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#BrettKeane Calls Atheist Matt Dillahunty · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Well, hi, Brett. Instead of wondering if there's
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  a song I wanted to hear, I was going to sing one.
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  So we wish you a Merry Christmas.
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  We wish you a Merry Christmas. We wish you a Merry Christmas
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  and a Happy New Year. I love you, Brett and hope
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  you're having a beautiful Christmas day.
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  And we're having a ball of fun here today, starting at three.
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  So I just wanted to pop in before I get very busy and tell
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  you, I was thinking about you and your family and just wishing
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  you a merry Christmas and pretty sure, you know, this is
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  vanderhoven but just in case have a blessed day.
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  Brett, you're on. Hey, how you doing?
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  I hope you guys are having a nice Christmas.
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  Thank you. Well, I do have a couple
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  questions if you guys had the time for me.
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  One of the first questions I have is a used to be a former
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  atheist myself. I think some of you might
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  actually remember me being one of the first to come to social
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  media and make videos and all that I spent a great deal of
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  time listening to atheist. I've got a lot of friends who
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  are non-believers and I discovered that on YouTube.
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  A lot of them say I'm happy I'm fine with being an atheist, I
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  don't need God, I don't need the bye.
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  Bible, but when they're in private with people, they say
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  things like, I'm suicidal, I'm unhappy.
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  I have a lot of psychological issues because of abuse or
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  tragedies that have happened in my life and it's really
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  correlated with my concept or belief in a higher power in the
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  universe. And I was wondering, why do you
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  think it is that non-believers act one way on video but in
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  private with people that they trust or respect, they'll say
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  things Like this. Why why?
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  The double face for I've made plenty of arguments.
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  Come atheist do this one way, whatnot.
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  How come? There's a group of people.
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  How come some people do this? I love this categorical.
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  How come AC is, do this one? Whereas this, this why the
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  double face from atheist? Let's keep people in lots of
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  different categories who are not going to go public with their
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  private concerns people's personal mental, health issues
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  and troubles and trials. Of course, that's more likely to
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  be discussed with friends and is with us.
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  I can tell you this, I am not now nor have Have I ever been
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  suicidal? I did not.
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  I was not wronged in any way and I'm happy to answer almost any
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  question about my life, but if you're going to call in and Bo,
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  I used to be an atheist. And why do you think atheists
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  are like this? Well, I want to know why you
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  used to be an atheist, why you're not anymore?
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  And why, when you're asking this question, did you frame this the
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  way Jimmy pointed out that oyu atheist?
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  Do this, you don't think Christians do this.
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  You only Mormons do this? You don't think Jude.
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  I mean, Mormons are probably some of the worst of it because
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  they have a church in urging them to put a good face on
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  things public. Well, the reason why I bring it
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  up, is it something that's been going on for the last 20 years?
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  According to Stats, atheist have quadruple the amount of suicide
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  rate as well as substance abuse over any group out there.
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  Do you think the stats are that atheist?
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  Had they just a massive amount of suicide rate in substance
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  abuse. Oh, okay.
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  He was very, very honest. Now, it took a little while but
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  some of them started admitting because of their parenting,
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  Dishonest fucking ass. Don't you dare sir pretend that
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  they all do the same thing but one of them was honest, go fuck
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  yourself. They were there.
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  Oh is that? That joyous happy attitude
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  there. Matt prove that you call it
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  Honest by personally attacking someone when I've been nothing
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  but respectful I'm just pointing out the facts.
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  If you'd listened was why did you frame it as if the people
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  who fit your narrative we're being honest and the others
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  weren't. Matt we're talking about stats
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  and actual facts. You sound like you're getting
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  very angry. I don't hear the joy in, you
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  fucking disgusting lying. I've muted you.
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  I'm going to erase this one more time.
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  Why would you be talking about? What happened on your show claim
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  that the atheists who talked about their depression or issues
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  or Suicidal Tendencies were the only ones who were honest?
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  Why would you frame it using your now?
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  You're I heard a beep noise. Did you say you finally and
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  muted me? Because I, like I said before, I
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  talk to these people and private, it's a different story.
