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Going Bowling 2023 · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Music. And welcome back to the Boundary
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  Corner Podcast, along with my partner Brian Siegler, Jonathan
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  Talley, and Shelton Moss. I'm Curtis Wilson and this
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  episode is brought to you by Doctor Jeremy Counts at the Main
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  Street Pharmacy in Blacksburg. Your friendly neighborhood
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  pharmacy, Three O 1 S Main St. Blacksburg.
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  Welcome back boys. Back at it, fellas.
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  Back at it. We are back.
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  Wednesday night, you know, we, we we switched up.
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  I got to tell myself a little bit for a second I was like,
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  we're going live tonight, right? We got to get all this stuff
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  together. I'm sending links out.
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  I'm like shit, we said we're going live tomorrow.
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  We were going, we were going live Wednesday because Shelter
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  was on the road yesterday and couldn't, couldn't go with us
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  and we had to wait that one extra day but.
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  Habits, man habits are hard to break.
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  They Are you all right, boys? Y'all quiet.
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  All good. Long day, man.
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  Tired. You tired.
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  You. You deserve to be quiet.
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  Shelton, welcome. Go ahead.
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  Yeah, I'm working on this computer, not kicking me off
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  every time I say something acting crazy.
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  I told y'all this Internet, told y'all this Internet be acting
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  crazy down here. But yeah man, everything seems
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  to be good. Got to give, give a shout out
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  before we get to talking. My little cousin Kurt Johnson is
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  a state championship coach for a Montgomery Catholic Knights.
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  He has been the head coach of that school for three years.
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  His record is 42 and two, I think 43 and two now.
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  So I'm very proud of this kid, man.
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  He battled through a lot of stuff.
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  Lost his mom last year during the playoffs, kind of affected
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  them going forward in that game. They lost in the semi finals and
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  this year he came back and he won it all, man.
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  They won it down in Tuscaloosa, on Alabama's field.
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  I didn't get to go. I had some things to do, but I
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  did go to the semi final game and talk to the team.
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  So Yep, I saw Goodman. We feeling good.
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  I'm repping repping for the for the Knights tonight.
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  Heck yeah. Congrats to your cousin there,
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  man. And you were mentioning all fair
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  you going, you going to get in there and get the line going
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  right because he's putting D1 talent out?
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  Yeah, man, if he can get me some lineman it well, I I can't talk
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  too much. We're going to come back.
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  We're going to talk about it a little later on.
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  But we going we going to he, he's got a lot going on, man.
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  If I can get him to get some, get some, some some D1 guy on
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  that line, that would be great. He's actually got a, he's
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  actually got a tight end that's a junior that West Virginia is
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  looking at right now, OK? So he's got some, he's got some
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  good talent on that team. Lots of Congrats from the
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  gallery here. Definitely Congrats to your
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  cousin there, man. That's a that's a big thing
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  doing big thing. I know we talked, you were in
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  the middle of watching that game with me and you chatted on
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  Friday for a few minutes and you said they show it, which is
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  pretty, pretty cool. But we got a lot to unload
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  tonight because we have we have not met.
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  What's it been? 10 days?
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  Something. Like that it.
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  Was like it's been a while man, I forgot how it's it's about
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  what should look like. It's been a bit, man.
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  It's been a bit we had a had to take a little hiatus, little
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  week off, take a breath when you liked our thoughts.
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  Yeah, when you make a bowl game, you got time to relax and
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  practice and you get extra time to the next game.
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  And that's what we do in here tonight as well.
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  But a lot of stuff to unload. We are going to talk about the
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  bowl on the back half of the episode.
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  Take a look at what's left of Tulane, make some predictions,
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  make some predictions on some bowl games, Have some fun.
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  But let's actually start with the bowl games and let's talk
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  about the College Football playoffs.
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  Because even even though this is now going, will we 10 days out
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  since that happened? Yep, it's 10 days because.
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  We can still rant about it. We can still rent.
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  I was on my way back from my mom's when that happened, and lo
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  and behold, they start doing their little thing right #1 the
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  Michigan Wolverines. We ain't shocked, are we?
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  No. No, we ain't shocked #2
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  Washington Huskies not sure. 13 and O not shocked.
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  And then they did the #3 Texas. We weren't shocked.
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  I weren't. I wasn't shocked.
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  They were in. I mean, you could argue Texas at
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  3:00 or 4:00 depending on who the other team was, but.
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  But let's go ahead well. Then then #4 pops up.
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  Well, I don't know if I did not see this live because I was
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  driving, but #4 popped up or #5 popped up.
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  And then the next thing you know, Alabama's number 4, which
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  left out. Obviously everybody already
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  knows Florida State 13 and OACC champions two and O against the
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  SEC and you're sitting here and people started posting stuff
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  because a certain network had been laying this out for about a
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  a month right prior to everything going down.
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  And I want to go ahead and get some of Y'all's reactions and
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  sadly, I'm going to let you start because you down there.
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  So what was your reaction? You sitting there, you, whether
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  you're on Twitter watching it live or somebody texting you,
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  what was your first reaction? I mean, I I I knew it.
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  But I was trying to. I was looking at it from a
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  debate standpoint and I have been arguing on Facebook for
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  like 2 days. You know, people wanted to tell
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  me how great the SEC is and this and that and I'm like, I don't
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  give a fuck about any of that. What y'all talking about?
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  What I'm trying to say is there's never been a, there's
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  never been a conference champion that's left out, that's
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  undefeated Power Five, right, 10 years of.
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  It 10. Years.
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  We're supposed to be doing it the same way.
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  Then you know that that that how you lead this team out.
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  Then you got #2. Alabama loses to Texas at home
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  by 10 like. Worse than 10.
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  It was worse than 10. I think it was 2414, no?
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  No, that was the final score, but that game.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, Texas. No, it's 3824 is the final or
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  383424 is the final. But Texas dominated.
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  That game. But it wasn't.
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  Yeah. Either way, I understand.
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  You know? Yeah, you want to see the best
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  teams in there and all that. I don't give a fuck about the
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  best teams unless we talk about Virginia Tech.
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  I just want y'all to stay to your word and do what you say
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  you was going to do. You cheated them boys down there
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  in Florida State out of their chance to go to the championship
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  and that's bullshit. You know what I'm saying?
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  You put it on one player and say, oh, well, you know, he he
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  got hurt. They ain't the same team.
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  Hell, they beat that. They won the conference.
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  They didn't lose the game. They beat the team in the
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  championship by double digits. What?
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  When Alabama used to beat LSU six to three, everybody used to
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  beat. They meet to them kind of games
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  before the state goes out here and wins a defensive
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  championship game. You know, y'all don't got
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  nothing to say. Why ain't Jordan Travis in the
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  Heisman race? Shit, you should have gave him
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  the Heisman if he's that important.
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  He's that damn good, he's that. Important.
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  He's that good that that they can't win a game without him.
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  Why did you, why you didn't give him the fucking Heisman?
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  The more the. More impressive thing.
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  I'm gonna let you keep your rank on.
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  The more impressive thing is they won a third string
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  quarterback. Yeah, they won.
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  Second string was right. Continue, continue, continue.
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  On top of all that, what gets swept under the rug?
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  We're talking about, Well, we want to see the best games, Bob
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  Michigan been fucking cheating. Is there people talking about
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  them cheating? They've been fucking cheating
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  the whole year. They've been cheating.
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  They've been going at people's houses, peeping through their
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  wonders. They fucking running.
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  I don't know what they doing up there, but I know they've been
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  stealing signs and looking under people's dresses and all type of
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  stuff and y'all ain't do nothing about that.
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  But we didn't keep them out of the playoffs, right?
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  Hell, they had a game when we talk about quarterbacks, right,
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  Quarterback men. Most important, Michigan had a a
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  game where that quarterback though, not even the they didn't
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  throw a pass in the second-half, they didn't throw a pass in the
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  second-half, but that's great though.
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  They got a great defense and they got a great running game.
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  I'm just saying, man, it's kind of fucked up.
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  And I and I hate Florida State. That's the thing.
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  I fucking hate Florida State. But I don't think you should do
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  them like that. I think that's kind of fucked
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  up. So, all right, I'm going to
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  pivot here. I'm going.
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  To pivot here to Shelton before I go to Brian, because I know
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  Brian's going to go on a slight tie right too.
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  So let's let's bring some Sheldon did some data research.
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  For Sheldon, just hey, give me your personal feel towards this
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  and then or data then your personal feel towards this.
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  But what's some of the data points say about this?
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  Well, look, I think when you look at, you know the metrics
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  this year, Florida State and Alabama are pretty much dead
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  even. I mean SP plus it's pretty much
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  a dead tie. You know FBI ratings, I think
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  FSU is let's see what were they they were 12th and Alabama was
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  11th. So it's pretty much dead even as
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  far as you know what the metrics say.
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  And I mean if if if the metrics you know were to predict this
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  game, if Florida State, Alabama played each other it'd be it'd
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  be a toss up. Now I know that Jordan Travis is
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  out, so obviously that changes of course.
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  But I just I I think the the committee was overstating the
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  the level of separation between these two teams.
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  And look you you mentioned you know Ty mentioned how you've got
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  a, you've got a system where there's four playoff teams for
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  five major conferences. You know I would argue this was
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  sort of an inevitability that this was going to happen.
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  You know we got we got lucky the first nine years really it it
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  just it took it took till it took till year 10 for a for a
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  you know a a brouhaha like this to kind of you know come up.
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  So it's just it it's a flawless system and I think you know I
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  personally I I would prefer the more deserving team rather than
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  the best team and I say that as a big analytics guy.
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  I just think the games have to matter.
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  It's sort of like if you look at Washington, Oregon this year,
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  Oregon had better metrics because they were more dominant
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  against their schedule, but Washington beat them twice in a
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  couple close games. That could have gone either way.
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  But nobody with their with their right mind would say that we
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  should just give the PAC 12 title to Oregon because they had
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  better metrics. You give it to Washington
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  because they won the games even though they were 9.5 point, 9.5
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  point underdogs. So again, just a just a bad
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  system and unfortunately just a just an inevitable result of
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  kind of what happens when you have a, you don't have any, you
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  know at large bids and and guaranteed spots.
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  It's just just a bad system. So glad we're getting rid of it.
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  Me too. And I'm going to ask you a quick
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  question. If there were three more years
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  left, would they have made the same move because the committing
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  you they had to deal with brush blowback for one year because
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  all they've got to say next year is we're going to 12, This is
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  why we're going, that's why we're going to 12 right there.
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  But if there was three more years left, would they have made
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  the same move or would they have put 13 and O in I?
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  Think it would have made the same move because to to be fair
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  they. Would.
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  Have said the same fucking move. To be fair to the committee,
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  they do state in their in their guidelines that they are are
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  allowed to factor in injuries to key players in their decision
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  making process. So that's why I try not to be
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  super reactionary to this, because it is stated in the
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  rules that they are allowed to do this.
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  They're allowed to factor in injuries.
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  What? They really want to say was
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  we're not having a playoff unless the SCC team is in there,
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  That's. What they really want to say?
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  Which me being in Alabama, I'm kind of glad because I like
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  living. I didn't want them to kind of
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  blow my house up because if somebody, because listen to me,
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  the SEC like for me, when Clemson was winning
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  championships, I didn't give a fuck.
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  I'm not a Clemson fan. SEC fans, if Alabama don't make
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  it and Georgia make it, them motherfuckers be.
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  I told you the SE CS God damn where it's at.
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  Bubba. I'm like you ain't no fucking
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  Georgia fan. So it didn't matter who got.
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  In they. Were putting they already
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  claiming Texas. Texas ain't even in the SEC yet.
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  See that's why Texas coming to the SCCI said.
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  Oh my God. Y'all got to Get Me Out of here,
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  man. Somebody come rescue me.
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  That's what I need. Find you a job.
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  It just. Means more, man, yeah.
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  What's What's your take and? By the way, the ACC beat the SEC
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  head to head this year just to let everybody know that.
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  Actually, the 60 didn't have a winning record against any Power
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  Five any. Power 5 and and they retired for
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  the last in terms of number of bowl teams in the Power 5 so.
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  Here. Here's how I would look at it
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  from my perspective if if I was on the committee.
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  If you're a Power Five team and you're undefeated and we got
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  spots left, you're in. After that, we can get academic
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  and look at strength of schedule.
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  We can look at who you still got playing.
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  You can look at all those other factors.
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  If you are an undefeated Power Five team and you won your
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  conference title and you're unblemished, you need to be in
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  at their spots there. So essentially, unless there's
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  an undefeated team in every Power 5 conference, you should
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  make the playoff. That's me if I was a voting
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  member on this panel. And I mean, I don't think you
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  should have to get academic in the selection process until you
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  have satisfied that, that goal there.
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  I don't like the fact that this feels like we're getting very
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  subjective in in the process when there are objective ways of
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  comparing these teams. And you want to know what else
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  you're. Leaning on the subjective
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  elements of the rules and not any of the objective elements of
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  the rules. So and.
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  And you want to know what else, Brian?
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  What's that? Alabama's going to fucking win
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  it? The fucking bastards are going
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  to be in the whole thing. And people were going to talk
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  about C Told you they were supposed to be in there.
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  What? The.
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  Fuck well, I'm. Going to, I'm going to kind of
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  cap it off with this and it's, I'm going to go something,
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  Sheldon said a few minutes ago. Yeah, Pete's still claiming that
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  title. What?
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  You had this year. Is the committee saying on the
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  field doesn't matter. On the field doesn't matter.
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  It doesn't matter what you do on the field.
