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Furness Show 10-29: Stewart Mandel and Mike Holmgren · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Now from the Star Rentals Sports to us Jordan ninety
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  Speaker 2: That's ten games into the season. They go in ten
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  Speaker 2: Uh. Cal Rawley named the MLBPA Players Choice Word Player
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  Speaker 2: players look on that though, which is pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: Those are the ones that count.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. World Series, by the way, it's still going on.
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  Speaker 2: he was tired. Vladimir Guerrero. By the way, franchise record
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  Speaker 2: four year contract one hundred and eighty million dollars or
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and forty one million in guarantees. He was
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  Speaker 2: a number two overall pick in the twenty twenty two draft,
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  Speaker 2: and I got some Seahawk notes for it, but you
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  Speaker 2: don't what I'm to do wait for the start of
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  Speaker 2: the show to give those to you. Right now, it's
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  Speaker 2: good to be back here at the Virginia Mason Athletics
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  Speaker 2: Center SEA i K headquarters. Today. We're gonna talk to
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  Speaker 2: Jaron Reid a little bit later. We'll have that interview
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  Speaker 2: for you either tomorrow or Friday. By the way, I
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  Speaker 2: try to get out and catch up with Jay Reid
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  Speaker 2: on once a year.
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  Speaker 4: You're not gonna miss You're not gonna want to miss
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  Speaker 4: this because it is. It's also like a mature Jaron
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  Speaker 4: Read just.
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  Speaker 2: A different guy from when I first talked when he
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  Speaker 2: came here as a rookie man. He's he's a different dude.
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  Speaker 2: He's the alpha dog in that in that defensive room,
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  Speaker 2: especially with the d line, and that's with some guys
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  Speaker 2: like Chenna, DeMarcus, Lawrence Big Cat and all those dudes.
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  Speaker 2: But there's no doubt who the who the alpha dog is.
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  Speaker 2: It's him and he learned from the best when they
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  Speaker 2: were towards the end of their careers, guys like Mike
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  Speaker 2: and Cliff and all those dudes. So he's taken over
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  Speaker 2: that defense is number one against the run in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: And so we're gonna talk to him coming up today
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  Speaker 2: and have that for it you again either tomorrow or
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  Speaker 2: Friday on the show. But it's always fun to go
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  Speaker 2: one on one, and I just like to do the
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  Speaker 2: interviews in person the phone interviews. It's not a fan
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  Speaker 2: if I'm gonna take it behind the curtain for a second,
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  Speaker 2: not a fan, and I like to see these guys, and.
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  Speaker 3: That is what makes you a pro ian.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 5: We know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to the Seahawks news of the day.
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  Speaker 2: I was in for the Mike McDonald news conference, a
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  Speaker 2: weekly news conference a minute ago. There's a lot to
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  Speaker 2: get to. Plus a cool story regarding your friend just
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  Speaker 2: DQ dan Quinn, the coach of the Commanders, see on
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  Speaker 2: Sunday Night football this week.
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  Speaker 4: They go a lot of national games, a lot of
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  Speaker 4: prime times.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll talk. I'll Askaron Jared about that. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if that's still a big deal for players
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  Speaker 2: or not. I don't know. I don't know how they
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  Speaker 2: look at that. We'll talk to him about that. We'll
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  Speaker 2: talk to Mike, Mike Omberan at two o'clock by the way,
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  Speaker 2: coming up later, so we'll check in with him. I
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  Speaker 2: was just going through something before I get to the
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  Speaker 2: news of the day. I just because MJ asked me about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, running back the band and how and he's
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  Speaker 2: right in this. John Schneider knows when to cut bait,
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  Speaker 2: and John Schneider knows when it's time to move on
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  Speaker 2: from from different guys. I'm not ready to say moving
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  Speaker 2: on from DK was the best decision yet. I know
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  Speaker 2: the money involved and all that. I get that, and
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  Speaker 2: so I guess because of the salary cap and the money,
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  Speaker 2: sure you move on. But the year Jackson Smith and
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  Speaker 2: Jig but jumps off the page at people. He wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be having the statistical year he's having. But I still
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  Speaker 2: think that having a DK Metcalf. And I'll ask you
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  Speaker 2: about this on Monday and Hardcore Football, if having a
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  Speaker 2: DK Metcalf on your roster would still make you a
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  Speaker 2: better football team. I kind of think it will, to
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  Speaker 2: be honest with you, But that aside, do you know
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  Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and Jig was on pace to set the
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  Speaker 2: record for receiving yards in a single season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty rad.
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  Speaker 2: He's on nineteen a pace of nineteen eighty nine. Now
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  Speaker 2: that's a seventeen game schedule. Calvin Johnson did it with
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  Speaker 2: the Lions. It was a sixteen game schedule in twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 2: So it's I don't know if we want to look
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  Speaker 2: at it that differently in that regard. Here's the thing
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  Speaker 2: I just kind of looked back at Seahawks stuff. Historically,
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks have had thirty one thousand yard receiving seasons
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  Speaker 2: in their career in the history of the franchise in
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  Speaker 2: fifty years. It's the fifteenth year of the franchise, So
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  Speaker 2: in forty nine previous years, they've had thirty one thousand
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  Speaker 2: yard seasons. Just to put into perspective the year that
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  Speaker 2: is taking place right now with JSN. Out of those thirty,
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  Speaker 2: eight of those came from a guy by the name
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  Speaker 2: of Largent. Might have heard of him, Steve's first name.
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  Speaker 3: He's so nice too.
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer Gold Jacket guy. Eight of the thirty
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  Speaker 2: came from him. Four came from Brian Blades relatively the
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  Speaker 2: same era. They kind of they played together for a
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  Speaker 2: while book ended there. So twelve of the thirty, almost
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  Speaker 2: half of them came early in the franchise years, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the eighty you know, seventies, eighties ish time of
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  Speaker 2: time frame. Four came from Tyler Lockett during his tenure
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  Speaker 2: in Seattle. Joey Galloway had three. D jack Daryl Jackson
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  Speaker 2: had three. It's a very short list. DK had two,
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  Speaker 2: and then he had also had a nine hundred dard
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  Speaker 2: season two. DK set the record for receiving yards in
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  Speaker 2: a single season by the Seahawks. Any guess, just rough
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  Speaker 2: guess what it would be.
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  Speaker 3: I don't three, no, and honestly say fourteen.
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  Speaker 2: You're close. It's thirteen. It's thirteen oh three. And I
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  Speaker 2: bring that up for this reason. Jays ends at eight
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  Speaker 2: to nineteen. Right, he is gonna blow pass a single
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  Speaker 2: season receiving mark for this team in a single and
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna blow past this thing, blow past it. And
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  Speaker 2: that's amazing. Like, it's just an amazing year he having
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  Speaker 2: right now. I just think it's cool because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the focuses on the defense, and I get it,
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  Speaker 2: and it should be on the defense. And like I said,
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  Speaker 2: that's what we're gonna talk to Jarrean Reid. Speaking of
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  Speaker 2: the defense, Julian Love suffered a set back in practice.
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  Speaker 2: He is a candidate to go on the injured reserve
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  Speaker 2: list now for the Seahawks. That's not a good thing.
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  Speaker 3: No, we're not like we and we love love.
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  Speaker 2: We love love Love is it now? Witherspoon on track
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  Speaker 2: to play Derek Hall, which is an under the radar,
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  Speaker 2: underrated miss guy they've had missing the last few weeks,
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  Speaker 2: is also on track to play We'll Get the injury
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  Speaker 2: report later, but they didn't walk through earlier. But Mike
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  Speaker 2: McDonald saying those two guys are on track. Witherspoon and
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  Speaker 2: d Hall are both on track to play. But the
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  Speaker 2: Julian Love injury is a bummer because they need him
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  Speaker 2: and they'll need him down the stretch. If he's got
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  Speaker 2: to go on the injury reserve and miss a few games,
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  Speaker 2: a few more games, so be it, I guess. I
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  Speaker 2: mean they can make do tyle cottas played better. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant's trying to hold the four down. They need
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  Speaker 2: Julian Love, make no mistake about that. Even Warri's presence
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  Speaker 2: in the lineup's been great. It'd just be nice to
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  Speaker 2: have a healthy secondary, which they haven't had all year.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's five snaps before Emon Worri got hurt
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  Speaker 2: and then when he by the time he came back,
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  Speaker 2: other guys have been hurt with Theirspoon, et cetera, and Love,
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  Speaker 2: so they're a little bit banged up there. That's the
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  Speaker 2: news of the day out here. It was a cool story.
