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A Man, a Van & a Plan · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with her radio. Hey guys, welcome to the finale episode
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Speaker 1: of Paradise Recap with Me, Ashley I and Ben Higgins,
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Speaker 1: the wonderful, amazing, spectacular, unbelievable human Higgins. That's great, Thank
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Speaker 1: you for that. I know you're gonna take that opportunity
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Speaker 1: to do something ridiculous. Um, Ashley, you know this gets
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Speaker 1: me thinking here, maybe the team can work on it.
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Speaker 1: How many seasons since we started this show? Now? Have
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Speaker 1: we started and successfully completed so many? So we started
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Speaker 1: with nixt season, right? Or do we start with we
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Speaker 1: start Rachel season or next season? I think? Nick, Wait,
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Speaker 1: but we started in May, so wouldn't even Rachel's Or
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Speaker 1: do we start before Wait? Who was before Rachel? Nick? Nick? No, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: but who was the Bachelor before Joel? Jojo? We didn't
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Speaker 1: do Jojo? We did not do jo No. I was
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Speaker 1: going through stuff, weren't well. Anyways, we've we've started complete
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Speaker 1: a lot with you all listeners. Every end of season,
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Speaker 1: we do like to take a second just say thanks
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Speaker 1: for listening, thanks for hanging out with us, thanks for
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Speaker 1: tuning in. It's been a wild ride and I feel
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Speaker 1: like this Paradise, um, and I'll just be honest, this
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Speaker 1: paradise For the first time in a long time as
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Speaker 1: we enter into a season, it did not disappoint me.
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Speaker 1: And I've been disappointed by um some of the Bachelor
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Speaker 1: and bachelorrette. It's not all of them. In the last
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Speaker 1: few years, especially the Bachelor's I thought the Bachelor seasons
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Speaker 1: have like fallen way short, um than what we than
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Speaker 1: what most people expect and hope for. Um. You know,
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Speaker 1: the Tatia season, the Clayre kind of season there, that
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Speaker 1: was a great season. Um, matt season had moments and
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Speaker 1: then kind of did it It kind of just like
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Speaker 1: became repetitive after a while. But this Paradise season kept
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Speaker 1: me intrigued the whole time. I know it um juiced up.
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Speaker 1: It repped up my engine for the whole franchise. Am
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Speaker 1: I crazy to say that? Like? Am I? Am? I
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Speaker 1: just speaking at a turn there? Do you feel similar? No,
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Speaker 1: Because I always know how I feel about a season
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Speaker 1: based on how I feel when I see the screener
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Speaker 1: in our inbox and if I want to like watch
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Speaker 1: it now or I'm excited to watch it, then like
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Speaker 1: then I know it's good and if it's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that's work for me to watch it, then oh it's
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Speaker 1: not so good. You're not into it. Well, uh, let's
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Speaker 1: start with the breakdown of this week's episode, the finale
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Speaker 1: episode of Bachelor in Paradise. There's a ton to talk about,
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Speaker 1: a ton to chat through. We had three hours Ashley
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Speaker 1: of drama that everybody endured and probably semi enjoyed this week. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a little slow at first because it was a
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Speaker 1: little because you know the formula, you know, you know
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Speaker 1: that there's gonna be that rose ceremony and then like
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Speaker 1: people are going to give each other roses and then
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Speaker 1: the next morning they're not going to give they're gonna
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Speaker 1: have to break up. Yeah, So I don't know, I
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Speaker 1: don't love that part is that when we start, no,
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Speaker 1: I think we started. Where did we start? Did we start?
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Speaker 1: We started with the breakup of Noah and Abigail. We
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Speaker 1: started with the breakup of nov and Abigail. We also
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Speaker 1: saw the end of prom and we started to see
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Speaker 1: emotions kind of rise. Becca and Thomas were a little
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Speaker 1: bit of a feature at that point. Uh. Where we
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Speaker 1: I mean I kind of was thinking at that point, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is a thing that is gonna last, like this
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Speaker 1: is a serious thing. Um. But then we go into
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Speaker 1: the rose ceremony, where if we just really want to
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Speaker 1: fast forward through, there's nothing that shocking there except for
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Speaker 1: Natasha does go home after being sick, and like, I
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Speaker 1: think that's something to know. You know, her journey here
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Speaker 1: in Paradise is not, um great, but I don't think
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Speaker 1: her and Ed are meant to be together. But that's
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Speaker 1: just my sideline judgment. And she was sick, so not
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Speaker 1: shocking she goes home, but also Chelsea goes home, which
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Speaker 1: is a little bit of a twist, is it. I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I felt like I saw both of those coming.
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Speaker 1: Either of them were in a serious relationship, and those
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Speaker 1: are just stupid roses. Anyway, I don't know why they
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Speaker 1: haven't done without that rose ceremony. Why don't you know?
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Speaker 1: How Wells was like, we're gonna cancel the cocktail party.
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Speaker 1: Why don't they do that thing where like they have
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Speaker 1: serious conversations the next morning, then during that cocktail party
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Speaker 1: and just like knock Out two with one effort. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think there's a good answer for that. They had
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Speaker 1: three hours of to fill. There's there's a lot to
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Speaker 1: go on there. Well. Actually, uh, as we fast forward
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Speaker 1: through the rose ceremony, the Natasha and Chelsea does go home,
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Speaker 1: the couples um are left to start having these really
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Speaker 1: deep conversations. And I want to ask you a question here.
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Speaker 1: A somebody has been to the beach. I've never really
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Speaker 1: been to be I have so much to say about this,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know what to say. Well, and I
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Speaker 1: want you to say it all. I think, Um, I
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Speaker 1: do want you to say it all. Here's my question
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Speaker 1: for you. Okay, So you're in Paradise, You've met somebody
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Speaker 1: a couple of days before, you're hopeful of what is
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Speaker 1: to come, and you might be doubting your relationship. Okay,
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Speaker 1: this I'm speaking really here with the Ed McKinnell situation.
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Speaker 1: Um yeah, there's those are the ones that are really
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Speaker 1: highlighting me. So you have the opportunity to spend a
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Speaker 1: great night together in a hotel room, to do whatever
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Speaker 1: you want. Right. I think we assume that you know,
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Speaker 1: everybody hooks up. That's not I don't think it has
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Speaker 1: to be the case. I don't think it always is
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Speaker 1: the case. But you have a great night together to
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Speaker 1: get to know each other more. It what is the
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Speaker 1: process for somebody to like think through this, and how
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Speaker 1: are they so convinced to say no? Because I know
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Speaker 1: in my life being on the show, there is this
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Speaker 1: like almost I don't want to say addiction, but there's
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Speaker 1: this desire to just be around to the very end,
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Speaker 1: just because you want to see what happens. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: everybody there was pretty confident in their nose and it
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Speaker 1: happened every season. Why are they like, what's that? What's
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Speaker 1: that couple hours look like where you're sifting through if
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Speaker 1: you want to stay or not? I would say, look
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Speaker 1: at the trends starting I think starting at season three, um,
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Speaker 1: which I have firsthand experience with what happens during those
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Speaker 1: hours because of season three, Um, you you there, there's
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Speaker 1: the this is the pattern. This is me like not
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Speaker 1: being too revealing, but being a little revealing. The pattern is,
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Speaker 1: unless you get engaged, you tend to break up in
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Speaker 1: this moment. So I feel like there is a lot
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Speaker 1: of encouragements too. If there is any sense that, like,
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Speaker 1: this relationship isn't going to stand the test of time,
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Speaker 1: even if it would be a great dating relationship and
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Speaker 1: could continue in the real world, it is encouraged to
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Speaker 1: not continue in paradise there, so people bring out their
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Speaker 1: smallest doubts to explain why they should not be going
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Speaker 1: to the date portion of the evening, which includes the
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Speaker 1: Fantasy Suite. Oftentimes there's only a certain number of dates planned.
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Speaker 1: Uh if you catch ma drift um, because like, from
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Speaker 1: firsthand experience, I just felt like something was very off
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Speaker 1: during that season three. I was like, there's just how
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Speaker 1: could it changed? Like this happened so fast? Um, And
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Speaker 1: it doesn't. It's it's just really that I would like
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Speaker 1: it for that, um, for this portion of the series
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Speaker 1: to just be for people who plan to be engaged.
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Speaker 1: That's fair, but Ashley, let me let me poke at
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Speaker 1: this a little bit, Okay, if that's okay. So all season,
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Speaker 1: for the last how many seasons we broke down this,
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Speaker 1: we've been critical of people leading others on, and we've
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Speaker 1: been critical of people kind of wanting to be around
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Speaker 1: just to be around, And like I just said, I
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Speaker 1: can't really judge them for that because I think I
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Speaker 1: would almost be doing that. So the night before this,
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Speaker 1: not more than twelve hours you're getting a rose from
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Speaker 1: a human and you're saying yes to it, and then
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Speaker 1: twelve hours later you're ending the relationship. I don't understand
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Speaker 1: what's happening. Nothing is happening, that's the thing. The feelings
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Speaker 1: aren't changing. I feel like you're filtering a little more
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Speaker 1: than you need to. Really, you think I should just
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Speaker 1: be straight honest. Yes, we ought to know, because here's
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Speaker 1: the beauty of it. The beauty of it is we
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Speaker 1: watch this show for the drama and the love. The
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Speaker 1: love still exists. This is like a very b storyline
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Speaker 1: of the people breaking up. It doesn't even really matter.
