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Tedeschi Trucks Band · Broken Record with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell, Bruce Headlam and Justin Richmond

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  Speaker 1: Pushkin. Today we have Susan Tideski and Derek Trucks of
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  Speaker 1: Tedeski Trucks Band live from the Greek Theater in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 1: Derek Trucks made his name as a slide guitar prodigy
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  Speaker 1: with a Hall of Fame pedigree. He's a nephew of
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  Speaker 1: Butch Trucks, drummer of the Allman Brothers band, which Derek
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  Speaker 1: toured with extensively throughout the two thousands, all while leading
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  Speaker 1: his own group, the Derek Trucks Band. Somewhere along the road,
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  Speaker 1: Derek met another great guitarist with a Berkeley pedigree, Susan Tideski,
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  Speaker 1: who in my view, is one of the best singers
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  Speaker 1: working today. Susan was also leading her own group when
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  Speaker 1: she and Derek met. Eventually the two fell in love,
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  Speaker 1: got married, and merged their bands into one colossal family band.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty ten. The Tedeski Trucks Band has twelve members, which,
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  Speaker 1: just for perspective, is about the average number of players
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  Speaker 1: in Duke Ellington's Big band. Derek and Susan are clearly
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  Speaker 1: an adventurous couple and it comes through in their music.
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  Speaker 1: Although the blues is the band's foundation, none of their
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  Speaker 1: albums sound all that similar. This year, they managed to
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  Speaker 1: achieve that same diversity of sound on their I Am
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  Speaker 1: the Moon Project, a collection of twenty four songs across
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  Speaker 1: four different albums. It's inspired in part by the isolation
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  Speaker 1: of early pandemic life and the loss of longtime keyboardist
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  Speaker 1: Kofi Burbridge. On today's episode, I speak with Susan and
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  Speaker 1: Derek about the beginnings of their band and romantic relationship,
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  Speaker 1: and how the I Am the Moon Project came to be.
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  Speaker 1: They also play some of their new songs live from
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  Speaker 1: backstage at the Greek Theater just for us. This is
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  Speaker 1: broken record liner notes for the digital Age. I'm justin Richmond.
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  Speaker 1: Here's my conversation with Susan Tadeski and Derek Trucks of
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  Speaker 1: the Zadeski Trucks Band. Susan Diddesky, Derek Trucks, thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much. We're doing it. Yeah, man, thanks for doing that.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. It's incredible. Never been backstage here,
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  Speaker 1: been here many times. I was wandering around and I
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  Speaker 1: saw like a a sign that said and it was
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  Speaker 1: like for a room. I said, TTB rehearsal room. I
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  Speaker 1: was going to ask you guys about how often you
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  Speaker 1: guys work songs out and rehearse on the road, And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I got to see a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of it right now. We rehearse every day. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: makes us it's a twelve piece bad. It's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of moving parts. It Actually it's good because it really
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  Speaker 1: just forces us to all be in the room together
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  Speaker 1: and get like our minds kind of as one and
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  Speaker 1: just kind of started as that as just just getting
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  Speaker 1: together with twelve people. You don't want to first see
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  Speaker 1: each other when you hit the stage, like we want
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  Speaker 1: to spend a little time together, so we kind of
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  Speaker 1: we set up like a forty minute rehearsal leading up
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  Speaker 1: to the gig every night, where I mean sometimes you
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  Speaker 1: play two or three songs, sometimes you play one or two,
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  Speaker 1: but it's really just to get everyone in there and
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  Speaker 1: kind of you might play one or two songs for
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  Speaker 1: forty minutes now, I mean there's a lot of just
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  Speaker 1: hanging and kind of talking about the set and we
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  Speaker 1: don't always use all it depends on how many like
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  Speaker 1: when we after we write our set list, how many
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  Speaker 1: songs we need to go over and if we're rusty
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  Speaker 1: or not, or if we have new songs to work out,
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  Speaker 1: so it can be one or two songs, or can
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  Speaker 1: be ten. Yeah. The first show with US West Coast run,
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  Speaker 1: we wrote a set list and we're like, oh, there's
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  Speaker 1: three or four we've only played one time. We should
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  Speaker 1: probably run over those. So you know, you get the
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  Speaker 1: whole band in a room and you play through the
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  Speaker 1: tunes one time to make sure there's something you need
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  Speaker 1: to work on. The time goes quick. Was that one
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  Speaker 1: of the new songs or some of the new songs
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  Speaker 1: that you guys had only played once or two? Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the beauty of all these
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  Speaker 1: records coming out, as there's so much new material for
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  Speaker 1: us to dig into, so the shows are really fresh.
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  Speaker 1: Like we're writing set list now, you kind of can't
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  Speaker 1: get everything you want to play in. You have to
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  Speaker 1: kind of pick and choose what goes into making a
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  Speaker 1: set list for you guys. If we're on the road
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  Speaker 1: playing multiple nights in a row, I know there's certain
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  Speaker 1: songs that take it out of Sue or the singers,
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  Speaker 1: so you put those on the third night of a
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  Speaker 1: three night run, or you don't do them every or yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but we I mean we keep track of what we
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  Speaker 1: played in the venue or in a town the last
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  Speaker 1: five ten years we were here, and you look at
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  Speaker 1: it and if you repeat it a song every year,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of leave it all for Yeah, we try
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  Speaker 1: to mix it up and make it different every time
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  Speaker 1: we play somewhere, you know, and if you're playing in
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  Speaker 1: San Diego, LA, it's like a few hours away, like
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  Speaker 1: this is a lot of people that will make the trip,
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  Speaker 1: so you don't want to repeat the show. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of bands that play the exact same set every night.
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  Speaker 1: We are not one of those bands. I know this
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  Speaker 1: from experience that you guys are not that they are not.
