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Speaker 1: It's the Bulk report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight. Donald Trump promised five months ago to end all wars.
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Speaker 2: Now is fighting his own magabase by helping Israel fightt Iran.
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Speaker 2: Plus a new survey shows Ministralians don't think our courts
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Speaker 2: treated us equally. Some groups get kid gloves the Abezi
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Speaker 2: government's latest wild green scheme and what you're paying for it.
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Speaker 2: Plenty more as well. But first to the big one.
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Speaker 2: Humiliation today for Anthony Albanzi and a disaster for Australia.
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Speaker 2: Humiliation for a prime minister is no personal connection with
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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump, who's rejected Trump's demands for more
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Speaker 2: defense spending, and big surprise, now gets treated like dirt.
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Speaker 2: Abz is meeting tomorrow with Trump at the Geese of
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Speaker 2: a meeting in Canada has been canceled with zero warning,
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Speaker 2: just a post from trump'spite our spokesman now because of
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Speaker 2: the war in the Middle East. Trump was flying back
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Speaker 2: to Washington after today's official G seven dinner, to which
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Speaker 2: Albanizi was not invited. You probably see what I see,
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Speaker 2: and I have to be back here as soon as
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Speaker 2: they can and have dinner when dead these wonderful leaders.
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Speaker 3: And then I get.
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Speaker 2: On a plane. I have to be back early. As
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Speaker 2: now true, Trump does have a war in his hands,
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Speaker 2: and going home so fast suggests that war could get
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Speaker 2: much worse, very fast, much worse for Iran. Now bear
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Speaker 2: in mind that, unlike Trump, Albanezi has refused to back
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Speaker 2: this war to destroy Iran's nuclear program, which might be
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Speaker 2: another reason for Trump not to care what Albanezi thinks.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: Albanize did put out a statement saying Trump rushing back
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Speaker 2: to Washington was of course understandable, but as a Liberal
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Speaker 2: front bench of Dave Sharma, a former ambassador to Israel,
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Speaker 2: put it, this is an abject failure of Australian diplomacy.
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Speaker 2: Albanese is not managed to meet President Trump. But more importantly,
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Speaker 2: this cancelation could be a disaster for Australia because it
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Speaker 2: leaves us in even more danger of losing our submarine fleet,
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Speaker 2: just when the threat from China makes that absolutely critical
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Speaker 2: that we don't. Albanezy was counting on his first meeting
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Speaker 2: with Trump to raise two issues, in particular Trump's new
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Speaker 2: tariffs on our exports to US, Trump to give us
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Speaker 2: a break. The most important was to ask Trump to
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Speaker 2: respect the orcatteal between Australia, America and Britain and sell
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Speaker 2: US three of its nuclear submarines to replace our very
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Speaker 2: old diesel ones. Without those American subs, we could have
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Speaker 2: nothing fit to use in the next decade to protect
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Speaker 2: our sea lanes, just when China is threatening war. Now,
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Speaker 2: the reason America might now back out is that it
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Speaker 2: also feels threatened by China, which now has four hundred
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Speaker 2: naval ships to America's two hundred ninety three. And the
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Speaker 2: one thing giving America the edge there are submarines, but
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Speaker 2: it's not building enough of them to replace its old ones.
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Speaker 2: And there's now a review in the US by the
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Speaker 2: Undersecretary of Defense for Policy to see whether it can
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Speaker 2: even afford to sell Australia submarines it may need itself now.
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Speaker 2: ALBN Easy so far pretended this is all just a
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Speaker 2: tick in the box exercise that you would expect from
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Speaker 2: a new government, and early today claimed that this exchange
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Speaker 2: of the G seven between Trump and British prominence the
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Speaker 2: key of Starva suggests these submarines, our submarine sales this
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Speaker 2: part of the Orchest deal that's going to sail through. Yep,
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Speaker 2: we're proceeding with that. It's a really important deal to
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Speaker 2: both of this. I think the person that was doing
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Speaker 2: a review, we did a review when we came into governments,
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Speaker 2: so that makes good sense to me. But it's a
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Speaker 2: really important.
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Speaker 5: We're very long time for partners and allies and friends,
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Speaker 5: and we've become friends in a short period of time.
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Speaker 2: In fact, as you heard, Trump was making no commitments.
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Speaker 2: Wink is as good as a nod to a desperate
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Speaker 2: prime minister.
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Speaker 3: I'm confident that all three nations will continue to provide
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Speaker 3: support for it. The sum of one past one past
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Speaker 3: one sometimes equals more than three, and it certainly does
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Speaker 3: that in this case.
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Speaker 2: But let me now show you something that's not been
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Speaker 2: reported in Australia, and it shows that our submarine deal
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Speaker 2: with the US is in real trouble. America's Secretary for
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Speaker 2: the Navy is John Feelin. He's a big fan of
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Speaker 2: aucas but even he now fears that America may not
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Speaker 2: have enough submarines to spare three of them for Australia.
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Speaker 2: He last week gave this evidence to the US Armed
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Speaker 2: Services Committee that the US Navy shipbuilding plans were shambles
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Speaker 2: and Australia could pay.
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Speaker 6: All of our programs are a mess. To be honest,
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Speaker 6: we are behind schedule and overbudget. I think our best
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Speaker 6: performing one is six months late and fifty seven percent
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Speaker 6: over budget. Submarines are our critical asymmetric advantage, and obviously
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Speaker 6: Australia and the United Kingdom are our closest allies and
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Speaker 6: in particularly in undersea domain. My immediate concern is going
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Speaker 6: to the Navy is to improve our submarine production rate
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Speaker 6: and our maintenance throughput so that we can make sure
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Speaker 6: that we are meeting all of our commitments, our internal
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Speaker 6: commitments and then any future arcust commitments. But I need
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Speaker 6: to do that without making sure we're sacrificing any combat
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Speaker 6: capability for the combatant commanders that we need in the
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Speaker 6: Western Pacific.
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Speaker 2: And now Albanize still can't get a meeting with Trump
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Speaker 2: to persuade him to sell us those subs. In fact,
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Speaker 2: Trump is landing home right now while in Canada with
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Speaker 2: free It seems that Albaneze still doesn't count enough for
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Speaker 2: Trump to squeeze in the meeting. And the longer well
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Speaker 2: this go, you know Albaniz, he goes on backsteping Israel,
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Speaker 2: rejecting America, MARDs suspend even more in our defense. The
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Speaker 2: more Albaniz. He looks like an unreliable friend who can't
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Speaker 2: be trusted with American submarines anyway. Now, sure, most experts
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Speaker 2: say it should all come good in the end, we'll
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Speaker 2: get those subs. But if it doesn't come good, if
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Speaker 2: we're kept in the cold like Albanize now here in Canada,
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Speaker 2: we're in huge trouble. Now. Donald Trump just piled on
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Speaker 2: the pressure for Iran to surrender or have its nuclear
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Speaker 2: weapon sites blown to bits. He hasn't just rushed back
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Speaker 2: to Washington early from the G seven meeting in Canada.
