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INTERVIEW: Mario Carbone Talks Carbone Beach, Major Food Group, Authenticity, Expanding Into New Cuisines + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day waiting to go up the breakfast club.
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  Speaker 2: You don't finish for y'all done.
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  Speaker 1: Morning.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy we
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  Speaker 3: are the breakfast club. La La Rosa is here as well,
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  Speaker 3: and we got a special guest in the building.
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  Speaker 2: He's back, ladies, gentlemen, Mario Carbone.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome morning morning.
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  Speaker 3: How are you feeling, brother?
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  Speaker 1: Great? How are you good? Good?
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  Speaker 2: Good?
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  Speaker 3: So just name some of the restaurants you have. I
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  Speaker 3: can't keep up anymore. Just name some of the some of.
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  Speaker 1: Them, Carbone, TERESI the Grill, Lobster Club, Zzi's Member Club, Palm.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, those are the ones that you have multiples of.
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  Speaker 1: We got a new Mexican place called Chateau. We just
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  Speaker 1: opened a place in Cartagena, and all the Grand Grill.
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  Speaker 3: When does Mario Cobone start doing Mexican food.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I have a love for that cuisine,
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  Speaker 1: and it's actually a really complex cuisine. It's really interesting
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  Speaker 1: when you get into like the cookbooks of going all
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  Speaker 1: the way back to the Aztecs. But I thought I
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  Speaker 1: could take sort of the idea of Carbone and apply
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  Speaker 1: it to Mexican food and try to get a similar
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  Speaker 1: result and do sort of this fun, fine dieting Mexican restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: And we had an amazing space that and there's no
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  Speaker 1: Mexican food in Miami, so we did in the Miami.
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  Speaker 2: I went to the Losto Club the other night a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, you know, I was. I was
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  Speaker 2: there with a Cheryl McKissick, Cheryl mckissey Daniel. That food
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  Speaker 2: was incredible and I didn't know you haven't anything to
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  Speaker 2: do with until somebody said it. Like one of the
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  Speaker 2: waiters was like, you know, this is one of Mario
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  Speaker 2: Carbone spots.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, really yeah, because we were upstairs at
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  Speaker 1: the grill in the pool, so that we run that
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  Speaker 1: whole building, all the food and beverage there. So we
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  Speaker 1: did Japanese restaurant downstairs.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: You know people always lost the pasta boy man, they said, possible.
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  Speaker 3: What you know, people always talk about how difficult the
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  Speaker 3: restaurant industry is, but for you, it doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 3: it's it's a problem. So what differs you from all
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  Speaker 3: these other people that do it? Because a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people are not successful. You see restaurants come go and
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  Speaker 3: with you you're still rock and rolling.
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  Speaker 1: It's difficult for us too. I mean, it's a really
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  Speaker 1: hard industry. There's there's no doubt about that, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe what separates us is the product. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, I think we put out a great product.
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  Speaker 1: We care a lot about it. We put a lot
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  Speaker 1: of time and attention into it. We spend a huge
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  Speaker 1: amount of time on the details of these things. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the way we build them, the stories that we're telling.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's not something that you can you
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  Speaker 1: can you can replicate from ordering on your couch, Like
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  Speaker 1: that thing that we give you has nothing to do
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  Speaker 1: with the food being delivered to you. So we don't
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  Speaker 1: compete in that space, like you have to come to
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  Speaker 1: us for an experience. It's a night out, it's theater,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that that's where we don't we don't
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  Speaker 1: have to deal with the competition of I don't feel
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  Speaker 1: like going out to that. I'm just going to order.
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  Speaker 1: You can't just order my experience.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good point, right cause Carbone to me feels
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  Speaker 2: like it's selling nostalgia and luxury at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: Are you preserving like Italian American culture are reinventing it?
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  Speaker 2: For a new audience.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I think of Carbone as a functioning museum, like
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  Speaker 1: we we're you know, with every passing generation of Italian Americans,
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  Speaker 1: you become one less generation removed from Italy, right, so
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  Speaker 1: you become further assimilated into just being Americans, which is
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  Speaker 1: the thesis. That's the point. But for Carbone to kind
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  Speaker 1: of leave something in a very specific period, which for
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  Speaker 1: us is mid century, late nineteen fifties Italian American, which
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  Speaker 1: is that it's that first generation of Italian Americans that
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  Speaker 1: were born in the US. Their parents were probably Italians.
