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Ep. 59 : 2024 Bowman Chrome Release · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode fifty nine of Cards
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  Speaker 1: and Categories. I'm Mike Coolard, joined as always by my
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  Speaker 1: very good friend and fellow Peven Smith enthusiast Jeremy Brewer,
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  Speaker 1: also from Rasball.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing tonight, buddy, I'm doing well. I'm
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  Speaker 2: a little exhausted enough for my victory lap on Peven
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  Speaker 2: Smith this weekend, but I'm gonna I'm gonna make a
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  Speaker 2: good recovery. There's only three weeks the season left to believe,
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  Speaker 2: twenty days exactly at this point of our recording, so
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  Speaker 2: I got a little time to recover from my victory lap.
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  Speaker 2: It was a very short one, just around the bases
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  Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty feet, but I'm out of shape,
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  Speaker 2: so hey, hello, great to be here.
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  Speaker 1: It was a deserved victory lap compared I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: actually believed in Peyton Peven Smith in the skill set.
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  Speaker 1: I just said, like, hey, this dude's playing right field
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  Speaker 1: against right handed pitchers, and yeah, they face five ridis
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  Speaker 1: this week.
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  Speaker 2: Way to go Peven Smith. Way to go Peven Smith.
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  Speaker 2: Way to ruin the deep sleeper fantasy call for next year.
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  Speaker 2: But I'll still take my victory left now excellent.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we've got a big rundown with that, though. You
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  Speaker 1: want to like, what do you think we're doing with
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  Speaker 1: Justin Verlander going forward? Do you think the Astros are
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  Speaker 1: playing him down the stretch and actually letting him pitch
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs or is he toast? Because it looked
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  Speaker 1: that way Sunday night against Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're I think they're letting them play down
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  Speaker 2: the stretch to figure out if they want to use
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  Speaker 2: them beyond the stretch. Because if it's Verlander, if it's
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  Speaker 2: like vintage Verlander or something close to it, you are thrilled,
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  Speaker 2: you are excited, you want to use it, but you
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  Speaker 2: got to figure out if that's what she got. And
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  Speaker 2: to your point, he didn't look good. It wasn't exciting
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  Speaker 2: to say the least. So I have to think it's
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking like your Verlander's, your Suresers, your the Grams,
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  Speaker 2: like all those guys just seem to be like I
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  Speaker 2: would say, peaking at the right wrong time. Peak has
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  Speaker 2: a cliff at the end of it. They are falling
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  Speaker 2: off all kind of at the end of their careers here,
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  Speaker 2: and I do think Verlander's gonna be in a dicey
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  Speaker 2: dicey spot. I mean, his velocity was pretty strong for
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  Speaker 2: where he'd been, But beyond that, that's about all we
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  Speaker 2: can can say for Verlander with that start there against Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: So how about you? Are you are you investing in
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  Speaker 2: Verlander here or are you sitting on the sidelines?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, certainly not investing. But this has also been fun
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  Speaker 1: because today, I think literally today fangrasts rolled out in
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  Speaker 1: the game blogs. You can mess around with the pitching
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  Speaker 1: bot and stuff plus metrics and sure enough it actually
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  Speaker 1: it works so that justin Verlander, I'm looking at these
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  Speaker 1: past few starts and the stuff plus has been fine,
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  Speaker 1: and in fact, against Arizona, the overall stuff plus on
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  Speaker 1: arsenal was rated as a one to twenty three. It's
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  Speaker 1: the location that's been suffering. And I think you can
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  Speaker 1: see this in terms of what took him so long
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  Speaker 1: to get back from that neck injury and he's just
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  Speaker 1: been dealing with back and shoulder issues that I think
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  Speaker 1: that that's still lingering and messing with his ability to
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  Speaker 1: locate and command his pitch arsenal. But the stuff is
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  Speaker 1: still there, so I can see maybe like Houston trying
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  Speaker 1: to very gently push him towards the bullpen for this
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  Speaker 1: playoff run, but a healthy offseason could get Lander right
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  Speaker 1: back on track. That honestly, I was in I was
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  Speaker 1: preparing to just absolutely eulogize him and bury him here
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  Speaker 1: in this little offhand segment. But now that I'm seeing
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  Speaker 1: the stuff plus is looking okay, I'm watching him going
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  Speaker 1: into twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, you just ruined the rest of my night
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  Speaker 2: for introducing stuff Plus and game logs. But beyond that, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's I think that they're gonna get keep rolling them
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  Speaker 2: out here down the stretch because they want to see
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  Speaker 2: if they can get it right, because it he it's
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  Speaker 2: been like that coming back off the injury. Just seems
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  Speaker 2: like his location was okay, but his stuff wasn't quite there.
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  Speaker 2: Then his stuff was coming back, and the location is
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  Speaker 2: not there. Like it does feel like he's just he's
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  Speaker 2: still trying to figure things out. Maybe he's been a
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  Speaker 2: little more predictable. I haven't looked too too deeply at
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  Speaker 2: his his his pitch, pitch types. You know, it looks
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  Speaker 2: like he has relied a little bit more on the
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  Speaker 2: fastball since he since he came back, but overall he
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  Speaker 2: hasn't changed up the repertoire too much or anything like that,
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  Speaker 2: But it is gonna be interesting. You know, the fastball
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  Speaker 2: has been getting hammered since he came back, which is
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you're struggling with location, you're leaving the
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  Speaker 2: fastball up in the zone. That's what's gonna happen. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of with you. He's got to figure out
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  Speaker 2: the control and that. I feel like that's the same
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  Speaker 2: thing we say about so many pitchers. If you, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you got all the skill in the world, you got
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  Speaker 2: all the stuff in the world, but if you don't
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  Speaker 2: know where it's going, it's not really going to work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of come full circle for him too,
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  Speaker 1: because that was what Verlander was when he for some
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  Speaker 1: up oddly like, yeah, I remember watching those games like
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  Speaker 1: freshman year of college. That's so crazy, Like how long
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  Speaker 1: Verlander has been around Slash how old we're getting. So
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  Speaker 1: there's a good reminder. But yeah, this episode isn't all
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  Speaker 1: about justin Verlander. We're speaking on Wednesday, September eleventh, which
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  Speaker 1: happens to be Bowman Chrome twenty twenty four release date,
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  Speaker 1: So that's what the big segment will be on the
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  Speaker 1: back half. Of today's show. But let's kick off with
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  Speaker 1: our kind of standard news and notes in terms of
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  Speaker 1: what we're doing with some of this information on our
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  Speaker 1: fantasy teams and just kind of chatting baseball overall. So
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  Speaker 1: now that we kind of started with that little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a downer note, I think with Justin Verlander, let's
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  Speaker 1: get into the transactions side here. So we've got a
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  Speaker 1: few injuries I think this week that especially will affect
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  Speaker 1: us down down the stretch. But like I said, let's
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  Speaker 1: do transactions first, and we're gonna start off in the
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  Speaker 1: Bronx with Jason Dominguez being finally promoted there as the
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  Speaker 1: calls to bring him up and play him over Alex
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  Speaker 1: Verdugo just got too loud for the Yankees to be
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  Speaker 1: able to handle. And uh, I mean tonight it's the
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  Speaker 1: first time that they've had Domingaz and they're facing a
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  Speaker 1: lefty and aren't letting him play. So we will see
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  Speaker 1: if maybe that ends up being like a platoon situation,
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  Speaker 1: which would also be odd considering that for Dugo is
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  Speaker 1: left handed there. But Jason Dominguez had been playing I
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  Speaker 1: would say relatively well for himself down to Triple A.
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  Speaker 1: He was slashing three h nine, three sixty eight four eighty.
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  Speaker 1: That was good for a one twenty WRC plus across
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  Speaker 1: forty four games, seven homers, fifteen stolen bases ISO of
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  Speaker 1: one seventy one, which was about where he was at
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  Speaker 1: when he was called up last year, when he was
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  Speaker 1: at a one sixty one isso in Well, I guess
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  Speaker 1: that's only nine Triple A games, but he had a
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  Speaker 1: one sixty ISO in Double A last year and a
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  Speaker 1: one one eighteen WRC plus. But it was really time
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  Speaker 1: I think for Jason Dimingez to really come up and
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  Speaker 1: get into this Inky's lineup if he was going to
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  Speaker 1: get any run in the playoffs. So Brew, what are
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  Speaker 1: you doing with him down the stretch? In any fantasy
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  Speaker 1: leagues where you might have been holding on to Jason
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  Speaker 1: Deminguez mostly like throughout the entire year given his injury status.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I'm treating dimingas right now
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  Speaker 2: is kind of a third fourth outfielder with upside. Is
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  Speaker 2: kind of where I've got him pegged, you know. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's a guy that's gonna continue to have adjustment
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  Speaker 2: periods that we have to work through. So I'm not
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  Speaker 2: entirely you know, real to see what that if that
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  Speaker 2: comes to fruition, you know. And I also think he's
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  Speaker 2: in such a strong lineup that I you know, he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be batting, you know, towards the bottom of that lineup,
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  Speaker 2: so he's not going to get the advantage of the
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  Speaker 2: so you know, kind of judge value at the top
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  Speaker 2: of it. He's not He's not far enough down the
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  Speaker 2: line up either to be getting like run scored from them.