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Speaker 2: Has also sent two aircraft carry groups to the Mediterranean,
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Speaker 2: plus about thirty big aircraft refueling tankers which are needed
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Speaker 2: to keep American fighters in the air, and long missions
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Speaker 2: have be sent to European bases. Trump has also spread
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Speaker 2: panic in Iran with a warning that it cannot have
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Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon and the ten million people in Iran's capital,
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Speaker 2: Tehran should immediate evacuate the city, which the pack roads
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Speaker 2: there now suggest well many are doing exactly that, as
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Speaker 2: if they really do think the city's about to be flattened.
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Speaker 2: In fact, Trump has now posted a blast that French
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Speaker 2: President Emanuel Macron for suggesting is rushed home just to
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Speaker 2: stop the fighting. He said. Publicity seeking President Emanuel Macron
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Speaker 2: mistakenly said that I left the G seven summon in
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Speaker 2: Canada to go back to DC to work on a
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Speaker 2: cease fire between Israel and Iran. Wrong. He has no
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Speaker 2: idea why I'm now on my way to Washington. But
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Speaker 2: it certainly has nothing to do with the ceasefire. Much
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Speaker 2: bigger than that, whether purposely or not. Emmanuel always gets
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Speaker 2: it wrong. Stay tuned now. I don't know what he means.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone does. But for all the
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Speaker 2: Trump talk, let's not forget it's actually Israel that is
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Speaker 2: doing all the fighting so far, and it's Israel taking
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Speaker 2: all the hits from Iranian missiles. But Trump knows Israel cannot. Now.
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Speaker 2: This is It's once in a generation chance to destroy
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Speaker 2: Iran's program to build the nuclear bombs that could use
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Speaker 2: to wipe out tiny Israel. And right now Israel's air
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Speaker 2: force controls the skies over Iran, and it might not
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Speaker 2: get this chance again to use this freedom to bomb
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Speaker 2: military and nuclear targets all over Iran, and to bomb
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Speaker 2: propaganda sites as well, like Iranian state television interrupt them
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Speaker 2: mid Rant.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, happy, happy, But Israel does still need Trump.
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Speaker 2: It needs American warships to help down Uranian missiles. Most
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Speaker 2: of all, that needs Trump's biggest bunker buster bomb, the
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Speaker 2: only one in the world, like to destroy the nuclear
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Speaker 2: weapon sites that Iran is very deep underground now, you
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Speaker 2: know around Israel's caused a lot of damage at sites
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Speaker 2: like Natan's, knocking out the electricity to player there, might
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Speaker 2: have wrecked the fourteen thousand centrifuges underground, but it needs
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Speaker 2: to make sure and this war cannot be ended with
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Speaker 2: the nuclear threats still there around the leaders meanwhile, they're
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Speaker 2: so frightened they've asked Trump's allies Qatar, Saudi Arabia, man,
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Speaker 2: please give us immediate cease. Far will be it now?
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Speaker 2: Be flexible? You know, it knows it's deeply unpopular with
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Speaker 2: the Rani and people. For a start, many of its
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Speaker 2: military leaders have been assassinated in Israeli strikes, but around
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Speaker 2: US talk for years and never stopped working on its
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Speaker 2: nuclear bombs. It's really going to have to destroy the
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Speaker 2: sites itself to convince the US, And even then would
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Speaker 2: it even convince Israel. They're just what the US might
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Speaker 2: now do. Trump still won't say.
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Speaker 8: What would it take for the US to get involved
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Speaker 8: in this conflict militarily?
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Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about that. Well, either way,
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Speaker 2: whatever the Mullah's, the Ayu Tolas of Iran have a
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Speaker 2: choice to either lose the hard way or the easy way.
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Speaker 2: But either way, this deeply unpopular regime, this massive funder
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Speaker 2: is terrorism, faces collapse. And for that, and despite all
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Speaker 2: the hatred Israel gets, it's Israel we must think, and
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Speaker 2: Trump too, it seems. Joining me is Peter Jennings, a
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Speaker 2: former Deputy Secretary for Strategy in the Defense Department, now
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Speaker 2: Director of Strategic Analysis Australia. Peter always good to see.
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Speaker 2: What do you now expect to happen in this war?
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Speaker 9: Well, the US is giving itself an option to launch
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Speaker 9: military operations against Iran, I think in the next week
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Speaker 9: or so. Andrew, I think if they choose to go
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Speaker 9: down that path of the first and most obvious target
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Speaker 9: will be those deeply buried clear facilities at FORDAU, for
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Speaker 9: which those bunker busting bombs are apparently the thing that's necessary,
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Speaker 9: although actually I think that the Israelis probably have more
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Speaker 9: subtle means to disrupt them. But it seems to me
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Speaker 9: looking at the movement of the carrier battle groups and
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Speaker 9: in particular those there to wear refuelers into Europe, what
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Speaker 9: that's telling me is that the Americans are now very
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Speaker 9: seriously considering being part of a strike option. I don't
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Speaker 9: think they'll go more broadly than the nuclear facilities and
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Speaker 9: perhaps some missile facilities. They'll leave it to Israel to
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Speaker 9: go after the military high command and the political leadership
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Speaker 9: of the country. But I agree with your editorial. There
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Speaker 9: is no way to go back to negotiation at this point,
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Speaker 9: no way to trust the Iranians after decades of their
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Speaker 9: own duplicity on this issue in terms of building nuclear capabilities.
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Speaker 9: How the United States needs to follow Israel's lead and
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Speaker 9: consolidate this result, which means that Iran cannot have, as
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Speaker 9: Trump says, a nuclear weapon, and maybe that leads to
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Speaker 9: regime change, maybe it doesn't, But I think that's what
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Speaker 9: the Americans will be focused on in the next five
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Speaker 9: or six days.
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Speaker 2: See, I was always in doubt whether Trump was pretending
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Speaker 2: in you all along about this and going along with
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Speaker 2: the Israeli strike on Iran. Didn't want to see in
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Speaker 2: the darker follower events or you know, was he really
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Speaker 2: backing Israel? I think, like you said, by moving all
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Speaker 2: these forces, the ECRA carrier groups and the Heed of
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Speaker 2: air refuelers suggest that it is part of a plan.
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Speaker 2: But the Albanies government has refused to back Israel's attack
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Speaker 2: on the Iranian nuclear sites like Trump clearly is it
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Speaker 2: says no, no, this should be settled with negotiations. Was
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Speaker 2: that really possible? Do you think I think there's an
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Speaker 2: excuse for this kind of pusillanimous you know, ringing of
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Speaker 2: hands by this government.