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  But some of them whenever they get on their cameras, they
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  pretend as though, everything is great and wonderful, but the
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  stats do not show that Because I'm pretty sure this is a
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  universal Human Experience. That when you are around people
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  in public you act one way you put on a front and then when
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  you're in private, you are more inclined to divulge.
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  The personal things are going through, this is universal
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  Across The Human Experience of the not an atheist something,
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  precious learning about social performance and it's blowing his
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  mind. What's not just sad?
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  It's according to Stats, although there are Christians
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  who have committed suicide Do your motivations are to bring
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  in the concept that you will be more miserable after being a
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  non-believer. And that should somehow suggest
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  because there would be a god, bringing you some kind of Joy.
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  If you were a Believer, we all know that that's the implicit
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  fucking argument here and I have Matt brought up Mormonism.
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  I have something to share with you.
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  My days is a Believer. Were my most miserable this the
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  times I was the most suicidal and attempted suicide was my
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  days as a Believer because I say so could not exist at the
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  person. I actually am comfortably within
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  a group of believers who believe many things about my identity.
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  Make me essentially, pathetic, and filthy, and everything else.
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  So it's if you want to engage on the actual argument of even if
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  this stat is true, still would not indicate whether or not God
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  exists or not. And by the way, we would then
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  also get to talk about society's part in all of that because of
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  the non-believer I have been ostracized more than as a queer
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  person. And we know that queer people
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  often have a higher rate of depression and suicidality,
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  because their communities turn on them because they they In
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  from religious, fucking people that ostracization that that
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  you're a piece of shit. So let me answer the question
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  for you Brett. The reason why people in
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  communities become depressed after they lose faith is
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  assholes like you So, it's my fault.
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  Why? The majority of atheist or
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  suicidal and depressed. It sounds like victim.
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  Virtu to me a little bit there. You're blaming other people for
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  your own issues. And some of them are going to
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  talk about it. And the reason is because there
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  are different social boundaries with which people are
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  comfortable with and, and atheists as a maligned minority,
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  we don't have the support networks installed in place.
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  We don't have the mountain of privilege that religions have we
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  don't have any of that. And so at this time of year,
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  when people are going to visit their families because that's
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  what people do frequently around Christmas.
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  If you're the only atheist there and everybody else is talking
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  about Jesus. Is a church that injuries is
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  this in church that and talking about political views and things
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  that set these people aside in a different bucket, of course,
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  you're going to be in the tread depressed because or sad, or
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  upset because you are part of the minority.
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  Now, let's go back to the actual issue here and see, there are
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  studies that address happiness, and with regard to theism or
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  atheism. Those things have nothing to do
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  with whether or not a God exists.
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  And I'd like to ask you Brett, what convinced you that a God
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  exists? Well there I will go into that
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  with you but I do also want to point out that according to
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  Stats, according to Stats, theist have happier longer
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  lives. You will answer my question now
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  because we have honestly, addressed your question several
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  times or I will drop you from this call and not engage with
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  you any further. I'm unmuting you now.
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  Okay, so what's your question? Go fuck yourself.
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  Bret. If you're not gonna listen to my
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  one question, why should I talk to you at all?
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  Well, it's difficult with the beep.
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  Noise is going on here. I didn't quite hear it.
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  You said something about unmuting?
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  You fucking liar. There was no beating so nice.
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  When the wasn't that a god existed, you lying piece of shit
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  because it is more rational and logical to believe.
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  There's more to the universe than just simply stating it all
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  poofed into existence from nothingness.
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  That's not an answer to my question.
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  That's my answer. I'm telling you why.
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  I think it's a more rational logical position.
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  Christian's. You want easy Christians to
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  debate? I understand.
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  I don't want easy Christians, I want honest Christians.
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  I'm the one of the two of us that have been engaged in more
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  fucking debates than you would ever hope to imagine to and I
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  have debated the most dishonest motherfuckers on a planet and I
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  have debated. Some of the most wonderful
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  honest people on the planet. And when I asked one of those
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  honest people what convincing that a God exists, they don't
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  spit some fucking problem about how it's more.
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  Rational, of course you think it's more rational that was a
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  fucking Given I wanted the actual evidence or argument, but
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  you can't have that honest conversation and in response to
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  it, you decide to shit on all the other Christians and pretend
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  that they're less honest than you.
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  I didn't say anything like that. Let everybody else do we do now.
