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NOW What? A Twisted Sisterhood! | HBR Talk 358 · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 2: a twisted sisterhood. I'm your host Hanah Wallen here with
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Speaker 2: what's happening in the news with the biggest intanists, and
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Speaker 2: so the National Organization for Women apparently has a crisis.
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Speaker 2: that's basically the end of that. And as to what's happening, with.
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Speaker 2: Now we have this lovely article which this this website
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Speaker 2: is not one that I had been all that familiar with.
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Speaker 2: So when I when I saw the headline and I
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Speaker 2: went to the news article and started reading, there were
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Speaker 2: a couple of stories I looked at, and this is
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Speaker 2: one that at least does have a description. There were
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Speaker 2: some stories and they weren't about this in particular, but
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Speaker 2: a lot of them, they're about page was kind of
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Speaker 2: nondescript or blank, and this one is it puts it
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Speaker 2: right out there. So this is not the right, you know,
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Speaker 2: poking at now. This is actually the left you could
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Speaker 2: you can see in the about page they've got like
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Speaker 2: all the little hallmarks here. And I don't know this.
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Speaker 2: The nineteenth is the teenth Amendment to the Constitutions. I
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Speaker 2: kind of expected this to be more of a left
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Speaker 2: wing thing, but this is basically a feminist publication, I
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Speaker 2: think so. It says a century ago, the nineteenth Amendment
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Speaker 2: to the US Constitution made voting our country's most fundamental
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Speaker 2: mode of civic participation a right regardless of gender, which
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Speaker 2: the first sentence of it. And I take issue with
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Speaker 2: what's our most fundamental mode of civic participation? But this
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Speaker 2: watershed moment in our democracy excluded millions of women, particularly
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Speaker 2: women of color, from the ballot box for generations. Vanteenth
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Speaker 2: Amendment asked during the beginning part of the twentieth century.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know how many generations they think of past.
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Speaker 2: But in any case, reality his suffrage remains a work
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Speaker 2: in progress for many in this country, particularly people living
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Speaker 2: in the states where voter suppression exists, and tens of
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Speaker 2: thousands of transgender Americans who face who face barriers to voting. Again,
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Speaker 2: that's not necessarily very well written. Today women make up.
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Speaker 3: Is there ever being a no transgenders?
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Speaker 2: No, I think it's a voter I think they're going
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Speaker 2: after the voter ID laws because there's this myth that
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Speaker 2: if you're trains, you can't get ID with your new
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Speaker 2: name on it with the correct gender that you identify with,
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Speaker 2: and so you can't get ID that would let you
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Speaker 2: identify as yourself. Yes you can, so that that's boloney,
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Speaker 2: But in any case, you kind of get the gist.
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Speaker 2: Then they go on down here there, they touch on protests.
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Speaker 2: They women make up more than half of the American
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Speaker 2: electorate and are more engaged than ever in our politics.
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Speaker 2: Women vote at higher rates than men run for local
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Speaker 2: office seek the presidency, but are under represented in government
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Speaker 2: and in the nation's executive ranks. So CEOs they're talking
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Speaker 2: about CEOs there. Women in LGBTQ plus equals divided by zero,
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Speaker 2: sorry and don't blow up are underrepresented in politics and policy,
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Speaker 2: journalism and newspaper leadership, which influences what stories are told,
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Speaker 2: how the news is covered, and whose voices are elevated.
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Speaker 2: So that's the angle they're coming from here. Is definitely
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Speaker 2: pro feminist, pro women's voting rights, pro whatever else feminism
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Speaker 2: stands for. And they're clearly intersectional. So for if anybody's like, oh,
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Speaker 2: this website thing, I have feminists, you can't believe anything
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Speaker 2: they say about what's going on. No, this is is
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Speaker 2: it from the horse's mouth, Maybe not the horse, but
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Speaker 2: one of the horses in the stable, same stable. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: we already got repeal from mister three or three in
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Speaker 2: Rumble dot com. And it's in the last few weeks
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Speaker 2: as we've been going over the issues with women in
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Speaker 2: the military and how that has affected it, Like they
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Speaker 2: need a whole area of operations just to deal with
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Speaker 2: ideas of sexual harassment and sexual assault. Now because of this,
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Speaker 2: it's not cost effective to have women in the military.
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Speaker 2: If you go back farther on HBr Talk, we had
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Speaker 2: a pretty long discussion about how suffrage evolved the actual
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Speaker 2: franchise itself in nations governed by or guided by English
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Speaker 2: common law. If women really can't be in the military,
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Speaker 2: then there really isn't a good excuse for women to
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Speaker 2: have voting rights. So these people really wouldn't like me.
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Speaker 2: They probably call me a man. So the headline here
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Speaker 2: toxic quote end quote, toxic work environment, just in case
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Speaker 2: it's not really toxic at the largest US feminist group
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Speaker 2: prompts president to leave. And now what struck me about
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Speaker 2: this headline is they they and stated this president they
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Speaker 2: hired this president as a result of a shakeup with
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Speaker 2: the previous administration of the National Organization for Women.
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Speaker 3: Let me guess it was too racist. Yeah, yes, Actually
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Speaker 3: find out, ladies and gentlemen, it's still.
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Speaker 2: To Yeah, she had to leave because of racism at
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Speaker 2: Now that was the scandal. There were all kinds of
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Speaker 2: complaints and that all resulted in the installation of Christian F. Nunez.
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Speaker 2: Believe it's Nunez like just nunas anyway, So she details
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Speaker 2: her experience at the National Organization for Women. People were
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Speaker 2: harder on me as a black woman. She says National
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Speaker 2: Organization for Women their history, they pushed for well or
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Speaker 2: rather against equally shared parenting laws. They pushed for maintaining
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Speaker 2: the status quo over and over and over again, when
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Speaker 2: men's rights activists and other groups had been pushing for,
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Speaker 2: way back in the day, joint custody, when it was
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Speaker 2: normal for post divorce one parent would have custody and
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Speaker 2: the other parent would have visitation, and prior to no
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Speaker 2: fault de voi existing, it was usually defaulted to maternal
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Speaker 2: custody and paternal child support. If the mother didn't abandon
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Speaker 2: the marriage, if the mother did something that showed that
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Speaker 2: she might be a bad mother, like bad character, just
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Speaker 2: having a string of men visit her house might keep
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Speaker 2: her from having custody, because you know, the court system
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Speaker 2: back then recognized the fact that getting a new uncle
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Speaker 2: quote unquote uncle every week can be traumatic to a
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Speaker 2: child and cause issues with development and so on. Also
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Speaker 2: puts the child in danger because you are bringing people
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Speaker 2: through that themselves may not be of great character and
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Speaker 2: may not take the best care, may neglect a child
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Speaker 2: and so on. But in any case, when the push
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Speaker 2: came through for joint custody, the National Organization for Women
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Speaker 2: warned everybody and published manifestos and went to Congress and
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Speaker 2: testified and sent them letters and so on that basically
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Speaker 2: said that if judges had to consider father's rights and
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Speaker 2: fathers could get joint custody by default if there was
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Speaker 2: not anything proven wrong with their parenting, that there'd be
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Speaker 2: more child abuse. And that didn't happen. We didn't have
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Speaker 2: an increase in child abuse. Then there was the push
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Speaker 2: for shared parenting, which was essentially joint custody and visitation,
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Speaker 2: but with the father having more legal responsibility and more
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Speaker 2: legal rights. So you have the right to help make
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Speaker 2: medical decisions for your kid, or you have the right
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Speaker 2: to know what's going on at school, your child's school,
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Speaker 2: things like that, even if the child doesn't live with
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Speaker 2: you full time, to have parent teacher conferences and so on.
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Speaker 2: But it still was basically every other weekend and a
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Speaker 2: couple of evening visits a week, so there was still
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Speaker 2: a disproportionate amount of mommie time, not so much day time.
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Speaker 2: And now fought that and they also used that same
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Speaker 2: manifesto there will be this horrible issue if men are
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Speaker 2: going to be beating their children to death. Didn't happen.
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Speaker 2: And as men's rights activists and other groups have fought
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Speaker 2: to get equally shared parenting as the default in various
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Speaker 2: states in the United States, they've fought that with the
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Speaker 2: same claims that there would be this massive uptick in
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Speaker 2: child abuse because men would they only want custody of
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Speaker 2: their kids so they don't have to pay child support,
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Speaker 2: and that they they're gonna beat their kids, they're gonna
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Speaker 2: neglect their kids, they're gonna leave their kids with a babysitter,
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Speaker 2: which the custodial mothers did all the time. In fact,
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Speaker 2: fathers had to pay for daycare but couldn't have extra
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Speaker 2: daddy time when the mom wanted to use daycare. Judges
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Speaker 2: wouldn't say to mother as well, if you need daycare,
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Speaker 2: leave the kid with dad. They would say, well, dad,
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Speaker 2: you got to pay for daycare, which seems kind of
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Speaker 2: dumb to me, but in any case, that's been the pattern.
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Speaker 2: That's how now approaches all their issues. They've been that
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Speaker 2: way regard to abortion, they panic monger instead of talking
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Speaker 2: about medical information and facts. They've been that way with
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Speaker 2: regard to marriage. They treat marriage like it's a prison
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Speaker 2: for women and you shouldn't get involved in it. So
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Speaker 2: that's the angle that we're looking at. The environment that
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Speaker 2: is being described as racist and toxic starts from a
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Speaker 2: position of that environment does all of its advocacy based
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Speaker 2: on lies.
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Speaker 3: It's about time that now eat itself. Like everything is
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Speaker 3: set up for these people to eat each other. But
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Speaker 3: it's been a hell of a long time and they've
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Speaker 3: continued just to eat men instead. They've run out of
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Speaker 3: men and now they're running on fumes, toxic fumes apparently,
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Speaker 3: but they're not toxic masculine fumes.
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Speaker 2: So what you're saying is that there are gaseous clouds
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Speaker 2: around her ainus. Yes, okay. So the president of the
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Speaker 2: National Organization for Women has announced that she will not
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Speaker 2: seek reelection after five years of leading the country's largest
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Speaker 2: and oldest feminist organization.
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Speaker 3: That's also debatable, since I mean sixty six Women's Institute
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Speaker 3: has been around since eighteen ninety seven, formed in Canada,
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Speaker 3: if you could believe it. So, I guess they didn't
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Speaker 3: call themselves feminists at the time, but they latently are.
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Speaker 3: And whoever was the charge of Seneca Falls. Maybe wasn't
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Speaker 3: an organization, but it was definitely Feminists nineteen sixty six
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Speaker 3: cannot possibly be the oldest feminist organization, but possibly the largest,
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Speaker 3: and maybe that's what they mean. Whatever.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're definitely not not the oldest organization in
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Speaker 2: the United States that behaved like a bunch of feminists,
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Speaker 2: but they are probably the oldest that label themselves feminists
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Speaker 2: and are still in operation, and they are intrinsically connected
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Speaker 2: within the US government, so there is that issue as well.
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Speaker 2: They do, they get consulted on a lot of things.
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Speaker 2: They were involved in the creation, for instance, of the
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Speaker 2: Violence Against Women Act, which updated again with the scare quotes,
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Speaker 2: because it really kind of replaced in a way, the
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Speaker 2: Family Violence Prevention and Services Act that was ten years
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Speaker 2: old at the time, and the original Act did everything
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Speaker 2: that feminists said we needed the Violence Against Women Act
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Speaker 2: in order to achieve. The one thing that it didn't
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Speaker 2: do was gender everything to exclude men from any kind
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Speaker 2: of protection under intimate partner and sexual violence law or
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Speaker 2: exempt women from any kind of accountability under that law.
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Speaker 2: And the original Violence of Women Act, Violence Against Women Act,
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Speaker 2: that's a radian slip because I do consider things like
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Speaker 2: false allegations to be violence. That's an act of violence.
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Speaker 2: Getting somebody kidnapped, thrown into a cage and hauled out
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Speaker 2: and psychologically tortured and then thrown back into the cage repeatedly,
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Speaker 2: that's violent.
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Speaker 3: No your words speaking out yep, totally, and so is
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Speaker 3: silence yep.
