of Daniel Andrews beaming
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Speaker 10: in from Gentlemen Square with well dictators.
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Speaker 3: On full display.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what her.
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Speaker 10: Strategy is, but none of it is about crime and
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Speaker 10: law and order. They've made a significant issue around toughening
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Speaker 10: and strengthening the bail lords. There's still extremely weak. The
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Speaker 10: Coalition and the minor parties didn't get through a lot
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Speaker 10: of their amendments that they wanted to make those bail
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Speaker 10: laws tougher. The government is ignoring crime three hundred thousand
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Speaker 10: on machete bins, thinking that criminals are just going to
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Speaker 10: run along and pop their machete in the bin and
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Speaker 10: it's going to be fine. They're not going to commit
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Speaker 10: any more crimes. That's going to be them done with
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Speaker 10: criminal activity that wipe their hand. Well, it is a
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Speaker 10: ridiculous response. It is to what is an epidemic here
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Speaker 10: in Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: Gemer. This to me just proves how bad it is.
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Speaker 2: The machete bins is a mission that they've got these
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Speaker 2: weapons in the community and they're being used to often.
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Speaker 2: But it's such a pathetic response. H you mentioned gangs
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Speaker 2: or let alone African gangs and they attack you for
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Speaker 2: raising it. They should be outraged about the crimes and
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Speaker 2: doing something about it.
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Speaker 20: Well, I'm old enough, Chris to remember when there was
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Speaker 20: mafia crime in Melbourne and Victoria, and I'm old enough
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Speaker 20: to remember when there was triad crime and no one
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Speaker 20: was calling you a racist for saying this is a
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Speaker 20: mafia related crime, this is an Italian crime, this is
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Speaker 20: Italian organized crime. Likewise, for the Vietnamese and Chinese crime
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Speaker 20: gangs that came into Australia. I wrote about it in
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Speaker 20: my column on the weekend. It's not racist to say
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Speaker 20: this problem is particular. Any problem is particular to any
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Speaker 20: ethnic group.
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Speaker 1: Of people that we used to have a Middle East.
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Speaker 20: Of course, so as you say, you know, the mind
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Speaker 20: boggles at the brains trust that said. I know, I'm
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Speaker 20: going to put bin out in the front of a
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Speaker 20: police station and have it covered by CCTV so that
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Speaker 20: the bad guys are going to come and put their
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Speaker 20: nasty weapons into that bin, and you know, have it
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Speaker 20: come to Jesus moment and turn around and not use
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Speaker 20: them anymore. I mean, it's laughable if it wasn't so serious.
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Speaker 20: And we've got the death of these two young people
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Speaker 20: over the weekend. It's so it is a bad joke.
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Speaker 20: It's it's a scriptwriter's dream, but it's a bad joke, terrible.
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Speaker 2: Now what about Aaron Patterson thirty three years without parole?
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Speaker 3: Christy?
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Speaker 2: Do you think most people will be satisfied with that?
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Speaker 2: I actually thought the judgment I heard most of it
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Speaker 2: being read out by the judge. It was scintillating because
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Speaker 2: he was very, very clear about how evil and calculating
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Speaker 2: she'd been.
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Speaker 10: Look, this story has gripped the world, as we all know.
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Speaker 10: But there's more to the store, and I can't wait
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Speaker 10: to read John Ferguson's book who has tracked this story
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Speaker 10: and spoken to witnesses and family members and local identities.
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Speaker 10: And since the trial, we've seen more and more information
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Speaker 10: been drip fed out about a number of her activities,
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Speaker 10: a number of suspected poisonings of her husband previously.
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Speaker 3: It just keeps.
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Speaker 10: Going, and you know, I'm not surprised the judgment's been made.
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Speaker 10: I'm sure there's going to be people out there who
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Speaker 10: think that she was innocent. I'm sure there's some families
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Speaker 10: that are split on it. But I've found the release
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Speaker 10: of information following the trial very very interesting about these behaviors.
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Speaker 2: Very damning indeed, and thirty three years I think she's
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Speaker 2: fifty now. It will take her a will into her eighties,
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Speaker 2: so we'll see. She may may I not be freed
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Speaker 2: from prison. I want to bring it back to New
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Speaker 2: South Wales and shark attacks. A horrible shark attack on
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Speaker 2: the week Gemma and a bloke killed on one of Sydney's
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Speaker 2: northern beaches. Yet it's just revived all this debate about
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Speaker 2: shark A lot of councils along the coast of Sydney
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Speaker 2: want to take out the shark routs and they make
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Speaker 2: these arguments that the sharks can swim around them, YadA, YadA, YadA.
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Speaker 2: But the point is the data shows that over one
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Speaker 2: hundred years, basically no one gets taken in these netted features.
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Speaker 20: Well, I have to say, Chris, that last summer in
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Speaker 20: Coddslow Beach a shark got through the shark mat and
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Speaker 20: was happily splashing around quite close to the shore. I
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Speaker 20: think there's always an exception, terribly tragic death of this
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Speaker 20: man on the weekend. The reality of it is, I mean,
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Speaker 20: my most surfers. This is obviously not empirical data, but
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Speaker 20: most surfers will say we are in their environment, not
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Speaker 20: the reverse sharknets are not.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever met Fred Paul, he's a surfer.