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  Well, your players are, well, you.
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  You can't you. You're not going to be able to
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  win without them. Why not?
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  We won twice with that. We went to the Swamp and beat
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  Florida. Well, that's an average Florida
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  team. Still beat them.
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  Still beat them, right. Oh, then you struggle with
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  Louisville with a third string true freshman quarterback
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  playing his first snaps under center.
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  Still beat them, still beat them by double digits.
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  Defense dominated Louisville. Louisville had not been that
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  dominated all year. We saw that first hand.
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  Jeff Brom knows what he's doing and.
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  So. And this is where I keep, you
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  know, and there's people out there just saying I don't care.
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  It's FSUFSFU. Yeah, I don't like FSU either.
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  I don't like any other team in the ACCI.
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  Don't. That's one thing I hate about
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  SCC fans. It's like our conference is
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  good. No, Georgia, Alabama and LSU
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  have been good the last five years.
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  The rest of Y'all haven't done shit.
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  National titles don't go on the sides of the stadiums of yours.
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  When Georgia wins or when Alabama wins, it goes on theirs.
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  They get to put it in the trophy case.
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  You don't so. And I will reiterate before we
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  go any further that a lot of this whole strength of schedule
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  discussion, a lot of that hinges on the preseason rankings.
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  Yes, it does. You're going to have more SEC
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  teams historically ranked in the top 25 to start the season Until
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  you start stacking up some losses that doesn't really drop
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  a whole ton. So to me that really kind of
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  throws off the the overall it always strength the schedule.
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  This is my fear. This is my fear about what the
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  precedent that was set in in in and I've had some conversation
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  with tech fans. Thinks I'm stupid.
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  Y'all can see what you want to say.
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  The precedent is now set and 11:00 and 1:00 Virginia Tech
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  team who did not make the ACC title game 11:00 and 1:00.
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  Is. Ranked number 7 and let's say
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  the running back gets hurt in the last game against UVA Hurts.
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  His ankle going to be out of month is.
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  It is going to be. Able to play the game, but no.
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  By the way, I'm going to stop something right here.
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  Good point, right? The point in the Ohio State game
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  and then they couldn't move the ball against Iowa.
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  But the point is in a few years is the precedents now been set
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  that on the field doesn't matter because in a few years tally
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  going to go AWOL on someone when Tex 11 and one sitting at #7
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  running back gets hurt late in the season guys got 1400 yards
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  tearing it up. Oh.
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  Y'all lost your running back. We've got to put nine and three.
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  Alabama in over you. They're a better team than
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  Y'all. They play in a tougher
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  conference. That's the precedent that's set.
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  And people aren't seeing it right now because everybody
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  drives like this. They drive right in front of
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  them or just looking down the road where you're going to see
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  we're a good team. We can hang with anybody in the
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  country. But because of this, they can
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  now pull you out and say, no, they're better.
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  Brian, would you say they're better subjectively, not
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  objectively on the field? That's what's going to happen.
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  And if it happens to us, we're going to be pissed.
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  And everybody's going to be like, we'll let that happen,
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  then I'll be pissed. Look what's happening in front
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  of you right now. The only way you can do it is
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  give the blowback. Don't watch the games.
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  That's the only way you ever going to do it.
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  Don't watch the games. And for most fans, we can't
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  because we love it. We love the sport.
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  I have seen where we're talking about if if Florida State goes
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  out there and and beats Georgia, there's going to be some AP
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  voters that are putting Florida State number one regardless how
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  the college football playoffs shakes out.
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  So it it'll be interesting to see if we have any sort of
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  revolt on that front in in any sort of significant way.
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  I don't think we'll see. I don't think we'll see anything
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  that will super impact the polls, but it I I would love to
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  see something like that. I'd love to see that.
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  I'd just love to see. It takes me back to the youth,
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  Sheldon, Tally, anything else? Additionally, y'all want to add
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  on this because we won a good 15 minutes on this.
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  Now I think I'm good. Oh yeah, one more thing.
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  Florida State. Fuck you for talking about it at
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  the beginning of the season, how you want to leave and the ACC
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  wasn't shit. Then at the at the end of the
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  season, we all cheering for you because we want you to get in
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  because you deserve to be in. But you said fuck us at the
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  beginning of the season. So guess what?
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  You joined the book cocky line with the rest of us.
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  That's where you ended up. All right?
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  Fuck. All right, let's go and.
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  That is 20 minutes and 45 seconds, so.
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  Perfect. Remember that.
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  All right, let's go to the next thing that came up.
• 19:49
  And I don't know, I know I sent you all the articles.
• 19:51
  I don't know how much you read on.
• 19:52
  I know Brown read a bunch on it. But back on.
• 19:56
  Let me get the date here. December 5th.
• 19:59
  So just a few days after CFP was released, the NCAA proposed a
• 20:04
  new college athletic subdivision of athletics, basically.
• 20:09
  The. Way it seems is if you want to
• 20:12
  give your players money, and I don't know all the insurance and
• 20:16
  outs of it, 30,000 a year for four years to everybody if you
• 20:20
  play a sport. Brian, I'm going to let you get
• 20:23
  deeper into this. It really good work by Ross
• 20:26
  Dellinger. Two articles go read them.
• 20:30
  But Brian dug into this and Brian, this has been a passion
• 20:33
  of yours for a long time, but what is your take on this?
• 20:38
  So I think we know that sometime in the near future there's going
• 20:43
  to be this Power 5 schism or this high end of college
• 20:49
  football schism in the sport. I think it's coming.
• 20:53
  I think that's going to be a bigger discussion than this
• 20:58
  whole big two, Big Three thing that we kind of got going on
• 21:01
  because eventually that's not going to matter because there's
• 21:05
  going to be basically a subdivision with these teams and
• 21:08
  then other teams that play in what is now the NC, NCAA FBS.
• 21:16
  So when we look at that, this is kind of a again A NCAA life raft
• 21:23
  half ass proposal that I don't think really helps anybody and
• 21:31
  really is kind of weird because of the financials of it all.
• 21:35
  Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
• 21:38
  But what they're essentially saying is bringing collectives
• 21:41
  and nil in house, paying the athletes $30,000 into a trust
• 21:49
  for their four years and Title 9 is in place.
• 21:54
  So this would apply across the board for the collegiate sports
• 21:57
  at that institution. This would really mean like 25
• 22:05
  or 30 schools qualify. I think from a financial
• 22:08
  standpoint, you know Nil added in there.
• 22:12
  You might add a few more in there but this is not this
• 22:17
  probably doesn't get us where we want to go if if the if the
• 22:21
  overall goal is to have the best 50 or so programs kind of split
• 22:27
  off from the NC double AI don't think this gets us there.
• 22:30
  I think this is too of a too much of A unfeasible and hand
• 22:38
  holding proposal from the NCAA and the NCAA is proving more and
• 22:44
  more with some of the results of the lawsuits that we've had over
• 22:47
  the last couple days. They're losing their ability to
• 22:53
  have any sort of control over any aspect of the sport anymore.
• 22:57
  So I think we're going to see a more essentially the
• 23:00
  institutions doing this themselves and creating their
• 23:03
  own situation versus whatever is out there.
• 23:05
  But I I think this is a a life raft that's too late and feels
• 23:10
  desperate and is is not really going to be feasible for a lot
• 23:14
  of a lot of schools. True.
• 23:16
  Sheldon Tally, Anything on this Y'all read or heard about or?
• 23:21
  That was a lot of smart talking that he just did.
• 23:24
  And I ain't that smart. That was a whole bunch of
• 23:26
  talking that that he just did and what it comes down to.
• 23:30
  Let me break this down. It's the same as marijuana, all
• 23:33
  right? Marijuana's out on the streets
• 23:36
  and you got Shelton smoking it. This is just hypothetical,
• 23:41
  hypothetical, Hypothetical. He's going to get whatever he
• 23:46
  wants and he's having a good time and he can choose from his
• 23:50
  dealer what he wants. It's a problem for them because
• 23:53
  they can't put their hands in it.
• 23:55
  The NC double, they people been paying people for how long?
• 23:59
  Y'all been letting these schools rise to the top, paying people,
• 24:04
  paying off debts for people, moving people to houses, doing
• 24:07
  all of this stuff for years. Now you want to try to come in
• 24:10
  and say, oh, we're doing this to help everybody?
• 24:12
  No, you just want to do something so you can say you're
• 24:15
  regulating so you can get your fingers in.
• 24:17
  Now that's all you're trying to do.
• 24:19
  I just think that's too much, man.
• 24:21
  Just let it be what it's going to be.
• 24:23
  Just it is what it is. If the quarterback is the best
• 24:27
  player and people want to pay him more, if he earns that for
• 24:30
  his name, image and likeness, let him do it.
• 24:33
  The The backup second baseman shouldn't get paid the same
• 24:37
  amount as the starting quarterback.
• 24:39
  I'm just saying. I mean, hell, you've been doing
• 24:42
  this for the longest. Why you want to try to act like
• 24:43
  you're doing something different now?
• 24:46
  This is my take all. Right.
• 24:47
  Sheldon, you got anything on this?
• 24:49
  Anything you've read? And obviously you're close to
• 24:51
  this stuff. Yeah, well as you guys know,
• 24:54
  I'm, I'm a big history guy. So I try to look at the history
• 24:57
  of college bull and how it kind of, you know, shapes, shapes the
• 25:00
  present. I think, you know, we've,
• 25:03
  there's been some precedent for stuff like this before.
• 25:05
  I mean the NCAA split into divisions in 1973, they split
• 25:09
  into subdivisions in 1978. So you know they've always been
• 25:12
  kind of further dividing. We saw, you know, the Power 5
• 25:14
  versus Cooper Five divide in 2014.
• 25:17
  It just, you know it, it kind of changes as as time goes along.
• 25:20
  I think the main problem for the NCAA is that there's no one in
• 25:24
  charge trying to sort of lead the way and and do things that
• 25:30
  are in the best interest of the entire NCAA.
• 25:33
  Whereas in the NFL, all the NFL owners, yes they want money and
• 25:36
  they're motivated by greed and you know self-interest but
• 25:39
  they're all doing it for the benefit of the NFL.
• 25:41
  That's not the case in college because the five power 5
• 25:43
  conferences are working essentially against each other.
• 25:45
  So therefore the TV networks have all the leverage because
• 25:48
  they can negotiate with individual conferences rather
• 25:51
  than the the NCAA as a as a singular singular entity.
• 25:55
  So I guess all that's a long winded way of saying the cat's
• 25:59
  gotten too far out of the bag and I think this is a this is a
• 26:02
  problem that Kajal has just never dealt with because they've
• 26:04
  just they've pushed along they've sort of kicked the can
• 26:07
  down the road with the whole amateurs and thing and you know
• 26:11
  I I get I could I could go into a long winded spill but this for
• 26:13
  30 minutes but it's just it's it's just the the I think it's
• 26:17
  the result of of the NCAA leadership never really trying
• 26:20
  to resolve these problems other than just by kicking the can
• 26:23
  down the road. This is something that if it was
• 26:26
  said 15 years ago, it would it would have been revolutionary.
• 26:29
  It would. Have changed how the sport was
• 26:31
  done 15 years ago. It's too late now, it's too
• 26:35
  late. Money was always in there.
• 26:37
  The nil stuff. Brian said it numerous times.
• 26:40
  Like. They just sitting back.
• 26:42
  We don't want to touch any of this.
• 26:44
  And it was. It was.
• 26:45
  And this is where it got they. Let it get to a point where the
• 26:47
  legal system was going to force their hand into a situation
• 26:51
  where they didn't want to do anything with.
• 26:53
  So they were like, well, here you go with 100%.
• 26:57
  Very little thought put behind it because they they dragged
• 27:00
  their feet and they kicked the can down the road and then they
• 27:03
  got to a point where from a legal standpoint, they ran out
• 27:06
  of fucking Rd. Yep.
• 27:08
  Yep. And and that is why that is why
• 27:10
  the NCLA keeps losing court cases.
• 27:12
  Because everybody knows their business model is BS.
• 27:17
  That's how it is. Yep, that.
• 27:19
  Is what it is, so we'll see where it leads.
• 27:21
  If it leads to anything, I don't think it will lead to anything.
• 27:26
  The only thing it might lead to is when the break off happens of
• 27:29
  your top 5060 schools, which probably is going to happen in
• 27:33
  the next decade. It'll probably be, it'll
• 27:36
  probably be caps and stuff that'll that's the only thing
• 27:38
  they're throwing out there is can you cap what you pay a
• 27:41
  player as they play for your team.
• 27:43
  That's the only thing it's doing.
• 27:45
  All righty, let's. Go talk about the portal,
• 27:46
  because ever since. We.
• 27:50
  Have been here. Only one person had entered the
• 27:52
  portal. Since then more people have
• 27:55
  entered the portal. Priced you, Mike Hawkins, Dwayne
• 27:58
  Loft and Derek Canteen. Johnny Dixon, Chance Black
• 28:02
  obviously. Of those with Daquan Wright,
• 28:06
  really biggest contributor was Canteen.
• 28:10
  A lot of guys want to play in the bowl games.
• 28:14
  We have not had anybody commit to us yet but just.
• 28:17
  I know you all are reading and following.
• 28:19
  By the way, shout out Colby Crawford at 247.
• 28:21
  That kid is doing a hell of a job keeping track of everything.
• 28:27
  I don't. I don't know if we're going to
• 28:28
  substitute him for Matay. Matay, get on your P's and Q's
• 28:32
  right. That's cold.
• 28:34
  Next spring and next fall. No, just kidding me.