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Speaker 9: Yes, I mean it is pusillanimous. It's resorting to diplomatic
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Speaker 9: language which no longer has meaning or substance in the
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Speaker 9: context of the conflict which is currently unfolding. You know, Trump,
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Speaker 9: after years of trying, after several American administrations of trying,
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Speaker 9: and after Trump gave the Iranians five rounds of talks
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Speaker 9: over sixty days to try and demonstrate that they were
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Speaker 9: prepared to verifiably give up their nuclear capability, they refuse
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Speaker 9: to do so. And now we're at a point where,
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Speaker 9: you know, Israel is probably sixty or seventy percent into
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Speaker 9: a decisive military campaign to destroy that capability, and our
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Speaker 9: government is saying, oh, let's go back to the negotiation table.
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Speaker 9: All that would do is give them all as time
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Speaker 9: to reconstitute, to re establish senior military and coulds force leadership,
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Speaker 9: and to try to go back to building that nuclear program.
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Speaker 2: That's not the right answer.
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Speaker 9: Sometimes military operations have to be given the scope to
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Speaker 9: actually move to their intended target. I think Trump now
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Speaker 9: realizes that point. Like you, Andrew, I wasn't sure that
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Speaker 9: he would actually back the Israelis, but I think he
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Speaker 9: now understands that's what he needs to do, based on
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Speaker 9: his direct experience of Iranian failure and.
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Speaker 1: Direct experience of Israeli success.
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Speaker 9: He wouldn't be contemplating this if the Israelis hadn't made
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Speaker 9: a marvelous success of their attack on Ran. But that's
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Speaker 9: where we're at now, and so I think we are
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Speaker 9: locked into further military operations and Australian handbringing about that
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Speaker 9: just shows that we really are not seriously in the
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Speaker 9: strategy business any longer.
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Speaker 2: And finally, the Prime Minister's failure to get a meeting
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Speaker 2: with Trump in Canada, how serious is that?
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Speaker 9: It's absolutely serious for us for a long term, dependable ally.
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Speaker 9: Trump could have found twenty minutes for Anthony Albanesi today.
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Speaker 9: He could even have said, get on Air Force one
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Speaker 9: with me and we'll talk about it and fly to Washington, DC.
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Speaker 9: He chose not to do that. That demonstrates to me
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Speaker 9: that Trump has no time for Albanzi. He has complete despair, frankly,
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Speaker 9: at our government's failure to take our own defense interest seriously.
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Speaker 9: And I think this is going to be reflected in
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Speaker 9: that thirty day ORCST review, the results of which is
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Speaker 9: now going to come out without any Australian attempt by
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Speaker 9: our Prime minister to try and shape that review. It's
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Speaker 9: a really bad outcome, but I think one that Albanesi
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Speaker 9: in some respects actually wants because it means he can
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Speaker 9: do less on defense and look strong standing up to
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Speaker 9: the President Trump. Maybe that's the objective that Albanese's trying
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Speaker 9: to achieve for himself.
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Speaker 2: Well, I fear, Peter, it would also be an excuse
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Speaker 2: for him to continue to appease China. You can't fight China,
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Speaker 2: we don't have subsilar and I think that would suit
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Speaker 2: his natural inclinations. Peter Jennings, thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: your time. I find it's all so frightening, honestly, what
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Speaker 2: is going on I don't feel that we've got people
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Speaker 2: that are in charge of anything. Donald Trump backing Israel's
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Speaker 2: war is enraging many of his hardline mega supporters, the
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Speaker 2: make America Great Again hardliners who bought this promise that
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Speaker 2: Trump made just five months ago to stop all wars.
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Speaker 5: Our power will stop all wars and bring a new
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Speaker 5: spirit of unity to a world that has been angry,
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Speaker 5: violent and totally unpredictable.
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Speaker 2: Instead, you can see the war in Ukraine's still rages,
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Speaker 2: and now influential mega supporters they are attacking Trump for
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Speaker 2: backing Israel's attack on Iran. Now at Tucker Carlson, an
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Speaker 2: unhinged pro putin toady who campaigned for Trump, posted to
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Speaker 2: his sixteen million followers on x that the real divide
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Speaker 2: isn't between people who support Israel and people who support
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Speaker 2: Iran or the Palestinians. The real divide is between those
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Speaker 2: who casually encourage violence and those who seek to prevent it,
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Speaker 2: between warmongers and peacemakers.
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Speaker 6: I am saying this because I'm really afraid that my
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Speaker 6: country's going to be further weakened by this.
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Speaker 2: I think we're going to see the end of American
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Speaker 2: empire Trump hit back, posting, somebody please explain to KOOKI
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Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. And
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Speaker 2: that's after pretending he didn't know what Carlson said.
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Speaker 4: I don't know what Tucker Carlson is saying.
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Speaker 10: Let him go get a television network and say it
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Speaker 10: so that people listen.
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Speaker 2: But one of Trump's fiercest and nuttiest mega supporters in
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Speaker 2: the House of Representatives, Marjorie Taylor Green, has now told
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Speaker 2: her five million followers that Carlson is one of my
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Speaker 2: favorite people. And foreign wars, intervention, regime change put America
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Speaker 2: last killed innocent people. I'm making us broke and will
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Speaker 2: ultimately lead to our destruction. That's not kooky. That's what
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Speaker 2: millions of Americans have voted for. Joining me is Sean Spicer,
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's first White House spokesman, Sean Spice is great
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Speaker 2: to see you. Donald Trump has cut shortest time at
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Speaker 2: the G seven meeting, which means our Prime Minister missus
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Speaker 2: his scheduled meeting tomorrow the very first. What's changing the
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Speaker 2: schedule that is ditching the G seven so quickly? Is
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Speaker 2: it in patients with the forum or is it this war?
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Speaker 2: What is it.
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Speaker 5: Well, everything that I'm made aware of right now, And
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Speaker 5: again I can't say I've talked to the President or anyone,
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Speaker 5: but my understanding is that it all has to do
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Speaker 5: with what's going on in the Middle East. Obviously, you know,
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Speaker 5: we're on a razor's edge when it comes to Iran
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Speaker 5: and Israel, and there's a lot of lives at stake,
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Speaker 5: a lot of potential peace at steak. So I think
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Speaker 5: that's where the President's attention should be right now. And
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Speaker 5: I have a feeling most of the folks in the
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Speaker 5: G seven are well aware of the current situation, how
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Speaker 5: tenuous it is at best. As you know from public
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Speaker 5: statements that the President's made on social media, he is
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Speaker 5: determined to get a deal the Iranians, surprisingly, and I look,
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Speaker 5: I'm a little skeptical of this, just to be completely
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Speaker 5: upfront about it, but the Iranians I think are very
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Speaker 5: concerned or at least acting concerned, and want a deal.