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  Speaker 1: They speak English first, It's Michael, not Veto, right Corleon.
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  Speaker 1: Michael struggles speaking Italian, but he's an American, his dad's
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  Speaker 1: born there. That's the generation that Carbone is. We're Italian American.
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  Speaker 1: And to be obsessive about the details, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm if I'm if I'm so obsessive about the details,
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  Speaker 1: I'm What I'm actually leaving behind is this functioning museum
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  Speaker 1: for two hundred people a night to go to and
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  Speaker 1: see what nineteen fifty eight Thompson Street Italian American was like. Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's my kind of gift to the culture.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because some people will say
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  Speaker 2: I've heard people say Carbone represents the gentrification of Italian food.
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  Speaker 2: Do you do you do you think great food should
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  Speaker 2: be exclusive or accessible? You think.
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  Speaker 1: Exclusivity is a product of scarcity, Right, So if you've
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  Speaker 1: if you've built something that more people want than you have,
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  Speaker 1: you have something that's by nature exclusive. So it all
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  Speaker 1: really just goes back to the product, like how good
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  Speaker 1: is your product? Like, and if your product is great
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  Speaker 1: or exceptional, well then you're probably gonna wind up with
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  Speaker 1: a scarcity model where there's a lot of demand for
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  Speaker 1: it and you don't have a lot to give to it.
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  Speaker 1: So now it looks like it's exclusive or it looks
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  Speaker 1: like I've I've manipulated exclusivity when it's just really a
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  Speaker 1: product of we do a damn good job, you know, Like,
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  Speaker 1: and that's just kind of what it is. I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't create this this this exclusivity where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh it's hard to get into. It's hard
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  Speaker 1: to get into because I only had eighty seats. Like
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  Speaker 1: that's just what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Do you get any flack for, like, you know, you said,
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  Speaker 3: you step into Asian cuisine, you step it into the
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  Speaker 3: Mexican cuisine. A husband's Mexican.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, so black and Mexican.
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  Speaker 3: But do you get a more flag for stepping outside
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  Speaker 3: of the quote unquote Italian genre.
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  Speaker 1: Not when you do it with respect. I think you
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  Speaker 1: do it with respect. You you go in, you learn,
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  Speaker 1: you you put great care into it. It's not it's
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  Speaker 1: not a concept, it's real. We study it. We try
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  Speaker 1: to put it out in a really you know, beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: respectful way. And I think that if we do that
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  Speaker 1: and use use the talent of my team, my team
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  Speaker 1: can make anything, you know, like, here's the task we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna make, here's the story. Usually I tell them a story,
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  Speaker 1: here's the story of what we're gonna build here, and
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  Speaker 1: start to build the narrative around that. And then as
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  Speaker 1: soon as you know, as soon as you have a story,
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  Speaker 1: then you can say, Okay, well that doesn't fit the
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  Speaker 1: story it makes that doesn't make sense, Let's let's keep
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  Speaker 1: it back here. And that's how we kind of build
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  Speaker 1: these things.
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  Speaker 4: Are you you say your team, but are you also
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  Speaker 4: hiring people that are authentic to the space as well too,
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  Speaker 4: like really great Mexican chef? So like does that change
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  Speaker 4: when you open up the different restaurants.
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  Speaker 1: It's not something that I'm seeking out. I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't need it, right, I don't need to. Like if
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying I'm gonna go open a Mexican restaurant, the
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  Speaker 1: next task isn't okay, go find a great Mexican chef.
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  Speaker 1: The next task is meet with my core chef team.
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  Speaker 1: Go get all the cookbooks we think we need, Go
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  Speaker 1: do all the research we think we need to do.
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  Speaker 1: Start putting pen to paper, and then from pen to
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  Speaker 1: paper it's you know, pan to fire. Okay, let's start
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  Speaker 1: cooking these things. Then let's be really honest with each other.
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  Speaker 1: Is that good? Is that good enough? And start to
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  Speaker 1: chip away at the process. It takes a really long
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  Speaker 1: time to build these things.