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Speaker 1: But there's something that happens where people break up twelve
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Speaker 1: hours after accepting a I don't understand how Okay, So
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Speaker 1: basically you're pretty much told one person in the party,
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Speaker 1: the couple party, that it cannot continue on to the
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Speaker 1: night portion, no matter if you like the person or not,
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Speaker 1: you just can't. There's not an option. There's truly not
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Speaker 1: a date planned for you. It is time to go
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Speaker 1: back to the hotel. And if, in my experience, UM,
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Speaker 1: you can have a date at the hotel off camera
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Speaker 1: after after you get back, well that's fair. Okay, that's great,
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Speaker 1: that's good to know, and it's not even unfair from
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Speaker 1: the show standpoint, because I think they're almost it makes sense,
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Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't necessarily want to watch Ed
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Speaker 1: and mckinnag go on an overnight date like that doesn't
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Speaker 1: like really do a lot for me as a viewer. No,
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Speaker 1: I was just confused at what was happening. But it
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Speaker 1: makes sense where the shows like, hey, you guys have
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Speaker 1: known each other for like four days. You obviously have
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Speaker 1: your doubts. He's into this just to like stick around
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Speaker 1: here for a little bit longer, Like this is over
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Speaker 1: and if you guys want to go back to the
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Speaker 1: hotel and have a nice dinner together, great, but we're
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Speaker 1: not gonna show it. And like I'm good with that,
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Speaker 1: Like I really think that's fine. Okay, so me too,
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Speaker 1: Me too. When when you look at it that way,
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Speaker 1: what I get frustrated from watching it though, is that
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Speaker 1: like you can tell that people are breaking up because
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Speaker 1: they have to break up, not because they want to.
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Speaker 1: And then like one person in that party who was
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Speaker 1: told to like kind of do the breaking up is
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Speaker 1: hurting someone so bad and confusing that person so bad,
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Speaker 1: like we see with Becca and Thomas and in a
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Speaker 1: little bit with a little bit with Anna and James James, um,
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Speaker 1: they're just like wait, what in the world. What in
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Speaker 1: the world, And they're kind of like feeling super demoralized,
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Speaker 1: only to like get back to the hotel and be like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 1: so she does still like me. We just we just
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Speaker 1: couldn't stay. So it's just kind of fresh sharading for
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Speaker 1: the audience to not even know, like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: they actually like each other and they're they're gonna date
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Speaker 1: in real life, and they showed that this season. They
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Speaker 1: showed in the final credits and that little montage we
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Speaker 1: got it was like Abigail and Noah are seeing each
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Speaker 1: other in real life, trying to see where it goes.
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Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, why didn't she just I know it
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Speaker 1: was her drama stake, but why didn't we just say
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Speaker 1: let's date? Um, I don't think that our relationship is
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Speaker 1: appropriate here in Paradise anymore. Seeing with Thomas Rebecca at
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Speaker 1: the end, it says they're dating and in love, and
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Speaker 1: it was like, what, see, why couldn't she just say, Hey,
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Speaker 1: not appropriate for us to be here anymore because we're
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Speaker 1: not getting engaged, but let's date in real life. I
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Speaker 1: guess it's just less anti climactic. It just doesn't give
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Speaker 1: here's the real thing. If you could leave Paradise with
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Speaker 1: the quote option to just date outside, would the stakes
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Speaker 1: be high enough? Would anybody get engaged? I think that's
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Speaker 1: the thing. I think that it will choice was to yeah,
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Speaker 1: you just wouldn't. I think nobody would get engaged. Actually,
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Speaker 1: this is super, This is really great, and I actually
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Speaker 1: don't have a problem with it. Um, I shouldn't have
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Speaker 1: beaten around the bush so much when I first talked
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Speaker 1: about it. I just wasn't sure whether how careful we
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Speaker 1: were going to date. Well, No, I get it, and
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Speaker 1: I get it from the show side too, Like it does.
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Speaker 1: It has like you need people. You want to add
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Speaker 1: that element of like hey, if you're gonna be around
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Speaker 1: to the very end and we're gonna put on this
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Speaker 1: a whole date thing for you, like we want you
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Speaker 1: to get engaged, you need to be there and if not,
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Speaker 1: like you guys need to go off on your own.
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Speaker 1: I do wish we could see these stories and usually
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Speaker 1: do on after Paradise. It doesn't sound like we're gonna
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Speaker 1: have an after Paradise this year though, No, no more
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Speaker 1: after after Paradise. Yeah, so usually we get to see
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Speaker 1: those like oh hey, Abigail and Noah kind of tried
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Speaker 1: to figure it out. Thomas and Becker are still dating
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Speaker 1: and we know why now, and they tell the whole
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Speaker 1: story and makes sense. This year, it's just kind of
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Speaker 1: like like, yeah, it's like a direct ending, um, and
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Speaker 1: I was just confused by it. And I'm glad you
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Speaker 1: explain that to me. And so if you take it
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Speaker 1: away from like, hey, a show set, like if you
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Speaker 1: can just like explain it more from the show's perspective,
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Speaker 1: it's we want people to who are serious about their
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Speaker 1: relationship to be here in the end. Those who are
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Speaker 1: not and who are questioning and still trying to figure
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Speaker 1: things out. We're excited for you, were happy for you,
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Speaker 1: we want to support you, but this show no longer
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Speaker 1: is for you, and so we've got to like direct
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Speaker 1: you out of here so that we can celebrate the
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Speaker 1: love stories that are happening that are very serious. That's
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Speaker 1: kind of I bet their idea. That's great. I'm good
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Speaker 1: with it. We can move on now. Hey, And as always,
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Speaker 1: we have the Bachelor Bracket rule of the week, So
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Speaker 1: everybody listening and that are participating in our Bachelor uh
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Speaker 1: and Paradise bracket, which has been a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: I've picked my team. Every week I'm doing okay, I think. Well, anyways, hey, uh,
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Speaker 1: you get ten more points. Um, every time a contestant
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Speaker 1: says I only want to get engaged, slash do this once.
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Speaker 1: So that's the thing. So again, you're gonna get ten
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Speaker 1: more points. If any contestant says I only want to
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Speaker 1: get engage slash do this once. You hear quite often
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Speaker 1: on this show. Um, But anyways, that's the rule of
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Speaker 1: the week. Best of luck, and we will be announcing
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Speaker 1: the winner very soon. Hey, let's take a break here.
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Speaker 1: When we come back, we're going to break down, um,
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Speaker 1: all these couples that end up at the altar those
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Speaker 1: who don't. Right here on the Almost Fat Podcast, we
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Speaker 1: got some special guests on the line right now. Dean
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Speaker 1: and Kaylin, who were kind of like the unofficial hosts
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Speaker 1: of this final week of Paradise, are here to give
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Speaker 1: us a little insight as to what we did not
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Speaker 1: see on TV. Hey, Dean and Kaitlin, So, guys, tell
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Speaker 1: us how it was being there and seeing people in
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Speaker 1: that moment of like I'm about to get engaged or
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Speaker 1: I'm about to not get engaged in the nerves. Well,
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Speaker 1: we haven't actually seen the episode yet so weekend we
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Speaker 1: can't speak exactly to what they didn't been there. It's
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Speaker 1: even better for us, it's even better just tell us everything. Well,
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Speaker 1: like Caitl and hamilboos. So yeah, it was actually super
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Speaker 1: nerve wracking beings been on four shows, I've been on
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Speaker 1: two and coming to Paradise and being the unofficial host
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Speaker 1: was we were like so nervous. I was shaking a
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Speaker 1: little bit. And then we show up and Riley looked
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Speaker 1: so intimidating. He was taking it so seriously that it
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Speaker 1: made us like even more nervous. That's so funny. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so you guys got to witness Kendall walking onto the
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Speaker 1: you know, proposal pedestal. Did you have any idea what
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Speaker 1: you was there for? Um? Well, we it was. It's
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Speaker 1: actually kind of funny. When we were walking to like
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Speaker 1: out of our hotel room, like to go to the
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Speaker 1: resort that day too, you know, fulfill our hosting duties.
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Speaker 1: We um, we randomly bumped in Kendall kind of at
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Speaker 1: the hotel and so we like kind of knew something
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Speaker 1: was going to happen with her that day. Um, but
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Speaker 1: obviously we didn't know to what extent and I still
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Speaker 1: I still want to have no idea what she said
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Speaker 1: to him. Um, I think it was maybe just like
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Speaker 1: a closure thing for her and him, but um, yeah
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Speaker 1: it was. It was a shocking thing for sure to
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Speaker 1: see her walk down because like obviously we you know,
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Speaker 1: we knew Joe and Serena or dating, and um, we
16:25
Speaker 1: had a pretty good idea that Joe was gonna get
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Speaker 1: engaged to Serna Will. We were back and forth on it,
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Speaker 1: but we knew that Kendall being there just was it
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Speaker 1: was a messy thing to you know, throw into the pot.