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  Speaker 1: But we do have a lot of songs that will
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  Speaker 1: put in the rotation. You know. We'll definitely have songs
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  Speaker 1: that people usually request or like, like Midnight and Harlem
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  Speaker 1: or Bound for Glory, Made Up Mind, you know, some
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  Speaker 1: of those will just throw in the mix and then
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  Speaker 1: we'll do all the new stuff. I mean, now we
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  Speaker 1: have all these new songs. We have three of the
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  Speaker 1: four records we just released it are out, so we
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  Speaker 1: have what fifteen songs that we can play. Now. You
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  Speaker 1: don't want to wear tunes out, So if you play
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  Speaker 1: a tune starts seeing a little less than inspired, you
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  Speaker 1: just shove it for a minute. I've been and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of bands that have been around a long time,
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  Speaker 1: and when you see somebody fall out of love with
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  Speaker 1: an incredible song, it's kind of heartbreaking. Like, yeah, there
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  Speaker 1: were certain songs Greg Aman just didn't want to do
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  Speaker 1: because he did it so long, and I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to get to that point. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes it's the arrangement. Sometimes you have to shake it
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  Speaker 1: up and rethink it. And sometimes songs start in a
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  Speaker 1: place maybe it's a four minute song and then before
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  Speaker 1: you know it, it's a twenty minute song and Greg's like,
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  Speaker 1: that's not really what I wrote? Can we get back
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  Speaker 1: to that thing? And so, you know, these things go
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  Speaker 1: through a lot of lives and changes, so we try
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  Speaker 1: to constantly stay on those things. And it's a creative band.
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  Speaker 1: Part of having improvisational players on stage and people that
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  Speaker 1: can think quick and thinking around the corners, they also
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  Speaker 1: get bored easily. That's always been a challenge. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: back when Kofe Burbage is in the band, probably the
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  Speaker 1: greatest musician I've ever played with, you want to constantly
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  Speaker 1: throw things at him. So he's it's first thought, best thought.
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  Speaker 1: That's where the greatest stuff happened. So we challenge ourselves
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  Speaker 1: that way too, which is saying something if he's the
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  Speaker 1: best musician, because you've played with Eric Clapton and all
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  Speaker 1: my brothers and Herbie Hancock and Santana, there's there's I
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  Speaker 1: mean people. Yeah, I mean Kobe was different. He was
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  Speaker 1: an alien. I don't know where he came from. Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: I mean Elvin and McCoy, I mean those are all
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  Speaker 1: of that was incredible. I had seen McCoy a handful
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  Speaker 1: of times that the Blue Note in New York, and
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  Speaker 1: and the guy that ran the Blue Note was doing
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  Speaker 1: a record with McCoy called Guitars where he had different
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  Speaker 1: guitar players I think Scofield and it wasn't just it
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  Speaker 1: was called Guitars, but Baila Flag. It was interesting. But
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  Speaker 1: uh he asked me, and I was like, of course, intimidated,
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  Speaker 1: but I'd love to do it. I got to go
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  Speaker 1: buy McCoy Tyner's apartment and hang with him for a
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  Speaker 1: bit and we went out to lunch, and the whole
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  Speaker 1: time I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm not gonna ask him
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  Speaker 1: John Coldrank question they're just not gonna be that guy.
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  Speaker 1: And we sit down at lunch having coffee and he
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  Speaker 1: just starts telling Coltrane stories that I'm thinking, yes, but
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  Speaker 1: it was beautiful, Like his eyes just lit up, man,
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  Speaker 1: like he was twenty years younger when he was talking
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  Speaker 1: about that stuff. It's just and I heard a similar
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  Speaker 1: thing about the Muscle Shoals, guys like David Hood and
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  Speaker 1: and Roger Hawkins and all those guys that played on
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  Speaker 1: those Aretha records, Like when they talked about those sessions
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  Speaker 1: in particular, like just this thing happened to it just
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  Speaker 1: they got a look in their eye and it was
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  Speaker 1: away with my uncle with Butch Trucks when he talked
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  Speaker 1: about playing with delayne Ahmand in those two or three
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  Speaker 1: years that they were a banded Like, it's just every
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  Speaker 1: once in a while when you really ring the bell,
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  Speaker 1: that stuff stays with you. I wonder by the like
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if it's like a chicken or egg thing,
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  Speaker 1: Like is it that intensity and love for each other
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  Speaker 1: and music that they had that made that music so
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  Speaker 1: incredible or is it the fact that they somehow made
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  Speaker 1: this like celestial, divine music. I mean, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: all of it. I really think it's you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: the right people, right time, right place. The right chemistry
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  Speaker 1: definitely will help ate the music because it frees you up,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It frees you up to
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  Speaker 1: just let it flow out of you. I think, especially
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  Speaker 1: if you're on the same page, like those guys were
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  Speaker 1: on the same wavelength. Yeah, you know they can read
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  Speaker 1: each other's behind them lost at that point. There's that
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  Speaker 1: Elvin Jones quote talking about that quartet and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: to play the way we play together, you had to
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  Speaker 1: be willing to die with a motherfucker. You're like, that's
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  Speaker 1: what it sounds like, that's what it and that's how.
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  Speaker 1: That's how those Almond brothers, those are that original band
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  Speaker 1: and the crew they were that way, I mean Red
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  Speaker 1: Dogs the ROADI he would have taken a bullet for
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  Speaker 1: any one of them without thinking. And they're all I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Duyne Almond and Barry Oakley are buried together in a
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  Speaker 1: cemetery in Making And now Greg's there, and now my
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  Speaker 1: uncle's ashes are there like the six original Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: original six members are all going to be I've never
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  Speaker 1: heard of that beautiful and Chank who just passed away,
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  Speaker 1: who was Gregory's best friend for many years. He used
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  Speaker 1: to go and he told Derek too, like he didn't
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  Speaker 1: he bring you? He picked me up there after after
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  Speaker 1: greg passed away, we went by the graves and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I've been coming here for like forty years at least
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  Speaker 1: once a week when I'm home, and I'll just come.
