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55KRC Friday Show - Tech Friday, Todd Zinser, Luke Rosiak, Jack Windsor · Brian Thomas

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Five o five.
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: I think you've got KRC the talk station.
• 0:10
  Speaker 3: Happy Fridays, Memorial Day weekend.
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: Woo, especially if you got your grass cut yesterday. I did.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: It's the little things in life, especially when you get older,
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: conversations about things like, oh my god, I realize I'm
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: older because well, uh, we were talking about cutting grass
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: and the timing of cutting grass and all that. Anyhow,
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm glad I got mine done. I guess you
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: got a couple hours between now and when the rain
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: shows up in the neighborhood. If you were not or
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: capable of cutting your grass yesterday, boy, I could watch
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: that stuff grow. Brian Thomas right here sounded like an
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: old guy talking about cutting. It is Friday. I'm happy
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: about that. I'm looking forward to a three day weekend,
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: and you know, remembering those who paid the ultimate sacrifice
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: for the country, serving their country and dying in the process.
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: Memorial Day, that's what that's all about. And hope you
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: have something that you are going to have on your
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: schedule to perhaps remember the fallen soldiers. You can show
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: up a Gata Heaven cemetery. I know they're doing the
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: thing I've been talking about that of late and I
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: love talking to you. Feel free to give you a call.
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: Five one, three, seven, four nine fifty five hundred, eight
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  Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two to three Taco with pound five
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  Speaker 2: fifty on eighteen t phones. Good morning, Joe Streker, Executive producer,
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  Speaker 2: Internet research Guru, all round, great guy and the guy
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  Speaker 2: who's responsible for the rundown every single day right here
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  Speaker 2: Tomorrow this morning, of course Tech Friday with Dave Hatter
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  Speaker 2: six thirty. We'll be talking about the price of quote
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: and it's in quotes free. There's that word free a
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  Speaker 2: lot of times. I love that word, but when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to electronics and things like this, like Gmail, for example,
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: apparently there is a price to be paid in spite
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  Speaker 2: of the fact that it's labeled free. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about that with Day follow by doctor Ai chat Bottom.
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  Speaker 2: I got that right anyway, Apparently don't use it. It's
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: wrong eighty percent of the time, and I'm sure it's
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  Speaker 2: just an illustration of the broader problems of relying on AI.
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  Speaker 2: And finally, WEIMO in Atlanta. Well, it went crazy and
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad it's on the list. As I saw that article,
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  Speaker 2: Apparently these weymos, which are self driving cars. It's like
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: calling a cab, except the Waimo shows up and there's
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: no one in it. Well, apparently, if they don't have
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  Speaker 2: anything to do, they may circle your neighborhood. There was
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  Speaker 2: a neighborhood in Atlanta they had all these weymos were
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: showing up and just driving around in a circle. So
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  Speaker 2: we'll find out about that, of course, illustrating a broader
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  Speaker 2: port he's made before. What happens if someone takes over
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: the self driving feature and makes a car do stupid
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  Speaker 2: and crazy things, perhaps with nefarious intent. Citizen Watchdog in
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  Speaker 2: studio the City of Cincinnati. I don't think fully appreciates
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: the benefit that Todd Zenzer brings through his watchful eye.
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  Speaker 2: Former Inspector General for the United States of America Todd
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  Speaker 2: Zenser spending his retirement looking as our being the Inspector
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  Speaker 2: General for free mind you, it's a hobby looking into
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  Speaker 2: the annex of Cincinnati City Council, the mayor, the city manager.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think he'll bring up non governmental organizations this morning, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: I know this city funds a lot of those, and
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  Speaker 2: I do have a comment about that here. Momentarily, I
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  Speaker 2: am so looking forward to it not that I'm not overlooking.
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  Speaker 2: Todd Zenzer in studio for a full hour on City
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  Speaker 2: Shenanigan's eighth five. Luke Rosiak, he's the Daily Wire reporter
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  Speaker 2: who was behind the series of articles about medicaid fraud
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  Speaker 2: in the state of Ohio, and it's bad. And you know,
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: when you look at national reporting, Minnesota, of course is
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  Speaker 2: always the first and foremost thought that the big bomb
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: that drop was the leering centers and all the fraud.
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  Speaker 2: There's been prosecutions and I've look allegations of racism because
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  Speaker 2: it involved the Somali community. The Daily Wire reporter looked.
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  Speaker 2: Rosiack will be on an eight oh five the story
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  Speaker 2: on Ohio, or at least elevated it beyond beyond most
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  Speaker 2: people's attentions like WHOA, Ohio's that bad. Yeah, Ohio's that bad.
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  Speaker 2: Billions of dollars in fraud, waste and abuse here in Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Looke will talk about that at eight oh five. And
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  Speaker 2: then of course it's Friday. Jack Windsor from the Isle
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  Speaker 2: Press Network on Ohio's medicaid scandal. Continuing a theme, and
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  Speaker 2: voter ID requirement has been added to the state constitution.
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  Speaker 2: It has a question mark after it. We'll see Jack
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  Speaker 2: Windsor eight thirty so and eight two to three talk.
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  Speaker 2: It's racism, right, going after this small amunit community committing fraud.
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  Speaker 2: I love this from the New York Post and there's
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  Speaker 2: her mugshot. Oh my god. The founder, founder, as in,
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  Speaker 2: the person responsible for the person who had the brilliant
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  Speaker 2: idea for the Minnesota foodstamp program that ultimately ripped you
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  Speaker 2: and I off, the American taxpayer of a quarter of
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  Speaker 2: a billion dollars off to prison for forty one years.
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  Speaker 2: Amy Bach is her name. That doesn't sound like a
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  Speaker 2: Somali name, does it, Joe amy Bach? Oh no, She's
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  Speaker 2: not a Somalian. This is the whitest white woman you
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  Speaker 2: could come up with. She's the founder of this whole thing,
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  Speaker 2: the whole behind the fraud scheme. I thought this was
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  Speaker 2: all racist, going after the Somalis. Well, they got her.
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  Speaker 2: She is not a member of the Somali community. Convicted
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  Speaker 2: of all counts in March of this year, prosecutors described her,
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  Speaker 2: as the in their words, ring leader of the biggest
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  Speaker 2: pandemic era fraud scheame in the country. All the other
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  Speaker 2: at least most of the other defendants in the case
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  Speaker 2: are right, Somali immigrants and the recipients of the aid
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  Speaker 2: of this organization founded by white woman Amy Bach. We're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be members of the Somali community of Minnesota.
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  Speaker 4: Hm.
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe she's racist, Joe. She's coordinating the Somali community
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  Speaker 2: to rip off the Somalians for the benefit of the
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  Speaker 2: handful of people that are working for this organization. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. Is she manipulating the Somali community members. They
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  Speaker 2: falsely claimed to have served ninety one million meals, using
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  Speaker 2: the quarter billion dollar federal funds to bankroll their lavish lifestyles,
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  Speaker 2: which included a Porsche Panamera north of six sixty six figures,
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  Speaker 2: sixty laptops, iPads, iPhones, diamond necklace, braceletneerings, and design her handbags.
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  Speaker 2: Feeding our Future was the organization that this white woman founded.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing to do with racism. Here went from receiving three
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  Speaker 2: million dollars in federal later more than two hundred million
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  Speaker 2: dollars back in twenty twenty one. But when the Minnesota
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  Speaker 2: Department of Education started asking questions, and I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why it was the minister Department of Education, but at
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: least some state entitee was asking questions about it, she
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  Speaker 2: filable lawsuit against the state. Apparently that lawsuit, although the
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  Speaker 2: reporting doesn't reflect how it ended up, the money kept
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  Speaker 2: coming into her organization Feeding Our Futures during her trial.
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  Speaker 2: This is an interesting component. There were at least six
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  Speaker 2: email and text messages between her and Minnesota Representative ileon Omar.
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  Speaker 2: Huh Bach, the white woman who started all of this,
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  Speaker 2: said Omar was instrumental in loosening the laws that set
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  Speaker 2: the stage for the entire ripoff scheme by introducing the
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  Speaker 2: Meals Act to Congress in twenty twenty that allowed the
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  Speaker 2: US to part of Agriculture to issue waivers of school
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  Speaker 2: meal requirements during the pandemic. Oh my god, the pandemic.
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  Speaker 2: We need to loosen our requirements. Oh my god, we're
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  Speaker 2: all going to die. We need to loosen our requirements.
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  Speaker 2: Uh No, we needed to open up for fraud. Apparently,
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  Speaker 2: waivers sharply diminished oversight of the federal food program, allowing
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  Speaker 2: restaurants to participate without the usual site inspection. She was
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  Speaker 2: interviewed in jail by the New York Post. Miss miss Bach,
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  Speaker 2: white woman who started it all, revealed that eleon Omar
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  Speaker 2: would personally step in whenever the waivers ran out, she
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  Speaker 2: said she would The Box said she struggled to believe
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  Speaker 2: that Omar wouldn't have known about the scheme. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: it was so bad and so egregious, and obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if the state took notice of this because of the
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: massive increase in spending that went out. Gee, don't you
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  Speaker 2: think it would have been cool if Ohio had taken
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  Speaker 2: notice of the fraud wasted abuse that literally blew up
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  Speaker 2: in Franklin County.
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  Speaker 5: Huh.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the things we'll be talking about coming
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  Speaker 2: up in eighty oh five with Luke Rosiak from the
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  Speaker 2: Daily Wire. Yeah, the vast majority of funds spent in
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  Speaker 2: Franklin County. It's like red flag, red flag. This is
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  Speaker 2: not This is a statistical abnormality like we have never
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  Speaker 2: seen before. How in the hell is it that Franklin
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  Speaker 2: County alone can consume so much of the medicaid dollars
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  Speaker 2: here in the state of Ohio. Maybe we should investigate. Well,
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: that's kind of box point from the jailhouse talking about
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  Speaker 2: Ilean Omar. How the hell could anybody not see this
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  Speaker 2: and recognize it as fraud or maybe at least look
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  Speaker 2: into it. Because of the amount of money that's going
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  Speaker 2: out in these programs. Nothing to see here, nothing to
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: see here, that's funny. I'm sorry, you know. And fortunately
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: more and more people are catching on to these nonsensical
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  Speaker 2: allegations of racism to the ex Center's racism out in
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  Speaker 2: the world. And I'm sure that there are people who
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  Speaker 2: are racist, these fraudsters, and I would argue the vast
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  Speaker 2: majority of the members of the Democratic Party are like
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: the boy who cried wolf. They scream it at every corner.
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  Speaker 2: They force they used to be able to force you
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  Speaker 2: to cower in the in the face of an accusation
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  Speaker 2: of racism until you put that accusation under the lens
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  Speaker 2: of a sort of logic and reasons, like I've been
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  Speaker 2: saying that everybody seems to have a big acknowledged or
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  Speaker 2: was woken up to. You are insulting an entire race.
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  Speaker 2: For example, when you say they're incapable of getting a
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  Speaker 2: photo ID step back from me, like what you are
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  Speaker 2: insulting logic, reason, and intelligence to say going after fraud, waste,
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  Speaker 2: and abuse in any government program is in and of
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  Speaker 2: itself races just because the focus of the investigation happens
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  Speaker 2: to be a community of color. That's not everybody in
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  Speaker 2: the community. I've been arguing for such a long time,
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  Speaker 2: and people seem to be waking up to that. It's
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  Speaker 2: the subset. It's the criminals, including this white woman, Amy Bach.
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  Speaker 2: How did she get in there? Oh? She started it.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting that got members of the Somali community, not all
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  Speaker 2: of the Somali community, to join in her efforts to
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  Speaker 2: rip you off. Good luck in prison, miss back five
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  Speaker 2: I see her on the phone. You have to take
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: your call in a moment. Got to go for just
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  Speaker 2: a couple of briefwards, be right back.
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  Speaker 6: Let me.
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: Tell you. You got criticized for bumper music earlier in
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: the week. Like sorry, bumper Music's for Joe Strecker and
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  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas. And if you don't like it, I'm sorry.
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: Music subjective. What Joe and I like, we like and
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: if you don't like it, that's okay. We only get
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: a couple of seconds worth, so live through it. Mike.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for holding over the break there. I appreciate
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  Speaker 2: your calling it a happy Friday to you, sir.
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  Speaker 4: What saying to you, my friend, happy Immemorial.
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  Speaker 2: Day and you well, I'm not happy sort of solemn, Yes,
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: thank you. I make the mistake all the time. You
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: want to say happy, as in you want people to
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: remember its Memorial Day, but then when you think about
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: we're honoring the fallen dead, it kind of takes the well,
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: maybe not happy, you know, A salute.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for the connection, sir at A little message
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  Speaker 4: for Amy, baby sweetheart. Remember this word karma. Where is
• 12:36
  Speaker 4: going to be living? Hell? I wish you'd good luck,
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  Speaker 4: my lady. Good luck.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: You talk about Amy Box betting forty years in prison
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  Speaker 2: for ripping you and me off.
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  Speaker 4: I'd rather be dead, my friend.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. That's one of the reasons that by
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: Mike real quick. It's one of the reasons I don't
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: believe the death penalty meanly, because the state can screw
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: up and send somebody off to die when they well
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: hid evidence or whatever. We had many times over that.
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: But the other thing, the other component is think about
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  Speaker 2: Chad molesters, and one category of people that I really
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: have no problems sending off to die for their crimes.
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: The other part of me goes, wait a second, their
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: life will be a constant, living hellish torment. So leave
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: them in jail to have to experience that, because it's
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: better than getting the electric chair. I take the death
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  Speaker 2: penalty all day long over going to jail. Anyway, Sorry
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: to ramble on that mic, it's I'm feeling a Friday overwhelming.
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  Speaker 7: Me.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead, and I hope they lived at the one
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  Speaker 4: hundred years old. Right here we go. You're almost there,
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: my friends, with your cutting the grass, and that makes
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: you happy. You will know when you're there. You get
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: up in the mornings to hear the birds chirp, when
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: you're sitting in your garage waving at the kids on
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  Speaker 4: the school bus going to school. You'll know you're there
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: when you hear me your neighbor's dog bark. That's all
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  Speaker 4: I've got to say, my friend, and again a Memorial Day.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I appreciate that, Mike, and I get
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  Speaker 2: what you're saying. Was having a conversation with my wife
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  Speaker 2: the other day. It's, you know, the idea that you know,
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: you're you're not retired, so whatever vacation you get, you appreciate.
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  Speaker 2: It's nice to have a day off, sleep in and everything.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: But in the back of your mind, at least in
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  Speaker 2: my mind, the way my brain works anyhow, I'm not
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: going to try to impose my brain function on you,
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: but there's always that I gotta go back to work
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: sort of after this period of time, So that sort
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: of relaxations, you know, smell the roses, live in the moment,
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: never really quite manifests itself. So I'm thinking about what
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: he said there, and I'm looking forward on some level
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  Speaker 2: to the day where you know, I don't have anything
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  Speaker 2: in front of me except whatever I choose to do.
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  Speaker 2: And I also have to acknowledge that's kind of a
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: frightening thing, because I contemplate retirement regularly anymore, and I
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: just kind of wonder what the hell I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: do in retirement. Will it be satisfying enough in retire
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  Speaker 2: to merely live in the moment and watch the school
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  Speaker 2: children go off to school, or smell the roses, listen
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  Speaker 2: to the birds, terp. It'd be a nice thing to
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  Speaker 2: be satisfied with that. I just in my brain. I
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: just don't know that that can possibly happen. Hey, let's
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: get rid of daylight saving Let's do the daylight savings
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Billy is this? Finally? Over House Energy and Commerce Committee,
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  Speaker 2: in a forty eight to one vote, advanced the Sunshine
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  Speaker 2: Protection Act, which will make it daylight savings time twenty
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  Speaker 2: four hours day, seven days a week, and three hundred
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  Speaker 2: and sixty five days a year period. End of story.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: House Energy Panel said the Sunshine Protection Act. They put
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: it into the Motor Vehicle Modernization Act, which Trump calls
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  Speaker 2: the Highway Bill. Set it over the House floor yesterday.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: The bill locks the country on daylight savings time for
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: the entire calendar year. Do you have any problem with that?
