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Out of Jail on August 15. Four People Dead by Labor Day. · FBI Files

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  Speaker 1: A Labor Day weekend turned into a nightmare of murder
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  Speaker 1: as a cross-country crime spree terrorized the nation. A pair
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  Speaker 1: of suspected spree killers traveled through state after state, leaving
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  Speaker 1: murder victims in their wake. Working against time, the FBI
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  Speaker 1: and local authorities marshaled their resources to stop the killings.
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  Speaker 2: In a small Ohio community, an elderly woman and a
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  Speaker 2: teenage boy disappeared. Because they vanished within hours of each other,
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  Speaker 2: police believe the cases were linked. But they didn't know how.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jim Kallstrom, former head of the FBI's New York office.
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  Speaker 2: A trail of stolen vehicles and murder victims across seven
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  Speaker 2: states led the FBI in a hunt for two serial killers.
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  Speaker 2: Their only hope of stopping them was to anticipate the
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  Speaker 2: killers Next move.
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  Speaker 1: August 29th, 1994. Summer was drawing to a close in
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  Speaker 1: the small town of Port Washington, Ohio. The peaceful farming
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  Speaker 1: community was dotted with isolated rural homes. A 79-year-old widow,
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  Speaker 1: Ruth Loder, lived alone. Those of her family that lived
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  Speaker 1: nearby kept a close eye on Mrs. Loader since she
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  Speaker 1: was battling with cancer. When she heard footsteps in the kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: she thought it might be her granddaughter returning to see
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  Speaker 1: her before she went to sleep. She discovered strangers instead.
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  Speaker 3: The following morning.
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  Speaker 1: The Tuscarawas County Sheriff's Office received an urgent call from Mrs.
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  Speaker 1: Loader's sister. As was their routine, Mrs. Loader's sister and
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  Speaker 1: son-in-law came to check on the sick woman. but found Mrs.
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  Speaker 1: Loader and her car missing. Sheriff Walter Wilson, a detective
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  Speaker 1: lieutenant at the time, was the lead investigator.
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  Speaker 4: Family members had seen Mrs. Loader the evening prior to
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  Speaker 4: the morning of her disappearance. She was fine at that time.
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  Speaker 4: They had indicated to us that Mrs. Loader was recovering
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  Speaker 4: from cancer surgery, that she definitely needed medication, which was
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  Speaker 4: left behind.
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  Speaker 1: The family was worried since Mrs. Loader was so weak.
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  Speaker 1: She would become very ill if she was without her
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  Speaker 1: medication for long. Marks on the back door and damage
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  Speaker 1: to the door frame indicated it had been kicked in.
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  Speaker 1: The forced entry told the sheriff that the frail woman
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  Speaker 1: had not left of her own free will. Mrs. Loader's
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  Speaker 1: purse was left behind, but her cash was missing, along
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  Speaker 1: with the keys to her red Buick. Sheriff Wilson immediately
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  Speaker 1: issued an all-points bulletin for the widow and her car.
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  Speaker 1: He knew that they'd have the best chance of finding
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  Speaker 1: her alive if they acted quickly.
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  Speaker 4: We felt very early on that Mrs. Loader obviously had
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  Speaker 4: been kidnapped. We immediately began a massive search for Mrs.
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  Speaker 4: Loader and her car. Then that involved all of the
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  Speaker 4: area law enforcement agencies, It involved numerous fire department personnel.
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  Speaker 4: Citizens from the area came out in droves and helped
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  Speaker 4: with the search for Mrs. Layden.
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  Speaker 1: Concerned over her fate, the community was united in its pursuit.
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  Speaker 1: The command center was formed in the Port Washington fire station,
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  Speaker 1: where authorities worked with volunteers to plan the urgent search
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  Speaker 1: for the ailing woman. If she didn't have her medicine soon,
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  Speaker 1: her condition could become critical. They had to find the
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  Speaker 1: grandmother before it was too late. Mrs.
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  Speaker 4: Loader was pretty well known in that area. It's a
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  Speaker 4: very good family. They're very highly thought of, and everyone
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  Speaker 4: was very concerned for her and felt obligated and really
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  Speaker 4: sincerely wanted to try to find her to help her.
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  Speaker 1: Mounted reserve units geared up to comb rougher terrain on horseback.