• 28:36
  Tell you our guy, But just from what y'all were seeing of the
• 28:40
  guys going out, what's to tell you?
• 28:45
  Anybody want a story? I'll.
• 28:47
  Leave out here what it tells me Two things.
• 28:49
  Number one, a lot of these guys are folks that have had limited
• 28:56
  roles, especially in the last year.
• 28:58
  But also it tells me that they want to play in the bowl.
• 29:01
  There's twofold here. Number one, this is a big
• 29:04
  culture move because if you've got guys that still want to be a
• 29:07
  part of your program as they're looking for their next home,
• 29:09
  that's huge. I think some of these guys do
• 29:12
  need tape, so that's going to help too.
• 29:14
  You get your practices the next two weeks, you get the bowl
• 29:17
  game. If you get some run in the game,
• 29:20
  some of these guys might get more run and we'll talk about
• 29:22
  why that might be as as we kind of move through this episode.
• 29:27
  But yeah, I think it it speaks to the culture that coach Prize
• 29:31
  building, Virginia Tech that they still want to be a part of
• 29:33
  this process. So that's my big take away.
• 29:38
  Tally, yeah, I kind of, you know, go along with what Brian
• 29:42
  said there. Don't like to talk about the old
• 29:45
  staff, you know, a whole bunch. But anytime we had somebody
• 29:48
  transfer out, it was always doom and gloom, you know, oh, I'm
• 29:52
  leaving because they shot my dog in the foot.
• 29:54
  You know, I'm leaving because they it was, it was just always
• 30:00
  a a soap opera when somebody was making a move for themselves.
• 30:04
  Then you'd have players fighting with fans, fans fighting with
• 30:07
  players. I hate to see some of these kids
• 30:10
  go because, you know, you watch them, they come in, they
• 30:13
  contribute and it's like you see them grow up, you know what I'm
• 30:16
  saying? Like I remember when Dwayne
• 30:18
  Lofton was a freshman and he comes in, you know, and we're
• 30:21
  excited to see him get on the field.
• 30:23
  You know, now he's moving on. He's trying to make a move for
• 30:25
  himself because we're talking about him.
• 30:27
  We'll probably talk about it a little bit more.
• 30:29
  I mean you got four starting wide receivers coming back
• 30:32
  that's going to get a lot of burn, you know?
• 30:35
  So he deserves to go somewhere and get some playing time, you
• 30:38
  know, he deserves to get to get in there and and try to make his
• 30:41
  dream come true, whether he wants to be a all conference
• 30:44
  player or All American or an NFL player.
• 30:47
  So I'm just using him for example.
• 30:49
  So it it is good as far as what Brian said as far as culture
• 30:54
  goes that you have these people that are leaving and it's like
• 30:58
  it's cordial, you know. Thank you coaches.
• 31:02
  I still want to go out here and fight with my brothers one last
• 31:05
  time and then I'm going to be making a move.
• 31:08
  You know that that that's something good and that's it's
• 31:10
  crazy because it feels like it was 10 years ago when we had all
• 31:14
  this turmoil. It was two years ago, you know
• 31:16
  what I'm saying? A year and a half ago, when we
• 31:18
  were sitting around wondering what I remember, people was
• 31:22
  telling us the program's dead. It ain't nothing to talk about.
• 31:25
  We never going to win again, you know?
• 31:28
  It's just a much different feeling around the program now,
• 31:30
  even though we won six games this year and I almost said only
• 31:33
  six games because I feel like we could have won more.
• 31:35
  But anyway, it's just a different, different feel around
• 31:38
  the program and it's it's something positive.
• 31:40
  It makes you feel good being a fan to see how the coaches are
• 31:45
  building that program. Anything Shelton on this?
• 31:49
  Anybody you're sad to see leave or?
• 31:52
  No, I mean, I think, I think the coach has done a great job.
• 31:55
  I think you know the term, the term culture gets thrown out a
• 31:59
  lot in sports and you hear coaches talk about all the time.
• 32:02
  I think one of the reasons that I was a little bit more
• 32:04
  optimistic than most fans, even when Tech was one and three, is
• 32:06
  that I felt like the staff was really good at at culture
• 32:09
  management and creating a culture where guys wanted to
• 32:12
  stay. I mean you talk about the last
• 32:14
  staff. You know, we had almost the
• 32:16
  entire team opt out after that that that 2021 bowl game against
• 32:19
  Maryland. And I I I remember tweeting
• 32:21
  after that game. I was like, you know, the pride
• 32:23
  needs to come in and and create a culture where guys want to
• 32:27
  stay and be a part of this team and not just you know quit when
• 32:29
  the things when things get tough.
• 32:30
  And I think that this staff has really done a great job with
• 32:32
  that and it's just you know so much of it.
• 32:36
  You know I think we we get caught up in like the exit and
• 32:38
  OSEN scheme and everything but but so much of of being a a
• 32:41
  leader, being a head coach is just you know managing people
• 32:43
  and and the staff has done a really good job of that and you
• 32:45
  can kind of see with the results it's just you know all these
• 32:48
  guys want to stay because they want to be a part of this
• 32:50
  program. So I think it's, I think it's a
• 32:51
  really good thing and it's a it's a testament to to the
• 32:54
  culture that Coach Price created.
• 32:56
  Yep. And that's the big piece when
• 32:57
  you see guys want to say it is the culture and that's also a
• 33:00
  selling point as you turn into guys coming in from the portal
• 33:05
  because that type of culture is something you want to sell.
• 33:08
  And I know as of right now, make sure right now, make sure no
• 33:11
  one's committed while I'm sitting here talking, that's
• 33:16
  what you want because it's an easy sell.
• 33:17
  Like why? The first question you would
• 33:20
  sell somebody is why do those guys want to stay?
• 33:22
  Why are those guys willing to put their bodies on the lines
• 33:25
  one more time for this team that says something.
• 33:30
  And you know, again, right now I look at it.
• 33:33
  It does hurt to see Derek Canteen go, but it's one of
• 33:36
  those things. I get that there's some younger
• 33:39
  guys than him. That.
• 33:41
  Potentially, could be playing those spots where he needs it.
• 33:46
  I was mentioning it. I think it's talent.
• 33:47
  Mentioned it to you. Derek Canteen.
• 33:50
  Hell of a Nickelback can play safety in a pinch, but if he
• 33:53
  wants to get the most out of his potential future contracts, he's
• 33:58
  got to show he can play on the outside.
• 34:01
  And if things happen here, you know that may happen over the
• 34:06
  next few weeks, he's not going to be able to play on the
• 34:08
  outside. Thus his his his limits capped
• 34:11
  here. He can't do any more.
• 34:12
  So we'll see. But tally, you already mentioned
• 34:16
  it, so let's start with that. We had the announcement
• 34:18
  yesterday. Y'all.
• 34:19
  What about next year? What about next year?
• 34:21
  Man, we know Drones is coming back well.
• 34:24
  Yeah, let's start right there. Curtis, when you talk about
• 34:26
  drones coming back, I mean, he was no nonsense with it.
• 34:30
  I think they said he was on like a radio show or something.
• 34:34
  Yeah. And he's like yeah I'm I'm you
• 34:36
  know next year's going to be fun.
• 34:38
  It wasn't he didn't have to. He just does what he does on the
• 34:41
  field like that's I just feel like that's what he is.
• 34:44
  You know he doesn't he even said like he he's not a huge talker.
• 34:48
  He just lets his game talk for him, you know, And I feel like
• 34:51
  that he started the team again. You know, we talked about all
• 34:55
  season, he started the team in the portal again and said, all
• 34:58
  right, y'all we need to, we need to start getting this because
• 35:01
  it's hard to pick up portal players when you don't know what
• 35:04
  pieces you have. There's a lot of PS right there,
• 35:07
  Portal players, pieces. So yeah, so when you, it's hard
• 35:12
  to do that. But when you have a dynamic
• 35:14
  quarterback that's coming back and then you got a couple of D
• 35:18
  lineman to come back, one great defensive end is coming back.
• 35:23
  You know, no disrespect to anybody else coming, but then
• 35:26
  you get the big, the big drop yesterday.
• 35:30
  Was it yesterday or day before yesterday?
• 35:31
  Yesterday. Yesterday 4.
• 35:33
  Four of your your top wide, your whole wide receivers score.
• 35:38
  Yeah your your whole wide receivers score is coming back
• 35:41
  because they didn't they practice and they fought all
• 35:45
  year to show us what they can do on the field and they feel like
• 35:49
  they didn't get to do that. You know they got unfinished
• 35:51
  business because we know Jennings went down in that
• 35:54
  second game you know get rolled up on and and and breaks his
• 35:58
  ankle. We was there sucked to see him
• 36:00
  riding on that cart you know with his parents that we knew he
• 36:04
  wasn't he he's not playing anymore this year.
• 36:06
  You know we don't we may never see him in a Virginia Tech
• 36:09
  jersey again is what we're thinking at that time.
• 36:12
  We're talking to each other. Well guess what they're back.
• 36:16
  They all coming back, man. They and, and and for those,
• 36:19
  some of those guys that maybe could move to a bigger program
• 36:23
  to get some more team accolades or maybe some personal accolades
• 36:27
  or even try to hand at the NFL to come back to a six and six
• 36:31
  program that's been struggling, that has been struggling over
• 36:34
  the last 5-6 years. And that says a lot, man.
• 36:38
  That says a lot that those kids are willing to put that on the
• 36:43
  line to say, OK, we can be legends at Virginia Tech because
• 36:48
  we're the foundation that's going to build what this can be.
• 36:51
  And it's that's that's special to watch, man.
• 36:53
  Shout out the Quest too, man. I see you in the chat Quest.
• 36:56
  I talk to Quest just about every day, man.
• 36:58
  He's told me a lot of stuff when we're talking about culture, the
• 37:02
  Virginia culture as well that the that the coaches have built.
• 37:08
  I've seen Quest went to NORCOM high School.
• 37:10
  I was. I see NORCOM and he talks to me
• 37:13
  a lot about, you know, their coaching staff.
• 37:18
  Uh oh. You might have.
• 37:20
  Got them filled now. OK, I'm good now.
• 37:26
  Yeah. So I was just, I was just saying
• 37:28
  Quest was talking to me about how NORCOM kind of felt about
• 37:31
  Virginia Tech during the dark days and how they feel now.
• 37:34
  And then I see a tweet from their head coach where he says,
• 37:37
  hey, we got to put Virginia Tech a parking spot out here.
• 37:39
  They're here all the time. You know, it's not just the
• 37:42
  team. It's it's going from you know
• 37:45
  the culture being built in the team to the fan base to the the
• 37:50
  surrounding areas, the Virginia, the high schools and that's
• 37:53
  that's that's cool to watch. No, I got off a little bit about
• 37:56
  the port. It's.
• 37:57
  One thing to talk about doing it, it's another thing to put in
• 38:00
  the legwork. And we're seeing the legwork
• 38:03
  happen. We're seeing the tweets, We're
• 38:05
  seeing the coaches put out information about it.
• 38:08
  We're seeing taking the the chopper to the high school
• 38:13
  games. We're seeing banners flying over
• 38:16
  Charlottesville on the state championship game, like, and I
• 38:21
  don't know who did that, but I don't either.
• 38:24
  Good fucking job. Great job.
• 38:26
  Genius job. You know, if you talk.
• 38:28
  About those four guys coming back and I mean you look at the
• 38:32
  stats obviously you know Ali didn't get to play this year
• 38:34
  with two games but the way he tore up ODU you knew he was
• 38:37
  going to do big things and then all wanting to come back and
• 38:41
  then the APR announcement and then Fuga.
• 38:44
  So right there is you talked about that is your best
• 38:47
  defensive lineman could argue might have been the best
• 38:50
  defensive player this year. That's the that's the that's the
• 38:53
  that's the episode for February though But then you got a guy
• 38:56
  like Fuga who was so emotional and so loves this place and as a
• 39:00
  culture driver in that room. So you get the best player and
• 39:03
  you get the culture driver, so as they bring in additional
• 39:08
  players. You.
• 39:10
  Know you're defensive tackle or you're not defensive end.
• 39:14
  That guy's good. That guy's going to give me
• 39:16
  chances to shine. And the saying goes like wide
• 39:21
  drones. If he knew they were coming
• 39:24
  back, I would have felt good about coming back too.
• 39:27
  About. Especially the way he made the
• 39:28
  connection this year and then we go into an off season and he is
• 39:33
  the clear cut #1. He's going to get all the reps
• 39:37
  those connections he's already got with Felton, Gosnell and
• 39:41
  Lane and hopefully he can develop that with Jennings.
• 39:45
  That that's big. That's big by the way.
• 39:48
  Hold on, we got, we got to do something real quick.
• 39:50
  Robbie was up in Stanton and he saw he saw the plane that.
• 39:56
  Was great. All right, Sheldon, you got.
• 39:59
  Anything on any of these guys? I know, I know.
• 40:01
  Data points to a few of these guys being elite metrically,
• 40:06
  right? Yeah, give me.
• 40:08
  I'm gonna. I'm gonna look it up for a SEC.
• 40:10
  But. All right.
• 40:11
  Well, let's go to this. I'll let you flip on you.
• 40:13
  You look up that just talk about of the guys returning our elite
• 40:16
  ones, but did everybody see this Elaine tweet today?
• 40:19
  Oh yeah. Shoot, Brian.
• 40:25
  I don't have it, but I can find it.
• 40:26
  Hang on, Find. It and read it.
• 40:27
  I I had it up earlier and then I freaking.
• 40:30
  I'm like. A dumb ass.