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: I love that idea. And you know what I just
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: found out from the reporting on this in Newsmax's giving
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: the reporting, I did not know they had done this before.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know how that flew underneath my radar all
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  Speaker 2: these years. President Richard Nixon signed the year round daylight
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  Speaker 2: savings Time in December of nineteen seventy three, apparently in
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: connection with the oil crisis. Okay, whatever, much in the
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: same way the reason we got daylight savings time on again,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: off again throughout the year. The predicate Ford's kind of
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: a stupid idea, But in any event, I guess it
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  Speaker 2: is reported public support for that measure cratered as school
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  Speaker 2: children walk to school in winter darkness, and then President
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  Speaker 2: Ford signed the legislation reversing it in October of seventy four.
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  Speaker 2: Does anybody walk to school anymore? I guess that's a
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: question maybe modern technology, and right, Joe, we do have
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: street lights and sidewalks and modern conveniences and amenities, and
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: a lot more school bus services than we used to
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  Speaker 2: have Babe, back when in the early nineteen seventies. I
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: don't know. I think the landscape has changed a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But is that really the reason why you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to go with daylight savings time all ye around? Because
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  Speaker 2: the school children will have to walk in darkness? Huh whatever,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Liam, I appreciate that. That's kind of where
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  Speaker 2: I am on that subject. Five twenty five. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: local stories or phone calls either way you want to go,
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  Speaker 2: is a okay with me? It is Friday, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: on AT and T phone. I look, All's right with
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: the world. Tom's on the phone, Tom, Good morning, welcome
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  Speaker 2: to the morning show. Good to hear from you.
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  Speaker 8: Happy Friday, Yeah, good morning, Happy Friday. I was listening
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: to people whine about their first world problems. Yeah, and
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: my wife and I were talking yesterday about the school
• 17:59
  Speaker 8: bus stuff. And I went to my elementary school work Gene. Well,
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: they were both in walking distance, so I walked to
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  Speaker 8: school until until high school. And then high school was
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: in the next town to the north. So I got
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: on a bus. And there were like two bus stops
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  Speaker 8: in our town. You had to walk to one or
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  Speaker 8: the other. There wasn't this dropping the kids off right
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  Speaker 8: in front of them? Oh, I know, you do, now,
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: spoil a little brats, I know. Yeah, they get dropped
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  Speaker 8: off right in front of the house. And no, you know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: so it's set a one bus stop that all the
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: other drivers have to be with, you know, and stop four.
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: Now it's like every other house. You have to stop,
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: the arm has to come out and the lights go on.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: And oh, my wife just sent me a text on that.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: She said, we met this guy that she went to
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: school with. And I remember Miniakar from Avella when we
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: visited and mentioned that kids that lived within one mile
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: of the school had to walk to school. There was
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: no bus service for folks. They viewed that as close
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: enough you don't need buses. He mentioned how my brother
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Paul would wave to him as the bus drove by
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: while you walk to school. And apparently they live beyond
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the mile radius so they got bus service. Wow. Well
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: they were a farm community man, and they had rural
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: and they could toughen up and probably I can't imagine
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: any single one of them complaining about it like first
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: world problems, as you suggest.
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: Right, right, rights, It's about as stupid as having a
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: streetcar run on the same line and the buck is
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: run on right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: I mean every time I see that, I'm how ridiculous.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Dave Williams and the Taxpayer Protection Alliance texted Joe and
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I earlier. I think it was last week and there
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: was a if you want to buy a decommissioned streetcar,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: because DC shut their stupid line down, you can acquire
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: a streetcar for the lolo price of thirty five thousand dollars.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Jungle where are you?
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: It cost a heck of a lot more than that originally,
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: I guarante.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no kidding, Jungle Gyms. Maybe good streetcar around
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Jungle Limes.
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that one that's still sitting out still sitting out front.
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: But at least, you know, at least Jim's got it
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: out there for like a an ornament or something. He's not,
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: actually I get think they did talk about trying to
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: use it for the back parking lot.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Or something that. Yeah, yeah, I know, while they were
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: talking about But anyway, Africi cars, Yeah, go ahead.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: You do.
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: It's all the way. It's it's all a waste of money, Brian.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: It's it's all it is. It's it's let's get a
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: big pot of money. Let's come up with a reason
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: for there to be a big pot of money, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: we'll I'll dip our hands into it. Oh I'll get
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: this and I'll get that.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: You know, that's your pressing. You're pressuring because I have
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: a jump the shark story along those lines that I'm
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: gonna get to after the top of the UR News
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: and six o'clock before we get the uh Dave had
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: it's insane.
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: You kind of you kind of did already talking about
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: the Minnesota fraud. That's all the stuff's about. Bran.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, look great, we get a big pile of money.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: The story I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna mention makes
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: that sound legitimate from the get go. I mean we're talking,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: like I said, it's a jump the shark story on
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: n g o s. Create a fake cause and then
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: ask for money for it, and if you're in Seattle,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: most notably, you're probably gonna get it. Tomm you have
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: a message for the listening audience on this beautiful fighting
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: Well, the problem is is they don't ask for it,
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: they demand it, and then they use built trips to
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: get what they want just so they can have their
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: greed satisfied. But don't vote Democrats. Have a great day.
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: That's a great weekend.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Day, Memorial Day weekend. Yes, indeed, you enjoy it. I'll
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: be back on Tuesday to talk with everybody. Ah let
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: us see here. You want to give you award out
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: ya you ready? Here we go. Northern Kentucky is where
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: we are where a mom said her family lost what
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: might have been It would have been said their final
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: goodbye with their son before he took off on deployment
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: to the country of Spain. Out of CVG happened Wednesday,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: eighteen year old Brennan Phillips, and salute to you, Brennan
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: on You're off to your serve your country. Proudly you
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: signed on the bottom line. I have respect for you,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: my young friend. So he's being stationed in Spain, his
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: mom said. American Airlines, the award winning recipient this morning,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: denied the family gate passes to send him off. She
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: says American Airlines refuse to issue gate passes for the family,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: and she suggested this is Kelsey Wood, mother of eighteen
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: year old Brandan Phillips. Wood said these passes are standard
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and allow families time to process the emotions saying goodbye.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Of course, can only imagine how that difficult. That is,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Wood set her family planned to get the guest passes
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: at the gate and share the final lunch with Phillips
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: at the airport. Airlines says. She said, airlines issue gate
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: passes from military families so they can have that last
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: moment together. That opportunity is given for the struggle, the
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: emotions behind it. She's quoted as saying, talking to Oh
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Waxix got to give props to the local, not Fox
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: nineteen reporting, Woods said, American Airlines agent at the desk
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: started asking questions, does his orders say he's being deployed?
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Did they in fact state that we were told? They
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: did not. They said there was no return date. That's
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: because he's not returning, Woods said. Woods said the American
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Airlines refused the issue the pass. She walked over to
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: the United Airlines counter and had no problem getting one,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: but had to return her when the staff realized the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: son was flying on American Huh. How is it that
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: United could issue a pass and American would deny it,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: she asked. Legitimately, hmm. Interesting. Anyway, young man made it
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: safely to Spain. She's left to wonder how her family
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: was treated in one of the hardest moments, because these
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: moments are important, they could be the last, or the
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: airline wished Philip safety and his success and his assignment
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: would file to complain with American Airlines and received an
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: email response with that acknowledgment. She said, it doesn't fix
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: what happened. Now she's speaking out so the military famies
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: can hopefully avoid missing the goodbyes with their loved ones.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: So I guess make a phone call in advance, make
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: sure that it's taken care of in advance, or I
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: suppose a final goodbye could be said anywhere, or don't
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: fly American. Well, there is that option, Joe. You're right.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Apparently United is far more accommodating along these lines. So
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: if you're making your choices on air travel, there's a
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: reason you might want to go United. As a post
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: to American Joe, we want to give me an award
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: this morning, peries the biggest douche of the universe, in
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: all the galaxies. There's no yeah, good points of you
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that you've reached the top the cinnacle of douche. In
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: an effort to go unring the bell of the award.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I guess they anticipated getting here. In the fifty five
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Carse Morning Show a letter to the parents, and the
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: family offered him a seventy five dollars voucher. Okay, five
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: thirty seven, right, now be right back when the stack
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: is stupid, don't go away.
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  Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC.
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  Speaker 2: McKay blumbers since today's Largeno on a Friday, the happy
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• 25:12
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• 25:15
  Speaker 2: yesterday all a fifty five care see dot com. Let's
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: go to the phones before get to the stack of stupid. Keith,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: thanks for calling this morning and try to make it
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: a happy Friday.
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: Welcome, Hi, Brian, how you doing.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: It's Friday?
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: You know, I really hate to say it, but I
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: think sometimes between Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, pardon a pun,
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: but we might have to send Flamenza Tesio and Luco
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: Bratzi over to irandom Wacken real good, because they're definitely
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: not getting a message about the uranium. Also, I think
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: maybe we need to put a severed camel's head on
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: the present on the bed of their present fearless leader,
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: because he's just not getting a message and Also, I
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: think we might Israel might have to send the guys
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: the hit man on ice. It's a lot of chocolate
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: factory over there to whack them real good too.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Keith, I do understand where that sentiment comes in. I
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: only have to observe. Oh, if it were only that easy.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Greatest a military the world has ever seen, the United
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: States military, and every single resource it's got, can't get
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: a fifteen mile strip of sea opened up in ferry
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: boats through it brought to its knees by a well
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: what we would all argue is an inferior country with
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: an inferior leadership and a source of an inferior political structure.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: They brought the world kinda at least twenty percent of
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the world to its knees. It's amazing, isn't it frightening?
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: As well? There's just a sober reality you have to
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: factor in. I agree with what you're asking for, and
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I wish it was that easy. We pulled it off
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: in Venezuela. It's a little bit more complicated. When Joseph
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Wow Bellefonte, Ohio, you got Vincent Jacob Winter. He's thirty five.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: He's been charged with one kind of felony aggravated trespassing. Apparently,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: he was arrested Sunday during a burglary investigation. Police report
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: says an officer showed up at the city water department
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: wells after a city employee found the door of one
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: of the wells kicked in. Also showed the officer a
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: pair of shorts and underwear you see you know where
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: this is going that were lying in the grass there.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Officer found a wallet, pair of shoes with the Winter
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: with Winter's Michigan driver's license, so he left some evidence
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: there clearly. Search of property found a man later confirmed
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: to be mister Vincent Jacob Winter, alongside a child, both
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: both naked and covered in mud. It says Winter was
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: also holding a metal pole. Phrasing. Reports said the officer
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: told Winter to drop the pole several times, that he
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: kept approaching until the officer that he quote needed to
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: stand down or he would be executed. That would be
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: him telling the officer that what are also allegedly said
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: that he was the president I'm thinking Joe. When he
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: kept approaching, the officer used as stun gun. He said,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Winner fell onto his back, but ripped the wires off
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: of the stun gun got up and charged the officer
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: stunn Day second time, but once again pulled the wires
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: off and then ran into the woods. Second police officer
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: who responded for backup able to locate Win and arrest him. Meanwhile,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: first officer who responded said he calmed the child, who
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: was described as a five year old, and then called
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Chold Protective Services. The report did not indicate how the
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: child was connected or if he was connected Winner. Winner
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: taken to the hospital before being transport of the Logan
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: County Jail Belfontein Unisipal Court. Clark said he is scheduled
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: for a preliminary exam. I believe it's twenty six, so
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: you got time to show up ten am of the
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Belfontaine Unispoal Court if you're interested. If the court determines
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the case should proceed, he would be bound over the
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Logan County Common Police Court. Okay five forty five fifty
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  Speaker 2: at talk station by fifty one fifty five car CD
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  Speaker 2: talk station. Try to make it happy Friday and wishing
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: everyone a solemn Memorial Day. Let's go to the stack
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: of stupid. We go to Ashford, where a man was
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: arrested after police said he broke into a neighbor's apartment
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: while naked. Of course it is Friday. This is the
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: stack of stupid. Woman told police she woke up to
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the man, this man, forty four year old Laramie Briggs Junior,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: who happens to be her neighbor. What he broke in
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: her home and began performing a sexual act over the
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: woman while she was lying on the couch. This way,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: why are you doing that? I think we can all
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: figure that one out. This according to the Connecticut State
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Police Apartment. I don't know if they have the Castle
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: di doctrine in Ashford, Connecticut, or could the state of Connecticut.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: This guy is is tattoo neck, guy's got tattooed, tear drop,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: got piercings all over him. The guy is scary to
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: look at in and of itself. But you know he
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: comes into someone's house butt naked and starts performing a
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: sexual act. This did not work out. This would not
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: work out well in my home and something more would
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: have happened to mister Briggs then shoving him out of
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the home, which is what police say happened. They just
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: kicked him out. Troopers showed up at two thirty in
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the afternoon. That's when the woman identified the suspectors or neighbor.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Troopers found Briggs in his apartment, but he refused to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: come out and speak with the police. Troopers went into
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: his home gave him verbal commands. Police said he did
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: comply with it, and that's when he was taken into custody.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: He charged with second degree burglary, interfering with or resisting
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: an officer, and disorderly conduct. Held on a one hundred
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars bond. Obviously not in front of
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Judge Silberstein here in Hamilton County. Scheduled to peer at
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the State Superior Court later. Yeah, that's a warning. Do
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: all would be breaking naked guys anyhow. Police in Tennessee
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: confirmed the death of a pedestrian who was fatally struck
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: by a semi trucking. Metropolitan Nashville Police Department report indicates
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the about quarter to two in the morning at the
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: intersection of Harding Place and Donaldson was where this accident occurred.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Official say preliminary investigation indicated that the pedestrian was not
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: wearing any clothing and acting erratically standing in the middle
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: of the intersection that the truck driver attempted to pass
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: through and did attempt to avoid the pedestrian naked. Despite
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: of the attempts to avoid him, police said, the man
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: jumped onto the truck and then fell back onto the road.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: When he was struck, the rear of the trailer driver
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: stopped stated at the scene, like we drivers have to
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: do it any accident. Scene. Police said there was no
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: evidence of impairment on the part of the driver and pedestrian.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Taking the Vanderbilt University Medical Center where he died as
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: a consequence of his industry in injuries investigation is ongoing.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Medical examiner is going to work try to figure out
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: who this guy is through fingerprints and probably a toxicology.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking, Joe, Ah, how about one of
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: those motion lights, you know when he'd walk past the thing,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the light comes on. Okay, you got that in mind.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: We go to Florida. Sixty two year old man there
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: named Robert Boston was ultimately arrested because he went over
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: to his neighbor's property at three o'clock in the morning
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: with a ladder upset about the malfunctioning motion light. I
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: guess it was just kind of flickering on and on.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: So he placed the ladder against the house next door,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: walked up, yanked the flood light off the wall, left
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and on the ground, forcefully removed it so much that
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: he caused eight hundred dollars in damages by pulling the
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: wiring loose from inside the wall, all while completely naked.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: And of course this was caught on surveillance footage. How
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: hard is it? Well, he did have a watch on
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: and also apparently a headlamp and flip flop. So my
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: comment that he was completely nd naked, mostly naked, arrested
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: for trespassing your criminal mischief. You gotta wonder what was
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: going through that guy's head. Yes, he's angry about the
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: flickering white don't you think you might at least want
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: to throw a set of shorts on or something? Fivefty
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: five fifty five kres to the talk station. I mentioned
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: to Tom at the bottom of the hour, I think
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I have the ultimate non governmental organization jump the shark story.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I'll let you decide for yourself. But you know, in