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  Speaker 1: Local police and neighbors searched fields and woods for any
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  Speaker 1: trace of her or the missing car. Sheriff's deputies from
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  Speaker 1: a neighboring county brought in canine units hoping to pick
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  Speaker 1: up a scent. The Ohio State Highway Patrol ordered their
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  Speaker 1: aircraft to scan roads from above. The extensive search turned
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  Speaker 1: up no trace of Mrs. Loader or her car. Special
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  Speaker 1: collections were taken at restaurants and grocery stores to help
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  Speaker 1: pay for additional personnel. Deputies alerted the media while family
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  Speaker 1: members posted flyers in neighboring towns hoping to get the
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  Speaker 1: word out beyond the local community. That afternoon, A woman
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  Speaker 1: who knew Mrs. Loader called the sheriff's office with information
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  Speaker 1: and came in for an interview. She told investigators that
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  Speaker 1: she'd seen Mrs. Loader's red Buick in town at about
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  Speaker 1: 11 p.m. the previous evening. She thought it was strange
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  Speaker 1: that the ailing woman would be driving that late. Though
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  Speaker 1: the light was dim, she could see that a young
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  Speaker 1: man was driving the car. The witness tried her best
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  Speaker 1: to help a police artist construct a composite sketch from
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  Speaker 1: what she could remember of the brief encounter. In the
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  Speaker 1: area surrounding Port Washington, Ohio, concern that a criminal could
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  Speaker 1: be on the loose spread fear in a community that
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  Speaker 1: was not used to locking their doors. Police showed the
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  Speaker 1: composite sketch at every interview. But no one could identify
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  Speaker 1: the man depicted in the drawing. The day ended with
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  Speaker 1: no new leads. On day two of Mrs. Loader's disappearance,
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  Speaker 1: a deputy entered her case into the NCIC, the National
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  Speaker 1: Crime Information Center. a computer system linking 57,000 law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: agencies across the country. Sheriff's Department. That same day, the
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  Speaker 1: sheriff's office fielded a call from some concerned parents. Their
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  Speaker 1: 16-year-old high school sophomore had also disappeared from Tuscarawas County. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: disclose it. In nearby Newcomerstown, three miles from the house
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  Speaker 1: where Mrs. Loader disappeared, a worried father and stepmother told
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  Speaker 1: a sheriff's deputy their son was missing. His family and
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  Speaker 1: his former employer had not heard from him for three days.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a picture on it? Yes, I do. A.
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  Speaker 1: 22 caliber handgun was also missing from the house. The
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  Speaker 1: parents gave authorities a photograph of the missing boy. Eric Elliott.
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  Speaker 4: It seemed kind of ironic at the time that we
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  Speaker 4: would have Mrs. Loader missing and that we would also
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  Speaker 4: have a juvenile reported missing within that short distance.
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  Speaker 1: Ohio investigators wondered if there was any connection between the
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  Speaker 1: two disappearances from the same county. Just 36 hours after Mrs.
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  Speaker 1: Loader's abduction, Sheriff Wilson received another call. 650 miles west
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  Speaker 1: in Fulton, Missouri, police found a red Buick stuck in
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  Speaker 1: a farmer's muddy field. When they ran its Ohio plates
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  Speaker 1: through the NCIC, they discovered it was Mrs. Loader's stolen car.
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  Speaker 1: The farmer had not seen who had abandoned it. The
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  Speaker 1: car's keys were missing, but the doors were unlocked. Among
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  Speaker 1: the items officers found inside was a green soda bottle
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  Speaker 1: and a sandwich wrapper labeled Goshen Dairy Store. They towed
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle to the station for further examination. Lieutenant Timothy
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  Speaker 1: Daimler from the Calloway County Sheriff's Office in Fulton, Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: was assigned to lead the investigation. His department's first task
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  Speaker 1: was to check the car's locked trunk.
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  Speaker 5: We weren't sure exactly what we were going to find.
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  Speaker 5: We had a missing lady from Ohio, and this was
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  Speaker 5: her car, so... We were under the assumption that very
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  Speaker 5: possibly we may find a body when we opened up
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  Speaker 5: the trunk.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators needed to open it without damaging evidence or injuring
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  Speaker 1: the woman if she was unconscious inside. An auxiliary deputy
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  Speaker 1: who was a locksmith was called in. They discovered the
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  Speaker 1: trunk was empty. After three days of searching, hope of
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  Speaker 1: finding Mrs. Loader alive was beginning to fade. On September 1st,
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  Speaker 1: an FBI evidence recovery team from Kansas City was called
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  Speaker 1: in since the missing woman's car had crossed state lines.
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  Speaker 1: Agents worked with local authorities processing Mrs. Loader's car for
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  Speaker 1: forensic details. They gathered several sets of prints and hairs.
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  Speaker 1: In Ohio, the foreign prints were entered into an automated
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  Speaker 1: fingerprint system, but no matches were found. Sheriff Wilson prepared
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  Speaker 1: to travel to Missouri. On a hunch, he took along
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  Speaker 1: a photo of the missing teenager, Eric Elliott.
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  Speaker 4: At the time, it was nothing concrete as far as
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  Speaker 4: connecting Mrs. Loader's disappearance and Mr. Elliott's report of his
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  Speaker 4: son missing. However, I felt that since we're going to
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  Speaker 4: Callaway County, you know, it would make sense to maybe
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  Speaker 4: obtain a photograph of the missing juvenile and take with us.