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Speaker 1: Did you guys get to chat with the couples at
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Speaker 1: all or is it just kind of what we saw,
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Speaker 1: which was you guys conducting how everything was gonna go down,
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Speaker 1: like Okay, you're gonna do this and you're gonna do that.
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Speaker 1: Or did you like get to have some one on
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Speaker 1: one sessions and feel the love? No. I wish we
16:52
Speaker 1: kept asking if we could like talk to the couple
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Speaker 1: because I thought that would be so fun to hear
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Speaker 1: where they're at and what they're thinking. Um, but we
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Speaker 1: did get to talk to the else right before they
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Speaker 1: went down to meet Dean and Kaylin. I have a
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Speaker 1: question for you to throw you off topic here, did
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Speaker 1: you get paid host money for this show? Because I
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Speaker 1: think you deserved it? Oh? Uh, we got paid the
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Speaker 1: discount rate, I would say rate. I think Little John,
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Speaker 1: David Spade, Lance Fast definitely got paid a little bit
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Speaker 1: more than we obviously dang guys. Well all right, well
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Speaker 1: that's really the thing. I wasn't treated. I was like,
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Speaker 1: you know, you carried some weight this week. You you
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Speaker 1: talked to some people before they got engaged, You guided
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Speaker 1: people through the process. I mean, you might have had
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Speaker 1: one of the hardest jobs this whole season as everybody's
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Speaker 1: like nerves are high. I was just thinking, you know what,
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Speaker 1: I hope Dean and Kaylin really really made out on
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Speaker 1: this one. Yeah. I mean we we got paid a
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Speaker 1: little bit, which is nice to you, like put it
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Speaker 1: into our joint account. We're like, we're gonna, you know,
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Speaker 1: treat ourselves to maybe like a nice date night with
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Speaker 1: this money. But it wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't quite a
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Speaker 1: Little John that is. But it's funny. We showed up
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Speaker 1: there and they like, you know, they gave us like
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Speaker 1: a rough script on what they wanted to say, and
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Speaker 1: they're like, literally five minutes later, They're like, all right,
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Speaker 1: you guys, are you ready to go? And we're like, no,
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Speaker 1: we we have all these lines, three we have no
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Speaker 1: idea what like how do remember rememorize all this stuff?
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Speaker 1: So again, we haven't seen the show, so we don't
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Speaker 1: know how much like like clip like cut it up.
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Speaker 1: But in the moment, it was like pretty pretty scary
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Speaker 1: and rough and hard, and like I delivered my lines
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Speaker 1: really well. And then and then Caalen Kalen forgot her line.
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Speaker 1: And then and then now you are, you're a great host.
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Speaker 1: We just didn't have enough time to prepare. And then
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Speaker 1: so she thought that I thought she thought that I
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Speaker 1: forgot my line, and then so she started saying my line,
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Speaker 1: but she skips her line entirely. Um, so it was
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a mess. But I don't know
18:40
Speaker 1: how it aired. I'm sure that they made it look
18:42
Speaker 1: like it was pretty, you know, continuous and fluid, but
18:45
Speaker 1: it was a scary, scary. You guys looked great, and
18:49
Speaker 1: you looked like you did have a lot of bullet
18:52
Speaker 1: points that you had to cover, So I understand you
18:54
Speaker 1: had a hard role. Uh you. Dean said publicly that
19:00
Speaker 1: the producers trying to get you to propose while you
19:03
Speaker 1: got down there. Um, did it ever cross your mind?
19:10
Speaker 1: Calin says in the episode are you when you said,
19:13
Speaker 1: are you guys ready to get engaged? And Calin said, yes,
19:15
Speaker 1: I am ready to get engage? Hint hint, Oh I didn't.
19:18
Speaker 1: I don't realize that that guy funny. Um. Well, when
19:24
Speaker 1: they first suggested the idea, I was like, absolutely not,
19:27
Speaker 1: especially like you know, it was like the day before
19:30
Speaker 1: and it's just like the timing obviously, like it just
19:32
Speaker 1: didn't really make sense. I I honestly think that they
19:35
Speaker 1: didn't think that or they weren't sure if any couples
19:37
Speaker 1: were gonna get engaged, and so they were like, okay,
19:39
Speaker 1: well we need have something in our fact pocket just
19:41
Speaker 1: in case. Um. But as the on I like talk
19:45
Speaker 1: to Klein about it a little bit. I was like, yeah,
19:46
Speaker 1: they just they just encouraged me to propost to you. Um.
19:49
Speaker 1: And I went back to the producers and I said,
19:51
Speaker 1: if you bring it back to me and b being
19:52
Speaker 1: more in a more permanent hosting role next year, we'll
19:55
Speaker 1: we'll maybe see me getting down one knee. So I'm
19:58
Speaker 1: trying to like leverage it that a little bit. I
20:00
Speaker 1: like you, that's smart. Well, this begs the question, though, Caitlin,
20:07
Speaker 1: did you have butterflies thinking that you may be getting
20:10
Speaker 1: engaged during that episode? No? So Actually, Um, the day
20:15
Speaker 1: before the proposals, the producers we were like getting massages
20:19
Speaker 1: and like enjoying our time because it was a day off.
20:21
Speaker 1: The couples were like having their overnight fantasy days, and
20:26
Speaker 1: they pulled being away from me for like half of
20:28
Speaker 1: the day. And it gave me like this anxiety because
20:31
Speaker 1: when he broke up with me, the producers like definitely
20:34
Speaker 1: pulled him away from me, and I had that same
20:36
Speaker 1: feeling like being back on the beach. I'm like, obviously,
20:39
Speaker 1: like he's not going to do that, but it was
20:40
Speaker 1: like a weird anxiety filed thing. And then it came
20:42
Speaker 1: up to me and He's like, oh, they want me
20:43
Speaker 1: to propose, and I was like, oh, no chance of
20:46
Speaker 1: that happening. Alright, guys, Well, is there anything that you
20:50
Speaker 1: want to add about your experience down there, anything that
20:54
Speaker 1: we don't think we saw? Um? I wonder did they
20:58
Speaker 1: share us, like um commentating during the proposals at all?
21:03
Speaker 1: You guys, not so much. They did show a lot
21:06
Speaker 1: of Mari and Kenny narrating, which made me wonder why
21:10
Speaker 1: we weren't seeing anything from Riley and Marissa narrating. Oh interesting, Yeah,
21:15
Speaker 1: we were like because the way that it was all
21:18
Speaker 1: set up is that we could kind of like overlook
21:19
Speaker 1: the engagement area or the proposal area from where we
21:23
Speaker 1: you know, met with the women before they went down,
21:25
Speaker 1: and uh, we couldn't hear anything, and so we were
21:27
Speaker 1: just up there but narrating similarly, like I guess what
21:31
Speaker 1: Mary and Kenny were doing, but we saw you guys,
21:33
Speaker 1: you guys say a couple of things. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
21:36
Speaker 1: It was. It was fun. It was just one of
21:37
Speaker 1: those things where it's like we were trying to read
21:38
Speaker 1: body language and like, you know, the the girl goes
21:41
Speaker 1: first to talk and then the guy who goes second,
21:43
Speaker 1: and I can't remember who it was. I think it
21:45
Speaker 1: was Joe and Serena and Ken Caylin and I both
21:48
Speaker 1: were like, oh, Joe's body language is so bad right now,
21:50
Speaker 1: like he definitely is about to break up with her,
21:52
Speaker 1: and then he got out on one knee obviously, and
21:54
Speaker 1: and it's a good, happy ending. But it's just so
21:57
Speaker 1: funny to just like think about it because it's like
21:58
Speaker 1: obviously such an emotional moment for everyone involved. Um, two
22:01
Speaker 1: people involved, I guess, but um, you're like trying to
22:04
Speaker 1: pick up on like little physical cues and stuff. But
22:06
Speaker 1: I don't know. That makes me think I have to
22:08
Speaker 1: ask you, guys this, how much emotion got flooded back
22:13
Speaker 1: from your time in Paradise once you stepped down the stairs.
22:17
Speaker 1: I think that was the coolest part, was like getting
22:19
Speaker 1: to be back and see where we fell in love
22:22
Speaker 1: and our love story started and all that. I think
22:24
Speaker 1: that's why we said yes for sure, was we just
22:27
Speaker 1: wanted to be back on that beach because about two
22:30
Speaker 1: weeks prior before we went down to Salulta the film,
22:33
Speaker 1: we were already there for Dean's brother's wedding and so
22:36
Speaker 1: we tried to sneak down and we're like, hey, we're
22:38
Speaker 1: cast members, like we're supposed to be here, and we
22:41
Speaker 1: totally got kicked off. So that's definitely a main reason
22:44
Speaker 1: we wanted to go back was just to like reminisce
22:46
Speaker 1: and something the pool and remember the spot where we
22:50
Speaker 1: left together. It was super special. Now tell me this,
22:55
Speaker 1: did you go back? I Mean, this might be boring,
22:56
Speaker 1: but it's interesting to me as a friend. Did you
22:58
Speaker 1: go back home? In the come back down for the show. Yeah,
23:04
Speaker 1: it was well, it was weird because we had talked
23:07
Speaker 1: about maybe going down to host an episode UM, but
23:10
Speaker 1: there was a lot of like uncertainty up in the
23:12
Speaker 1: air revolving around it. So I drove my van down
23:15
Speaker 1: from Vegas to startly for like thirty hours, and then
23:20
Speaker 1: they didn't. It didn't seem like it was gonna happen,
23:23
Speaker 1: and so I just drove my van back up to
23:25
Speaker 1: America and then like three days later they're, yeah, we
23:27
Speaker 1: want you to come. You're leaving tomorrow. So it all
23:30
Speaker 1: it like logistically it was pretty inefficient, but it was
23:34
Speaker 1: also one of those things where my van, you know it,
23:37
Speaker 1: I think it was very illegally, Like I didn't get
23:39
Speaker 1: the top of permitting for it to be in Mexico,
23:41
Speaker 1: and so I was like kind of worried about it
23:42
Speaker 1: being down there for too long. Yeah, you are something else, man.