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  Speaker 2: I mean this obviously they're playing the Commanders on Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: and so a lot of the talk out here, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of questions and I'll ask I'll ask Jared Reid
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  Speaker 2: about the same thing. Is about Bobby Wagner and Dan Quinn.
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  Speaker 2: Now Jared didn't play for DQ, but Bobby Wagner first
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  Speaker 2: and foremost. I mean Mike McDonald. Actually they had him
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  Speaker 2: in when he was a decordinator at Baltimore. They had
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  Speaker 2: him in, Bobby Wagner in for a visit. He ended
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  Speaker 2: up signed with the Rams that one year, if you remember,
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to go back east. Now he's back with
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  Speaker 2: d Q in Washington, first ballot Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just Frankie Louver too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with Frankie Loubu. But b Wagner is just
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  Speaker 2: he's the gold standard. He'll have a gold jacket the
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  Speaker 2: first go around. If he doesn't, it's a crime because
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  Speaker 2: he should be unanimous, like just go in there.
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  Speaker 3: There's no way he does it.
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  Speaker 2: No, And I think I I say, I trust the
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  Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame more except for the little
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  Speaker 2: thing called Mike Homran right now. Yeah, but we'll see
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  Speaker 2: the uh. But the story he told McDonald told well,
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  Speaker 2: I mean he talked about having Bobby and for visit Baltimore.
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  Speaker 2: But he told a great story about d Q and
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  Speaker 2: it kind of and I'll ask Mike about this later
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  Speaker 2: because I think it's just it's I think this is
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  Speaker 2: how McDonald kind of handles himself in the building. Mike
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  Speaker 2: McDonald was a grad assistant. God where was he grad
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  Speaker 2: assistant Michigan at the time. Georgia might have been Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was a Georgia at the time. He's
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  Speaker 2: a grad assistant in college and so just young coach.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, anybody that knows, if you know football
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  Speaker 2: at all, college football grad assistants, no matter what level,
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  Speaker 2: it's a It is not a glorious job. It is
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  Speaker 2: a grunt job. Like you you are grinding over like
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  Speaker 2: tape just to prep another guy to actually look at
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  Speaker 2: the tape. You're fetching coffee. I mean, you're doing you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're doing the worst of the worst jobs, and you're
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  Speaker 2: not getting paid for it. You're getting school or secondary
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  Speaker 2: education paid for what have you. You gotta love the game,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna love really have a desire to be a
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  Speaker 2: coach at some point, to be a GA And that's
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  Speaker 2: what McDonald was doing. He came out here and he
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  Speaker 2: met through Todd Graham was the defensive coordinator at the
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  Speaker 2: time that he was working for, and Todd knew dan
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  Speaker 2: Quinn and Mike's got a relative, remember this from his
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  Speaker 2: opening press conference. His cousin or nephew or somebody's They
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  Speaker 2: got some sort of relative that lives in Kirkland. So
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  Speaker 2: he was out here visiting and they set up a
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  Speaker 2: meeting where he'd come meet DQ and he said, he
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  Speaker 2: walked into the building here at the Virginia Mason Athletic
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  Speaker 2: Center and he was just an awe like walked in
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  Speaker 2: and like I mean and if.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a magnificent.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty Yeah. Every time I come out here and
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  Speaker 2: do a show or cover the team, I kind of
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  Speaker 2: there's a pinch myself thaying like, hey man, this is
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  Speaker 2: this is pretty cool. It's the NFL, it's my hometown team,
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  Speaker 2: and this facility is really cool and most people would
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  Speaker 2: die to be out here. I understand, it's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's pretty awesome. And he walked in to have
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  Speaker 2: this quick little meeting with just a kind of a
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  Speaker 2: meet green, just a networking thing. There wasn't a job opening.
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  Speaker 2: He just wanted to meet Dan Quinn, who was thought
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  Speaker 2: to be you know, kind of the pinnacle the business
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  Speaker 2: at the time as a DC out here he walked in.
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  Speaker 2: He said, what struck him about dan Quinn was the
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  Speaker 2: relationship he had with players and the deep relationship and
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  Speaker 2: the respect that the players had for him. And there's
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  Speaker 2: a fine line. I'm gonna ask Mike about this later
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  Speaker 2: because I know Mike as is with his guys, like
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  Speaker 2: you have to have a tight knit, really close relationship
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  Speaker 2: with your players, and you still have to be the coach.
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  Speaker 2: Now as a coordinator, it's a little different than the
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  Speaker 2: head coach, but I think we still see that with
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  Speaker 2: DEQ in Washington and McDonald.
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  Speaker 3: Why Bobby's there, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's why, one hundred percent, why Bobby's there. The you know,
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  Speaker 2: watching you know how Mike McDonald is with these guys
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  Speaker 2: and talking to players like Jared Reed and others that
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  Speaker 2: we've talked about. There's such this great respect for Mike
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  Speaker 2: McDonald and what he is, and part of that comes from,
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  Speaker 2: you know, as he mentioned today and talked to the
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  Speaker 2: story about his meeting with dan Quinn and meeting Dan
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  Speaker 2: out here and speaking with DQ and seeing d Q
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  Speaker 2: walk walked around the facility with him. He said he
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  Speaker 2: knew everybody by name, doesn't matter if it was the
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  Speaker 2: guy that was cleaning the windows or vacuuming the meeting
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  Speaker 2: rooms or serving the food in the cafeteria, my guy.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it might be my guy Jeff out in the
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  Speaker 2: parking lot, whoever it might be. He knew everybody, knew
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  Speaker 2: everybody by name. And then the player relationship that dan
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  Speaker 2: Quinn had with everybody he said just really really struck
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  Speaker 2: him and it stayed with him. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: an important thing. We'll talk to Mike about that a
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  Speaker 2: little bit later on how important that is. And I
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  Speaker 2: think it exists now. Listen, Pete had that too. Pete
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  Speaker 2: had that to Yes, Yeah, Pete, would you know publicly
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  Speaker 2: never throw a guy under the bus. Was remarkable as.
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  Speaker 3: He does protection one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's I think that that is
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  Speaker 2: there's something about that and coaching, and I don't think
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  Speaker 2: everybody has that, to be honest with you, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think everybody has that type of relation. You know, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't always work out. James Franklin had that type
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  Speaker 2: of relationship at Penn State didn't work out. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: by all accounts, players love him there, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: always work out. I don't think Brian Kelly had that
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  Speaker 2: at LSU, you know, and so and I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you this just you know this. Yep, Jake, Jake Dicker
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  Speaker 2: did not have that at WAZU. It was it was
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  Speaker 2: the other way around. The guys were looking at him
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  Speaker 2: as a fraud.
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking more like the antithesis of Jim Mora
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  Speaker 4: was Pte Carroll.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good way to look at it, too. So
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk to We'll talk to Mike about that coming
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  Speaker 2: up a two o'clock. All right, speaking in college football,
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  Speaker 2: that's a cool story, like he just his respect. He
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  Speaker 2: has a report for Dan Quinn and how he kind
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  Speaker 2: of conducted himself and how it stuck with him today.
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  Speaker 2: Was kind of cool to hear him tell that story. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we'll take a break. We're out the Virginia mased Athletic Center.
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  Speaker 2: We'll come back. We'll check in with Stuart Mandel. College
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  Speaker 2: football is a mess right now, to say the least,
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  Speaker 2: but you know what, it's an entertaining mess and I
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  Speaker 2: love it. We'll talk to Stewart coming up next.
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  Speaker 2: All right, here we go Stuart Mandel weekly visits and man,
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  Speaker 2: oh man, is there stuff to talking about again? It
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  Speaker 2: feels like more and more every week. Stewart. We're talking
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  Speaker 2: about stuff off the field, in terms of coaching, moves
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  Speaker 2: on all that stuff and on the field. But first
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  Speaker 2: of all, how are you, my friend?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm good. I was at a bowling alley with
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  Speaker 6: my daughter Sunday when the news came down that Brian
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  Speaker 6: Kelly got fired.