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: a world where government money flows out, that will be
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: you going to work and giving the tax collectors your
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: money and then they send it out in the world
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: for stupid things. I may have found the stupidest again
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: you can decide. We'll do that after the top of
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: the hour, news that a Tech Friday with Dave had
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: or coming up at six thirty. I'll be right back
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: at the top of the hour. Here the top stories
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: of the day six or six to fifty five karrosee
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the talk station barn Thomas glad. It's Friday, as I
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: always am, and of course a solid Memorial Day wishes
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: to my listening audience, honoring the folks who paid the
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: ultimate sacrifice and service to their country. That'd be Monday,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: so as we enter Memorial Day weekend, it's a three
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: day weekend for me. I just found that out this morning.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I knew it was a holiday. I just didn't realize
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: that I was off on Monday. So on Monday for
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: hearing the fifty five Carsea Morning Show, it will be
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: a best of show. Draw your own conclusions as to
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: whether that is an appropriately named program. But coming up
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: on the fifty five Carsea Morning Show, it is Friday.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: It is the six o'clock hour, and you know, bottom
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: of this hour, Tech Friday with Dave Hatter. That's one
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: of the best. We were labeled as one of the
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: best podcasts on the subject matter we deal with in
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: the entire country. Made it was at number nineteen. We
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: made it to Joe on the list of forty or
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: fifty with a bullet that's Dave Hatter gets all the
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: credit for that. I am a mere facilitator of the
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: information he provides. And you really should pay attention to
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Dave trying to keep us all out of trouble. Today
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about the price of quote quote
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: free Gmail. Nothing is free, says Dave. Had her every Friday,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: even if you're not paying money for it. AI chatbot
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: one format anyway, apparently gets the answers wrong eighty percent
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of the time. And Waimo the self driving taxi's gone
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: a little crazy driving around neighborhoods by themselves. They took
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: her over to the Latin neighborhood driving in circles. I
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: guess in their off hours. Citizen Watchdog in an hour,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Todd Zenzer is going to be in studio. What a great,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: great guy he is dedicating all of his spare time
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: in retirement to being the Attorney General Inspector General for
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the City of Cincinnati, and yeah, we got problems on
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: our hands in the City of Cincinnati, you know, like
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: non governmental organizations. I'm going to get to that in
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: just a second. Here Daily Wire reporter Luke Rosiack coming
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: up in eight oh five. He's the one that broke
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of the news on the Ohio Medicaid scam.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Outstanding reporting and lots of questions to ask Luke about
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: the shenanigans going on here in Ohio, which are starting
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: to sound like they're almost as big as the ones
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: in Minneapolis where no, as I pointed out in the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: last hour, it isn't racist in Minneapolis, although the Somali
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: community was deeply involved in fraud, apparently, at least in
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: terms of one of the programs that was convicted. This
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: woman convicted of fraud wasted abuse one quarter of a
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: billion of a billion dollars i e. Two hundred and
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: fifty million dollars. Amy Brock is going to jail for
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: forty one years because she ripped us all off and
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: look at her, blonde, white woman, the ring leader of
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: what is described as the biggest pandemic era fraud scheme
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: in the country. The rest of them her minions in
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: this one also, many of whom have been convicted or
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: are a facing conviction Somali immigrants. So these allegations are racism.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: The person behind the whole thing a white lady, at
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: least as to that one one. But pivoting over too oh,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I forgot Jack Windsor from the hog Press network after
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Luke Rosiak from the Daily Wire and the eight eight
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: thirty will be talking about medicaid scandal with Jack, as
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: well as the voter ID requirement and whether that's been
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: added to the state constitution. Shark jump time. You know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I guess you have to ask. If you want money
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: and you want to rip off the American taxpayers, just
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: go to your local city council and demand taxpayer funded
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: resources for what, apparently it doesn't matter. Just come up
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: with the most bat crap woke concept you can come
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: up with and ask for money. In this particular case,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: the City of Seattle's LGBTQ Commission, they have one. I
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: guess they thought it important to urge the socialist mayor there,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Katie Wilson Mayor, to declare a civil emergency over what
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: these crazy activists describe as a growing trans relocation crisis, claiming,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: of course, not relying upon any evidence whatsoever, that tens
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: of thousands of transgender identifying folks from throughout the United
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: States fleeing those evils Publican states in order to seek
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: sanctuary and refuge in Seattle, and it's becoming a growing problem.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, we've had an influx of tens of
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: thousands of displaced transgender folks who ran away from Republican
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: states because why well, genocide. Yeah. Here, let's read a
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: statement from the coalition their public station, a statement promoting
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: a rally, and it's not too late for you to
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: be there. It's taking place tomorrow the former Chaz Chop
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: occupation zone for the purpose of pressuring the mayor and
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Seattle officials into approving the additional taxpayer funded resources for
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: these folks fleeing genocide and viole legislation. That's right, quote,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: genocidal and viole legislation across the United States have left
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: transgender people with one option to flee. These refugees need
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: more support than what poverty stricken, unemployed and overwhelmed volunteers
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: can do. Break that statement down so you have no job, which,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: of course supports the idea that you're poverty stricken, you're
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: volunteering your full time to help transgender issues, or at
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: least the displaced transgender community. And listen, it's their statement,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: not mine. And I suppose how does one qualify relative need?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: The displaced transgender folks fleeing these evil, vile Republican states
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: because of whatever legislation they think they feel they need
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: to flee, heading on over to Seattle. How does one
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: quantify relative need? But according to this group who purports
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: to represent these folks, they need more support than someone
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: who has no job and is unemployed and poverty stricken. Well,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I have to ask myself are they really in dire shape?
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Because they're calling for additional housing too. This is kind
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: of crazy. Specifically, the coalition is demanding x pair funded
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: housing specifically designated for trans identifying individuals. They also want
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: more funding for activists run what they call mutual aid organizations.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what the hell that is, but
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: they're getting money city salaries for activists currently volunteering to assist.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Those are the folks I just mentioned for the unemployed,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: impoverished activists spending all of the time rather than working
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: looking for a job, spending their all the time engaging
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: in activism. We need to pay these people, is what
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: this group is saying, So that in and of itself
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: is crazy. Right, we need to put on the city
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: payroll activists. Well, apparently there's enough I guess, willingness on
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: the part of the activist community to do this unpaid anyhow.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: But I have to note that the folks who claim
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: they've been displaced, they had enough money to travel to Seattle.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: One would think that they're probably well off, that they're
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: well and off off that they can afford to I mean,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: perhaps you know, find an apartment or something. Activists demand
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: protection from the federal government and also the firing of
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: bigoted police their words. Seattle LGBT Commission formal recommendation called
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: for emergency funding streams to support organizations. Oh there's the
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: NGOs out there, organizations that provide housing stabilization, behavioral health support,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: food access, legal navigation, and violence prevention.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: HMM.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Also where city leaders to identify pathways for emergency or
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: expedited funding to support organizations assisting with transgender arrivals. You
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: see what's going on here? You come up, you make
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: up something tens of thousands of fleeing LGBTQ members. These
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: are transgender community folkses. This has nothing to do with
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: being an L or a G. It has nothing to
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: do with being a beat. Those are sexual preferences. Those
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: have nothing to do with denying surgical replacement of genitalia, right,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with that. So let's focus on only
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: the transgender community ins so far as this in the
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: entire nation. And I just used the a chat GPT
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: kind of search here, so I'll take it as its word,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: and I realize it's probably biased. One percent of the
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: entire United States of America identifies as transgender. One. So
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: if you got three hundred and fifty million people to
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: be three point five million people generally speaking, across the
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: entire United States, spread among all the various states. So
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: you're telling me that across the entire United States of
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: a population three point five million people, if you believe
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: that statistic, tens of thousands of them decided to move
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: from because they're fleeing genocide. They made this decision and
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: all chose Seattle as the destination, which, at least according
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: to Moto Action or Moto Hooligans, is one of the
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: coalition of transactivist organizations. It's behind this effort. Tens of
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: thousands of them chose Seattle, so much so that Seattle
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: is now overwhelmed with demand from people who had enough
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: money to flee their state and move there. Does anyone
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: think this doesn't add up logically reasonably, but in an
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: effort to do this, it reveals all of the reality
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: that we're dealing with every single day. The non governmental
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: organizations come up with a crazy idea and ask some
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: stupid city council for money. And if you give them money,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you. See some people have suggested this goes
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: on in the city of Cincinnati. I guarantee you they're
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: going to form a coalition of their fellow peers to
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: vote for you back into office or keep you in
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: your seat, I guess so they can continue the stream
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: of money flowing into their pockets. Anybody think that NGO
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: money's going to do any good? You think this overwhelming
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: challenge they're facing, with tens of thousands of homeless transgender
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: people running the streets and roaming the streets of Seattle,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: do you think that money's going to result in literal
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: housing for them? And all the additional services that they're
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: asking for. What do you think if you really thought
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: you were going to address this brab would you be
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: talking about literally hundreds of millions of dollars? And fun fact,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: this LGBTQ Seattle's LGBTQ commission, their own recommendation letter names
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: several of the organizations as already providing relocation, stabilization, housing navigation,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: legal support, transportation safety planning, and access to gender affirming healthcare.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: So this is actually a thing there. This coalition just
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: wants more, citing this new phenomenon jump the shark. Maybe,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I hope you appreciate that reference. I mean, but I
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: bet the Kami mayor out there and the rest of
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the Seattle the elected officials embraced the concept, and I
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: bet they won't even question it because if they do,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: they'll be identifying the logical and reasons accurate response to
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: like this, You people are crazy. I'm not where did
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: this idea come from? But then, of course he'll probably
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: be targets targeted by a bunch of angry I guess,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: displaced transgender folks from outside of the community who are
• 45:13
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  Speaker 2: over this one. Literally anything that is around me in
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: terms of stories, I'm scratching my head on this morning.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Anyway.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: If piot over to House Minority Leader Representative Hakim Jeffreyes,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: you know him, remember the Congressional Black Caucus. He was
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: on ms NOW formerly MSNBC. I guess doesn't matter. Nobody
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: watches it or listens to it, and so nobody probably
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: this statement, at least of my listening to the audience.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say, Well, are we referring
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: to the House of Congressional Black Caucus. He is speaking
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: as a representative, although he purports to speak on their
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: entire behalf. Maybe he does. I don't know we that
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: is the we he's referring to. Well, we are proud
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: to stand with the NAACP that has appropriately called for
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: black athletes to abandon the Southeastern Conference schools when these
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: schools are in states that are targeting in an unprecedented
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: fashion black political representation. This is the redistricting argument. Now,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you can talk all day long about whether it's the
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: target of black political representation. Apparently blacks can be represented
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: by white people. Just ask Joe Biden about that. Ask
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: to all the other Democrats who scream about black democrats
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: and Democrats need to be Blacks need to be Democrats.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden, if you're not voting for me, then you
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: aren't black whatever. It's insulting as hell, and you own.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Everybody knows that. So no black political representation is not
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: being denied because I'm sure in these very republican states
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: a black Republican can run and the people will vote
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: for that person. But the broader question is that we
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: understand that it's going to require a level of courage
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: and character and conviction, and these are personal decisions that
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: will have to be made. The personal decision is his
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: call for young black athletes to not participate in college sports,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: notably the SEC that's an NC two A division. Now
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: you're an eighteen year old one of these, well in this,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: you know what the goofy part about this. It's not
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: the school that made this decision. It was the state
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: elected officials who decided to go down the redistricting road.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: The school had nothing to do with it, and the
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: school could become completely against it. So anyway, it's not
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: the school to tell it. Fall. But you don't want
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: to playball in a state where they have this going on,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: says hockey Jefferies. All right, let's say you got a
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: scholarship and it's a good school on paper. You know,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: the school wasn't responsible, as I point, for the legislation.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: She have this awesome opportunity, you're gonna be playing college ball.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: You're basically a pro athlete. At that point, you're gonna
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: bend the ask of House Minority Leader Hakim Jeffries and
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: the NAACP to just say no, I refuse to play
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: ball in that state. Joe Igner acknowledges what my dad
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: would have said to that. You know, if I was
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: in that particular position as a black off to college
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: basketball college student. I got two words for you, Hakem
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: and it ain't happy birthday, thanks Jeff, reminding you that
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  Speaker 2: According to business Curl, you guys are business Curry, you
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  Speaker 2: guys are the best in the business when it comes
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  Speaker 2: you've been at this for multiple years. Welcome back. It's
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  Speaker 2: great to have you on the show.
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  Speaker 7: Always my pleasure.
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  Speaker 4: Brining.
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Intrust has been at it for more than thirty
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: and so have I. So yeah, a long time.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: That's amazing. Dave, thirty years in the business. I bet
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: you remember programming in DOS, don't you.
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: I remember DOSS very well. Yeah, we could talk about
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: some DOSS commands if you want batch files.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I used to know how to. I used to know
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  Speaker 2: how to work at DOS and it all disappeared on
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: me when we had well, I guess the various forms
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: of you know, Microsoft and Apple coming out taking the
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  Speaker 2: place of your own.
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: Programming been around for a long time.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Well topic, you know, first out of the gay topic,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: something you were regularly talking about, maybe not as directly
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: as I'm going to unstated, there is no free when
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: it comes to really anything. And that stands also for
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: the case of Gmail.
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Brian, this is the topic you and I have
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: talked about, sort of indirectly many times. There is nothing free, right.
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: Data centers cost money. Servers cost money, that firewalls cost money,
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: programmers cost money, electricity costs money. All the infrastructure that
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: it takes to build these platforms, apps, et cetera run
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: them to provide services to you all cost money, substantial
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: money as a matter of fact. And I think people
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: lose sight of the fact that these companies that are
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: building these things fill in the blank meta alphabet the
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: parent company of Google, et cetera. They're not building this
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: stuff for free, right. They're not doing this out of
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: their goodness their heart. They're building it because they monetize
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: your data. It's called surveillance capitalism. I did not coin
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: that term, although I wish I would have, because it
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: really accurately describes where app and ultimately, you know, if
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: you're not paying with money, you're paying with data. You
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: are the product, not the customer. So Forbes had this
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: piece which I thought was very interesting. And the research
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: is actually based on research from a company called Proton,
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: which is who I use for my personal mail, VPN
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: and various other things. Proton's based out of Switzerland. It's interesting,
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: but for full transparency, right, this is Proton's analysis of
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: what Gmail, what Google ultimately Alphabet, their parent company, can
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: make off a quote free unquote Gmail account. And as
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: you read through this, right, they say what advertisers pay
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: to reach users? Google has a price for use as
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: the company behind Gmail. We found it Proton analyzed over
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: Now I'm quoting directly from this Forbes article fifty four
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: thousand demographic profiles using twenty twenty five ad auction data
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: to estimate advertisers pay to reach different types of Americans.
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: The price point difference is stark, while the averageser generates
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: about one thousand, six hundred and five dollars a year
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: in advertising value. And I just want to stop there
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: for a second. Yeah, you can use other so called
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: free services, or you can pay a nominal fee, generally
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: less than what you would pay for a couple of
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: Starbucks A month to have a private service that isn't
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: using your data and selling your data this way. So
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: the average user generates sixteen hundred and five dollars a year.