• 40:32
  I mean, I can. I can paraphrase it.
• 40:34
  The grass ain't always greener and not everything that glitters
• 40:36
  is gold. That's it.
• 40:39
  I don't know what that means, but we we just said a few
• 40:43
  minutes ago about Derrick Canteen leaving, right?
• 40:46
  But if, if, if, if. If him.
• 40:57
  And Dorian Strong come back and with how Dante Lovett looked
• 41:00
  this year and how Braylon looked and those guys were raw freshmen
• 41:09
  and the pair with APR and the pair we're seeing we're going
• 41:12
  after things in the portal. The defense was was in the top
• 41:16
  25 total defense this year and they had and the whole thing is
• 41:21
  we can all say it, Brian, you can definitely say it and tally
• 41:23
  you can say it. We weren't the best at times on
• 41:26
  defense, but we still ranked in the top 25.
• 41:32
  So when we see all this about all these guys returning in the
• 41:35
  offense, which went from a dumpster fire last year in like
• 41:38
  110 and now I think it's in the 70s and that's Brian, didn't we
• 41:44
  say that? Yeah, we said, we said just get
• 41:47
  it to the 80s, you'll be OK. We went to the, we went up to
• 41:51
  the 70s. So you know Sean, you've been
• 41:55
  able to find it of who are some of these guys returning, who are
• 41:58
  our best metric guys? Yeah, I know Jay Lane was one of
• 42:02
  the top guys in the ACC grades. Watch for receivers.
• 42:05
  Big yak monster. Two he didn't.
• 42:07
  He didn't leave the conference in yak yards after catch, but he
• 42:10
  did lead it in in yak per reception.
• 42:12
  So he's extremely, extremely efficient when he when he's
• 42:15
  catching the ball and that. That's with that bullshit
• 42:19
  touchdown that was called back, too.
• 42:21
  Yeah, yeah. But I think we, I think we
• 42:25
  scored a touchdown, we ended up scoring a touchdown on that
• 42:27
  drive. So I which I think was Gosnell
• 42:29
  so. I.
• 42:30
  Guess, you know you spread spread the level around a little
• 42:32
  bit I suppose, yeah. And then I know Gosnell.
• 42:38
  Let's see, where's Gosnell? Yeah, he was really good in
• 42:40
  blocking, not quite as much in in other phases but he he also,
• 42:46
  he also LED our team in snaps for wide receivers.
• 42:51
  So yeah, which was kind of surprising because you don't
• 42:54
  really, you know think of his name when you, you know you
• 42:57
  think of our our top receivers. But I think that kind of just
• 43:00
  shows that you know the coaches, the coaches really trust him.
• 43:04
  He had, let me see, Gosnell had 338 passing snaps in the season,
• 43:09
  which led all the Hokies. So I mean, I think that just
• 43:12
  shows that the coach really trusts him with his blocking and
• 43:14
  he's a really, he's a really well-rounded player.
• 43:18
  Good deal. Go ahead.
• 43:20
  Brian I was gonna say if if you can block you keep your ass on
• 43:23
  the field that's that's just. Yeah, and.
• 43:26
  That's a good way to stay on the field is if you can block well.
• 43:29
  Yes. And I've asked Fontell before
• 43:31
  about, you know his his philosophy on blocking and he
• 43:33
  said like if you if you did not block, you were not playing for
• 43:36
  me. So I think he's, he's, he's very
• 43:39
  big on that. He's a very, very astute coach.
• 43:42
  Yes, he is that. Now obviously there's a few more
• 43:44
  guys still out there. Obviously the Lane and Strong
• 43:46
  have not made announcements yet. Tuden has not made an
• 43:48
  announcement yet. We haven't heard anything from
• 43:52
  like Cancer Jenkins and a few other guys who have eligibility
• 43:57
  and and you said it's the sitting waiting game.
• 43:59
  But we know again we've thrown a ton of offers out there.
• 44:02
  They're trying to upgrade the offensive line, They're trying.
• 44:06
  Let's hope that comes to fruition.
• 44:09
  Some are dropping. We got about, I think about a
• 44:12
  third, maybe just over a third of the guys we've got offered
• 44:16
  have now found another home committed elsewhere well.
• 44:19
  A couple of them though, look where they committed to.
• 44:22
  Yeah. A couple of them came in and
• 44:23
  visited and effectively they left without committing and you
• 44:29
  know they and and there's no knock.
• 44:32
  It might just be that's where they want to be, but there was a
• 44:35
  couple guys who kind of looked at as high regarded guys are
• 44:38
  going to G fives, they're staying in the G5.
• 44:41
  So it's almost like they tried, but it just ain't there.
• 44:45
  So almost put some from Quest up here maybe.
• 44:54
  Well, let me ask this. And I I wanted that.
• 44:57
  Brian, I hit you up with all y'all.
• 45:01
  Can you legitimately throw 5 brand new offensive lineman
• 45:04
  together and expect it to mesh in the in basically the course
• 45:08
  of six, not even six months? In the course of, what, 28
• 45:14
  practices? I'm going to tell you what I
• 45:17
  told you before, when you don't have an offensive line, getting
• 45:21
  5 new ones is probably an upgrade.
• 45:26
  So for Colorado, bringing in five new guys is probably going
• 45:29
  to be a net positive to what they had last year.
• 45:33
  Just saying. If they wanted an, if they
• 45:36
  wanted an elite offensive line, they would have got 5 white boys
• 45:40
  from Wisconsin. That's what they should have
• 45:43
  done. I mean, I don't know exactly
• 45:45
  what the offensive line look like, but if they ain't five
• 45:48
  white boys from Wisconsin or one of those states, they may be
• 45:53
  average. I'm just telling you.
• 45:55
  They got to drive. They got to drive a pickup
• 45:56
  truck. Have no neck at all?
• 45:58
  No. Neck be.
• 45:59
  Be pure blue. Elastic.
• 46:02
  Oh. Man.
• 46:05
  All right, let's flip it over before we wrap up this side of
• 46:07
  the episode and let's talk about the the coach openings, because
• 46:11
  a tongue got filled. And I'm going to focus on just a
• 46:14
  handful here that to me, I think are going to be important or
• 46:18
  maybe important to Virginia Tech.
• 46:21
  I'm going to mention the ones I don't really Sean Lewis.
• 46:24
  That literally happened the last time we were here.
• 46:25
  He literally got hired literally 20 minutes before we went off
• 46:28
  air. Jay Sawbell's taking over for
• 46:30
  Greg. All that.
• 46:32
  I can't. The guy who produced Josh Allen,
• 46:34
  like I've been there for like at Wyoming for 20 years gone.
• 46:38
  The defensive coordinator takes over at Boise State.
• 46:40
  Scotty Walden to UTEP. I don't know who that is.
• 46:42
  Bryant. Vincent UL Monroe.
• 46:44
  I don't know who that is. Trent Bray was a DC out of
• 46:46
  Oregon State. He stays where Smith went to
• 46:49
  Michigan State. First aim, Y'all want to hit
• 46:52
  about Bronco Mendenhall's back in the coaching game.
• 46:55
  Greg Bowl, thank you very much, Pete Bronco to New Mexico.
• 47:01
  But this is where I want to talk about it.
• 47:02
  First guy I want to talk about is Middle Tennessee and that
• 47:05
  they heard Derek Mason. Everybody knows who Derek Mason
• 47:07
  is, right? Oh yeah, Coach Vanderbilt.
• 47:09
  Coach Stanford. Why?
• 47:11
  I look at that and y'all give you your opinions on this.
• 47:14
  Derek Mason is a very good defensive football coach.
• 47:17
  He has been he he was at Stanford.
• 47:20
  He's always been a good defensive football coach.
• 47:23
  I. See a guy going there like that,
• 47:25
  and I'm going to tell you what, that's our territory.
• 47:28
  That's at six hour radius, right?
• 47:31
  Right. Sean Quinn's always out
• 47:32
  somewhere in Tennessee recruiting players.
• 47:35
  I. See a guy?
• 47:36
  Like that go to Middle Tennessee and it's one of those.
• 47:39
  It's a portal thought. He is going to create a good
• 47:43
  player who was a two star or walk on and in two or three
• 47:47
  years we need to drive our asses out there and we need to go say,
• 47:52
  hey, I know you love Coach Mason, I know you love Middle
• 47:55
  Tennessee, but you need to come here because it's like that
• 47:58
  perfect. And I think that's what we need
• 48:00
  to start looking to is where guys going to have pedigree that
• 48:03
  can coach certain positions well and almost make that a target.
• 48:07
  Like if I was, if I was Coach Pratt, I would invite Mason and
• 48:11
  his staff in the Blacksburg for a week to talk football.
• 48:13
  Hey, y'all come on over six hour drive.
• 48:15
  Come on. State Middle Tennessee needs to
• 48:17
  be our farm system, yes. I think they got a linebacker.
• 48:22
  I think they got a middle linebacker that we're looking at
• 48:23
  right now, yeah. Yeah, we plot narrowly.
• 48:25
  We got to start plotting early, yes.
• 48:28
  But, you know, that's the way I see it.
• 48:30
  You got to guys you feel comfortable with or guys who
• 48:33
  have a good track record, focus on those schools when you go in
• 48:36
  portal hunting. That's what I say.
• 48:38
  All right. Obviously two of the big ones
• 48:40
  for the bowl game, Willie Fritz left Tulane, everybody knows
• 48:43
  that, right? Oh yeah.
• 48:45
  I've heard it a couple times, the last couple just a little
• 48:47
  bit right. Not only did he leave the whole
• 48:50
  fucking coaching staff left whole.
• 48:51
  Coaching staff, Half the. Players, and I said it on
• 48:55
  Twitter, I'm going to say it on here.
• 48:57
  I don't want to hear shit. I don't want to hear shit about
• 49:01
  them not having the players or the coaches.
• 49:03
  Because when we went up to Maryland and we got our asses
• 49:05
  kicked, y'all hey, y'all was on us.
• 49:11
  I'm talking about the Vt fans. Was on us all.
• 49:14
  We went up there and we did this all we did.
• 49:15
  Hell, we had a guy that played tight end playing quarterback.
• 49:20
  He threw the ball like Uncle Rico, you know what I'm saying?
• 49:25
  So hey, I ain't saying we're going to win or blow them out,
• 49:28
  but we we better win and blow them out.
• 49:31
  That's all I'm saying. Yeah.
• 49:32
  They hired John Summerall, who was actually just down the road
• 49:35
  in your neck of the woods. Tally down at Troy, yeah.
• 49:38
  He's a good coach. He's a good, he's a really good
• 49:40
  coach, All right. Anything on those?
• 49:44
  I was interested. Like the the Kirk Cignetti thing
• 49:47
  kind of surprised me. I thought he would hold out for
• 49:49
  a better gig than Indiana, but 60?
• 49:53
  Two Yeah, he's old. He's old.
• 49:56
  I guess the one that kind of, you know, that I was looking at
• 49:59
  the most is maybe Manny Diaz to Duke.
• 50:03
  You know, I'm interested to see how he recruits there, what he
• 50:07
  does there. Because Elko kind of had them
• 50:10
  rolling, man. Of of the hires that I thought
• 50:13
  they that that were rumored, Diaz is the one I'm glad they
• 50:17
  picked. Right.
• 50:21
  If you if you catch what I'm putting down there.
• 50:24
  We catch exactly what you're putting down there, but I think
• 50:27
  for him it's just trying to be a head coach again and knowing the
• 50:30
  a the situation now he's not walking into the best situation
• 50:34
  that Duke that they've been good the last two years so if you're
• 50:37
  Doo Doo the last the first couple years they're going to be
• 50:39
  like. What the hell?
• 50:41
  Elko came here and started winning right away, but he also
• 50:44
  knows. Duke.
• 50:46
  Will give you 5 or six years. Duke will still give you more
• 50:50
  time than a lot of places. So yeah.
• 50:52
  And I mean, he's probably going to not have as much of a problem
• 50:56
  keeping some of those defensive pieces in place and it will kind
• 51:00
  of come in and not have to tweak a whole lot scheme wise.
• 51:05
  The big question is going to be what?
• 51:07
  What does he do on offense? I mean, you lose Riley Leonard,
• 51:10
  you lost a, you know, a couple other big pieces on that defense
• 51:12
  already. You lost a, you know, a couple
• 51:15
  pieces on the offense. So it's going to be interesting
• 51:18
  to see what he does in the portal and if he can kind of
• 51:23
  keep the train moving in the right direction that Elko
• 51:26
  started with Duke there. So, Sheldon.
• 51:31
  Any of these coaching moves shock you, Surprise you?
• 51:34
  You like, you love, You hate. Yeah, I think a few thoughts.
• 51:40
  I think, I think Syracuse had a pretty solid hire.
• 51:42
  Fran Brown came from, came from Georgia.
• 51:45
  He was the DC there. So look, if if if Kirby trusts a
• 51:48
  guy to call plays, I mean that's got to be a pretty good thing.
• 51:51
  I think Signetti Indiana was interesting just because of his
• 51:54
  age, I thought he'd stick it out there.
• 51:56
  I will say I know some Vt fans might not like this, but JME has
• 52:00
  had a really solid program. I think they are a program that
• 52:02
  kind of transcends the coaching staff.
• 52:04
  You look at you know the coaches that have left there, they have
• 52:06
  not been great. When they're at JMU, they're
• 52:08
  very good. So I think I think you know you
• 52:10
  could say he's much more a product of the of the JMU
• 52:12
  culture so to speak. So be interesting to see how
• 52:15
  that turns out. And then elsewhere, I don't know
• 52:19
  Diaz to Duke, I think that's a pretty solid hire.