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Speaker 2: And also also I have to be a man again
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Speaker 2: for a little while, because I'm sure somebody has has
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Speaker 2: done the thing you're man. But in any case, they
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Speaker 2: replaced it with language in Vawa that pretty much made
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Speaker 2: it clear that the federal government considered this only a
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Speaker 2: crime when men did it and and women were the
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Speaker 2: victims of it. That it wasn't considered a crime when
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Speaker 2: women did it or men were the victims. So it
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Speaker 2: made it very difficult then if ben called for help anywhere,
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Speaker 2: whether it was police, whether it was victims shelters, whether
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Speaker 2: it was like going to their psychiatrists or psychologists, to
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Speaker 2: their minister, any kind of setup to help victims of
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Speaker 2: domestic violence or rape victims, they pretty much had nowhere
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Speaker 2: to turn. And if it was domestic violence, it was
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Speaker 2: really dangerous to call the police. If you called the police,
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Speaker 2: you were more likely to get arrested than your perpetrated
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Speaker 2: to get arrested, and you're more likely there's actually research
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Speaker 2: that shows us and I can't remember I just cited
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Speaker 2: this too in a conversation, but you're more likely even
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Speaker 2: when it's proved that you didn't defend yourself or anything,
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Speaker 2: to be prosecuted, where even if your perpetrator is arrested,
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Speaker 2: she's more likely to have her charges dropped. And so
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Speaker 2: for men, like seventeen percent of arrests shown in this
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Speaker 2: research actually got prosecuted were perpetrators that actually got prosecuted,
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Speaker 2: and the rest either the perpetrator had her her charges
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Speaker 2: dropped or the victim was arrested and possibly prosecuted. So
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Speaker 2: you had like something like a one in five to
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Speaker 2: one in six chance of actually or or the other
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Speaker 2: way to put it, four or five out of sex
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Speaker 2: to be to have no good results from calling the
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Speaker 2: cops if you because of the violence against what because
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Speaker 2: of the stipulations that gendered the crime, in the state's
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Speaker 2: response to the crime, and all of the funding was
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Speaker 2: gendered as well. So if you wanted to start like
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Speaker 2: a men's shelter, and you wanted to start a system
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Speaker 2: for men to be able to just expect themselves from
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Speaker 2: an abusive relationship that wasn't gonna happen. Because you were
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Speaker 2: promoting helping men and you were not specializing in helping women,
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Speaker 2: you would be turned down for your five oh one
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Speaker 2: C three application and you would not get any funding.
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Speaker 2: And of course if you try to do it independently,
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Speaker 2: you're relying on people's donations. That's more unstable. And it
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Speaker 2: also led to in Florida at least there was there
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Speaker 2: was harassment of the organization by other organizations and by
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Speaker 2: the state. So you get this sort of double whammy
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Speaker 2: of not only does the state ref refuse to help
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Speaker 2: men and punish men for seeking help, but the state
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Speaker 2: also refuses to just allow the neighbors, like you're anybody
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Speaker 2: in the country, the citizen to help men either. And
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Speaker 2: that's all a result of NOW and other organizations that
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Speaker 2: specialize in women. And when I say in women, I
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Speaker 2: mean in using women as a social battering ram to
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Speaker 2: get funding for their So I'm not surprised about this
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Speaker 2: in all his toxicity. So Now's next president will be
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Speaker 2: elected during the group's national conference upcoming in July. Here
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Speaker 2: that's funny they do it during Patriot month. Christian F.
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Speaker 2: Nuna is the current leader. Is the second black woman
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Speaker 2: to serve as a national president since Now's funding in
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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six, so the rest have all been white.
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Speaker 2: Judes initially cited a desire to focus on her family,
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Speaker 2: particularly her young son, as the reason for her departure.
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Speaker 2: In an exclusive interview with The Nineteenth, However, Nuna's alleged
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Speaker 2: that the toxic work environment at NOW was another key
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Speaker 2: factor in her decision to exit. So I kind of wonder,
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Speaker 2: is she talking about the toxic environment because she got
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Speaker 2: shipped for saying she was going to focus on her son?
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Speaker 2: Or was she saying she was going to focus on
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Speaker 2: her son because she would get get shipped for talking
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Speaker 2: about the toxic environment?
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Speaker 3: Guessing the gift her ship because she called him her son?
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Speaker 3: How dare you assume is Jim well to the sixteenth?
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Speaker 3: Does it still it still doesn't know? You can still
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Speaker 3: cut his dick off? How very dare you? How dare
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Speaker 3: you call the one year old boy a boy you
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Speaker 3: can still cut I'll stop going going down that road.
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Speaker 2: To mention the issue of throwing over all of the
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Speaker 2: women in the United States, because NOW claims to represent
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Speaker 2: all of the women in the United States, even though
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Speaker 2: some of us absolutely hate the organization for a boy,
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Speaker 2: even if it's her son. So let's see, she says,
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Speaker 2: I think people were harder on me as a black woman. Notice,
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Speaker 2: by the way, we have the capital black, right. I
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Speaker 2: don't know if they actually have the word white in
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Speaker 2: the article, so we'll see if they do.
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Speaker 3: There's a thing, and there's the telltale prefix as a yeah,
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Speaker 3: as anyone starts a fucking clause with as a my
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Speaker 3: fucking brain switches off. Yeah, you're doing the thing, you know,
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Speaker 3: you know the thing?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I coined a I coined a word this
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Speaker 2: week to describe feminists, you know, calling people men as
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Speaker 2: their whole argument in response to things people say that
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Speaker 2: feminists don't like your man, and and that's the the
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Speaker 2: word is your man. I got your man. So if
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Speaker 2: you you know, you say, hey, you know, we should
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Speaker 2: be focusing a little more about workplace safety. But I
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Speaker 2: think we should focus on areas where jobs are more dangerous,
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Speaker 2: even if those are primarily male dominated and and and
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Speaker 2: it's not going to benefit women. And somebody comes back
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Speaker 2: with your man, Well, you've just been your amend, so
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Speaker 2: maybe we can we can coin the as a cult.
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Speaker 3: She's not just a black woman, She's an assa black woman.
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Speaker 2: Yep, it's part of the ass A cult. I am
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Speaker 2: speaking for the entire population of people that have this
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Speaker 2: thing in common with me. I'm part of the ass
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Speaker 2: A cult. So as a black women, they were harder
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Speaker 2: on her Nunas told the Nineteenth this month, which is possible,
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Speaker 2: but it's also possible that she is feeling targeted, and
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Speaker 2: it just kind of depends. We don't necessarily get all
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Speaker 2: the information from one news article, and I don't know
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Speaker 2: if there'll be more news articles on this. There were
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Speaker 2: news articles on the initial scandal about toxic racist environment
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Speaker 2: at the National Organization for Women five years ago, and
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Speaker 2: we covered at least one. I don't remember whether we
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Speaker 2: did it in a main show or patron only after show,
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Speaker 2: but we did. We did talk about it at the
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Speaker 2: time that it happened, because I remember looking up stories
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Speaker 2: for that, because it being such a powerful organization and
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Speaker 2: such a a leadership among women, a bastion of leadership
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Speaker 2: among women, that women look to the National Organization for
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Speaker 2: Women to decide how they're going to vote and what
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Speaker 2: they think about particular issues and just about everything from
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Speaker 2: who they vote for for president to when they should
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Speaker 2: take a shit, like they're that powerful among women who
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Speaker 2: identify as feminists. But then again, they're also there are
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Speaker 2: also feminists that don't like them there, but that's a
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Speaker 2: whole other episode.
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Speaker 3: I would I would think they're not allowed to be
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Speaker 3: harder on her as an ass a black woman. There's
21:35
Speaker 3: such a thing as a turf, but there's no such
21:37
Speaker 3: thing as a birth. That's that's been outlawed in feminism
21:40
Speaker 3: for a long time since, I mean one hundred years ago, sure,
21:44
Speaker 3: when they had that thing that intersectionalists feminists call white feminists,
21:48
Speaker 3: the ones that wanted black women to abort their children
21:50
Speaker 3: and fought tooth and nail, yeah, women to abort their children.
21:53
Speaker 3: And they're, you know, still doing well on that front. Again,
21:57
Speaker 3: maybe that's what they were on about.
22:00
Speaker 2: The ones that apposed, the ones who opposed the fifteenth
22:06
Speaker 2: Amendment being passed before the nineteenth Amendment. And there's there's
22:09
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about how, you know, well, it
22:11
Speaker 2: was because the fifteenth the men would give a whole
22:13
Speaker 2: bunch more men the right to vote when women didn't
22:16
Speaker 2: have the right yet. But I think the reality was
22:19
Speaker 2: many of the white women who fought for voting rights,
22:22
Speaker 2: when if they'd have gotten the nineteenth Amendment past, if
22:25
Speaker 2: it had been the fifteenth Amendment, you know, and things
22:28
Speaker 2: were the other way around, and the fight for the
22:30
Speaker 2: nineteenth was the fight for black voting rights, not one
22:33
Speaker 2: of those women would have stood up for it. In fact,
22:35
Speaker 2: they probably would have continued to oppose it. I really
22:37
Speaker 2: believe that, especially with what some of the quotes that
22:40
Speaker 2: have come out from some of the most prominent suffragettes
22:43
Speaker 2: in American history said about black men, I think they
22:47
Speaker 2: would have just flat out said, yeah, only only upper
22:51
Speaker 2: class white people should be voting, because they wanted they
22:54
Speaker 2: still wanted stipulations that, you know, you had to be
22:57
Speaker 2: a property owner and stuff like that. The same thing
22:59
Speaker 2: was happening in the UK, only it was more in
23:02
Speaker 2: regard to povertysus versus being a high tax paying property owner.
23:09
Speaker 2: And the suffragettes in the UK, not the suffragists who
23:13
Speaker 2: were working on a universal vote, but the suffragettes who
23:16
Speaker 2: were just focused on women's voting rights. They manipulated the
23:21
Speaker 2: lower classes and said a lot of things about voting
23:24
Speaker 2: rights and sisterhood and stuff like that, but what they
23:26
Speaker 2: were pushing for was voting rights with caveat that you
23:30
Speaker 2: had to have that qualification, that economic qualification. So the
23:35
Speaker 2: poorer classes still would not have gotten voting rights under
23:39
Speaker 2: the policies that the Suffragettes wanted. And they didn't get
23:43
Speaker 2: what they wanted, but they still tried to take ownership
23:46
Speaker 2: of what did happen, even though it really wasn't influenced
23:50
Speaker 2: by the Suffragettes. It was influenced by other factors. So
23:54
Speaker 2: she goes on, when I came in, it was in
23:57
Speaker 2: the middle of COVID. I came in during a period
23:59
Speaker 2: of crisis for the organization. But it was no grace,
24:02
Speaker 2: There was no sympathy for the things I was handling.
24:05
Speaker 2: I was just thrown into it, so I had to
24:07
Speaker 2: just swim or sink. So, just to just to give
24:10
Speaker 2: you an idea, quite frequently in the business world, this
24:14
Speaker 2: is a this is kind of a business, but it's
24:17
Speaker 2: I think now is nonprofit, but it's it's still basically
24:21
Speaker 2: run like a business. So the president is similar to
24:24
Speaker 2: being like a CEO. But when you have a company
24:28
Speaker 2: like Walmart or Marathon Oil or any big company that
24:33
Speaker 2: that a huge amount of funds that they're dealing with
24:36
Speaker 2: a huge amount of business that they're dealing with and
24:39
Speaker 2: a huge responsibility to their constituents, their their stockholders and
24:45
Speaker 2: their consumers and so on. And you have a crisis
24:47
Speaker 2: that takes place in the company and they have sort
24:50
Speaker 2: of a ceo coup where they get rid of the
24:54
Speaker 2: existing CEO and they bring in a new CEO. Men
24:57
Speaker 2: don't usually make this kind of complaint. This is done
25:00
Speaker 2: to them all the time, like, all right, the entire
25:03
Speaker 2: ship is on fire, there's a big hole in the hole,
25:05
Speaker 2: we are actively taking on water, and there's an iceberg
25:09
Speaker 2: from hell heading our way. Fix it now, and that's it.
25:12
Speaker 2: That's what they get. And they better have ideas. They
25:15
Speaker 2: better hit the ground running, because otherwise everything that was
25:19
Speaker 2: going on before they joined the organization, before they took
25:22
Speaker 2: the helm, it's it's all going to get blamed on
25:25
Speaker 2: them that it wasn't fixed. And so you have an
25:28
Speaker 2: example of a woman not handling that well very well,
25:32
Speaker 2: would be the female CEO of Reddit. I believe this.
25:35
Speaker 2: The female CEO of YouTube had similar issues. Hopefully, we
25:38
Speaker 2: don't care a channel band for saying that, because women
25:41
Speaker 2: are vindictive.
25:42
Speaker 3: Count said last year, Yeah, I think so, famously, But
25:50
Speaker 3: but we do have.
25:52
Speaker 2: Like examples where women have not hit the ground running
25:56
Speaker 2: and then turned around and cried miss sexisms. This this,
26:00
Speaker 2: this woman did not hit the ground running, And now's problems, honestly,
26:04
Speaker 2: in comparison, don't seem to have been that big. They had,
26:08
Speaker 2: they had apparently they had maracisms before she came in,
26:12
Speaker 2: and she could not fix them. So we have these
26:14
Speaker 2: We still have the isms and the phobias. Guys, we
26:17
Speaker 2: just don't know what to do about that. And in
26:19
Speaker 2: the biggest organization in the United States for women, for
26:23
Speaker 2: feminist women, that is, we have we have racisms.