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  Speaker 1: Mrs. Loader's son-in-law joined the sheriff to help in the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: The Missouri official did not recognize the photo, but the
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  Speaker 1: Ohio sheriff did recognize the sandwich wrapper found in the car.
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  Speaker 1: It was from Goshen Dairy, a store near Mrs. Loader's house.
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  Speaker 1: Her son-in-law said the family kept her vehicle clean. Perhaps
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  Speaker 1: Eric Elliott, who also lived close to the store, had
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  Speaker 1: left the wrapper in the car.
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  Speaker 5: They had a photograph of Elliott with them, and we
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  Speaker 5: decided to cover Kingdom City, which, where they would have
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  Speaker 5: gotten off the interstate.
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  Speaker 1: Ohio and Missouri investigators checked exits along nearby I-70, a
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  Speaker 1: major east-west route in the region. They hoped someone at
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  Speaker 1: the rest stops would be able to confirm that Elliot
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  Speaker 1: had been in the area. They spoke to dozens of
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  Speaker 1: employees and travelers. Late in the afternoon, their efforts finally
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  Speaker 1: paid off. They found one person who remembered seeing the
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  Speaker 1: teenager the day before. Unfortunately, authorities found no one who
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  Speaker 1: remembered seeing Mrs. Loader or her car. For the first time,
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  Speaker 1: investigators considered 16-year-old Eric Elliott as a suspect in her abduction.
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  Speaker 1: Missouri deputies also continued to canvas the rural Fulton area,
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  Speaker 1: inquiring if neighbors had seen anything unusual. At the house
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  Speaker 1: closest to the field where Mrs. Loader's car was found,
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  Speaker 1: an officer knocked on the door of an elderly couple,
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  Speaker 1: William and Flossie Brewer. He heard their dog, but the
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  Speaker 1: couple appeared to be out. Since their car was not
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  Speaker 1: parked outside, the deputy continued on. Authorities checked dozens of homes,
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  Speaker 1: but found no one close by who had seen Eric
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  Speaker 1: Elliott or Mrs.
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  Speaker 2: Loader.
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  Speaker 5: I was on my way home After finishing that up,
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  Speaker 5: I received a page from the communications center that they
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  Speaker 5: wanted me to call them immediately. They told me that
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  Speaker 5: they had found two bodies at a farmhouse out on
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  Speaker 5: County Road 147.
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  Speaker 1: It was the home of William and Flossie Brewer, the
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  Speaker 1: house closest to the field where Mrs. Loder's car was
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  Speaker 1: found earlier that day. Authorities believe the two crimes were
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  Speaker 1: likely connected. Three days after Mrs. Loader's disappearance, sheriff's detectives
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  Speaker 1: found the bodies of 86-year-old William Brewer and his 76-year-old
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  Speaker 1: wife Flossie in the basement of their home. Each had
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  Speaker 1: multiple gunshot wounds. They were slumped over. They were near
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  Speaker 1: the door.
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  Speaker 5: She had her hands tied behind her back with what
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  Speaker 5: appeared to be a telephone cord, and he was on
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  Speaker 5: her right slumped over also, and his cane was standing
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  Speaker 5: there right beside him.
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  Speaker 1: The detective also found the couple's dog faithfully guarding their
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  Speaker 1: lifeless bodies. An autopsy later determined that both Mr. and Mrs.
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  Speaker 1: Brewer had each been shot three times in the head
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  Speaker 1: with a. 22, the same caliber weapon missing from Eric
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  Speaker 1: Elliott's home. The 16-year-old suspected in the disappearance of Mrs.
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  Speaker 1: Loader now became a suspect in the double homicide.
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  Speaker 5: There was no indication that the suspect had spent any
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  Speaker 5: length of time in the house before this occurred, so
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  Speaker 5: from the evidence it pointed us that it had happened
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  Speaker 5: relatively quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators found no signs of forced entry. In the basement,
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  Speaker 1: the door to the outside was covered with cobwebs, indicating
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  Speaker 1: it had not been opened. Investigators spoke with the Brewer's son.
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  Speaker 1: He said the couple's Oldsmobile was missing, along with several rifles.
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  Speaker 1: All were entered into the NCIC. The son added that
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  Speaker 1: his mother's bedspread was also missing. Technicians worked the scene
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  Speaker 1: until 5 a.m. On the floor near the front entrance,
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  Speaker 1: investigators found two distinct sets of footprints foreign to the house.
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  Speaker 1: One appeared to be a tennis shoe, the other a
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  Speaker 1: hiking boot. Investigators suspected the double homicide was likely connected
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  Speaker 1: to Mrs. Loader's disappearance. What they didn't know was if
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  Speaker 1: 16-year-old Eric Elliott and a companion had become spree killers.