• 52:22
  You you mentioned the two lane coaching staff so I just looked
• 52:24
  it up as you were talking. They will have seven full time
• 52:27
  coaches. Two lane will in the ball game
• 52:29
  against Virginia Tech. So there is out three and those
• 52:32
  three are the Jeeves coordinator, their D backs coach
• 52:36
  and their wide receivers coach. So.
• 52:38
  Those guys are all out right now.
• 52:40
  Tulin does not have anyone that will coach linebackers, so it
• 52:43
  remains to be seen if they can, if they can fix that, and I
• 52:45
  think that's going to be, that's going to be pretty good news for
• 52:47
  Tech skill guys. That does sound good for tech
• 52:51
  skill guys. And Robbie asked a question and
• 52:53
  actually yeah, there is a connection with Mason and Marv.
• 52:56
  Mason he GAD, he was a quality guy and he coached linebackers
• 53:00
  for two years under Mason at Vanderbilt.
• 53:04
  So obviously a connection there. The Bob Chesney 1 to JMU guy was
• 53:09
  up at Holy Cross up in FCS, took them to numerous playoff games.
• 53:14
  I think you make a good point. Does the culture transcend?
• 53:18
  Does the culture transcend? Any coach that comes there can
• 53:22
  and will be good. Now what that eventually puts
• 53:26
  you in a pinch with, though, is if the culture's that good and
• 53:29
  the transcends everything, people start saying, I don't,
• 53:33
  I'm not hiring him because it's they're going to be a good
• 53:36
  football team. Doesn't matter who steps into
• 53:38
  that place, right? Yeah, and I forgot, I forgot to
• 53:41
  mention Chesney, he's also a very good hire.
• 53:43
  I I dig, I dug into his background a little bit at Holy
• 53:45
  Cross. He he totally turned around an
• 53:47
  awful program. So I think and he he's a great
• 53:49
  culture guy too Speaking of culture.
• 53:51
  So I think, I think he'll do very well.
• 53:53
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• 55:26
  And we are back and let's flip it down.
• 55:28
  Let's talk about the Hokies bowl game and know the enemy Tulane.
• 55:32
  We've already kind of mentioned it already.
• 55:34
  A lot of the enemies leaving, so it was very tough.
• 55:37
  Brown was looking at tape and Brown would be like, what about
• 55:40
  this guy? He's in the portal.
• 55:41
  Shit, what about the quarterback?
• 55:44
  Quarterback might be in the portal.
• 55:45
  He's hurt anyway, so it was a tough one to do.
• 55:48
  So but we are going to hit some pieces of it.
• 55:50
  But what was just your general reaction, boys?
• 55:52
  It was the Military Bowl, Could have been the Mayo Bowl.
• 55:55
  It was rumors. It could have been the Sun Bowl.
• 55:57
  Or were you just happy to be back?
• 56:00
  It's that feeling watching it on Sunday, because last year it
• 56:03
  sucked. It did.
• 56:06
  You get to watch it's. It felt good to be, you know,
• 56:10
  talking about a bowl, to be back in the bowl.
• 56:13
  You know, honestly, you know, some people just Twitter people,
• 56:17
  oh, we should, we should be playing them.
• 56:20
  We should be. I said, man, I don't care who we
• 56:22
  play. I just want to win.
• 56:25
  We can play the Helen Keller School for all I care.
• 56:27
  I don't want to beat them, you know what I'm saying?
• 56:30
  I said. Give me guy.
• 56:30
  You're dead. I'll I'll go out there and beat
• 56:32
  tell you one. Thing Somebody said we need to
• 56:34
  play Kentucky. I said no.
• 56:35
  The fuck we don't I? Don't want to play?
• 56:38
  I do not want to play Kentucky. I'm just tired of said.
• 56:41
  I don't want to see them this year, but if we would have
• 56:44
  played them, like I said, I was just excited to be back in in
• 56:46
  the bowl games so we can we have more content to talk about.
• 56:51
  You know, we don't talk anyway, but we got more content to talk
• 56:54
  about, man, because when you got those weeks and everybody else
• 56:57
  is preparing for bowl game and you sitting at home sucks man.
• 57:00
  Especially when you know you only win three games.
• 57:03
  So the double date win total this year.
• 57:05
  But for me and I and I got to say my esteemed colleague
• 57:09
  Shelton, like we expected it the whole time.
• 57:13
  I I know y'all was in there too. The whole BCP was in.
• 57:16
  There, you know. Like even when we started out,
• 57:19
  y'all. Y'all were very confident.
• 57:21
  Now I will say that y'all were very.
• 57:22
  Confident. Even when we started out rough,
• 57:24
  though, Sheldon kind of, he kept me, he kept me grounded, he said
• 57:28
  he said. Lethal ACC play.
• 57:29
  We'll be all right. We got to.
• 57:30
  We got to. Section a little bit here, he
• 57:31
  said. Tally, the analytics, that's
• 57:34
  what he said. The analytics like you know
• 57:36
  he'll hit you with that right there and it's like all right
• 57:39
  man, once we got rolling and then we got to see some, we got
• 57:42
  to see, you know, last year we had three wins, but it was like
• 57:45
  a tough three wins too. It was like we didn't have a lot
• 57:48
  of like man, we got highlight tapes.
• 57:50
  This year we got you know some cool stuff going on with social
• 57:55
  media putting out videos and things like that.
• 57:58
  So it was six win season and it was just fun, fun to see So you
• 58:04
  can feel the the energy around the program and you can feel
• 58:07
  that into the bowl game. So I I was just excited to to be
• 58:11
  back in bowl contention. Honestly, yeah.
• 58:14
  It was nice to see the team kind of hit a hit, a little bit of a
• 58:16
  reset button, clean things up a little bit after a three-game
• 58:20
  losing streak and just go on a tear there in the ACC play
• 58:23
  against anyone who didn't end the season with a a number next
• 58:27
  to their name that that was satisfying.
• 58:31
  And then, you know, Speaking of bowl games, you know, it could
• 58:34
  have been Mayo, but the committee kind of fucked us
• 58:36
  there because as soon as FSU wasn't in, it was pretty much
• 58:40
  the the Mayo was out of play for us.
• 58:42
  So it just took. Just took forever to finally get
• 58:45
  a the call of where we were going out, yeah.
• 58:47
  Yeah. So you know we kind of knew if
• 58:50
  if it wasn't the Mayo was probably going to be some high
• 58:52
  level G5 team in the Military Bowl.
• 58:56
  So that's what you you. Know something that I kind of
• 58:59
  laugh at and and and everybody likes to downtrodden the ACC.
• 59:03
  You know the ACC is playing every double digit win G5 team.
• 59:09
  We're playing Tulane B, CS playing SMU and who've I missing
• 59:15
  Troy is playing Duke. Well, of course you're going to
• 59:19
  get a bad looks like, well, you, you should beat them like 11
• 59:23
  games this year. They're still a good football
• 59:25
  team, some good. Teams, man.
• 59:27
  They. Are.
• 59:28
  And by the way shout out to those going Shelton being one of
• 59:31
  them, contributing, selling out, selling out, selling out the
• 59:37
  allotment up there. Now you going to drive up three
• 59:40
  O 1 and back same day. Are you going up to Nova and
• 59:42
  hanging out with somebody, Sheldon for the game?
• 59:44
  I. Got So I I have a preview set
• 59:46
  up. I got AI, got a family member
• 59:48
  who lives in Annapolis, like 2 miles from the stadium.
• 59:53
  I got the would. They would.
• 59:54
  They harbor three, you know, ruffians.
• 59:58
  DeGeneres. Our kids got doctor's
• 1:00:01
  appointment. My wife would.
• 1:00:02
  I wouldn't be able to come home for a month if I did that.
• 1:00:06
  All righty. Well, let's jump into it, Brian.
• 1:00:08
  Let's talk about this offense, talk about a couple players and
• 1:00:13
  then talk about scheme. Let's just talk about the scheme
• 1:00:17
  in general. Obviously, the offensive
• 1:00:20
  coordinator is no longer there, right?
• 1:00:22
  He gone. No, he's not gone.
• 1:00:25
  I thought he was gone, but he might not be gone.
• 1:00:28
  Hang on. Everything.
• 1:00:30
  Everything. O CS gone right.
• 1:00:32
  Sheldon, you had it up. Shoot, I forgot.
• 1:00:36
  I thought it was ADC. No.
• 1:00:39
  Yes, because the interim head coach is going to call the
• 1:00:41
  plays. So I think so.
• 1:00:42
  OK. There you go.
• 1:00:43
  All right, but what are we looking at system wise, scheme
• 1:00:46
  wise? Yeah.
• 1:00:48
  So what we're looking at here, I mean it's a, it's a pro spread
• 1:00:51
  system. They will go multiple, multiple
• 1:00:54
  front quarterback is mostly a shotgun will go under center.
• 1:00:58
  They run a lot of Wildcat and Pistol as well, lots of quick
• 1:01:02
  passes predicated on the quick passing game.
• 1:01:05
  They like to move the ball in the pocket in the passing game.
• 1:01:07
  So they're going to roll the quarterback out a good deal and
• 1:01:10
  they're really consistent effect on the running game, which sets
• 1:01:13
  up their play action whenever they want to kind of take those
• 1:01:15
  shots. All right, good deal.
• 1:01:18
  Well, let's talk about. I do not have a lot of info on
• 1:01:20
  these guys because when they were dropping like flies, I was
• 1:01:23
  not going to do the research. I was not taking the time.
• 1:01:25
  But I want to talk about Makai Hughes, because Makai Hughes,
• 1:01:28
  how is this kid not in the portal?
• 1:01:30
  He rushed for almost 1300 yards this year over 5A, carry 7
• 1:01:34
  touchdowns and he's a freshman at Tulane.
• 1:01:37
  How is that kid not in the portal?
• 1:01:39
  Now watch Brian because he's not in the portal yet.
• 1:01:42
  You get to tell us what he does. Good.
• 1:01:45
  Yeah and based on who else is in the portal and I know we'll talk
• 1:01:49
  about that a little bit this is their offense from from my
• 1:01:54
  estimation of who's left that I can actually give you
• 1:01:57
  information about this is their offense.
• 1:02:00
  But it's it's it's a damn good player to have to say that
• 1:02:03
  about. I mean he's got good vision and
• 1:02:06
  improvisation as a running back, runs with really good balance,
• 1:02:10
  likes to take the cut back game lanes if the the defense kind of
• 1:02:14
  over pursues in the running game runs through kind of those pop
• 1:02:18
  and arm tackles. So you got to wrap him up and
• 1:02:21
  surprisingly a good blocker for a true freshman.
• 1:02:24
  But I mean if he's a freshman and he's on the field he's
• 1:02:27
  probably blocking because otherwise he wouldn't be there
• 1:02:30
  or he'd only be there in certain situations.
• 1:02:31
  So that that that's what we're looking at here.
• 1:02:36
  Like I said, he's he's he's he's got a little bit of breakaway so
• 1:02:39
  he can't hit the home run, but he is kind of just a guy that
• 1:02:44
  you got to bring down because he will pop some some of those.
• 1:02:48
  Little. Burst on you from from here
• 1:02:50
  there and and and kind of grind it out.
• 1:02:52
  All righty, all righty, we're going to talk about Alex
• 1:02:55
  Ballman, but legitimately, you, Brian even had the notes in here
• 1:02:58
  on Ballman and then literally he went in the portal today.
• 1:03:04
  Because, because that's. Their tight end, by the way.
• 1:03:08
  That's their. Tight end?
• 1:03:09
  Yeah, yeah. Sheldon, you hit real quick
• 1:03:12
  before Brian jumps on the offensive line.
• 1:03:14
  We know they're missing Chris Brazil.
• 1:03:18
  We know Pratt's probably not going to play in a couple other
• 1:03:21
  their wide outs have been banged, but you looked up a few
• 1:03:24
  of their guys. Like what are they missing?
• 1:03:26
  Like seriously, you know, analytics wise.
• 1:03:29
  Yeah. Well, obviously Brazil, you
• 1:03:30
  mentioned he was a pretty solid grader in PFF, about 16 yards
• 1:03:34
  for catch, pretty efficient in yards for route run.
• 1:03:37
  And when he was targeted, he was top 20 among among group of five
• 1:03:40
  wide receivers when targeted efficiency, efficiency rating
• 1:03:43
  wise and then some of their some of the other guys defensive
• 1:03:47
  lineman. I don't know if these guys are
• 1:03:51
  officially yeah it looks like they are 'cause they're
• 1:03:53
  receiving offers. So Devi Ann deal from
• 1:03:59
  mispronouncing that really good pass rusher 83.4 pass rush grade
• 1:04:03
  28 totally QB pressures. Keith Cooper Junior, another D
• 1:04:06
  Lyman. He's got a 5 sacks, 77 rush
• 1:04:10
  defense grade, Not a great tackler, but they've also got
• 1:04:15
  defensive back DJ Douglas. 3IN TS, 72 pass first grade and very
• 1:04:19
  good in coverage around 78, which is 28th in a group of five
• 1:04:22
  S Missing a couple a couple big boys in the D line and a couple
• 1:04:26
  couple of good skill guys as well.
• 1:04:28
  Yep. In Brazil right now, Tally, you
• 1:04:32
  see where he's likely going. Tennessee.
• 1:04:37
  That's good. That's that's that's a big
• 1:04:39
  difference, man. And he did something.