23:46
Speaker 1: You always impressed me. You and Caitlin both are are
23:49
Speaker 1: two people that continue to make life interesting. Your love
23:53
Speaker 1: inspires many thanks for joining us, Thanks for taking some
23:56
Speaker 1: time out of your busy road trip UM to to
24:00
Speaker 1: give us a call. You did great this week, both
24:02
Speaker 1: of you. You look just fantastic, and I'm so thankful
24:05
Speaker 1: um that I could watch the TV and go, hey,
24:08
Speaker 1: I know those guys, I know them, I like them.
24:11
Speaker 1: Thank for having It's always fun to talk to you,
24:13
Speaker 1: my favorite people in the whole life world. You're just
24:15
Speaker 1: the sweetest. Same to you, guys. All right, we'll see
24:19
Speaker 1: you soon, but really we'll see you soon. We're excited
24:22
Speaker 1: about it. Bye bye bye. So, of course, no surprise.
24:38
Speaker 1: The three couples that make it through these conversations are
24:43
Speaker 1: Marissa and Riley, Serena and Joe, and Marie and Kenny,
24:50
Speaker 1: and they all are headed off to dinner and fantasy suits.
24:54
Speaker 1: And I feel like they all went really well. There
24:57
Speaker 1: wasn't any that I felt like that they were off.
25:01
Speaker 1: I think they've tried to insinuate that there maybe like
25:04
Speaker 1: some doubt on Riley's end, but then like I knew
25:08
Speaker 1: that was like faked out, you know, like somebody had
25:11
Speaker 1: to scare somebody. I feel like I was very I
25:16
Speaker 1: feel very confident in these relationships. And if you had
25:19
Speaker 1: asked me a couple of weeks ago, I would say,
25:21
Speaker 1: like I only felt confident about like maybe Joe and Serena. Yeah,
25:25
Speaker 1: it's funny and I want to I want to break
25:26
Speaker 1: here actually just talk about we got some emails and
25:30
Speaker 1: messages from the listeners out there, and we appreciate all
25:32
Speaker 1: of them. I won't call you out by name, but
25:33
Speaker 1: you know who you are, and um, there's many kind
25:36
Speaker 1: of highlighting that, Yeah, you and I aren't crazy. We
25:38
Speaker 1: did see a snippet of Damar and Marissa. Yeah we're
25:41
Speaker 1: not crazy. We did see it, and they saw it,
25:44
Speaker 1: and some people sent it in and I was able
25:45
Speaker 1: to check through email and and some of our direct
25:48
Speaker 1: messages and see some of these things come in. So
25:50
Speaker 1: what happened there? I don't know. We'll have to ask
25:53
Speaker 1: it a later date. Maybe. I don't know if it's
25:55
Speaker 1: even appropriate now. I don't know if anybody would love
25:57
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, what happen did you make it
25:58
Speaker 1: out with this dude on the beach? But uh, we
26:01
Speaker 1: can ask cast members. Maybe won't. We won't ask Riley
26:05
Speaker 1: and hers, but we'll ask somebody who was there. We
26:07
Speaker 1: might stay away from that, but we weren't crazy for that.
26:10
Speaker 1: I think this. I found it. Um, Riley is good
26:15
Speaker 1: at it. I thought it was funny and like, I
26:18
Speaker 1: think it's a like. At first, I was like Oh,
26:19
Speaker 1: that's so mean, like that he would do that to her.
26:21
Speaker 1: But I think it's a part of their playful relationship,
26:23
Speaker 1: like that she like, you know, with in my relationship
26:27
Speaker 1: with Jess, Like Jess is super gullable, like insanely gullable,
26:30
Speaker 1: and so I have a great time like just throwing
26:33
Speaker 1: in something where she's like no way, like I don't
26:36
Speaker 1: believe that, and I like go with it for a bit,
26:37
Speaker 1: and then I'm kidding, Hunt, that's crazy. Why would you
26:39
Speaker 1: even ever think that that was true. It's kind of
26:42
Speaker 1: like I think what they're doing, what Riley Marissa have
26:45
Speaker 1: going on, and it's it feels like really brutally like mean,
26:49
Speaker 1: But then it's kind of funny because they always kiss
26:51
Speaker 1: and make up and she's like, oh, hey you, I
26:53
Speaker 1: love you, you know at the end. Um. But I was,
26:57
Speaker 1: you know, I was like super encouraged from these conversation
27:00
Speaker 1: Asians at dinner. I know, I know you were too.
27:02
Speaker 1: I was watching these and I don't know what these
27:04
Speaker 1: couples are out today, like if they're still together, and
27:06
Speaker 1: we'll find out very soon, probably after after this week's episode,
27:11
Speaker 1: but I really felt like, hey, there's some good stuff here,
27:14
Speaker 1: like even Kenny and Mary, like they had some really
27:17
Speaker 1: good conversation about age, about different places in life, about
27:21
Speaker 1: different things they've been through, and they work through that stuff,
27:24
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this could work, Like these all could work.
27:27
Speaker 1: Can you believe that Kenny had never said I Love
27:29
Speaker 1: you to somebody at the age of forty No? Um,
27:33
Speaker 1: But I also have a feeling Kenney's ran a pretty
27:35
Speaker 1: fast life for forty years of his life. Not only
27:38
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of time to fall in love. Well,
27:42
Speaker 1: I'm really happy for that man. No, it's really cute.
27:45
Speaker 1: It all feels pretty good. I feel like there's a
27:49
Speaker 1: bad track record though, when there's three engaged couples coming
27:53
Speaker 1: out of Paradise. So I can't help but like have
27:56
Speaker 1: that cloud in my mind when I think back on
27:59
Speaker 1: previous seasons. It's almost like every time there's three, there's
28:05
Speaker 1: usually one that survives. So not to be cynical, Well,
28:09
Speaker 1: the Serena Joe one, I would be I would actually
28:11
Speaker 1: be sad, Like I think, like, because I like Joe
28:14
Speaker 1: so much, I've never met Serena. I'd be sad if
28:16
Speaker 1: they broke up because it feels like he took a
28:19
Speaker 1: lot of time to think through this process that it
28:21
Speaker 1: felt like they were very good together. They cared about
28:24
Speaker 1: each other a lot. I think it's the one that
28:25
Speaker 1: I would be sad Riley and Marissa. I just like, like,
28:28
Speaker 1: I enjoy watching them together. I think they have a
28:31
Speaker 1: good like chemistry. I feel like, um, they both really
28:35
Speaker 1: enjoy being around each other. They are very open with
28:39
Speaker 1: each other, and um, that one, Kenny and Marie is
28:43
Speaker 1: the probably the three, the one I'm like, hey, I
28:45
Speaker 1: don't know where this goes, but I want to see
28:47
Speaker 1: it work. I won't I'm not exactly like all my
28:52
Speaker 1: chips on the table all in that they're gonna work,
28:54
Speaker 1: but I want to see it work because I think
28:57
Speaker 1: they're good together. But that's the one that I'm like, yeah,
28:59
Speaker 1: I don't really know. The other two I'm really really hoping,
29:02
Speaker 1: like and thinking will make it work. I pretty much agree.
29:08
Speaker 1: I think like the big thing left to talk about
29:12
Speaker 1: is Kendall's appearance at Joe's proposal and how he was
29:17
Speaker 1: actually truly rattled. Okay, well, I guess there's a couple
29:20
Speaker 1: of things. Let's lead up to that. Because the first
29:23
Speaker 1: engagement we have is Kenny and Marie, and it was
29:28
Speaker 1: very cute. Anything to say specifically about it. Yeah, I
29:32
Speaker 1: mean all of these engagements actually were so uniquely unique
29:35
Speaker 1: to each couple. I think the thing I want to
29:37
Speaker 1: say is like Kenny was Kenny in this engagement and
29:41
Speaker 1: he like was nervous and he he. I will say
29:45
Speaker 1: I was underwhelmed with Marie's response, Like I didn't know
29:48
Speaker 1: she was gonna say yes at first. She was like yeah,
29:50
Speaker 1: of course, like either she's super confident in their relationship
29:54
Speaker 1: or like this threw her off, or she just you know,
29:56
Speaker 1: that's how she, you know, reacts. But do you know
30:00
Speaker 1: Joe is Joe where he's like I just got on
30:03
Speaker 1: one knee and he's like, Serena, will you marry me?