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: If you're thirty five to forty four years of age,
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: living in Bozeman, without kids, and using a desktop so
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: you're not using Gmail on your phone, you're using a
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: desktop computer, that figure service is seventeen nine and twenty
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: nine dollars and thirty cents.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: So explain that. Explain that the dollar figure relative to
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: who's getting it and how it's generated, because I'm a
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: little confused, Dave.
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: Well, I think what they're trying to say is that
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: if you're in that particular age range thirty five to
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: forty four and apparently in Bozeman, Montana, and you're using
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: a desktop computer, you are a highly targeted demographic. You
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: must have money and spend money, and thus to advertisers,
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: they are targeting you so that the amount of money
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: the alphabet can charge those advertisers to get to you,
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: to send you the personalized ads and so forth that
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: they're able to do because they're reading your email, they're
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: reading everything that's going through I mean, here's the bottom
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: line right now, and again this is not just an
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: alphabet slash Google specific thing. If your data is going
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: through one of these services, Facebook, whomever, right, they are
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: capturing data about you. So if you're a Gmail user,
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: especially if you have the Gmail app installed, they're not
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: only able to read whatever is in your email, they're
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: potentially collecting other things. We talk about apps all the time,
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: you know, Brian, all the other information that they can
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: potentially collect because you sign off on it when you
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: sign the terms of service and the privacy policy by
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: installing the app. So they're able to collect all this
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: data which they use to build very grand your profiles
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: about you, and then you know, use that to give
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: to advertisers so they can give you very personalized ads.
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: So advertisers are willing to pay big bucks to get
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: to these people because they apparently know I'm speculating here
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: just based on that much larger number. I mean, that's
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: you know, many many times larger than the average sixteen
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: hundred and five dollars. Those are people that have money
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: and spend it. Right then they say, here at the
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: other end of the scale, an eighteen year old to
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: twenty four year old father in Fort Smith, Arkansas, using
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: an Android phone and making low value searches generates thirty
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: one dollars and five cents. Such, it's five hundred and
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: seventy seven times difference between two people using the same
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: free service.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: But they want the ones with buying power. They don't
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: want the chaff. They just want the wheat.
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: That's exactly right now. Later in this article, and I'll
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: post this, people should go see for themselves. They put
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: together an infographic that just shows you some additional high
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: level data. I mean this goes into some more data, right,
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: or seven hundred and sixty dollars is the median annual
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: ad value seventeen nine twenty nine. That the value for
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: the Bozeman person. Then they're going to say top ten
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: percent of profiles are heavy desktop users. They generate forty
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: three percent of all advertiser value. So what that's telling
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: me is people using a computer, a full blown computer,
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: not a phone, are more valuable to advertisers. They spend
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: more money than someone using like an Android phone. And
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: then they say here over a dec over a decade,
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: the average American represents roughly sixteen thousand, fifty dollars inn
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: add value. The most monetized profiles approach one hundred and
• 55:33
  Speaker 7: eighty thousand dollars, you know. And again it's got a
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: lot more detailing here, But the bottom line is, and
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: the point I'm trying to make is surveillance capitalism drives
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: all this stuff. Facebook is not free, TikTok is not free.
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: Gmail is not free. If you're not paying for it,
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: you are the product, not the customer. That's not necessarily
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: bad or nefarious. That's just the trade off you're making.
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: And I would encourage people to find more privacy oriented
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: services where your data is less likely to be used
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: this way, even if you have to spend a little
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: money on it.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, don't use Goog Google. I do believe you've or
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: any alphabet product. You've admonished my listening audience many times
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: in the past over that don't go away. We got
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: to talk about doctor AI chatbot. Apparently, don't use that.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: It's wrong anyway more with tech Friday' Dave Hatter after
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I mentioned Memorial Day coming to a Gate of Heaven
• 56:18
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• 56:26
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• 56:28
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• 56:32
  Speaker 2: at an interest it dot com. I just have to observe.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Is it an interesting The climate change hoak has completely
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: disappeared because we need data centers. So yeah, that disappeared.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: We all noticed that. Sorry, Dave, It's hilarious, just proving
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: me right after all these years I've been waiting for
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: the moment in time we all woke up to the
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: reality that no carbon dioxide is not going to kill us.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: But you're gonna get the answer wrong. If he is
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: doctor AI chatbot, is that what we're talking about?
• 56:58
  Speaker 7: That is what we're talking about. But if I could
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: interject real quickly, I want to give kudos to Ohio.
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: I know we've talked about this a little bit before.
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: You guys really are leading in a lot of ways
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: in cybersecurity, and I especially want to thank Secretary of
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: State Franklerose. They've invited me back. This will be the
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: fourth time now I've gone somewhere in Ohio. We've been
• 57:17
  Speaker 7: to Toledo, We've been going to Dayton, We've been to Columbus,
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: We've been to Cincinnati to do free cybersecurity seminars for
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: small business. It's called are You Cyber Safe? Cybersecurity Basics
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: for Small Business. The next one is next next Thursday,
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: May twenty eight in Dayton on Campus up there. If
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: you just look up Ohio Secretary of State Franklerose, you'll
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: find it online. I've been promoting it in my social media.
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: It's basically a four hour seminar, different speakers talking about
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: topic secured for small business because obviously, small business is
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: the backbone that makes America work, and they are frequently
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: Microsoft just said small businesses are four x more likely Brian,
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: to be the victim of a cyber attack. So are
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: you cyber Safe? Next Thursday? Free Secretary State Frank LeRose?
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: This AI chatbot thing, this is my problem with so
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: much of this stuff, Brian. So what this article says
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: is in a lab under lab conditions, with experts using
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: these tools that know how to do the right prompting
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: and so forth, their diagnoses are as much as ninety
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: percent accurate.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay.
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: But out in the real world, where people are using
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: these tools themselves, they have to enter their own prompts,
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: the accuracy drops to thirty five percent. And you know
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: that could be. You know, it doesn't really get into
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: too much detail about that as much as just that
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: My concern with all of this is, you know, if
• 58:39
  Speaker 7: you don't know how to ask the right question, you're
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: not going to get the right answer.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Garbage in, garbage out right.
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's exactly right. And you've got to remember everything
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: you're putting into these things. If you're talking about sensitive
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: medical conditions you have or think you have, who knows
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: where that date is going, right, who knows how that
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: might be used against you? So I would encourage people
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: to think long and hard about how they use these tools.
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: But this goes on to say multiple studies tested major
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: AI models, including CHAT, GPT, Claude, Gemini, Grock, and others,
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: when given partial medical information the way real conversations unfold,
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: these systems crashed harder than a Windows ninety five computer
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: trying to run Cyberpunk twenty twenty seven. Real humor from
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: the writer there is actually, yeah, if you're a nerd
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: like me, that is actually kind of funny. But they say,
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: you know, these models are great at naming a final
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: diagnosis once the data is complete, but they struggle at
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: open and at start. That's precisely when you're most likely
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: to consult AI, when symptoms are vague and you're fishing
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: for answers. So you know, if you're using these tools
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: in this way, you might want to rethink that or
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: at least do your own research A so you can
• 59:43
  Speaker 7: ask better questions and then b verify the information you're getting.
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: And I would also encourage folks to consider the sensitive
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: information that you're putting in these things and how again
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: where it's going, how it could be used, and how
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: you may ultimately not appreciate that because they're not bound
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: by hip, they have no legal requirement to protect your data.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Of course, not right. So you're the one going out
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: into the wilderness asking out loud questions basically when you're
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: doing these types of searches. So I think you give
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: up any expectation of privacy since you're going out into
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: the world with your open question.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. And again just so folks, if
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: you think you're going to get good medical advice using
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: these things, understand what this study and others have shown
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: and proceed carefully.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, waymo I saw this article and immediately
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: thought of you'd see the talk station. It's Friday, and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: happy one to you. It's Dave Hatter's segment Interust dot
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  Speaker 2: Com for all the help you need for your business
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: computer needs. I love that you're dealing with this story here,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Dave Hadder, because I thought it was really comical. Although
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: if you just kind of step back from the comedy
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: of it, it illustrates your point about how this can
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: be really frightening. What happened with the way Moo taxis.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, this is interesting. So you know, we've heard a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: lot lately about autonomous vehicles, self driving, all that sort
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: of thing. Right, It's gotten as AI has gotten a
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 7: lot more prominent and a lot more press. The idea
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 7: of self driving vehicles has become a lot more popular,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: a lot again, a lot more press. But we've seen
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 7: that these things don't always work as they intend. There
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: have been stories in the past where in some areas
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: where people don't like these things, they'll run up and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: throw an orange cone on the hood and then it
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: just stops because it doesn't know what to do. It
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: thinks there's construction or something. So this this is not
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 7: the first time you've seen this kind of story. And
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: I've said for a long time, Brian, you know I'm
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: not necessarily against this stuff. I can tell you I
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: would love I don't really like to drive that much, Okay,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: because frankly, yeah, I'm one of them. Because frankly, you know,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: it takes your attention. You have to focus on what
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: you're doing. Not everyone is as as kind and considerate
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: as they could be out on the road as I'm
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: sure you know I love.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Those people make drive interesting. It's a makes it more
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: for a more difficult chess game.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: If I could get in my vehicle and it would
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: just take me where I want to go and I
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: could do something else, I would love that. But but
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 7: as a guy who spent most of his career, most
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 7: of the almost thirty years doing this writing software, I
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: know how it works. I know human beings made all
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 7: this stuff. Still it's full of bugs. We hear, you know,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: we've heard about all these vulnerabilities now found by AI.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to trust it. Plus again, what is
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: the decision making process? Sure, I'm sure you've seen the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: old idea of Okay, if you're in some sort of
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 7: self driving vehicle and the choices run over a baby
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: and a baby stroller or drive you off a Cliff,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: what's it.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: Going to do?
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: So, yeah, I won't be writing any fully autonomous vehicles
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 7: anytime soon, simply because I don't trust the software. That's
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: the bottom line that said. This story here, this one
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: was written up in car scoops. Apparently as many as
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: fifty way motags entered a cul de sac in one hour.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: They were just sort of roaming around. No one seems
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: to really know exactly what was going on here. Obviously
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: the neighbors did not appreciate this. And then there's video
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: of this out.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the image of it. These are empty cars.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: There's no driver in any of them anyway, and so
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: they're just kind of driving around your neighborhood like reconnoitering
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: the place for some crime they intend to commit or something.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: That's that's an interesting thought there. Yeah, you can if
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: you go look up this story. Are you just search
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: for this again? Like it from apparently channel two WSBTV,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: Empty waymos invade Atlanta neighborhood Circle cul de sect for hours, right,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: so you can you can go watch the video of this. So,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: in a statement to Road and Track, WAYMOS said it
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: has addressed the strange routing behavior of its autonomous vehicles in Atlanta,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: though it didn't specify the cause. Yeah, they give you
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: some sort of standard corporate promides here about we're committed
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: to being good neighbors and that sort of thing. But
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: you know, if you think about it, right, So, according
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: to one resident who spoke with WSBTV, as many as
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 7: fifty way more robe attacks he's drove around the call
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: to Sack between six am and seven pm earlier this week.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: The extra traffic is a nuisance, but locals say the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: bigger issue is a safety risk given the children of
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: pets lived nearby. Not to mention, you know, what does
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: this do for you trying to get in and out
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: of the neighborhood and just the sort of weird creepy factor.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: I mean, imagine if you looked out and there were
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: suddenly and these cars, from what I've seen at least
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: in this neighborhood all basically look the same. You know,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: they're covered with sensors and so forth, which make this possible. Yeah,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: if you just looked out and suddenly all these things
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: were driving around in your neighborhood, it would be it
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 7: would be unsettling to me at least, So absolutely, Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: And the answer to your question, does the baby get
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: run over or do you drive off a cliff? It
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: depends on who's in the wrong if you're having to
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: make that decision without the use of artificial intelligence or
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: some you know, automated system. If you're in the road,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: you are exercising, you're driving appropriately within the confines of
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: the law, then the baby gets the bad news. But
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: if you're driving erratically, you're drunk, you're impaired, the baby's
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: in the right and is on the sidewalk, then you
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: have to take the bad news. Isn't that how that
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: all works out, Dave.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: Well, you would think, and plus Brian, then what is
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: the legal accountability here? You know, all as far back
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: as like nineteen seventy nine, there's a one of those
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: old school slides if you remember, where you'd like write
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: on the transparency and put it on the overhead projector Yeah,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: that's old guys like us we know about those things,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 7: the overhead projectors and the transparencies. But there's an old
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: slide that keeps showing up allegedly from IBM that basically
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: says something to the effect I'm paraphrasing. You know, computers
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: can't make decisions, management decisions because there's no accountability now.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: You know, obviously, if one of these cars injures someone
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: kills someone, weimo's going to get sued. But again, who
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: is ultimately accountable here? Since there's no driver in the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: car is autonomous? This, in my mind, is going to
• 1:05:56
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• 1:06:00
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• 1:06:03
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  Speaker 6: That's right. The only thing the city relies on is
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• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: actually performed the function that they were being paid to do.
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  Speaker 6: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 6: That's right, all right. The only thing the auditor or
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• 1:08:12
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  Speaker 2: So two and two is four exactly, that's it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Well I.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Didn't question or look into who the money is going to,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: to what purpose or just like the money went out
• 1:08:25
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  Speaker 6: That's right. We are going to provide some input to
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  Speaker 6: the outside auditor about all of these not discrepancies, but
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 6: all these practices of the city that really aren't wise,
• 1:08:41
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• 1:08:43
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  Speaker 6: we're going to write I've already written a letter to
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: the financial advisors on their debt capacity. But we're going
• 1:08:56
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• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: sure the city is properly addressing their finances.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: I will strongly encourage those letters to be written. I
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: just am sitting here with this sort of yeah, right,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: like Hans Blick writing a letter to the Iranians about
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: enriched uranium or something. Yeah, that worked, anyway, Todd z Inser,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: we at least have you there pointing out all these
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: errors and what I would potentially argue some Really, I
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: would say shenanigans in so far as who's getting money
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: and what that money is going to, I think most
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: notably to get campaign workers out to get election people
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: re elected, or in the case of the mayor, maybe
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: get the mayor elected. That kind of thing. Anyway, my
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: subjective opinion on that. Let us start with the Farmer
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Music Center.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Now, Synthhony Orchestra right is in charge of the new
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Music Center formerly Sunlight Pool. That's where this is going, correct,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: an outdoor music venue. We had Riverbend right.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: River Bend still there, pavilion that's still there.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: And so we needed another one. So just let me
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: get through that because I just want to We have
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of music venues, right, yes, but we need
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: another one, says the city, a symphonaty or a symphony
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: or a symphony orchestra. Having struggles today, Todd. They put
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: together the package, They worked the math on it, They
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: decided what it was going to cost. Did they ever
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: at any point in time come to the city since
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Snying say we need you to throw some money at
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: this project to get it finished or get it accomplished.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: Well, they've done that recently.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, recently, but I mean this was in the
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: development stage and it brown ground broke and everything right,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: and then lo and behold.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 6: After all of.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: That, the city decides they're going to put five million
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: dollars towards the project, claiming that the project was going
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: to generate revenue that would make the five million dollars
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: expenditure worth it. The return on investment is going to
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: be so great that this is this is a wash,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: or at LEAs we're gonna we're gonna benefit more financially
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: from that than the five million, since they were never
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: asked for money at the first place. The music venue
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: was going to be built anyway, aren't we going to
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: get whatever return on investment is even without the investment.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: Todds inser, yes, we will.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Then why do we spend five million dollars? Why do
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: the city spend five million dollars on this?