26:26
Speaker 3: So yeah, and if you brought in as as a boss,
26:29
Speaker 3: like a CEO whatever, you generally are supposed to sink
26:32
Speaker 3: or swim. Yeah, you can't just sit there in the
26:35
Speaker 3: middle of the road going I'm just going to do nothing.
26:37
Speaker 3: Wait what I'm saying. That's exactly what especially in lazy
26:41
Speaker 3: ass institutions like any feminist thing.
26:44
Speaker 2: Yep. Well, you know this stuff is supposed to work automatically, right,
26:47
Speaker 2: you show the tears and then the men in power
26:50
Speaker 2: give you the things. They give you the gibbs, and
26:53
Speaker 2: like that's always worked for now and a lot of
26:55
Speaker 2: other feminist organizations as well, but apparently it's not working now,
26:58
Speaker 2: so the ladies are hostmad. That period of crisis nun
27:02
Speaker 2: is referred to referenced was an internal scandal first reported
27:07
Speaker 2: by The Daily Beast, also another lefty left news organization,
27:10
Speaker 2: Very Very Commi in twenty twenty. At the time, nearly
27:14
Speaker 2: a dozen individuals reported women of color being heckled, silenced,
27:18
Speaker 2: or openly disparaged at now meetings and offices. According to
27:22
Speaker 2: The Daily Beast, I.
27:23
Speaker 3: Have a doubt, like I said, all feminist institutions at
27:28
Speaker 3: this point are intersectional. They've all moved into the next
27:31
Speaker 3: phase in which white people are the worst and the
27:36
Speaker 3: less white you are the better, not including Asians. That's
27:42
Speaker 3: this anomaly that we don't talk about, so, you know,
27:46
Speaker 3: but they are encouraged to ramp up the victim mentality
27:49
Speaker 3: if and when they happen to be women of color.
27:52
Speaker 3: So I suspect that this is what's happening. There really
27:55
Speaker 3: wasn't much in the way of racism, but a feminist
27:58
Speaker 3: who's been trained in intersectional feminists and saw her opportunity
28:02
Speaker 3: to play the victim for being non white.
28:04
Speaker 2: Now when your whole organization, when your whole organization specials
28:08
Speaker 2: and UH specializes in victim signaling for bucks, then I
28:13
Speaker 2: guess you get good at victim signaling. The one bit
28:18
Speaker 2: of information that comes across to support the idea that
28:22
Speaker 2: there was at least a conflict with allegations of racisms
28:26
Speaker 2: flying around is this employees signed on to an internal
28:31
Speaker 2: letter accusing the organization's president at the time, Tony Van Pelt,
28:35
Speaker 2: of disparaging and sidelining women of color. So there was
28:39
Speaker 2: definitely at least some you know, in internal conflict over this,
28:46
Speaker 2: and there were at least selling women leveling the allegations.
28:50
Speaker 3: There was certainly some bitching, some relational aggression. I mean,
28:54
Speaker 3: the more women you stuff into a room together, the
28:56
Speaker 3: more likely you are to get that. Yeah, as well,
29:00
Speaker 3: they can't help well, not all hashtag not all, but yeah,
29:05
Speaker 3: feminist women in particular, especially when they're put in charge
29:08
Speaker 3: of something that's supposed to be feminist. Of course they're
29:11
Speaker 3: going to do what spoiled female teenagers do all day
29:16
Speaker 3: and night as a matter of course. So yeah, that
29:19
Speaker 3: I'm certain that that goes on, and you know, probably
29:22
Speaker 3: because their ideology instructs them to be intersectionalist, i e.
29:27
Speaker 3: Non white is better than white. There's a certain resentment
29:30
Speaker 3: that boils up around the water cooler. Yeah, I don't know,
29:34
Speaker 3: it's complicated. I'm just spitball and trying to understand women here,
29:37
Speaker 3: and it's a fool's folly, as you well know.
29:40
Speaker 2: Well to paraphrase, the bickering will continue. There's nothing else.
29:45
Speaker 2: That's the whole statement. The bickering will continue. That's women
29:48
Speaker 2: in a nutshell we do. That's all we do. Like
29:51
Speaker 2: everything else is just the icing on the completely stale
29:56
Speaker 2: and rotted cake of what women have become in the
29:58
Speaker 2: modern world right now. And it's beyond upsetting to see
30:03
Speaker 2: what women have turned into because historically we have had
30:07
Speaker 2: capability of being the other half of the team that
30:13
Speaker 2: created the best ways of life that we had in
30:16
Speaker 2: the world. And you had the men's team that was
30:19
Speaker 2: doing the heavy labor, the heavy lifting, the dirty jobs,
30:23
Speaker 2: the disgusting and degrading work, especially like sewer workers and
30:27
Speaker 2: the trash disposal system and all those things that we
30:31
Speaker 2: don't have to think about that stuff, right, and you
30:33
Speaker 2: had the women's side that was largely the support team
30:37
Speaker 2: almost you know, like you can't you can't run your race,
30:41
Speaker 2: You can't run your race in a race car, if
30:43
Speaker 2: you don't have your mechanics ready to fix every little
30:47
Speaker 2: thing that goes wrong with your car, because you're pushing
30:50
Speaker 2: it past its limits. And that's essentially the way that
30:54
Speaker 2: our team worked throughout history until feminists came along and went, no,
30:58
Speaker 2: you know what, we have this monkey toss there we go.
31:01
Speaker 2: So two months after the Daily Beast report, Van Pelt
31:04
Speaker 2: resigned as now as president. Sighting health concerns, Anthony Huber asked, permanently, permanently,
31:10
Speaker 2: retired skateboarder asked, if women held up half the sky,
31:12
Speaker 2: then are they half responsible when the sky comes crashing? Yes,
31:16
Speaker 2: yes they are. They are as responsible. In fact, if
31:20
Speaker 2: only they're half of the sky comes crashing down and
31:22
Speaker 2: the other half is still up there, guess who is
31:24
Speaker 2: one hundred percent responsible? Because men can't hold up the
31:28
Speaker 2: entire sky. If we're going to talk about it in
31:30
Speaker 2: communist terms, I.
31:31
Speaker 3: Have on good authority that the sky is falling, and
31:33
Speaker 3: it's because men eat too much meat.
31:35
Speaker 2: Yes, it's been falling for for like eighty years or
31:39
Speaker 2: something like that. Now, and for the past eighty years
31:42
Speaker 2: we've been going to run out of fish in the ocean.
31:45
Speaker 2: In the next ten years been very It's been a
31:47
Speaker 2: very long standing and huge crisis, and we have to
31:50
Speaker 2: be very careful about that. I one day, my son
31:55
Speaker 2: came home from kindergarten. I mean this is years ago,
31:58
Speaker 2: because my son is more than a quarter of a
32:00
Speaker 2: century old now, and that tells you how old I am.
32:03
Speaker 2: But he came home from kindergarten. He was very upset
32:06
Speaker 2: because they had something that they were reading. This was
32:10
Speaker 2: not science class, by the way, this was a reading assignment,
32:14
Speaker 2: and they had to answer questions. You read a paragraph
32:18
Speaker 2: and then you answer questions about the paragraph to show
32:22
Speaker 2: that you understand your vocabulary, words and context, that you
32:25
Speaker 2: were able to summarize what the paragraph said, like this
32:29
Speaker 2: is what was being told to you in the paragraph,
32:31
Speaker 2: and so on, and you know that you had a
32:35
Speaker 2: good grasp of what you had just read. And they
32:38
Speaker 2: selected a paragraph that panicmongered about overfishing and that there
32:44
Speaker 2: would be no more fish left in the ocean and
32:46
Speaker 2: the entire ocean in the next ten years. They're all
32:51
Speaker 2: going to be gone. And so we had to call
32:53
Speaker 2: Grandma and Grandpa and have a conversation with them, because
32:58
Speaker 2: they had that same conversation with me when I was
33:01
Speaker 2: in school and I came home with something from one
33:04
Speaker 2: of my science classes. We were overfishing the ocean and
33:07
Speaker 2: there wasn't going to be a single fish left in
33:09
Speaker 2: the ocean in the next ten years, And you know,
33:12
Speaker 2: I started paying attention. You know, before al Gore said it,
33:16
Speaker 2: there were others before that had made this statement, and
33:21
Speaker 2: it goes back to at least the nineteen sixties and
33:25
Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties, because they were staying it to my
33:28
Speaker 2: parents when they were in school. The next ten years
33:31
Speaker 2: there won't be any fish in the ocean, and by
33:33
Speaker 2: the twenty first century, the world will be so overpopulated
33:38
Speaker 2: that human beings will all be standing shoulder to shoulder
33:41
Speaker 2: and nobody will have any space to move at the
33:44
Speaker 2: rate that we're reproducing.
33:45
Speaker 3: Of course, in parts of China and Africa and India,
33:48
Speaker 3: that is almost the case.
33:50
Speaker 2: That's because they're just because they're just because they're all
33:53
Speaker 2: living in the same You could say that about New
33:56
Speaker 2: York too. Property prices in New York are really high
33:58
Speaker 2: because it's a small st there's not a lot of property,
34:01
Speaker 2: and a lot of people have tried to squeeze into
34:02
Speaker 2: that little small space. But if you drive through Kansas,
34:06
Speaker 2: you discovered that actually there's quite a bit of space left.
34:09
Speaker 2: If you drive through Nebraska, you realize that, yeah, there's
34:12
Speaker 2: there's quite a bit of space left. And if you
34:14
Speaker 2: drive around through Australia, holy shit, there's a lot of
34:18
Speaker 2: space left.
34:19
Speaker 3: It's just a shame that that that space is slowly
34:25
Speaker 3: or quickly being filled up by this never ending human
34:31
Speaker 3: fountain from the Third World.
34:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also sinking into sinking into the pits of
34:37
Speaker 2: feminism as well. Unfortunately, even countries that even countries where
34:44
Speaker 2: you're wealthy, if you have two chickens and a goat,
34:47
Speaker 2: are starting to sink into the pits of feminism. They
34:50
Speaker 2: have time for feminism there now, so they're not as
34:53
Speaker 2: poor as they used to be. Feminism needs money. They
34:55
Speaker 2: prey on places where there's money. Of course, a lot
34:58
Speaker 2: of that may be the the USAID's infection from the
35:02
Speaker 2: Humanitarian Initiative veil that covers the world, where funding from
35:07
Speaker 2: the USAID system has sent organizations based in the United
35:12
Speaker 2: States all over the world to promote abortion and circumcision,
35:17
Speaker 2: child genital mutilation of the other variety as well, and
35:21
Speaker 2: so on. So we've been exporting feminism and they've been
35:25
Speaker 2: making us pay for it for so long. Yeah, Derek
35:28
Speaker 2: Workman says, drive through Kansas. I would not advise that
35:31
Speaker 2: it is incredibly boring. It's the space warp that exists. Like,
35:35
Speaker 2: you drive a couple of miles into Kansas, and the
35:38
Speaker 2: next thing, you're in a space warp and you just
35:40
Speaker 2: drive past the same mile. You drive through the same
35:43
Speaker 2: mile over and over again, until you've gone the number
35:45
Speaker 2: of times there are miles going in the state of Kansas,
35:49
Speaker 2: and then you come out the other side and you
35:51
Speaker 2: drive the last mile, and then then you drive out
35:53
Speaker 2: of Kansas.
35:54
Speaker 3: The other end of the other extreme is trying to
35:58
Speaker 3: drive through any city. Yeah, horribly stressful, and you quickly
36:02
Speaker 3: find yourself hating every human being in the world. You
36:06
Speaker 3: drive through the planes on the grassland and you think,
36:08
Speaker 3: where are all the people? This is interminably boring.
36:11
Speaker 2: You don't like you don't like driving twenty five meters
36:15
Speaker 2: per hour. I do not neither.
36:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a happy medium out here somewhere, folks. Yeah,
36:21
Speaker 3: and it's the small towns. Everything that is true was
36:24
Speaker 3: a small town. We should demolish the cities and put
36:27
Speaker 3: small towns in their places, and then put more small
36:29
Speaker 3: towns in the planes. It'll be great.