30:07
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't you know, it wasn't fluffy, It wasn't like,
30:10
Speaker 1: you know, super drawn out. Um Riley you know, joked
30:13
Speaker 1: around a lot during his I would say the especially
30:16
Speaker 1: with Kenny, I was so um endeared with his nervousness
30:22
Speaker 1: because for a guy that's never told anybody he loves them,
30:25
Speaker 1: you could tell this meant so much to him, which
30:28
Speaker 1: is why I am also hoping they work, because it
30:32
Speaker 1: was like a very sweet like that of all of them,
30:34
Speaker 1: that one stood out I was like the hardest probably
30:36
Speaker 1: thing for him to do, but also the most beautiful
30:38
Speaker 1: because it was so sweet. Yeah, it was very sweet.
30:42
Speaker 1: I just I just feel bad from Marissa and and
30:47
Speaker 1: Riley and how sweaty they We gotta talk about that. Actually,
30:51
Speaker 1: I feel bad because I think it's gonna be the
30:53
Speaker 1: talk of the town tonight during the proposals. But I
30:57
Speaker 1: feel really bad because they must have had like the
31:00
Speaker 1: peak of the sun. You know, it must have been
31:03
Speaker 1: like straight up noon during their proposal, and she was
31:07
Speaker 1: drenched and like, for some reason, the camera looked even more. HD.
31:12
Speaker 1: She's gorgeous. She's never not gonna look gorgeous, but she's
31:17
Speaker 1: never gonna want to watch herself. Oh you can see
31:20
Speaker 1: like the sweat beads dripping down the sides of her face.
31:23
Speaker 1: And here's my question for you. We talked about every season,
31:26
Speaker 1: but you know we're gonna go back to like Josh Murray,
31:28
Speaker 1: who just like was soaked. And then we got Thomas.
31:31
Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed this during a Rose ceremony. Uh,
31:34
Speaker 1: Jess and I were watching it. We're like that poor
31:36
Speaker 1: Duty sitting on a couch and he can't stop from sweating.
31:40
Speaker 1: And then you have Marissa, and this is what I
31:41
Speaker 1: think happened with Marissa. Again, I have no clue, but
31:44
Speaker 1: you know when you like jump out of the shower
31:46
Speaker 1: in a hot day, you're like hot, you jump in
31:49
Speaker 1: the shower to like clean up, then you throw some
31:51
Speaker 1: clothes on, you get out, and like your body just
31:53
Speaker 1: sweats like extra bad. It kind of looked like that
31:56
Speaker 1: for her because she was beautiful, so well done up,
32:00
Speaker 1: like just glowing, but it looked like she'd probably showered
32:03
Speaker 1: like within the last you know, hour, and went outside
32:06
Speaker 1: to put makeup on and just couldn't stop sweating because
32:09
Speaker 1: that that poor girl was drenched, I know, and the
32:13
Speaker 1: back too. You could just see it was everywhere it was.
32:18
Speaker 1: It's truly that hot. I looked like that a lot um.
32:22
Speaker 1: I just think that the way that the sun was
32:26
Speaker 1: and the way the camera work was it just exacerbated it.
32:30
Speaker 1: But I also feel like, you know, when you're nervous,
32:33
Speaker 1: you may get like a little like upper lips sweat
32:36
Speaker 1: or like you got people could like their forehead sweat
32:38
Speaker 1: when they're nervous. So I think that's what made it
32:41
Speaker 1: even worse. Oh, it was brutal. I mean, it's hard
32:43
Speaker 1: to watch and like I'm not know that, And I
32:46
Speaker 1: hope people will understand that everybody would be in that
32:48
Speaker 1: situation if they're on the beach. Yeah, but it like
32:51
Speaker 1: it's like it's hard to see because you're you just
32:54
Speaker 1: know how uncomfortable they all are, and then how much
32:58
Speaker 1: you want to look good for that moment, like you
33:00
Speaker 1: that's really what it That's what I feel bad about
33:03
Speaker 1: is that, like I know she'll never be able to
33:05
Speaker 1: watch that moment back without being distracted by hair on sweat. Yeah,
33:08
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It just makes you feel for him. Oh,
33:11
Speaker 1: it's so hot the beach, that platform is probably just
33:14
Speaker 1: burning up. Um. But yes, there's a good note, Ashley. So,
33:19
Speaker 1: now Kendall speaking about sweaty moments, Joe, his heart must
33:27
Speaker 1: have just dropped to his feet when he saw Kendall
33:31
Speaker 1: walking up. I don't know. I think that like Joe
33:36
Speaker 1: knows Kendall well enough to know that she wasn't actually
33:39
Speaker 1: there to like stop an engagement. I think like he
33:43
Speaker 1: must have known in his heart that she was there
33:46
Speaker 1: to like kind of give her blessing. But you also
33:50
Speaker 1: know that he's in part of this franchise long enough
33:53
Speaker 1: to be like, are you kidding me. They're doing this
33:55
Speaker 1: to me right now? I uh yeah, I don't know
34:00
Speaker 1: if I was convinced that she wasn't trying to like
34:02
Speaker 1: step in and be like, hey, Joe, before you do this,
34:05
Speaker 1: I'm still here. But once you see it, right she
34:10
Speaker 1: she wasn't that way like I. When she walked down.
34:12
Speaker 1: That was my initial thought was Kindle, come on. And
34:16
Speaker 1: then she did it and it was sweet. It didn't
34:18
Speaker 1: and tell me if I'm crazy. It was a good gesture.
34:21
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was necessary. I don't think
34:23
Speaker 1: Joe needed it. Maybe yeah, maybe Kindle needed it just
34:27
Speaker 1: to like because she was feeling you know, bad about
34:32
Speaker 1: you know, her time there and how you know, she
34:35
Speaker 1: kind of made it difficult. I don't know. It didn't
34:38
Speaker 1: land to me though it didn't land it did end. Yeah, Okay,
34:42
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it didn't land sweet to me,
34:44
Speaker 1: and it also didn't land bad to me. It was
34:45
Speaker 1: just kind of like, this just wasn't necessary. It landed
34:49
Speaker 1: to me as if it was a reiteration of their
34:52
Speaker 1: last conversation because all she did was say I came
34:56
Speaker 1: here in hopes to get closure and go on dating
35:01
Speaker 1: other people. And it's exactly pretty much what she said
35:04
Speaker 1: to him. Um, and then she said I'm excited for you,
35:08
Speaker 1: which was nice. But I think the intention of it
35:14
Speaker 1: was not for him to change his mind, but maybe
35:20
Speaker 1: to just shake him a little bit um, to make
35:26
Speaker 1: him think about everything one last time. Maybe maybe. But
35:32
Speaker 1: was that her intention or was that the show's intention.
35:35
Speaker 1: I think it may have been the show's intention to
35:37
Speaker 1: freak him out. I don't think Kendall had any ill
35:40
Speaker 1: will in that moment. Yeah, but Kendall also agreed to
35:42
Speaker 1: go down and and and so she knew as she
35:46
Speaker 1: was walking into and I'm just thinking about my past
35:49
Speaker 1: relationships because that's the only thing we can speak to, right. Um.
35:54
Speaker 1: I you know, back in college, I had a girlfriend
35:57
Speaker 1: who I cared deeply about, who broke up with me,
36:00
Speaker 1: who you know, we started talking again, who started dating
36:03
Speaker 1: somebody else. And at some point, as hard as that
36:06
Speaker 1: is to see, you've just got to separate yourself from it,
36:10
Speaker 1: like completely. You've got to start to move on and celebrate.
36:15
Speaker 1: And maybe, and I say all this to say, maybe
36:17
Speaker 1: that was Kendall's thing, was like she felt like she
36:19
Speaker 1: just needed one last time so she could separate herself
36:23
Speaker 1: completely and show Joe, hey, this is all good. I
36:28
Speaker 1: think it was more for Kindle than it was for Joe.
36:30
Speaker 1: I don't think Joe needed it at all. I don't
36:33
Speaker 1: think necessarily he wanted it, and probably after she left
36:36
Speaker 1: thought that was sweet. I think what he what was
36:40
Speaker 1: necessary there was she Kindle needed like the last thing
36:44
Speaker 1: to be said, and that was Joe, I want you happy,
36:47
Speaker 1: move on. And so she felt a little better about
36:50
Speaker 1: herself because how she left the beach. I thought their
36:52
Speaker 1: relationship was over, but there was that tinge, that little
36:56
Speaker 1: small amount that felt like she was getting broken up
37:00
Speaker 1: with again, and that she was leaving saying Joe, I
37:03
Speaker 1: still want you back, and he's saying I don't. So
37:05
Speaker 1: maybe this was just her way to like kind of
37:07
Speaker 1: bring it full circle and say, hey, just let you
37:09
Speaker 1: know we're both on the same page. We're good to
37:11
Speaker 1: move forward. Yeah, my thoughts are all over the place.
37:13
Speaker 1: I started this conversation by saying she didn't want to
37:18
Speaker 1: she didn't want to break anything up, But then I
37:21
Speaker 1: continued to say that maybe she wanted to shake him.
37:24
Speaker 1: I don't think. I really don't know. I don't know.