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: Well, it's eight million dollars, of course it is. Well,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: they haven't actually voted on that yet. They voted on
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: putting it in the budget to be voted on.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Which budget comes out this afternoon at some point. That's
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: a Friday going into a three day holiday weekend.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm talking.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: There's nothing nefarious about that either.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: I don't know that anybody's going to be spending their
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: weekend going through the budget and kind of you.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: I know what you're doing. It's going to be rainy
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: out anyway, Todd put your feet up, get it beverage,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: and sit down on the back porch and read the budget.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: But no, seriously, why, I mean, whether or not it's
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: ultimately approved, and let's hope it isn't because it sounds ridiculous.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: Well, here's the thing is that when they decided to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: vote to put this in the budget, I filed a
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: records request to see what analysis, what documents they the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: council members were looking at before they voted on.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: This, because the symphony came to the city and asked.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 6: I think they came to individual members of city council.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: There were four members of city council or five members
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: of city council that pushed this through. But I don't
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 6: think they came to the city. I think they came
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: to city council members.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: And so then it seemed to come out of nowhere.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So the only thing that the city council members
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: were working with was an eight page PowerPoint presentation. And
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: my point was that that's not due diligence. No, whether
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: you're for it or not, you're obligated to do your
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: due diligence. And so we'll see what happens. We'll see
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: whether it makes it into the budget or not. But
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: my guess is that it will be in the budget.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I think a foundational point needs to be made here.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe I should have brought it up the outset. We
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: have a giant hole in the budget, don't we, Yes,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: how many millions of dollars is that were sort of underwater?
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: If I can phrase it that way.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: Well, this is a very good subject because the operating
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: budget is in the hole. They say twenty nine point
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: five million. But the way they're going to pay for
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: this eight million dollars it looks like, is they're going
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: to take money out of the capital budget. And what
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: I've come to find out is that there's all kinds
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: of spending in the capital budget that isn't necessarily related
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: to assets of the city.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: There are parameters around what can be funded out of
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: the capital budget.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: Right, Yes, there's a lot of parameters. But what I've
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 6: found out is that Ohio law says that these economic
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: development projects like the Farmer Music Center, you can classify
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 6: those as capital expenses, which is crazy to me.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: But well it is. But it's a project that the
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: city wasn't even really involved with. No, it's not in
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: the city limits.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: It is in a city. Oh is it?
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Okay? Well you stand correct.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: Well, that campus is what they're calling it. Half of
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: it is in the city and the other half River
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: Bends in Anderson Township.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what I thought the whole thing was.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: So my apologies, riverbend two point zero is going to
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: be in a city?
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Are we a wash in cash on the capital budget side?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: But what they can do on the capital budget side
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 6: is they can borrow money to pay for the things
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: that they've got in the capitol budget.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: So eight million borrowed, meaning debt service has to be
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: paid on that. Like borrowing money to build a street
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: car that no one rides, you got to have the
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: debt service paid on it over time.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: Right. I don't know exactly how they're going to handle
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: the eight million, but I don't think it's going to
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: be in the operating budget. It's going to be in
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 6: the capital budget. They have. They have money in the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: capitol budget. I'm not sure exactly how much that they
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: have some flexibility with flush fund.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I don't call it that.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't call it that now.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: No, okay, well, you.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Know, going back to legally define terms and characterizations.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: But the capital budget does encumber or obligate the city
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 6: to pay these moneys. Right now, the city has got
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: a one point six billion dollar debt. They're they're in
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: debt over a billion dollars, and so that plays into
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: their credit rating with Moodies and whatnot. Oh and so
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 6: they're supposed to be having another briefing from their financial
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: advisors to tell them exactly how much room they have
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 6: to borrow before they start impacting their credit rating.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, we'll put a little more flesh on the bones
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: of that brief top. We've got that to go over.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: We have COVID money to talk about. We've got the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: rail Railroad board he's been working with and following up
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: on convention Center district money. There are so many things
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: that Todd Zenzer can go over in this hour. We'll
• 1:16:12
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• 1:16:38
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• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: away from the Farmer Music Center, which has me baffled.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: City of sin Say is facing a bit of a
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: challenge along the lines of the since Any Public Schools.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: I read the article about sincey Public Schools having to
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: make a bunch of cuts, and I thought it particularly
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: comical that they were complaining. The board was because they
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: have to eliminate some positions, positions that were created with
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: and because of COVID nineteen money. Now you got COVID
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: nineteen the bill passed. The money flows out into the world.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: But by its definition, if you look at it, it's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: a finite amount of money. It is not going to
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: continue into the future.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Like a special project. If you retain for one, you
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: retain for the finite period of the special project, knowing
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: full well when you take that job, you're gonna have
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: to find another one after the project's done. Well, apparently
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: they don't look at it that way. We have that
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: situation going on with the City of Cincinnati in terms
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: of COVID money too. Let my listeners know the disturbing
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: fact you just told me off, Mike.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 6: Well, Cincinnati received almost three hundred million dollars through the
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 6: COVID program called a State and Local Fiscal Recovery Fund,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: and it was that that money, that three hundred million
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 6: was based on a formula that the government used, and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: that formula was very generous to Cincinnati, and the people
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: think that that money was intended to keep the lights on,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: to keep the government's lights on.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's the bill of good we were sold.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 6: It did a lot more than that. About half of
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: that three hundred million, the city could argue kept the
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: lights on, but the other half, the other one hundred
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: and fifty million. According to a report that the city
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 6: filed with the federal government, the Treasury Department, they were
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 6: able to create sixty new programs or contracts helping to
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: implement those programs sixty sixty.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: With COVID money. That's right, the finite COVID money that
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: came in.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: So what did the city think it was going to
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: do when the COVID money wasn't there anymore?
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: Todd Zinzer, Well, I think that's where we're at right now.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: I think that's why this budget is pretty important because
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: it is the first budget since they've cut off the
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 6: COVID money.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, you know what, Todd, I'm happy as I
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: can be that you're here today. But how enlightening this
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: conversation would be if you could go through the budget
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: to see what happened with those sixty organizations. Do you
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: think they will be prioritized over I don't know, maybe
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: long standing challenges and needs the city of Cincinnati has
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: overlooked now for decades.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 6: Well that's the whole issue with the way the city
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 6: is funding all of these programs with the outside organizations,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 6: and you know, it's it's going to be difficult for
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: them now to say, well, we don't have we don't
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: have the money to those outside organizations. And it's really
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: it's really surprising how much money they give out to
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: these community groups.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Right, and this is a growing phenomenon. I mean, if
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: you rolled back how many how many years decades you
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: have to go back when the idea of throwing heap
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: loads of money to any random engio that comes in,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: whether it comes in with their handout. I mean, it's
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: I just read this article. I called it a jump
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: the shark moment at the Seattle for example, the LGBTQ
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: community is claiming that they're in Seattle. They were flooded
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: with tens of thousands of displaced transgender people who fled
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: the evil Red States because of genocide against the transgender
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: community and apparently they all landed in Seattle, so they
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: are in need of housing. What else do they are?
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: They asking for relocation, stabilization, money is I don't know
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: what housing navigation is, but legal support, transportation, just money
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: to the NGOs. They're going to help just the transgender community.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: This is the kind of thing that's going on in
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati basically.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: Right right, what they what they do. In fact, you know,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 6: I have family in Seattle, so I keep track of
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 6: what's going on there.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: You saw that one too.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: And it's very Seattle's experiences are very similar to Cincinnati's,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: but Seattle is a little bigger city. But what happens
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: is they by putting these programs in place the way
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: Cincinnati has is that the city becomes a magnet for
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: people who need these social services, right you know, whether
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: they're from Kentucky or Indiana or Michigan. But we've actually
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: had representatives of the CPD in our Community Council meeting
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: that said, yes, the West Side in particular right now
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: are a magnet for these for these kind of social programs.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 6: And it's a you know, it just snowballs.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Shocking, literally, no one. Yeah, you put a bird feeder
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: up the birds show up the bird feeder. That's correct,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: that's what's going on. That's the crazies out of the
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: world that have their hand in the cookie jar taxpayer dollars.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Realized that Cincinnati is an easy mark.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 6: Well, I actually have used that term before, you have. Yes,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: I have.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Great minds, think a lot. Todds Inser will continue with
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: citizen Watchdog former Inspector jenneral for the United States of
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: America tod Zinser after these brief words words beginning with
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: a shout out the Colin Electric Andrew Cullen and the
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• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: and a happy one to you, head on into Memorial
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: Day weekend, remembering those who paid the ultimate sacrifice. Looking
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: at todds Enzer across, he's paying the ultimate sacrifice, diving
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: through the books at the City of Cincinnati and coming
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: up with some, you know, painful conclusions. Conclusions everybody means
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: to know. Like, for example's stay with this NGO money,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: the COVID money that flowed into the City of Cincinnati
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: three hundred million dollars. You mentioned sixty the programs were
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: funded with that temporary infusion. So the city or the
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati school Board acknowledged that when they hired new people
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: with COVID money, those people are not are going to
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: lose their situation because they got a budget hole. So
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: they did the right thing. And may it suck to
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: be that person who lost their job, but practically speaking,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: that's the only thing that could happen.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: Now, What is your what do you anticipate with regard
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: to these sixty outside entities who were funded by COVID.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: You said it was going to be a difficult thing
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: for the city, But how difficult is it to say, sorry,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: sucks to be you there. I just did it for him.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: You know you're no, you're not getting more money this
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: year because we don't have it. We're thirty million dollars
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: in the hole.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: Well, the city council has put put themselves in a
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 6: position where they fund so many of these outside groups
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: and that's where they get their their support from. That
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: becomes their base, and so to say no to some
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: of these groups puts a lot of pressure on them
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: and that's why. So what, Well, that's how I feel, Brian.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: But if you're a politician sitting up there, you're gonna
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: want to help your constituents.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Well, walk me through this here. Being a council member,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: isn't it considered a part time job, whether or not
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: they is.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: That is what I can and that's what I've been
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 6: told you.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: It's a salary with since a council person.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 6: I think they get like sixty five sixty five thousand
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: dollars a year.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they need, I mean for that job. They're
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: willing to sacrifice their integrity and put the City of
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati in financial peril, so they continue to fund organizations
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: that we were only bought with a temporary infusion of cash. Well,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: that's what that's the logic that they're walking through on this.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: They think they're doing a good thing, Brian, by spending
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 6: money on all of these all these programs.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: But the problem is, and you mentioned it before, we're
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: going to bring it up again, you suspect that that's
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: exactly what these NGOs are doing. They're politicking, they're campaigning.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: They're increasing the numbers of voters that will continue to
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: keep any given council person in their role or the mayor.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 6: Right, you know, one person's NGO is another person's community
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: community organizer.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: But we and they we you and I they council
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: does not know what happened with the money when it
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: went out the door. I mean, because there's no accountability.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: There's no inspector general looking to see if whatever goals
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: were accomplished actually got accomplished.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: Right. There may be a piece of paper that they
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: that the NGO files at the with the city at
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: the end of the year saying what they did, but
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 6: nobody goes out and audits them.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: That's a wolf guarden the henhouse, and so we're going
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: to give ourselves our own report card.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that that capacity just doesn't exist with the city.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: That there's an internal auditor who does about six audits
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: a year, but that's you know, that's about all they have.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Well, and that audit really consists of only the two
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: and two is four kind of audit. Did they accomplish
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: the goal audit?
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: Right, it's an They classify their audits as internal control audits. So,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: for example, on this police Evidence Room report that they
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: talked about on.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, real, you explained the police evidence report because
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: this is a good illustration.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So the auditor went out and identified the police
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 6: evidence room is a worthy audit target. So they open
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: an audit, but it's an internal audit, so they just
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: go through and say, Okay, your rules say that you
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 6: need to do this, that and the other thing. You're
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 6: not doing this, that and the other thing. And there's
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 6: two issues in particular that the media focused on. One
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 6: was the mislabeling of evidence, and the other was the
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 6: lack of inventory by the Court Property Unit, which I
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  Speaker 6: guess is civilian. I was surprised to hear that that
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: unit is civilian. They handle all the evidence.
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  Speaker 2: Like drugs, well firearms and whatever else did police pick
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: up in the court exactly?
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  Speaker 6: So for example, in that case, they weren't doing a
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: proper inventory, and they weren't doing background checks of the
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: people that work in the court property unit.
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  Speaker 2: So the audit revealed a lack of paperwork. Did they
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: do anything else?
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  Speaker 6: That's right. What they don't do is okay, we have
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: a problem mislabeling evidence. What bad thing happened because of that?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 6: Did any bad thing happen because of that? And the
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: same with the lack of inventory, Did we find what
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 6: problems that created for the CPD? They don't take that
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 6: next audit step, So for me, I would have it,
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  Speaker 6: I would have an internal inspector in the police department
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  Speaker 6: to go through and do these kind of internal control checks,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: and when they identify a bigger issue like mislabeling evidence,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: then the internal auditor should come in and examine that
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: particular issue. But that's not how it works.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, you know sadly yea. Even in just this short
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: three segments that you and I have done so far,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: we haven't even scratched the surface. What's calling onience, Cincinnati. Wow,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: elections do have consequences, folks. You might want to factor
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: in somebody else in the mix next time around. In
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: spite of the fact that your taxpayer dollars my city
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: friends have gone to fund campaigns for the people that
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: are well letting you down. The every Day seventh thirty five,
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  Speaker 2: Right now more with Todd Zenzer after my words for
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  Speaker 2: Fashion Dog Station seven thirty nine. If you have Karciti
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: talk station, Citizen Watchdog, find that podcast where you find
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: your podcast produced by Joe Strecker, who can produce your
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: podcast too, like he does for Todd Zenzer Citizen Watchdog
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: in studio. Before we leave the NG you thing, I
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: got to ask you a question, Todd Zinzer, are there
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of these NGOs getting money for violence programs,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: violence prevention, community outreach regarding violence, gone whatever.
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  Speaker 6: All right, that's that's the new. You gotta put youth violence,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: youth files violence, or something like that in your grant
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 6: request or your application for a grant if you want
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 6: to get it funded.
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  Speaker 2: These all right, Well, let us try to be objective.
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  Speaker 2: There is a violence problem in the city of Cincinnati. Yes,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: we have neighborhoods that are dangerous. I talked to Corey
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Bowman about violence the other day. We have people shot
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: all the time. We know certain areas are worse than others.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: But you know therein lies a challenge. Some communities are
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: plagued with violence, and these programs are supposed to solve
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: that problem. And yet I haven't noticed a statistically statistical improvement.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: I get a sense there hasn't been a statistical improvement
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: that violence is going down in these various neighborhoods. So
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: what have these energies? Going back to the original question,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: And we don't know the answer because you pointed out
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: that nobody follows up and finds out what these NGOs
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: are doing. So if the violence problem has not been solved,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: how long have these NGO has been getting money for
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: violence related programs.
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  Speaker 6: Todd Censer, Well, probably at least the last three years, so,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 6: but violence has been a problem prior to that. Violence
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: was a problem prior and violence has still been a problem.
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  Speaker 2: So apparently throwing money into the world hasn't accomplished anything.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's put an exclamation point on your earlier point.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: Nobody is following up to see if anything's been done.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: But you don't really necessarily need that follow up because
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: violence has not tapered off. These communities have not been
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: made better by the work of whatever NGO is supposed
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: to be doing the work ergo, they're not doing anything
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: that's worthwhile.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that's the question because if the city were to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: if the city were able to say, okay, we gave
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 6: a fifty thousand dollars to this group, this is what
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: they did with that fifty thousand dollars, and this is
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: how we think it promoted anti violence. So if we
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: had something like that, we'd be in a better position
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 6: to know whether we're getting anything from our money.