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Speaker 5: And I've never seen them beg to get back to
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Speaker 5: the table as much as they have in the past
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Speaker 5: eighteen hours or so.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you point that out, because at the
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Speaker 2: very time time that they're desperately doing that you've had
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump actually posting on truth social warning to Iranians
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Speaker 2: to get out of Tehran. What's that about?
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Speaker 5: Well, look, I mean one look, when it comes to
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Speaker 5: Donald Trump, I think you always the beauty of the
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Speaker 5: way he negotiates is you don't know what's a threat
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Speaker 5: and what's real, and that's what keeps people on edge.
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Speaker 4: Right now.
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Speaker 5: I think, again this is just open source, but there's
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Speaker 5: a very well known understanding that if the US supplies
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Speaker 5: Israel with these bunker busting bombs, and it was pointed
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Speaker 5: out today that that BBB is very different than the
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Speaker 5: Big Beautiful Bill, But if that happens, it's game over
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Speaker 5: for Iran. They I think are fundamentally understand the threat
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Speaker 5: that they face right now. They are one bomb away
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Speaker 5: from this regime being extinguished. And there's a big difference
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Speaker 5: between the leadership of Iran and the people of Iran,
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Speaker 5: who I think largely understand how oppressed they are and
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Speaker 5: would probably welcome regime change. And for those reasons, I
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Speaker 5: think the current You know, it's funny. I asked somebody
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Speaker 5: today who's gonna, you know, something about getting them back
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Speaker 5: to the table, and they said, Sean, just remember the
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Speaker 5: people that are coming to the table this week are
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Speaker 5: not the same people as last week, because those people
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Speaker 5: are dead.
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Speaker 4: And I think that really shows why Iran wants to
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Speaker 4: get back.
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Speaker 5: They recognize that they're not in the situation they were
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Speaker 5: just a few days ago.
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Speaker 2: But this is this is a really interesting thing. Sean
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Speaker 2: Trump has been claiming, well, he campaigned, you knows against wars.
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Speaker 2: Wars didn't break out in his first term. You know,
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Speaker 2: if he was there, there'd be no wars. Now it
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Speaker 2: seems that he is behind israel attack in Iran, might
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Speaker 2: even join Israel's attack in Iran. What's going on? Is
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Speaker 2: he for this war? Has he been dragged into this
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Speaker 2: war as he pretended to be for a war that
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Speaker 2: he didn't know was going to happen? Is what has
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Speaker 2: changed his mind? That it's making these sounds like you
21:38
Speaker 2: could be behind it now.
21:41
Speaker 4: Well, respectfully, I don't. I don't agree with you on that.
21:44
Speaker 5: This to me is a tactic. It's a tactic to
21:47
Speaker 5: achieve peace, to achieve a non nuclear Iran.
21:51
Speaker 4: But he's playing hardball and if.
21:53
Speaker 5: You look at how he's operated all the time, this
21:55
Speaker 5: is he's not talking about putting US troops on the
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Speaker 5: ground or specific regime change. He's making it very clear
22:02
Speaker 5: to Iran that we will give the further green light
22:05
Speaker 5: to Israel to make these things happens. That's, I think,
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Speaker 5: a very different tactic than most US presidents in the past,
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Speaker 5: which have led with US intervention, led with US munitions
22:19
Speaker 5: and weaponry and service members. What he's doing is making
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Speaker 5: it very clear to Iran, you've backed me into a corner.
22:25
Speaker 5: I gave you an out. You kind of mocked this deal,
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Speaker 5: you walked away from this deal. But I'm going to
22:30
Speaker 5: put it back on the table one more time for
22:32
Speaker 5: you because now you have a much bigger understanding of
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Speaker 5: what I'm allowing to happen.
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Speaker 2: This is actually putting him at odds with people claiming
22:40
Speaker 2: to speak for the Mega base, the Mega America Great
22:43
Speaker 2: Again base, People like Tucker Carlson, who campaigned for Donald
22:46
Speaker 2: Trump at the election, says the US should not be
22:49
Speaker 2: part of this war in Iran. Candice owns same thing.
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Speaker 2: Trump is beck at Carlson, posting that somebody please explain
22:57
Speaker 2: to Kouki Tucker Carlson that he ran don't have a
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Speaker 2: nuclear weapon. But how worried would Donald Trump be about
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Speaker 2: losing the Mega base?
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Speaker 1: See Andrew.
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Speaker 5: This is this is a fallacy that the media not
23:10
Speaker 5: you about it, because I know you've got your finger
23:13
Speaker 5: on this. But so many in America are trying to say, well,
23:15
Speaker 5: the megabase. Look, there's a division of some people, and
23:19
Speaker 5: that's healthy, that's good.
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Speaker 4: But you've got Mark Levan and Marjorie Taylor. I mean,
23:23
Speaker 4: it's all over the map. But here's where I think
23:25
Speaker 4: people are missing the point.
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Speaker 5: If Trump wanted to get into a war, he could
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Speaker 5: do it in eight seconds.
23:30
Speaker 4: He's not.
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Speaker 5: He's seeking an avenue which is non destruction, not war,
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Speaker 5: and saying to Iran you have a choice. But but
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Speaker 5: the for the for the Tucker Carlson's and uh and
23:45
Speaker 5: some of the others who are being going the complete
23:48
Speaker 5: opposite way.
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Speaker 4: Trump saying, what do you want me to do?
23:51
Speaker 5: Just let them develop a nuclear weapons so that then
23:53
Speaker 5: they can attack us. I'm giving them an option where
23:56
Speaker 5: there isn't destruction and potential regime change if they come
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Speaker 5: back to the table.
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Speaker 4: That is America first at its core.
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Speaker 2: Except of course, it has to be back by a
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Speaker 2: credible threat of force. And I think and I think
24:08
Speaker 2: it is we will be seeing well all the better.
24:12
Speaker 2: And I must say I thoroughly endorse what he said
24:15
Speaker 2: about Tucker Carson. The man is a kook, and I'm
24:18
Speaker 2: so glad that it's finally being called out. Sean Spicer,
24:21
Speaker 2: thank you so much, Really appreciate it.
24:24
Speaker 4: I always appreciate your time.
24:28
Speaker 2: Well after the break, if we're going to get serious
24:32
Speaker 2: about the China Challenge, we need to do a lot more.
24:35
Speaker 2: And it's just let's get better weapons. We got to
24:38
Speaker 2: stop wasting government money on stupid, stupid schemes like the
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Speaker 2: one I'm going to show you after this. If we're
24:50
Speaker 2: going to secure Australia's future from the China Challenge, it's
24:54
Speaker 2: this is far more than about war. Really, let's hope anyway.
24:58
Speaker 2: We need to get serious about getting richer and technologically
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Speaker 2: advanced because we're being lapped. You just take all the
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Speaker 2: fast speed just one example, the fast speed rail lines
25:07
Speaker 2: that China is built luxury It up to four hundred
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Speaker 2: kilometers an hour, and it's built these rail lines all
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Speaker 2: over China in just the last twenty years, and we
25:17
Speaker 2: still don't have even one. When we instead waste our
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Speaker 2: billions on green projects to pretend to stop global warming.