36:31
Speaker 2: Yep, I grew up in a small town. I can't
36:33
Speaker 2: say I was born in a small town. I was
36:35
Speaker 2: born in a small city or a big town. A Limo,
36:38
Speaker 2: Ohio is a little different. It's like it's the biggest
36:41
Speaker 2: small town you'll ever visit, I think. But anyway, let's
36:45
Speaker 2: see here. So she cited health concerns. Guys, He's like, yeah,
36:48
Speaker 2: I've been accused of racisms. I think it's time for
36:51
Speaker 2: me to have some health problems. Nunas, who was vice
36:53
Speaker 2: president at the time, then took over the as the
36:55
Speaker 2: organization's leader. So she wasn't elected. She's kind of got
36:58
Speaker 2: thrust into the lima here. Oh gosh, now I'm in charge. Great.
37:02
Speaker 2: So she didn't come in with ideas necessarily because that's
37:05
Speaker 2: what she wanted to do, unless this was a coup.
37:09
Speaker 2: So she came in to the presidency as being in
37:13
Speaker 2: as a black woman, not a regular black woman, but
37:16
Speaker 2: it as a black woman. She came into the presidency
37:18
Speaker 2: writing the coattails of allegations of racisms that caused Van
37:23
Speaker 2: Pelt to suffer sudden health problems and have to resign.
37:26
Speaker 2: So it's quite possible that this was a carefully orchestrated coup,
37:30
Speaker 2: because it sounds like the kind of thing that happens
37:32
Speaker 2: in women's circles. You have the rumors, and then you
37:36
Speaker 2: have the toppling of the queen bee, and then the
37:40
Speaker 2: first be below the queen Bee takes over and a
37:46
Speaker 2: lot of times she does end up hated like this,
37:48
Speaker 2: but quite frequently when you have the queen Bee getting toppled,
37:53
Speaker 2: it's because of rumors spread by the individual who's taking
37:57
Speaker 2: her place. We don't have any evidence of other than
38:00
Speaker 2: the fact that this is pretty typical in women's groups,
38:03
Speaker 2: women's friendships, women's business organizations, women's health clubs, just anywhere
38:09
Speaker 2: where the main movers and shakers in the group are
38:13
Speaker 2: a bunch of women. You get, you know, some somebody
38:15
Speaker 2: campaigning in the background. You know, I think Susie's kind
38:19
Speaker 2: of kind of allowing people to be racist to each
38:22
Speaker 2: other here in this group. You know, I kind of
38:24
Speaker 2: think this thing is happening. I don't want to say anything,
38:28
Speaker 2: but you should watch and see what do you think?
38:30
Speaker 2: And it gets this undercurrent going, and the next thing,
38:33
Speaker 2: you know, there's all kinds of conflict and it goes
38:36
Speaker 2: back to being Susie's fault, and Susie has been blindsided,
38:40
Speaker 2: has no idea what's going on, and ends up getting
38:42
Speaker 2: ousted from the entire group, excommunicated, so to speak. And
38:46
Speaker 2: then the person who quietly spread the rumors takes her place.
38:50
Speaker 2: So I kind of wonder about that. And if that's
38:52
Speaker 2: the case and she started the toxicity, she's not going
38:57
Speaker 2: to solve it very easily. It's not going to stop
38:59
Speaker 2: just because she got what you wanted. And a lot
39:02
Speaker 2: of times the usurper bee does end up in this
39:06
Speaker 2: situation where like, hey, why is everybody being so mean
39:09
Speaker 2: to me?
39:09
Speaker 3: It's the old stereotype of men insult each other to
39:12
Speaker 3: their faces, and then when they go their separate ways,
39:14
Speaker 3: they go, he's a great guy as well. Yeah, we'll
39:17
Speaker 3: say I love you, you're so beautiful to their face. But
39:20
Speaker 3: they separate, they go, she's such a bitch. Which works
39:23
Speaker 3: among small groups of women in I say, small towns,
39:27
Speaker 3: But when you put a bunch of these women together
39:29
Speaker 3: in oneization without the mitigating property of having men in it.
39:34
Speaker 3: God only knows what a well toxic work environment, because
39:38
Speaker 3: it's hard to say what toxic even means. But for
39:41
Speaker 3: God's sake, if it means anything, is that?
39:43
Speaker 2: Yeah. One one difference with women in a small town
39:46
Speaker 2: that I've noticed is, you know, if they have deemed
39:50
Speaker 2: another woman an excellent mother, you get the you know,
39:54
Speaker 2: capitalized words here, the excellent mother stamp of approval from
39:57
Speaker 2: the other moms in the neighborhood. You don't get such
40:00
Speaker 2: a bitch behind your back. Could get is her daughter
40:02
Speaker 2: old enough to babysit our kids yet? And you know
40:05
Speaker 2: who that mom is because as soon as her daughter
40:08
Speaker 2: gets old enough, which in the nineteen eighties when I
40:13
Speaker 2: was growing up, if it was I need to do
40:15
Speaker 2: some work outside, but I don't want to leave the
40:17
Speaker 2: kids alone in the house, that was you could be
40:20
Speaker 2: twelve and be hired for that. And of course, if
40:23
Speaker 2: it was I'm going someplace in town, and I can
40:26
Speaker 2: leave a phone number that the babysitter can call me
40:29
Speaker 2: if there's an emergency, and I can be home in
40:32
Speaker 2: five minutes. You could be fourteen, and if it was
40:37
Speaker 2: I'm going to another community half an hour away. Might
40:41
Speaker 2: not have a phone number, but I can call and
40:43
Speaker 2: check in throughout. You want them to be old enough
40:45
Speaker 2: to have a driver's license. So I started babysitting at twelve.
40:50
Speaker 2: So I had that mom, and there were women that
40:53
Speaker 2: undermined her too, but it was and honestly they were bitches.
40:58
Speaker 2: They were horrible. But I think most of the women
41:01
Speaker 2: my mom knew it was really hard to not like her.
41:05
Speaker 2: But so there is a thing to character, even with women.
41:10
Speaker 2: The women that hate women of good character are horrible,
41:14
Speaker 2: horrible people, let's see. Despite the circumstances leading to Nunaz's
41:19
Speaker 2: tenure as president, she said that her motivation to lead
41:22
Speaker 2: stemmed from now storied history paving the way for major
41:26
Speaker 2: legal changes addressing women's economic and social equality. Sorry, guys'll
41:30
Speaker 2: be right back to go throw up. I don't think
41:32
Speaker 2: that the National Organization Women had the history that they
41:36
Speaker 2: think they had. We had. Women's suffrage was achieved through
41:40
Speaker 2: a little bit of chicanery, a lot actually, and it
41:44
Speaker 2: was an act of overriding a lot of women who
41:46
Speaker 2: didn't want it. Very long process along march to the
41:50
Speaker 2: institutions is a thing, and also the social institutions, and
41:54
Speaker 2: then there wasn't There were little things here and there,
41:58
Speaker 2: but there weren't any huge victories again in until the
42:01
Speaker 2: Equal Pay Act, And it really wasn't women's groups that
42:05
Speaker 2: got the Equal Pay Act past. They were trying to
42:08
Speaker 2: tank the Equal Pay Act, which the Equal Pay Act
42:11
Speaker 2: wasn't about women, it was about race. They were trying
42:14
Speaker 2: to tank the Equal Pay Act, so they tacked women
42:17
Speaker 2: onto it, thinking that that would keep Republicans from voting
42:19
Speaker 2: for it. It didn't work. Republicans voted for it anyway.
42:22
Speaker 2: In fact, if I remember Ray, that was another one
42:25
Speaker 2: of those issues where Republicans were ahead of Democrats. But
42:29
Speaker 2: but yeah, there's not a significant amount of things in
42:34
Speaker 2: between that I would say were huge feminist victories. And
42:39
Speaker 2: both of those two victories were things that the establishment
42:44
Speaker 2: did for its own purposes that feminists sort of rode
42:46
Speaker 2: the coattails of those and then said, look what we
42:49
Speaker 2: did for women. But yeah, they're storied history. She also
42:52
Speaker 2: saw the potential for her as a black woman, So
42:56
Speaker 2: again we have the ass a black women the assecult
42:59
Speaker 2: to strengthen the organization's approach to intersectionality, going beyond issues
43:03
Speaker 2: that affect women as a whole with a W and
43:06
Speaker 2: addressing more specific concerns that disproportionately affect women of color
43:11
Speaker 2: as well as queer and trans women. So she was
43:13
Speaker 2: going to be the leader of the intersectionalist National Organization
43:17
Speaker 2: for Women. Nunas stated that while she believes a majority
43:20
Speaker 2: of now's members remain invested in this inclusive vision, there's
43:24
Speaker 2: a core, a small group that are really just horrible,
43:28
Speaker 2: are just really horrible and really toxic.
43:30
Speaker 3: I'm so shocked. I just I'm taking aback. I cannot
43:33
Speaker 3: believe what you're saying.
43:35
Speaker 2: It's very, very difficult. Sorry. I've been in so many
43:39
Speaker 2: groups of gals that all it takes is one. You
43:42
Speaker 2: don't need fifty toxic women to destroy a group of
43:46
Speaker 2: women from the inside. I'm surprised, honestly with feminists because
43:51
Speaker 2: it's such a toxic environment to begin with. These organizations.
43:55
Speaker 2: Their whole existence is about complaining and portraying themselves as
44:01
Speaker 2: victims of hate and oppression and everything. The more victim
44:07
Speaker 2: points you have, the higher your status. So I'm surprised
44:10
Speaker 2: that feminist groups have lasted as long as they have
44:13
Speaker 2: without self destructing. It's got to be partly due to
44:16
Speaker 2: the fact that the establishment is the support system for feminism.
44:22
Speaker 2: It's really that we have gone over this too. Previous
44:26
Speaker 2: episodes of HBr Talk, we discussed an article from a
44:31
Speaker 2: magazine called heterodox magazine, which if you look up what
44:34
Speaker 2: heterodoxy is, it's not about sexuality. A heterodoxy is basically
44:40
Speaker 2: the norm. What is the norm? So the magazine is
44:43
Speaker 2: essentially about what is the norm. And they did an
44:46
Speaker 2: issue on They did a couple of stories in various
44:50
Speaker 2: issues about the history of feminism and women's studies. But
44:54
Speaker 2: the article Women's Studies Imperialists traced how women's studies became
44:59
Speaker 2: a thing the United States, and you could see the
45:02
Speaker 2: fingerprints of the business establishment and the big charity establishment,
45:08
Speaker 2: basically the rich people establishment in the Ford Foundation and
45:13
Speaker 2: several other rich people foundations that funded this, and government
45:17
Speaker 2: grants that got put into it. That feminism is mostly funded, promoted, maintained,
45:25
Speaker 2: and scaffolded really by the establishment. It's it's on life support,
45:30
Speaker 2: constant life support. If you take away establishment funding and
45:34
Speaker 2: feminism had to actually appeal to the citizenry, the the
45:39
Speaker 2: whole concept would just die. Let's see. Her complaints about
45:44
Speaker 2: the organization focused on her needs as the mother of
45:47
Speaker 2: a young child with autism and alleged disrespectful treatment from
45:51
Speaker 2: a few individuals on Now's eighteen member national board.
45:56
Speaker 3: Waite to do with anything.
45:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I'll tell you what though, I tried to
46:02
Speaker 2: look up now as eighteen member national Board because thought, well,
46:05
Speaker 2: you know, this is a public, publicly funded, nonprofit organization
46:09
Speaker 2: that is involved in the legislative process as a lobbying group,
46:15
Speaker 2: and it's involved in influencing politics through influencing things like
46:20
Speaker 2: the Women's March and other protests that take place. Does
46:24
Speaker 2: a lot of letter writing campaigns. There's a lot of
46:27
Speaker 2: submitting amicust briefs to court cases and stuff like that.
46:31
Speaker 2: So you would think that their board membership would be public,
46:35
Speaker 2: but actually had a lot of difficulty finding it. I
46:37
Speaker 2: couldn't get the board members, nothing about their names or anything.
46:41
Speaker 2: The only thing I could get was an article on
46:44
Speaker 2: who was running to become a member of the National
46:47
Speaker 2: Organization for Women's Board in twenty twenty four. So they're
46:51
Speaker 2: having an election for the board this year too, so
46:54
Speaker 2: they're kind of anonymous. It's a little more difficult. Their
46:57
Speaker 2: website does not have on their about information. The list
47:03
Speaker 2: of board members has, you know, the president and the
47:06
Speaker 2: vice president. But that's it so quite interesting to find
47:09
Speaker 2: that out too. The Nineteenth reached out to NOW for
47:12
Speaker 2: a response to Nuna's statements. I remember her name is Christian.
47:16
Speaker 2: This confused me when I first read it. A press
47:18
Speaker 2: person for the organization said, they are unable to comment
47:20
Speaker 2: because the person who would respond is Christian. And at
47:24
Speaker 2: first I thought, are they saying they can't say anything
47:26
Speaker 2: because they're going to get a response back from a Christian?