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  Speaker 7: So it never.
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  Speaker 2: Ends, I laughed, because you guys do. We've talked about
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  Speaker 2: the Audible, the great podcast you guys do, and the
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  Speaker 2: fun thing about that is you know what you tap
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  Speaker 2: it on Sunday mornings and a way you go and
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  Speaker 2: I think one of you guys mentioned maybe it's time
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  Speaker 2: not to do it Sundays, because I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: many straight Sundays you've had news break. Later on that
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  Speaker 2: particular day, the Brian Kelly stuff with LSU, you saw
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  Speaker 2: that coming. I think everyone kind of saw that coming,
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  Speaker 2: So maybe when you were the bowling alley you weren't
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  Speaker 2: totally surprised. I want to before I get to him
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  Speaker 2: and everything else. Bigger picture is this, is this a
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  Speaker 2: trend of today's college football with a Power four structures
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  Speaker 2: opposed to Power five and il money less patients from boosters.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it just feels like this year is nuts
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  Speaker 2: in terms of the coaches and high profile programs getting
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  Speaker 2: let go.
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  Speaker 6: You know what I tell people is the expectations have
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  Speaker 6: always been not Coaches have always been fired, you know,
• 14:58
  Speaker 6: sometimes guys that you know you thought had no business
• 15:01
  Speaker 6: getting fired. What's changed is the money, obviously, And it
• 15:06
  Speaker 6: used to be that firing your coach in the middle
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: of the season was rare, And then I would say
• 15:11
  Speaker 6: about four years ago. I remember when Clay Halton got
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: fired two games into the season and Scott Frost got
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: fired like three or four games in the season. That
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: was really the first time I remembered that happening, and now.
• 15:24
  Speaker 7: It's just an expectation.
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: It went quickly from rarity to you know what, why
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: haven't you fired your coach yet?
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: Right? And so.
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: In a previous era, you know, even if people thought
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: Brian Kelly's probably done, you just let it, let it
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: play off the season. Now it's you know, how fast
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: can we how fast can we get his keys back?
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: After the way that Texas A and M game went?
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Well, let's let's look at his specific situation for a second.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: They bring him in from Notre Dame. Does l s
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: U it's already to me, my perception of l s
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: U is it's a program with a lot, a lot
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: of patience. I mean, Ed o'geron won a championship and
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: they got rid of him. What two years later they
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: bring Kelly in, who hadn't won a championship. Is this
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: at all in LSU problem or is it just they
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: haven't found the right coach problem?
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, everybody brings up obviously the last three
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: coaches won a national title, and they won it by
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: their fourth year, And so I think the problem here
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: wasn't just that he hadn't won one.
• 16:23
  Speaker 7: It's that they were going in the wrong direction.
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: Really, the best team he had was his first one
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: that won ten games and beat Alabama.
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: And went to the SEC championship game.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: And then each year after that it wasn't like they
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: fell apart, but they seemed to be further from that
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: being a contender now going into this season, Brian Kelly
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: himself was not shy about saying, hey, we tripled the payroll.
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: We're all in.
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: You know, we're ending for the national championship. So to
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: get to this point in the season and they're already
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: out of playoff contention and their offense is terrible. I
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: think at that point everybody realized this just isn't going
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: to happen.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Stue Madel join us from the Athletic Audible podcast as well.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Can you refresh all of our memories out here? Because
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: and mostly because you know, he took a shot at
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: my school, so I'm a huge fan of Scott Woodward.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: What is Scott How is Scott Woodward? What's what's the
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: bank roll right now that he's had to pay or
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: you know he's been involved with with former coaches between
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: and M and lsu.
• 17:21
  Speaker 7: Okay, shoot.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: I don't have the exact figure in front of me,
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: but the key to note that he gave out the
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: two he made the two hires of the two coaches.
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: Who ended up having the biggest.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: Buyouts ever paid, jimbo Fisher and now Brian Kelly. And
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: so a lot of people have said, how does he
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: still have a job And the answer is they don't
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: have a president right now.
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: L s U is in between presidents. They're supposed to hire.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: One soon, and I just I don't know how you
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: hold onto a guy who now people that are in
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: his corner will point out he hired Kim Mulki. He
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: hired the baseball coach who's won two World Series already, right,
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: so credit for that. But when you hear about, especially
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: from Bruce, about what was going on Sunday, where the
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: AD is trying to dictate to the coach which who
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: he has to fire, and the coach is coming back
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: and saying, okay, well, if you're going to make me
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: fire the OC, then I'm going to fire the offensive
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: line coach.
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: Well no, no, no, no, no, that's my buddy. You can't
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: fire him. It's just not a healthy dynamic.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: That's weird. The guy that made the infamous phrase, Jess,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: remember that one haves and have nots. And I guess
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: if you're a have, you can just keep writing big
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: checks and tell until the what is it? The dean
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: of agriculture school is no longer the president of the
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: infim president than that new guy might come in and say, hey,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: wait a second, what's going on here? All right, Stuart?
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: All these you wrote about it. I think it's a
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: fascinating topic because you know, I was talking to our
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Midday guy, MJ in the mid Day, who's a big
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: college fan in Miami guy too about this the other day.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: How many other jobs are going to open up in
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: college football in power for conferences and how many should
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: open up? Because you wrote about it, the pool of
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: what you would can considered to be high profile or
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: big time qualified coaches or the guys that are ready
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to make that next move may not be that deep.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: It's already at nine Power four schools. I wouldn't be
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: surprised to get the fifteen between some that I think
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: are pretty certain like Wisconsin, Michigan State, like I think
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: you can pretty much count those already, and then you've
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: got some that are on the Fence, Kentucky, Auburn, maybe Baylor,
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: some of those will open up, and then of course
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: there'll be a domino effect.
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: You know, if somebody really does hire Lane Kiff and
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: then all miss comes open, maybe fifteen is undershooting it,
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: to be honest, because you just you can't predict.
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: All the ripple effects.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: And no, there are not enough good coaches to go
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: around for those jobs.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: They're just unless you start going down the road of coordinators, right.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think it is you that
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: talked about it on the audible, which I think is
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: an interesting thing. In today's world. You want to hire
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the name, right like Link Kiff, and everyone you know
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: LSU or Florida might want to hire Lane Kiffin. If
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: if Jed Fish ends up finishing strong at Washington this year,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: his name will be will be thrown out there as
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: a guy rebuilt Arizona came in. I mean, he didn't
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: have to rebuild Washington by any stretch of the imagination,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: but he had success and you know, and maybe didn't
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: equal what Kaln did, but he would have success at Washington.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: He'd be a name guy. But as you pointed out,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys out there in the top
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: ten right now have programs in the top ten that
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: were not named guys that got hired and have had
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: great success. I mean, it's got to be a balancing
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: act right now for these colleges because you're paying big
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: money and your boosters want instant results, and they probably
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: want to have a guy they can hang their hat
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: on name wise, but maybe it's better to go down
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the road of a lesser name that's had success as
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: a coordinator. It's part of a tree, what have you.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's you know, these ads love to flex, they
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: love to go a show off, like look, I got
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: Brian Kelly to come, I got Lintern Riley to come.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: And then you look at the top ten. Number one,
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: o'h have state. Ryan Day was a coordinator.
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: Kurt Signette, nobody knew who that was.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: Mike Elko had only been a head coach for two years.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: You know, Dan Lanning was a coordinator, and right on
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: down the list Vanderbilt Clark.
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: Lee was a coordinator. The problem is it's really hard
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: to project those. You know, there's a.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: Million offensive and defensive coordinators and running backs coaches, and
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: how do you know if they're ready to be a
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: head coach or not. You know, I give Rob Mullins
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: at Oregon a lot of a lot of credit because
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: Dan Lanning was the DC of a national championship team,
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: but nobody knew much about.