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  Speaker 1: By September 2nd, 1994... Four and a half days had
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  Speaker 1: passed since the ailing Ruth Loader was forced from her
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  Speaker 1: Ohio home without her medication. She was missing and presumed
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  Speaker 1: dead since her stolen car was found abandoned in Missouri,
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  Speaker 1: 150 yards from where police discovered a slain elderly couple.
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  Speaker 1: Authorities suspected an Ohio teenager named Eric Elliott and at
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  Speaker 1: least one companion were responsible for the crimes, but they
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  Speaker 1: had no direct evidence. Lieutenant Timothy Daimler of the Callaway County,
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  Speaker 1: Missouri Sheriff's Department recalled that citizens in the surrounding areas
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  Speaker 1: were stunned.
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  Speaker 5: These are people that live in the rural community. They're
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  Speaker 5: used to leaving their doors unlocked. They do know everybody.
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  Speaker 5: And I think it was somewhat of a realization that, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 5: even though you do live in a rural community, that
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  Speaker 5: you still have to lock your doors and pay attention
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  Speaker 5: to when strangers are in your neighborhoods.
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  Speaker 1: With two confirmed homicides and a likely third in as
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  Speaker 1: many days, local authorities turned to the FBI for help.
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  Speaker 1: Special Agent Peter Christ of the FBI's Canton, Ohio, resident
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  Speaker 1: agency was assigned the case. To catch up with the
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  Speaker 1: suspected spree killer and his companion, they needed an idea
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  Speaker 1: of where Eric Elliott might be heading.
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  Speaker 6: So we were trying to get as much background information
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  Speaker 6: as we could. We were looking for relatives, uncles, aunts, cousins, friends.
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  Speaker 6: We were convinced that they were heading across the country,
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  Speaker 6: and we just needed to know everybody that there was
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  Speaker 6: a possibility that they would stop and visit, to either
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  Speaker 6: visit to say hello or get any kind of financial
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  Speaker 6: or moral support.
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  Speaker 1: Agents asked one of Eric Elliott's friends to come in
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  Speaker 1: for questioning.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: The friend told them that Elliot had recently become very
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  Speaker 1: close to a young ex-convict named Louis Gilbert. He said
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  Speaker 1: that Gilbert and Elliot had spent a lot of time
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  Speaker 1: together over the past few weeks. Both had been complaining
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  Speaker 1: about how boring life was in the small town and
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  Speaker 1: that there was no reason for them to stay. Gilbert
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  Speaker 1: was estranged from his wife and son, and Elliot wished
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  Speaker 1: to visit his birth mother in California. The friend added
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  Speaker 1: that the pair mentioned they wanted to do something that
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  Speaker 1: would make them go down in history and planned to
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  Speaker 1: start by stealing a car. The last time he saw
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  Speaker 1: them was five days ago when Gilbert and Elliot were
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  Speaker 1: walking along railroad tracks behind Mrs. Loader's house. Because Elliot
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  Speaker 1: was a troubled teen, Agent Crisp believed that he probably
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  Speaker 1: looked up to 22-year-old Lewis Gilbert. since Gilbert appeared to
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  Speaker 1: do as he pleased.
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  Speaker 6: At the point when Gilbert befriended Elliot, he had been
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  Speaker 6: released from jail two weeks prior to that, had a
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  Speaker 6: criminal history, had had a history of getting in trouble.
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  Speaker 6: And at that point, we sort of felt that maybe Mr.
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  Speaker 6: Elliot was in awe or enamored with Mr. Gilbert because
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  Speaker 6: he did have that kind of criminal history background.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators dug deeper into Lewis Gilbert's past. The 22-year-old had
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  Speaker 1: served time for stealing a boat and breaking and entering.
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  Speaker 1: He had also been convicted of physically abusing his three-month-old son.
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  Speaker 1: Though agents still lacked concrete evidence that Gilbert and Elliot
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  Speaker 1: were traveling together, they needed to find them as soon
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  Speaker 1: as possible to prevent any more killing.
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  Speaker 6: Our biggest concern at this point was that we suspected
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  Speaker 6: these two of Mrs.
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  Speaker 1: Loader's disappearance.
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  Speaker 6: They were strong suspects in the killings and the double
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  Speaker 6: homicide in Missouri, and we were very concerned that this
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  Speaker 6: kind of activity would continue all the way across the country.
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff Wilson's first step was to see if anyone had
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  Speaker 1: seen Gilbert with Elliot at the Goshen Dairy Store, close
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  Speaker 1: to Mrs. Loader's Ohio home. Missouri investigators had found a
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  Speaker 1: sandwich wrapper from the store in Mrs. Loader's abandoned vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: The clerk identified the wrapper. She also remembered selling the
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  Speaker 1: sandwich and some soda to Gilbert and Elliot just after Mrs.