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  Speaker 2: But they don't do that, they don't not obligated to
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I don't know. I think you're right, they're not obligated,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: but they should be.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: They should be, they should be. It's like the fiduciary obligation.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: These are taxpayer dollars. These are my constituents earnings taken
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: from them. They demand accountability, but they deserve accountability even
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: if They'm not obligated under city statute or law or
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: whatever provision of whatever code. I'm going to do it
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: anyway because I want to know what's happened with this money.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Because you know what, there's eight million hands that are
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: trying to get in the cookie jar, and we got
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: a thirty million dollar hole in our budget. So let's
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: find out if we're getting any ROI on our NGO dollars.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. I just don't think the city council or the
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: city administration have that awareness that people want accountability. I
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 6: don't think they they appreciate that.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: Well, you know why, because no one shows up in
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: votes except apparently the contingent that is being pushed to
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: go and vote by these various non governmental organizations who
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: are apparently just nothing but political activists.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: Well a lot of them are, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: That's a sad state of a How do you continue
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: doing what you're doing when no one ever pays attention,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: answers your questions, You regularly present them in written form.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: You show up at council meetings, you say your statement,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: You bring this to their attention. They surf their cell
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: phones while you're talking.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I recently did get a response to my email
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  Speaker 6: from one member of city.
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  Speaker 2: Council, which email was a subject matter.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 6: It was about the Farmer Music Center and how they're
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 6: obligated to do due diligence. Mister Cramertine emailed me back
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 6: and said.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, but he's demonstrated he's been the most open
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: council person to demonstrate a willingness to at least concede
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: your points.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's communicated with me on a couple of points.
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  Speaker 6: And he's the head of the budget committee, which is
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: the one that I really focus on.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, so you have a watchful eye over the budget
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: that comes out today what he actually did or didn't do.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 6: Yes, we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Let me get you back on the program after you've
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: done that at budget analysis. Let's pivot over to the
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: railroad money. This was gonna that's going to solve all
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: of our problems. Let's sell the railroad bad idea. They
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: didn't listen to us saying it was a bad idea,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: tod So the railroad is sold. Now they got this
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: big pile of money generating interest on the investment. I
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: understand that it's a lot of money, millions of dollars.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: What's happening with it? Is the board involved in the
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: decision making on any of this?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 6: Well the board. The board met this week on Tuesday,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: and I attended the meeting, and I raised three issues
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 6: during my public comment period. First was the railroad board
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: or the trust is growing? I think it's up to
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 6: one point eight almost one point nine billion. It is growing,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 6: of course, but the city is still having problems spending
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: the money in a timely way. But what I complained,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 6: I don't know if I complained, but I pointed out
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 6: to the board that the city is choose a memo
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 6: or a report to the city Council every month on
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 6: the budget, the status of the budget and the status
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 6: of their finances. And it's a fifteen page memo generally,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 6: and it attaches another one hundred pages of financial information,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: and through all of that there's not a single mention
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: of the railway money. There's no reference to the railway
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 6: money in this report, and so I pointed that out
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 6: to the board. It's like, it should not be that way, right,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: And you know, I'm hoping that the board will have
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 6: some influence over the city and how they do that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a revenue source for the City of Cincinnati.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 6: Well that's what I mean. It's in there, right, but
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 6: they don't tell you what numbers are associated with the
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: railway money. It's it's just not in there. And so
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: the thing that the city has been doing in order
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 6: to spend the railway money more timely is that they're
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: they're transferring money that's already been obligated to uh long
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: standing projects, right that they used other capital funds for
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: they're trans They're they're transferring that money elsewhere, and they're
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 6: transferring railway money onto those existing projects to try to
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: start using more of the.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: Money projects that were funded by the capital budget, like
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: the old the old Way, like what you used to
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: do before there was railroad money, right, that project has
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: money allocated from the capital budget to get the project done.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: Fast forward, we sold the railroad. We have a new
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: capital source, so we're now putting railroad money into something
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: that was in a prior budget and already fully funded, right,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: and it's like padding the books some way, isn't it.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: Well, what it does is that it raises questions about
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: are those funds actually being used on eligible projects? They
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: My concern that I reported to there is that when
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 6: you start shifting this money around, you got to make
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 6: sure that that railway money goes to eligible projects.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Existing infrastructure, which one of those projects would have been,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: so that frees up money in the capital budget that
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: was really allocated for the prior infrastructure project, and can
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: free that money up for something that isn't existing infrastructure exactly. Geez,
• 1:35:16
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• 1:35:23
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• 1:35:26
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• 1:35:31
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• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: So anyhow, back to todd sens or citizen watchtok I'm
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: just still reeling from that revelation about shifting money around
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: for previously funded program or previously fronted infrastructure, and then
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: because you know damn well that the problem the City
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: of Cincinnati has is that the railroad money is limited
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: to insisting infrastructure.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: They've been reeling and struggling with that problem for a
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: long time. I guess, how is it moving aside from that? Weird?
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: Probably I won't say the word criminal, but whatever, how
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: is it that they're having trouble spending? Are we not
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: laden with projects? I'd say for roads, for example? How
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: many miles of roads have they ignored and not kept
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: up on, Yeah, for the last thirty years or so.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 6: Well, they had somebody from the city's Department of Public
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 6: Services at the board meeting for the trust and they
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 6: tried to describe the system that they have for getting
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: projects funded. And it's like a five or five stage process,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: and it requires all these projects require the city Council
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 6: to approve them, and that delays things.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: But well, that's kind of an oversight function that I
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: suppose is in place to make sure that nothing shady
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: is going on, right, yes, okay? And in spite of that, the.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 6: Unless my train of thought.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: I bet the.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 6: Process that they used that they use to fund these
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 6: things is convoluted to begin with. And then what was interesting,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 6: at least from my perspective, is that the person briefing
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 6: was from the Department of Public Services. And every department
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 6: has some kind of sensey on track, some kind of
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: railway money projects going on. This person was from the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: Department of Public Services, and he said that we've also
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 6: taken over this responsibility for the Department of Health because
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 6: they don't have enough people to help them spend this money.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: So the Department of Public Services has taken out on
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 6: and that's what goes on throughout the whole city government.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: Do we need an NGO to fund to help them
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: or let them manage the railroad money work?
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 6: Huh? You know, Brian, I don't think that's that far fetched.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: I know, I know that's not an idea they didn't
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: think about already either. Todd, real quick, how about the
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: board going back to your point about the city apparently
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: moving previously funded capital budget projects and then shifting it
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: to a railroad money funded project. Does the board have
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: any say about that? I mean, can they like veto
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: it and say, well, well, WHOA, that is not the
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: intent of this money. It's for future infrastructure projects.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 6: Well, I've been advocating that the board needs to exercise
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 6: some oversight about how the money is spent.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, could they unilaterally take that role or would they
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: need some sort of I.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: Think their fiduciary responsibility includes that. But they don't agree.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: With me, and so first they don't so what the work.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're not really interested in getting into the city's business.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: Like that.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: Because it bring about accountability.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: Well, I don't know, Tod's gonna let.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: You draw your own conclusion. Todd Zinzer, Wow, what an
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: eye opening hour. I appreciate even though I don't live
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: in the city of Cincinnati, whatever goes on the City
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: of Cincinnati impacts the entire tri state region on some level.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: They're thirty million dollars in the hole and we've got
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: major Shenanigans declarations. How I'm gonna boil down this hour
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: Toddsen's or Citizen Watchdog. Follow his podcast find him on
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• 1:39:18
  Speaker 7: I heard radio.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Eight five here fifty five KRCD Talk station. Well, it's
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: always troubling when Joe Strucker has that distressed look on
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: his face when he's expecting to reach one of the
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: guests that had been previously booked for the fifty five
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: cars in the Morning Show. Notably, in this particular case,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: Luke Rosiack from the Daily Wire that looked unsuccessful are Joe,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: I saw the thing light up and then disappear. That
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: means the phone drop. Anyhow, I apologize. I Luke Rosiack
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: from the Daily Wire. He blew the lid off. He's
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: like the Nick Shirley for the state of Ohio as
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: far as medicaid fraud and abuses concern, and so you know,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: I was anxious to have him on because, Wow, we
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: have real problems in this in this state, and we're
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: becoming the Minnesota. I get like a kin to Minnesota.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: So every time we hear about medicaid fraud and abuse,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: in any given reporting across this country, they mentioned Minnesota,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: and now they regularly mentioned the state of Ohio because
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: the Luke's blowing the lid off of this, and the
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: big question is swirling around, how in the hell did
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: this happen. That's one of the main questions I want.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: I asked him, Oh he's Luke, Yes, Oh thank god.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: I was trying to I was hoping you that Joe
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: would get you, my friend. I've been so anxious to
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: talk to you, and I want to start out and
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: thank you on behalf of my fifty five Careseey Morning
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: Show listeners, everybody who pays taxes in the entire country
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: for like Nick Shirley did in Minnesota, blowing the lid
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: off of what was going on with medicaid fraud in
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: the state of Ohio, I guess as a practical matter,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: and we'll talk about some of the details you revealed
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: in your reporting. Go to the or go to Daily
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: Wire and search for Luke rosiack Rosiak if you want
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: to find it and read all about it yourself, and
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: I encourage you to do that. But how is it
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: possible that this was this fraud that was going on,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: rampant fraud that it wasn't caught earlier? Can? I mean,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: is that a question you can even ask Luke?
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 10: I mean, you had fifteen percent of all home healthcare
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 10: spending in Ohio, which is a billion dollars a year
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 10: being spent in forour square miles and that's in the
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 10: Northeast Columbus area where all the smallies are. So I
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 10: don't know how it can be that we think that
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 10: all of them come here and then immediately develop some
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 10: sort of horrifically debilitating and rare disease that necessitates around
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 10: the clock in home care, which is quite a dramatic thing.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: Well, there's one thing with medical care. If you are impoverished,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: Medicaid is supposed to be there to provide you within
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: the basic needs you cannot afford. I get the concept up.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: But how is it that Medicaid has become basically pay
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: for housekeeping services done by family members. This is a
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: practical matter.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah, they keep expanding the limit to increasingly tangential things.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 10: In some states, it now pays for gym memberships. We
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 10: heard in California, even basically exorcisms. They'll pay like a
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 10: tribal elder for Indian people to like beat the drum
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 10: and like pray for you, like crazy stuff that. And
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 10: so really the people that are in charge of these companies, a.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: Lot of them are criminals. You know.
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  Speaker 10: I've done several stories in the Daily Wire talking about
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  Speaker 10: people who one of them is a couple of men
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  Speaker 10: and a wife who own a business on East Dublin
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 10: Granville Road, and the husband has like three fraud convictions,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 10: the wife has three theft convictions. They also have a
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 10: ton of like drug and child abuse convictions and violence
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 10: between them and medicate. Ohio Department of Medicaid allowed them
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 10: to create a home healthcare company that then bills one
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 10: hundred thousand dollars. Best case, these are the people that
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 10: are going into a house with a little old lady
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 10: on supervised. The worst case, they're not actually going there
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 10: and they're just billing the government. And so when you
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 10: saw the fraud crackdown in Minnesota yesterday and a guy
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 10: jumped off the roof and ran away, that that was
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 10: a home healthcare operator. These are the kind of people
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 10: we're paying.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a practical matter. Don't they do background check?
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: I think the answer obviously is no. Apparently, but isn't
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: there a background checked obligation? You would think is a
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: general sense of out a concern for those those poor
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Medicaid recipients who might be disabled and stuck in their
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: home that they're gonna get molested or harmed, or maybe
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: even be victims of criminal activity themselves. No background checks, you.
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  Speaker 5: Certainly would think so.
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  Speaker 10: And I think That's one of the things that's most
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 10: embarrassing to Governor Dwine from my reporting, because he initially said, oh,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 10: we have all these processes in place, there can't be
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 10: anything wrong here, and then I just started rattling off installments.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 10: And my story is part two, part three, part four,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 10: and it's like, okay, well, here's the You know, a
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 10: person who was convicted of stealing from the government by
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 10: doing fake services for old people. He gets a felony charge,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 10: he's owed restitution, and then his wife starts a company
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 10: using the same address doing the same thing, and she
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 10: gets paid six million dollars by the Ohio Department of Medicaid.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 10: And meanwhile, the husband hasn't even paid his restitution because
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 10: he says that he doesn't have any money. But he's
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 10: bought a million dollar house in Lewis Center and his
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 10: wife has gotten cashing six million in checks from the government.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: And then there's another you know.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 10: It's like there, if there is a rule in place
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 10: that they're supposedly background background checking these people, then they're incompetent.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: If there isn't a rule, that's also crazy.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 10: And then the third thing is it's hard to keep
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 10: track of these people. Because they are all foreign, which
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 10: is a weird thing. Why are they all foreign? And
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 10: it does give you advantages to break our laws because
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 10: you or I you could track us pretty easily. We
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 10: have birthdates and distinct names. But how do you look
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 10: at Muhammad Ahmed with a January first birthday, and how
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 10: do you distinguish him from the others with the same name,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 10: the same lack of birthdays. And if they send money abroad,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 10: how do we get it back? If they flee the country,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 10: how do we stop them? And they we found that
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 10: they even if there were a role in place, it's
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 10: easily gamed. And the third example I'll give you is
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 10: a home healthcare company that was in the name of
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 10: the teenage a teenager, and I thought, well, it seems
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 10: unlikely that a teenager is running this business.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: The under the age of eighteen. Let me ask you
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: that because being a lawyer, you know you don't have
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: the legal ability to enter into contract if you're not emancipated.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 10: Right, So three days after this kid turns eighteen, they
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 10: created a.
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  Speaker 5: Home healthcare company. Well, guess to his dad is his
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: dad is good money launderer.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: I don't want to laugh, Luke with you it's like
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: you made this up whole cloth. No, it's this bad,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: and the work that they're doing is essentially unverifiable. As
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: you point out, these are not medical professionals, these are
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: not licensed individuals. These are many times family members doing
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: work in residences, and therefore what they're doing, if they're
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: doing it, is not verifiable. And yet, going back to
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: Governor Wine claiming there's all kinds of protections in place,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: something that Congress apparently anticipated back in oh what twenty sixteen,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: This is the big elephant of the room for me, Luke,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: and it has been ever since I read what you wrote.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: The Twenty first Century Cures Act, passed by Congress twenty sixteen,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: mandated that states require electronic visit verification by January twenty
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: twenty two for these very services, non medical services, cooking
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: and cleaning, these types of entities. These now we find
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: out criminals are billing you and I for the services.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: Where is the EVEV if it's required an Act of Congress, loop,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: how come we weren't doing it here in the state
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: of Ohio, of somewhat, at least as far as I
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: read from your reporting. Shut it off?