47:29
Speaker 2: And then I had to go back and look, wait
47:31
Speaker 2: a minute, that's her first name. So the board their
47:34
Speaker 2: cop out was, we can't answer that because our spokesperson
47:37
Speaker 2: is the person that's complaining about us, and so we
47:40
Speaker 2: can't answer the complaint. So they can't come up with
47:42
Speaker 2: another spokesperson just for the board to answer for the
47:46
Speaker 2: board that they don't have, like any any other hierarchy. Besides,
47:52
Speaker 2: here's the president and here's the board. Nobody wanted to
47:55
Speaker 2: say anything.
47:55
Speaker 3: Maybe it's both because she's Christian and Christian, so we
48:00
Speaker 3: can't trust her because she's Christian, man because she's Christian.
48:03
Speaker 3: Maybe the feminists remember, which is a completely different religion.
48:08
Speaker 2: There you go. Well, I for a while infiltrated a
48:12
Speaker 2: Facebook group for feminist atheists with a with an alt account,
48:17
Speaker 2: just to see what kind of stupid things They had
48:19
Speaker 2: a lot of stupid things to say. Most of them
48:20
Speaker 2: weren't really show material, but it was kind of interesting.
48:23
Speaker 2: But the last time I logged into that account, probably
48:26
Speaker 2: because I never posted anything in the group, I got booted.
48:29
Speaker 2: So they decided I was a non participating member of
48:32
Speaker 2: the group and they didn't need me in there, which
48:34
Speaker 2: was kind of in.
48:35
Speaker 3: Other words, you're a kind of atheistist.
48:39
Speaker 2: They didn't feel like they had my enthusiastic consent, That's
48:42
Speaker 2: what it was. So Yeah, so they couldn't they couldn't
48:45
Speaker 2: come up with another person to to to respond to
48:49
Speaker 2: the complaints of the most powerful person in their organization
48:54
Speaker 2: about how other members of the organization were mistreating her.
49:00
Speaker 2: And Yeah, Nunas, she said, holds the top position for
49:04
Speaker 2: the main organization, as well as now Is Charitable Foundation
49:07
Speaker 2: and its political action committee. Nunas first became now Vice
49:11
Speaker 2: president in May twenty nineteen after the organization's board abruptly
49:16
Speaker 2: removed guilty Assi, an Indigenous woman and member of the
49:20
Speaker 2: Navajo Nation, from the position. Yazzi later filed a lawsuit
49:25
Speaker 2: against now alleging discrimination and harrassment. I'm starting to see
49:29
Speaker 2: a pattern here.
49:31
Speaker 3: Does that Trump assa black woman? Yes, Native American Trump.
49:38
Speaker 2: Yes she is. She is a higher level member of
49:40
Speaker 2: the Assa art as A cult. I would say, I
49:44
Speaker 2: would say she is. She is definitely a higher degree
49:49
Speaker 2: member of the Asca cult.
49:51
Speaker 3: Definitely more endangered.
49:53
Speaker 2: Definitely. Yes, we we definitely need to, like it's got
49:56
Speaker 2: to have her own environment within the office, you know,
49:59
Speaker 2: at that Oh my gosh, we can't have this member
50:02
Speaker 2: of the Assa cult go extinct. Nuna said she had
50:05
Speaker 2: just given birth to her son Van Pelt when and
50:08
Speaker 2: Van Pelt approached her about vice presidency with a promise
50:11
Speaker 2: that Nuna's would have twelve weeks of maternity leave and
50:14
Speaker 2: could work remotely for the rest of the year, before
50:16
Speaker 2: moving from her home in Arizona to Now's headquarters in Washington,
50:20
Speaker 2: d C. In January twenty twenty. Which sounds reasonable considering
50:23
Speaker 2: that they push for every woman in the country realdless
50:26
Speaker 2: of what type of work she does, to have that
50:30
Speaker 2: they pushed for the Family and Medical Leave Act. I
50:34
Speaker 2: believe nineteen ninety four that was a Bush senior thing
50:39
Speaker 2: that I think think actually Clinton's one that ended up. No,
50:46
Speaker 2: it was nineteen ninety anyway, it's been a while. It's
50:50
Speaker 2: been for most of the time I worked before FMLA,
50:54
Speaker 2: but for most of the time I've been working, FMLA
50:56
Speaker 2: has been in. In fact, I had to go back and
50:58
Speaker 2: look up when that happened now. So one of the
51:00
Speaker 2: things that they put in it, that they insisted on,
51:05
Speaker 2: especially in later incarnations of it, was a period of
51:09
Speaker 2: time where you couldn't be fired for taking maternity leave.
51:14
Speaker 2: Now they wanted paid maternity leave for all women everywhere,
51:19
Speaker 2: whatever workplace they were in, no matter what. So if
51:22
Speaker 2: you were whether you were a cashier at a convenience
51:25
Speaker 2: store or a firefighter, or you worked in an office somewhere,
51:31
Speaker 2: or like my job, I am a member of a
51:36
Speaker 2: team of nine basically, so I'm I'm more than ten
51:42
Speaker 2: percent of the team. And if I took that much
51:44
Speaker 2: time off, which I did, have to take five weeks
51:47
Speaker 2: off at one point, and it was it was insane
51:50
Speaker 2: trying to deal with that, because filling five weeks like
51:53
Speaker 2: that it is just and I had FMLA for it.
51:57
Speaker 2: It was really rough. I'm my employer and I've had
52:00
Speaker 2: coworkers that have taken that time off and it's been
52:02
Speaker 2: really rough on the employer. And what the result has
52:05
Speaker 2: been is a lot of us that work for that
52:07
Speaker 2: employer have done quite a bit of overtime, like enough
52:11
Speaker 2: to where it's affecting our health to make up for
52:13
Speaker 2: that situation, because the employer has a bigger team that
52:18
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily all work in my particular division, and so
52:23
Speaker 2: they're considered a big enough employer that they have to
52:26
Speaker 2: abide by at MLA. And it is a major burden
52:30
Speaker 2: not just on the employer but on the colleagues when
52:33
Speaker 2: you have an actual small, specialized team dealing with one
52:37
Speaker 2: specialized location or area. Eleven percent, I guess, I don't know.
52:43
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do the math right now, but
52:45
Speaker 2: more than ten percent of the team isn't there for
52:48
Speaker 2: five weeks, and the company gives eight weeks for maternity leave. Fortunately,
52:53
Speaker 2: I'm old enough that that's not a factor for me
52:56
Speaker 2: to give. You know, you can take eight weeks. It's
52:59
Speaker 2: not paid, but you know, if you really build up
53:02
Speaker 2: paid time off in my company, but a lot of
53:05
Speaker 2: companies have been pressured into offering that paid time off
53:09
Speaker 2: for maternity leave as a separate things. You can take
53:13
Speaker 2: this PTO from maternity leave and you can only use
53:16
Speaker 2: it for maternity leave, and men don't really necessarily get
53:20
Speaker 2: an equivalent in a lot of those companies, but they
53:22
Speaker 2: don't get some other benefit to make up for not
53:25
Speaker 2: getting an equivalent either. So they're just kind of sol
53:29
Speaker 2: And when you think about that's two months pay just
53:31
Speaker 2: for eight weeks, and then they push for twelve weeks.
53:34
Speaker 2: That's three months, three months pay essentially, that they're talking
53:38
Speaker 2: about the employer give women for not working at all
53:43
Speaker 2: during that time and hold their job while they're paying
53:46
Speaker 2: another person to do that job. So she was promised
53:49
Speaker 2: this maternity leave, she was promised that she could work
53:52
Speaker 2: the rest of the year from home and then after
53:55
Speaker 2: her appointment. This is also, by the way, during the
53:57
Speaker 2: shutdown twenty twenty, so a lot of people were working
54:00
Speaker 2: for it was normal to work from home if you
54:03
Speaker 2: did anything that you could just do remotely by computer.
54:06
Speaker 2: I couldn't do that because I work in healthcare.
54:08
Speaker 3: Except politicians and world leaders, by the way, they could
54:11
Speaker 3: very easily have their G twenty and the G eight
54:13
Speaker 3: summits remote.
54:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they still voted remotely in Congress.
54:21
Speaker 3: When they had to meet each other. Oh y'ah, no,
54:23
Speaker 3: we all need fucking twenty private jets for that shit.
54:26
Speaker 2: Oh they can't all ride together, you know, Families.
54:29
Speaker 3: Don't need to be together. Eachers and students don't need
54:31
Speaker 3: to be together. But when politicians who need translators anyway.
54:37
Speaker 1: There we go.
54:38
Speaker 3: We need to get a bunch of private jets and
54:40
Speaker 3: meet someone in the middle. Fucking still pissed off about that.
54:43
Speaker 3: I'll never not be pissed off.
54:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I that's one thing that we've been pointing that
54:47
Speaker 2: out too for a long time. I'm going and a
54:50
Speaker 2: lot of people on the right have been pointing it
54:52
Speaker 2: out like that are specifically just on the right rather
54:55
Speaker 2: than critics of all things everywhere, but the right has
54:58
Speaker 2: been pointing out things like Al Gore had this whole
55:01
Speaker 2: thing about environmentalism, and he also had this giant mansion
55:06
Speaker 2: that used as much electricity as a small town. So
55:10
Speaker 2: it's and you gotta if you're gonna talk the talk,
55:13
Speaker 2: you gotta walk the walk, Like I guarantee you. I've
55:16
Speaker 2: never had an abortion. I'm pro life. I think abortion
55:19
Speaker 2: is wrong, So I have never had an abortion. Right,
55:22
Speaker 2: it's pretty much the way you live the way you
55:25
Speaker 2: say everybody should live, and you don't. You don't live
55:28
Speaker 2: one way and tell everybody, well but you the masses
55:31
Speaker 2: are not important enough to be able to break these rules.
55:34
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna use my small town's worth of electricity.
55:37
Speaker 2: But you you have to have rolling blackouts and your
55:40
Speaker 2: heat get shut off in the middle of the winter
55:42
Speaker 2: time in the northern part of a state that spans
55:46
Speaker 2: almost the entirety of the coast of the country, where
55:51
Speaker 2: in the northern part it cold and wet in the wintertime.
55:55
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, it.
55:56
Speaker 3: Doesn't include socialists. Of course. Religious people say, I believe
56:00
Speaker 3: in charity, and so I pay you to charity. Socialists go,
56:04
Speaker 3: I believe in wealth distribution, and so you all have
56:07
Speaker 3: to distribute your wealth.
56:09
Speaker 2: Yes, we're gonna redistribute your wealth, not theirs.
56:12
Speaker 3: What mansion? This isn't a mansion.
56:15
Speaker 2: What I got thirty seven rooms? Come on like it's
56:18
Speaker 2: not ninety nine. After her appointment to the presidency, however,
56:22
Speaker 2: the tone shifted. Nuna said, now his leadership allegedly told
56:26
Speaker 2: her she needed to work for six months before taking
56:29
Speaker 2: maternity leave. Oh, yes, we're gonna you can start out
56:31
Speaker 2: with maternity leave. That's fine, you can. You can start
56:34
Speaker 2: out with that and then work from home. No, you
56:37
Speaker 2: gotta wait six months. Well, the baby's baby now, Oh sorry, sorry,
56:41
Speaker 2: you still gotta wait six months. She began traveling for
56:43
Speaker 2: work six weeks after giving birth as, She said, board
56:46
Speaker 2: members also pressured her to move to DC sooner. She
56:49
Speaker 2: relocated in September twenty nineteen. After Van Pelt resigned in
56:54
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and Nunas took over. She said that she
56:57
Speaker 2: had continued to face pressures that conflicted with her ability
57:00
Speaker 2: as a single mother to care for her son. So
57:03
Speaker 2: we don't know why she's a single mother. She may
57:05
Speaker 2: be a single mother by a circumstance, she may be
57:09
Speaker 2: a single mother by choice. The majority of children born
57:13
Speaker 2: out of wedlock today, if I understand correctly, are born
57:16
Speaker 2: to single mothers by choice, like now, technically, in my opinion,
57:21
Speaker 2: in the United States, where abortion is legal, and we
57:24
Speaker 2: also before you get to conception, we have like eleven
57:28
Speaker 2: different types categories of birth control, and multiple iterations of
57:32
Speaker 2: each of those types of birth control. I think Pearl
57:36
Speaker 2: Davis said it totals out to something like forty different
57:39
Speaker 2: different things that women can choose from. I consider all
57:43
Speaker 2: out of wedlock births to be single mothers by choice,
57:47
Speaker 2: especially if she retains custody, because you also have safe
57:49
Speaker 2: of an abandonment the fathers. To have custody, you have
57:52
Speaker 2: even little Most women I think aren't. They don't have
57:56
Speaker 2: the wisdom to opt for that like they should. But
57:59
Speaker 2: you also have your family is there, and you have
58:02
Speaker 2: the adoption system that has both open and closed adoptions.