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  Speaker 1: Loader disappeared. Authorities now had confirmation the young men were
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  Speaker 1: traveling together. But five days had already passed since the
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  Speaker 1: spree killers had begun their cross-country rampage. The FBI quickly
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  Speaker 1: secured arrest warrants for kidnapping and burglary in the Ruth
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  Speaker 1: Loder disappearance. Though agents believed the pair was also responsible
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  Speaker 1: for the double homicide in Missouri, authorities still lacked evidence
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  Speaker 1: to formally charge them with those crimes. Agents weren't about
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  Speaker 1: to wait for someone to call in. Anticipating Gilbert and
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  Speaker 1: Elliot's westward movement, the FBI visited Gilbert's mother in Tahlequah,
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  Speaker 1: Oklahoma on September 3rd, 1994. The agent warned her that
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  Speaker 1: her son and his friend were armed fugitives suspected of
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  Speaker 1: driving a stolen Oldsmobile with Missouri plates. It was possible
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  Speaker 1: that the pair would visit her for help. The FBI
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  Speaker 1: had just missed them. Gilbert and Elliot had arrived at
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  Speaker 1: 2 a.m. the previous day. Gilbert claimed the Oldsmobile they
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  Speaker 1: were driving belonged to a friend. They said they were
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  Speaker 1: headed to California. The pair spent the day and left
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  Speaker 1: a few hours before the agent arrived. Cooperating with the FBI,
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  Speaker 1: she described the clothes the pair was wearing and gave
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  Speaker 1: agents addresses of other relatives. Authorities feared that if they
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  Speaker 1: didn't catch up with them soon, the spree killers would
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  Speaker 1: strike again.
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  Speaker 6: That was one of the most frustrating things about this
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  Speaker 6: whole investigation. It just appeared that we were always a
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  Speaker 6: half a day or a day behind them. And that's
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  Speaker 6: probably one of the most frustrating things. We just couldn't
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  Speaker 6: get ahead of them.
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  Speaker 1: Because Eric Elliott was a minor, investigators needed court permission
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  Speaker 1: to distribute his photo. They got the go-ahead 36 hours
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  Speaker 1: after the double homicide in Missouri. Lieutenant Daimler added it
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  Speaker 1: to the nationwide bulletins for the fugitives.
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  Speaker 5: I was scared to see where they were going to
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  Speaker 5: end up next and who they were going to kill next.
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  Speaker 5: And I wanted to do everything I could to help
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  Speaker 5: get those people off the street because it was apparent
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  Speaker 5: to me that they didn't care who they killed.
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  Speaker 1: Despite the best efforts of authorities, the urgent hunt for
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  Speaker 1: the suspected killers stretched into its sixth day. On September 4th, 1994,
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  Speaker 1: 165 miles west of Gilbert's mother's house in Oklahoma, a
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  Speaker 1: dirt biker was riding the rural trails around Draper Lake
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  Speaker 1: just outside of Oklahoma City. His ride was cut short
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  Speaker 1: when he discovered a woman's body amongst the trees. As
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  Speaker 1: he raced to summon police, he rode around an Oldsmobile
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  Speaker 1: with Missouri plates Almost a week after Mrs. Loader's abduction
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  Speaker 1: in Ohio, the nationwide hunt for two suspected killers would continue.
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  Speaker 1: By September 4th, 1994, six days had elapsed in the
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  Speaker 1: FBI's massive nationwide search for a pair of suspected spree killers.
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  Speaker 1: Lewis Gilbert and Eric Elliott were wanted for a possible
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  Speaker 1: murder in Ohio and a confirmed double homicide in Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: The fugitives were last seen in Oklahoma, heading west. That
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  Speaker 1: same day, Oklahoma City police responded to a call from
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  Speaker 1: a dirt biker who had discovered a woman's body near
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Draper Lake. Officers secured the crime scene, then called in
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: homicide detectives. They interviewed the biker who had made the discovery.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Homicide inspector Bob BMO of the Oklahoma City Police Department
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: was assigned the case.