• 1:04:41
  He did something right. And again, This is why the
• 1:04:44
  portal's good, right? A kid was you go look at Chris
• 1:04:47
  Bozell and who he was coming out of high school like like a mid,
• 1:04:53
  three star, mid to low three star.
• 1:04:56
  Nowhere. Nowhere had him ranked in the
• 1:04:59
  top 100 wide receivers in the country last year.
• 1:05:02
  He goes there and he blows up. Good for him.
• 1:05:05
  This is what it's for. Yeah, Brian, they do not have or
• 1:05:11
  if they do, they don't have many offensive lineman out.
• 1:05:16
  But what does their offensive line look like?
• 1:05:20
  Better in the run game than they are in pass pro for sure, You
• 1:05:24
  know looking at them, good job of passing defenders off in the
• 1:05:28
  combo and getting to the second level.
• 1:05:31
  The quick passing game disguises some of their pass pro
• 1:05:33
  deficiencies, but they they really don't do a very good job
• 1:05:37
  in pass pro overall. You know, the question is will
• 1:05:40
  the the skilled players that they're missing and the lack of
• 1:05:45
  timing that we'll probably see with some of those newer skilled
• 1:05:49
  players, is that going to create a problem?
• 1:05:51
  Is that going to throw off some of the timing of those quick
• 1:05:53
  hitters and are we going to be have some additional
• 1:05:55
  opportunities to get after the quarterback A?
• 1:05:58
  100% tally, you mentioned you watched Pratt or you watched
• 1:06:03
  them play Ole Miss, right? You watched a lot of that game
• 1:06:05
  where Pratt was not there. Yeah, a little bit.
• 1:06:08
  I watched a little bit of it. Seems like it was years ago.
• 1:06:11
  It it. Does it was months ago, but I
• 1:06:13
  can remember you mentioned to me like without even the number one
• 1:06:16
  quarterback, they hung with them most of that game until the
• 1:06:18
  fourth quarter. Yeah, yeah, they gave all this
• 1:06:21
  all they can handle, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:06:22
  But they just had, I think they were a well coached team and
• 1:06:24
  they had some skilled positions. So you know, I'm glad we ain't
• 1:06:30
  playing that team. I'm glad half of them gone.
• 1:06:34
  I want to win. I want to be right, then I want
• 1:06:37
  to win. He wants to win.
• 1:06:40
  Sean, you got anything on Pratt? Because apparently there's also
• 1:06:44
  talk that he could declare for the draft, No.
• 1:06:48
  Unfortunately, I don't have anything on him.
• 1:06:49
  Nothing. On Pratt, yeah.
• 1:06:50
  That's hung up I. Mean he threw for 2400 yards
• 1:06:53
  this year, 22 touchdown, 5 picks, close to 300 yards
• 1:06:57
  rushing. So obviously if he's not there
• 1:07:00
  and their backup went out, I think I read today the guy who
• 1:07:04
  will be starting has taken 7 steps of his entire career.
• 1:07:09
  I don't like that because every time that happens to us, they
• 1:07:12
  have, they play it, you know? It you say it all the time.
• 1:07:16
  Why can't I say it? All right, Brian, let's flip
• 1:07:18
  over to the defense next. Obviously, Sean's already
• 1:07:21
  mentioned they're missing some really key players there, man.
• 1:07:25
  But they do have a couple guys that as of today say this.
• 1:07:29
  As of today, at this very moment at time, is it 1043 Eastern
• 1:07:34
  Standard Time on December 13th are still there?
• 1:07:39
  What does the scheme look like and who are a couple of good
• 1:07:40
  players? Yeah, I mean they run a multiple
• 1:07:44
  front kind of hybrid, 4-3 base defense, standing defensive end
• 1:07:49
  in linebacker hybrid. They they they use that that's
• 1:07:52
  called the dog. They also have a hybrid safety
• 1:07:56
  linebacker that they call the anchor.
• 1:07:59
  They like to bring a lot of pressure on run and pass downs
• 1:08:01
  from every level. So they kind of mix things up
• 1:08:03
  from a from a defensive perspective with the with the
• 1:08:05
  pressure they will bring people all the time from different
• 1:08:08
  levels that are not afraid to get after get after the
• 1:08:10
  quarterback and cause some confusion for the offensive line
• 1:08:13
  in the run game. All righty, Let's talk about
• 1:08:16
  Jesus Machado here. They're starting Mike
• 1:08:20
  linebacker. Guy had close to 100 tackles
• 1:08:22
  this year. What's he do?
• 1:08:25
  Good. What's he do?
• 1:08:26
  Bad Can we take advantage of him if he doesn't have some of the
• 1:08:30
  players Shelton mentioned? Yeah, he's their Mike backer.
• 1:08:33
  They used him a lot on the blitzes though, that he's he's
• 1:08:35
  playing in the back field a good deal.
• 1:08:38
  Definitely their best tackle in the front 7, cover a lot of
• 1:08:41
  ground fast, really guy that can move around for a good deal and
• 1:08:45
  probably his biggest weakness is he's not good at shedding
• 1:08:48
  blockers. So if he doesn't have a couple
• 1:08:50
  guys up front, protecting him and and and giving him some
• 1:08:53
  cover could be a long day for him.
• 1:08:55
  But if if he's running free, he can make some plays.
• 1:09:00
  All righty and another guy that is again still there who
• 1:09:04
  actually had a pretty good season.
• 1:09:07
  Another defensive lineman, Darius Hodge.
• 1:09:10
  Actually, we'll have another year of eligibility left, so he
• 1:09:17
  may be leaving, but may want to play one more game.
• 1:09:19
  Led the team in sacks with 7 1/2, you know a six foot four,
• 1:09:23
  265 LB defensive line and where is he lined up at and how good
• 1:09:28
  is he? He's the dog he's, yeah, So he's
• 1:09:32
  the DN occasionally puts his hand in the dirt, usually
• 1:09:34
  standing up though. They'll slide him back into a
• 1:09:37
  backer spot if they go with that three man front.
• 1:09:41
  Really good blend of speed and power, really good motor,
• 1:09:45
  definitely. I'd say he's better at rushing
• 1:09:47
  the the passer than he is at like stuff in the run and they
• 1:09:51
  will use them in coverage when he's in the backer spot or or
• 1:09:53
  sometimes from the end and like a a zone blitz type situation
• 1:09:56
  where he's dropping in the flats or spying things like that.
• 1:10:00
  So he's he's pretty good at those responsibilities as well.
• 1:10:02
  All right. And again, the plethora players
• 1:10:05
  that are out, they are missing. I think Demario Douglas is like
• 1:10:07
  their best secondary guy, so many different players.
• 1:10:11
  It it's this is where usually this is really fun for Brian and
• 1:10:15
  it's usually fun for us because we're every week we get to know.
• 1:10:19
  Sean's looking at the analytics, Tally's looking at the tape,
• 1:10:21
  he's looking at stats. I'm looking at Dad.
• 1:10:22
  I'm looking where they're back. This.
• 1:10:24
  Kind of sucked because it was just like, I was more looking
• 1:10:27
  like who's left? Who's on the team still?
• 1:10:30
  We knew that Mackay hadn't transfer so we were like all
• 1:10:33
  right at least the best running back you know is is there so we
• 1:10:37
  can focus on that defense. You at least had your your
• 1:10:40
  number one tackler there, so and there does that guy.
• 1:10:44
  Right now, right now, they could be doing stuff.
• 1:10:46
  All right, well, we still got a game to play.
• 1:10:49
  It is going to be exactly 2 weeks from today.
• 1:10:54
  Tally. I'm going to let you start it
• 1:10:55
  off here. What is your key to this game?
• 1:10:59
  You just got to focus on yourself.
• 1:11:01
  You got to do what you do good. You know, you don't know quite
• 1:11:05
  what scheme they're going to come out with.
• 1:11:06
  You don't know what players they're going to come out with.
• 1:11:08
  But you know what you got. You know what players you're
• 1:11:10
  taking. You know what you can do good
• 1:11:12
  and you know what you can't do good.
• 1:11:13
  You just got to go do that. You just got to go play.
• 1:11:16
  You got to stay true to who you are.
• 1:11:18
  You know, you got to go run your offense and your defense and you
• 1:11:21
  got to go win a game. So enjoy the bowl week.
• 1:11:25
  You know, I know they probably do some gifts and they get to go
• 1:11:28
  do some different things that's tied along to that bowl, which
• 1:11:31
  is great for those kids. But we just got to go play
• 1:11:35
  Virginia Tech football and we'll be fine all.
• 1:11:38
  Right, Shawn, what about you? What does it keep to the game?
• 1:11:41
  You obviously looked over some data and things like that and
• 1:11:44
  know a little bit about some of their players.
• 1:11:46
  What's the key to you on this game?
• 1:11:49
  Well, look, I'm not going to use the data because there's just so
• 1:11:51
  many missing guys, so many unknowns, so many different
• 1:11:54
  pieces. It's just, I don't, I don't know
• 1:11:56
  if you can really, you know, get a good feel for a game like this
• 1:11:58
  looking just at numbers because of how many, you know, variables
• 1:12:01
  there are. But I think the biggest key for
• 1:12:03
  me is just show up and, you know, act like you want to be
• 1:12:06
  there. I think with ball games it's
• 1:12:08
  easy to kind of, you know, sort of look at as like a vacation.
• 1:12:11
  But I mean if they show up, it's it's and I think it's a big game
• 1:12:14
  for VTi mean you go into this season with, you know, winning
• 1:12:17
  record, potentially good momentum going to the offseason,
• 1:12:20
  first ball, first ball win, potentially for Vt in 7-7 years.
• 1:12:25
  So that's crazy to think. About military Bowl, right?
• 1:12:29
  There's a military. Bowl 20/20/16 belt ball come
• 1:12:32
  back against. Arkansas, Arkansas.
• 1:12:34
  Yeah, I thought we would. Draw Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:38
  We had one since then, yeah. So just, I mean just show up and
• 1:12:42
  and play like it's not tech. Tech's a better team, they've
• 1:12:45
  got better players. They just have to, they just
• 1:12:47
  have to act like they want it and and if they do that then
• 1:12:50
  they'll they'll win pretty easily I think.
• 1:12:52
  Ron, what about you, man? I'm going to kind of really kind
• 1:12:55
  of pivot from what Shelton was saying there.
• 1:12:57
  And the way that you show up and you you play like that is you
• 1:13:00
  don't beat yourself. I think if we limit the
• 1:13:04
  mistakes, limit the procedure penalties, limit any sort of
• 1:13:07
  turnovers, you know, limit those head scratching plays on defense
• 1:13:13
  where you give up a really big run.
• 1:13:16
  If we don't beat ourselves, we should win this game pretty
• 1:13:19
  easily. Yeah, And I'm I gotta do
• 1:13:24
  something real quick just because that is funny.
• 1:13:27
  So I. Love you, Robbie.
• 1:13:29
  I love you, Robbie. I.
• 1:13:30
  Was I? By the way?
• 1:13:31
  I was aware that Annapolis is not a vacation spot.
• 1:13:33
  It just felt good to say, I bet. Come on, this is what I want to
• 1:13:38
  say. And I've said a few times this
• 1:13:40
  year, they've got to let it hang.
• 1:13:42
  If you've got a trick play that you let what?
• 1:13:43
  Hang Curtis. Let it hang.
• 1:13:45
  Let it hang. Hang, let it all hang.
• 1:13:48
  Where you lending? Hang Curtis.
• 1:13:52
  Y'all. Know where?
• 1:13:53
  But why I say that is it's the bowl game.
• 1:13:56
  If you've got a trick play, run it.
• 1:13:58
  If you've got something you want to do a little crazy on defense,
• 1:14:00
  do it. You want to fake a punt?
• 1:14:02
  Do it. Let it hang.
• 1:14:04
  Play loose. You know what?
• 1:14:07
  It's a bowl game. It's meaningless.
• 1:14:08
  I know some people say, well, the extra, the practices are not
• 1:14:12
  the practices are not meaningless because right now it
• 1:14:16
  it, it could mean where people are going or after that bowl
• 1:14:19
  game are people out in the portal.
• 1:14:21
  So you know, we'll see. All right.
• 1:14:24
  Well, now we got to make predictions and y'all slackers
• 1:14:27
  didn't put anything in here. So I don't know what y'all's
• 1:14:29
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• 1:15:01
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  No worries. All righty.
• 1:15:08
  Well. I want to start with Shelton.
• 1:15:12
  Shelton, what is your prediction for this hockey game?
• 1:15:15
  Yeah, I'm taking Vt I don't, I don't really have a spread
• 1:15:18
  anything like that. I think they're going to win by
• 1:15:21
  by at least at least one score, probably 2.
• 1:15:24
  OK, yeah, yeah, I think it's just no contest.
• 1:15:27
  I mean, they, they've got the better team they get.
• 1:15:28
  Their guys are locked in. I think they're going to come
• 1:15:30
  out and have a good game. All right.
• 1:15:32
  Tally, what about you? I'm going to say Virginia Tech
• 1:15:36
  4814, Big B. Blowout.
• 1:15:41
  All righty, Siegler. Give me the Hokies 3814. 3814
• 1:15:49
  I'm not far behind, y'all at all.
• 1:15:51
  And again going through knowing how much they lost losing ahead
• 1:15:53
  coach and I think what but some of y'all said, I think we are
• 1:15:57
  locked in I think this team is locked in you're you're seeing
• 1:16:01
  it from the announcements of guys coming back and things like
• 1:16:04
  that they are locked in give me 4117 it's not even going to be
• 1:16:08
  that close. I think they get a couple
• 1:16:10
  garbage times when the walk ONS, like you know, #20, the white
• 1:16:16
  #27 defensive back that Tally loves so much is on the field
• 1:16:19
  leading the game. Childers.