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  Speaker 2: Either he's like in the worst position there to take
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  Speaker 2: advantage of that. He's batten like six seven, you know,
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  Speaker 2: most of the time at this point. The thing that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be as interesting for me, and this is just
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  Speaker 2: maybe purely a gut thing, is that he has showed
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  Speaker 2: a lot of speed in the miners, and actually very
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  Speaker 2: very efficient speed in the miners. He I think he
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  Speaker 2: was fifteen of sixteen steals just just this season, and
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  Speaker 2: only you know, I say, a handful of games, handful
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  Speaker 2: of probably understandment there, but I'm just I'm struggling to
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  Speaker 2: see if that's going to translate. I the Yank He's
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  Speaker 2: themselves generally aren't like a big boon to stolen bases,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, Domingo's you know, his his body type
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  Speaker 2: doesn't just yell like speed to me, and so it
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  Speaker 2: it's one of those like is he just a smart
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  Speaker 2: base run? Where's he actually had that blazing speed where
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  Speaker 2: you can put up twenty seals a season And I'm
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  Speaker 2: just not sure I see that. So I'm I'm interested.
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching him for sure. I'm really not sure how
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  Speaker 2: much I'm jaded by the card market for Jason Domingos
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  Speaker 2: because he was like the biggest card for you know,
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  Speaker 2: a year straight and he's he's looked every bit the
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  Speaker 2: part in the in the miners here. So yeah, I'm creating,
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  Speaker 2: like this said, the three four outfielder with upside, and
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  Speaker 2: if I've stuck with him this long, I'm playing him. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think so too.
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  Speaker 1: That if you also were able to manage holding him
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  Speaker 1: in an eye out spot, kudos to you because it
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  Speaker 1: was it was rough.
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  Speaker 2: That you had a good year, let's put it that.
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  Speaker 1: Way exactly to be able to hang on to him.
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  Speaker 1: So certainly you've got to play him if he's available.
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  Speaker 1: And it's been a good week for the Yankees as
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  Speaker 1: they've had a lot of home games and they'll be
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  Speaker 1: competitive down the stretch, so you don't I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I have to worry about there being any players like
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  Speaker 1: rested around him that would really cause his value to
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  Speaker 1: dip because I think they're going to be battling with
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  Speaker 1: Baltimore all the way through the end of the season.
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  Speaker 1: All right, onto the next transaction we've got, and that
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  Speaker 1: is Kumar Rocker coming up for the Texas Rangers. He'll
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  Speaker 1: make his debut tomorrow as we're speaking, but when this
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  Speaker 1: pod drops, he'll be ready to go in the evening
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  Speaker 1: for the Texas Rangers, making his MLB debut after being
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  Speaker 1: picked in the twenty twenty two first round. And he's
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  Speaker 1: been crazy good this year as he's bounced back from
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  Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery. His last two stops in Double A
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  Speaker 1: and Triple A were magnificent point four to six at
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  Speaker 1: RA over nine in nineteen and two thirds at Double A,
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  Speaker 1: one point eight ERA over ten innings in Triple A.
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  Speaker 1: And this is totally a situation of ten staff. I
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  Speaker 1: think in terms of there is no such thing as
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  Speaker 1: a pitching prospect, because when they're ready to go, you
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  Speaker 1: got to bring them up. And that looks like the
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  Speaker 1: case with Kumar Rockers. So is this a player that
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  Speaker 1: you would be using down the stretch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I'm I'm all in in Kuma Rocker. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we've talked. I've eulogized on this this pod a number
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  Speaker 2: of time the things I look for, and he has
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  Speaker 2: it in spades, Like he you know everything I look for.
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  Speaker 2: You look for a strikeout upside, you look for for
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  Speaker 2: for walk for low walks, you look for ground balls.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's a guy that's averaged mid fifties up
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  Speaker 2: to sixties, and his ground ball percentages and we're talking
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  Speaker 2: small sample sizes in the minors. His walk rates has
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  Speaker 2: been in a single walk rate per nine and his
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  Speaker 2: strikeouts have been thirteen to sixteen per nine. He's like
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  Speaker 2: on the outer bounds. It's like the Adam Dunne of
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  Speaker 2: pitchers type of thing. Three true outcomes there. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: fully in on him to your point, like he's he's
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  Speaker 2: had the Tommy John surgery. He I think he probably
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  Speaker 2: gets a little bit underestimated because he has an injury
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  Speaker 2: history like a air quote. But yet, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: all know the Tommy John history of now is not
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  Speaker 2: what it used to be. And like it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like he's got that out of the way, and he
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  Speaker 2: hasn't had other naggy injuries come up and second pieces.
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  Speaker 2: He's really good, fun to root for, like he was
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  Speaker 2: a He was a force in college there Vanderbilt, him
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  Speaker 2: and Jack Lighter And now then he had the unfortunate
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  Speaker 2: UH draft situation where he went tenth overall to to
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  Speaker 2: the wonderful Mets, who refused to sign him because of
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  Speaker 2: injury concerns. Then he went and blew up the Frontier League,
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  Speaker 2: which is really nice. What else what is he gonna
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  Speaker 2: do in the Frontier League, Let's be honest, And the
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  Speaker 2: whole twenty innings pitch got him selected third overall the
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  Speaker 2: next year by the Rangers, which was a shock, right.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of a lot of folks thought
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  Speaker 2: he was gonna go maybe late first round, early second. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: don't don't get me wrong. They were probably trying to
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  Speaker 2: save a little bit of money there. But I think
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot to like with Kumar Rocker. He is,
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  Speaker 2: I think capped at fifty innings this year, I think
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  Speaker 2: is what the Rangers have said. So let's be honest,
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  Speaker 2: You've got like three starts out of the guy, and
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  Speaker 2: he's probably to go like maybe four or five innings
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  Speaker 2: in those, but I think you'll be very pleased with
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  Speaker 2: what you get during those. So I'm all on Rocker
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  Speaker 2: rocking to the bank with him next year as well.
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  Speaker 2: So he's a huge buy for me in dynasty leagues
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  Speaker 2: right now. Yes, yeah, I think so too.
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  Speaker 1: That until he shows that he can't sustain the help,
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  Speaker 1: I think you've got to be writing what he's doing
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  Speaker 1: right now. So I totally agree. I'm hoping that the
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  Speaker 1: debut is great and that like he can just show
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  Speaker 1: that he can stick for the rest of the season,
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  Speaker 1: because it'll be interesting where he goes next year in drafts.
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  Speaker 1: And he only gets fifteen major league innings essentially because
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  Speaker 1: he's at thirty six and two thirds across the three
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  Speaker 1: levels right now, so he's got like, you know, thirteen
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  Speaker 1: and the third left in the arm, give or take
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  Speaker 1: to get to that fifty inning mark. So it could
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  Speaker 1: be a really interesting top of the pitching class next
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  Speaker 1: year when we're just considering all of these really small
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  Speaker 1: sample sized pitchers, and Rocker will be right in that mix.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, right, there's gonna be a spot right
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the draft where it's like, do
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  Speaker 2: you take the reliable veteran or do you take the gamble,
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  Speaker 2: And I think he's one of those good, good gambles
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  Speaker 2: that I'm willing to take. Got it all right.
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  Speaker 1: Next call up we have is not quite on the
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  Speaker 1: same level as Dominguez and Rocker, but we're looking at
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  Speaker 1: another top prospect here, and that is Thomas Sagasi from
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  Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals has been called up and joined
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  Speaker 1: the major league roster. He debuted last night at shortstop
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  Speaker 1: and it looks like he'll kind of spell people around
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  Speaker 1: the infield between. He can play all four infield spots.
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  Speaker 1: He's been playing latches shortstop for the Cardinals down in
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  Speaker 1: Triple A this year, but has experienced playing third, second,
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  Speaker 1: and first, and he is really known for that just
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  Speaker 1: overall utility man. I think effort as well as he's
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  Speaker 1: he just has a great, I would say, like vibe
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  Speaker 1: to him in terms of like leadership and everything that
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  Speaker 1: you read about him is that he's just got a
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  Speaker 1: really solid head on his shoulders. From what everybody says
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  Speaker 1: on the scouting end, A lot of it too is
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  Speaker 1: I was reading that he actually like grew up with
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  Speaker 1: his mom passed away when he was in high school
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  Speaker 1: from brain cancer and he's just kind of a I
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  Speaker 1: think that kind of gave him a different perspective on
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  Speaker 1: life coming up. But down in Triple A he was
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  Speaker 1: hitting two fifty three, three thirteen, four thirty eight. That
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  Speaker 1: was good for a ninety two WRC plus, but did
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  Speaker 1: come with twenty homers and nine steals, So not exactly
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  Speaker 1: like a blazing bat. But he is twenty two years old,
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  Speaker 1: and what do you expect for him to do down
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  Speaker 1: the stretch with the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's funny when you come up on
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  Speaker 2: a team and your doppelganger sitting there. Brendan Donovan is
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  Speaker 2: basically the JC here.