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  Speaker 2: Why why like why Mexican like you going to the
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  Speaker 2: market on Italian?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I thought that we could do it really well.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's one particular restaurant in Mexico City that I love.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was unique to how they did it,
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  Speaker 1: and I hadn't seen anything else in the market like that.
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  Speaker 1: A space in Miami became available that was a great space.
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  Speaker 1: But I had already opened my core restaurants there, but
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to pass up on the space. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to take the space. I didn't know what to
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  Speaker 1: put put in it. And I keep notes on these
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  Speaker 1: things of like, you know, potential ideas, potential projects, and
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  Speaker 1: there was nothing like it, certainly in Miami, but I
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  Speaker 1: really don't think there's anything like it in the country
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  Speaker 1: outside of Mexico City. So I wanted to take a
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  Speaker 1: shot at it. And you know, swing for defences.
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  Speaker 3: How often do you go outside and try at the
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  Speaker 3: restaurants to try other foods so you don't go because
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  Speaker 3: they see you coming, Like, oh, you know, how often
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  Speaker 3: do you do that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, when I get excited about something new, that when
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  Speaker 1: I'm traveling a lot, if I'm going to a new city,
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  Speaker 1: then like I've got a big list of places I
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  Speaker 1: want to go to. I want to go to all
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  Speaker 1: the classics of that city and anything new that's happening
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  Speaker 1: that's interesting. You know, with New York a city that
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty comfortable with, right like I know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Then it's really a matter of Okay, what's new and
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  Speaker 1: really making making waves, what's exciting, who's doing who's doing
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  Speaker 1: something interesting? Uh, definitely going to go I need you
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  Speaker 1: need to go. You need to know what's going on
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  Speaker 1: and you know the landscape and like meet people, get
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  Speaker 1: out there, what are the what are the young restauranteurs doing?
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  Speaker 1: Like that's that's really important.
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  Speaker 3: Is anything overdone to you? Like I look at I
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  Speaker 3: was watching the commercial macapering, but I was watching IHP
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  Speaker 3: commercial and I hop has oxtail omelets hell I swear,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like this.
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  Speaker 5: I thought that was fake.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, it's real. I'm like maybe I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm like, this is getting ridiculous. It's like I'm
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  Speaker 3: seeing oxtail on everything. It's like things getting overdone at times.
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  Speaker 1: I think you can use that that analogy for just
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  Speaker 1: about every art, right, I mean, when something when something's
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  Speaker 1: super popular and it's in the hands of the experts
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  Speaker 1: or the creators, it's amazing. But there's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a waterfall to that concept in all art that's going
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  Speaker 1: to trickle down into just eventually not cool passe like
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  Speaker 1: these they don't even really understand the origin of where
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  Speaker 1: it came from, like it's being misused. But you can
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  Speaker 1: that food food. You could use that for any any
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  Speaker 1: walk of art where you're going to see something that's amazing,
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  Speaker 1: and then in not so long a time it's going
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  Speaker 1: to water down to something that's not great at all.
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  Speaker 2: You know earlier you was talking about but just having
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  Speaker 2: eighty seats in your restaurants. Everybody knows it's hard to
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  Speaker 2: get a reservation in one of your spots. How do
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  Speaker 2: you make sure the hype never outweighs the actual food the.
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  Speaker 1: Product by not letting the fact that the outcome of
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  Speaker 1: whether it's going to be busy tonight affect how we
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  Speaker 1: go about making it. It's going to be busy tonight, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's not take for granted the fact that they're coming
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  Speaker 1: and just rest on our laurels. Because we got here
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  Speaker 1: from putting out something great. No one knew us at
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  Speaker 1: some point, no one knew us. So how did we
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  Speaker 1: get busy? We got busy by doing a great job
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  Speaker 1: at what we do, making great food, taking care of people,
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  Speaker 1: being hospitable, taking care of our regulars, making sure they
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  Speaker 1: can get back all the things that got us here. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the only way the empire falls is if we start
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  Speaker 1: to believe in the fact that they're just going to
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  Speaker 1: come automatically.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, you know what I notice, well, you have a
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  Speaker 3: nervous with putting your source in a job use you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you what because I am Pause the
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  Speaker 3: BJ's king, right, That's what I do.