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: Him the young guy.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: I don't know if it was that he ated.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: The interview or the you know, the you call, the
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: references and whatnot. So the smartest thing that these ads
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: can do is not get caught up and who the
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: name is and who's the best drive for the job.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: And I think Kurt Signetti has woken a lot of
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: people up to the fact that there's something to be
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: said for a guy who might not be a big
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: name but has won everywhere they've been, you know, from
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: from STS or Division two. I think he actually started
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: in all the way up the end of work.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: At that profile.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: So the only the only way this works this coming
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: cycle is if some people are willing to take a
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: chance on some of those names.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I wonder. I wonder, if you're a coach and you're
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: in a decent situation, if you're better off staying there.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: And I know money comes into play, Although you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I did like Lane Kiffin's I never made a decision
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: based on money. Really, well, you're the only person in
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: America that hasn't fella. But that's fine. I mean, of course,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: no one's made it. Come on, if that was the case,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: you'd be coaching D three right now. You wouldn't care
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: about money, right, You'd just be going out and for
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the love of the game. But the I wonder if
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: guys like Lane Kiffin where they're the expectations that Ole
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: miss are not high. I mean, like, if you get
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: if you're a top ten program, if you're contending in
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the SEC, you can probably you know, be there for
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: a long time. Jed might fit in that same category
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: at Washington. I know that Husky fans don't want to
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: hear that, but it's listen, LSU and Florida have different expectations, right,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's safe to say they have different expectations
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: where they're program is and they want, as you said,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: within years three or four national championship. What if these
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: coaches are better off just staying where they are. They
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: probably are all going to milk more money out of
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: their schools in the end, right with contract extensions and
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: what have you. I just wonder if you're better off staying.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: If you have a good situation, if you've built a program,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I'm just stay there.
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: Diarny of Langkiff, I'm saying he hasn't done anything for money.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: Is that if you've noticed, he hasn't shot down anything.
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: About these coaching rumors right.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: He's he's making sure to keep his options open because
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: you're right, like, if he gets Florida and LSU coming
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: after him, he can get he can.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: Leverage that into a nice, big race. I think he
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: is going.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: To be kind of a test case if you will
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: intwer this new landscape, because I think in his case
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: there is something to be said for what if Florida
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: and el if you have that, we don't right now
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: like we can we can. They're in top ten in
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: the country right now. They have been for several years
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: in a row. They have great NIL support, and they're
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: not you know, ole Miss fans are not at a
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: place yet to be like, well like what Brian Kelly
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: did at LSU that got him fired would be.
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: Fine it all miss.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: So now, these coaches, though, do strive to reach the
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: top of their profession. And I'm sure for somebody like
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: Line Kiffin who got fired at USC once upon the time.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: The idea of going to one of those blue bloods
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: is probably pretty appealing. He turned out Auburn a few
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: years ago. I don't consider Auburn and blue blood certainly
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: pored an LSU R. So it's easy for us on
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: the outside to say, oh, you got a pretty good
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: situation there, stay there. But you know, that'd be like
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: if somebody had told me, you know, if I was
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: very happy writing for a newspaper somewhere and they said,
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: I don't know, you can make a lot more money
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: if you go to the Sports Illustrated or the Athletic
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: and I don't do it for money. I'm fine here, right,
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: that's the that's their profession, like they're they're striving to
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: get to the top of their profession, as we all are.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Stuart Mandel joining us all right on the field. By
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: the time we talk next week, we'll have our first
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: college football playoff rankings out right now in the top
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: AP top twenty five. And I know they don't necessarily
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: reflect what's gonna happen on Tuesday, but there's five SEC teams,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: there's three Big ten teams among the top twelve. If
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: we look through there, then you've got Notre Dame obviously independent,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Miami is in there, which is as we all know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: and Georgia Tech two ACC teams BYU I believe right
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: is the only Big twelve team. So we start looking
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: through this. What are they looking at this year? Is
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: their strength to schedule and how does that work? Because
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I'm still mystified by the fact that Washington's not ranked
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: in the top twenty five. They looked awful against Michigan.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: For sure, they got their doors blown off by Ohio State,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: especially in the second half of Ohio State kind of
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: put the gas pedal down. But they had a nice
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: one over Illinois along the way. But so what are
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: these You know, if you're a Big twelve team, you're
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech, you're seven to one, you're kind of the
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: outside looking in at thirteen again in the A people,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: what are these guys going to be looking at on Tuesday?
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: Well, we're gonna find out if the committee truly starts
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: with a blank canvas, because what I see a lot
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: of right now on the eight people is that even
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: though we're into week ten, preseason rankings are still baked
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: into them.
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: That's the only reason Tennessee is.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: Number fourteen in the country having beaten nobody of substance,
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: and then you mentioned Washington. I mean, I think part
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: of the problem for Washington is they played two really
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: high profile games and lost them by.
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: You know, only score seven points. But they also weren't.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: In the preseason rankings if if I'm correct, So that's
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: why you know, for instance, they're not in it. But
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: Texas is right, so does the committee start with a
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: points play? If they do, I think you could see
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: a little more love for the Big twelve because the
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: UYU and Texas Tech are both the computers are very
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: high on both of them, actually.
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: Pretty high on Utah as well. Not that they're going
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: to be up in the top ten.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: But the computers love those SEC teams, they sure do.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: And you know, I think what you're looking at right now,
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: if you had to project it forward, I think the
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: Big Task probably only a three bid league this year,
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: and I think the SEC is at least four. And
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: so then the question is does the SEC gets a
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: five or can the Big twelve or ACC get a
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: second team in I think the first committee rankings won't
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: necessarily give us.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: That much clarity on it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: But yeah, again, interested to see I'm always interested in
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: the first one to see who is higher or lower
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: than in the a people.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So so go back some Big ten. You think three
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: teams total is what you're thinking?
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, and you can and you can name them.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Right now, there is an interesting swing game, I would
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: say in the Big Ten. Next week Oregon is going
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: to Iowa.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: Iowa has been quietly a lot better this year. They
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: do have the two very close bosses.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: And Oregon, you know, they're very good. But now that
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: win at Penn State isn't quite as dramatic as you
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: thought it would be. Obviously, Indiana handled them in Eugene,
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: and then I'm watching a little bit that game the
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: other day.
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: What is going on?
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: How come Oregon can't can't score against Wisconsin? I realized
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: it was a weird weather game, and.
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: Then Donte More got knocked out.
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: So I still think we're going to make the playoff,
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: but they're not quite as like we can the Ohio
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: State and Indiana can go ahead and book their reservations
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: right now.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yah, Oregon is interesting to me because like at Iowa
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: and then the Minnesota should be an easy win on
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I think that's a Friday if I'm not mistaken. And
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: then you've got USC at home and then at Washington,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Like if they lose, I mean, first off, Washington beats
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: him and Washington runs the table. Does that not put
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Washington in the mix?
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: I think it certainly would. I don't have I think
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: Washington can get to nine three. I don't have that
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: much confidence they can run the table, just because of
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: what we've seen in the US State machine games, even
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: when they went to Maryland and had to make a
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: big comeback there. They're a good team. I just I
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: don't know that they're a playoff caliber team. But the
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: scenario where Oregon falls out of it, you're right, would
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: you lose at Iowa and then you lose to walk
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: ten at the end, which could happen. But that's again
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: why I say the big ten. I don't see them
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: getting more than three teams in which and then that Yeah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: No Nebraska six and two? Like what about Nebraska? Are
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: they do they have an outside chance? Nebraska? They're the
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: same record Nebraska.
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: Got killed by Minnesota.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: What the game before this one? Like they'll they'll end
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: up going four. You know, Michigan though, is sitting there
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: at six and two? That was that was a good
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: win over Washington, and then obviously that'll come down to
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: them and I'll come down to the OOT game once again.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Almost sounds like as opposed to Washington getting in. If
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: or if they beat Oregon at the end, and maybe
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Oregon stumbles along the way, that may pave the way
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: for what couple ACC teams. I mean, Georgia textiting there.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Obviously Miami feels like they're going to get in. I
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: would think maybe that paves away for an extra Big
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: twelve team.