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  Speaker 1: Across the on the other side of the plate though, But.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's be honest, from a pure like body build,
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  Speaker 2: like profile, versatility, like it's it's just the other side
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  Speaker 2: of the plate version, like, uh, you know, they can
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  Speaker 2: be playing next to each other and getting confused. Probably
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  Speaker 2: not actually truly from a look perspective, but yeah, I like,
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  Speaker 2: I like so JC. You know, I actually probably hire
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  Speaker 2: him last year than come into this year. I think
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  Speaker 2: he took a little bit, uh step back. I think
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  Speaker 2: he got a jolts at the end of last year
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  Speaker 2: after the trade. He was just phenomenal last year, and
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  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna still be good, but much more
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  Speaker 2: in that uh utility type role. He's the kind of
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  Speaker 2: guy that you're going to be looking for maybe later
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  Speaker 2: in drafts or filling up filling spots. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a popular guy that he's gonna get some
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  Speaker 2: really good flexibility and be a really popular utility kind
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  Speaker 2: of kind of pick uh in next year. I'm watching
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the year this year. I I don't
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  Speaker 2: have a whole lot of faith in what the Cardinals
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  Speaker 2: doing right now. They committed to Walker, It's the only
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  Speaker 2: thing they've committed to, so I wish they'd give him
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  Speaker 2: a good run at it, but I don't think that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna happen. I think you're right, he's a super utilities
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  Speaker 2: position for now.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think that's fair. And I mean, I
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: think he could be in that first space mix going
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: into next year because I don't think gold Schmid's I mean,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: he's been playing better of late, but I don't think
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: gold Schmith's probably done enough to claw back a guaranteed
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: contract in Saint Louis again. Plus honestly, if you I
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: was gold Schmid, I'd be trying to chase a championship
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: at this point either. And I don't think the Cardinals
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: will be quite in that boat for him.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm it's maybe this is just the
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: homer in me. I feel like the Cardinals are gonna
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: resign him for like a three year, thirty nine million
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: dollar type deal and just because they still believe, well, yeah,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: we will see, okay.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Next move that we have, and I mean, speaking of
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: signing extensions and staying in places, Matt Chapman signed with
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the San Francisco Giants in a very rare move for
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: a Scott Boris client to extend in one place, signing
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: a six year extension with San Francisco that will pretty
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: much lock him up for the rest of his career
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: as he's thirty one right now. But it's been a
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: really fantastic year for Matt Chapman that I've been certainly
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: reaping the benefits. As you know, in one of our
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: big leagues that like he was a very late third
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: base pickup, and I took that strategy in lots of
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: places that it just did seem that like he was
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: going way to cheap this year, given I've always liked
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that Matt Chapman stays on the field for the defense,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: and he's right now fifth in the NL in war
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: with four point nine, tied with Bryce Harper, and has
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: slashed two fifty one, three thirty four, four point fifty
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: one for one twenty WRC plus twenty three homers fifteen
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: stolen bases across one hundred and forty one games for
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the Giants. So a lot of that value is coming
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: from just being a jack of all trades in the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: fantasy categories US. The ninety two runs has nothing to
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: sniff at if you're playing roto leagues that it's tough
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: to get that type of production. And I know you've
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: been a big Matt Chapman fan for quite a while.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: What do you think of him extending to stay in
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: San Francisco and what that could mean for, you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: the outlook of his career in the next couple of years.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a good move for him.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: He's locking up some reliability. He you know, I really
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: love Chapman. When we first came up with Oakland, there's
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: a ton of potential there, big power bat To your point,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: the glove is something that's underrated in our fantasy game
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: because it does keep him on the field no matter what.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: He's going to get those appearances. The last few years,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: he's really really struggled with strikeouts and that's made him
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: pretty unreliable and really torpedoed that batting average, which has
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: kind of soured me to a degree. He's turned that
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: around a little bit this year and randomly started running,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: which I feel like I can put zero stock in
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Matt Chapman continuing to run. Maybe that's just me that
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: just feels like the biggest outlier there is in this file.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: But if you're buying what he's doing this year at
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: that level, I feel like this level, outside of the speed,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: is probably who Matt Chapman is. I do worry a
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: little bit that the extension, like there's this like stigma.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Stigma's not the right word, but it's this little provenance
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: of signing an extension that makes players seem better than
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: they are. And I don't think Chapman is like vaulted
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: in the top of the third base rankings by any mean,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: So I think he's still there, but he's not Rofie Devers.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: You know, he's not Austin Riley. He's not even like
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: an Alex Bregman in my book, but he's still in
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: that you know, ten to twelve kind of ranking order
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: for me. For Chapman, so liking going forward if the
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: price is right. But I do think he made a
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: really good choice sticking around in San Francisco. I think
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: it's a great ballpark for him. I think it's a
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: great situation for him, and he's gonna get to spend
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: basically his entire career in the Bay minus a little
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: detour to Canada. Yeah.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean the Canada detwo was real bad for him.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So I do think that's been part of it too,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: is that, I mean, he is a northern California guy,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: like he went to cal State Fullerton, came through that
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Oakland system. That it feels like he enjoys playing in
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: northern California and will find a great home there in
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: San Francisco. That I think that's been part of the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: reason why he's been playing so much better and part
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of the reason I was like investing from just like
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: that narrative standpoint that it seemed like he could just
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: kind of settle into what his normal routine had been since,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: you know, he was eighteen years old or whatever, going
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to cal State Fullerton. And part of it, too, is
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: like the WRC has really bounced back that it is
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: a two fifty one average, But a two fifty one
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: average is pretty solid in today's fantasy environment. That's not
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: going to kill you the way that it would have
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. So I think if you
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: if he can keep up this contact profile that he's
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: put up this year, and I think he can. He
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: had been battling injuries, seemed like with Toronto and maybe
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: it's just kind of found a comfort, just an overall
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: comfort level when he's in the Bay Area, So I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: think he can maintain that going forward. And even if
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have like the greatest power stats, if he's
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: making more contact in Oracle Park, like that'll play a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: little bit more because of just the size of the park.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: It gives them the ability to hit more for more doubles,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: more triples, and just kind of pop in those little
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: bass hits here and there. All Right, next transaction we've
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: got is, uh, we've actually got a couple of returners,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: veteran returners from injuries. So these should be fun and
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: this next one. I'm pretty excited about because I thought
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: that maybe Jacob de Gram would like dial it back
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and notch like coming back from this Tommy John surgery
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: to the second Tommy John surgery, and he's starting to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: get pretty old. He's thirty six and is set to
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: return Friday here for the Texas Rangers. But all reports
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: have been that he's just down in the minors throwing
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: pure gas, you know, sitting one hundred and ninety nine
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that he always has been, and looks like he's ready
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to come back and do the same for the Texas Rangers.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: So it doesn't look like that.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Second Tommy John has really slowed him down much that
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: he has thrown ten and two thirds innings over four
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: starts in double A and triple A, and just in
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: those ten two thirds innings, he has been brutal, struck
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: out fifteen of those minor leaguers against just one walk.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one walk.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So the control seems to be there, which is usually
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the last thing that comes back for Tommy John. What
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: are you doing here with Jacob de Gram down the
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: stretch and I mean we're past trade deadline, so you
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: can't necessarily go out and trade for him. But let's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: say theoretically like this that happened maybe a month ago,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and you have somebody in this situation more of like
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: a higher level strategy. If we have somebody coming down
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the pike next year with this situation, I'm trying to
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: think there's any honestly, Spencer Streider will be close to
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: this sort of situation coming down into like the last
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: month of twenty twenty five. So what do you do
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: with pictures like this that are coming back Like Jacob
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: de Gram.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's one of those two point if
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: if the trade window is open, it would be pretty
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: much impossible to trade for him or trade him away
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: like he's I think he's positioned himself in one of
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: those where he's Jacob de Gram. He's got an amazing history,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: he's got all this potential and then he's come out
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: in his rehab starts and just looks phenomenal. And so
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: you're if you own him, if you relied on him
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and waited until the point earlier on your I L
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: this long, you are not letting him go for anything
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: because you were expecting top three pictures. Jacob de Grom unreasonable,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: but that's what you're expecting if you're trying to acquire him,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: you're trying to buy low because of all the injuries, Like,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: it's just not gonna match up. But I do think
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: you have to you have to roll. I think there's
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: gonna be some hiccups. I think it's gonna be he's
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: gonna be one of those, Uh, I'm gonna say Spencer
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Arraghetty types right now, that's a really bad comp I'm
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: sorry Jacob deGrom for saying that, but I think he's
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: gonna be like lights out, lights out, get shelled, lights out,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: lights out. Like I think it's gonna be one of
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: those where he's the field is gonna it's gonna be
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: all on the field, and he's gonna probably lose the
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: feel a little bit more than he has traditionally because
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: he never really has. And so there's gonna be a
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: few bumps along the road. But really, if he can
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: come back, he's gonna earn himself back in that top
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: ten starting pitching and going into the next year. If
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: he can just have a healthy end of the month
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: here with those velocities keeping the ball in the ballpark.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: There's a lot to be said, And to your point,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: I think it's gonna speak volumes for guys like Strider,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: other guys coming back from injury, risk that it can
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: be done, and don't look at the show point of
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: like justin Lander. Don't look at the forty one year old,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: look at the thirty six year old for this. So
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what happens. But I think we're
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: all kind of along the ride at this point.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I love watching him pitch, so I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: will be very excited to see Jacob de Gram on
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Friday night.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, honestly, like, if he.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Looks really good down the stretch, we might almost have
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to redo the back end of that first round mock
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: draft that we had because it's gonna be hard for
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: people that have been in on Jacob de Gram and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: especially I have used him to win leagues in the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: past to give up that ghost. If he looks really
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: good and is healthy down the stretch, all right. Next
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: veteran we have returning from injury is Trevor Story for
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the Boston Red Sox, who has come back from what
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be a season ending shoulder injury. We
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: talked about it that way when it happened back in April,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: had been out since April fifth, but returned just on
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Sunday against the White Sox, I believe, So let me
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: see if I've got my dates, rit Nope, it was Saturday,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: so close enough. But he's been back now for a
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: handful of games and has struggled a little bit.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Let me.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's only been three games at this point,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: but it has been eleven played appearances with a thirty
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: six percent strikeout rate, three singles. And I think that's
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: what I'm concerned about here with Trevor's story down the
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: stretch a little bit with why I didn't acquire any
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Xander Bogart shares when he got dropped from his shoulder
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: injury too, is that you could see it when he
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: was on his triple A rehabs start again. Pretty small,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: but in those four games, over sixteen play appearances, one double,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: So I think story is really going to struggle to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: find the power here down the stretch. But would you
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: maybe WHOA, it's a I don't know when the last
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: time we've been recording this, I've had a voice crack
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: like that. But that's a good one. But would you
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: maybe be looking at him for a speed asset down
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the stretch.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I might. I'd probably be willing to take a
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: gamble on him as a speed asset down the stretch.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: But I'm not really too overly enamored to the kind
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: of the point you made that he I am worried
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: about the strength coming back I've got. I'm not worried
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: about this is a long term lingering injury. Actually, ironically,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of stories injuries like have been these really
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: fluky things that I'm not terribly concerned. It's like, it's
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: not like a low back injuries. It's not like, you know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: he's Ronald Koony and keeps blowing out all his acls
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: like it seems like they're all these kind of freak things,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: which is really unfortunate and so but at the same time,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: like I think it's gonna I think he's essentially rehabbing
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: the major like it's kind of the way I'm looking
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: at it right now. But I'm actually slightly intrigued with
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Trevor Story going to the next year. And that's mainly
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: because of the price, because I think the price is
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: free or close to it, and so I think, you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Trevor Story, it's it's not that many years ago that
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: we were talking about. Trevor story is like a top
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of the first round player, and he's had three seasons
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: now in Boston where he has yet to accumulate enough