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  Speaker 2: All my shop. I do my shop.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, I do my shopping at BJ's. And one of
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  Speaker 3: the one of my happy moments is when I get
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  Speaker 3: your products of BJ's right.
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  Speaker 2: Pause.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason is is you get so many of them,
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  Speaker 3: you get to try it and I can make my
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  Speaker 3: own spicy rigatoni at the crib? Does that make you
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  Speaker 3: nervous because you're putting your sauce in the jar and
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  Speaker 3: giving people an ability to ability to This sounds crazy
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  Speaker 3: to use your sauce without go and see your restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: What What what made me nervous in the beginning was
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  Speaker 1: could we make something that was on par with what
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  Speaker 1: we do with the restaurants. It wasn't that I was
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  Speaker 1: I was selling, you know, nine dollars jars of tomato sauce,
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  Speaker 1: and how is that going to affect the brand restaurant brand?
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't really worried about that. My fear was in
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  Speaker 1: in bulk and mass. When we're making this thing in
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  Speaker 1: a giant factory, can we actually make something that's just
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  Speaker 1: as good as the one we make on Thompson Street.
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  Speaker 1: That was the challenge, That was the thing that kept
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  Speaker 1: me up. But it wasn't a dilution of the brand.
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  Speaker 1: That never really worried me.
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  Speaker 2: At what point does expansion risk diluting what made it?
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  Speaker 1: Especially when you lose sight of why you're popular enough
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  Speaker 1: to expand, why is your brand demand it all? It
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  Speaker 1: is all going to go back to the It is
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  Speaker 1: always going to go back to the product the second
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  Speaker 1: it's not good enough anymore, or someone's putting in a
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  Speaker 1: greater effort, or your time is up. However that is
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  Speaker 1: seen like, then expansion becomes a reach.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with that because the scariest part is once
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  Speaker 2: you have the mass audience and then people start coming
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, ah, this is over hyped. So you've
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  Speaker 2: got to keep the product top tier at all times.
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  Speaker 1: The decisions you're making, that's how you expand. What did
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  Speaker 1: you choose to expand into? Does that make sense? I'm
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  Speaker 1: a fan of your product. Does that make sense that
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  Speaker 1: expansion you just did? Is is it in line with
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  Speaker 1: your brand ethos? Because I know your brand, I'm a fan.
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  Speaker 1: I know the brand that was a weird move you
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  Speaker 1: did there, like, oh that city, that's odd, that's a
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  Speaker 1: cash grab, Like that's what are you doing here? Those
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  Speaker 1: sort of things that we have conversations about that. That's
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  Speaker 1: where you know expansion can also you know, trip you up.
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  Speaker 4: I saw the collaboration you do with Seth Brogan. So
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  Speaker 4: is it actually THHC inside of any of the sauces
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  Speaker 4: that you're going are making? Okay, because it was it
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  Speaker 4: was a four to twenty release name leaned on it,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, so is this a like a week
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  Speaker 4: that is.
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  Speaker 1: Seth's brand obviously all things, yeah, twenty. But the pottery
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  Speaker 1: company is where the collaboration came in. So he was
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  Speaker 1: making Italian pottery. Go, So we did a pottery collaboration
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  Speaker 1: with the sauce that kind of got branded with Seth's brand,
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  Speaker 1: but the content of the jars is the same. It
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  Speaker 1: was really just a collaboration with the Italian pottery that
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  Speaker 1: he was making.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I thought, do you have anything? THC confused?
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  Speaker 1: No, No, that's not my game.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, No, I got But I do want to ask
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  Speaker 6: you this is not at all related to food.
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  Speaker 2: You have a pinky ring.
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  Speaker 6: Frank Sinatra Quincy Jones Frank Pinky ring that you went
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  Speaker 6: to extreme heights to get.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about twelve of these in the world. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many are still in existence. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure if Quincy's buried with his, but Missus Sinatra,
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  Speaker 1: it's a bit of a long story, but he's worn
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  Speaker 1: this ring. He wore this ring his whole life. This
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  Speaker 1: is the Sinatra family crest. And at some point he
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  Speaker 1: had broken his pinky the story that I was told
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  Speaker 1: he broke his pinky finger in a fight scene in
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  Speaker 1: a movie and the ring didn't fit anymore, so he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to remake it because the knuckle had gotten messed up.