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  Speaker 1: He just go roll a joint smoke and just talk
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  Speaker 1: to them, like just fill them in on things I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was like changing if I ever have a friend
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  Speaker 1: that's one thousand, Like, how lucky well I by, you know,
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  Speaker 1: having a smoke. I'm almost ten years old. Speaking of
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  Speaker 1: like chemistry, Like it's kind of amazing that you guys
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  Speaker 1: have a twelve piece band forty minute rehearsals aside, Like
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  Speaker 1: how do you find a way to get twelve people
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  Speaker 1: in a room in a room on the same page,
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  Speaker 1: communicating until the back engaged, wanting to push themselves? You know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it seems an impossible task. Sometimes we don't all fit
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  Speaker 1: in a room. Sometimes, you know, you have like the
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  Speaker 1: horns in the hallway and singers in the bathroom, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, everyone kind of bleeding into a room because
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  Speaker 1: we don't always f into backstage rooms. But for the
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  Speaker 1: most part, we're kind of in like little groups. So
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  Speaker 1: you'll have like the horn section together, you'll have the
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  Speaker 1: three singers together, then you have Derek and I and Brandon,
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  Speaker 1: and then you'll have the drummers. It feels more streamlined
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  Speaker 1: because the drummers are a unit and the horns are
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  Speaker 1: a unit, and the singers are a unit like so
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  Speaker 1: it makes it almost feel like a six piece fan
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  Speaker 1: everyone's thinking that way. Even more than that, it really
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  Speaker 1: is about the chemistry, and it's about when you're on
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: the road for years and years you meet people along
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  Speaker 1: the way and you think, someday I want to play
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  Speaker 1: with that person, and you kind of keep that in
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  Speaker 1: the back of your head. It's like when we started
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: talking about this band and we started talking about a
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  Speaker 1: horn section, she was like, do you know Kebby Williams.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeahs who I was thinking about. Kevin.
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  Speaker 1: He's the guy like he's just got five for days.
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  Speaker 1: He's just he's got such a unique so tone and
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  Speaker 1: melody and he can play anything, any kind of style
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  Speaker 1: of music, anything. But he also just the vibe, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, his chemistry with everybody. Is such a good
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  Speaker 1: person and he's so sweet and yeah, and that has
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  Speaker 1: to be a big part of it, right, It's a
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  Speaker 1: big part of big personality, that good attitude to each other.
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  Speaker 1: He definitely likes to party, get out there and sit
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  Speaker 1: in and you know, play with different people all the
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  Speaker 1: time too, which is really nice. He has a lot
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  Speaker 1: of friends and a lot of places, and we're very
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  Speaker 1: lucky to have him. I mean, and it's great. Like
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  Speaker 1: this band, we'll get done with the show and if
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  Speaker 1: we're staying overnight, sometimes within fifteen twenty minutes of the
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  Speaker 1: gig being over, somebody will call, like, I'm at this
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  Speaker 1: jazz club and Ephraim and Kevy are here sitting in already.
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  Speaker 1: They're incredible, man. They just like they're just always looking
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  Speaker 1: for me. They they are looking. They're like they're mixing
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  Speaker 1: it up you wherever we are in the world. Like
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  Speaker 1: I've ran into Kevy on the street playing some guys trombone.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredible he does they I mean, they beat people
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  Speaker 1: everywhere and it's it's a fun band that way. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: we have band members literally ranging in four decades because
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  Speaker 1: we had people born in the sixties, seventies, eighties, and nineties. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: in this band, so if you think of it that way,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of not only it's an American band, and
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  Speaker 1: it's very diverse, you know, ethnically, religiously, all of that,
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  Speaker 1: which is so beautiful, and you know, it also just
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  Speaker 1: helps the audience understand, you know, this can be done,
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  Speaker 1: like we can do better in this world, like look
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  Speaker 1: at us, Look how much we love each other. And
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  Speaker 1: then they're like, holy crap, you do, and then they
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  Speaker 1: have a more open mind, and then they start to
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  Speaker 1: love more people, and you know, we're just trying to
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  Speaker 1: spread love. At the end of the day, we're trying
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  Speaker 1: to make people get along. You know, I became aware
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  Speaker 1: of you guys. Maybe I must have been sixteen, two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and six, twousand and seven, twenty ten. You gotts
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  Speaker 1: start to dusky trucks by that point, and you guys
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  Speaker 1: were married. But it quite realize you guys have been
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  Speaker 1: married so long since two thousand and one. You guys
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  Speaker 1: really are like a family band. Like I imagine why
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  Speaker 1: you guys ended up merging your two separate bands is
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: because you wanted to spend more more time together. Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 1: He was ready to do this project. And then when
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  Speaker 1: he asked me, I was like, well, I better hop
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  Speaker 1: on the bandwagon. I don't want to miss out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: even though I was like finally getting centered and you
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  Speaker 1: know what, having my solo band do good. But at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, I was like, heck, yeah, the idea
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  Speaker 1: of like creating art with your spouse or with any
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  Speaker 1: family and you must know this from your time with
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  Speaker 1: the Allman Brothers, like it feels like that can be
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  Speaker 1: a fraud experience. Well, I mean we waited a long
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  Speaker 1: time to jump into this. I mean we bought a
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  Speaker 1: house together, we got pregnant, and then we got married.
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  Speaker 1: We were together for ten years, and we were like,
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe we could probably start thinking about putting
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  Speaker 1: a band together. Like were like, we didn't jump into it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we thought long and hard about it, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, we had been on the road. We'd even
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  Speaker 1: experimented going out with her solo band and mine, and
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  Speaker 1: then we put a before the Tadesky Trucks band, we
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  Speaker 1: did like the Revival, which is kind of half of
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  Speaker 1: her band, half of my band, and just to kind
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  Speaker 1: of feel out how it would go. When you're that
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  Speaker 1: passionate about what you do and your sole focus when
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  Speaker 1: you're on the road, is that you have to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that your thing is compatible because you know, you
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  Speaker 1: both love what you do, but you don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna work. And it took us a while to
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  Speaker 1: really find our thing, but a good portion of it
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  Speaker 1: existed right out of the gate, like our chemistry when
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  Speaker 1: we played together. It's kind of one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that brought us together. So I think we always knew
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  Speaker 1: that we wanted to do something. It was kind of inevitable. Well,
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  Speaker 1: his guitar playing in my vocals, like it was always
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  Speaker 1: very easy and natural, like almost like we could finish
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  Speaker 1: each other sentences, you know, on stage. That was kind
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  Speaker 1: of right out of the gate. Yeah, right out of
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  Speaker 1: the gate. So we definitely have that connection. But then
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  Speaker 1: it was cool too because you know, he obviously comes
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: from more of a jazz world. Even though I went
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: to jazz college. He knows a lot more than I
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  Speaker 1: do about jazz. It's just more in his wheelhouse where
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: I think with me, it was more I guess country
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  Speaker 1: and gospel music. You know, folk music people like Bob Dylan,
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Willie Nelson are just like that, Mahali Jackson, stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: But then he also loved Mahealia, so he's like, you
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: love Mahle, Yeah, I love Mehelia. You know, I'd be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: do you have this record? He's like, yeah, I love
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  Speaker 1: Beeby King and Albert King and Freddie King and you know.