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: games to have a full one sixty two game season
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: because of just these freak injuries. But the talent is
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: still there, and he's still young enough. He's he's just
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: thirty one. He'll be in his thirty two year old
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: season next year, and so you know, and it's not
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: like his contracts running out anytime soon, so they're gonna
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: be they're gonna be relying on him. So I'm willing
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to take a gamble middle endfield type thing next year
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: for Trevor's story, knowing that there is actually a lot
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: of upside there, and it's not prospect upside, it's the
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: upside that everybody's like, well he's over, it's all over with,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: it's not coming back. Carlos Korea kind of did the
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: same thing. It's like, the talent is there, it's just
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: a matter of can he get really truly healthy. And
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: this year was supposed to be that year until just
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: a freak injury. So I'm I'm invested in Trevor story.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised myself say that, but I am no.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a that's a fair take
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: because you are looking at Boston is a top ten
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: offense by w RC plus going into this offseason. They've
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: only got two free agents that will be coming off
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the roster that's in the everyday lineup, and that's Tyler
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: O'Neill and the second one is Danny Jansen. So you're
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: looking at Trevor's story in a pretty dynamic Boston offense.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: That's also you've had Raffy Devers had a bit of
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: a down year with a bum shoulder for a lot
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: of the year. I mean, obviously Jared Durant has been
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: playing like at an MVP level, but you'll get you know,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Masatak Yoshida just with another year underneath his belt, and
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: MLB Tristan Costas will be around for the entire year.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: And that's not even to mention anything about like Roman
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Anthony coming up, Marcel Mayer coming up. So I think
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Bobby sorry, he got cut, so I know he got
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: dfade and sent back to Triple as nobody else wanted them,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: so he still could come back. When I saw that happen.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, the memories of all those Bobby
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Doll like rookie carts I sold back in twenty twenty.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: What a time.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that's a great take that. I
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: think it's it's something to kind of watch down the
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: stretch and if we are wrong and the power flashes, Like, honestly,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: if you're looking into story for twenty twenty five, maybe
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you want that power to be tamped down and hoping
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that you know, he can just kind of find a
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: rhythm and be able to come back healthy for twenty
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: twenty five.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're really excited for twenty five if
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: you see him running well, if you see himthing line
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: drives and you see him playing every day, like you're
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: really happy with that. If the power's not there, as
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: long as he's sitting the ball hard across the field,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: that's gonna be a really really good sign for next year.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: All Right, Well, the next transaction we got it is
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: a sad one. We're going to stay in Boston, but
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they have officially cut Rich Hill good Old Dick Mountain
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: after three and two thirds there this season as a
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: forty four year old. It was a four ninety one era,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: but the FIP was seven to twenty seven as he
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: was really struggling to find the zone, but not terribly
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: surprising considering the curveball heavy arsenal from rich Hill. This
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: is more of a fun question here is so Rich
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Hill is at thirteen franchises right now for like, how
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: many he's played for across MLB, one short of the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: record of Edwin Jackson. Where would you have rich Hill
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: signed so that he can get his fourteenth team knocked
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: out before the end of the season.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a tough one.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: That's the other question. To do it without looking at
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: ball Baseball reference page, and I can tell you if
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you're wrong, if he's already played for that team.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Man, it's like a fifty to fifty shot. Here. I'm
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: going to say rich Hill he is the best fit
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: right now. And I don't think he's played there, but
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I feel about thirty percent confident of saying that is
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Baltimore he has played there. Oh, dang it. When did
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: he play in Baltimore?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: It was early. It was when he in two thousand
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and nine, when he was.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Baltimore wasn't playing baseball. Then let's be very clear.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: That's like when he was like, you know, cut essentially
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: from the Cubs and was floating there in free space
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: for a little bit. That that's when Baltimore picked him
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: up in that initial kind of like m about of
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: turmoil in his career. So he has pitched for Baltimore.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, the thirteen games, I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: not too disappointed in myself on that one.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: That was fifteen years ago.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: My other my other call was going to be New York.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: The Yankees also pitched there, So yeah, I'm but I
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: think that was even just also another partial season as well.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: It was there, so many.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Of these are full seasons.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: What what I want to know is from a Boston perspective, was,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: you know, this is kind of this weird karma for
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: rich Hill. He played his cards to be able to
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: come back and try to make a roster to be
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: post he's in eligible, and then he gets cut after
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: three and two thirds innings because his velocity was I
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: was peaking up about eighty six and I think he
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: was throwing the seventies a majority of the time with
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: his curveball, and so man, that's got a stink for him.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: He's because he's not post. He's eligible now for any
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: anywhere else he signs. Yeah, and so also the same time, Boston,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: why did you bother? Like what were you even doing?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Very good question. Yeah, I'm not sure. I saw he
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: got designated him, Like, didn't he just start? And he
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: wasn't terrible. It wasn't good, it wasn't terrible. He's you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: there's worst things out there. That's that's that's for certain.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, just like at the Chicago White Sox, my friend. Yeah,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: you can say that with the whole league. There's worse
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: things out there when you get the White Sox except
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: for Chris gets. He thinks we're really good.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: You still didn't answer what team are you sending him to?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I'm I have to pick a team that he's not
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: on because I'm sending them to Baltimore. I think that's
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: where he belongs.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: He can't if you're gonna get that fourteenth team, I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: can tell you my choice would be Cincinnati because that's
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: actually who he originally was drafted by in nineteen ninety nine.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: He was directed in nineteen ninety nine by the Cincinnati
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Rids out of high school that he never played for them,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: So why not write it out.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: So if you're going there, I'm sending them to Colorado. Okay, Yeah,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I just think that it's one of those such a
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: terrible matches that it would work. Yes, Rachel curveballs in
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Colorado in the thin air, somehows generally ground balls out
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: of those. Fantastic choice.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's flip over to those injuries that I
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: was talking about, because we do have some decent level
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: injuries I think that are going to affect fantasy teams
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: out there down the stretch. The first one is we
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: have pitcher from the Seattle Mariners, Louis Castillo, going on
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the IL with a hammy strain, and it has been
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: an interesting season. I would say for Louis Castillo. As
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: it's on the surface, it's looked pretty good. You know,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: he's given you one hundred and seventy five and one
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: thirds innings with eleven wins, a three sixty four er.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: But on the other hand, the strikeouts have started to
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: back up those homers that we were talking about in
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the preseason. Both of us had were really pushing Louis
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Castill down draft boards. So I've only got like one
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: share of him right now, and that was because I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: picked him up at like a trade deadline and a
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: innings pitched based head to head league, so he was
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: crucial for that. But otherwise, I think you were probably
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: disappointed if you drafted Louise Castillo because lots of people
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: had to take him as their number one starter this year.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: And so do you think that this trend continues for
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Castillo or do we get something where he finds some
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: fountain of youth and bounces back to what we were
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: seeing a little bit maybe in Cincinnati or twenty twenty
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: two Seattle.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I think I think it's gonna get
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: to get worse from here. Like I he I feel
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: like he got lucky this year if you look at
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: the numbers, like and I hate to rehash like where
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: we started with him, but like, you know, I think,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: you know, if I remember the talk track that we had,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: you know, and I didn't listen to that pod of
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: the pod before before we recorded tonight, but you know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: he has always had home run issues and he kind
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: of got a little lucky the last few years in there,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and he kind of maintained that a little again this year,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: to the point the velocity has now ticked down in
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: five straight seasons, and it was actually a pretty decent
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: drop off this year. He went from you know, back
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: in the Cincinnati days mid ninety sevens now he's down
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: in the mid ninety five. So he's also full two
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: ticks in the last few years, and over just the
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: last two years, it's about a tack and a half.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: His his STIPs up, his X stip up, his X
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: cras up, like all of them are going in the
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: wrong direction. And again he's he's not putting the ball
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: on the ground, like he's just letting me get in
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the air, and he gives up homers. So there's it's
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: just going the wrong way for me. And I think
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: he you're starting to sleep. We mentioned the strikeouts. I
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: think that's where it's starting to show its show first.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: And I think the wheels are gonna come off real fast.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's next year a year after that,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: but when it happens, it's gonna be fast and it's
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: gonna be bad. So I am fully out of Lulu's castillo.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't need any shares of this. You
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: can take him unless he's like my fifth starter. I
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: am not touching with a ten foot poll. Yeah, exactly that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I think when you and I probably get to draft
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: season and kind of put together projections, I just don't
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: see how the line up to what his draft value
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: will be if it's somewhere in the ballpark of where
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: it was, because I think it will be pretty similar
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: to maybe what it was this year. Backing up a
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: little bit, but I think people will see I'm.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Still be like top fifteen is what people are still
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: treating that way, and it just isn't a top fifteen profile.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: It's it is rocky. It is really rocky, I would agree.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, next injury we have is Dodgers starter Gavin Stone
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: hitting the injured list with shoulder inflammation, which we've kind
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of talked about this here and there down the stretch
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: over the past month or so. But I'm not surprised
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: by this considering that Gavin Stone has hit a career
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: high in innings this year with forty and a third innings.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: It was great. It was a three fifty three ra
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: with eleven wins and only five losses.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: The strikeouts were a little lacking.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I think you would take that considering
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the great ra work that you got and the chance
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: at all those wins considering the Stone pitch for the
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Dodgers this entire year. So is this We've talked about
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: this a little bit going into next year, but are
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: you even I feel like I'm going to be very,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: very cognizant of this next year. Is that so many
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: of these young pitchers and even veteran ish ones like
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Tyler glassnow just can not handle one hundred and fifty
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: innings even because they've never even come close to it.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: So like it's gonna be I think a huge draft
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: day consideration, especially for people like I mean Paul Skins.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be right up there when I'm
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: thinking about this in terms of, like how does the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: end of the season work out for Paul's Skins? Like
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: what is the game plan? And like you can if
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: you had Stone, maybe you were already starting to think
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: about that. But it's just another factor we're gonna have
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: to weigh both at the draft table and during end
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: season management, because I think it's gonna be something when
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to even pick up players unlike the waiver
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: wire free agent pool next year, I want to see,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: like what their innings load has been over the past
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: couple of years to see is that dude even going
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: to be available in August in September. For me, what
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: are you doing with players like this ilk with Gavin Stone,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: where you know they're young. Obviously COVID and the pandemic
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: played a role, but the innings just aren't built up
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to get an entire season out of these players.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, unless you have the schemes type
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: of repertoire, like at some point you have to take
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: a jump, you have to take a risk, something like that,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: and if there's no other warning signs, I'm willing to
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: take a little bit that gamble. But as soon as
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the warning signs start to show up and they're not
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: like the the clear injuries like we talk about like
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: a Shane McClanahan for example, he got hurt and he
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: got clearly hurt and he's gonna be working back that,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I'm a little bit more willing to like see how
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: it plays and go from there. But a guy that's
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: gone deep into games and had some good innings, Stone's
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: the kind of guy that hasn't had a lot of innings.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: It seems to kind of have a cap and the
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the minor league stuff
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: just hasn't translated the majors. The numbers look a lot
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: better than these pen and I think that's part of
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: the challenge here. Is he said you mentioned that the
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: striccounts aren't work. It needs to be. The wins are
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: kind of carrying him because he is playing for the Dodgers.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: His stuff is he's kind of like a really like
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: a one trick pony. He's got a crazy good slider
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: and that's it. And so I think he's kind of
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: made his way through based on that and team's not
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: quite adjusting yet. But I don't know that he's much
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: more than an average pitcher at this point in his career.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: And if he's not gonna get the innings built up,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: and if you're gonna be for the Dodgers, they they're
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: looking for, you know, really truly guys that are gonna
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: be in there. And I don't know about you, but
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: is the are the Dodgers starting to struggle keeping pictures healthy?