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, so they were required two years ago.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 10: They said they only started rolling it out in twenty
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 10: twenty five, years after they were required to, and then
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 10: in twenty twenty four, right before they actually started doing
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 10: what they were supposed to have done, they changed it
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 10: so that the EVV.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: Was totally security theater.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 10: It's the kind of thing that they could tell conservatives,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 10: don't worry, it's this is all monitor because we have
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 10: electronic visit verification.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 5: But then the fraudsters what.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 10: They wouldn't know is this thing is meaningless because they've
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 10: made the GPS optional, and Congress made this tracking. The
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 10: whole point was we can see if you've actually when
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 10: you order a sandwich on door dashed, you can see
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 10: that sandwich traveling on your phone right right, you know
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 10: where it is. And so the idea was, if we've
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 10: got somebody coming paid by the government to visit an
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 10: old lady, we want to see that he went there.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 10: And Congress clearly intended, but Governor DeWine changed the rules
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 10: and actually made it say that the GPS was optional
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 10: because of quote privacy, you could turn it off, and
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 10: half the people turned it off. So I think you
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 10: can infer right there that maybe half of half of
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 10: home healthcare visits or fraudulent.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty safe assumption given the work
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: that you've done, and we're going through countless records to
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: prepare for your reporting on this. You document it a
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: lot of it was fraud. We'll continue, Luke Rosiack pause.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: I want to bring you back and talk a little
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: bit more detail about what you wrote about, and again
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: we'll encourage my listeners dailywire dot com search for Luke
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: Rosiack's name and read about the fraud in the state
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: of Ohio, because we're getting to be right up there
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: with Minnesota War with Luke don't go away.
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  Speaker 1: Fifty five krc Hey Gary Silvanisation.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: Eight seventeen. Here fifty about KRCD talk station by Timas
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: with Luke Rosiack from Daily wire dot Com. Man did
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: all the reporting on medicaid fraud here in the state
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: of Ohio. Now, going back on this, and I'm still
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: puzzling of this electronic verification. Start with just to recap
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: and summarize, you have the twenty sixteen bill from Congress
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: that an obligated electronic verification. You have to know where
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: the person is GPS monitoring, so you know they're at
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: the home they claim they're there to be. It's the
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: one form of verifying that they're just not billing for
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: something that's not done yet. For whatever reason, the State
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: of how decided they weren't going to do it and
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: close it down. I guess Stephanie O'Grady you talked to her.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: A spokesman from the How to Medicaid Department set effect
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: of July first, twenty twenty four. GPS functionality with any
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: EVV application or device may only be activated with the
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: sign consent of the individual receiving services, someone who you
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: point out is actively engaged in the fraud, perhaps valid
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: for only one year. In revocable approach to person receiving
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: care must make an informed decision related to privacy. They're
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: concerned about privacy, Well, if the twenty sixteen bill passed
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: by Congress has an obligation to do this and money
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: from the federal government. Telling you, Luke, something you already
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: know always comes with strings attached. The string attached here
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: is electronic verification is a precondition for payment. Does Governor
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: de Wine or any of his minions even have the
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: authority to ignore federal law? Luke?
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  Speaker 10: You know they when they write these laws, they add
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 10: in all these loopholes for edge cases, and Wine I
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 10: think would argue that the law wasn't written precisely enough.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 10: It had caveats like if you can't do it by
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 10: this date, you will try your best to and it
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 10: said things like you will record the location of the person,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 10: but it technically never said you will use GPS to
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 10: do so, And so they're having this legalistic, pedantic reading
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 10: of the law that's like, oh, well, we still did
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 10: location verification because we had the person write down where
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 10: they were. And it's like, no, that's not verification. I mean,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 10: you made a record of it. But the person can
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 10: just lie, and obviously.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 5: They do lie.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: Well, you point out as another corollary to this, okay,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: the EVV shut off. You point out the patient was
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: supposed to sign their name to show that the and
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: the aid were actually together. Now that's self reporting, and
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: we can all imagine the scenario where because they're engaged
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: in fraud, they don't report accurately. But you point out
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: that obligation was also removed in twenty twenty four, that
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: fabers audit flag that one.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, no more signature, I mean, and they can't really
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 10: explain why they removed these things. And when my stories
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 10: first started coming out, Dwine said, none of it can
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 10: be true because we have all these processes in place.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 10: And then the stories kept coming out and they were
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 10: just completely devastating because it.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: Was so absurd what was going on in Ohio. And
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 5: so he said, well, we're.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 10: Gonna start implementing these things, like wait a minute, the
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 10: things you claimed you already you already were doing and
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 10: also you said and then finally as time went on,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 10: you know, he said, you got most jd Vance started saying,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 10: you know, the Fraud Task Force is get a crack down.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 10: And Dwine was like, We're gonna immediately do GPS and
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 10: do all these things. And it was like, well, you
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 10: just said you couldn't do it because of privacy and
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 10: all these other reasons.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: What happened to that?
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: Indeed, and to the extent you are at a privacy
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: advocate and think, well, the government's got no right, Well,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: then don't take money. It's a precondition. This is the
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: strings attached by the federal government. You want the money, fine,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: then give us the information that you're obligated at providing
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: to get a payment. In the first instance, there's no
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: privacy issue here, Lord Almighty, not at all.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 10: And I think the doctors are at the root of this.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 10: I mean because you hear from people that are like
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 10: normal Ohioans who will go to their congressmen or whatever
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 10: and be like, I had actually a hard time getting
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 10: on this.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: I had to jump through all these red tape. They
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: were very restrictive about who could qualify.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 10: And it's like, yes, because you are a normal rule follower,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 10: You're not part of this Somalian underworld in Columbus that
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 10: has its own doctors, its own middlemen, and they just
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 10: you know, yes, if you go through all this the
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 10: right steps and nobody lies. It's hard to get but
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 10: I think that they have doctors that are willing to
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 10: sign these papers for everyone. And if it is true
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 10: that most of the Somalians and Boutanese in Columbus have
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 10: mental issues or are so infirmed that they can't even walk,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 10: we need to know that because we need to make
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 10: our immigration policy accordingly. Indeed, or if that's not true,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 10: then they're all lying, which is in itself a huge issue.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: Well, and we got a pivotal briefly just to mention
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: the autism centers that exploded I mean they blew up
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: because of course, builking the federal government, they made it
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: easy to open an autism center. Guess what the number
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: of people claiming to be autistic. I mean, it's just
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: like a mushroom cloud. Huh. Do you think there's a connection.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe there isn't a giant problem with growing real, legitimate
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: cases of autism. It's just a bunch of fraudsters out
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: there builking the system and making it look that way. Luke.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, And I testified to the Ohio Legislature's Medicaid committee
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 10: this week, and only a few Democrats bother to show up,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 10: and they kept bringing up this idea that, well, nursing
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 10: homes are very expensive, and so it's cheaper actually to
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 10: send a nurse to people's houses, which is true if
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 10: you're talking about a fixed number of individuals that actually
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 10: qualify for a nursing home. But I kept explaining to them,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 10: this is not what we're talking about here. As soon
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 10: as you made it lucrative to be sick, the number
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 10: of people who claimed to be sick exploded, so where
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 10: it's incomparable to the number of people that wanted to
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 10: actually go to a nursing home, and so you know,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 10: why is it that all fifteen percent of it is
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 10: all in the Boutantes and Smallian neighborhoods. What's wrong with
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 10: these people that they can't walk, They need they all
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 10: need their family to get paid to do cooking and cleaning.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 10: And then you look at the signs and these businesses
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 10: they're even billing for companionship and conversation. They're charging the
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 10: government to hang out with their own family members. And
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 10: then the one of the few Democrats that showed up
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 10: said it was racist that I died that it was
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 10: mostly in Somalian and botanies. And I said, I didn't
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 10: imply that, I stated it. If we don't, if we can't,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 10: the first step in solve a problem is recognizing what
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 10: the problem is. I mean, this would be absurd to
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 10: talk about this as if it's not a Boutanese and Somalia.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 10: And I don't have anything against the back. Of course,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 10: I find Bhutan on a map. I didn't set out
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 10: to pick on the Boutanese. It's just if we're being
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 10: honest here and you do your research, that's what you'll
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 10: find is this is almost entirely a Boutanese and Somalian issue.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: Right, And you're not racist for saying that. You know
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: what you're pointing out that you are going for after
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: fraud stirs that could be the form of any human
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: being alive. And I had this funny in the context
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: of this very discussion, Amy Bach. She's from Minnesota, she's
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: forty five, she is as white as I am, and
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: she was the ringleader of one of the biggest pandemic
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: era fraud schemes in the country. She headed up the
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: Somali immigrant group that was ripping us off. So, white woman,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: this has nothing to do with race, has everything to
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: do with people who are ripping us off, which just
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: happened to come in this instance from a large segment
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: of the Somali community in Columbus. I just the whole
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: idea that this is somehow racist is absolutely preposterous.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and it's so much money that it's shocking that
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 10: the Democrats wouldn't care about it. I mean, Medicaid is
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 10: the biggest line it, I mean Ohio's budget, and it's
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 10: basically doubled in the last couple of years, even though
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 10: enrollment has been flat.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: So what's going on here? It's got to be fraud.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: Got to be Do you feel as though, I mean,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: I know Dewin's come out and said, oh no, we're
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: doing something. We're doing something that's something you should have
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: been done, was in place a while back, Governor to wine,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: but you shut it off anyway, We're doing it now
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: moving forward, audits have been done, people are starting to
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: get prosecuted. Do you feel as though the ship has
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: been righted, Luke or are they just paying lip service
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: to doing something right now?
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 5: They're just paying lip service.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 10: There's a lot of good people in Ohio who want
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 10: to reform this, a lot of legislators, candidates the auditor.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 5: But the issue is the wine is the problem here.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 10: The wine has screwed this thing up massively, and I
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 10: think that the people who are working for the Ohio
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 10: Department of Medicaid can never be trusted to fix this.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 10: Even if the governor changes. Most of these people are
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 10: just career staff that are still going to be there.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 10: These people are insane. They have screwed this up where
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 10: it's so blatant, and they were just giving money to
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 10: fraudsters for so many years that I think at this point,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 10: the idea that we pay people to family members to
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 10: hang out their own families. That program is just gonna
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 10: have to be ended because they are the fraudsters are
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 10: going to find If you fix one loophole, they're going
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 10: to find the next loophole. And we're only talking about
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 10: people on Medicaid here, and we're only talking about people
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 10: who not nurses. They can still have nurses even if
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 10: you're on Medicaid, meaning you don't pay taxes, you can
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 10: still have a nurse come to your house. But I
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 10: don't know that we can continue to pay people's family
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  Speaker 10: members to cook and clean for them because it's inherently
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  Speaker 10: vulnerable to fraud.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and as a concept, I'm rejected just out of hand.
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  Speaker 2: Why should the American taxpayer be saddled with the burden
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  Speaker 2: of providing bedmaking services for literally anyone Anyway, that's my perception.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: Maybe a little harsh for some, but that's me. Pressnetwork
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  Speaker 2: dot Com where you find Jack Windsor and the reporting
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: that he posts and the reporting that he does himself.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show. My
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  Speaker 2: friend Jack Windsor's good to have ya, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: It's always an honor and a pleasure to be here
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  Speaker 1: with you and Joe in the fifty five KR see family,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Always a pleasure. Front page of the High Pressnetwork dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Watch Daily Wire investigative reporter who revealed billions in alleged
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  Speaker 2: Ohio Medicaid fraud reacts to a Hio Press core bias.
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  Speaker 2: I just had Luke on the program. Luke Rosiak, the
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: reporter from Daily Wire who blew the lid off of this.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently he's a man in demand after revealing this to everybody,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: everybody wants to talk to Luke. I was glad to
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  Speaker 2: have him on. I guess let me just ask you.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to cut to the last question I asked him,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: which is motive. We went through the details on this.
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  Speaker 2: The EVV was shut off. Governor DeWine said, no, you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to do electronic verification to approve that there
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  Speaker 2: was a person in your home at the time. They
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: claimed they were providing the bedmaking service or whatever in
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: home care that the medicaid recipient was getting. So there's
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: that big question mark. The law from twenty sixteen that
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  Speaker 2: established this required electronic verification. So if the federal law
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  Speaker 2: says it, why did we shut it down? What was
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  Speaker 2: the motive behind that.
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  Speaker 1: That is a great question. By the way, Luke Rosiac
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  Speaker 1: is a rock star. It was awesome to meet him
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  Speaker 1: and talk with him, and he's doing God's work, So kudos.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the best that I can make of it based
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: on my limited investigation scope. Now I've done a lot,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: going to do more. But here's what the press is
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: not talking about, and maybe we'll talk about that a
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  Speaker 1: little bit too. The press is very when I say
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  Speaker 1: the press, the mainstream press is very comfortable saying, oh, well,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: there's no problem. Oh there's a problem. It's a Republican problem.
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  Speaker 1: And that's about where their curiosity ends. And when they
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: do that, what they're missing is the opportunity to answer
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  Speaker 1: the question you're asking, which is legitimate, because this is
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  Speaker 1: not just an Ohio problem. They're affording in other states
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  Speaker 1: that they're going to have to deal with this, and
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: there are some that are but here's what I've been
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  Speaker 1: able to determine. This is a bureaucracy issue. This is
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  Speaker 1: happening in blue states. This is happening in red states,
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  Speaker 1: and as Luke would say to you, the red states
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: seem more concerned and more ready to solve the issue.
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  Speaker 1: Solve the problem whereas Blue states like California and New
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: York are actually going to deny that there's an issue
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: and then try to tie it up in courts or
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: with legislation. But here's what I think it is. I
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: think you have a mindset that says, well, the more
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  Speaker 1: money we have in the system, the more people were helping, right,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: And if you try to provide any oversight, and if
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: there is a challenge, let's say a whistleblower comes forward,
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, that whistle blower might provide
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: information and it might lead to prosecutions, and that would
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: bring the focus back to the bureaucrats. And so the
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: bureaucrats go, well, we don't want the focus on us.
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  Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, many of them are also
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: public union government union members. So you have the bureaucracy,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: you have the public union, and they all kind of
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: protect themselves, and so I think part of it is
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: they don't want the blowback on themselves. And then let's
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: just not forget the super majority of those folks don't
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  Speaker 1: vote for the Red team.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and of course that's true, as it was contemplating
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  Speaker 2: the Blue states not wanting to do anything to solve
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  Speaker 2: the fraud problem. I can imagine a scenario where they
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: might find that beneficial to them. They're also the ones
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: that will want to allow illegal immigrants to vote in
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  Speaker 2: federal elections. They don't want to do anything with regard
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: to safeguarding the ballot. So the farious elements there. Perhaps
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: why might a red state want to pursue that particular
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: attitude as well? Maybe it's the point you made the
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: bureaucrats are part of the blue team, or maybe there's
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  Speaker 2: something to farious in connection with the man who's running
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: the state of Ohio along those lines.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think Governor Dwine ever met a government
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  Speaker 1: program that he didn't like. There is this era about
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: him that he pretends to be this benevolent grandpa that
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: he's going to fix everything, and therein, I think is
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: the mindset that I'm talking about. His mindset is, look,
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: if we have more money flowing through the system, we're
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: helping more people. Okay, well, there's a really negative long
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: term consequence to people being on the government rolls. That's
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  Speaker 1: one issue. The second issue is if you have a
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  Speaker 1: ton of money flowing through the system, like forty seven
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: billion dollars in Ohio, even ten percent right. And by
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: the way, the Ohio Auditor found a fault rate of
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  Speaker 1: about fifteen point eight percent. But even at ten percent, Brian,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: we're talking about four billion dollars a year. It was
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: And the idea though that the more money is helping
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: more people, I mean, proven to be nonsense based upon
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: the reporting on all this. But if there's no oversight,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: then the people that you think need the money aren't
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: getting it. I mean, you're not doing what you purport
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  Speaker 2: to want to do with this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, I would encourage, and I'm sorry to give
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: a plug for myself here, I would encourage the listeners
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  Speaker 1: to go to the Ohio Press Network dot com. Type
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: in Mike Devilla six billion dollars read that report. Because
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: in the report that I published over a year ago,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: which by the way, no one in the mainstream wanted
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: to do a damn thing about republishing. You can see
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: the reaction and the response from then Director of Ohio
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: Medicaid Maureene Corcoran, who basically looked at Mike Devilla and
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: patted him on the head and.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: Said, oh, look at you. You're so cute.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: You really don't know what you're talking about there's nothing
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: to see here. It was gross, it was egregious, and
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: it actually led to her being resigning, which I think
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: is Diwine nicely saying you can go ahead and step aside,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: or we can fire you. But there is just this
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: mindset that, well, you don't know any better. We know better,
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: and we're just going to push money through the system.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: We're doing the best that we can, so you just
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: have to deal with it. And remember when DeWine was
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: first quizzed about this.