25:27
Speaker 2: And speaking of a few days ago, the OVENU is
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Speaker 2: a government both sort of its latest breakthrough and this supposed,
25:33
Speaker 2: you know, green energy revolution. The Deputy Prime Minister was
25:36
Speaker 2: there with a big grin at the opening of Australia's
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Speaker 2: first big public hydrogen station in Geelong where you can
25:44
Speaker 2: fill your truck or your car with this explosive new
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Speaker 2: green gas, which is exciting, except I then read this catch.
25:53
Speaker 2: The catch is what you are paying for this one
25:56
Speaker 2: single hydrogen refueling center in one Victorian town or city.
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Speaker 2: Thirty four million dollars that was from the albeneazy governments
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Speaker 2: Australian Renewable Energy Agency thirty four million plus another one
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Speaker 2: million from the Victorian government. Makes you wonder how desperate
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Speaker 2: a government has to be to spend so much on
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Speaker 2: so little to prove something that is doing might one
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Speaker 2: day work. Joining me, this is our Tuesday regular commentator
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Speaker 2: National ZMP Mat Canavan, the former Resources Minister, Matt, thanks
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Speaker 2: for your time again. How much sense does this make?
26:31
Speaker 2: Thirty five million in all from taxpayers just one hydrogen
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Speaker 2: filling station.
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Speaker 11: It's a complete load of nonsense, Sir Andrew, to wete
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Speaker 11: so much Australian taxpayer money on something that delivers so
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Speaker 11: little For Australians. Keep in mind, just last week we
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Speaker 11: heard from one of the very few producers of hydrogen
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Speaker 11: at the moment operating in Australia that hydrogen is still
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Speaker 11: costing around five times more than gas, five times more
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Speaker 11: than gas. So not only is the petrol the fuel,
27:05
Speaker 11: the hydrogen fueling station cost of fortune for taxpayers. If
27:09
Speaker 11: you were to actually come and fill up. And I
27:11
Speaker 11: don't know who has an hydrogen hydrogen car right now,
27:13
Speaker 11: but if you did have one and to fill up
27:15
Speaker 11: that he'd be paying five times the price of what
27:18
Speaker 11: you did at your local service station.
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Speaker 1: I mean, who is this.
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Speaker 11: Trying to help or benefit right now? When Australia has
27:25
Speaker 11: just too count them two oil refineries left in this country,
27:29
Speaker 11: shouldn't the priority be, particularly given the geopolitical circumstances we face,
27:34
Speaker 11: that we should seek to rebuild our declining oil production
27:40
Speaker 11: sector because that would give us real security as a nation.
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Speaker 11: I don't think we're going to see hydrogen fueled tanks
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Speaker 11: on the battlefield anytime soon. The joint strike fighters we
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Speaker 11: have brought from the United States are not fueled by hydrogen.
27:54
Speaker 11: And while we wait for the nuclear subs our Colon
27:56
Speaker 11: class submarines are also not fueled by hydrogen, and why
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Speaker 11: would we sit back and let just to let have
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Speaker 11: the circumstance of just two or refineries left while we
28:05
Speaker 11: waste billions of dollars upwards of fourteen billion dollars at
28:09
Speaker 11: the moment. This company's pumping in to a hydrogen strategy
28:12
Speaker 11: that has failed and should end.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, it's so crazy. They actually add to use some
28:17
Speaker 2: of the money to both actually buy the trucks they use.
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Speaker 2: Here's the hundred and filling station. That's how stupid the
28:23
Speaker 2: whole thing is this.
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Speaker 11: Now they call them commercial trucks, commercial trucks for the
28:27
Speaker 11: governors to buy them.
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Speaker 2: Oh, for goodness sake. But Matt, partly because of you,
28:34
Speaker 2: I am sure there is now a growing revolt against
28:37
Speaker 2: this net zero madness. I mean, you know that's the
28:40
Speaker 2: government's plan to cut our emissions through zero net by
28:43
Speaker 2: twenty fifty, when most of the rest of the world won't.
28:46
Speaker 2: In just the past couple of weeks you've had the
28:49
Speaker 2: Liberal Party's South Stream branch voting against keeping that net
28:53
Speaker 2: zero target, so did the Northern Territories Country Liberal Party branch,
28:58
Speaker 2: and now the New South Wales and neat, buddy branch.
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Speaker 2: Is that exactly the same. What does this tell you.
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Speaker 11: Well, it tells me thankfully. The gag has come off.
29:07
Speaker 11: The gag has come off for our own members and
29:10
Speaker 11: the broader public too. We've effectively been muzzled the last
29:13
Speaker 11: few years from stating the obvious that this their zero
29:17
Speaker 11: goal is unachievable and is costing us all an arm
29:19
Speaker 11: and a leg.
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Speaker 1: I've been involved in.
29:22
Speaker 11: Many party conventions and meetings very effectively not allowed to
29:25
Speaker 11: debate the issue because it might embarrass the politicians. Well,
29:29
Speaker 11: the politicians did a pretty good job of embarrassing themselves
29:32
Speaker 11: at the federal election this year.
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Speaker 1: We've got absolutely walloped.
29:35
Speaker 11: So our members are in no mood to take lectures
29:38
Speaker 11: from their perceived betters about what they should and should
29:41
Speaker 11: not debate. So I, for one, welcome this blossoming of democracy,
29:45
Speaker 11: of debate. I think we need a debate. I believe
29:48
Speaker 11: this train people should have a proper choice on whether
29:50
Speaker 11: we should completely change how we do everything, and I
29:54
Speaker 11: mean everything, how we grow food, how we transport it,
29:57
Speaker 11: how we make things, and of course how we produce electricity. Everything.
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Speaker 11: Should we do that within a generation? Is that a
30:03
Speaker 11: sensible thing?
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Speaker 1: To do. And you saw the Lower Institute poll just
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Speaker 1: this week.
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Speaker 11: It shows that there is not not honey, Only just
30:11
Speaker 11: over a third of Australians think that ninsera has made
30:13
Speaker 11: their life better. Another third thing it's made it worse,
30:17
Speaker 11: and the others are not even sure.
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Speaker 1: And that's before we've had a debate.
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Speaker 11: That's before net zero has had contact with a political enemy.
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Speaker 2: I'm shocked. Are you telling me one third of Australians
30:27
Speaker 2: still think that zero has made their life better. For
30:30
Speaker 2: goodness sake, we've just gone.
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Speaker 1: Through They may vote labor, that be, that's the well.