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: It's it's getting a little dicey. And I'm not talking
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: about the Clayton Kershows of the world here, right, But
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Bueler hasn't been able to trotally look back. Yeah, Moto's
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: had issues. I'm gonna call James packstownt for retiring even
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: though he's before trying to do with Red Sox, but
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: they gave that a shot. Like it just seems like
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: nobody's staying healthy in that rotation nowadays.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I talked about this a little bit.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I was on the roto Wire podcast on Saturday, and
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: so I'm sure there's like some Cicco out there that
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: has heard me talk on there and is listening to
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: me here that I have to I think, I hope
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: maybe I have one fan out there that's like that.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not. I'm not sure Stock is called a stalker.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, So we talked about this a little bit, but
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I think what it actually is is the Dodgers hone
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: in on and try to acquire these types of pictures
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that have flaws and either their mechanics or just their
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: actual like biometric you know, their bodies and in terms
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: of their their physicals. That I think we've seen this
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of looking at the Jack
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Flaherty trade when the Yankees were not willing to accept
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the risk that came with whatever they saw in that
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: medical But the Dodgers were the Dodgers obviously acquired Tyler
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Glass now, and I think a lot of it comes
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: over from Andrew Friedman developed this when he was with
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the Rays, and the Rays do this, I think too.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: It's not that they're breaking the pictures. I think it's
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: actually that they're choosing pitchers that do break because one,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: obviously they're cheaper, which sucks. Like it's a very like
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: dollars and cents approach to team building and just kind
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of like applying, you know, executive business level courses to
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: team building. But I think that's one factor to it,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: as well as like whatever Andrew Friedman has developed between
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: his time in Tampa and LA and the coaches and
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: staff that he has underneath them, he has confidence in
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: being able to develop pitching out of kind of balls
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: of clay and being able to form people and find
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: it wherever he can, using especially the strategy that if
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you've got if you're chasing players who might have physical
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: or medical flaws but can still throw really well while
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: they're pitching, they'll be really good. And so I think
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of what the strategy actually is in
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: intintal talent there with the Dodgers that I don't think
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: they're necessarily breaking these players, but they're kind of trying
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: to acquire these players actively.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: That's really is an interesting take, and it does feel
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: like you might be onto something as far as they're
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: just willing to take more that risk. And I also
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: wonder if they think that they're better at it than
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: they are. Right, you compare them to the Rays and
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the Race tend to take these guys in and make
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: some very clear tweaks. It's like when the Rays take
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: a guy in, it's not like, well, he just keeps pitching,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: which I feel like the Dodgers to injury just kind
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: of lets you keep doing with minor tweaks. The Rays
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: basically like stop it, knock it off, stop throwing that pitch,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: stop throwing it there, like they make true changes where
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like the Dodgers do that to the
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: same degree. But and then the Rays will also cut
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: bait a little faster if they see it's not working
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: as well. So that's interesting. Yeah, Stone, he's he's right
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: in that mix. I'm probably avoiding him next year. It's
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: kind of like Bobby Miller all over, and I like
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Bobby Miller a heck of a lot more than I
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: like Evan Stone, So I'll probably keep drinking that koolid
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: for another year or two. But Stone is one that
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just not gonna be shocked if we if we
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: don't talk about him again. Yeah, I think that all
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: makes sense.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, next injury we have is third basement from the
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Phillies or actually first baseman.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I guess both.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I mean he's been playing more third base, but we'll
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: play first. I guess that was more last year. Take
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: that back. It's third baseman Alec Bohm from the Philadelphia Phillies.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: He's going on the al with a handstreen and he
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: was an All Star this year. But wow, this is
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: this is one of those guys where I don't pay
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: attention too much to like first half second half splits,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: to like especially tell me something in terms of like
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: trying to determine if I should acquire a player for
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: one half or the other. But what all the use
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: of more so for is to just see like how
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the shape of a player season looks, and you want
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: to talk about players we won't be acquiring. Alec Boom
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: will be on that list for me next year because
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you can just see it, right, in the shape of
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: this season, that that first half were the most brilliant
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: three months of his career, where he hit two ninety
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: five with eleven homers, forty two runs, seventy RBI over
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: ninety four games. Second half nineteen RBIs and two homers
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: with a two seventy eight average, which I think will
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: always be there in Boem's profile because he's a good
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: contact hitter. But he's come back to what I think
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: we're used.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: To with Bom.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: You know, he last year was a twenty home run hitter. Honestly,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: that RBI total is even kind of high you're looking.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I think more like twenty twenty two is who I
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: think Bom is two eighty three fifteen three ninety eight
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: slash line, thirteen homers, seventy nine runs, seventy two ribs,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: ninety nine WRC plus. Am I off base or am
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I just hating on out bomb here too much?
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: No? I think you're You're probably right on there, because
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you kind of you tweak the stats
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: a little the second half there, He's played like thirty
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: seven games against like ninety some so yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: but it's still it doesn't extrapolate. I think you're right,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: like Boem's profile, even when he was drafted, he was
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: not a massive power hitter. He was not a speed guy.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: He was this big body with decent glove, and he
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: hit for average and he hit for just enough power.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Like he was like a very high floor, lower ceiling prospect.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: And to your point, in twenty three, that's what he did.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Twenty two he was pretty much that with a little
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: less power, And if you look at this total year,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: that's what he's gonna do again. And so I yeah,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: it might be hot cold here and there, Like at
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, he's probably a fifteen to
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: twenty homer guy that can hit to ninety. There's nothing
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: wrong with that. The problem is, to your point, like
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: when especially with the long baseball season, people tend to
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: forget what happens is the second half. They look at
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: what happened the first half when they're really engaged and
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: then their roto team fell apart. So I think mom's
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: gonna have a little and he's playing on a great team.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have a little helium. The bigger
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: concern for me is hand strain. That is could like
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: it's not a handmate type issue. Don't get me wrong,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: like that's way worse, but that is so critical, Like
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking of the rest of the season. I don't.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not thinking a lingering thing from it in next year.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: But you need to have such a feel and if
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: you have a handstrain, every single time you hit that
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: ball all it's painful and you have to believe that
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: takes a little bit out of the swing. So I
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: know the reports are he might be out for another
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: week or so. Like I died, I'm really concerned that
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: he's not gonna be back until the playoffs, like they're
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: gonna wait to try to get him as healthy as possible,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: and even then it's gonna be a little bit of questionable.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if we've seen the rest of the
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: end of Alec Bohm for the rest of the regular
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: season here.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's very possible, especially given that
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: they really do have the depth to be able to
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: make it through this year compared to where they've been
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: in previous years. So I wouldn't be surprised. But if anything,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: maybe he pops up like right at the tay l
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: end of the season to be able to come back
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: for the playoffs. Okay, next injury we have actually will
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: end this player season as he's been placed on the
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: sixty day IL, which is I think more of just
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a forty man roster move because I think if it
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: was just his normal injury, that is Joe Adele with
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: this strained oblique from the Angels, I think it was
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: just the normal injury, he probably would have been on
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: like the fifteen day IL and out for the typical
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: three to four weeks with an oblique strain. But given
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: as the end of the season, the Angels wanted that
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: forty man roster spot to be able to play with
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: and put Adele on the sixty day IL. But that
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: wraps up what's gonna be a twenty fifteen season from
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Adele with a two oh seven two eighty four h
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: two slash line that's an eighty nine WRC plus. But
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I've been really encouraged he's cut the strikeouts and increase
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: the walk rate, like he's been learning how to command
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: the zone on the fly, and it's really each month
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: like he's been getting better and better and better. He's
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: only twenty five. You also don't need to go too
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: far on ras ball to dig through those tags and
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: see how often I write about Joe Adele and dote
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: on him. So I want you to crush my dreams
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: and tamper this down a bit. What are you doing
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: with Joe Adell going into next year?