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  Speaker 1: So he wanted to remake it. And it was at
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  Speaker 1: the point in his life where his kids were getting older,
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  Speaker 1: and he decided, I'm gonna actually, instead of making one,
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna make twelve, and I'm gonna give him
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  Speaker 1: to the closest people in my life. So the kids
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  Speaker 1: all got one. Quincy Jones got one, and then this
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  Speaker 1: one actually went to Tony Bennett. So Tony Bannett got
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  Speaker 1: one because they were friends, but also because Tony opened
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  Speaker 1: the Frank Sinatra School of the Arts in the Bronx,
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  Speaker 1: and that was something that the Sinatra family was very
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  Speaker 1: moved by. So he got a ring. And then when
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  Speaker 1: Tony passed away, there was an auction of his life's
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  Speaker 1: possessions and in the auction was this ring.
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  Speaker 5: How much did you pay for that ring?
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  Speaker 2: Mario?
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  Speaker 5: I paid that much, Tomato sauce, and I.
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  Speaker 1: Put my hand up when the auction started, and I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't going to put it down until it was over. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: I would have paid I mean I paid a good
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  Speaker 1: amount of money for it, but I would have paid
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  Speaker 1: a lot more for it. Oh Wow, to me, it's
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  Speaker 1: a holy girl.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Does anybody in this family approached you about that?
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  Speaker 1: Like, I'm friends with the family, and his daughter, Tina
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  Speaker 1: and I are pretty close, and she's she's pretty happy
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  Speaker 1: that that it's in good hands and that you know,
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: she has hers on. I still have mine on.
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  Speaker 5: And that's what's that.
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  Speaker 3: Man, Do you ever get worried about not being the
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  Speaker 3: popular person?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Because you have so many people, so many celebrities that
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: call every night to come to one of your restaurants, right,
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: But of course you can't help everybody. So do you
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: ever get to a point where celebrity says, you know what,
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: Mario f you or you know things like that. Does
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: that ever happen?
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: No?
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I think by and large, they're pretty understanding because it's
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: it's yes so often we do our best to say
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: yes so often that in the rare instance that it
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: is a no, I feel like they get it. People
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: understand it's a business. And like I heard yes eight
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: out of ten times, Like okay, tonight, it was last minute,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: it was Saturday, and like I just couldn't. I couldn't
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: make it happen and just be honest with people.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: What's the most difficult restaurant to get a reservation.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: For right now? It's probably teres Terse Yeah, Teresa's on
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Mulberry Street. Teresa was actually our original restaurant. Our first
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: restaurant was Teresi. It was a six table restaurant about
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: four or five hundred square feet on Mulberry and Prints,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: and then we moved it a couple of years ago
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: up the block to a much bigger location on the
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: same street, in the Puck Building. And that is probably
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: the most difficult restaurant in the company to get in to.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm beIN here.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: I didn't know that this was your restaurant.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, wow, cool it was the food
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: was amazing. Yeah there, like a year ago. I was
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: there with my friend. Mind your business.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: When it comes to celebrities, right and influences, does that
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: help the experience or discraped from what the restaurant is
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: supposed to be about when you got a restaurant full
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: of celebrities, And.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: I think it, I mean, I think overall it helps.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: I think I think it adds a certain you know,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: energy to the room. When it's when a big celebrity
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: is there. It's flattering because you know, a big celebrity
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: can call anybody and get in anywhere. So they've chosen
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: us tonight. So that's nice. That's that's that's a nice compliment.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: And we try not to. We talk a lot internally
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: the team about, you know, not treating them differently. They're
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: not here to be treated differently. They just want to
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: be amongst the group and making sure that we protect
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: their privacy. Of course, I think those are the reasons
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: why celebrities are comfortable in our restaurants.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Who speaking of celebrities, who was this person that Fat
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Joe name dropped that got him before Lebron.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: And Gabiano, But that was Gabiano. That wasn't my place. No, no, no,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: this is this is back when when Bron played And
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I mean this, the story is outrageous. Bron playing in
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Miami waiting for a table seems crazy.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: That's what you've been saying.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: That seems crazy. But that was that Gabiano because he
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: was with me when he told the story.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I think that's why you think you got you got,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you got?