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Speaker 9: No, I have met friend Paul.
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Speaker 20: But you know my uncle, My uncle John moved to
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Speaker 20: Duns for.
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Speaker 17: N w WA.
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Speaker 20: I'm fifty, so let's say thirty years ago, so he
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Speaker 20: could surf, and that's his view. He's a lifelong s
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Speaker 20: I'm not saying everyone believes that.
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Speaker 11: But how far do you take it?
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Speaker 20: Do you net every beach every time?
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Speaker 10: How far out do you go?
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Speaker 3: What about it? I say, leave the nets in the
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Speaker 3: ones that.
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Speaker 9: Are for sure, But you can't.
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Speaker 17: We're human, we're mortal.
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Speaker 20: We can't give each other, we can't give the community
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Speaker 20: a false sense of invincibility. I think that's my concern
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Speaker 20: with saying, oh, there's a shark knit, everything's fine, Everything
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Speaker 20: carries risk, and my sympathy goes to his family. Is
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Speaker 20: an absolutely awful story.
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Speaker 2: Sure does I want to come to the Greens or
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Speaker 2: a former Green with you? Christy Adam Bant has got
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Speaker 2: a new job a CEO of the Conservation Council. Look out,
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Speaker 2: they're going to get even more radical and they've been presumably.
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Speaker 10: Oh well, look everybody has to find work, Chris, don't
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Speaker 10: they after a loss like that? And again, shout out
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Speaker 10: to Steph Hunt, who did a wonderful thing, and shout
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Speaker 10: out to the coalition who actually thought will preference labor
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Speaker 10: and get rid of this guy. So congratulations. It's when
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Speaker 10: too much parties actually work together for the betterment of
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Speaker 10: the nation.
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Speaker 13: In my view, Look this.
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Speaker 10: Organization, yeah, look, they've been going a long time. It's
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Speaker 10: a prestigious organization. I think they're going to be you know,
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Speaker 10: I'm not sure that they know exactly what they're in for,
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Speaker 10: but they obviously have a board that have looked as
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Speaker 10: his recent activities and thought, that's the guy we want.
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Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, I reckon as not.
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Speaker 2: So they've got to try and make these organizations mainstream
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Speaker 2: if they're going to be effective.
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Speaker 3: This just makes them radical.
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Speaker 2: It's like having Fitting or Foster run the Republican Movement.
47:29
Speaker 2: Here's a little bit of what Adam Band had to
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Speaker 2: say today.
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Speaker 21: I'm Adam Band and I'm excited that next year I'll
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Speaker 21: be the new CEO of a CF, Australia's largest people
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Speaker 21: powered movement for nature and climate. It's never been more
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Speaker 21: important to make our voices heard. Nature is in crisis.
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Speaker 21: People are sweltering through hot summers and worse, bush fires
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Speaker 21: and floods are destroying homes.
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Speaker 15: There you go.
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Speaker 1: Everything's terrible.
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Speaker 20: I mean objectively, everything you just said is contestable, if
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Speaker 20: not false. And I think, to Christie's point, this organization,
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Speaker 20: I don't know. I don't think it's the coup. My
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Speaker 20: view is I don't think it's the coup they think
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Speaker 20: it is. I mean, Adam Bant took the Australian Greens
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Speaker 20: so far away from the environment. He turned into a
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Speaker 20: party of the culture wars, so much so that one
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Speaker 20: of the former founders is suing the party to actually
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Speaker 20: become a member of the party he founded, which was
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Speaker 20: back in the day about the environment. I don't think
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Speaker 20: you can objectively say that anymore. And at the point
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Speaker 20: of his removal from the seat that he lost it
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Speaker 20: in Melbourne, right, you know, mister Bant was arguably one
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Speaker 20: of the most toxic political figures in the Australian body politics.
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Speaker 20: So if the Australian Conservation Foundation thinks this is a
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Speaker 20: get more power to them, and good luck to them,
48:40
Speaker 20: because the Australian public voted with their feet, not just
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Speaker 20: about mister Bant in that seat, but in many other
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Speaker 20: green seats across Australia.
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Speaker 2: They've conserved his career. That's about all we will see.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Christie and Jema, great stuff.
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Speaker 3: We'll catch up with you next week.
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Speaker 2: I want to just share some of your feedback from
48:56
Speaker 2: what we had to say last week about.
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Speaker 3: Albo's bs being called.
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Speaker 2: Matt says, if Albo told you it's raining, you have
49:03
Speaker 2: to go outside and check. Another viewer says, a lot
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Speaker 2: of regretful voters. Hey tried to warn people, but here
49:09
Speaker 2: we are stuck with the worst PM in Australia's history.
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Speaker 2: And another of you, says Anthony Alberizi is an activist
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Speaker 2: and a narcissistic.
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Speaker 3: Bully through and through, which means he's never wrong.
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Speaker 2: He's the hero. Thanks for joining me. I'll be back
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night at five o'clock. Don't forget John Howard at
49:27
Speaker 2: eight o'clock with Shari