30:39
Speaker 2: Some people can't be told. But we've just gone through
30:42
Speaker 2: an election, Matt, where we had a government tell us
30:46
Speaker 2: that nuclear power was just un economic, it was useless,
30:50
Speaker 2: it was no good, it was so bad it had
30:52
Speaker 2: to be banned an the whole thing. Funnily enough, Matt,
30:56
Speaker 2: there's been a huge jump in the share prices of
30:58
Speaker 2: Australian uranium company. These are the past two days, between
31:02
Speaker 2: twenty and thirty percent. More. What's going on? Apparently some
31:05
Speaker 2: people don't believe our government when it says that uranium
31:08
Speaker 2: is no good or nuclear is no good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Well, one of the problems we seem to have Andrew
31:15
Speaker 11: is that this government seemed to find itself shot by
31:19
Speaker 11: news that.
31:19
Speaker 1: Should be well and truly expected.
31:22
Speaker 11: So that's likely on the hydrogen story you've just mentioned,
31:25
Speaker 11: clear that hydrogen's not working, why do they keep wasting money?
31:28
Speaker 11: And likewise here they maintain this ridiculous arguments against the
31:34
Speaker 11: Labor Party, maintain these ridiculous arguments against nuclear energy.
31:36
Speaker 1: It was very clear the rest of worlds moving towards it.
31:39
Speaker 11: In even the Amazon CEO the other day alongside the
31:42
Speaker 11: Prime ministers question why Australia is not jumping on the
31:46
Speaker 11: nuclear bandwagon. We're seeing all of these data centers around
31:49
Speaker 11: the world powered by reliable power. I don't see how
31:53
Speaker 11: we have a significant expansion of data centers in this
31:55
Speaker 11: country based on intermittent, weather dependent renewables.
31:58
Speaker 1: They need power all the time, they.
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Speaker 11: Cannot have any interruptions, and of course renew BLENDJI cannot
32:04
Speaker 11: be relied upon to deliver that. That's why Microsoft and Amazon,
32:09
Speaker 11: all of these companies are either using nuclear powerstations offered
32:12
Speaker 11: in North America or Europe, or they're even using coal
32:15
Speaker 11: fired powerstations in Asia to fund these data centers.
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Speaker 1: So just like the oil situation, Edward. Data is very important.
32:22
Speaker 11: It's part of national security now and we should be
32:25
Speaker 11: able to store our own data on our own big
32:28
Speaker 11: brown continent.
32:30
Speaker 1: But we won't be able to if we just rely
32:32
Speaker 1: on the weather.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've got to correct you, Matt. You said
32:36
Speaker 2: our new data centers. So the thing is, of course
32:38
Speaker 2: we will never get them because we don't have won't
32:41
Speaker 2: have that now that they need. That's the problem, Mat Canavan.
32:44
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. After the break, a new
32:47
Speaker 2: poll warns that Austraiers don't trust courts to treat all
32:51
Speaker 2: groups equally, just as Britain's learn britain to have learned
32:56
Speaker 2: that they were led to about if big frame games.
33:04
Speaker 2: There's been a frightening survey into whether Australians think the
33:07
Speaker 2: justice system is fair or whether some groups get treated
33:10
Speaker 2: better than others. Before I get to that, I'll illustrate
33:14
Speaker 2: the danger of this two tier stuff, a danger now
33:17
Speaker 2: exposed in Britain. I mentioned this last night. Since then,
33:21
Speaker 2: the Casey Report has been released as a government reported
33:24
Speaker 2: into Britain's grooming gang scandal, when one town after another
33:28
Speaker 2: rape gains mostly mayor of Pakistani and other Southern Asian background,
33:34
Speaker 2: men prayed on underage girls. There was this game in Rothsdale,
33:38
Speaker 2: for instance, or this one in Rotherham, or a grooming
33:42
Speaker 2: gang in Newcastle again many men of Pakistani background, and
33:46
Speaker 2: in Huddersfield, Oxford, Telford and Moore. And as I said
33:51
Speaker 2: last night, police and officials were not taking much action
33:55
Speaker 2: for fear of seeming racist, as even Labour's Home Secretary
33:59
Speaker 2: was I'm only forced to admit overnight.
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Speaker 8: And on the key issues of ethnicity that I'd asked
34:05
Speaker 8: her to examine, she has found continued failure to gather
34:09
Speaker 8: proper robust national data, despite concerns being raised going back
34:14
Speaker 8: very many years. In the local data that the audit
34:17
Speaker 8: examines from three police forces, they identify clear evidence of
34:22
Speaker 8: overrepresentation among suspects of Asian and Pakistani heritage men, and
34:28
Speaker 8: she refers to examples of organizations avoiding the topic altogether
34:33
Speaker 8: for fear of appearing racist or raising community tensions. These
34:39
Speaker 8: findings are deeply disturbing.
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Speaker 2: She's also forced to call for some sort of inquiry,
34:45
Speaker 2: despite years of Labour saying such calls will be oh,
34:48
Speaker 2: that's racist, And she had to because of the astonishing
34:51
Speaker 2: evidence in this inquiry. LID by Baroness Luise Casey. Casey,
34:56
Speaker 2: for instance, cases reports hid questions about the ethnicity of
34:59
Speaker 2: the offenders have been asked but dodged for years. There
35:04
Speaker 2: have been enough convictions across the country of groups of
35:06
Speaker 2: men from Asian ethnic backgrounds to have warranted closer examination.
35:11
Speaker 2: But she said not only were police and other authorities
35:13
Speaker 2: who scared of seeming racist or inflaming tensions to even
35:17
Speaker 2: talk about these gangs, they actually lied. Lady Casey said
35:22
Speaker 2: their Home Office kept saying most of the rapists were
35:24
Speaker 2: white and immigrant communities were not overrepresented, when the data
35:28
Speaker 2: in fact showed men of Pakistani background were twice as
35:31
Speaker 2: likely as others to be charged and whites half as likely,
35:36
Speaker 2: and most British voters knew they were being lied to.
35:39
Speaker 2: I suspect, which was probably one reason that so many
35:42
Speaker 2: rioted last year when three girls were stabbed to death.
35:46
Speaker 2: Many alone no longer believe the authorities telling him, oh,
35:48
Speaker 2: the killer was just British. No longer trusted authorities to
35:52
Speaker 2: keep them safe now here, of course, we don't have
35:55
Speaker 2: anything like that kind of scandal, but we do have
35:59
Speaker 2: warnings that a straying. Increasingly do not trust the legal
36:02
Speaker 2: system to be fair, which is not surprising me. Already
36:06
Speaker 2: have courts just for Aborigines, for instance, and when the
36:09
Speaker 2: higher offending rates of some ethnic groups has long been
36:12
Speaker 2: covered up. Joining me is Chris Merritt, Vice President of
36:15
Speaker 2: the Rule of Law Institute of Australia. Chris, thank you
36:19
Speaker 2: so much for your time. Now, before we get to
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Speaker 2: your survey, what does this case You report tell you?