• 1:16:22
  Children, there we go. All righty.
• 1:16:24
  Well, now we get to pick some bowl games.
• 1:16:26
  Are we picking them all? No, because I we do not feel
• 1:16:28
  like being here until 12:30. Just don't.
• 1:16:31
  It's 41 of them, 43 of them this year.
• 1:16:33
  But what we did was we went through and we looked at our
• 1:16:37
  bowls and said, you know what, that's going to be a fun game to
• 1:16:40
  watch because starting next week, let's be real y'all, Sean,
• 1:16:44
  we know you're pretty much you're off for a few weeks here.
• 1:16:47
  I'm taking on like 12 days at the end of the year.
• 1:16:50
  Brian, I know you're working sparingly.
• 1:16:52
  Tally, you ain't working after. Tomorrow I'm working from home
• 1:16:55
  the rest of the year, so yeah, I'm not going to see the office
• 1:16:58
  again until the New Year after tomorrow, so he ain't.
• 1:17:00
  Getting nothing done, Rush. He will be watching the bowl
• 1:17:02
  games. All it's like is an e-mail
• 1:17:04
  there? Good.
• 1:17:05
  So we picked some fun ones out and that's what we're going to
• 1:17:07
  be picking tonight. No spread, though.
• 1:17:10
  Why spreads too tough. Just who we think's the better
• 1:17:13
  team and where they are and we are starting.
• 1:17:16
  I don't know the order you put it in Brian, so you're going to
• 1:17:18
  have to same. Order that you had it in in the
• 1:17:20
  text so we'll we'll lead off here with the one I one of the
• 1:17:24
  ones I picked here. All right.
• 1:17:26
  This is the We got the soap Dickens versus the car wash
• 1:17:30
  Dickens. The Las Vegas Bowl.
• 1:17:35
  The Las Vegas Bowl. And you know, I'll lead here.
• 1:17:40
  I've got Utah on this one. All right.
• 1:17:43
  Utah. Northwestern.
• 1:17:44
  Am I picking this one next? Yeah.
• 1:17:46
  We're go. We're we're snaking it through
• 1:17:47
  here. We're snaking.
• 1:17:48
  This one through. All right.
• 1:17:50
  Who the hell did I say I think I got?
• 1:17:52
  I see Utah. On this one.
• 1:17:54
  You did? I did Utah Utah Northwestern
• 1:17:58
  dream season of somehow making a bowl after everything that went
• 1:18:02
  home in the offseason is done. Tally who you got.
• 1:18:05
  I'm. Going Utah.
• 1:18:08
  All right, Utah and Sheldon. Give me Utah.
• 1:18:12
  Northwestern's had a great year, but they're punching well above
• 1:18:14
  their weight class. I think you guys are going to
• 1:18:15
  shut them down. So everybody says soaking is
• 1:18:18
  better than car wash. Soaking is better than car wash.
• 1:18:24
  All. Righty Next game.
• 1:18:26
  Whose choice was this Holiday Bowl?
• 1:18:28
  Was that Mine. That was mine.
• 1:18:29
  Rolling. That was yours.
• 1:18:31
  Holiday Bowl next? USC.
• 1:18:33
  Louisville. Shelton, who you got in this
• 1:18:36
  one? I'm taking Louisville just
• 1:18:38
  because I feel like they'd be more more motivated.
• 1:18:40
  I feel like USC probably had playoff expectations, so they're
• 1:18:43
  probably less likely to to really care about this game.
• 1:18:46
  All. Right.
• 1:18:47
  Good deal. Tally.
• 1:18:48
  Tally I'm. Taking I'm taking Louisville as
• 1:18:51
  well. All righty, Brian, let you pop
• 1:18:55
  that up for Tally and this is the one I picked.
• 1:18:58
  I think regardless of this game, I know Caleb Williams is not
• 1:19:02
  playing. I think this is going to be an
• 1:19:04
  entertaining ass offensive game because you got 2 high level
• 1:19:08
  guys in Braun and Raleigh. First of all take the over.
• 1:19:12
  If anything, Louisville wins by 10, though.
• 1:19:17
  Yeah, I'm riding with Louisville too.
• 1:19:18
  I think to Shelton's point, I think the Louisville has just
• 1:19:23
  got more to play for here. I think this is kind of a
• 1:19:26
  consolation for USC here. They they had aspirations for
• 1:19:30
  more. They've got a couple guys, key
• 1:19:32
  guys that are not going to be playing in the game.
• 1:19:33
  I just think Louisville is going to have more to play for here.
• 1:19:36
  All righty. All right, next one was my
• 1:19:39
  actually second choice and this is going to be on the 28th and
• 1:19:42
  11:00 kick place. I have been before the Fenway
• 1:19:46
  Bowl, BC versus SMU, future ACC match up here, the BC Eagles
• 1:19:54
  versus SMU. Brian, who you taking in this
• 1:19:56
  one? Give me SMU here.
• 1:20:00
  I just think that top to bottom, they're probably one of the
• 1:20:03
  best, if not the best G5 programs about to be a a Power
• 1:20:08
  Five ACC program. So yeah, give me, give me SMU to
• 1:20:12
  pull this one out. All righty, How can BC even get
• 1:20:16
  up for this game? It's literally like 8 minutes
• 1:20:19
  from their campus. Like, how do you get up for
• 1:20:22
  that? Like, Sheldon, you made the
• 1:20:23
  point. It's a bowl game.
• 1:20:24
  Send us away. We're supposed to have fun for a
• 1:20:26
  few days. Give me SMU and SMU big.
• 1:20:34
  I got to go SMU, man. I just think.
• 1:20:36
  I just think SMU is the best, better team here.
• 1:20:39
  So I'm going to go with. Them all righty.
• 1:20:42
  Boston College is probably the worst ball team team to make a
• 1:20:46
  ball in the FBS this season, so I don't think it's that close.
• 1:20:48
  Personally, I'll take SMU all day.
• 1:20:50
  All righty, man, we are all talking the same language up and
• 1:20:54
  down this all right? Which one of Y'all picked this
• 1:20:57
  pinstripe bowl? I think.
• 1:21:01
  Tally had Russia tally, Tally, you got this one.
• 1:21:04
  This one's actually right after the Fenway Bowl on the 28th of
• 1:21:09
  December and Sheldon will let you leave this one.
• 1:21:13
  Rutgers or Miami? Yeah, I just took Miami off the
• 1:21:16
  hunch. I think Rutgers has a good
• 1:21:18
  defense, but don't trust her offense.
• 1:21:20
  So I'll take ACC for this one, yeah.
• 1:21:24
  You predicted, Yep, I took. I take Miami on this, kind of
• 1:21:28
  like, Shelton said. Just I don't.
• 1:21:30
  Rutgers has a pretty good defense.
• 1:21:32
  I think Miami has the athletes enough just to play in this game
• 1:21:35
  and win. All.
• 1:21:38
  Righty. I'm going against y'all on this
• 1:21:40
  and I'm going against the ACC on this.
• 1:21:43
  This game is going to be, and yes, it is close to Rutgers.
• 1:21:46
  So I'm going against my terminology on BC shit here.
• 1:21:50
  But it is going to be in New York.
• 1:21:52
  It is going to probably be yucky.
• 1:21:54
  It is probably going to be snowing.
• 1:21:56
  The Miami boys don't want nothing of a good defense and a
• 1:21:59
  hard hidden game. They will be happy to see the
• 1:22:02
  city go up to the Empire State Building and do all the touristy
• 1:22:06
  stuff, but. Then they're going to rock like
• 1:22:08
  football top of the rock top. Of The Rock First, first, first,
• 1:22:14
  different one on the board. Give me Rutgers.
• 1:22:17
  And Curtis, I'm following right there with you and it's got
• 1:22:20
  really nothing to do with those intangible things.
• 1:22:22
  It's got to do with the fact that when you look at a defense
• 1:22:28
  that plays as well that as they do and having a lot of things
• 1:22:32
  are are kind of trending well for Rutgers right now.
• 1:22:34
  They just signed up station for Schiano.
• 1:22:37
  You got Benign Guy back, so he's playing in this bowl game.
• 1:22:40
  I feel like there's just so many positives for that program.
• 1:22:43
  I think Miami is kind of trying to figure out who they are
• 1:22:46
  still, and I think it's going to be Rutgers in a very close one.
• 1:22:50
  All right. Rutgers very close.
• 1:22:52
  Are we going over or is? Just going.
• 1:22:54
  To be ugly. I think it could be ugly.
• 1:22:57
  OK. All right.
• 1:22:59
  All right. Next one we got here, going to
• 1:23:01
  be probably a pretty fun actually.
• 1:23:02
  We went back-to-back to back. We got the same day, the 28th.
• 1:23:05
  We ain't doing anything but sipping on and eating a little
• 1:23:09
  food. NC State, Kansas State at the
• 1:23:12
  Pop Tarts Bowl. This was one of Shelton's pick
• 1:23:14
  here. Shelton will get to you and why
• 1:23:16
  you'd like this match up so much.
• 1:23:18
  Brian, who you got? Doesn't this have like an edible
• 1:23:21
  mascot or some shit they? Say it does.
• 1:23:24
  They said it has an edible, yes there and and the people are
• 1:23:27
  questioning is it like like they make a giant pop tart?
• 1:23:32
  I mean, there's a. Lot of questions going on about
• 1:23:34
  this. I heard that on some podcast the
• 1:23:36
  other day about Is it a giant edible pop tart?
• 1:23:39
  You know what, I'm going NC State here.
• 1:23:41
  I feel like they've they closed the season on a very high note
• 1:23:45
  and I think they keep that train rolling into the bowl season.
• 1:23:49
  Yeah, I'm right there with you. And also kind of a it's some
• 1:23:52
  flux going on at Kansas State with Colin Klein leaving and
• 1:23:58
  taking the A&M job, A and MOC job with Elko and some other
• 1:24:05
  things going on at Kansas State as well.
• 1:24:08
  I saw some headlines, like some of the bullshit going on in
• 1:24:10
  Kansas State. So yeah, NC State, even though
• 1:24:13
  they have some bullshit going on too.
• 1:24:17
  Yeah, give me, give me, give me NC State.
• 1:24:22
  I'm going to NC State, man. I'm just, hey, I'm saying SEC.
• 1:24:26
  I'm at ACC, man. We we ride together.
• 1:24:29
  We die together, right? All righty, Sheldon, you picked
• 1:24:33
  this one. What intrigued you so much about
• 1:24:35
  it? Two really solid programs have
• 1:24:37
  done a good job at at developing players as of late.
• 1:24:40
  NC State has won ten win season in the history of their program.
• 1:24:44
  I think that's all the motivation you need.
• 1:24:45
  They got screwed out of it a couple years ago in that COVID
• 1:24:47
  canceled game against UCLA, so I think they're going to come up
• 1:24:50
  with a little bit of motivation to get that ten win season.
• 1:24:54
  All. Righty again, we are all on the
• 1:24:56
  same page here. Next we are going to
• 1:25:00
  Jacksonville and the Gator Bowl, Clemson and Kentucky.
• 1:25:05
  Tally, you pick this one, Sheldon, who you got for Tally,
• 1:25:09
  gets in why he wanted to watch this game so bad on Friday the
• 1:25:12
  29th at noon. Clemson's been playing really
• 1:25:15
  good football as of late. I think they they've started to
• 1:25:18
  really come around. So I think I'm going to take
• 1:25:20
  Clemson. I I think, I think Dabo's going
• 1:25:21
  to go into this this offseason with a little bit of momentum
• 1:25:24
  and kind of shut down those those critics early in the
• 1:25:27
  season. Yeah, I'm going to go Clemson on
• 1:25:31
  this too. I just like kind of like,
• 1:25:33
  Sheldon said. Man, I think Clemson people kind
• 1:25:37
  of wrote them off for dead. I think Clemson still has a good
• 1:25:39
  program, so I think they have enough to win this game.
• 1:25:43
  Yeah, I'm with y'all on this one too.
• 1:25:46
  Give me Clemson, even though I'm sure they have quite a few opt
• 1:25:49
  outs and everything. Just I I I want to see how
• 1:25:53
  Kentucky handles because Stoops won't supposed to be there right
• 1:25:56
  now. Stoops won't supposed to be
• 1:25:59
  there supposed to be down Texas A&M.
• 1:26:01
  Get his $20 million a year contract.
• 1:26:04
  So Gimme Clemson. Yep, I'm.
• 1:26:07
  I'm riding with the Tigers as well.
• 1:26:10
  I think it's going to be a tight one.
• 1:26:12
  But I think, as Shelton said, I feel like the Clemson team kind
• 1:26:16
  of gelled at the right time of the season.
• 1:26:18
  They're playing some pretty good football now.
• 1:26:21
  I think they still have some problems from a roster
• 1:26:25
  management perspective that they still need to address, but I
• 1:26:29
  think they've kind of weathered some of the storm of losing, you
• 1:26:33
  know, their their two coordinators and kind of having
• 1:26:36
  a down year in terms of the talent cycle.
• 1:26:38
  So give me Clemson here. All righty, Clemson there.
• 1:26:41
  All right, let's pop the nuts. Next one up, Let's go down to El
• 1:26:45
  Paso in the Sun Bowl. I know this is one of Sheldon's
• 1:26:49
  picks. We'll get to you.
• 1:26:50
  Why you like it so much, Sheldon.