58:07
Speaker 2: So if a woman in first century America conceives a child,
58:11
Speaker 2: whether it by IVF or with a man through sex,
58:15
Speaker 2: if she conceives a child, retains the pregnancy and goes
58:19
Speaker 2: through the entire gestation period, however far before she delivers
58:23
Speaker 2: and gives live birth, and then retains custody after the birth,
58:26
Speaker 2: that single motherhood by choice, because there's a whole series
58:29
Speaker 2: of choices that you made. There, a whole bunch of them,
58:31
Speaker 2: including not just the initial you know, do I have
58:36
Speaker 2: abortion or not, but do you have sex? Who do
58:39
Speaker 2: you have it with, what kind of relationship do you
58:42
Speaker 2: have with this person, what level of trust, what type
58:46
Speaker 2: of commitment, and then also the birth control choices, and
58:50
Speaker 2: then if after conception, the abortion choice, and then after
58:55
Speaker 2: that choice is made, the adoption and other custodial choices.
59:00
Speaker 2: So it's it's hard to call any woman oppressed by
59:04
Speaker 2: this situation, and especially if she's the president of the
59:07
Speaker 2: National Organization for Women Rights, she's the leader of the
59:11
Speaker 2: organization that preaches to the rest of us what we
59:15
Speaker 2: should be doing, how much, how far we should be
59:18
Speaker 2: opening our wallets to pay for those women's choices, to
59:22
Speaker 2: pay for their choice to be careless with sex and
59:26
Speaker 2: then retain custody after giving live birth, that it's on
59:30
Speaker 2: us to make sure that their kids are taken care of,
59:33
Speaker 2: because clearly they're not doing it, and therefore it's the
59:36
Speaker 2: father's fault. Anybody who anybody who works even remotely like
59:40
Speaker 2: a man, should be paying taxes into a system that
59:44
Speaker 2: funds childcare and cash assistance and food stamps and healthcare
59:49
Speaker 2: and you know, free housing and utilities payments and car
59:53
Speaker 2: repairs and refrigerator and there's a like one hundred different
59:57
Speaker 2: programs you can apply for if you're under the P
1:00:00
Speaker 2: level single mom, right, and if she's at the other
1:00:02
Speaker 2: end of it, and she's actually a well to do
1:00:05
Speaker 2: IVF single mom, and she she chose to be part
1:00:09
Speaker 2: of this organization, right, she didn't. They didn't like go
1:00:12
Speaker 2: down the street in Arizona where she lived, and like, look,
1:00:15
Speaker 2: random black woman, let's get her put a net over
1:00:18
Speaker 2: her head, drag her into now headquarters. Ah, you are
1:00:21
Speaker 2: now a member of the National Organization for Women, and uh,
1:00:25
Speaker 2: we're gonna make you the vice president. You have to work.
1:00:27
Speaker 2: They didn't do that, right, She had to have worked
1:00:30
Speaker 2: her way into that position. She must have done other
1:00:33
Speaker 2: jobs before this, because they don't usually like, they wouldn't
1:00:37
Speaker 2: make me president of jack shitt right now, I don't
1:00:40
Speaker 2: have a degree in anything. I don't have any management experience.
1:00:43
Speaker 2: I haven't been in government. Nobody would look at me
1:00:45
Speaker 2: and say this is president material. Like, nobody in their
1:00:48
Speaker 2: right mind would look at me and say this president.
1:00:51
Speaker 2: If they did, I would tell them you're crazy. And no,
1:00:54
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that job. I wouldn't know
1:00:55
Speaker 2: where to begin to do that job. It's not it's
1:00:58
Speaker 2: not my thing. Okay, if the country has a runny nose,
1:01:02
Speaker 2: I'll help if the country needs a president. No, but
1:01:05
Speaker 2: she got the job of vice president, right. She had
1:01:08
Speaker 2: qualifications from somewhere, so she knows how work is. She
1:01:13
Speaker 2: chose to work with this organization, and she chose to
1:01:16
Speaker 2: seek out that position. I have no sympathy at all
1:01:19
Speaker 2: right now.
1:01:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, as someone who talks online about things, there's always
1:01:25
Speaker 3: the occasional fucking swamp out who says why aren't you
1:01:28
Speaker 3: doing anything? All you're doing is complaining for profit. You
1:01:32
Speaker 3: should be doing something. And this invariably comes from someone
1:01:35
Speaker 3: who also isn't doing anything but literally just complaining in
1:01:38
Speaker 3: a comment below my complaints, and I'm like, look, I'm
1:01:42
Speaker 3: someone I knew from the earliest of ages that what
1:01:45
Speaker 3: I wanted to do with my life was dick around
1:01:47
Speaker 3: making funny videos. Like from pre puberty, I already knew
1:01:53
Speaker 3: what I wanted to do, and it was dick around
1:01:54
Speaker 3: making funny videos. But in my mid adulthood, it occurred
1:01:59
Speaker 3: to me that there are serious political problems in the world,
1:02:02
Speaker 3: like the plight of men and whatnot, and so I
1:02:05
Speaker 3: incorporated that into the comedy routines that I do in
1:02:09
Speaker 3: my silly funny videos, because even though all I ever
1:02:13
Speaker 3: wanted to do was dick around being funny, I'm like, actually, no,
1:02:16
Speaker 3: this is quite serious. I'm still gonna dick around doing
1:02:19
Speaker 3: funny videos, but I'm going to actually address these issues.
1:02:23
Speaker 3: And apparently that's still not enough be a politician. As
1:02:26
Speaker 3: I know, I'm not going to be a politician. There
1:02:28
Speaker 3: are people out there who have always wanted to be politicians,
1:02:31
Speaker 3: and I'm going to leave it to them, Why don't
1:02:33
Speaker 3: you fucking bug them about not doing enough? Like like
1:02:37
Speaker 3: this whomen we were talking about in this, in this,
1:02:40
Speaker 3: in this show, like all of these people who have
1:02:43
Speaker 3: gone directly into the business of changing the world, and
1:02:48
Speaker 3: all they do is fuck everyone over, And like, I've
1:02:51
Speaker 3: still got people fucking given me shit for not doing enough,
1:02:56
Speaker 3: when when the people who promised the world that they
1:02:59
Speaker 3: would change it for the better are only changing it
1:03:02
Speaker 3: for the worst. And you guys are out here yelling
1:03:05
Speaker 3: at a fucking comedian for actually doing what you want
1:03:09
Speaker 3: him to do. And again, all you're doing is fucking
1:03:12
Speaker 3: appearing in comments and yelling angrily at me and still
1:03:16
Speaker 3: not doing anything. Are you a politician, anonymous fucking commenter
1:03:21
Speaker 3: below all my videos? What are you doing?
1:03:23
Speaker 1: Oh?
1:03:23
Speaker 3: Oh nothing at all. You're yelling at the person who's
1:03:26
Speaker 3: yelling at the people that you want to yell at.
1:03:28
Speaker 3: Is fucking mind boggling. Is Yeah, someone in the world
1:03:31
Speaker 3: should do something, but not me, That's what it is.
1:03:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know who has more power than politicians commentators.
1:03:38
Speaker 2: Somebody once asked Rush Limbaugh why he didn't run for
1:03:41
Speaker 2: president because obviously, you know, in Russia's opinion, he had
1:03:46
Speaker 2: all the best ideas and knew how everything should be done.
1:03:49
Speaker 2: And he said that he had much more influence over
1:03:53
Speaker 2: politics in this country as a commentator than he would
1:03:57
Speaker 2: have as a holder of any because he had the
1:04:01
Speaker 2: power to sway the masses. And there's an interesting thing
1:04:05
Speaker 2: with working as a commentator. You don't have to have
1:04:08
Speaker 2: an audience of millions to affect the opinions of millions.
1:04:13
Speaker 2: What you have to do is find a part of
1:04:16
Speaker 2: the pool of human conversation, thought, belief systems, and so on.
1:04:22
Speaker 2: You just find an area that is deep and wide,
1:04:27
Speaker 2: and you drop a pebble in it that's just big
1:04:30
Speaker 2: enough and heavy enough that the ripples really move, you know,
1:04:35
Speaker 2: or you skim something across the top that creates a
1:04:38
Speaker 2: whole set of ripple sets going further across the pond.
1:04:43
Speaker 2: And one of the things that being a commentator on
1:04:46
Speaker 2: the internet has allowed is our audience isn't just in
1:04:50
Speaker 2: the country where we live. In fact, Mike and I
1:04:53
Speaker 2: are cross the ocean from each other, so we have
1:04:56
Speaker 2: we're hitting the pond from both sides, double teaming it
1:04:59
Speaker 2: so to speak, right, And we've had we've had comments
1:05:02
Speaker 2: from people that let us know that we have listeners
1:05:05
Speaker 2: on every continent that people live on that we know about,
1:05:09
Speaker 2: anyway that people live on, and it does create you know,
1:05:13
Speaker 2: we talk about stuff, people think about what we've said,
1:05:16
Speaker 2: and they respond to it. They may talk about it
1:05:19
Speaker 2: among their friends, they may talk about it among their
1:05:22
Speaker 2: family members, and they respond to it. They think about it,
1:05:26
Speaker 2: and again there's that ripple effect. And so you're creating
1:05:30
Speaker 2: essentially a big push on the overton window of this
1:05:33
Speaker 2: is what is the common belief in the world right now,
1:05:37
Speaker 2: or that is what the common belief in the world
1:05:39
Speaker 2: is right now. And as a result this election, when
1:05:42
Speaker 2: men outvoted women on opposing Trump because they thought he
1:05:46
Speaker 2: was going to solely go after abortion for some reason,
1:05:50
Speaker 2: and we got blamed. We're told that we're nobody, that
1:05:54
Speaker 2: we do nothing, we have no effect on the world.
1:05:56
Speaker 2: Right But when the election didn't go feminist way, it
1:05:59
Speaker 2: was men's right now activists that they've started blaming men's
1:06:02
Speaker 2: rights activists voted in the bad orange man that we
1:06:05
Speaker 2: we all hate because he's going to do terrible things.
1:06:07
Speaker 2: And when we next the next thing that we're going
1:06:10
Speaker 2: to go over after this article, which isn't going to
1:06:12
Speaker 2: be tonight, we've got The National Organization for Women has
1:06:16
Speaker 2: this list of evils that that Trump has proposed or
1:06:21
Speaker 2: is doing. I'll give you a little preview here of
1:06:24
Speaker 2: the great list of evils the Trump administration's policies harming
1:06:29
Speaker 2: women as of May five, twenty five, in reverse chronological order.
1:06:34
Speaker 2: So there you go. Well, but that's the taste of
1:06:36
Speaker 2: the future. We're still not done with this article, which
1:06:39
Speaker 2: won't go there, it goes, then it won't go back
1:06:41
Speaker 2: to But yeah, I don't I don't buy into you know,
1:06:45
Speaker 2: when people say, oh, you don't do anything because you're
1:06:47
Speaker 2: a commentator, Commentators actually have quite a bit of influence.
1:06:51
Speaker 2: And then the reason that they attack commentators as do
1:06:53
Speaker 2: nothings is because they do not like our influence. And
1:06:57
Speaker 2: you do not have to be a major commentator or
1:07:01
Speaker 2: a widely known commentator. You can be a commentator from
1:07:06
Speaker 2: the shadows that doesn't get stalked by scary people for
1:07:13
Speaker 2: being a commentator, doesn't get squatted, doesn't get well, we've
1:07:17
Speaker 2: been doxed and we've been swatted, but only once. We
1:07:21
Speaker 2: were at a public park, so it was a lot
1:07:23
Speaker 2: harder for him to swaths. But in any case, you know,
1:07:28
Speaker 2: doesn't usually deal with the level of things that say
1:07:32
Speaker 2: the big names have to deal with and still have
1:07:35
Speaker 2: quite a bit of influence, accomplished quite a bit of
1:07:39
Speaker 2: change of the public discourse over a short amount of time,
1:07:44
Speaker 2: and I think the commentators of the men's rights movement,
1:07:47
Speaker 2: even from back when most commentary, most men's issues commentary
1:07:52
Speaker 2: was on blogs, it's still had a profound effect, and
1:07:55
Speaker 2: it has had a profound effect over the last twenty
1:07:58
Speaker 2: years to where what has in sort of a niche
1:08:01
Speaker 2: area of politics that people barely understand is now mainstream.