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  Speaker 1: So we realized a lot of the things that we
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: had in common, but then also we turned each other
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  Speaker 1: on to stuff. He turned me on to Sun Raw.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: That's a good first date. Yeah, He's like, do you
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  Speaker 1: know this. I'm like, no, space is the place. It was. Well,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: actually we brought her on the bus. It was me
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: and Otel Burbridge and we would travel with Greg on
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: his bus. Yeah, Greg Alvin, And then we brought Susan
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: over for a hang and had this sun Rob film.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: We watched some of that, and then we put on
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: like a Liberaci Christmas like this is incredible, wow it
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: this is the place. Yeah. Yeah, well my Favorites was
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: totally bizarre, like makes no sense, but it's like such
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: a cool one. Yeah, like history is history, mystery is
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: my story. I was like, yeah, I love this guy
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: so fantastic. I was like, wait, he's got tinfoil on
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: his head and he's talking of Saturn. This is great.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I'm in And he doesn't even do drugs. It doesn't
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: do drugs. The youth center in Oakland. Yeah, of course
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: had to try to turn you onto people. I think
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I turned you on a Magic Sam, you know, Sam
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Maguettah and h and Funny enough, Magic Sam and Sunra
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: were on the same label in Chicago. I would not
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: think that you're the one turning her onto a sun
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Run and she's turning you on the Magic. You know.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Between starting playing and where we met, I ran into
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Colonel Bruce Hampton at about twelve years old. And who
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: is he? So? Colonel is from Atlanta, Georgia. He's kind
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: of like a Frank Zappa character but different, more southern
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: and mystical and out. But he just man. A lot
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: of incredible music came through the Colonel. He would always say,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a minor league baseball coach, just getting
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: people ready. But at twelve years old, I met him
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: and he just turned me onto the most incredible music.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, he bought me my first son Ra record.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: He bought me a Love Supreme when I was thirteen
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: or fourteen. He turned me on to Christian Murdy like
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: he was. He was always one of those guys that
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: he would find young musicians. And his thing was all
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: about intention and about you know, why are you doing it?
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Where is it coming from? He didn't care all good.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: You were like if you mean it, and you were
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: and you were not bs And then he was your
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: biggest fan on the planet. And he I mean, he
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: was an incredible human being, incredible life he lived. But yeah,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: he took list entertainer. He played on Frank Zappa's first record,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Oh No what. Yeah, he was just a fascinating character man,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: and he he changed a lot of musicians lives like
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Oteel Burbridge and Jimmy Herring came through Colonel the Quare
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: and Rescue Unit. A lot of US guys, yeah, fish
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: that whole scene. They all revered Colonel Bruce. And I
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: knew Colonel before I knew Derek. Really, yeah, we both did.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I knew him when I was like twenty six. I
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: didn't meet Derek to us twenty eight, So I met
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Colonel about two years before I met Derek, and he
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: had taken you under his wing. Yeah as well. Yeah,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: he would let me sit in with him and he
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: was like, God, what I've never seen this is outrageous.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: You're a girl doing what blues. Unbelievable. I didn't even
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: know that you even knew what that was or whatever.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: You know, he just say slowly stuff. Yeah. He was
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: so sweet and so fun and he was a one
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: of a kind. They only made one of him and
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: he went out on stage with you guys, right. He
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: had a lot of the people that were influenced by
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: him on that stage with him and a sold out
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: show and everybody in the audience screaming his name. Bruce
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: seventieth birthday, seventh birthday, seventy a birthday party, and in
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the middle of his favorite song, turned on Your Love
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Light he ever sang on stage and the last song
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: pretty wild, fourth song on he made it to the encore.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah to his favorite song, seventieth Birthday and yeah, yeah,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: and that was that, which was what happened. He had
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: a massive hearted Yeah. But you know, he was such
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: a he was such a character or like he just
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: did he did outland his stuff his whole career. He
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: was like almost Andy Kaufman esque with some of his stuff,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Like he would just do just the most absurd stuff.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I mean. At one point early on he opened for
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: three Dog Night at this festival, and he had his
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: band play all three dog Night songs, but just but
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: just bent, just bent of it got so bad that
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to get a police escort out of there. Like he
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: was he was just fearless man. He was like he
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: was just out of head. Yeah, So he would do
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: stuff like old drummer Yon Rico Scott. He played with
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Colonel for a year. When I met Rico, he's playing
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: with Colonel. I mean he would do stuff like he
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: called it the dead Thorax. He'd be in the middle
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: of a show and he would he would give some
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: signal and everybody on stage would go limp from the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: waist up, just drop it, just stand there for an
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable amount of time to the crowds, like what is happening.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: So when this happened on stage at the Fox with Bruce,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: like everyone thought it was almost like a James Brown
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: going down, and so no one reacted. You know, it
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: was you didn't know, and it felt like a Bruce
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: move like it was. Really his whole thing was He's like,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: myth is just as important as truth, Like it's just