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  Well, I play chess. All right.
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  Can I ask another question? A more sciency thing than
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  psychological? We're not well.
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  He said he was going to go play chess.
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  I didn't know he was still there. why you believe in God
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  and you said, because Is more to the universe than it just pooped
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  into existence, when you're not an explanation for God, because
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  I think everybody here thinks that there's more of an
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  explanation than fucking magic, which is what pooped into
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  existence mean. So you haven't even given your a
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  theist we're atheists. And you gave your reasoning
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  being a claim that for I think all four of us also claim.
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  We think that it's more than just pooped into the universe
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  because we went say something. So, radically stupid to describe
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  the Big Bang. Well, one of the one of the
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  reasons one of the, well I'm trying to answer your question.
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  One of the positions that atheist hold is that they go
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  along with science and a pop. Nope.
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  Nope, nope. What's the problem?
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  I'm trying to answer your question.
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  You believe in God does not begin with one of the positions
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  which atheists holds your answer to.
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  I wiii do. I believe in God, begins with, I
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  believe in God. Because would you like to engage
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  with it honestly? Brett sure, sure, sure.
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  And I get that you want to put people on a corner and all that.
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  You don't want to allow explanation.
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  I believe in God. Because the universe has a
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  supernatural origin demonstrate that.
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  Well, if you believe in the Big Bang, then you have to believe
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  some prime mover or no as my answer.
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  Oh, I see. So it's not Supernatural.
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  The universe, didn't The beginning, I said
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  demonstrate it. An example of a sentence, which
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  might do that would be the universe, has a supernatural
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  beginning because and then the answer would follow.
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  Okay, the answer is Brett Lee answer is around again, okay?
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  All right, so as I was saying, the answer is because space and
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  time and matter came into existence Supernatural, is
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  defined by something that exists outside of nature.
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  That's the very classic definition of it.
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  So the Big Bang is Supernatural by origin.
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  No. No, you are incorrect.
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  That nature came the nature, which we interact with sure, but
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  what you are describing, if what you are, describing was true,
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  why does no physicist? Follow that same line of
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  reasoning? Well most of the stuff believe
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  in the Big Bang that it actually happened that space time and
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  matter came into existence. If we buy a natural pay, and by
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  the way breath, I'm not even telling you that it didn't
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  happen by Supernatural means. Well, of course not, no
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  demonstration of whether or not the big bang happened by natural
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  or Supernatural that said, natural.
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  Things have been demonstrated billions of times over
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  Supernatural things have been demonstrated to even be possible
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  a whopping zero times. So the rational person, as you
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  like to talk about, rational Analogy goes.
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  Hmm, which one of those? Am I going to line up with a
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  supernatural explanation with its zero demonstrations of ever
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  occurring, or the natural the potential for a natural
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  explanation? Which one am I going to presume
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  though? With the ability to be
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  incorrect? But it's probably more likely to
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  be the category under which the Big Bang follows.
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  Well, the Well, it is rational and logical.
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  If you believe in the Big Bang then you believe in the
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  Supernatural origin. Here it is. 50 pronouns, where
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  you wanted to identify as the sexiest man alive.
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  So I already knew it was going to be a stupid call in the first
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  place. But does anyone want to ask Brad
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  before we go? The only thing I have to add it
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  that a study to examine the risk of suicide, amongst people with
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  different religious affiliations, and the most
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  at-risk group differs based on age range is seems to be a
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  significant factor. Are there was also factors like
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  social class, academic qualifications of marital.
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  Statuses seem to have far more significant impact then religion
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  did. So this whole staff stay sounds
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  like you found one study that might have suggested that which
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  in no way suggests that the cause of the suicidality is
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  atheism, much in the same way that's the cause of suicidality
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  and trans people as was pointed out earlier, it's not trans
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  people transness, it's often the society and Nicole.
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  In the environment that they're in, I don't think you've
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  demonstrated in any capacity that atheism is the cause of
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  suicidality. And the data do not support your
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  conclusion though. Get fucked Brett.
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  Well, the information can be found on Richard.
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  Dawkins website, aren't you guys buddies with them?
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  You might want to ask him. He talks about it.
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  What you guys don't like Richard Dawkins anymore.
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  See you later. See you later.