37:28
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be a great I
37:30
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be received very well by the public. No,
37:34
Speaker 1: I know, and that makes you sad for Kendall hard Well.
37:38
Speaker 1: Kindle's great and everybody should know that, and I think
37:40
Speaker 1: they do. I don't think people are gonna like jump
37:43
Speaker 1: on top of her and like just yell and screaming.
37:45
Speaker 1: I hope not. That'd be crazy. I just don't think
37:47
Speaker 1: people are gonna be like that was a good move. Like,
37:49
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna be like that felt a
37:51
Speaker 1: little much. I that would be my assumption. I don't know.
37:55
Speaker 1: I just don't think people are going to be super
37:57
Speaker 1: like on board with that moment. It's also hard for
38:04
Speaker 1: me to see because I've been in the situation. It's
38:09
Speaker 1: also hard for me to see Joe in that moment,
38:12
Speaker 1: because he is preparing for what I believe, as a
38:16
Speaker 1: fewer and a fan of his, is maybe the most important,
38:19
Speaker 1: one of the most important moments of his life, where
38:21
Speaker 1: he proposes to his future wife. And I know how
38:24
Speaker 1: awkward it is to have that ruined in a lot
38:28
Speaker 1: of ways with somebody else being there. That moment is
38:31
Speaker 1: a sacred moment and with Jesse and I like it
38:36
Speaker 1: was a sacred moment for us, one that like is
38:39
Speaker 1: is beautiful. Now, I can't always say that from my experiences. Right,
38:41
Speaker 1: everybody knows what I'm talking about. But it's tough that
38:45
Speaker 1: the like that that had to happen, I guess because
38:48
Speaker 1: it didn't. And it just feels like it may be
38:51
Speaker 1: like muddied that moment just a bit where on the
38:54
Speaker 1: moment he's proposing to Serena, he also has to tell
38:58
Speaker 1: her my ex just showed up like that. It felt
39:02
Speaker 1: weird to me. Um, I was saddened my mind until
39:07
Speaker 1: you just said it. But I actually did have an
39:10
Speaker 1: act of my proposal. Good point. And uh, our relationship
39:16
Speaker 1: was so much different and casual than what Joe and
39:21
Speaker 1: Kendall had. Um, but it definitely, for a quite a
39:28
Speaker 1: while was something that I thought too much of when
39:31
Speaker 1: I thought of my engagement because it was muddied by drama. Yeah,
39:37
Speaker 1: and that's and and that's what I'm saying. I guess
39:39
Speaker 1: that's it is, Like it just was too bad that
39:41
Speaker 1: it had to happen, because that is such a special
39:43
Speaker 1: moment and it can be special and Joe and Serena
39:45
Speaker 1: had worked through a lot to me make it special.
39:47
Speaker 1: And I still think it was and as you know,
39:49
Speaker 1: as somebody's been married for years now, over time, like
39:52
Speaker 1: that proposal moment is still special to you, I'm sure,
39:56
Speaker 1: and it's something that you, you you know, smile about when
39:59
Speaker 1: you think about it. It's not so much of the
40:01
Speaker 1: oh gosh, but you know he had to be there
40:04
Speaker 1: as much as it was at the beginning. In time,
40:06
Speaker 1: it will those thoughts will fade. Yeah, And I just
40:09
Speaker 1: forgotten about it until just now. Yeah that's good. So
40:13
Speaker 1: that makes that brings hope. But I'm just gonna say
40:15
Speaker 1: that I thought it was a little bit a little
40:17
Speaker 1: bit much. Yeah, Well, the proposal was super sweet. Uh,
40:22
Speaker 1: I really, I really think that they feel so deeply
40:26
Speaker 1: for each other and it's really cute and I'm rooting
40:30
Speaker 1: for them. And it's crazy because I think, like at
40:33
Speaker 1: the beginning of all this, I was just like, I
40:35
Speaker 1: can't ever imagine Joe with anyone other than Kendall, and
40:37
Speaker 1: I'm going to be sad to see him with somebody else.
40:40
Speaker 1: But like, I think they're gonna make them so so happy,
40:44
Speaker 1: So I got a root for love. Yeah. And as
40:47
Speaker 1: we talked about age difference there with Marie and Kenny,
40:49
Speaker 1: I mean there's a big age difference with Joe and Serena. Um,
40:52
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to be a part of their you know,
40:55
Speaker 1: their issues. Like it feels like they both have like
40:57
Speaker 1: fully accepted it, encouraged it, and they're moving forward with it.
41:01
Speaker 1: Was that super pumped for them. Um, very excited. Hey, Ashley,
41:04
Speaker 1: before we break down the final pieces of this episode,
41:06
Speaker 1: let's take one break here when we come back with
41:08
Speaker 1: almost soon as podcast. All right, Ashley, as we come back,
41:21
Speaker 1: you know, we do, uh really celebrate all these couples,
41:24
Speaker 1: especially Marissa and Riley who have captured our hearts. In fact,
41:29
Speaker 1: actually I was trying to remember and you can feel
41:30
Speaker 1: me in who was Marissa. Oh it was Connor that
41:33
Speaker 1: she was with, and Riley came down. Remember doesn't that
41:36
Speaker 1: feel so long ago? It feels so long ago? And
41:38
Speaker 1: I remember we were both like, oh, that's sad that
41:40
Speaker 1: Connor you know, and Marissa are dumb because it felt
41:42
Speaker 1: like there was something good there. But this relationship from
41:46
Speaker 1: the beginning, from the moment they sat down at that
41:49
Speaker 1: date with Lance Bass, has just been something almost magical.
41:54
Speaker 1: I would say, Um, it feels like they've they've had
41:58
Speaker 1: their communication issues. It feel was like, you know, Riley
42:01
Speaker 1: doesn't exactly open up as much as Marissa would like,
42:03
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's been such a fun
42:06
Speaker 1: relationship to watch, and I'm so glad that it ended
42:10
Speaker 1: in this way because I was hoping we could see
42:13
Speaker 1: their love story kind of come to this point. Really
42:16
Speaker 1: when they first met, I thought it could happen. You
42:18
Speaker 1: thought it could happen, and it did. You know, It's
42:20
Speaker 1: so sweet. My favorite part about their relationship that was
42:23
Speaker 1: highlighted in this episode was that they had that conversation
42:27
Speaker 1: about Sunday morning, his dream about Sunday morning and how
42:32
Speaker 1: he imagined her as that wife in that image that
42:36
Speaker 1: he's had for like over a decade, and then he
42:39
Speaker 1: kind of came full circle with it. And I think
42:41
Speaker 1: it wasn't the proposal that he said, like, I'm halfway
42:44
Speaker 1: to to that Sunday morning picture being complete. It's yeah,
42:50
Speaker 1: it's just beautiful. And so their engagement or the proposal
42:53
Speaker 1: was awesome. We talked about, you know, um, how beautiful
42:57
Speaker 1: she still looked. It's it's amazing that she could still
42:59
Speaker 1: look as realty as she did. Um was sweat dripping
43:02
Speaker 1: down her face. How good their chemistry is, and super
43:06
Speaker 1: thankful for them. Well, Uh, Ashley, as we close this
43:09
Speaker 1: season of Paradise, we did get and you mentioned it
43:12
Speaker 1: some some just sneak peeks into the lives of the
43:15
Speaker 1: contestants that are no longer on the beach and did
43:18
Speaker 1: not get proposed to, it said. Uh, Noah and Abigail
43:21
Speaker 1: are talking again. Beck and Thomas started dating after the show.
43:24
Speaker 1: Brennan Piper are taking things slow. Um, but we now
43:28
Speaker 1: know that Brendan Piper have broken up. And yes, Beck
43:33
Speaker 1: and Thomas it did sit there in love, which is
43:36
Speaker 1: really awesome to see. Just wild. I did not know
43:39
Speaker 1: this until I saw that, and that it's so exciting.
43:42
Speaker 1: Have you talked Beck at all about this? I have
43:44
Speaker 1: not talked to her about Thomas at all, mostly because
43:47
Speaker 1: I don't know how to navigate this with friends on
43:48
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah yeah, when when like you don't know
43:52
Speaker 1: whether or not to talk about Yeah yeah, it's like,
43:55
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to push them into a
43:56
Speaker 1: place where they have to talk about stuff. Um and
43:59
Speaker 1: so oh, I just didn't ever bring it up as
44:02
Speaker 1: we talked through life and was to catch up as friends. Um,
44:05
Speaker 1: but I'm super happy for her and I hope that
44:07
Speaker 1: relationship is flourishing. We saw a new side of Thomas.
44:09
Speaker 1: I do think you know, as he said earlier in
44:12
Speaker 1: the season, Paradise is a place for redemption. I do
44:14
Speaker 1: think he got a lot of his redemption story and
44:17
Speaker 1: I think it was authentic. I think it was real.
44:19
Speaker 1: I hope we see that. And Becca is a friend
44:21
Speaker 1: of mine. So if not, you better believe that. If
44:23
Speaker 1: if he if he turns on this, this podcast is
44:26
Speaker 1: not going to be a friendly place to Thomas. What
44:28
Speaker 1: about his crying. We didn't talk about his crying. Did
44:31
Speaker 1: you believe it? I believed it, but like there were
44:34
Speaker 1: no water, there was no water coming from his eyes.