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I'm avoiding him like the plague. You know it's in it.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: You're not wrong, Like you're not wrong that he's he's
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: shown growth, he's done that, but it's it's one of
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: those fully ones for me twice, Like we're like on
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: five times with Joadell now, and he is such a
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: streaky hitter that it's really hard to manage. And I
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: look at some of the results that he's had this year,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: like there is growth, don't get me wrong, but you know,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: he ended up with a twenty fifteen season, which is
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: like really exciting, but you know, the strikeouts were just
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: under thirty percent, He stole fifteen bases, he got caught
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: ten times. He was not effective at all. You know,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: his hard hit rates are pretty pretty dismal. Uh. You know,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: it depends on what metric you want to go go
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: buy fanagrafts on a thirty one percent UH stackcast has
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: about forty four percent, big big ranges there, but he's
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: like a low two hundred hitter. He's gonna if he
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: keeps getting caught in the bases, he's not gonna steal anymore.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: And you're gonna end up with this guy with a
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: ton athleticism. Looks like he should be better it is,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: and the numbers just keep dragging, and then he teases
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: you enough to keep starting him. That's so, that's my
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: problem with Joe Adell. I just it's a train I've
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: ridden too many times and I am off Tarrett my ticket.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Send me home. No more Joe Adell at this point,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: so you can have them feel free. I'm not bidden
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: you up.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Next year, I will take him. I don't think it's
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: been too encouraging this year, and I do. I mean,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I just like that he's playing all the time, like
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: it's really huge, and like the two hundred batting average
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't kill you as much as you would think because
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: of the low batting average in today's day and age.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: That especially. I don't know what it is with that
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: park in Anaheim, but if you remember, like when we
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: were looking at the stat cast metrics earlier in the year,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: it was like better than cores. It was like crazy great.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I think there is something with just the way it
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: plays heat wise at the beginning of the season that like,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: it's a great time I think to buy in on Angels,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: to like use them out the gate because I think
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: there it And it's been a couple of years now
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: where I've noticed this where Angels plays real well and
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: then dips a little bit more towards the end of
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: the season. I do think that there is a weather
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: pattern in southern California that causes a lot of that.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: But because of that, I will use that to paper
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: over any of the bad things you just said about
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Jo Adell in my mind. So I am deleting that
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: all out right now.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just I got to give you one more comp
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Who would you take Joe Adell who hit I just
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: lost my stat cafeh he hit two oh seven with
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: fifty four runs, twenty homers, and fifteen steals. Or do
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: you take player B who hits two thirty two with
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: fifty three runs, twenty four homers, and two steals one
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty one games for a WRC plus of
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: ninety nine. And how big of a difference is there?
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the steals. The steals is pretty big, like
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: when you're when you're get thirteen more steals with Adele.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously most of the time you're going to
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: be be picking player B but certainly if you were
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: trying to chase steals, I think that's what Adele was
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: good for. Tube.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: But let me see if I can guess who player
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: two is. Give me league, Give me league. At least
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: American American League one hundred and thirty one games in
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: the season, so he's been a starter all all all year.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I consider him a veteran.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like Ben and Tendy maybe or something
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: That's not a bad guess we're talking are our buddy
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Paul de Young here?
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Very good?
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: So I'm just saying Paul de Young and Joe Adell
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: are not too different outside of a guy that tries
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: to steal and gets caught all the time. And I
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: don't think anybody's claimoring to go pick up PAULA Young.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I mean I have at points, so okay, okay, point
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: for point, maybe that might be. I think we might
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: have a different intervention and we need to have a discussions.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: On fantastic Okay, Well, let's get into the schedule release
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: for baseball cards because we've got a few additions that
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: came up this week, and then after we get through
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: this schedule updates, we'll get into Bowman Chrome. But we
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: had Tops Chrome Sapphire come out yesterday, which honestly I
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: didn't see it drop, but it supposedly did according to
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Beckett dot com, and that's where I get that calendar from.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: But we will see as those things surface. I think
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: they probably just more so like shipped yesterday on September tenth. Obviously,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: we have today on the eleventh Bowmen Chrome Pinini prisms
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: slated for October second. They've also added on October second
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: the Bowman Chrome makeup boxes. So today is we're speaking,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: and we'll go into this a little bit when we do.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: The overview of the checklist is that it's only the
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: hobby products that have come out for Bowman Chrome today
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: on September eleventh. The Bowman Chrome megaboxes, which are more
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: of a retail product, will be hitting shelves there on
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: October second, and on October fourth, we've got twenty twenty
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: four or five star coming back from Tops. So that
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: is the upcoming schedule. Like I said, We're going to
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: take a quick break right now, but we will be
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: back with that Bowman Chrome overview, So stick around, all right,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. We are going to get into the
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: overview of twenty twenty four Bowman Chrome, which is releasing
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: today as we're speaking, on Wednesday, September eleventh, and.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Once again, this is going to be one of.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: The higher end products I think that we discuss, which
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: is kind of funny considering it never would say never,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: but it typically hasn't been until I think it really
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: took off during the pandemic and the chase for especially
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: first from Prospects and first autos, that has just really skyrocketed,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: and that is what really moves the market here, I think,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: especially if you want to get into some of our
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: thoughts from just where the overall industry and card collecting
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: is going. I think our pot last year on twenty
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: twenty three Bowmen Chrome was really great because it was
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: really I think a turning point in terms of where
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: this has all gone over the past couple of years,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: especially with chrome cards and tops Chrome in some of
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: our favorite sets historically over the years, where it's just
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: been pushed to a very significant price point so as
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: we're talking here, the only choices you have to get
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Bowmen Chrome are via a hobby box
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: which will come with It's actually like it's called like
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: a Maxter box. It's kind of got like two miniboxes
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: within it, and one box. Each box will have an
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: autograph in it, so you're getting two autographs in the
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: entire box. But that'll run you two hundred and eighty
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: ish dollars is with looking at it retailed at and
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: that's what it came through on tops dot com. Your
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: other choice would be paying what is roughly looking like
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: a tick over three hundred bucks most places right now,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: so like three thirty ish for an HTA Choice box,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: which I can't believe this isn't this is even happening
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: considering just this overall product. And we'll get into the
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: checklist a little bit. It's not great, but you get
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: three cards in your three hundred and thirty dollars box.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: They are all autographs, but that is like walking into
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: the casino and putting one hundred bucks on black three times. Essentially,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: it is a tough deal. So Brew, I'm assuming you're
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: not out there ripping any bowman hobbies. But if you are, where.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Did you get the cash from? Yeah, very good question.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I am not ripping any Bowman Chrome hobby or choice.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: It's it to your point, it is a it is
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: a very very big gamble product. And I think the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: challenge with it is this year's checklists I don't think
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: is terribly strong. And the return period on this is
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: such such a long return period that many of these guys,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: even when they get called up, if they do in
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: a few years, their value is not going to be higher.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: And let me give you the example. There's this pretty
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: good player that came up in a recent Bowman Chrome set,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Elie Dela Cruz. And when his came out, he I
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: think he was twenty dollars or so to buy his
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: first Bowman just on the secondary market, which I believe
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: was actually more. And when he got called up in
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: and now when he has been playing like having unbelievable season,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Like the hype of Bowman is so strong when it
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: comes out because the prices are so insane that for
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: a say, everyday collector, the only way you're going to
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: get the card of the guy that's like this potential
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: star in the future in five years is to pay
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: out to Wazoo, which is a technical term. Let let
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: me tell you to get the card. So yeah, I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: think this is a very very make or break product.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. You can hit something crazy in
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: this and be set for years like sell it and
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: reinvest and by all the bowmen you want. But that
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: it is very much a lottery type product.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Here, Yes, definitely. And I mean, like we said, like
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: it's not the strongest checklist, but it seems like it
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: is because the top end of this checklist is very
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: very strong, I would say in terms of you know,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: you're looking at rookie cards here of Jackson, Merrill, Eli
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: de la Cruz, Jackson, Curio, Wyatt Langford, Paul Skeens.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: So everything's been lining up.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Paul Skeens is obviously going to be in twenty twenty
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: four tops update. He's been getting RC stamps and all
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: of his cards, which will be I think an interesting
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: discussion when we get into update year updated upmarket, because
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a very crazy product between all
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: those guys that I pretty much just listened right there
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: and Jackson Holiday as well. Haven't even listed Jackson Holiday.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: That it's you know, going to be a very loaded
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: update product, which has been kind of rare for the
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: past couple of years, but they also moved it into
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Bowmen Chrome. On top of it, you are chasing. I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: would say that even compared to when last year we
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: were talking about Ethan Sallas this time that was the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: big first to chase in twenty twenty three Bowmen Chrome.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: This year it's Leo Devreese from the San Diego Pots,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: And honestly, I can see the hype like this is
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: certainly I think a fantastic prospect. He's seventeen, already in
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: low A and seems to be holding his own that
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: I think he is going to be something special. But
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: when we're saying that the checklist is is rough, the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: back end of that auto checklist is rough. Let me say,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: just like these prospects like you and I are pretty
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: connected in in terms of like not only baseball cards,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: but dynasty and keeper leagues and all sorts of just
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: like super deep baseball knowledge, and this list goes through
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: so many players that I've never heard of. And on
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: top of it too, it's just usually what they do
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: in Bowmen Chrome is because they know they're going to
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: have some of that top end talent, either from the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: rookie class or the international signing period. That's especially the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: way that Bowman kind of works, as like when Bowman releases,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: it's it's actually like a pickup of last year's draft class.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: So that's why Dylan Cruz was in like twenty twenty
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: four Browman. When you get into Bowmen Chrome later in
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: the summer, you're picking up all those international signees from
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: the January signing period in the previous offseason. So that's
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: where Dereese is coming through. And you've also I mean,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: you've got a major prospect for the Braves in Jose Perdomo,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: but both those guys are also seventeen years old, so
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: you don't know exactly where you're going to go. But
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: that's why the Bowmen Chrome checklist gets a little rough
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: on the back end for the autos, is because you
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: have a bunch of those international signees that you know
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: they're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old, that are just at
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: the beginning of their careers and you don't know which
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: way it's going to take. Plus it's just like random