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: like it's just as important he prepared us for. Yeah,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: it was almost he changed a lot of lives. He
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: was made a lot of musicians better. You know, he
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: taught you the things you needed to know any and
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: he broke you of bad habits. And he did an
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: ego being the biggest one. And actually two of our
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: band members were in bands with him, so Falcon our
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: drummer and Brandon and at different times they were both
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: in Colonel's band. Yeah, it's kind of a lot. So
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the four of us are definitely his children. Colonel Bruce
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: speaking of that, it kind of ties in with the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Passaquon stuff. Passaquons a spot in middle Georgia where this
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: guy Eddio and Martin Saint Ome he changed his name to.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: He was a little bit like the White Southern Sun,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: raw but visual artist. He took this place he lived
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: in and just turned it into this just living art
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: piece and it just became acres and it got bigger
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and bigger and it's still there. Diferent mediums, but it
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: would concrete, he would have you know, it looks like
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you're draining, and you know, he would use ten and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: stuff like a like all over the roof and everything.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: So it really is gorgeous. It's really incredible, and it's
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: called Passaquon because he believed in these people that were
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the Passaquonians, which were all different races that got along
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and lived in harmony. And so he really believed that
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: there were these people from outer space. But Saint Omes
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: thing though, he like it was kind of a safe
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: haven for a lot of the hippies and freaks in
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: the early mid sixties. So Colonel Bruce would go and
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: hang with Saint Ome and met his best friend there
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and like, so we have this connection to this place.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So when when Colonel passed, we finally got by there,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: we realized that our farm and Georgia's maybe forty minutes
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: from Passaquon, and so we went and visited this place
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: and it's just incredible. Like if you ever area, yeah,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that's in the middle of nowhere. It doesn't make any
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: sense that this place exist or that they didn't run
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, it sounds beautiful though. Yeah, it's it's
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: quite something, man. I mean, that's the whole story for
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: another day. It's amazing. It seems like that spirit too,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Like you guys have that same thing going on, and
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you guys are just instead of having Passaquon, you guys
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: are on the road. Yeah, those are our touchstones, you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: and that's where we made a lot of all the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: films for these four records that just came out. We
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: actually filmed it at Passaquon, so when people see those
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and they're like, where is this place? Yeah, And we
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: brought a camel to tie in the Layla imagined and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Persian twelfth century poem by Nazimi. And apparently it's easy
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to rent a camel in Atlanta because on the film,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: because a lot of them and a lot of Nativity scenes,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: you can't get them around November December, it's hard to
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: get a camel. Things you have to think about busy
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: season for camels. And that's incredible. I want to talk
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: about the poem you just referenced, but maybe before we
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: do that, you guys up for playing Here my Dear,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: first record of your four discs. Absolutely we're gonna pop
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: on our stamps when we come back. Derek Trucks and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Susan Tadeski performed their new song here my Dear from
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the record I Am the Moon, Volume one Crescent. We're
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: back with Derek Trucks and Susan Tideski's performance of their
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: song Here my Dear from backstage at the Greek Theater
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: n La. This is a song that Derek started. He
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: wrote this song and then we sat around and wrote
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the lyrics together. But this is really a Derek song,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: really beautiful, and it really reminded me like at the time,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you know, going through the pandemic and being in that
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: moment when we really started writing for this record and
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: we thought it might just be one record. We didn't
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: know at the time it was going to be four
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: records and part of this whole thing. But um, but
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it really kind of it makes you think about like
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: where we were at that time, and almost everybody can
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: kind of remember where they were in March of twenty
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: twenty when all of a sudden the world shut down.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I think about this song as kind of, you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the creative process really for this band,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: for him and I, you know, whereas Mike was writing
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: songs at home and Gabe was writing songs and Falcon
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and but this is the first one that I remember
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that really hit me when we were doing this project.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And it's the first song on the first first song
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: on the first yea on Crescent. Yeah, it's kind of
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: a nice introduction to the story too, kind of tracks
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a little bit with the with the poem. But yeah,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: here mind being characters, and yeah, as we watch the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: world go by, there's so much we search to find,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the lots memories go play. Knowing this so much more
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to say, won't keep sauce feeling. It's feeling, that's don't
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: wig lose. Here my deed is your meladeed, So sorry
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: it tooks love. I was loved a wild days and
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that's where I hurt our shove all the times I'm
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: made cry and the dreams be left behind. Let's make
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the future aust hold, and I'll be there as we
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: grow old. The being a song I believe. Don't the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: wee bro keeps a turning and turned in, that's the weakers.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Hear my deed as you melade I'm so sorry it
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: took so love. I was the louill and that's where
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I heard a song. Hear my deed is you meladeed?