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Speaker 12: It tells me that the consequence of moving away from
36:30
Speaker 12: the fundamental principle of equality before the law, the consequence
36:35
Speaker 12: is disastrous. Once you move away from that fundamental idea
36:40
Speaker 12: and embrace fashionable ideas such as identity politics, the legal
36:47
Speaker 12: system just ceases to work. People lose confidence in it,
36:50
Speaker 12: and the results have been revealed in devastating detail in
36:55
Speaker 12: the Casey Report. It's astounding that the British institutions allowed
37:01
Speaker 12: it to get as bad as it has.
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Speaker 2: I think this is an important point to make before
37:07
Speaker 2: we go now to your survey, because this is what
37:10
Speaker 2: we have to have to avoid. Your survey, you did
37:15
Speaker 2: a poll, you commissioned, a poll of a thousand Australians
37:19
Speaker 2: gives a very worrying picture of a lack of trust
37:22
Speaker 2: that our legal system does treat all people the same,
37:25
Speaker 2: regardless of race or religion. Tell us the headline results.
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Speaker 12: Well, the bottom line is. The most gratifying thing about
37:34
Speaker 12: this pole is that the general community in this country
37:38
Speaker 12: is firmly committed to the idea of equality before the law.
37:42
Speaker 12: This comes you need to see this in the context
37:45
Speaker 12: of the outcome of the referendum, where the vote, in
37:49
Speaker 12: my view, was a resounding endorsement of equality of citizenship.
37:54
Speaker 12: So the outcome in outpole is when it comes to
37:58
Speaker 12: an equal treatment, it's very, very worrying. A minority just
38:04
Speaker 12: forty seven percent believes that they can obtain equal justice
38:09
Speaker 12: regardless of background in the Australian legal system. Now that's terrifying,
38:15
Speaker 12: But it's not quite as terrifying as another number I'll
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Speaker 12: quote to you. Sixty four percent believe identity groups are
38:24
Speaker 12: receiving preferential treatment that is not available to the general community. Now,
38:30
Speaker 12: unless that is addressed, will lose the community, will lose
38:35
Speaker 12: just as much confidence in the Australian legal system as
38:39
Speaker 12: the British community has lost in the British legal system
38:43
Speaker 12: because of the abandonment of equality before the law.
38:49
Speaker 2: Now it's worse in Victoria, where your poll shows just
38:53
Speaker 2: forty percent think the legal system treats people equally and
38:57
Speaker 2: more forty three percent say it does not. Why is
39:02
Speaker 2: it worse there? And are people right to actually fear this? Look?
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Speaker 12: Victoria has been exposed as a bit of a laggard
39:11
Speaker 12: when it comes to equal treatment by the legal system.
39:14
Speaker 12: The best performance, if you can call it best, was
39:18
Speaker 12: in New South Wales and WA, where the figures are
39:23
Speaker 12: fifty to fifty one percent who think they can get
39:26
Speaker 12: equal treatment regardless of background. Now that's still a shocking figure,
39:30
Speaker 12: but it's miles ahead of the outcome in Victoria. And
39:35
Speaker 12: you've got for public policy makers in Victoria. They need
39:39
Speaker 12: to take a hard look at these numbers and then
39:42
Speaker 12: to take a hard look at the policies and institutions
39:46
Speaker 12: they've got in place. Now, remember, Victoria's got a first
39:52
Speaker 12: first People's Assembly, It's got a U Rook Justice Commission
39:57
Speaker 12: which is attempting to rein turn corporate Victorian history from
40:02
Speaker 12: an indigenous perspective. Just recently we've got an unequal application
40:07
Speaker 12: of drug laws. Drug laws remain on the book, but
40:13
Speaker 12: in certain circumstances those laws won't be enforced and drugs
40:18
Speaker 12: will actually be tested for purity. My view is that
40:22
Speaker 12: if a law is not going to be enforced, repeal it,
40:25
Speaker 12: don't simply apply it in certain circumstances and ignore it
40:31
Speaker 12: in others. This, I think is being exacerbated by institutions
40:38
Speaker 12: of state, even in the legal system, overdoing welcomes to country,
40:43
Speaker 12: even airlines overdoing welcomes to country, giving the impression that
40:48
Speaker 12: Indigenous people are entitled to some special view, some special
40:53
Speaker 12: physician in society beyond that of the rest of the community.
40:57
Speaker 12: Now that's speculation, but the figures don't lie. Sixty four
41:02
Speaker 12: percent nationals in think identity groups, certain identity groups are
41:09
Speaker 12: getting preferential treatment beyond the rest of the community. So
41:13
Speaker 12: I think it's time for lorn makers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, Chris, that is exactly why. For instance, we
41:19
Speaker 2: had just recently a woman falsely claimed to be Aboriginal,
41:22
Speaker 2: thinking that she would get easier treatment from the court.
41:24
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, Chris Merritt, your survey is extremely worrying.
41:30
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for bringing to our attention. After
41:34
Speaker 2: the break, the liberals are all over the shop as
41:37
Speaker 2: Albany is humiliated. I mean, will you tell me what
41:40
Speaker 2: they really think when you see what I'm going to
41:42
Speaker 2: show you after this. I've reready told you the Albany
41:49
Speaker 2: is the government's reaction to Israel's attack on your own's
41:52
Speaker 2: nuclear weapon sites. That's been disgraceful. But the Liberals, I
41:57
Speaker 2: know it's early days, new leadership and all that, but
41:59
Speaker 2: I have to tell you they're having trouble getting their
42:01
Speaker 2: own messaging sorted. Showed you earlier in the show how
42:04
Speaker 2: Liberal front bench Dave Sharma blasted at Albaneze's abject failure.
42:09
Speaker 2: He called it for not getting that meeting with Donald
42:11
Speaker 2: Trump and that take was much stronger than what his
42:15
Speaker 2: leaders is in. Leed later said she just called it disappointing.
42:20
Speaker 10: It really is disappointing that the Prime Minister has not
42:24
Speaker 10: built to the relationship with the US going all the
42:27
Speaker 10: way back to the twentieth of January this year that
42:29
Speaker 10: needed to be in place right here and right now.
42:33
Speaker 10: Is just not appropriate that we can only rely on
42:36
Speaker 10: a meeting on the sidelines of an international summit. We
42:40
Speaker 10: want the Prime Minister to do well, we want the
42:42
Speaker 10: Prime Minister to succeed, and we stand ready to advance
42:46
Speaker 10: our national interest.
42:47
Speaker 2: All right, So what did the opposition's Foreign affairs spokesman,
42:52
Speaker 2: the woman is actually supposedly in charge of the foreign
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Speaker 2: policy Mikaylia Cash. What did she think about this? Well,
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Speaker 2: I can't tell you because she said nothing at all.