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: other dudes that they've missed over the years in Bowman
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: products that I actually found recently a really great article
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: that I'll post in the show notes and everything else
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: that we've been discussing. You can find checklists and everything
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: in the show notes as well as going to rasball
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: dot com to get pictures of some of these cards
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: that we're talking about, but it's from prospects Live dot com.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: It's a.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: I want to meet whoever wrote this because they seem
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: like just our type of baseball sicko in terms of
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: the detail that this list goes into, in terms of
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: breaking down every prospect that's in the product of Bowman
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Chrome twenty twenty four, listing out whether or not they
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: have a base card an autocard, and then ranking how
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: good of a prospect they are based on both risk
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: and ceiling and like teering them out. It's very detailed,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: so it's a great guide if you are out there
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: ripping any Bowman Chrome to be able to look through
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: and see where these prospects are at. But you can
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: see in there, it's pretty rough. There aren't too many
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Tier one guys I was even looking at, like the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Cardinals one. The Cardinals one, the guy who is in
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: the auto from twenty twenty four Bowmen Chrome from the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Cardinals that has a first in this product is already cut.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: He's not in this system anymore. So I will say
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: that this list is only first, but that's who you're
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: chasing here, Like you want the first, you don't want
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: the second or third year Sebastian Walcott auto. You want
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: the first of these players. So that's what you're looking
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: at here. Do you think I'm off base with any
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: of this or are you seeing the same when you're
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: looking at the checklist in terms of just that star
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: power from the first autographs overall?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right that the very top end
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: is exciting, and there's it seems like this is very
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: true with Bowen Chrome or even Draft that the top
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say three to five are really exciting, really
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: worth it, but I'm going to say like sixty to
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: eighty percent of those are going to like be five
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: dollars autos in two years because it's such high risk,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: high reward. And then I think the other thing that's
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: just kind of to look through is to your point,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: like so many of these guys are so so far
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: away that it's it's almost impossible to project, you know,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: them being there. So I actually had had a fun
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: time looking through to see what's going on with like
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: some of the names that we actually know, guys that
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: are actually almost there, and so I'll give you give
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: you a few for fun. We got Ben Rice and
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: in this this year he's got the base only. We
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: have Emiliano Tedo from from Texas. He has I believe
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: in auto only. Ti Madden isn't there with his first
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: AUTO for this growth. And Brandon Sprote for the Mets,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: who's starting to rise up the top ten pitching prospects
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: arguably as there as well. So there's a few guys
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: in there that are in the first or first AUTO
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: discussion that have kind of made their way. And like
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: those ones are like the sneaky values to me because
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: they can actually are going to be in the majors
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: or already there with Madden and with Rice, and then
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: I think Sproke's actually not too far far behind. But yeah,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, like you go through
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: the bottomist checklist and I, you know, it makes me
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: feel like I don't know anything about baseball because I'm like,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: who is who is this guy? I'm like, I I
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: haven't heard anything about Let's see, let me just pick
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: a random name here for shin In Lynn for the Reds.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe I should have heard about them, but I have
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: no idea who that is. And I can't pronounce some
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: of the names as well, like josh Adam Szik for
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: them Brewers and I just butchered that. So it is
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: very much. And you talk about that choice box three
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: autos for three hundred bucks, and if you hit one
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: of the big names like Devrees, then wow, you are through.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: But you were just as likely to have three ten
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: dollars cards coming out of that and really be suffering
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: for unless you hit inserts and things like that, because
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: there are some fun inserts this time around and some
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: other fun legends that you can be chasing as well. Yeah.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I mean which is I'm over the retro Fractors.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: It's only been like three or four products that they've
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: been in, but I think I'm done with them just because.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Like I don't get them.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it is. And they are back again
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: this time. So the two Retrofractors. They've been doing this
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: now since Bowman Chrome last year, right that I think
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: about a year now, yep, Yeah, Bowman Chrome last year,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: then Bowman Draft then Bowman Regular this year and now
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Bowman Chrome. So in the past, you know we've had
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Babe Ruth, Roberto Clemente, Josh Gibson, Bob Gibson was one
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: of them, Pete Rose, and one more Ted Williams I
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: think is maybe who Emerson. And so this year they
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: are lou Gerig and Sandy Kofax. So the Sandy Kofax
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: ones there are autos, and so that's cool. Obviously the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: lou Girig ones aren't. And some of those other ones
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: haven't been from the past either. So for the Luke
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: gereg ones, you're just looking for the different parallels of
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: those Luke garrig quote unquote Bowman first. But this is
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: also where I think I have the issue with these
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: retro factors, is it starts to drying up pretty fast,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Like once you went through those first kind of like
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: eight ish guys, it's you start running into issues of
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: like it's cool that there's a lou garret card, but
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: who's really out there like collecting lou garrit cards modern
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Luke Garett cards that hard.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: There is a bounty technically the super Fractor, the one
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: of one super Fractor half a million, which.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: I guess, I guess, like if that's your thing, but
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense because at this point too,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: it's really gonna start falling off the cliff in terms
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: of what they're going to be doing with these retrofractors,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: because the further back you get at this point, like
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: we're one hundred years removed from the beginning of Luke
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Greg's career. That sure they are all time greats, but
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: like who truly has much of a connection to them
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: and the game that they played at this point in time,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: because it's been a long time since Luke Gregg's been
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: in the league.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: It has been I mean, I just feel like we'll
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: be like twenty twenty five, twenty six Bowm and Chrome
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: were like who wants the retrofractor of Mini Minoso or
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Gil Hodges, Like it's gonna be like a very you know,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: very specific player that's smaller following It is fun to
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: see the auto with Cofax this year, and the one
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: thing I love about it more than anything is it
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: gives us an insight into the print run of the
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: product because of the odd we actually have the odds
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: of the super fracture UH for Pillfax on the auto
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: there and since it's a one of one card, it's
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: a it's a direct uh link to your your your
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: print runs because it's only in Hobby. So I'm gonna
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: quizzy down unless you've already looked it up. How many
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Hobby packs? Uh? Because you remember if we're going through
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: packs here on the odds, how many Hobby packs are
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: there in the product this year?
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, I did see the total print run per card,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: so I have to kind of like do the math
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: back because I didn't see packs, And.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Will you do the math? Will remind everybody this is
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: a hundred card checklist for the for for your I
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: call your veterans, your non prospects, and one hundred card
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: checklists for your prospects. You got two hundred cards total
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: that you would be chasing per player in the so well,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: I gave you time to do math. I don't know
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: if you get your calculator out, but how many packs
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: are in Hobby?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: So let's see, all right, you're looking at like two
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: and a half million.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: First of all, let's go back to school. We'll work
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: on that map. And I'm actually gonna be you credit
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: here because I think you're combining the Yeah, the HDA
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: in the hobby so I know where your math went
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: wrong there, But there is one point sixty seven million
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: Hobby packs created here to the point I think that
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: there is roughly two hundred thousand, two and twenty five
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: thousand of the HTA packs as well, which you're going
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: to throw things off to degrees, so quite a few
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: things out there. So if you're chasing the superfractor there,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: you're looking for that bounty, you're going to still lose
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: mathematically there.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean absolutely, that's that is crazy. But the
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: other sort of like gimmick that I would say that
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: they've brought back now is that the new tradition is
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: on the big Bowman chrome first on the one of
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: one fifty blue refractors, to say that it's their first
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: like Bowman, so Leo Deriese did this. A bunch of
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: the other prospects have also done this, like I said,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Jose Perdomo has done this. So what they're doing on
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: that one of one fifty from the blue stack, which
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: I mean that must be like the first stack that
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: comes out when they're always signing, which is again we
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: got into this a little bit last week. I think
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: where we were talking about like it'd be great to
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: see a little bit behind the scenes of like how
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: some of this thing, this stuff happens in terms of
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: like how the players get the cards and how they
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: sign them and things like that. But they do apparently
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: sign the blue stack first or have been instructed to
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: as from the Bowman group. So the one of one
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: point fifties blue Refractor parallels for some of those big
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: prospects will on them say my first signed.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Bowman, So that is even like another.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Special level of obviously you'll have the super Fractor, but
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: you've got that first signed Bowman as well for each
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: of those players. Yeah.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's a nice little gimmick that they put
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: in there, but you have to question, like did they
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: come up with this on their own or should we
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: get all owe all the credit to Beny Montgomery, who
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: a few years ago, you know, took the card collecting
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: world by storm by just signing random things on his
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: first autos and essentially creating his own chase cards, which
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: I actually prefer a lot more than the like the
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: true like oh, this is my first Bowman, like you know,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: like hey, if I'm signed those, I'm signed like my first, second, third,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: and fourth like like I'm just I'm going down the
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: way a little bit just to mess with tops. But
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: it is, it is neat. It's a nice little like
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: you know, Easter egg per se with within the product.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: But I do want to call out a parallel to
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: you and get your thoughts on it. And I don't
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: know if you've looked at it too closely, but you know,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: earlier this year, I think it was the first introduction
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: in Bowman where they introduced color run variations. Color run
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: variations are number twenty four. It's like one in seven
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: thousand ish packs something like that. So it's supposed to
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: be a pretty unique kind of cool card. I don't
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: know if you've taken a look at this one. So
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: the ones that came out in Bowmen, they were cool.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: They were they were I mean, they went to the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: color run. It was kind of like a tied I
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: kind of blast kind of card. It was really cool.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: The ones that I've seen so far out of Bowman Chrome,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: there's only two on eBay, and that's where I'm getting
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: my really in depth information here because there's just so
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: little out there on these. There's a Jackson Merrill and
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: there's a Colton Kowser. They look like refractors to me,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: base Silver's base refractor, whatever you want to call it.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: They look like nothing except a refractor with a little
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: extra shine. And so I'm curious if you get a
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: chance to look at one of these. It's purely a
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: numbered game. It's purely like it's not an exciting card
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: because it looks literally like something they printed for years
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: and years and they just put a number out of
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: twenty four on it, Like did they phone this one in?