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  Speaker 6: The the ACC with those two teams in particular, have
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  Speaker 6: going for them. Miami has a great non conference when
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  Speaker 6: Nerdame and another pretty good one over USF. That helps
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  Speaker 6: their cause. Georgia Tech plays Georgia at the end of
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  Speaker 6: the year, right, so even if they stumble in the ACC,
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: that they beat Georgia, I think they get an at
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  Speaker 6: large bid.
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  Speaker 7: The problem for the Big twelve.
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  Speaker 6: Teams is they don't They didn't beat anybody in the
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  Speaker 6: non conference and in fact have some pretty like it's
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  Speaker 6: not good for the Big Twelve. The Arizona State, one
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  Speaker 6: of their better teams, lost to one of the worst
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  Speaker 6: teams in the SEC. You know, Cincinnati is I think
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  Speaker 6: their third highest ranked team. They lost in Nebraska, so
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  Speaker 6: that's going to hurt them in terms of trying to
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  Speaker 6: get two teams.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I love the theater, to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 2: I mean I think I think Pittsburgh's an interesting case
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: study as well, right as is Louisville. Those two teams
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: are both interesting down the stretch and what they could do.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh's got to won against Notre Dame, right they got
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: they got a game against Notre Dame. That would be
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: huge if they were to beat Notre Dame. I like
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: it estrama. I love people complaining about the polls and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. You know what we do. We're complaining.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: We're also docking. We're discussing, and it makes the games
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: on the weekends even more fun. Or tell everyone about
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: what's going on with the audible and you guys had
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I think, if I'm not mistaken an emergency session the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: other day, right after the Brian Kelly.
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: Firing, we did not have an emergency session.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: We're basically knowing what was probably coming, just treated it
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: as inevitable. In the Sunday morning show, so we have
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: a Sunday morning show. We joke about maybe we should
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: push it back at Sunday night, but you know people
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: want to hear about the games the day before, so
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: the audible is live on Sunday mornings on YouTube at
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: Audible Show. All the episodes are on YouTube, but also
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: obviously wherever we get podcasts Sunday Tuesday Thursday.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: You guys do a great job with it. Also you
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: can read Stuart's wrap up of the games on Saturday
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: in The Athletic and then also the mail bag comes
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: out middle of the week, which is fantastic as well.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Do you guys do a great job you Ralph and
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: everyone Bruce at the Athletic. It's the best college football
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: coverage out there and I love just immersing myself in it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I appreciate your time this week. We will talk next
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: week and we'll have a college football playoff pool to
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: discuss my friend.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you, looking forward to it. Thank you.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: There you go, Stuart Mandel joining us here. We'll do
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  Speaker 2: by a Squahana Caboda Kracket. Last night, losing in overtime
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  Speaker 2: but getting to overtime was a feat in itself. Trailing
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  Speaker 2: three nothing with eleven minutes and three seconds left, Brenda
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: mon Tour basically took the game over. He had two goals,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: including the first and the third game time goal inside
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: of two minutes left to go, about one thirty left
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  Speaker 2: to go in the game to force the overtime. Kracking
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: badly outplayed in the first period, got a little better
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: in the second period, and then sounds like there was
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a little bit of some paint being peeled off the walls,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: maybe by Lane Lambert in the between the second and
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: third periods, and they came out with a little more uh,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: a little more little more spice, a little more jam
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: as they say, and cranked it up. And then they
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: got they got going and ended up getting that a
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: four to three loser point as they call it, but
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: they got the point. And I tell you right now,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: if you would have told me after forty minutes last
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: night that they were going to get one point out
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: of that game, I would have said, we'll take it
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: right now and walk away. And they did just that,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: cracking now five two and three on the season, thirteen
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: points two behind Vegas in the Pacific Division, and it's
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: massively early, ten games in. But here's why those points
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: in those even even the shootout loss or an overtime
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: loss like last night, are important. The way the West
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: is stacking up right now, you just cannot afford to
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: fall too far behind. I'm looking at you, Calgary with
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: your two eight and one record. San Jose, nobody expected
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: you to be good. You're awful. Saint Louis three six
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: and one, Minnesota three five and three. And while those
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: teams are all within shouting distance point wise, this this
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: entire Western Conference, top to bottom, is separated by if
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: you go the top team in the West, which right
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: now now is Utah, sick of them already. If you
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: go to Utah and you drop down to the fifth
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: place team out of the number five team out of
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the wildcard, that's only a five point six point difference
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: three games. It's just a lot of I don't want
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: to call it parody, but it's very balanced in the West.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: West is good, very competitive. Every point matters in a way.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: You go cracking through ten games, sitting there with the
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: best start in franchise history, and make no mistake, they're
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: a better team. Next up they take on the Rangers,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: the Blue Shirts of New York. Will Morgan returns coming
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: up on Saturday. That, by the way, at Climate Plagerina
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  Speaker 2: will be the first time the Kraken where their new
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  Speaker 2: third alternate jerseys.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Ooh, are they better than the Seahawks?
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: What were the Seahawks?
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Oh no, remember we had a field day with that
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: because it looked too much like Oregon.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Oh god, when are they wearing those.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Seahawks third jersey?
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah jersey?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: When are they wearing those? Yeah?
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: And then definitely better again the Steelers.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: That's right, it's the Rams game that's what it is.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: It is the crack in jerseys. By the way, I've
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: got to say this on TV, so I gotta practice
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  Speaker 2: it right now.
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  Speaker 4: Oh okay, three two one bile luminescence.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Oh biolelce. I actually do like that or whatever the style. Yeah,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: tune in for pure comedy watching and do that on on.
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  Speaker 4: That Noescence is a very cool thing that we rarely
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  Speaker 4: get to witness in our region, but it is very cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's what is it? Do you know what it is? Oh?
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a It's a luminant algae. Then, so movement
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  Speaker 4: actually makes them illuminate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a nerd dude.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Well listen, you didn't have to tell me that. I
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: knew that. I love you for being our herd. But
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: that's okay. So bioluminescence. I'll be reading that on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: So if you want to be.
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  Speaker 3: Hard to say I I think you'll nail it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see between Russian and Slovakian and check names
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  Speaker 2: and bioluminescence. This is a hard gig. I gotta, I gotta.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how you go. I think I just
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  Speaker 2: need to go back to football, a much easier all right,
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  Speaker 2: yea speaking, which will Jaron read Cooper Cup much easier?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: We'll we'll check it Wolf Gray for a jersey color? Right,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it Wolf Gray? We can do that. It is
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  Speaker 2: cracking loss to Montreal and overtime last night four to
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  Speaker 2: three Brenda mon Tour two goals and assists, three points,
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  Speaker 2: all in the third period, cracking trail three to nothing
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  Speaker 2: with eleven minutes to go. So they earn a point somehow,
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  Speaker 2: Last night, Blue Jays a four run seventh inning to
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  Speaker 2: eighty million dollars. One hundred and forty one is guaranteed.
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  Speaker 2: Seahawk News today, we had seen an injury port YEP.
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  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald did tell us a while ago that there
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: is a possibility that Love could Julian Love could go
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: on the injured reserve list. That would not be good.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: But Witherspoon expected back and Derek Hall expected back. This
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  Speaker 2: week they play Sunday Night Football against the Commanders in
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  Speaker 1: As part of our NonStop coverage of the NFL. Your
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  Speaker 2: Mike Olgrin joins us as weekly visit. I'm sitting here
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: at the Virginia Mason Athletic Center today, house that Mike
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: holm Grin built literally with his bare hands. I know,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I know, with some heavy lifting. I mean, we saw
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: you out here on the shores of Lake Washington picking
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: up those two boys two by fours, houlowing around here.