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry it took so love. I was the war,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: but I swear I saw here my deed huality, So
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: sorry took a love. I was lo the willness, but
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I swad swans he had a soul. Here my deeds,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: it's humlady, So sorry it tooks love. I was lost
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: still wills, Oh, I swear I had a soul here.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: My deeds is humanity. I'm so sorry it took so low.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I was not singing wilderness. Oh well, that's well. So
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I was lost, lost in the wilderness I was. We've
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: all been there. How do you sing like that? Oh,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: it's pretty incredible. How do you sing like that? Have
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: you always heard a voice like that? I've been singing
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a long time. My mom said, I sang in the
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: crib before I spoke, and then I used to speak
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: in Chinese to them. I told him I was from
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: China before I came. I was a strange kid. I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: don't know. I've been singing though my whole life, and honestly,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I wasn't always good, and my brothers made horrible fun
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: of me, and I was just so stubborn. I said,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I'm going to prove you wrong, and then I just
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: kept working at it. What would you sing like? Early on? Well,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I started you in theater. I mean I've been on
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: stage since I was about five or six. So I
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: did a lot of musicals growing up. And then I
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: started being in like rock bands at like thirteen, fifteen, sixteen,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: and then went to college at seventeen, graduate college at twenty,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: and then started my own band. Really not until a
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: couple of years after I graduated college, and then just
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: lucked out right place right time. Won like a battle
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the Blues bands went down in Memphis, came in second,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and the international thing and then the first place band
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't even like a real band. So we got like
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: all the you know, number one you know prizes, which
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: was go play at this festival and Helen Arkansas, go
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: play in Jacksonville at the Spring in the Blues festival
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: where Derek's front. Getting to play Jacksonville's a pretty sweet
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: prize at the time of ten thousand dollars. I'm sorry
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: ten grand. When you are driving in a van and
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: making five hundred bucks a gig, you're like, whoa, I'll
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: take ten grand. So I won second place at a
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: talent contest in Jacksonville at a country bar, eight one
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Take that. It wasn't good. Yeah, one like
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Entertainer of the Year in ninety one, and we're presented
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: by Marilyn Manson. Oh, there was this magazine in Florida,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: maybe it still exists. It was called Jam Magazine. And
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: they would do the Jammies every year, and I think
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I was eleven or twelve and one Entertainer of the Year.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Somehow in the next year I had to present the award.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I think it was Marilyn Manson and the Funky Bunch
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: they were called at the time, and they all in
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: thee No, no, this is Manson's like Florida band because
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: he was from Yeah, he had this and they all
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: wore like skirts and had little lunchboxes and like it
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: was a whole thing he was doing. Then. I've been
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: looking for photos of this and I cannot find it.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: It's from like ninety one or ninety one. I saw
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: that it was very early on. But yeah, might have
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: given it in ninety two to him, I think, because
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: ninety one is the award. I think I turned over
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: entertained through the year. Yeah it was. It wasn't the
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: most comfortable hang. Yeah, we didn't really have a lot
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: to say to each other. Oh yeah, I gotta find
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that if anyone has those pictures or videos. Meanwhile, I
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: was so excited because we got to play Hell in
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Arkansas and I got to hang out with Robert, you know,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Junior Robert in your Lockwood and and you know who.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Actually his mom used to date Robert Johnson, so he
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: would get lessons from them, but he would only hear
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: him in the other room, and he would learn a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: couple of turnarounds and stuff from him. Wow, isn't that crazy.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: You're one person removed from Robert Johnson. Yeah, it was
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: really trying to him. And honey Shines and honey Boy Edwards,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the one Honeyboy was still alive, that honey Boy Edwards right,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: because and he just sam large. Honeyboy was incredible. Honeyboy
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: was great. And actually Jack Owen was there too. I
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: have a picture of me with my back to Jack Owen,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: who I didn't know at the time, and I was
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: talking with Al Hubert and then we have a painting
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: of jack Owen in our house now. But I was like,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm touching him and I didn't even know.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: You guys came along at like such a cool time
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: because not only talent, but it's like, yeah, people still around. Yeah,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: a little Milton and you know, like getting to play
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: with all your hairs, I mean leave on and er
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: leave on out, like oh incredible. One of the nicest
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: people ever. Another coronelism. He's like certain people Hubert something
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Dondre and I are good friends being those are angel
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: race people like they just they are when they're in
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the room. You feel better, Nelson than beautiful people amazing,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: you know, Hubert. I feel like we were very lucky
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: to come along at a time because some of our
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: heroes were still alive. But also it was kind of
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: it was pre internet. It was pre I mean we
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: could play two three hundred days a year and some
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: yeah still record stores, but some shows be recorded. But
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like everything you played was on YouTube the
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: next day, like you could. You could experiment and exactly
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: you could be not great and work on it every night.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Does the idea of that that what you're doing could
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: end up on the internet the next day or that night.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Does that effect which you do? The way it affects
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: us is we when we release a record, we don't
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: play another the new material to the records out where
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: before you would just work that stuff up until and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: then you really have it down who exactly yeah anymore
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: and puts it on YouTube. And then when a record
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: comes out, nothing's new, It's all material everyone knows. So
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: we have to be careful with that stuff, but I don't.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: We don't think about it, at least I don't when
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: we're up, when we're playing playing. I mean, you kind
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: of right what it is. It's so in your face
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: all the time that you kind of forget that it's yeah,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: so you're not so self conscious, But there are some
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: things you have to think about. Like the tune Soul
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Sweet Song that was going to be the one single
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: from the four records. We had worked it up and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: wanted to play it, like we really can't until it's out,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: like you got to kind of hold on to it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: We didn't play any of the tunes till each record dropped.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: But that's kind of fun. It gives us mid tour
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: something to kind of sink our teeth into. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: we need to remember all these songs that we wrote
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: and recorded a year ago. Don't know all of them?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: We don't. We know a bunch of them. I mean
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of the tunes we wrote and recorded, write
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: when it happened and then on the spot. Yeah, I
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: mean some of them. One of them literally, like one
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: of them to Gary, you had written the music and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: then I was writing the lyrics as I'm singing it
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: in the recording session and that's what's on the record, like,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, do it again, and
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I have a second verse now I'm like jotting it
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: out as it's coming out, and it just poured out. Yeah,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: So were you just like recording a jam and then
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden it it turned into a song. Well,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: he had the music, Yeah, you know, we arranged it
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: at twenty thirty minutes with the band kind of figuring
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: out where the moves are and what's what, and then
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: it just kind of took on a life of its own,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: and Susan her vocal booths, humming melodies and singing along
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and was like, oh, what's that melody? Do that? And
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like okay, and I'm like I think I have
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: something that goes with that. He's like, okay, we're gonna
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: play it again. And then we'd play it and then