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: Once we come upon the immediate scene where the body
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: was located, I observed the young woman to be in
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: a kind of a bent over backwards and caught between
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: a tree.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: The victim was a white female in her 30s. Investigators
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: found no identification on or near the body. But a
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: manager at a nearby marina later identified her as his
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: missing employee, Roxy Rudder.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: As a part of our investigation, another vehicle had been
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: found a short distance away from where the victim had
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: been located. And we didn't know if this was a
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: part of the crime or not, although we did secure
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: the area around this vehicle.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: When detectives checked the Oldsmobile's Missouri plates with the NCIC,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: They discovered the car had been reported stolen from the Brewers,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: the double homicide victims from Missouri. Oklahoma investigators immediately notified
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: authorities back east. To Tuscarawas County Sheriff Walter Wilson in Ohio,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it appeared that Gilbert and Elliott had struck again.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: They had recovered Missouri's stolen vehicle, and they also had
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: another murder victim. It's just another case. terrible feeling that's
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: really hard to describe that obviously this tragedy continues.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma police crime technicians gathered evidence from the vehicle. They
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: recovered several unused. 22 caliber bullets. A pawn shop receipt
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: from a local Oklahoma City store was also found. Prints
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: lifted from inside and outside the car. matched both Gilbert
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and Elliott's. Oklahoma medical examiners determined that Ruttle's death had
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: occurred in the last day or two since there was
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: little decomposition. Death had been inflicted by a. 22 caliber weapon.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Detectives notified the woman's devastated husband. He informed them that
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: her two-toned pickup truck was also missing. Investigators listed it
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: as stolen and added its information to the growing NCIC
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: report on Gilbert and Elliot. Detectives also took the receipt
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: found in the Brewer's car to the Oklahoma City pawn
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: shop that issued it. Two video games and a socket
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: wrench set had been pawned the day before the murdered
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: woman was found. They showed the receipt to an employee.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: He vaguely remembered Gilbert and Elliot. but he had something
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: else that might be stronger than memory. The pawn shop
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: was equipped with a 24-hour surveillance camera. The videotape confirmed
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: his story. September 3rd was the last confirmed sighting of
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Gilbert and Elliot. The FBI issued two more warrants for
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the suspected killers for unlawful interstate flight. Agent Peter Crist
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: and his team were frustrated that after six days, four victims,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and thousands of manners, The killers remained a half day
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: ahead of the FBI.
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: A lot of things were going through my mind. Number one,
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: we didn't want another double homicide. We didn't want another
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: killing anyplace. And we were, I guess, what I kept
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: thinking about, what have I not done? What lead have
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: I not sent out? Let me look everything over again
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: to see maybe if we can somehow get ahead of
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: these guys instead of being behind them for a half day.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Or a day. The nationwide hunt for Gilbert and Elliot intensified.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Law enforcement agencies mobilized additional helicopters to search for Roxy
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Ruddle's two-toned pickup truck on routes heading west. Long-haul truck
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: drivers were also notified to report any sightings on the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: road or at rest stops. Hundreds of calls poured into
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: police in Oklahoma. Missouri, and Ohio. But none led to
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the fugitive's immediate whereabouts.
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: Every time the phone rang, I was very concerned that
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: it would be another body. And that's a terrible feeling
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: when you're working a case like this, when you know
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: what has happened up to that point and what you envision.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: The worst thing you can envision in your mind would
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: happen if this thing continued. So every time the phone
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: rang and somebody said it was for me, that was
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: my biggest fear. That was the first thing that came
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: into my mind. Oh, we found another body.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: The two suspected spree killers had chosen elderly people and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: women as their prey. And the FBI didn't know where
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: or whom they would strike next. By September 5th, 1994,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: after a week of searching, the FBI and local law
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: enforcement were no closer to finding two suspects in a
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: killing spree that spanned three states. Agents believe that 22-year-old
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Lewis Gilbert and 16-year-old Eric Elliott were headed to the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: home of Elliott's mother in California, driving a stolen two-tone
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: pickup truck with Oklahoma plates. Missouri Lieutenant Timothy Daimler feared
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the murder suspects would kill again if they decided to
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: steal another car as they traveled west.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: I wasn't thinking serial killer at the time. I guess
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: what was going through my mind at the time was
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: that these guys didn't care who they killed, and I
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: was thinking that we need to catch these people.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: News reports and bulletins alerted people in western states that
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the suspected killers were headed their way In New Mexico,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: state police criminal agent Daniel Becker first heard about the
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: fugitives through the media.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: My initial thought was that the chances of them being
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: apprehended in New Mexico were extremely slim because of the
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: wide open spaces that we have and a relatively small