• 1:26:51
  But let's roll through it, Brian.
• 1:26:53
  You got Yeah, I'm taking Notre Dame here.
• 1:26:56
  I feel like, you know, the last two remaining PAC 12 teams are
• 1:27:00
  kind of getting picked apart and left for scraps now.
• 1:27:03
  I just think Notre Dame's going to have more in the tank there.
• 1:27:07
  Yeah, with the with the departure of Jonathan Smith and
• 1:27:09
  all the turmoil and DJ you in the portal, even though
• 1:27:14
  Hartman's not going to play Notre Dame, obviously to a
• 1:27:18
  point, more talented carries the day.
• 1:27:25
  Tally Notre. Dame.
• 1:27:27
  I got to go with Notre Dame on this.
• 1:27:29
  Just two different trajectories for two different programs right
• 1:27:33
  now. Got to go with Notre Dame.
• 1:27:35
  Absolutely, Sheldon. This was one of your picks.
• 1:27:38
  That was a good top 25 match of a teams they don't really see
• 1:27:41
  play each other a lot. I think.
• 1:27:44
  I think Freeman's done a really good job at Notre Dame and I
• 1:27:48
  like the Fighting Irish in this one.
• 1:27:49
  I think even though they're both teams don't have their second
• 1:27:51
  quarterback. I just like Notre Dame's roster
• 1:27:53
  better. So give me Notre Dame all.
• 1:27:55
  Righty. Now we go.
• 1:28:00
  Let's start with some of the bigger ones here we got the
• 1:28:02
  Cotton Bowl, Mizzou, Ohio State. Brian, I know this one was
• 1:28:06
  yours, so we'll let you wrap it up at the end.
• 1:28:07
  But Sheldon, who you got here? Yeah, this one's tough because
• 1:28:11
  it's sort of like the motivation thing.
• 1:28:13
  Like is Ohio State motivated to to play this game because they
• 1:28:16
  didn't make the playoff. I think they are person.
• 1:28:18
  I think Randy's a great head coach, so they're obviously they
• 1:28:21
  This is a game where the the recruiting rankings I think will
• 1:28:23
  win outs. Tally, yeah.
• 1:28:27
  I'm going to go Ohio State on this one just because I trust
• 1:28:31
  the coach a little bit more than Mizzou's coach.
• 1:28:34
  I know that they've quarterbacks already gone from Ohio State,
• 1:28:37
  kind of like Sheldon said, though I think the recruiting
• 1:28:39
  rankings just kind of win this game for him.
• 1:28:44
  I would say that as well, but I'm not because I saw Mizzou
• 1:28:48
  hang with the recruiting rankings in Georgia, where it
• 1:28:51
  probably shouldn't have been that close, and I think losing
• 1:28:54
  Kyle McCord because effectively I don't think Harrison's
• 1:28:59
  playing. You don't have McCord.
• 1:29:00
  Yes, they have more talent, but that talent ain't played
• 1:29:03
  together all year and I don't think 14 bowl practice is
• 1:29:06
  enough. I do think this will probably be
• 1:29:08
  an entertaining game beginning Mizzou.
• 1:29:14
  All right, Curtis, you are riding solo on this one, man.
• 1:29:18
  I think Mizzou. I think Mizzou punched way above
• 1:29:22
  their weight class all year. I think this is going to be a
• 1:29:25
  fall back to earth for them, even with McCord not playing in
• 1:29:28
  this game. I just think the town's going to
• 1:29:29
  will out here. All righty.
• 1:29:32
  So look at that. There's only three differences
• 1:29:35
  on the whole board, and we started it at the top of the
• 1:29:39
  show and we're going to end it here tonight, where you start
• 1:29:41
  with the CFP, New Year's Day 5:00 kick at the Rose Bowl,
• 1:29:49
  Alabama and Michigan. First of all, the best in and
• 1:29:54
  they'll show the shot. The reason I want to tech to
• 1:29:57
  make that game one time is to get there in the stands and see
• 1:30:01
  the shot. The sun's cresting over the
• 1:30:04
  hills in the Rose Bowl. They always get that shot.
• 1:30:07
  It's twilight. It's perfect.
• 1:30:09
  And I don't know. We we we've talked about it.
• 1:30:14
  When the and. We've talked about it in the
• 1:30:16
  past, about making New Year's Day relevant again when the Rose
• 1:30:19
  Bowl and the Sugar Bowl are the playoff games.
• 1:30:22
  It makes New Year's Day feel right.
• 1:30:25
  Not a knock to the other ones when it's on, like, you know
• 1:30:28
  that Saturday or New Year's Eve. But when it's on New Year's Day
• 1:30:31
  and it's these two games, it's nostalgia.
• 1:30:34
  And it takes me back to when I was a kid.
• 1:30:35
  But now we got to pick them and I do think there's going to be
• 1:30:38
  some disagreements here. This is Ziegler.
• 1:30:40
  You shall leave, Sir. I'm going Michigan here.
• 1:30:46
  Some of this is probably the fuck Bama for making this thing.
• 1:30:50
  Mindset. That's probably playing a little
• 1:30:53
  bit. So, you know, ESPN can't admit
• 1:30:56
  their SEC bias, but I will admit my current bias against Alabama
• 1:30:59
  here. I'll take Michigan.
• 1:31:02
  I think the defense is going to be the difference.
• 1:31:05
  I think the running back is going to be the difference.
• 1:31:08
  I think that Alabama's just not going to have enough juice at
• 1:31:11
  the end. And I'm I'm kind of with you on
• 1:31:15
  that a I'm in the fuck Bama mode as well right now.
• 1:31:18
  But I'm also in that thing of Bama's offense has hit struggles
• 1:31:22
  at times this year, right? We've watched them all, like
• 1:31:25
  there's that USF game and I know that well.
• 1:31:27
  They were trying to back up and like that's USF.
• 1:31:30
  That's not a good team, that's not a good team.
• 1:31:34
  They struggle with other teams as well throughout the year.
• 1:31:37
  Defensively I think it's a low scoring game and when I say that
• 1:31:42
  2720, Michigan, we know who you picking because you can't get in
• 1:31:48
  trouble down there. Well, you know, everybody's in
• 1:31:51
  the Fuck Bummer mode, but Bummer's also in the fuck y'all
• 1:31:54
  mode, already told everybody that and they're going to go
• 1:31:59
  win. They're already talking about.
• 1:32:02
  They talked about early in the season how Jalen Millrose wasn't
• 1:32:05
  ready. He wasn't the guy that talking
• 1:32:06
  about him being a Heisman front runner next year and they're
• 1:32:10
  going to start this in the playoffs.
• 1:32:12
  They're going to go beat Michigan.
• 1:32:14
  I don't know if they win it all. I said they win it all joking
• 1:32:16
  around, but I do think Alabama's going to beat Michigan.
• 1:32:21
  All righty, Sheldon, where are you at?
• 1:32:24
  I said a few weeks ago that Michigan is the best in the
• 1:32:26
  country. Some people on this podcast
• 1:32:28
  disagreed, but I stand by that comment.
• 1:32:31
  I think. I think, I think they're going
• 1:32:33
  to run all over Bama. So give me, give me Michigan.
• 1:32:35
  Bye, Tuddy. Bye, Tuddy.
• 1:32:37
  All righty. So Tally riding solo because
• 1:32:40
  really, because he don't want to get in trouble down there.
• 1:32:42
  I don't. Want him to play he.
• 1:32:45
  Will show up at my house. They I do not want that.
• 1:32:47
  I think that all. Right.
• 1:32:49
  Let's go to the night time. New Orleans, Bourbon Street, oh
• 1:32:53
  man, Texas, Washington. I think this will be the more
• 1:32:56
  entertaining of the games you want.
• 1:32:58
  You want old school football? Go to Rose Bowl.
• 1:33:00
  This is going to be more the entertaining of the games.
• 1:33:02
  Sugar Bowl. Undefeated Washington, TX with
• 1:33:06
  one loss. Show them who you got.
• 1:33:09
  So I'm going Washington on a hunch, even though I think Texas
• 1:33:13
  has a better roster and more star power.
• 1:33:17
  I just. I don't know.
• 1:33:18
  I just. I really like Washington's
• 1:33:19
  coach, Caitlin de Boer, and I think they're going to pull out
• 1:33:22
  a close win by the hair of their chin.
• 1:33:23
  But they will get crushed in the national title game regardless.
• 1:33:29
  What about you, Chef Sally I. Kind of agree with Shelton on
• 1:33:32
  that. You know, I'm going to
• 1:33:33
  Washington every time I've picked against them this year.
• 1:33:36
  They they he'd done something crazy to win a game.
• 1:33:39
  But one of my best friends is a Texas fan and he's he's going to
• 1:33:42
  the game. So I asked him about it a little
• 1:33:44
  bit and he said their quarterbacks struggling because
• 1:33:48
  that shoulder injury has prevented him from pushing the
• 1:33:52
  ball down the field a lot. And I think they've got somebody
• 1:33:55
  else hurt. Brooks I think is is hurt as
• 1:33:57
  well or injured. So they got a couple of people
• 1:33:59
  that's banged up. You know, hopefully they can get
• 1:34:01
  back and be ready for the game. But I just took Washington
• 1:34:04
  because of the talk that me and him had.
• 1:34:07
  All righty, and I'm actually with y'all on that.
• 1:34:10
  I'm taking Washington as well. I probably watch more Washington
• 1:34:15
  games than maybe any other this year because I watched the Tack
• 1:34:18
  12. I watch the original Oregon
• 1:34:20
  game, I watch some of the Apple Cup.
• 1:34:21
  I've watched a lot of their games and the one thing they
• 1:34:24
  ain't afraid to do is they push that ball down.
• 1:34:27
  And a lot of people are saying, well, Texas's line's going to
• 1:34:29
  stop running. They ain't going to try to run
• 1:34:31
  the ball. They going to say we going to
• 1:34:33
  air it out like we've been doing all year and Pennixes can put it
• 1:34:37
  on a dime. I think they win.
• 1:34:39
  I think it's a high scoring affair.
• 1:34:42
  I don't think they get crushed the national championship game,
• 1:34:44
  but I think, you know, they compete.
• 1:34:48
  But eventually talent wins. Ryan, I'm the only one riding
• 1:34:54
  with Texas. Man welcome.
• 1:34:58
  I I think that Texas is the more well-rounded team.
• 1:35:02
  I feel like Washington is a little too one-dimensional and I
• 1:35:05
  think against this caliber opponent, it's going to be tough
• 1:35:08
  to to overcome that. I will say out of the four teams
• 1:35:12
  that's in the playoffs, I would love to see Texas win it over
• 1:35:16
  anybody else. I'm.
• 1:35:18
  I'm I'm against you on that. I'd like to see Washington win
• 1:35:20
  it. I would.
• 1:35:24
  Washington would give you hope because if Washington wins it,
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  there's hope for every There's hope for every team in the top
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  50 that you can win a national championship.
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  Curtis, I'm ABB, but I'm not making Transformers.
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  Anybody but Bama. Anybody.
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  Bama. They can already win them all,
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  right? Anything.
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  Breaking in the last. By the way, just so y'all the
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  Washington pick. Y'all know Kaylin Deborah's
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  total overall record. He's been a head coach for 16,
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  seven, 819 seasons now. Yes, I do know it actually.
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  Y'all know it. I know it now. 103 and 11.
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  That's crazy. That man wins at every level,
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  All right, Anything breaking Brian, Tadley, Shelton, anything
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  popped up on Twitter while we have sat here for an hour and 37
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  minutes. We did good to my boys.
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  Not. That I've seen, man, Not that
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  I've seen, I haven't. Seen nothing, all right.
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  So unfortunately, 10 days from now Shelton won't be able to
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  join us. But 10 days from now?
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  Oh, it's always the fun one. It's always the fun one.
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  The State of the Program episode is coming.
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  Our wonderful sponsor, Dr. Jeremy Counts will be joining
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  us. Liquor will be flowing.
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  Beer will be flowing. We will be having a good time.
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  We might. Be opening up to some some
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  outsourcing. So keep keep your DMS open.
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  There you go. You know who you are.
• 1:36:53
  And even if you don't, if you're a listener, see what pops in
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  your inbox. Might do something fun.
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  PPDMS open, we may be bringing people on.
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  We can't bring everybody on this once our software only has so
• 1:37:08
  much capacity. But the stated program will be
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  December 22nd. We are doing on Friday because I
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  ain't trying to do anything on the weekend after I've had more
• 1:37:18
  than a few cocktails. I I will preface this everyone
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  last year if you watched you saw me consume an entire bottle of
• 1:37:26
  Evan Williams white label in three hours that again I I will
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  be very intoxicated but I will not get we we won't let the the
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  gauge go past the midpoint if if if you get what I'm the.
• 1:37:40
  Gauge is doing past it is I'm going to yeah we going we're
• 1:37:44
  going to make sure you're feeling good.
• 1:37:46
  We may play a, we may play a shots game, yeah.
• 1:37:52
  Yeah, Mr. Drones, it's going to be a lot of fun probably.
• 1:37:55
  You know you always invite. We'll get you the link.
• 1:37:57
  You might be here. First, Mr. Drones, we might have
• 1:37:59
  to get you on here. Might.
• 1:38:01
  Have to, but anyways, y'all want to just say this has been a fun
• 1:38:05
  season with everybody here. We got a couple more episodes
• 1:38:08
  probably before we wrap up, but. It.
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  Has been just a fun season and we're back winning.
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  We're back on the right track. It feels good.
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  And boys, that does wrap up this episode of the Boundary Corner
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