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: it would just pour out and we'd record it, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: then all the Love was a lot like that, except
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: for the bridge that we went in and wrote when
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I was when I went back in to sing it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: But the other stuff, I mean, it all happened in
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the moment too. Yeah, it's gonna be twenty four songs total,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: which is staggering because you guys are like on the
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: road all the time. Obviously, March twenty twenty when things
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: kind of yeah. So in March twenty twenty until May
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, we didn't tour, and then May
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one was the first time actually Derek
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and I did a duo group, like just the two
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: of us, which was weird. We've never gone out as
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: like a duet, you know kind of thing. So we
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: did a few of those, and then we brought Falcon
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: with us, so it was trio, and then we started
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: building it and then it was four piece. And that's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: how the Fireside Session started, was because we were close
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: enough to some of the band because being in Florida,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: and then our guys in Atlanta, and then Gabe who
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: was in Nashville, so Gabe could drive four hours or
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: five hours to Atlanta and then we could drive four
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: or five hours up to Georgia. We all met and
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: then we started writing for this project, and then we
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: did the Fireside Sessions, which was that band, which was
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: really a six piece with my road. How many people
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: can we cram in one tour bus with a trailers. Yeah,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: so we literally did a tour with just a six
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: piece band and all the crew on one bus, which
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: was great. It was actually really cool. So we did
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that for a few months until August of twenty twenty
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: one where we first got the whole twelve piece back
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: together when we played Locke and Music Festival in Arrington,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Virginia and then back on the road. Twelve piece did
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that break in like that space toward life load you
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: guys to writing, No doubt about it. Absolutely. I mean
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: we've never been in a situation where you just have
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: time to eighteen months to think and be, you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: sitting in a room together and work on these things.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: There's there's always a deadline. There's always something in the
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: back of your head that you're thinking about, Like, all right,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: we have five days to write work on a record.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: But then we really got to start thinking about the
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Beacon Theater run in those eight shows and how many
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Like at some point you pivot to rehearsal or there's
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: always something which is great. But once tours started being canceled,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: we're like, oh, we're not working until the end of
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the year at best, right, Like so we're down on
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the studio writing and we're up at the farm riding
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: with the band, and there was just this beautiful sense
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: of a wee can stay in this place. Like Mike
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: had this great idea to dig into the source material
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: of the Derek and the Domino's Layla record, which is
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Leila imagine on this beautiful twelfth century poem by the Zombie,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: which Lord Iron thought was the inspiration for Romeo and Juliet,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Like it's an incredible story, super rich lyrically, and but
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Mike's idea was the Layla records incredible, but it's just
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: this guy that can't have this woman that he infatuated with. Ye,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: that's the yeah, and that's the every song is pretty
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: much that feeling. And he's like, the story is just incredible,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: and what if we flipped it on his head, like
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: what did Layla think about this? Like what was her
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: take on this love sick nut job? And then from
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: there it was what about all the other people too? Yeah,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: you know, the two people in society. Yeah, So that
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: this was Mike's idea. So early in the lockdown he
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: had proposed like what if we all read this we
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: can't be together? What if we all read the story
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: and we're just thinking about that theme, and maybe some
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: songs come out of it. Who knows who cares. At
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: least it's something to do on the same thing, and
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: they focus something. Mike, who is the Harvard English major,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: just incredibly intelligent and incredible writer. He wrote up this
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: beautiful synopsis with all his dark humor and uh and
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: send it to everybody, and that kind of kicks. Yeah,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: when when he's ready, we will. As soon as he
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: did that, three or four weeks later, we could get tested,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: and families were letting their loved ones leave and come
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: visit us and live with us at the house for
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: a few weeks, and there was just all these ideas
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: and not having to break and go back on the road.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Everyone in the world was stuck at home and your
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: circumstances were not changing, So we didn't have to get
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: out of that mindset. We could stay in that story
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and we could stay writing and just kind of it
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: was kind of an amazing time. So it was a
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: lot of music that came out of it, and once
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: there was two or three songs that really were tracking
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: with the story. Like we didn't want it. It's not
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: a rock opera. You don't want it. It's not, Yeah,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: it's not. It's just it was inspired by and then
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: it takes on a life of its own. But when
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: when Gabe wrote the two and I Am the Moon,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: he sent down this demo he did at home, Sue
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: was crying and she's she's playing a lot accusa guitar,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: walking around the house just singing that too, and I
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: was like, I think we're onto something like and it
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: really sounded like the poem. We'll be right back with
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Susan Tideski and Derek Truck's performance of I Am the
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Moon right after this break. We're back with Susan Tideski
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: and Derek Truck's performance of the song I Am the Moon.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: As you'll hear, the song was inspired by the old
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Arab poem Layla and Magic Noon, the same poem that
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: inspired Eric Clapton's famous song Layla can play a verse
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: of that see. I literally was walking around the house like,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: oh you made ah you fancy I love this song
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: line in my dogness since you love I head all
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Hello revealed to me. Now there's old thing. I won't
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: sing the whole song, but you get the idea. It
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: was so pretty, and I was like and all and
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: it was so descriptive of a lot of the poem,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: like he actually I was like, okay, gave us an
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a plus. Play the chorus once. I can't. I can't
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: bail on the chorus. Okay, it's too good. It's just
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: too good. He's back. I walked these halls like a prisoner.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: They want to see me from myself. They tell me stories.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: You've gone crazy. I couldn't use a little ChIL myself.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I the movie You are the Son, and look at
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: you flame out from a very one. You are stop.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I am stop up her spining alone. No, so Gold,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: you get the idea. Thanks for that? Yeah, that so yeah.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: We started talking about the poem and that definitely led
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: to a lot of ideas, and then after that started
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: to record him, and then it got so crazy busy
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: because we got back into it. That actually our recording
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: engineer who's also Derek's guitar tech and our monitor engineer,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: he had to stay home the month of January to
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: mix all of the four records. We could get it
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: out on vinyl in time for this September. And this
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: was literally like the vinyl thing is like really hard
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: to get in live, yeah, acord, like hurry up and
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: finish so we can get you know, so we could
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: get it done. So it's been kind of, you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: a whirlwind ever since. How did you guys decided to
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: divide the Like once you had all those songs, like
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: did you was you a thought maybe, well, maybe we'll
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: save twelve for like a record a couple of years
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: from now. I mean, you know, we thought about all that,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: We thought about releasing it all at once. But you know,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: we when we're recording, we have a listening lounge upstairs,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: and we'll often go up there after a session and
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: just listen to everything we've done up to that point.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: And at a certain point it was just too much