1:08:06
Speaker 2: You know, we're not establishment, We are actually mainstream. What
1:08:11
Speaker 2: often gets called mainstream, people use the word mainstream when
1:08:14
Speaker 2: they mean establishment. That's not the mainstream. It's not the
1:08:17
Speaker 2: general consensus of the regular public. It's what the establishment
1:08:22
Speaker 2: is trying to oppose on the regular public. But we're
1:08:26
Speaker 2: actually I'm actually in person seeing in places that I'd
1:08:30
Speaker 2: never seen these kinds of issues discussed before, like right
1:08:34
Speaker 2: in my community, right in my last several workplaces, among
1:08:38
Speaker 2: my friends and family, seeing consensus change, and people noticing
1:08:44
Speaker 2: men's issues and noticing the unfairness in the court system
1:08:47
Speaker 2: and the way that men get treated like they're disposable
1:08:51
Speaker 2: and so on. It's not something that people really had
1:08:54
Speaker 2: a lot of it. They didn't take a lot of
1:08:55
Speaker 2: notice of it in the past. So yeah, commentators do
1:08:59
Speaker 2: a lot. They do, and that's and we're hated for it.
1:09:01
Speaker 2: That said, I like to shove it in a lot
1:09:03
Speaker 2: of people's faces when they well, you don't do anything,
1:09:05
Speaker 2: you're just a commentator. Well, actually, I've gone to court
1:09:09
Speaker 2: with several falsely accused men, sat in court and been
1:09:14
Speaker 2: the eyeballs that keep the judge honest. I've been able
1:09:17
Speaker 2: to report on a couple of those, but not all
1:09:21
Speaker 2: of them. And there have been several instances where I've
1:09:24
Speaker 2: I've given advice as well that has been followed and
1:09:27
Speaker 2: has been the reason why somebody got custody of his kids,
1:09:31
Speaker 2: or why somebody didn't make a big mistake in his
1:09:35
Speaker 2: his court battle, just because of having seen what women
1:09:40
Speaker 2: do in those.
1:09:42
Speaker 3: There's no telling how much of this movement we were
1:09:44
Speaker 3: instrumental and started, because we've been doing this since.
1:09:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, twelve years ago, and yeah, and us like, yeah,
1:09:53
Speaker 2: there was a there was a very big movement actually
1:09:56
Speaker 2: before us.
1:09:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, history has already forgotten us knows how much history
1:10:01
Speaker 3: has already forgotten what came before us, but we were there,
1:10:05
Speaker 3: Like fucking Sagon wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Karen.
1:10:08
Speaker 3: He has admitted to this at one point, and it's
1:10:11
Speaker 3: a case for so many people because Karen really did
1:10:14
Speaker 3: get in there first and sort of blow up so
1:10:17
Speaker 3: that more than anyone else. Yeah, and she's part of
1:10:22
Speaker 3: any by the radio, by the way, she's.
1:10:24
Speaker 2: The gateway Well, she's one of the founders, right, she's
1:10:26
Speaker 2: the gateway drug to the men's rice movement. She gets
1:10:28
Speaker 2: referred to as that all the time.
1:10:29
Speaker 3: Indeed, But you won't hear about this from the fucking
1:10:33
Speaker 3: feminist cabals that run the internet because they've done everything
1:10:37
Speaker 3: they can to bury us because they know where the
1:10:39
Speaker 3: old geese.
1:10:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when they talk about her, they try to
1:10:43
Speaker 2: subtly undermine her appearance. They sort of try to make
1:10:48
Speaker 2: her out to be half redneck, half freak because like,
1:10:51
Speaker 2: for instance, Karen likes to wear tank tops, and there's
1:10:54
Speaker 2: a particular type of tank top for women that has
1:10:58
Speaker 2: its own built in bra and a lot of us
1:11:01
Speaker 2: like those. They're comfortable and you just put it on
1:11:04
Speaker 2: in your dressed you know, you don't have to put
1:11:06
Speaker 2: on a bra and then your shirt and you have
1:11:08
Speaker 2: to worry about your strap showing and all the things
1:11:10
Speaker 2: that like gen xers, we don't like our strap showing.
1:11:14
Speaker 2: For the most part, we don't run around showing off
1:11:16
Speaker 2: our bras. I noticed that there's a lot of today's
1:11:19
Speaker 2: fashion that you know, you have your bra sticking out
1:11:22
Speaker 2: of your shirt for some reason. But we grew up
1:11:24
Speaker 2: seeing that in magazines but being embarrassed about it in
1:11:26
Speaker 2: real life, so we wouldn't even talk about it. Right
1:11:29
Speaker 2: If your classmate had a strap showing, you didn't tell
1:11:32
Speaker 2: her that. You quietly said, your integrity is showing. And everybody,
1:11:37
Speaker 2: you know, every woman nearby knew that, you know, she
1:11:40
Speaker 2: needed to tug her shirt collar back over the bra strap.
1:11:44
Speaker 2: But those tank tops are nice because it's all built in.
1:11:47
Speaker 2: You don't have to, you know, prevent any accidents. Any
1:11:50
Speaker 2: fashion wardrobe is wardrobe malfunctions. They do wear out, which
1:11:55
Speaker 2: really sucks. Like the video I made that has the
1:11:58
Speaker 2: most views on my old channel, I didn't realize that
1:12:02
Speaker 2: my black tank bra is like the whole thing. It's
1:12:05
Speaker 2: the broad tank. It's a regular tank top, goes all
1:12:07
Speaker 2: the way down, it's not cropped. It goes all the
1:12:09
Speaker 2: way down to the pants, but it looks like a
1:12:11
Speaker 2: bra and at video because of the framing, and it
1:12:15
Speaker 2: was lower than I wanted it to be, so that
1:12:18
Speaker 2: I've never want to replace that video though, because the
1:12:20
Speaker 2: message in it spread rather far and wide, and I
1:12:23
Speaker 2: don't want to take it down because of that. But
1:12:26
Speaker 2: those are comfy, right. But when I think it was
1:12:29
Speaker 2: Marie Claire, it might have been some other. We've had
1:12:31
Speaker 2: a few places cover Honeybager radio. When they described Karen's
1:12:35
Speaker 2: tank tops, they didn't say that, they called him wife beaters.
1:12:38
Speaker 2: Like that is actually a racist term. I don't know
1:12:43
Speaker 2: if people realize, but it's not just a sexist term.
1:12:48
Speaker 2: Because men's undershirts are that are that particular shape where
1:12:53
Speaker 2: they have like the low neckline and the really open armpits.
1:13:00
Speaker 2: Those were an Italian favorite and you see a lot
1:13:05
Speaker 2: of the stereotypical portrayal of like Italian gangsters and stuff
1:13:10
Speaker 2: like that in just those those those tank tops.
1:13:13
Speaker 3: So those have been quite big in the UK for
1:13:16
Speaker 3: sometimes even the northern parts of the UK.
1:13:20
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because they're a nice modest thing to wear
1:13:22
Speaker 2: under a shirt that is somewhat through.
1:13:25
Speaker 3: I mean men don't wear the men anymore because.
1:13:27
Speaker 2: They're Yeah, they kind of killed the industry, but they
1:13:31
Speaker 2: got started calling that being called that because of that
1:13:34
Speaker 2: stereotype of the I can't think of the way to
1:13:37
Speaker 2: describe this, but you know the what's that show that
1:13:39
Speaker 2: has snooky what's the show? Yeah, there's the Jersey shore
1:13:44
Speaker 2: type stereotype and the older stereotypes of like the mafioso that's,
1:13:48
Speaker 2: you know, this old fashion don't talk to me about
1:13:51
Speaker 2: my business and hits this woman and blah blah blah.
1:13:54
Speaker 2: Like that's where the wife beater thing, you know, sort
1:13:57
Speaker 2: of that reputation came about, and and it is it
1:14:00
Speaker 2: does target Italian men, and at least from from my
1:14:04
Speaker 2: memory of it, that taking hole as an actual term
1:14:09
Speaker 2: wife beater for the actual shirt and not men who
1:14:13
Speaker 2: beat their wives. But that's who that was targeting, because
1:14:16
Speaker 2: that's the only people I ever saw anybody say it about,
1:14:19
Speaker 2: Oh he's wearing a wife beater. So it's it's like
1:14:21
Speaker 2: that's to me, yeah, blue collar, working class Italian men,
1:14:25
Speaker 2: Merit G says, And I just so I see, I
1:14:28
Speaker 2: view that as a racist term and I won't use it.
1:14:31
Speaker 2: I hate that term for those those tank tops anyway,
1:14:34
Speaker 2: I think it's it's an insult to men, even if
1:14:37
Speaker 2: it's not racist, and it's definitely classist, so Chris Mizzuno says.
1:14:43
Speaker 2: More recently, there's been a resurgence in the popularity of
1:14:45
Speaker 2: white tank tops, often referred to with terms like wife
1:14:49
Speaker 2: pleaser or wife blesser. Well, wife pleaser is a good
1:14:51
Speaker 2: one because I don't know if you guys know this,
1:14:54
Speaker 2: but one of the sexiest things you could do is
1:14:57
Speaker 2: show us your back right and your shoulders, just that
1:15:02
Speaker 2: that fan of a guy's shoulders and that area of
1:15:08
Speaker 2: the neck that you can see the trapeziest muscle and
1:15:12
Speaker 2: the the sternokludo mastoid, you know, if he's working his
1:15:15
Speaker 2: jar or something. One of the sexiest parts.
1:15:17
Speaker 3: Of a guy.
1:15:18
Speaker 2: Even though you know, everybody likes your eyes, and everybody
1:15:22
Speaker 2: likes your abs, and everybody likes, you know, the glutes
1:15:25
Speaker 2: and and the biceps. It's it's really underrated to show
1:15:29
Speaker 2: off your back. People don't realize how how much fun
1:15:32
Speaker 2: it is to just look at a guy from behind
1:15:35
Speaker 2: and just see the span of his shoulders. And it's
1:15:37
Speaker 2: because women, our shoulders aren't that big and most of us,
1:15:40
Speaker 2: you know, even if we have like the straight across,
1:15:42
Speaker 2: I got the straight across shoulders, I got the I
1:15:44
Speaker 2: don't have the coat hanger shoulders. I've got the rack
1:15:47
Speaker 2: shoulders for it. So it's the exomorph body type. But
1:15:51
Speaker 2: even I don't have big, strong shoulders like a guy,
1:15:54
Speaker 2: and so it's something we don't have, so it's it's
1:15:58
Speaker 2: extra sexy because of that.
1:16:00
Speaker 3: This was something I asked my first ever girlfriend because
1:16:04
Speaker 3: it happened to come up in conversation what she thinks
1:16:07
Speaker 3: my most attractive body part is, and she said my back.
1:16:11
Speaker 3: We didn't know how to take it at the time
1:16:13
Speaker 3: because it sounds like a well literally backhanded compliment. But
1:16:17
Speaker 3: it's probably because because my back is hairless, but my
1:16:20
Speaker 3: front is quite hairy. I think that's that's the best combination,
1:16:24
Speaker 3: because nobody likes a hairy back, let's be honest. Yeah,
1:16:27
Speaker 3: But it's it's shoulders, isn't it. If you're a skinny
1:16:30
Speaker 3: motherfucker with shoulders two inches apart, then your back's probably
1:16:35
Speaker 3: probably not really attractive. I think the back is just
1:16:38
Speaker 3: the window to the shoulders.
1:16:39
Speaker 2: Even then, if you're in decent shape, it's still sexier
1:16:43
Speaker 2: than a woman's back, you know, at least from the
1:16:45
Speaker 2: perspective of a woman who is attracted to men. But
1:16:49
Speaker 2: and and since I'm also attracted to women, you know,
1:16:52
Speaker 2: like I there are different areas of a woman that
1:16:55
Speaker 2: I find attractive than areas of a man. So but
1:16:58
Speaker 2: in any case, Yeah, the term became associated with specific
1:17:03
Speaker 2: type of undershirt after a nineteen forty seven case where
1:17:05
Speaker 2: a man arrested for beating his wife was pictured wearing
1:17:08
Speaker 2: a white undershirt. Yeah, but in any case, yeah, I
1:17:16
Speaker 2: think that it's still it's still really really that they
1:17:24
Speaker 2: referred to her tank top as a wife beater.
1:17:26
Speaker 3: Anyway, we've got off on many times.