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: How do y'all balance so well?
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: Like not leaning so much into like influencers and having
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: like people come and making them, not making them talk
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: about your restaurant? But like you know, there's like popular
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: restaurants in New York that, like you can tell, there's
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: like a budget of marketing. You see the TikTokers everyone there.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Y'all just naturally create this lifestyle, right, And I know
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: you said storytelling, But what's the strategy behind making that
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: look so effortless?
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can put a strategy to that.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I think I think you know not to be boring,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: but I think it always still goes back to is
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: the thing you made in demand? Because it answers all
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: It answers so many problems, right, Like and I understand
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: why restaurants need to hire influencers and things like that
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: for marketing. It makes perfect sense why they're moving the
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: needle much more so than a food critic today. Right,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: someone with a huge following is going to fill seats
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: before any restaurant critic these days. Right. And I get
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: that if it's organic, it's organic, thankfully. You know, we've
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: never really needed that. And I think it goes back
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: to the thing that we make is in you know,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: there's millions of people in New York City. I got
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: eighty seats. You make something great like you're not going
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: to really need help. And I think it goes back
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: to make something great, make something that people want.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: It has been like that from day one with you
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: in your restaurant.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: No, I mean I think there there's like I said
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: there was, there's always a day where no one knows you.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: There's always a day with one build There's always a
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: day one. The build up is is the outcome is
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: out of your hands. All that you can control is
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the product. I can't control how people are going to
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: react to it. I have no say in that. I
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: have no say in the popularity of this thing. What
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I have in my control is how good is this thing?
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: That's all I can control.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: As long as I've been going out to restaurants, it's
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: always been packed. I need a reservation, it's hard to
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: get in. You got to make a phone call. It's
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: always been packed, or they put you on a two
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: three month wait list. It's always been like that.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Are you more of a chef now or a business man?
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I try to tow the line. Certainly. I spend when
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I'm when I am a chef, when I am putting
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the uniform on, and when I am cooking. It's less
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: in the individual restaurants, and it's more cooking with like
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: a test kitchen team, where we're where we're creating something
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: that we're going to send out to people. Right, So
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to affect with the small amount of time
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I have to cook. I'm trying to affect the product
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and the people as much as possible. And I actually
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: do that by not cooking in their restaurants. Don't step
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: on the toes of the guys and girls that are
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: running those kitchens because they're doing a great job, and
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: they don't They don't really want me in their kitchen.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: So I'm in I'm in basically a lab with my
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: team working on what's the next, whether it's the next
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: season or the next restaurant, the next concept, what's next
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and then create that and then help get the information
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: to people.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Should should chef the businessman? Chef two businessman? Be like
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: the natural evolution of success in your industry.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: It depends on how you define success. I think you
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: know what's what's success to you? I think it's a
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: beautiful thing. If success to a chef is I opened
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a restaurant, It's it's great. I'm going to be the
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: head chef of this thing from the beginning to the end,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and that's my legacy. I think that's a beautiful thing.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to always be this big entrepreneurial,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: you know spirit like I opened it. It's great, it's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: my namesake or what have you. And I'm very proud
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: of what I make and I'm I'm going to be
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the chef here every single night. That's a beautiful thing.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: So so what's the next next disruption?
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Because Carbone changed up? Will look at Italian dining? What
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: you what you about to change next?
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I think we're what we talk about now is what
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: are the other categories, like we were saying, with growth,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: does that growth make sense if you're a fan of
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the brand. So what's what makes sense for us to
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: disrupt to go after And it's it's it's the other
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: areas of hospitality, it's it's our own hotels, it's our
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: own you know, branded branded residential and real estate, community building,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: real estate building, consumer package goods. I don't think that
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: their reaches for us. I think that they make perfect
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: sense for what we do day to day. Take taking
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: care of someone for two hours or taking care of
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: someone at a hotel for twenty four hours is not
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: is actually not that big of a reach.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: People want to be put on a wait list for
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: four months?