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  Speaker 5: You go, oh, yeah, he did a hell of a job.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Mike did a hell of a job.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: I think, yeah, yeah, it did.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: It turned out nice. This place is great. Mike McDonald
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: was telling a story earlier about he met Dan Quinn
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: years ago when Dan was coaching out here and he
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: was a d C and he was Mike McDonald was
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: a grad assistant. I think it was a Georgia and
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: mutual friend introduced him and you know, DQ said, come
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: on out. I'll I'll walk you around and we'll talk
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: for a little bit. And he said he walked into
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: the building for the first time and was just in awe.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald said that walked in and I mentioned this
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to our listeners. I mean, we're lucky we had to
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: come out here. This is work for us coming in here.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: But the building is spectacular. I mean, you guy, I
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: don't know what went into the design. I know you
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: and Tyler Wicky and Paul Allen, everybody kind of had
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: your saying it. But the design of the building, walking
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: into the lobby and everything, it's Mike, it's spectacular. It
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: really is.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: No, it's it's a great it's a great building. The
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: The only thing I would have done differently is that
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: I would have had the office that Ruskal took down
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: at the end. Yeah, I had a good office, but
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: I would have had that one because then when I left,
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Pete switched that around with John Schneider and now John
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Schneider Pete so longer there. He moved into that office.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: So but I'm not I'm not complaining. I've forgotten about it.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Well, like a lot of things during that last couple
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: of years with with the unnamed GM and the team. Yeah,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I noticed you forgot about all of that.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: I forgot. Yeah, it just sticks with you a little,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: that's all.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Well, that's just a little bit. Hey, I want to
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: ask you something though, that was interesting. We've talked about before,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: you know, building a culture in for a for a
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: football team. And when McDonald was telling the story today
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: about Dan Quinn and I don't know if you ever
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: had much interaction with Dan at all over the years,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: but you know, everyone seems to have great respect for him.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: And one of the things he said that stuck out
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: to him was that when he came here and he's
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: meeting with Dan and he's just kind of and he
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: was just networking. There was no job available or anything
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: like that. He was a young, you know, grat assistant
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: at the time. So gosh, gosh, what have that had been.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: That's like eighteen years ago, seventeen years whenever it would
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: have been. Yeah, and he's walking around but he said
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: The thing that stuck with him is that Dan he
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: knew everybody in the building by name, uh and no
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: matter what level of employment they had or what their
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: title was, he knew everybody by name. And then on
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: top of that that the players had this great reverence
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: for him, or like a relationship that seemed to be
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: really deep. I think we still see that. How how
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: important is if you're building a culture as a head
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: coach or even just as any coach. How important is
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: it to Mike? And I'm gonna start, I'm gonna get
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: to the players in a second. Let me separate this,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Let me separate players and staff. How important is it
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: and how important was it to you to walk in
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: and know who you know the receptionist is, or who
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the person is it's helping park cars or things like that,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: or was that important at all?
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: No? I think I think hit the nail on the head.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: I think that's hugely important for the whole building. In fact,
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: one of my former workers, Mark Schieffel binding Green Bay,
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: who then was with me in Seattle and also in Cleveland,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: we just had lunch today and we were telling stories
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: and going into Cleveland, where I was the president as
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: an example, you know, I wasn't able to stay long
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: enough to get the football right, but in my brief
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: time there, we did change the culture. You know, people
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: were smiling, they were they had a little jump in
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: their step when they came to work, and I think
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: that's really important. I think it's really important. And then
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: carrying over to the football players, you know, they just
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: have to know, they have to have that same feeling
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: and open themselves up not only to their teammates but
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: people in the building. And it helps, it really helps.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: And so I think that's an important part of any
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: organization's success.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I think. I mean people asked me before, you know,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: why why the cracking have made a couple of coaching changes,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: not the last one, but the previous one was because
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: that didn't exist, I know with with hack and I
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: know for Liwikie it was important to have that. I
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: think it is important. I think it's you know, I
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: think to know, you know who else is in the building.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, if you're selling tickets or you're
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: you know, selling the luxury suite or whatever, if you
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: feel some sort of connection to the team, it's probably
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: more personal for you, right' it's you were the president
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: of the team, So you had to oversee all that
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: stuff when you were in Cleveland.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: Right, Well, that's right, and you encourage people, you know.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: I remember the people that cooked the meals there had
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: been working for the Browns, as an example, for maybe
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: fifteen years, and they worked hard and they cooked the
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: meals for everybody. They'd never seen a game, and so
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: I invited them all and they sat in my box
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: one Sunday and they ever after that, they couldn't thank
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: me enough. They was smiling on their is the little
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: things like that that make a big difference in people's lives.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: And you say, well, you gotta yeah, but you got
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: a football team to coach, You got to you got
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: this to do that. You're thinking about salary cap, yes
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: you are, but you also if you're the leader or
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: you're trying to create something that works, you got to
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: do those little things as well and think about it.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: How does it work, Mike, I mean with let's go
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: to the player side for a second. How does it work?
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: What's the balance? And how do you find the balance?
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: And maybe you didn't find it right away, maybe it
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: took a couple of years. Maybe it's it's just an
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: ongoing project. But how do you find the balance? And again,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: this is what you know when McDonald's talking about Dan
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: quinn in the relationship he had with with his players
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: and how it just jumped out at him. Uh, and
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I think you had that. And I don't think I
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: know you had that because you know, I know, you
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: know your relationship with guys like Reggie White, the late
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Reggie White or uh, you know ct bratt On, you
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: know the guys in Green Bay, And I know what it's.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: I know the relationship you have, the reverence that guys
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: here had for you, whether it be Robbie or Matt.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: They joke about it all the time and busting your
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: chops and back and forth. But they can't do that
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: without great respect and a great reverence for you, as
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: you know, coach Holmgren. But how do you find the
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: balance between having that relationship and also being the coach
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: and having to be at times the hammer? Like how
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: hard is that balancing actor? Where do you find it?
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: Well that that's the challenge, that's the challenge that every
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: coach in the National Football League or college has to
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: find out and balance and figure it out, because it's
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: not easy. You know, you have to be firm, you
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: have to set rules. Sometimes you have to get mad,
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: but they have to leave the field knowing that the
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: bottom line is you care about them, You care about
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: their families. And how you get to do that while
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: still maintaining a certain toughness in a certain way you
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: want things to operate. That's that's that's what has to happen,
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: and that's why you see, uh, you know teams that
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: just never quite get over the hump and they have
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: to make it. They well, we'll make a coaching change.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: But it's not just the coach, it's the entire building,
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: it's the I always said in Green Bay as an example,
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: Ron Wolf and I you know, he was my boss,
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: but he allowed me. I was involved in every decision
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: and we didn't argue about things. We didn't argue about things.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: We saw the same vision. And you look around the
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: league in out you see teams that are struggling. I
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: don't think it's there that's missing and the players. Doesn't
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: take long for the players they to figure that out.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: So and then the last thing I'd say is you
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: always operate. And I pull this to the players. Many
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: times you operate from a position a mutual respect players
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: to coaches. Coaches to coaches, coaches the players, you just
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: you might not agree with them, but you respect their
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: position what they're trying to do. And I think if
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: you believe that and can make them believe it, then
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: you got something going.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Did you ever have a point where it was like
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: a kind of a wake up caller, like, oh, I
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: got to change my ways, or maybe you were watching
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: someone else was that you worked for, that was a
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: head coach and said, well, that's that's not the way
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it differently. I
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: mean what because I mean I think you've talked about it.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: You've you evolved as a coach from when you first
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: got to Green Bay. Heck with the media guys, You
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: and the media guys had to evolve along the way
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: right to where you had that mutual respect and understanding.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I know when I first got here No. Six,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I was I I've told you this story. I was flabbergast.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I said, that's Mike Holngren. He said, legend, this big,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: huge man. That's that's just an imposing, you know figure
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: that is one of the best in the business. You know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: et cetera. And he treats everybody with such great respect,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: like you knew you had to know every I don't
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: know if people know this. You wanted to know everybody's
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: name in the press conferences like you wanted to know
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: everybody's name. And I just I always I found that
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: amazing because I cover been in the business for a
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: long time, and you know, I, did you ever have
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: a moment where you had to kind of check yourself?
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: I kind of remember what the name was, Yeah, no,
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: it's it's uh. I learned that from Bill Watsh too.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you as you as you move,
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: as you move.