1:17:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll read a little bit more of this
1:17:31
Speaker 2: and then we will close out for the Patreon only
1:17:34
Speaker 2: after show. And I've been going through a interesting conversation
1:17:38
Speaker 2: on the Patreon are now only after show. I'll explain
1:17:41
Speaker 2: a little bit more about that after this next couple
1:17:43
Speaker 2: of paragraphs. I think there is actually there's a We'll
1:17:47
Speaker 2: stop at the picture and then I'll know next week
1:17:51
Speaker 2: to start at that picture. Let's see. Yeah, they so
1:17:54
Speaker 2: they told her she was on twenty four to seven
1:17:56
Speaker 2: and had difficulty. She had difficulty accepting that, right, And
1:18:00
Speaker 2: of course what got us started on this was talking
1:18:03
Speaker 2: about feminists pushing for women to have all this time
1:18:06
Speaker 2: off and all these caterings to their needs, their work
1:18:10
Speaker 2: life balance needs in their workplace. But the most prominent,
1:18:15
Speaker 2: whether it's the biggest or the oldest, it is the
1:18:17
Speaker 2: most prominent, the most widely known organization for feminist women
1:18:21
Speaker 2: in the United States, doesn't do that for the women
1:18:24
Speaker 2: that work for the organization. Apparently. Additionally, Nuna said she
1:18:29
Speaker 2: repeatedly faced heated questions from some board members about her
1:18:32
Speaker 2: decision making and pressure to quickly resolve long standing issues
1:18:36
Speaker 2: at the organization that she inherited as president, which we
1:18:40
Speaker 2: kind of covered by talking about the CEO issue, like
1:18:43
Speaker 2: this is pretty much par for the course. If you
1:18:46
Speaker 2: become the CEO of an organization that asked you to
1:18:50
Speaker 2: be the CEO because the previous CEO created a bunch
1:18:53
Speaker 2: of problems and then went could put or they got
1:18:56
Speaker 2: rid of them that then you're going to be asked
1:18:59
Speaker 2: to solve them all immediately. It's it's kind of an
1:19:02
Speaker 2: expected thing and you have to either be able to
1:19:04
Speaker 2: put the cabage to that or whether it This questioning
1:19:06
Speaker 2: extended to Nuna's efforts to improve now's financial management process processes,
1:19:12
Speaker 2: she said. Nuna's, who has a Master of Business Administration degree,
1:19:17
Speaker 2: said she brought in a third party financial controller to
1:19:20
Speaker 2: provide checks and balances to the financial management and to
1:19:24
Speaker 2: address needs like the group's account reconciliation. This sounds like
1:19:28
Speaker 2: a problem with the government.
1:19:30
Speaker 4: This is exactly so she she doged them and they
1:19:34
Speaker 4: got mad.
1:19:35
Speaker 2: As a result, Nuna said she saw constant attacking of
1:19:38
Speaker 2: her credibility and leadership. She she doged them, and they
1:19:42
Speaker 2: they the women bitched because she took actual control of
1:19:47
Speaker 2: the purse strings. She made them account for their spending, just.
1:19:52
Speaker 3: The way that life goes down moving through way too,
1:19:55
Speaker 3: so that songs just jumped.
1:20:00
Speaker 2: Have to think about that. But in any case, it's
1:20:02
Speaker 2: just kind of funny to me that the women's organization
1:20:06
Speaker 2: got mad because their president added a little accountability to
1:20:11
Speaker 2: the process of spending in their organization. Wonder how much
1:20:15
Speaker 2: fraud was going was taking place there. So Terry O'Neil,
1:20:18
Speaker 2: who served as president of NOW from twenty nine to
1:20:21
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, told the Nineteen because she witnessed some of
1:20:23
Speaker 2: this behavior firsthand. O'Neill and Nuna's first connected after Nuna's
1:20:27
Speaker 2: became president. Nunas asked O'Neill to join her presidential Advisory Committee,
1:20:32
Speaker 2: which gave her access to communications and meetings between Nuna's
1:20:36
Speaker 2: and Now's bored O'Neil noted that she has personally impressed
1:20:40
Speaker 2: with how Nuna's handled the finances. After about four quarters,
1:20:43
Speaker 2: we started getting financial reports that had graphs and charts
1:20:46
Speaker 2: and were so clear and easy to understand, and you
1:20:49
Speaker 2: could just breeze through the financial reports, O'Neill said. I
1:20:53
Speaker 2: was like, Wow, this woman is for real. So all
1:20:55
Speaker 2: this time they didn't have that, Like how were they
1:20:57
Speaker 2: keeping were they using in abacus in the basement? But
1:21:00
Speaker 2: I just I just picturely she reavamped the entire organization
1:21:05
Speaker 2: with lotus. I'm sorry about that, or oh, what's the
1:21:08
Speaker 2: what's the popular packs software that just like went belly up.
1:21:13
Speaker 2: She made spreadsheets and graphs and stuff. After about four
1:21:17
Speaker 2: years we started getting financial report and reports that had
1:21:20
Speaker 2: graphs and charts or four quarters. Sorry, So this organization
1:21:24
Speaker 2: has been around since nineteen sixty six. They had those
1:21:27
Speaker 2: kind of things. By the way, in nineteen sixty six
1:21:29
Speaker 2: you just did it on paper. You didn't have you
1:21:31
Speaker 2: had to draw it you know, like there was their
1:21:33
Speaker 2: computers and there was computer software, but not everybody had
1:21:36
Speaker 2: something that that sophisticated. But they did have. Like accounting
1:21:40
Speaker 2: has existed for a very long time, as long as
1:21:43
Speaker 2: there's been business. This is insane. But on multiple occasions
1:21:46
Speaker 2: O'Neil said, I just can't get past this. I'm sorry
1:21:50
Speaker 2: they had they had all that time in their financial reports.
1:21:56
Speaker 2: I just were they writing them on stone tablets. But
1:21:58
Speaker 2: on multiple occasions O'Neil said, you had to pop off
1:22:01
Speaker 2: and call board members out for what she viewed as
1:22:03
Speaker 2: flat out racism against newness. I never experienced the level
1:22:07
Speaker 2: of hostility and sustained hostility that Christian experienced. O'Neill said,
1:22:12
Speaker 2: you want people to criticize you. You need that as
1:22:14
Speaker 2: a president because it makes you better. But if you
1:22:16
Speaker 2: are gratuitously attacked, all it does is raise your cortisol levels.
1:22:20
Speaker 2: It's very bad for your health, pushes your blood pressure up.
1:22:23
Speaker 3: Okay, so the plot thickens. It wasn't racism by Darling.
1:22:27
Speaker 3: You deigned to try and be efficient, Yeah, in trimming
1:22:35
Speaker 3: the fat, so to speak, and you can't. You can't.
1:22:38
Speaker 3: You can't just trim the fat when it comes to
1:22:43
Speaker 3: non government organizations. Is the is the n O W
1:22:48
Speaker 3: and it sounds like one.
1:22:50
Speaker 2: It sounds it's not a governmental organization, so it is
1:22:54
Speaker 2: it has to be considered a non government.
1:22:56
Speaker 3: Sounds like the kind of thing that would benefit from
1:22:59
Speaker 3: USA or so the analogous to it. So, yeah, it wasn't.
1:23:03
Speaker 3: It wasn't racism. You tried to slim line what the
1:23:08
Speaker 3: organization was actually doing, and that's why they ousted you.
1:23:12
Speaker 3: But you still couldn't help yourself. You had to lead
1:23:16
Speaker 3: with they hate me because I'm.
1:23:17
Speaker 2: Black, yep, not because they were doing their financial reports
1:23:22
Speaker 2: with a Ouija board last year and this year you're
1:23:25
Speaker 2: actually using accounting software and actually demonstrating where the money
1:23:30
Speaker 2: went so they can keep track of who's spending what
1:23:33
Speaker 2: on what like. Really, for the next next week, your
1:23:38
Speaker 2: homework is to think of the most outlandish way the
1:23:41
Speaker 2: National Organization for Women might have been doing their accounting
1:23:45
Speaker 2: before the lady that actually knew what she was doing
1:23:48
Speaker 2: came along.
1:23:49
Speaker 4: I can't get over this that we actually had charts
1:23:53
Speaker 4: and graphs. You guys don't understand. My family ran a
1:23:56
Speaker 4: business for years. They had a photography business, and you know.
1:24:00
Speaker 2: Even just the the simple accounting that you do for
1:24:04
Speaker 2: a one family business. If you didn't actually use some
1:24:08
Speaker 2: sort of software or work with an accountant, deal with
1:24:12
Speaker 2: some accountability, you end up in jail. So it just
1:24:15
Speaker 2: blows my mind that they were mad at her for
1:24:19
Speaker 2: instilling accounting and accountability with regard to their spending. How
1:24:24
Speaker 2: does this organization survive? Like? What do their board meetings
1:24:28
Speaker 2: look like? Seances? Or maybe it's a.
1:24:33
Speaker 3: How does the number seven make you feel? That's what
1:24:37
Speaker 3: it came down to.
1:24:39
Speaker 5: Don't ask how much we spent on travel last year,
1:24:43
Speaker 5: and don't ask where we went there was there was
1:24:45
Speaker 5: very good reason for going to that island that has
1:24:49
Speaker 5: male prostitution, young male prostitution.
1:24:52
Speaker 2: We didn't. We went there for something else. Just don't ask.
1:24:56
Speaker 2: We did an episode a while back on female sex tourism.
1:25:00
Speaker 2: Really repulsive stuff to look at, very repulsive information actually,
1:25:04
Speaker 2: but yeah, I just so for the next week. Uh,
1:25:08
Speaker 2: you know, comment below and tell us what you think.
1:25:11
Speaker 2: What what bizarre strange method, just totally unorthodox method since
1:25:17
Speaker 2: they were not using normal accounting practices to keep track
1:25:20
Speaker 2: of their finances. What what was the national organization doing
1:25:24
Speaker 2: with their money? And how did they they keep track
1:25:27
Speaker 2: of their budget before Noon's came along and taught to
1:25:29
Speaker 2: them how to use numbers, and everybody got mad at
1:25:32
Speaker 2: her for it. But in the meantime, see, we don't
1:25:35
Speaker 2: have any any super Chow, super chats or rumble rants
1:25:38
Speaker 2: that I can see. So if there is something like
1:25:42
Speaker 2: in the back room that I can't see, then Brian's
1:25:46
Speaker 2: gonna have to let me know. But I think usually
1:25:49
Speaker 2: there if it gone through, it's visible in the restream
1:25:53
Speaker 2: chat which I have up, and I can see it,
1:25:55
Speaker 2: or if it's a super Chow, it's visible in our
1:25:58
Speaker 2: discord chat and I can see it. But there is
1:26:00
Speaker 2: nothing so well for anybody gets in the last minute
1:26:03
Speaker 2: one that that that post until after we leave it.
1:26:06
Speaker 3: Was Leutricia McNeil. Ain't that just the way?
1:26:09
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, right, yeah, Now I know what you're talking about.
1:26:17
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about, but I'm not going
1:26:18
Speaker 2: to sing it because I'm not in really good shape
1:26:20
Speaker 2: right now. It is allergy season, which means for me
1:26:23
Speaker 2: in Ohio a four fifths of the year. But I
1:26:27
Speaker 2: refused to move on. Too many friends and family here
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1:26:33
Speaker 2: I've been I've been going through a conversation I had
1:26:36
Speaker 2: with Grock on X and that's actually the previous incarnation
1:26:40
Speaker 2: of GROC before the one that we have now, and
1:26:42
Speaker 2: I've I've started to figure out that the way that
1:26:46
Speaker 2: GROC responds to you indicates some interesting things about how
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Speaker 2: it gathers its information, forms its conclusions that it's going
1:26:55
Speaker 2: to tell you when you're you're asking about subject matter
1:26:58
Speaker 2: and feeding it information, and how it incorporates that new
1:27:02
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1:27:07
Speaker 2: been going through that conversation in the patren Only After
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1:27:15
Speaker 2: my part of the conversation does and what I intended
1:27:19
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1:27:30
Speaker 2: and it's it's the guys have been pretty interested in it.
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's that much of it left, because
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Speaker 2: we're pretty pretty good part of the way through it,
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1:28:50
Speaker 2: with that, I will thank everybody for listening, and thanks
1:28:53
Speaker 2: Mike for going through this article with me. It's a
1:28:56
Speaker 2: bit of a nutty situation and I think there's a
1:28:58
Speaker 2: lot hidden in there.
1:29:00
Speaker 3: But to what we're saying, just a bunch of pleasant trees.
1:29:03
Speaker 2: I just a bunch of pleasant trees. Those are good.
1:29:05
Speaker 2: We get a lot of bullshit here, so pleasant trees
1:29:07
Speaker 2: are the best. And thanks thanks to the dose in charge,
1:29:11
Speaker 2: Brian Martinez for doing the background work where I just
1:29:14
Speaker 2: have not kept up with the technology and I probably
1:29:16
Speaker 2: won't get an opportunity to do so for at least
1:29:19
Speaker 2: a few months, based on the way things are going
1:29:21
Speaker 2: with my regular job. So there we go. We will
1:29:24
Speaker 2: see you all next Thursday. Good Night,