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And what's ota?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Yes spicy now the right they did?
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Oh wow out raba carbone crushed red pepper. I'm so
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: you can get in a djsp What made you realize
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: simple food could be premium like this?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Well, we knew that we could only touch so many
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: people with the restaurants, but the brand was becoming you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: big and outsized for the amount of seats we had
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: or the amount of seats we're ever going to have.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: So there's again scarcity model Okay, there's a demand across
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the country for the product, but you're never going to
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: get to all these cities, so how do I touch them?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Is there something we can do? And we thought, you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: a premium sauce would be a way that a customer
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: could interface with the brand in a city that in
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: all likelihood we're never going to make it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Tom It a zzy club, it's a membership owning. How
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: do people get membership for that space?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: At this point, really it's it's you know, being recommended
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: by someone that's a member, you know, being friends with
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: with somebody that's inside the building or in the company.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: But we try to keep it because we don't necessarily
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: need any more members. And with a membership model, you
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: want to be careful not to have not to be
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: over subscribed because the last thing you want to be
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: as a member is waiting in line for something, right,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you paid to not wait in line. So it's a
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: very fine balance there, as opposed to a restaurant that's packed.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: You came in all right, your reservation's fifteen minutes late,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: but the place is bumping. You don't care. You get
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a drink at the bar. At a members club that's
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: not acceptable, right, So like finding that balance. So at
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: this point we're not taking a huge amount more members
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: so it's really coming through word of mouth recommendation. Hey,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I've got a friend so and so what.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Is the membership price for people? Well, it doesn't matter
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: because they can't get a membership anyway.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's my last question. And it's kind of
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: like about all of that.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: When I think of Italian American food, I think like
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: working class communities, right, Like, how do you honor that
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: history would still operate at this high, high end level.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Use I use the older generation as a barometer. I think,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: if they're still comfortable in there, my parents are still comfortable.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: You know, we get multiple generations of the same family
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: coming sometimes in the same night, at different tables. You
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: get grandparents and et cetera. And I think that that's
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: part of the beauty of it is that it's not
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: just one age group that that is popular for the brand.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: So I try to use them as the barometer. Are
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: they still happy here? Are they still comfortable here?
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: But your parents got money?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Sure? We no? I mean they don't pay the bill, of.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Course, That's what I mean, you know, I mean, I'm
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: going to like working class Italian families who may want
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to go experience this.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I think that this is the this. I'd like to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: believe that this is the ideal, idealic version of the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Italian American restaurant that they all have already in their neighborhood,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and they're just coming to the one that is now
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: sort of the torch bearer for the culture, and they
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: want to experience it at what I would hope to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: believe is the ad a tise level.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: There you have it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: We appreciate you for joining us this morning. So they
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: bringing some food this morning is where.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: We can.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Because I'll be cooking and those be helping me went
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: to Italy recently, and he loves past.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: That's the closest I can get.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Well, that the same boyfriend who took you to the
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: God, how was that with a girl with a friend.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she had a different diet.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: That's what it was, Mimi, Oh, fifth year of Carbone Beach.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's an event that's in line with the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Formula one which is next week and Formula one Miami
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: May first through third, and it's basically an old school
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: supper club. Right. It's dinner and a show the way
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: kind of you know the O Copa would have been.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: It's like five or six hundred people on a tent
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: in the beach in Miami, right on the sand.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: And you know, we always have a big performer every night,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: always changes, and it's just kind of a big elaborate
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: dinner supper club. It's fun, it's sexy, people dress up.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: It's it's a real night out. It's it's it's a
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: beautiful thing. What is that next weekend? Yeah?
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: Yes, I'm actually in Florida next the whole weekend, so
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: I need to seek it's going to be quiet. So yes,
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: may first timmer Fort Lauderville, Florida, which is right down
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: the street from Miami. And that's the three that's the
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: whole three day thing you got. I'm trying to come.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: Mario and my husband want to be right there on
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: the beach and the fans.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Only celebrities nice. So, like I said, so I want
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to come. That's okay with you?
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. My publicist here is gonna be in
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: contact with you.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, good well, thank you.
• 26:36
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