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: amount of law enforcement that we have throughout the state.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: The same day the reports began to hit the news
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: in New Mexico, Gilbert and Elliot stopped at the rural
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: home of an older couple 15 miles south of Santa Fe.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: They claimed that the stolen two-tone pickup truck was low
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: on gas. The couple agreed to help. The fugitives said
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: they were on their way to California but the woman
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: was suspicious and she didn't see any luggage in the truck.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: To her, they seemed jumpy and left in a hurry
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: when they heard the noise of nearby construction work The
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: woman reported the sighting to the New Mexico State Police.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: But by the time units arrived to investigate, the two
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: young men were nowhere in sight. The following morning of
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: September 6th, a New Mexico man reported another sighting to police.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: He claimed to have seen Gilbert and Elliot the previous night.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: The man told the officer that he first encountered them
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: while driving on Highway 599 outside Santa Fe. The motorist
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: saw two young hitchhikers and pulled over to pick them up.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Hey, how's it going?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Thanks for picking us up, man. They said their pickup
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: truck had gotten stuck in the mud. He didn't realize
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: who they were until he saw their photos on the
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: news the next morning, describing them as suspected killers. The
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: witness said he gave the pair a ride to the
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: store where they bought food and gas. Later that night,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: he saw them again and drove them back to the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: place they had first met. It was a desolate part
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: of the highway The officer needed a landmark to estimate
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: where the motorist had dropped the fugitives The man said
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: it was close to a small overpass In the chance
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: that the fugitives were still in the area He alerted
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: all area law enforcement. The New Mexico State Police were
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: aware they had to move fast. Two units raced to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the location to conduct a search for any trace of
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the suspected murderers. They found the overpass in a remote area.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Reports had warned that the Ohio men were armed. Gilbert
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and Elliot would be tired and desperate after running and
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: hiding for seven days with little money. Officers prepared for
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the worst. If the fugitives were still in the area,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: they had miles of shrubs and hills behind which they
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: could conceal themselves and take aim at anyone approaching. Exactly.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Officers were instructed to use extreme caution. The team wanted
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: to bring them back alive. They scanned the dust for footprints,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: food wrappers and soda bottles. Anything that might indicate the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: suspected killers was still.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: In the area.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: They approached one of six culverts underneath the highway. Carefully,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: they moved forward for a closer look. One officer spotted
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: two men lying on the ground inside, apparently sleeping. One
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: of the startled men appeared to be groping for his
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: gun in the dark. In the next split second, officers
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: had to decide whether they needed to use deadly force
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: to stop the suspected spree killers. On September 6th, 1994,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: New Mexico State Police were within a few feet of
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: murder suspects Lewis Gilbert and Eric Elliott. The fugitives reached
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: for their weapons, but chose not to die. After a
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: murder spree that took the lives of four victims in
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: less than a week, the pair was arrested without a struggle.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: The 1,800-mile chase had ended. FBI Special Agent Peter Christ
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: got the news of their arrest in Ohio.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: My reaction, of course, when I received that news was
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: a tremendous sigh of relief. The first thing I wanted
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: to know, it was after they'd been caught, were there
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: any bodies, were there any unsolved homicides close to where
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: they were arrested?
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Of course, the.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: Answer was no. Just a tremendous sigh of relief that
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: this whole thing was finally over.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Officers recovered a. 22 handgun and a green soda bottle
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: at the campsite where the pair were apprehended. They also
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: found the bedspread belonging to the murdered Mrs. Brewer. State
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: police found Roxy Ruttle's stolen pickup two miles away near
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: a racetrack in Santa Fe. Like their other two stolen vehicles,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the truck was stuck in the mud. Examining fingerprints, crime
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: scene and lab investigators matched personal items to the murdered
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: woman in Oklahoma City. Investigators also found another green soda bottle,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the same brand they had found under the culvert and
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: in Ruth Loder's car. Eric Elliott and Louis Gilbert were
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: taken to the New Mexico State Police District office in
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Santa Fe. If they could turn one against the other,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: their prosecution would be assured. 16-year-old Eric Elliott made one
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: phone call call to his father in Ohio and refused
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: to say anything about the killings. Now it was Lewis
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Gilbert's turn. The ex-convict waived his rights and agreed to
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: be interviewed. New Mexico State Police criminal agent Daniel Becker
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: had little time to prepare.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Gilbert revealed very little during the first hour of our
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: interview about these killings. A couple times he made mention of,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: I asked him if he had did this out of,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: for some justifiable reason, or if he's a cold-blooded killer,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: and he responded by saying, one of those.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Gilbert claimed that he didn't recall what had happened over
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the past five days of.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: Did you murder him?