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: to take in in one sitting, you know, And then
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: we started noticing. I'm sure it's happened before, but I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: don't know another group that's released a set of songs
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: this way. But as a listener, it's really nice to
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: be able to feel good thing because it's so much easier.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Like Derek was actually made a reference originally to like
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: some of the great records that you love. They're like
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: thirty five to forty minutes long, and they all fit
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: on vinyl perfectly, because that was one of the things
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: that you guys had discussed too, like the fidelity of
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: a record is best at a certain length because you
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: don't want to oversaturate because then you lose quality as
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: well as sound, which people don't always know. So basically
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: that was one of the ideas too. You're listening to
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Access Bold as Love and I Love Supreme, and they're
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: like thirty two minutes, thirty four minutes. I mean, these
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: are these are my favorite records of all time. When
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: you when it sides done and you flip it, you
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: want to hear it again and so sad. So we yeah,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: we were making playlists upstairs and when it was around
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: that length that just when it was done, so easy
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: to listen to and you can soak it in and
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: enjoy it and experience like you have experience I have,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Like I have a very unique experience with each one.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: The third one happens to be my favorite, but yeah,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: that you still are, like, you know, the third one
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: almost was like when I listened to it, it's like
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: reminds me of like Sticky Fingers or of the Night.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: The songs are all that similar but the same and
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: there was there was a moment where looking at the
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: back of the Love Supreme cover, there's just something that
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: that just feels right. It's in four parts, like just
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the just the like when you look at that record
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: before you hear it, you're like, this is serious basically
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: feels right. Yeah, And so we started thinking about like
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the classic story arc. You know, you have the beginning
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: or the overture or the crescent, you know, and then
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: you have the rising action or the ascension, then you
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: have the conflict or the fall, and then you have
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the resolution or the farewell. Like that's we started thinking
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: about just that bell curve in the story arc, and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: that's when we came up with album titles. And then
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: it was a matter of finding the songs that felt
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: like secret that part of the movement and you know,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: and there's a little bit of a through line and
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the stories about the whole project, but each one has
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: to stand on its own. You know. Usually you get
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: to the third record and it just falls off. But
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: there's so many I think records I haven't heard the
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: fourth yet, so many good songs on it. It's kind
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: of like, wait, what, Like there's still good songs like
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: to come but oh yeah, it's kind of crazy pictures.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: You think you got your different it's like great bow, Yeah, exactly,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: get Kershaw coming up, Max Free. I don't know. My
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: great uncle pitch for six sixteen, seventeen years in the Major.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: He's a fastball pitcher. Virgil fire Trucks. These incredible family.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: There's some people Claude Trucks, my grandfather and FAM's army.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: He was something. Yeah, there's some good ones. Actually you're
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: good ones too. But his grandfather's cousin was Virgil, and
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: actually he went to World War Two and when he
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: got back, pitched in the World Series, like two weeks
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: after he got back. Yeah, whoa what's his name? Virgil
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Fireball Trucks led the league in strikes, two, no hitters
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: and nineteen and was good friends with Satchel Paige and
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: they would go around and Barnes storm together. Yeah, dang,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I want to join your family. As what I said,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I got to meet Virgin when he was in his
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: nineties and being my dad were there and he was
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: just telling these incredible stories. And when his wife would
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: leave the room, the stories would get really colorful and incredible.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: And then right when she would walk in he would
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: just turn on a dime and I was like, he's
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: a master and that runs in the family. You have
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: to learn these things. Are you guys okay to play? Well,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: we'll go out on this last song. Actually, during the pandemic,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: it was also a time where you know, a lot
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: of kids didn't get to graduate because they didn't get
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: to walk and all that. Everything got shut down in March,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: as you know, and our son happened to be one
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: of those kids class of twenty twenty, and so we
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: got a couple extra months at home with him before
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: he had to go off to college, but still living
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: in the bubble. Actually wrote this song because I thought
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: it could relate to like watching your kids grow up
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: and then them leaving, as well as it could be
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: like when Layla was taken away from mag None, so
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: it could have multiple meanings. This song, it's basically when
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: you know, one day you wake up and somebody that's
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: always been there isn't there anymore, and like your first Yeah,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: it's like you're so excited and proud of them and
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: happy for them to move on, but at the same
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: time you're like sad. My one grandpa from Ireland always
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: had Irish bars and that this is a whole, fascinating,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: whole other day of stories. But I wanted to have
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: like an Irish folk song that also tied in this theme,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: so it's kind of a dedication to our son moving off.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: And then also Irish folk drinking song, a drinking song
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: so you can deal with all of the changes to college, right,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: This is called Ladi da all. They're gonna leave you
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: one monday. Oh we will come without a Monday, no
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: matter how hard you try. All you can do everside
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: as the beat of time marches on lody love loved
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: day don't matter much today, So let's breathe a glass
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: he is high to this bitter sweet goodbye, and we'll
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: see farewell in the morning. Now, I watched you while
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: you were sleeping, and you smile so big while you
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: would dreaming. You do all that youk but sometimes it's hard.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: You stand by and let you stumble on your way.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Oh lordy, lord lord, ay, don't matter much today, So
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: let's breathe on glass. He is high, but to this
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: bitter sweeking bye and we'll see farewell. Human borne name
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: l a don't matter much A So let's breathe a glass,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: is high to this biting sweet bye, it will see
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: f well. You're gonna not a dumb matter much to day.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: So let's breathe a glass. He is high to this
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: bit of sweet good bye, and we'll see fairwell. Give
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: them bon day. So let's breathe a glass. He is
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: high to this bit of sweet good bye, and we'll
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: see fairwell in the bonday. Beautiful And you know, having
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: a daughter, I'm sure you watch them when they sleep
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and how they smile their dreams, like you can totally
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: picture that, right, like, because they're so stink and cute
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: when they sleep, and they're like little angel babies they are,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: and then they grow up. My oldest is six and
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: she's just got her ears pierced on Sunday. Now she's
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: walk she thinks she's an adult now. Our daughter turned
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: eighteen on this last break and she went and got
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: a tattooed. But it's subtle and it's beautiful and it's great.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: But you're just like, well, here we go. But she's
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: you know, she's crushing it. Amazing kids, we're really lucky. Well,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: thank you guys, thank you guys. We'll get it. We'll
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: get well you know, get on out well. Thank you
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: for having us. Thanks to Susan Tedeski and Derek Trucks
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: for coming on Broken Record to share stories about their
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: journey with Tadeski Trucks and their new project. You can
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: check out a playlist of all of our favorite Tedeski
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Trucks songs at Broken Record podcast dot com. Be sure
• 55:49
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• 55:52
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• 55:55
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• 55:59
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• 56:07
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