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: Up the.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: Road, you know there are things that you say. I
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: kept lists. That was a pretty good student. I said,
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: if I ever become a head coach, I'm not going
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: to do that. That that that I don't like that.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: I can't tell him that now, but I'm not going
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: to do that. And then so I had these lists
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: of things I would do, things that wouldn't do. Then
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: you become you get the job, and then you realize
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: that why he did some of those things, why he
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: acted that way, and and and you say, okay, now
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: I understand, and I refer look at I refer to
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: the quarterbacks, both Matt and Steve Young and and and
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: uh Brett Farv and those guys. They all of them
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: came up to my seat in the plane one after
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: some games and say, Mike, I finally get it. I
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: get it. I go good. Now we can now we
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: can move forward. You know. So sometimes it takes a
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: little time, but you have to be consistent and you
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: have to operate from mutual respect.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I got tell I gotta tell a story. I've told this.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: It's been a while since I told the story in there,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: but I gotta tell the story because I don't know.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: You probably don't remember this, but I got to Kjar
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and six, and in it's probably mid September.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I got here and I'm coming back to my hometown.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I've been working in Portland for the previous a few years,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake before that. But I got back and I'm
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: doing the night show with the least Woodward and my
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: family hadn't moved up here yet, and I just said,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I got immerse myself back in Seattle sports and try to,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: you know, do the job the way it should be done,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: like get out, and I'd come to your practices at
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: least twice a week, your Wednesday news conference, Thursday practice.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I'd get sound for the show, talk to you know,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff and just kind of grinding is
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: a I don't do that anymore, by the way, Mike,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: that's I'm here today.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: But you know it's kind of but no, but now
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: you're famous.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: No, we go that far, but I try to do.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to do the job. And I
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: remember going the press conference, and that's when I first
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: noticed like you knew everybody's name. And I remember sitting
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: there a week or two before I asked a question,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: and but I'd ask a couple of questions here there
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: because I wanted stuff for the show. Like I said,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I need to sound by talking about this because Alisa
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: and are going to talk about that that night. Get
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Mike to do that. And you answered a question once.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't catch it. Apparently you called me by the
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: wrong name, and and I think Dave Pearson or somebody
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: said to you, No, his name's Ian. He's a new
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: guy at kJ R. The next day at practice, Mike, again,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I don't expect you to remember this, but the next
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: day at practice, you guys are in the bubble out
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: at Northwest College and we're out there and the practice
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: is over, and the players would leave and the coaches
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: would leave, and then the media would leave because there
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: was like this one for people to know the bubble.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: It was like pressurized, right, like you had to go
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: through like this little thing. It took forever, right. So
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: we're standing there and I'm kind of at the back
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: of the media line, the new guy, and all of
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: a sudden, Dave Pearson and You start walking up to me,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: and I'm looking around, going what are they looking for?
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, what did I do? Like did I
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: do something? And I'm I'm petrified. New guy in town
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: just started night show at KJR. What's going on? And
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: they walk up and Dave says Ian Fornass and go
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: yeah and he said, he says, and you say to me,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: He goes, I need to apologize to you. You said
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: that to me. And I'm just like stumbling on myself,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: like what what? And he goes, I called you by
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: the wrong name yesterday. It's Ian, And I apologize for that.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: It'll never happen again. And you shook my hand and
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: you turned and walked away, and I stood there for
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: probably a good two minutes, going what just happened? Man,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: what just happened? That's Mike Holdrid And I'm coming from
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: working in Salt Lake where Jerry Sloan would just regularly
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: yell at me just for fun, like just yell at me.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: And you did that, and I thought, this is amazing,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Like this guy, but I thought I had just such
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: great respect because you you took the time because you
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: thought you called me by the wrong name. I didn't
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: even notice it, Mike, and I just thought that was
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: That's why I ask you about culture, because I think
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: the respect you have to have for everybody around you
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: is really important.
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: I think it's usually important, and I I'm glad you
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: brought that up, and I do remember that, and I
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: I tried to do that and be honest with the
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: press and to answer questions and not blow up and
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: uh listen. I will also give a lot of credit
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: to Gary Wright, one of our you and me, our
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: favorite guys in the world, who he taught me a
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: lot of things that you know, every coach that becomes
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: the head coach thinks. I think for a while, I
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: think they got all the answers. They figured this thing
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: out and you don't. You're learning every single day.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: It's a good way to go through life, I think too, honestly.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Just it's respect the people around you that work with you,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: and you know, I think I've always felt that out
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: here at this place. There's no doubt about that. All right,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: get some football stuff real quick we go. They are, hey,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: how tough is it to manage the injured list? And
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: I'll ask you for this reason. So Julian love Is
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: has been out for a few weeks. He suffered what
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: they called a little bit of a setback. You never
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: know if it's a setback or it just you know,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: maybe he just hasn't progressed, right, Like, he just hasn't progressed,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: And they're like, well, now maybe they'll have to put
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: him on the injured list for it's a four week
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: thing where they can bring him back. You guys, you
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: had to do that for all those years, and it
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: was different back then, right because you guys, I think
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: if you put a guy in the i R, they
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: were done for the year. They changed that rule eventually.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: How how challenging is that because you're just waiting, right,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: And that's that seems to me to be. One of
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: the hardest things to do is in the NFL, is
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: like do I put the guy on the list or not?
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: What do I do?
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: You're waiting and waiting and waiting.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: Well, you have to you have to believe in your
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: medical staff first of all, and we had a great
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: one and h but still it's it's it's difficult because
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: you know, you you I would talk to them on
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: a daily basis and shoot straight with me, don't sugarcoat anything.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: I got to know about this player, and then it's
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: up to you to evaluate, along with your position coaches
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: and the coaching staff. You know, is it worth it?
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: Can we can we use him? Or is he going
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: to get hurt and we lose them for the season.
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: I think in this case, you know, he's such an
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: important player for them that it sounds to me, and
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I haven't talked to Mike about this,
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: it sounds to me like you know that they wanted
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: him to play. He wanted to play, but the doctor said, okay,
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: he could probably play a little bit, but this could happen.
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: As soon as you get that this could happen stuff,
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: then you have to kind of back off and make
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: good decisions. I think Mike's hope is that you know,
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: there is playing defense now, and they played it without
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: him a couple of games and played very well. The
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: young guys have stepped up that let's keep doing that
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: and make sure he gets healthy before he comes back.
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: But that's that's something that you're juggling all season long,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: and sometimes it's there are tough decisions. I fired all
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: the doctors. I didn't get to because I was mad.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: Uh they told me, hassle back couldn't play. You told
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: me he couldn't play. I said, he just practiced today.
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: Now it's back. He's going to go out. He can't play.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: You guys are fired, get out of here and out
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: of my office. And they were all really good friends
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: of mine, good doctors. Yeah, but that's how immature I was.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you brought it back thereright, you brought it back
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: like an hour later.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah. I walked out on the hallway said I stopped,
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: you know, come on back in here, get in here.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Hey, I got to ask you a favor. I gotta
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: ask you one favorite for Yeah, so Halloween Friday, yes,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: all right, your favorite holiday? I know, especially when the
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: famous video of those guys and for you ale to
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: know a couple of packers. I think it was was
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: far Of. But who was it who showed up at
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: your house?
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: Well, don Debe, Frank Winners, Mark Shimura and far for
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: those four.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: So they showed up at your house at trick or
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: treat you answered the door, yeah, and you didn't recognize
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: them initially.
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: Was Kathy in on that, No she wasn't.
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: No, she had. I got home after practice, I was tired,
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: and then she had done it all day and in
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: Green Bay, all the ways of every kid in the
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: in the city, I think, came to our house. And
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: so then I said, I'll take the rest of it.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: You guys done enough. I'll take the last fifteen minutes
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: because they say it only runs from this to this
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: then you stop six to eight or some Yeah, it's
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: very organized, okay, So I said I take the last one.
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: I went over passed out and little kids. And then
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: these four guys show up and they're big. I can't
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: they got masks on and stuff.
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: And one guy goes, I want, I want, we want candy,
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: and I said, she's I'm sorry. You know, I just
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: gave the last out to the last little guys. You know,
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: we'll try it again next year. And he goes and
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: have to be Dombib goes, no, we want candy now,
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: and I said, no, you got to go. And he
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: starts stepping into the house and I grabbed him by
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: the shirt and I'm ready to I don't know what
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: it was going to do, but I pushed him back.
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: He stumbles a little bit and all of a sudden,
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: the light's go on in the front of the house.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: Everyone's laughing. They're filming it for television.