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: He refused to say anything about the murders or Mrs.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Loader's disappearance. Frustrated, the investigator left the room. A few
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: moments alone was all Gilbert needed.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: After we had taken our first break, Gilbert began to
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: open up a little bit more And he actually made
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: an admission that he had killed between one and five people.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: And when I had asked him why he had killed people,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: he said, for stupid reasons.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Gilbert began by recounting the day he met the woman
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. He said that he and Elliot struck up
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: a conversation with Roxy Ruddle when they found her fishing alone.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: in a secluded area of Draper Lake near Oklahoma City.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: They told her that their car was stuck in the
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: mud and needed a ride back to town. She offered
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: to help and packed up her gear. Her pickup truck
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: was parked just up the hill Give.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Me the keys.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: When her back was turned, Gilbert pulled the. 22 pistol
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Elliot had taken from his parents' Ohio home. Then Gilbert
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: told Elliot to tie Ruddle's hands. Gilbert said Ruddle cried
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and asked him not to hurt him. Elliot stayed behind
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: while Gilbert marched Ruttle into the woods. He told her
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: to sit down at the base of a tree. Then
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: he shot Roxy Ruttle. Now that Gilbert had admitted to
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: one murder, the agent pressed him on the others. He
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: asked the confessed killer to describe what had happened in
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Missouri the day before he got to Oklahoma.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Gilbert advised me that they had been traveling through the
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: state of Missouri, and the evening before the murders, they
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: had parked the stolen vehicle that they had obtained in
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Ohio in what I was led to believe was a field.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: and they'd slept in the vehicle overnight, and the following
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: morning or afternoon when they were about to leave, they
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: realized the vehicle was stuck, so they needed to get
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: another vehicle.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: As Missouri investigators believed, Gilbert and Elliot had simply walked
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: to the closest house and saw a car in the driveway.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: It was the home of Mr. and Mrs.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Brewer.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Gilbert decided they'd ask to use the phone to call
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: for a tow.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Wanting to help, the brewers let the young men in.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Once inside, they learned that they didn't have a telephone book,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: so they couldn't come up with a number to call
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: for a wrecker. And it's at that point that Gilbert
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: told me that he decided, or they decided, that they
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: were going to kill the Brewers.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: They led the grandfather and grandmother into the basement. Then executed.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Them.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: There was one more crime that Gilbert had not discussed.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: The elderly cancer patient from Ohio, Mrs. Loader, was still
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: missing and presumed dead. No one knew what had become
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: of her. On the evening of August 29th, 1994, Lewis
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Gilbert and Eric Elliott approached Mrs. Loader's Port Washington home
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: to steal her car. Since no one answered when they knocked,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: they believed the house was empty. So they broke in
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: to search for the car keys. After 10 minutes, they
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: still hadn't found the key As they rummaged through the
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: living room, they were startled when Mrs. Loader suddenly appeared.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: He claimed Mrs. Loader was still alive when he locked
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: her in the trunk of her car and sped off.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: They got about four miles outside of town in a
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: wooded area, and they pulled up alongside of a guardrail
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: and parked, got outside, Gilbert told me that he opened
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: the trunk and he picked up Mrs. Loader out of
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: the trunk and they took her off the road near
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: the guardrail about five feet from the side of the road.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Gilbert said he forced Mrs. Loader to walk away from
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the car. He said he shot her with the same.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: 22 that had killed the others. Gilbert had finished his
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: description of the murders. but he hadn't told the agent
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: where they could find the murdered Ohio woman.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: We knew it was crucial to find Mrs. Loader's body,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: both as evidence so this murder could be prosecuted and
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: also just simply as closure for the family so that
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: they could find her and make for proper arrangements for
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: a funeral.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Gilbert gave authorities directions to find Mrs. Loader's remains. 50
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: people from the FBI and 12 different law enforcement and
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: volunteer groups followed Gilbert's directions. They searched for the dead
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: woman in fields and woods and hills for days. But
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: the 79-year-old widow and mother of four was never found.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Sheriff Walter Wilson continues to work the open case.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: When you work a murder case, you almost become part
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: of the family, so to speak, because your goal, obviously,
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: is to solve the crime, to help the victims, the
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: surviving victims, as much as you possibly can. It's something, obviously,
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: that will never, ever be forgotten. I have a high
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: respect for the Loader family. having got to know them
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: very well. I feel bad to this day that we've
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: not yet been able to recover Mrs. Loader's remains.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Sixteen-year-old Eric Elliott stood trial as an adult in Oklahoma.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Elliott was found guilty of first-degree murder for his participation
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: in the killing of Roxy Ludlow. He was sentenced to
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: life without parole. In Missouri, after 57 years of marriage...
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the Brewers were laid to rest. Unlike the family of
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Ruth Loader, the Brewer family was able to have some
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: closure for their tragic loss. After being sentenced to death
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: for the murder of Roxy Ruddle in Oklahoma, Lewis Gilman
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: was extradited to Missouri, where he stood trial for the
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: murders of William and Flossie Brewer.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Lewis, where's Ruth?
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Where's the lady in Ohio?
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: Where's Ruth, Lewis?
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Give her family a break. He remained silent on the
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: whereabouts of Ruth Loder's remains. Since the Ohio woman has
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: not yet been recovered, there has been no trial date
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: set to answer for her kidnapping and murder. For her
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: family and friends, Gilbert and Elliot's actions are unconscionable.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: I've often thought what goes through their mind or what
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: causes them to do that, and I really, it's hard
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: to understand or think what they're thinking other than obviously
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: they have to be very evil people.