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Speaker 2: I'm joined by Will Kinson, host of Far at Will,
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Speaker 2: a podcast from The Spectator, and Politics and Culture now
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Speaker 2: slumming it over in Dublin, and scone has commentated Joe
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Speaker 2: Hildebrand in syphisticated Sydney very Sophica. By the way, Will,
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Speaker 2: what are you doing over there?
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Speaker 13: Work has brought me to Dublin, Andrew, I'm getting a
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Speaker 13: terror of all of the wonderful European cities that are
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Speaker 13: now trying to battle with those multicultural policies that that
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Speaker 13: Australia is learning to accept.
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Speaker 2: Be careful. Dublin's had anti immigrant riots recently. You don't
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Speaker 2: want to be going out on the streets alone, I think.
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Speaker 2: But Joe, what message do you think the Liberals were
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Speaker 2: actually sending there?
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Speaker 14: Look, I think there's a tradition in Australian politics that
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Speaker 14: when it comes to foreign affairs that you have a
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Speaker 14: bipartisan unity ticket and that you don't pick fights. And
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Speaker 14: the risks of that are political and strategic. I mean,
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Speaker 14: the first thing is that you don't want to. You
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Speaker 14: don't want to present a divided front to potential allies
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Speaker 14: or indeed potential enemies or threats or challenges overseas. If
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Speaker 14: our foreign adversaries think that Australia is weak and divided
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Speaker 14: on foreign policy and doesn't know which way it's moving,
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Speaker 14: then they can exploit that. At the same time, I
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Speaker 14: think I think Peter Dutton was hurt very much by
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Speaker 14: a perception during the election campaign that he was more
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Speaker 14: Team Trump than Team Australia, and I think that is
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Speaker 14: one of the very many things as Australians came to
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Speaker 14: change their view of Donald Trump and take a very
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Speaker 14: dim view once he launched the tariff wars and his
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Speaker 14: now questioning orcas. I think that that was one of
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Speaker 14: the things that hurt him politically, and I think Susan
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Speaker 14: lay is probably very mindful of that.
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Speaker 2: But it is bad luck obviously that we didn't get
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Speaker 2: that meeting. Will I didn't know it was a secret
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Speaker 2: that we're weak and divided. But anyway, there you go.
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Speaker 2: But what do you make of it, Sage, do you
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Speaker 2: think the Liberals should have sent I mean, Joe makes
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Speaker 2: some good points there, but seriously, not having any meeting
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Speaker 2: at all yet with the with the US president when
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Speaker 2: so much is on the table, and that's after poking
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Speaker 2: the president in the I repeatedly that's not good.
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Speaker 13: Well, yes, and no, I'm probably closer to Joe here, Andrew.
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Speaker 13: I've got a laundry list of problems with the Liberal
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Speaker 13: Party at the moment, but this isn't one of them.
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Speaker 2: We all know that if moving on, we well know that, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 13: We all know that if he had done and I'm
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Speaker 13: certainly not going to be accepted by the ABC, so
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Speaker 13: that is the end.
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Speaker 4: Of my career.
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Speaker 13: We all know that if he had done the Grand
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Speaker 13: Tour of the US, Paul Murray would have been coming
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Speaker 13: on at nine o'clock doing the air bus elbow routine.
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Speaker 13: So I don't think you can really win on that score.
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Speaker 13: I don't think Susan Lee. I think she actually got
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Speaker 13: the tone broadly right. It wasn't intention with Sharma. It
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Speaker 13: was just slightly more diplomatically worded. But I will say
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Speaker 13: Andrew that I will not be as sympathetic moving forward
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Speaker 13: because they have done a great job, the Liberal Party
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Speaker 13: of trashing one of their traditional brand equities, being defense
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Speaker 13: and national security. It was an afterthought previous to the
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Speaker 13: before the prior election or the election we've just had.
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Speaker 13: So it is one that they need to be very
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Speaker 13: strong on. But I actually don't think in this instance
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Speaker 13: this was necessarily that poorly handled.
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Speaker 2: I hope Dave Sharman noted that I, Dave am the
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Speaker 2: one here who defended you, right, Sorry, Dave. Joe Trump
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Speaker 2: promising to stop all wars five months ago, which to
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Speaker 2: me was a stupid promise in the first place. Look
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Speaker 2: at the world. Now, what do you think's going on
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Speaker 2: in his mind?
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Speaker 14: Well, I think Trump is obviously embarking on the same
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Speaker 14: sort of America first isolationism that we saw between the
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Speaker 14: two World Wars in the early half of last century.
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Speaker 14: It's inevitably, I think you cannot avoid all conflict, be
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Speaker 14: it on your home turf or overseas, without sacrificing too
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Speaker 14: much of what it is you stand for as a nation.
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Speaker 14: And so of course you don't want to get embroiled
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Speaker 14: into another Iraq or another Afghanistan. You can question the
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Speaker 14: folly of those excursions, but the idea that you would
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Speaker 14: see Israel and Iran fighting each other and say, I
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Speaker 14: We'll just sit this one out, you know, we'll see
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Speaker 14: who wins. Clearly, Israel is in the right in this
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Speaker 14: Iran's regime is an absolutely disgraceful, deadly murderous, theocratic, authoritarian,
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Speaker 14: totalitarian state. Even the Iranian people don't like it, which
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Speaker 14: is why they are constantly rising up against it and
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Speaker 14: desperately trying to overthrow it. And Iran is completely without
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Speaker 14: friends or allies in the region either. Basically the closest
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Speaker 14: thing to a friend it's got the regime that is
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Speaker 14: is Vladimir Putin, which tells you everything you need to know.
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Speaker 14: So I think Trump was, rather than sad sticking up
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Speaker 14: for them, I think it was right to seven.
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Speaker 13: I think there's an art to picking the right war
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Speaker 13: Andrew in this instance, yeah, there's art to picking the
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Speaker 13: right war. It would have been easy for Trump to
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Speaker 13: follow a part of that Marga wing that is saying
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Speaker 13: complete isolationism, you know, the Tucker Carson's of this world.
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Speaker 13: He's actually pushed back against them and said, look, you know,
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Speaker 13: whilst I have reservations about say war in Europe for example,
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Speaker 13: and you at the US involvement, Iran cannot get nuclear
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Speaker 13: weapons and that is something the US needs to be
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Speaker 13: strong on. So I actually think in this instance, Trump
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Speaker 13: has been very has been very good.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I think so. Look, you keep baiting me with
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Speaker 2: the mentions of Carlson. One day I need to really
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Speaker 2: tell what I know about Tucker Carlson and why it
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Speaker 2: was fine. Thank God, I hope for that one. Blare well,
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Speaker 2: you'll need to put on your asbestos is when you
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Speaker 2: hear that one. Thank you for your time. Guys. That's
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Speaker 2: it from me showing maxon next good not