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: They take the.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: Masks off and they're they're, oh, yeah, I got gee.
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: You know, but I was.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: I thought Kathy might have been in on that. That's
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: the only thing I would have thought that she would
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: have been.
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, no this. They had to
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: keep that quiet. They had to keep that very quiet.
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: But you know, I I go back to that kind
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: of stuff. Yes, it was hard. I was hard on
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: those guys. I mean I was hard. Yeah, And yet
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: they could still do that and they know, I laugh,
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: and they could do that, you know, they wouldn't get
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: into trouble and because it was funny and it was good.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: And so that's the type of relationship you have to
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: set up and Mike.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: That's why I brought it up to in the show,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: because I thought that was that shows relationship you had
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: with those guys, that there was mutual respect, but they
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: also knew they could have fun with coach Holmgren and
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: have that personal side as well. Uh, I mean, just
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: it's one of.
• 59:10
  Speaker 8: The best things.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I'm surprised somebody like Tobek didn't try
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: it over the years with you, like that feels like
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: something he would have done.
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: But it certainly does. It certainly does. Yeah, But you know,
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that they did. When I took those guys
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: out when let's say one in the Hall of Fame
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: and I couldn't go, and I took them to dinner,
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: they started telling stories I had no idea happened, and
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: a lot of them was just ripping me and laughing.
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: They had more fun, just kind of killing me. And
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: but I loved them. I really did.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I know, I know you did. Along the way.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: By the way, how was the meeting the next day
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: in the packers meeting room when those guys showed up
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: when Coach Holmgren walked in for the team meeting, did
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: you bring it up?
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: Oh? No, they had, they held their masks up, they
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: stood up, they applauded. You know, there was some characters
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: on that team.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: It's good stuff, but it goes back to that relationship stuff,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: which is the best part about it. Mike, thank you
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: so much. Great to have you on again. Pass out
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: to be candy this weekend and we'll talk to you
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: next week. Sir, thank you, Thank you.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: Have a good one yourself.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: There you go. That's Mike c Longrid love having those
• 1:00:10
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So I've been generally against Oklahoma and John Mattier,
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  Speaker 2: in here. Yeah, we'll talk to him about the Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: defense and playing the Commanders of Washington.
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  Speaker 8: Are they Are they number one of the NFL and
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  Speaker 8: run defense right now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? By the the by the I mean listen, Is
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  Speaker 8: Yes? Always always assumed.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, because there's different there's different stats. Right if you
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  Speaker 9: Week, we rush USh go by, well, the ars per carry,
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  Speaker 9: the yards per k, well, they're number one in both
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  Speaker 9: the yards per carry and total yards allowed.
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  Speaker 2: Rush defense seventy five points seven yards of game. Number one.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty good. That's pretty good.
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  Speaker 9: And they were twenty six last year in the NFL
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  Speaker 9: in yards per carry. Now they're number one in yards
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  Speaker 9: per carry.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't it feel like we've been complaining about the rush
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  Speaker 2: defense for years and.
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  Speaker 9: Now we're complaining about the rushing offense. I know, we
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  Speaker 9: can't have two things at the same time you get one.
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  Speaker 9: You know what, honestly, it's a great question. Would you
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  Speaker 9: rather be number one of the NFL and run defense
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  Speaker 9: right or number one of the NFL and rushing offense?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, I think kind of mediocre in the other one.
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  Speaker 2: I take where they are right now because I think
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  Speaker 2: I think that the rush offense is negated by how
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  Speaker 2: good the pass and offense? And Sam and say his name,
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  Speaker 2: how do you say it?
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  Speaker 8: Sam Darnold, thank you very much?
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  Speaker 2: And how he and jsanab you know the thing? And
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  Speaker 2: I know that everyone else knew this. I'm the last
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  Speaker 2: that Jsn's on pace for almost two thousand yards nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty nineties.
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  Speaker 9: On how about him and Jonathan Taylor duking out for
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  Speaker 9: the MVP? Oh, how's that say?
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  Speaker 2: You know I'm in? I'm in? Yeah? Well so, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Shawn's the only one, Shawn Alex the only MVP here right, correct?
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  Speaker 9: Yes, unless you include Cortes. Kennedy is the defensive Yeah close?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah close? But yeah, no, I mean we'll talk to him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the the past defense is okay, twenty third
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  Speaker 2: up on teams, guys have to throw against him a
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  Speaker 2: little bit and points allowed. Your number seven. That's Michael
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  Speaker 2: Doll's been. He's been okay. I guess right, he's been okay.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, I think he's been marvelous. I mean, except when
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  Speaker 9: he's at home when they stink, you know. And they're
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  Speaker 9: four and eight at loom And Field, which will change eventually. Obviously.
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  Speaker 9: I think they may be five and eight now after
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  Speaker 9: the Texan game. I don't know, I lost track of
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  Speaker 9: the numbers, but yeah, I mean I think overall, if
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  Speaker 9: you were to have told somebody that Mike McDonald would
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  Speaker 9: go ten and seven year number one and be five
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  Speaker 9: and two after week seven and year number two, you
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  Speaker 9: would have said, I'll take that. You know, defense is
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  Speaker 9: trending in the right direction, for sure. I think the
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  Speaker 9: offense is also trending in the right direction.
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  Speaker 7: For sure.
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  Speaker 9: They're gonna need to make a couple of tweaks over
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  Speaker 9: the offseason, probably to their run game, and maybe they're
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  Speaker 9: receiving depth over the offseason. That right guard spot eventually
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  Speaker 9: is gonna have to be addressed. But you know, you
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  Speaker 9: can't do that now. But I think they're doing great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the big question out here. So Christian Haynes, Jim
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  Speaker 2: Moore's favorite guy. He's back, he's he's off the injured list, practicing,
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  Speaker 2: and the big question is, hey, can he replace Anthony Bradford?
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  Speaker 2: And I mean McDonald's asked that like two or three
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  Speaker 2: different ways today out here, and he's like, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: those guys won the job. You know, he won the
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  Speaker 2: job during the training camp and all this stuff, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, God, really is it is.
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  Speaker 5: He that so?
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  Speaker 6: Well?
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  Speaker 9: But but remember remember though, and I know that you
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  Speaker 9: know this, this is just for sake of conversation, that
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  Speaker 9: Connor Williams got the starting center job over Big o'lu two.
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  Speaker 9: But he showed up here because you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 9: they obviously made the trade or signed Connor excuse me,
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  Speaker 9: in free agency when clearly he wasn't ready to play
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  Speaker 9: because of the knee injury, and because they made the
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  Speaker 9: deal because they thought Big Ola wasn't ready. And then
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  Speaker 9: guess what happened when Connor Williams quit and retired, Big
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  Speaker 9: Olu stepped in and looked okay at center. So point
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  Speaker 9: del right, But my point is maybe Christian Haynes needed
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  Speaker 9: a kick in the ass from Anthony Bradford in training camp.
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  Speaker 9: You know, maybe he needs, maybe he needs to sit
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  Speaker 9: on the bench for a couple of months and think
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  Speaker 9: about what he's done. And now that he's been humbled
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  Speaker 9: a little bit, who knows, maybe he'll be ready to dominate.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Here, man, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 8: What is Today's Today? Wednesday?
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  Speaker 9: Fourio is gonna be here, Petro's gonna be here, Harlan's
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  Speaker 9: radio program between now and in seven o'clock is Pete
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  Speaker 9: So well, he's gonna be a little bit later for
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  Speaker 9: twenty Today for him because he'll be literally doing the
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  Speaker 9: Game five of the World Series. And then you know
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  Speaker 9: what he's doing when his show's over, what he's going
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  Speaker 9: going home?
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 9: They they literally have the rights to Dodger Baseball and
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  Speaker 9: he will be leaving the stadium to go home.
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  Speaker 2: He will not have tickets.
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  Speaker 9: He could he could absolutely stay if he wanted to.
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  Speaker 9: It's leaving the World Series I hope I'd like to
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  Speaker 9: leave the World Series.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you kid what we have for you.
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  Speaker 2: No, here's the thing. That's what happens when you're spoiled
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  Speaker 8: Yeah we had it.
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