44:37
Speaker 1: It was it was a little bit. It was hard
44:38
Speaker 1: to see. I mean, I don't know. It was hard
44:41
Speaker 1: to watch. I don't know why. But here's the thing.
44:46
Speaker 1: Becca was there for it. So here's how I how
44:48
Speaker 1: I do now. Becca was there for it. I trust Becca. Um,
44:54
Speaker 1: and now they're back together. So she had to believe that,
44:56
Speaker 1: like that was a real Like at some point she
44:58
Speaker 1: had to see No, almost really did show a lot
45:01
Speaker 1: of emotion towards me, and that's untrusting here is like, yeah,
45:04
Speaker 1: that was weird. Um, I don't know if they were
45:06
Speaker 1: real or not. There was no tears, but there was
45:09
Speaker 1: a lot of like emotion, and she's obviously yeah, and
45:12
Speaker 1: she's obviously worked through that, and so I'm like, all right,
45:14
Speaker 1: be it for the doubt, I'll believe it. Well, yeah,
45:17
Speaker 1: Brendan and Piper, it said, are taking things slow, but
45:19
Speaker 1: we know publicly they have now split up. Natasha has
45:22
Speaker 1: a lot of followers on Instagram. That's true a moment.
45:26
Speaker 1: Kenny and Maury's love is inseparable and always eat tacos.
45:30
Speaker 1: That's just weird. Marissa and Riley have lived Riley's dream
45:34
Speaker 1: and are madly in love. And Serena and Joe are
45:36
Speaker 1: happily engaged, and she is happy to become the future
45:40
Speaker 1: grocer's wife. Was what updates we got? We got really
45:45
Speaker 1: great relationships from the show. We will follow up on
45:47
Speaker 1: all these relationships here in the next couple of weeks
45:49
Speaker 1: as they kind of we start to see what happened
45:51
Speaker 1: after Paradise. But that's what we got out the end
45:53
Speaker 1: of the episode. Uh with that, Hey, Ash, this is
45:56
Speaker 1: another season of Bachelor in Paradise, which is super cool.
46:00
Speaker 1: We're gonna be right back with bachelor headlines. But he
46:03
Speaker 1: congrats another season. Congrats to everybody who lived Happily ever
46:08
Speaker 1: after and and um, I'm gonna miss getting those screeners
46:13
Speaker 1: in my inbox. That's right. Well, hey, we don't have
46:16
Speaker 1: very long until um Michelle Young's Bachelor at season begins.
46:22
Speaker 1: Her bachelors have been announced and very soon, I think,
46:25
Speaker 1: on next next week's episode, we're gonna break them all
46:27
Speaker 1: down for you right here at the Almost Famous Podcast.
46:29
Speaker 1: So we don't have too long of a break, Um,
46:31
Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks here, but that's okay, we're
46:34
Speaker 1: gonna fill it in with some some incredible headlines and
46:38
Speaker 1: breaking down Michelle's men. So Ashley, let's come back with
46:42
Speaker 1: bachelor headlines as a few of them this week that
46:44
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about. Alright. Actually, first
46:56
Speaker 1: headline this week is a big one. Has been all
46:59
Speaker 1: over the place, big news networks, all over Yahoo, everywhere
47:04
Speaker 1: you turn on social media. The headline is this. It's
47:08
Speaker 1: according to US Weekly. It says, why is Abigail being
47:11
Speaker 1: dragged into Dale Moss and Claire Crawley split? Oh okay,
47:17
Speaker 1: so yeah, this is dramatic. Claire, when updating fans on
47:23
Speaker 1: her life and alluding to the split on Instagram last week,
47:26
Speaker 1: she tagged Abigail for a short while in the picture,
47:31
Speaker 1: which made sleuths go wild, and a gossip Instagram account
47:36
Speaker 1: called do Move Uh share a tip that Abigail had
47:43
Speaker 1: hooked up with Dale long before Paradise began, and that
47:51
Speaker 1: she said she was under the impression when they did
47:54
Speaker 1: hook up, Abigail was under the impression that he and
47:57
Speaker 1: Claire weren't serious anymore. Now there's no if. We don't
48:03
Speaker 1: really know whether or not this was whaal Claire and
48:05
Speaker 1: Dale were on that break, because we know that they
48:08
Speaker 1: did take a couple of month break. But this insider
48:12
Speaker 1: claims that Claire found out about this alleged hook up
48:15
Speaker 1: from Internet rumors that like, you know, the week of
48:19
Speaker 1: the breakup, and tagged Abigail in the photo to show
48:22
Speaker 1: everyone that she knew what happened. Abigail later untagged herself
48:27
Speaker 1: in the picture. However, a second insider close to the
48:33
Speaker 1: situation claims that Dale was never romantically involved with Abigail.
48:39
Speaker 1: They apparently met once at a flag football game in
48:42
Speaker 1: New York that a bunch of bachelor people attended. Everybody
48:46
Speaker 1: went to a bar after they did not sleep together.
48:48
Speaker 1: He has never cheated on Dale. They never even kissed
48:53
Speaker 1: and that Dale is simply just friends with Abigail. Now,
48:58
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know like how much in my
49:00
Speaker 1: own opinion to put into this. But I don't really
49:05
Speaker 1: believe that's that second quote, because there had to have
49:09
Speaker 1: been something for Claire to get this annoyed to tag Abigail.
49:15
Speaker 1: That being said, it could have simply been a kiss
49:20
Speaker 1: while they were on an official break, you know what
49:22
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, I hope you know you you. I
49:26
Speaker 1: don't even know if it's the right thing to do
49:27
Speaker 1: to tag somebody. I don't. I don't know, Like I
49:30
Speaker 1: don't know it's it's like not. I mean, I don't know.
49:33
Speaker 1: In the heat of anger, in the heat of anger,
49:36
Speaker 1: I could see where it happens. I don't think it's
49:38
Speaker 1: probably something that um was the right thing to do,
49:43
Speaker 1: because I do think it starts rumors and assumptions being
49:46
Speaker 1: spread around, which is something that we can't do here.
49:49
Speaker 1: But I just don't think, Yeah, there's something up with
49:51
Speaker 1: the tagging Abigael on that post, Like why would you
49:53
Speaker 1: do that? I mean, that's that's the question here, is
49:55
Speaker 1: what's going on. I mean, even here, Noah comes out
49:58
Speaker 1: on his Instagram in relation to this these rumors and said,
50:02
Speaker 1: there's a lot of interesting stuff swirling around. Um, it
50:05
Speaker 1: must be spooky season, he says, So like, I just
50:08
Speaker 1: feel like this could have been like it almost was
50:10
Speaker 1: like a fire starter, you know, I don't I don't know.
50:14
Speaker 1: I don't know what it meant. Nobody really does at
50:16
Speaker 1: this point and what's true. It just felt like, um,
50:20
Speaker 1: it just started a lot of people assuming things, which
50:22
Speaker 1: isn't healthy. Yeah, and sometimes you can assume even worse
50:26
Speaker 1: than what actually happened. Who knows, you know, who knows,
50:29
Speaker 1: But it's a big story. Claire and Dale split again,
50:33
Speaker 1: and it feels like they're both doing their own thing,
50:36
Speaker 1: and you know, the rumors are spreading now, people are
50:39
Speaker 1: assuming things. Uh, but that relationship is over. We'll keep
50:43
Speaker 1: up with it. I mean, I don't know how many
50:45
Speaker 1: more times to talk about it, though, you know. I mean,
50:47
Speaker 1: it's like this has already happened once. This one feels
50:50
Speaker 1: messy again. Claire came out and said she's pretty down
50:53
Speaker 1: and she's trying to stay positive in the midst of
50:55
Speaker 1: all of this. Well, I feel so bad because in
50:58
Speaker 1: the midst of this, her mom is now in hospice care.
51:01
Speaker 1: So stuff I'm really thinking about her in that situation.
51:05
Speaker 1: It's really hard. I mean, it's just it's just a
51:07
Speaker 1: hard thing to do that. So I was like, how
51:08
Speaker 1: many more times do we want to talk about this
51:10
Speaker 1: relationship in the breakup and now start to focus on like, hey,
51:13
Speaker 1: how do we come around around Claire and support her
51:16
Speaker 1: as her mom is sick and that is um a
51:19
Speaker 1: big deal and so fans maybe, um, you know, sometimes um,
51:25
Speaker 1: just coming around to somebody in their moments of pain
51:26
Speaker 1: is the best thing. So maybe we just need to
51:28
Speaker 1: come out and say, hey, Claire, I don't know what
51:30
Speaker 1: happened with you and Dale. I don't think it was
51:31
Speaker 1: probably a great thing. I don't think it probably like
51:34
Speaker 1: ended peacefully. But right now you're dealing with a lot,
51:37
Speaker 1: so let's support you. I don't know. Probably the best thing. Well,
51:41
Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise is Brendan and Piper split after Natasha
51:45
Speaker 1: Parker drama. We mentioned that a little bit ago, but
51:48
Speaker 1: that is official this according to People magazine. Yep, yep.