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  Speaker 2: Yea, we what is the cost that's doing nothing to
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: see here? It's only billions of dollars. Jack windsor the
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: Ohio Pressnetwork dot Com, don't go away. We got more
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: to talk about on this subject as well as can
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: you do that a voter ide amendment in the state
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: constitution bill looks at you talk station. It's eight forty
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: to fifty five KRCD talk Station Brian Thomas with Jack
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: windsor the Ohio Pressnetwork dot Com. And I encourage you
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: to bookmark that page too, like I do. Check out
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: what Jack's talking about each and every day, and tune
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: into the morning show every Friday at eight thirty and
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: we'll talk together about that. Jack windsor moving away from
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: whatever Governor Wine was thinking when he got rid of
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: all the safeguards and protected us from fraud, waste and abuse,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: pivoting over to a lot of people ripping us off
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: collectively engaging in fraud, waste and abuse and connection with
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: Medicaid payments and home health services. I mean even a
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: rudimentary protection like giant red flags waving based on Luke
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: Rosi ex. Reporting seven buildings on one road in Columbus,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: hundreds of office suites. The buildings are all owned by
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: one court real estate group called Cordoba. Majority of the
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: tenants bill Medicaid, their home healthcare businesses concentrated in one area,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: and then statistically like a huge percentage of all Medicaid
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: payments made in the connection with home healthcare. We're in
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: Franklin County. This is something that could so simply be
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: addressed by you know, some red flag AI for example,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: alarm bell going off. But you know what, I used
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: to work at anteon Blue Cross and Blue sh Shield
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: a long time ago, and more than twenty years ago,
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: they had a program in place to kind of stop
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: this kind of thing from happening. They would track where
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: providers claimed to be and build. Look the day they
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: were built, at the time that they were built, and
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: found out that a lot of providers were at eight
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: places at one time. I mean, this is old school technology.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: So they ignored giant red flags. Two hundred and eighty
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: eight businesses register with Medicaid and just these Cordoba owned
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: buildings in one road in Columbus.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think something's going on and is in
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: the water in Columbus, Brian because if commensurate with those
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: number of providers are unhealthy people, Columbus, Ohio is the
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: unhealthiest city in the United States. Well, you and I
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: both know that's not the case. And what's going on
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: is alarming. It is almost hand in glove with what
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: we saw in Minnesota. Might be different, industries might be different,
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: but it's the same mo It's it's the same thing
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: that you've seen shell companies. You go into a building,
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: no one's there. By the way, I love what Luke Rosiak,
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: he did get a video of one of the places
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: stopped by the Bureau of Criminal Investigation, had actually sent
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: them a letter November of last year. There it sat
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: for six months. So you're telling me this is a
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: legitimate business, and nobody has come here for six months
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: to collect the mail. But here's the problem. Did you
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: hear his interaction with state representative of Anita Somani, the
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: abortion doctor, the Democrat from Dublin, when he was presenting
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: to the Ohio State House. This was wonderful by the
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: way he handed her butt in real time. But she said,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: I think you're kind of implying that you know, it's
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: the Somali community. And he's like, no, I'm not implying it,
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it. And this is the reality. Though she
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: tried to frame that as racist. Of course isn't racist.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: This is a shell game. It is corruption and it
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: is fraud and somebody has to have the jones to
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: stand up and do what needs to be done. Thankfully,
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: now because of Akramaswami and other people like Mike Davilla
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: Keith Faber have brought sunshine to this, we're gonna get accountability.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: We're going to and we should wait for more heads
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: to roll. I presume, Jack, because you've got to develop
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: the evidence. Now that it's been brought to everybody's attention,
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: thank you very much. They'll gather the evidence. Then some
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: prosecutions will presumably take place. We can only hope there
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: are a lot of them, and maybe, maybe, and I
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: think this is a pipe dream clawback some of the
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: money that we wasted on them.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: I think that you're going to have a Secretary of
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: State who's going to be the next auditor of the
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: State of Ohio talking about Frank LeRose, and that is
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: a fair question to talk to him about, and certainly
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: Robert Sprague if he wants to be the next Secretary
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: of State. But yes, there has to be an AI tool.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: There have to be tools that allow people to go
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: away a minute, look at this certain geography, and we
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: have three thousand businesses that have started in the last
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: six months there we might want to take a look
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: at what's going on. Doesn't mean that you're going to
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: find crime, but it at least tells you where to look.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: It's a huge, huge red flag. We need to at
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: least ask the questions. Questions weren't even being asked. Jack Windsor,
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: let's pause. We'll bring you back and talk about voter
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: ID and the Ohio State Constitution more with Ohio Press Networks.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: Jack Windsor, please don't go away.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC at two million and beyond your talk station.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: Hey, forty sixty five kres to the auction, make that
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: eight forty seven. Brian Thomas with Jack Windsor the Ohio
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: Pressnetwork dot Com is where you find him before you
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: get to the photo ID requirement and we get to
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: reveal the batcrap insanity from the statement from the ACLU
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: on that topic. Real quick. My wife is a healthcare attorney,
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: has been so since I met her in law schoo
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: well after the law school graduation. Anyway, my better half said,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: the Ohio Department of Health is supposed to go to
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: the address and verify that there's an existing nursing home care,
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: same with Medicaid, to verify business to become a Medicaid provider.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: So and she is really really angry based upon my
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: conversation with Luke as well as you, Jack Windsor. So,
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: there's just one more little detail there that the state
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: of Ohio seem to have overlooked.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: Now who used to be director of the Department of Health,
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: oh Amy acting.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: That's right, Amy, lockdown act in. Thanks for that fun fact.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: Bringing that one back up with the top. Jack Okay,
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: Ohio a joint Ohio our House, joint Resolution nine and
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: Senate Joint Resolution ten. Here in Ohio, well, Rick will
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: embed in the the Ohio Constitution the existing important word there,
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: statutory photo ID mandate. We need a photo ID to
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: vote in Ohio. What they're gonna do is to make
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: it it's a law, but they're going to put it
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: part of the constitution, presumably, so no future administration pulls
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: the rug out from under the photo ID requirement.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: Right, Jack, That's absolutely right. You're seeing that now in
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: Virginia where you have Abigail Spanberger, who ran as a moderate,
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: who's now trying to you know, whip votes within the
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: Democrat Party to do things just like that same thing
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: as happening in Hawaii. And by the way, with Ohio
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: being on the verge of a gubernatorial election and Amy
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: Lockdown Act, and who has already partnered with people like
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: Mark Ellias in Washington, d C. And the radical left,
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: we probably need to make sure that these voter protection
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: laws are in the constitution, not just the Ohio Revice.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: Code, but but says the ACLU strongly opposing the resolution.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: Quote here's your quote from the a CEO. The Hull
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: Constitution exists to protect people's liberties, and freedoms not to
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: enable political gamesmanship. We the people should be able to
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: exercise our sacred right to vote free from aggressive government
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: overreach and roadblocks. State Joint Resolution ten and companion House
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: Resolution we're introduced to sway electoral outcomes by preventing people
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: from voting. Huh, It's already a law in the state
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: of Ohio. Where's the acl you coming from? Jack?
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: First of all, one of our sacred rights is the
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: right to a free and fair election and a right
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: to select the people that go and make laws for us.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: But here's where that just falls under the crush of reality.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: Are you ready for some numbers? Seventy one percent of
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: Democrats approve of voter ID, ninety five percent of Republicans,
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: X percent of Black voters, eighty two percent of Latino voters,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: and eighty five percent of white voters. This, Brian is
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: an eighty percent issue. The ACLU is as tone deaf
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: as they come.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: Well, and you know, their arguments not going to go anywhere,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: most notably because at least we're solid red in the
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: state of Ohio. But the fact that is already a
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: law in the book, how could putting it into the Constitution,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: which would literally change nothing. How does that prevent people
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: from voting? In what way, shape or form? Is this
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: one of those arguments that black people aren't capable of
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: getting a photo ID requirement? Jack, Because that's all I'm
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: reading in that statement.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: Well, if you read the acl US quote and you
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: take it seriously, what you're left wondering is are black
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: people not driving because you need to have a license
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: and you need to have it with you when you drive.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: So is the ACLU saying that blacks should not be
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: on the roadways they can't drive lawfully in Ohio? I mean,
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: what an asinine comment from the ACLU.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: Oh truly? And then again we go back to the
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: broader point one that I've been making literally for years.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: Apparently everybody else has got jumped on the bandwagon. It
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: is damned insulting. If I was a person of color
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: in some idiot, in any elected office or high lofty
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: position made the argument that I can't vote, or I
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: can't make the decision to get a photo ID, or
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: that I'm too dumb to get a photo ID. That
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: is the most insulting thing that you can make. It's
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: a broad broshed characterization of an entire race of people
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: as being I would argue ignorant at least it sounds
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: like that, Jack.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's hold the mirror up and let them see
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  Speaker 1: what they say all the time. It's actually racist. It's
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  Speaker 1: deeply racist, and it's very ungodly, and it's extremely insulting
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  Speaker 1: if somebody were to say, I mean this, By the way,
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  Speaker 1: we heard the same thing with women, right. This is
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  Speaker 1: where my wife lost her cool because when this was
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  Speaker 1: being discussed earlier in the year, one of the objections is, well,
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  Speaker 1: what about women? What about women who've gotten married and
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  Speaker 1: they have to And my wife's like, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: are they saying that I don't have the ability to
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  Speaker 1: get my ducks in a row and make sure that
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  Speaker 1: I have the proper things turned in so that I
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  Speaker 1: can go vote. How insulting. I think people who can
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: step back from politics and separate from the divisive nature
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  Speaker 1: of well, if you do this, then you're a bad person.
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  Speaker 1: If you do this, you're a good person, and they
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  Speaker 1: can just be real human beings to go. That's a
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  Speaker 1: little insulting. I think I can handle getting my ducks
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  Speaker 1: in a row.
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  Speaker 2: No question about it. And plus the ultimate point is
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  Speaker 2: it protects the integrity of the election. It is illegal
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  Speaker 2: to vote in the election if you're not a US citizen.
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  Speaker 2: Federal elections, it's for voting. It is part of the law.
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  Speaker 2: It is a fabric of our country. Who wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: interested in protecting the integrity of the election. You're violating
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  Speaker 2: the law if you go and vote, you're not eligible
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  Speaker 2: to vote. What's wrong with that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, facts often will destroy the narrative of the left,
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  Speaker 1: so we've got to be careful. But all joking aside.
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  Speaker 1: House Joint Resolution nine is the House version. Senate Joint
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  Speaker 1: Resolution ten is the Senate version. It needs three fifths
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  Speaker 1: support in both chambers. That would mean it would require
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  Speaker 1: sixty representatives. In the state House there are sixty five Republicans.
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  Speaker 1: That should be easy there. It would require twenty senators,
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  Speaker 1: so the upper chamber has twenty four Republicans. So this
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  Speaker 1: should pass. This should be on the ballot in November.
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  Speaker 1: Now where some conservatives, Brian, you might be getting this
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  Speaker 1: pushback already are going to wait a minute. They're saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this would require photo ID for in person voting, but
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  Speaker 1: what about mail in voting. I had a conversation with
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  Speaker 1: State Representative Ron Ferguson yesterday and he's crafted House Bill
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  Speaker 1: five seventy seven, and in his words, it makes it
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  Speaker 1: fair if you have photo ID for in person voting,
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  Speaker 1: you should have photo ID for mail in voting. And
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  Speaker 1: so he is pushing legislation that at least would get
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  Speaker 1: on the law books the photo ID requirement for mail
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  Speaker 1: in balloting as well. But some people are pushing on
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  Speaker 1: the legislature and saying, well, wait a minute before you
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  Speaker 1: put this forward. You probably need to put the photo
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  Speaker 1: ID requirement for mail in balloting in that joint resolution
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  Speaker 1: as well. But I'm not sure if that's going to
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  Speaker 1: happen or if it's a deal breaker for some lawmakers.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I always vote in person, so this issue never
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  Speaker 2: really crossed my brain. What is the current state of
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  Speaker 2: the law relative to mail in ballot and photo ID?
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  Speaker 2: I guess you don't need one.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so technically, I think when you do some of
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  Speaker 1: the registration process, you're supposed to. But the way that
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  Speaker 1: it is now, you do not need a valid credentialed
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  Speaker 1: ID to accompany the mail in ballot, which to me
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  Speaker 1: is a significant issue.
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  Speaker 2: That is a very significant issue. And back we do
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  Speaker 2: a segment here on the fifty five kcon Money Showjack
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  Speaker 2: Wins before we part company called tech Friday. It's every
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  Speaker 2: Friday at six thirty. Dave Hatter is brilliant. He's a
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  Speaker 2: computer programmer and his business, you know, involves involves helping
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  Speaker 2: businesses deal with computer related issues. He was listening to
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  Speaker 2: our conversation about, you know, the why didn't the Secretary
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  Speaker 2: of State's office or why weren't they looking for fraud
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  Speaker 2: wasting views. His quote was, it would be trivial to
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  Speaker 2: write a program to look for the fraud that you're describing,
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  Speaker 2: even before AI. So this was an easy solution and
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  Speaker 2: an easy fix. The state of how it just simply
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to go after it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so it's one one of those things that
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  Speaker 1: I think, frankly, we're going to go back to mindset
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  Speaker 1: and then I'll shut up here. Can you imagine a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of bureaucrats sitting around the table, Oh, well that
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  Speaker 1: we don't really need that because waste, fraud and abuse
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't happen that much.
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  Speaker 2: It's just the.
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  Speaker 1: Cost of doing business. It's an outlier. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: how the conversation goes, right, Well, we don't need that widget.
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  Speaker 1: It'll save us a few bocks and then then we
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: can get more money into the system. This is the
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff that needs to change.
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  Speaker 2: It does, and thanks to the reporting by Luke Rosiak,
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  Speaker 2: the concert reporting for you at the Ohio Press Network,
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  Speaker 2: Jack Windsor and hopefully to some degree me here on
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: the fifty five KRC Morning Show trying to share this
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  Speaker 2: information to the world, maybe something will get done and
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  Speaker 2: maybe this idea of getting rid of fraud, wasted abuse,
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  Speaker 2: and government programs generally speaking, will take root and it'll
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  Speaker 2: become a pivotal campaign issue.
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  Speaker 5: Jack.
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  Speaker 1: I think it is a massive campaign issue, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it's what it's going to get the vak Ramaswami
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  Speaker 1: over the finish line. Frankly, I think and if I
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  Speaker 1: if I'm telling you the truth, I think that's part
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  Speaker 1: of the motivation behind this. I think some law all
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  Speaker 1: makers recognize this might get some Republicans out to vote,
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  Speaker 1: and if Republicans get out to vote, then then they win.
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  Speaker 1: If they don't, they lose.
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  Speaker 2: You have every incentive in the world to get out
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  Speaker 2: and vote. Find them online the Ohiopressnetwork dot com. Tune
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  Speaker 2: in next Friday for another edition