51:53
Speaker 1: We actually don't have a quote from either Brendan or
51:56
Speaker 1: Piper on this, but we do have a quote from
52:02
Speaker 1: Natasha who says, sometimes we get ourselves, get our heartbroken.
52:06
Speaker 1: Sometimes you cry about Sometimes we blame ourselves. Sometimes it's
52:09
Speaker 1: easier to put up walls and give up on love.
52:11
Speaker 1: But what I've learned is that one's capacity to love, trust,
52:14
Speaker 1: and show vulnerability and be good to others as a
52:17
Speaker 1: reflection of self. When you disregard, you take um, and
52:24
Speaker 1: when others disregard, you take advantage, mislead and too selfishness.
52:29
Speaker 1: That is a reflection of who they are. So, you know,
52:35
Speaker 1: Natasha is probably pretty satisfied to hear about the headline
52:39
Speaker 1: that they are They're done tough, tough stuff. Well, this
52:43
Speaker 1: is an interesting headline because we're wondering here on the podcast,
52:46
Speaker 1: a lot of you listeners are wondering as well. Will's
52:48
Speaker 1: Adams explains how producers found out about Ivan and Alexa's
52:51
Speaker 1: hotel hook up. This according to Cosmo. Yeah, okay, so
52:55
Speaker 1: this is a really interesting greed for me. He said
52:57
Speaker 1: there was a phone in the room, or producer's phone,
53:00
Speaker 1: and it was just there. It was the first thing
53:03
Speaker 1: on this you know, that's this is what I Evan said,
53:06
Speaker 1: And that was the first thing on the screen. He'd said.
53:08
Speaker 1: He didn't search for anything. It was a screenshot of
53:11
Speaker 1: the room and numbers and stuff, and now Wells is
53:14
Speaker 1: saying this, You're stuck there. You're not allowed to leave
53:19
Speaker 1: the room. They take your keys away, which is all
53:22
Speaker 1: you know, very norm and you, um, yeah, you're just
53:27
Speaker 1: stuck there. So if you ever need anything, the producer
53:29
Speaker 1: has to come and give it to you. So like,
53:33
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you want some chips or
53:35
Speaker 1: case of beer or whatever, like, they come and bring
53:37
Speaker 1: it to you. And he says, we're all friends, we're
53:39
Speaker 1: all working on the show together. Everyone knows each other.
53:43
Speaker 1: So I think what happened as a producer had everyone's
53:46
Speaker 1: room on their phone, because you have your mask on
53:50
Speaker 1: and your phone doesn't read you know, your face to
53:52
Speaker 1: your mask, it's like your face. And she had she
53:56
Speaker 1: she had turned off the face recognition because every time
54:00
Speaker 1: she didn't want to like have the do you know,
54:02
Speaker 1: like the password didn't work because your face discovered the
54:05
Speaker 1: type of thing on. Okay, so face reunition wasr nol um.
54:09
Speaker 1: And he says, so she left the phone in Ivan's room,
54:13
Speaker 1: and I think he went over and he was like, oh,
54:16
Speaker 1: here's a phone, realized um and opened it up. In
54:20
Speaker 1: the first thing was everyone's room number, and then he
54:25
Speaker 1: just bailed. So the very interesting thing is how did
54:30
Speaker 1: producers find out that Ivan went to Alexa's room? Well,
54:37
Speaker 1: a producer was next door to Alexa's room and she
54:40
Speaker 1: heard people talking late into the night, so that's one thing.
54:43
Speaker 1: And then Alexe is obviously quarantined away from everybody else,
54:46
Speaker 1: so that's another thing. She was like, who is this
54:49
Speaker 1: person talking to? What's going on? And then the real
54:52
Speaker 1: kicker here is that in the morning, she she had
54:57
Speaker 1: called to get a wake up call, like you called
55:00
Speaker 1: down to the front desk or something and said, can
55:02
Speaker 1: I get a wake up call? Four five am? And
55:07
Speaker 1: then when they found out about the scheduling of a
55:09
Speaker 1: wake up call, they're like, what is she waking up for?
55:12
Speaker 1: She's not going to set, And that apparently was what
55:18
Speaker 1: lad the producers into her room and being like, okay,
55:20
Speaker 1: so why did you get a wake up call? And
55:22
Speaker 1: apparently she broke down and spilled everything because she's just
55:26
Speaker 1: caught a lie. Holy moly, So you're telling me the
55:29
Speaker 1: producers find out what you do when you call the
55:32
Speaker 1: front desk, That's that's news to me. That Either it's
55:37
Speaker 1: like do they know what I ordered for rooms? I've
55:40
Speaker 1: always tried to like, you know, be cautious of my
55:42
Speaker 1: meal intake. But when I ordered doubled dinners, I never
55:45
Speaker 1: thought they would know. But I guess they do. Uh wow,
55:49
Speaker 1: sneaky sneaky people there. Um, And we wondered that, and
55:53
Speaker 1: so I guess, uh, you know, they probably mean unless
55:57
Speaker 1: she wasn't being smart and she called the handler and said, hey, handler,
56:02
Speaker 1: can you get can you wake me up at five am?
56:05
Speaker 1: It's a good point and not like the actual front ask,
56:07
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's wild. What a story. What's a
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Speaker 1: good headline to end on? But the best headline to
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Speaker 1: end on is this. I don't quite understand all of it,
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Speaker 1: but I think this is a new thing in this generation.
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Speaker 1: Bachelor's Ari lindyke reproposes to Lauren after two years of
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Speaker 1: being married. This is on their YouTube channel. Um, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I guess this is a thing. I mean maybe like
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Speaker 1: you and I are on the same page. I'm not
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Speaker 1: a fan of renewing vows. My mom is always using
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Speaker 1: grinded me. If you're renewing your vows, why because did
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Speaker 1: something happen? Was there a vow broken? Um? You know,
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Speaker 1: like your vows are supposed to be forever. There's no
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Speaker 1: day to renew them. But that is a totally different
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Speaker 1: thing than what happens here. Um Ari re proposed to Lauren.
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Speaker 1: I think that they're like last day in Hawaii because
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Speaker 1: they were there for like a month at their new
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Speaker 1: place and he got her a new ring it which
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Speaker 1: is stunning. Um. But it's it's been something of a
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Speaker 1: sort of trend for bachelor couples. Uh. I know Jojo
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Speaker 1: and Jordan didn't did it. I know Jojo didn't love
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Speaker 1: her ring and she loved getting a new one. Um
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Speaker 1: And for them, I mean, I guess it. It makes
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Speaker 1: sense for these bachelor couples, who I mean especially with
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Speaker 1: Lauren and Ari right because they actually got engaged in
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Speaker 1: a weird way because one he was engaged Tobecca broke
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Speaker 1: up with her and then ended up proposing to Lauren
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Speaker 1: on the reunion show. So like that's kind of a
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Speaker 1: proposal I can see redoing. Yes, I mean there's I
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Speaker 1: can't really like criticize them for this. All I'm saying
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Speaker 1: is it was. The point is it was different with
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Speaker 1: Jojo and Jordan because they weren't married yet. Like Ari
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Speaker 1: and Lauren have been married for two years and now
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Speaker 1: he's reproposing, So like, that's why I get confused if
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Speaker 1: it was a vow, no matter how you feel about it,
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Speaker 1: if you like it or not, Like I understand it right,
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Speaker 1: Like I understand the renewal vows thing. It's just a
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Speaker 1: good reminder you can maybe have a party around. It's
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Speaker 1: a celebration. What I'm not mentally understanding is you've been
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Speaker 1: married for two years, So how do you do you
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Speaker 1: propose to your wife? You propose? Like, That's where I'm
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Speaker 1: getting lost. Yeah, I mean if they liked it, and
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Speaker 1: they that's their thing, then then whoa who. I'm so
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Speaker 1: happy for them have gotten reproposed to. Very cute, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're right. It's totally different than Jojoe and Jordan, who
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Speaker 1: literally like thought of themselves as more like in a
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Speaker 1: dating relationship maybe until like that actual in real life proposal,
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Speaker 1: because so much life happened and so much relationship happened
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Speaker 1: between the bachelorette and that second proposal. But it is
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Speaker 1: kind of interesting thing to proposed to your wife. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I just don't know how that, Like, I don't know
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Speaker 1: the Semantha semantics of that, but hey, not my place.
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Speaker 1: The good news is they're still happily in love, which
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Speaker 1: is super cool, um and something to definitely celebrate and
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Speaker 1: I'm pumped for that. I just read it and I
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Speaker 1: was like, I don't get it anyways, happy for them,
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Speaker 1: they're in love. Just got a new ring, you know,
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Speaker 1: That's what it was. It was surprised you have a
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Speaker 1: new ring, very exciting and after having three children, Lord
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Speaker 1: knows she deserves it. That's right. Hey, you get it, girl.
59:36
Speaker 1: That's a push present. Well, hey, that's all the headlines
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Speaker 1: we have for you today. It's been a great season
59:41
Speaker 1: of Paradise. Will be back next week breaking down the
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Speaker 1: men coming on to Michelle's season of The Bachelorette. We're
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Speaker 1: super excited for this season, super excited to keep talking
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Speaker 1: to all of you. But that's the end of this
59:52
Speaker 1: episode and the end of this season. And with that,
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