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: Did they mess up? Like what's going on with these things?
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: That is?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: I was wondering that too, because it's labeled that I'm
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: looking at an eBay too. So they had this in
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: chrome twenty three last year, if you recall that, like
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: cause I can see right now like a Gorman Rookie
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: card in this, and we talked about it a little
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: last year with Jordan Walker rookie cards and stuff, So
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: I think that's when they first introduced it. But there
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: was a true variation to it. Like you said, it
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: was like a Ti die neat sunburst color match that
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: really popped and it looks great. But if I was like,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: there's no way, I think that's just the regular super
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: short print, but it's got the of twenty four stamp
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: on the front of it, so I think it is
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: the color run and yeah, it I think it's just
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: the super short print image variation with a twenty four
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: stamp on it.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Is that all it is? Yeah, that's what I think.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: So like, because you're right, it was in twenty twenty
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: three and bohea chrome. I actually went back and I'm
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: looking at some of them and they are really really
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: cool cards, right, They are awesome cards, and I kind
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: of get the allure. And they were out of twenty
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: three last year. They're out of twenty four this year,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: so you know, that's another really neat aspect of it,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: but it's there. They're nothing special. They are just not
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: exciting cards, and I think that's gonna be kind of
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: a downfall of they like they missed an opportunity with these, unless,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: like I said, you get them in person and it's
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: something that you don't you can't really make come true
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: with a photo. But you know, with the numbers of
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: people are putting on the Colton Cowsers out there for
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifty dollars because these were hot cards
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: last year, there's still four or five hundred dollars cards,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: like for the big names. You know, you mentioned the
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Gorman out there. I was looking to spot fifty seventy
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: five dollars and guy's been sent back to the minors,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: so like they were highly collectible cards. But man, they
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: missed the boat this year.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, I would tend to agree if there's no color
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: to that, like with any kind of what's the point Like,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: it's just a super short print image variation with an
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: of twenty four stamped on it. So that is that. Yeah,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: we'll see if anything else comes out there. In terms
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: of other inserts, We've obviously got the whole bad of
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: other inserts that are pretty standard here with Bowman Chrome,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: So you've got your standard fall Stars checklist along with
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: your spotlights are back again, so just a new set
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: of spotlights, which it does seem like Bowman's probably not
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: going to get rid of spotlights anytime soon. That the
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: new hit, Yeah, downtown Slash home Field advantage card that's
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: going to be coming out every year. Gladiators of the
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Diamond is back.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: International impact. We have the.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Actually I was gonna say, I don't think that they
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: did the top one hundred prospects in this set, But
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: what we're looking at is also nineteen ninety nine Bowman
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: Chrome twenty fifth Anniversary of Throwbacks, which I love from
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: our boy Rich Hill's draft year. I don't think he
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: was actually in that nineteen nine nine set, But I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: don't know what it is about Like the ninety nine set,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: it's terrible, like the design, but I love it so
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: in terms of just like this is what the CC
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: Sabbathiorecki card is.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: It's just like.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about the ninety nine
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Bowmen Chrome that like every time I see it it
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: just brings back warm fuzzies. Maybe it's just because of
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: like that period of card collecting during our youth that
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: like it kind of hit that right gap in terms
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: of just like I was old enough to really remember
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: the design able to like afford a few packs of
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Bowman Chrome nineteen ninety nine, Like it was one of
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: those first like moments in my life where I was
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: like finally saving up enough money to be able to
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: spend money on cooler packs like this, and I would
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: buy like a little bit of finance and a little
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: bit of chrome here and there. And so I'm actually
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: kind of excited for these inserts for the twenty fifth
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: anniversary of ninety nine Bowmen Chrome. Along with they have
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: the international refractors that go with them too, that are
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: numbered of one hundred that will have the flag in
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: the background, and so that I think is a pretty
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: standard Bowman Chrome insert set. That's pretty cool. What do
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: you think about the ninety nine Bowman Chrome set and
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: do you have similar warm fuzzy feelings about it?
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: I absolutely do. I'm glad you mentioned the international piece
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: because I didn't see that before before we started talking
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: about that, And that's one of the things that I've
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: kind of missed about the cars, Like I thought that
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: was actually such a cool, you know twist on the cars.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Is that international variation to the cars. Like some people
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: loved them, some people didn't collect them at all. It
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: seemed like some years were really hot, others they weren't.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: But there is and I can't explain it. I think
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: you were able to either like what there's something about
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: that design from nineteen ninety nine that is just such
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: a neat design they but you know, it comes out today,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: I'd probably like this thing's terrible, Like there's some nostalgia
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: to it and it is. It's kind of like Bowman
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: tried like to jump ahead fifteen years and what they
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: were doing, and it kind of worked. And so I
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: think that this that would be a really kind of
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: cool set to maybe go collect all of them. It
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: just it does hit hit differently. Prices are gonna be
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: a little insane on those to start with. I just
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: saw that the first Paul Skeins Rookie sold for fifty
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: five dollars in that.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Insert.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: Yep, so I think things are going a little pricey
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: to begin with, so let the let the market calm down.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: It looks like the second one actually went for thirty five,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: so we're already on the cooling uh curve here, But
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: it's it's something that is a really really cool looking card.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Any other inserts there that you're really
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: looking forward.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: To, Yeah, I think I think you hit on the
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: main ones. I think there is also kind of the
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: stained glass which is really kind of a harder to
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: find insert as well that it's fun there. And then
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: the one I have to call out is and this
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: isn't my collecting, but I know there's a lot of
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: crossover collectors for the garbage pail kids and so that's
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: a very unique checklist for folks there. Garbage Frail Kids
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: is a completely non sport collectible a lot of folks
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: have adored for many years, and I don't know all
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: the history of garbage Frail Kids, but they've done a
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: great job. It's a twenty three card checklist with out
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: of five reprofractors, out of one on one superfractors. They
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: don't say how many of these there are, and so
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to guess they're a little harder to find.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: But I think it's going to be a pretty cool
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: checklist because of the crossover with other types of collectors,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: and so if you if you are a kind of
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: a multi sport or just I would say a very
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: eclectic card collector versus a very specific baseball card collector,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: I think these are going to have a lot of desirability.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: And the checklist itself is very very strong. There is
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: not a single name in here. I'm trying to pick
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: out who's like the weakest name, Maybe Justin Crawford for
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: the Phillies, maybe Pca for the Cubs. Like it. It's
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: a pretty gush darn loaded checklist as far as names,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: and if you haven't had a chance to look at
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: the cards. They are, you know, pretty pretty cool cards
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: for Bowman. So I don't know what are your thoughts,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: is garbage Trail Kids? Were you a garbage trail kids
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: collector growing up? Is this a thing for you? I wasn't.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: And they have done like some sort of crossovers like
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: this in the past, but tops where last year, I
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: know that they had a set of these, but honestly
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: they were they were just okay, they weren't quite as
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: like entertaining as this set certainly is. I think this
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: set is going to be one of the hallmarks of
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Bowman Chrome, and especially given that all
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: of these cards are short print case hits, So I
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: would say that there's probably one hundred or two hundred
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: of each of them out there.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: We'll see kind of where that settles when we kind
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: of start seeing more and more of them hit eBay.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: But especially given how many are already up and have sold,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: that like, it's got to be a few hundred of them,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 1: They did really knock this out of the park. That
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: each one of them, you can tell there was a
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: lot more thought put into each individual player and the
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: pun with their name, So they really are fantastic compared
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: to like some of the other crossovers that have come
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: out previously. So on top of it, I do think
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: that this is going to be popular enough where it
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: kind of ends up in Bowman every year the way
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: that Spotlights has, and which would be cool. Like I
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: think that was part of the problem with when they
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: did these crossovers previously is that it wasn't like a
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: limited twenty five car set and kind of had this
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: the right level of novelty factor, you know. And so
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: with this being just a limited twenty five cards, just
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: a few players and them being case hits, it really
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: bumps up that desirability. And you're also looking at some
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: of these are being rookie cards too, so like this
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Paul Skeens one is going to be I think a
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: really significant Paul Skeen's rookie card at the end of
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: the day, as well as the Jason Dominguez one and
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: the Junior Camenaro. So you've got really some fun cards
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: with some cool ARC stamps on them.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have to Yeah, I'm curious if you've
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: looked enough to pick out like who got the biggest
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: as a rough job in these because there's some there's
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: some pretty cool ones here. You've got you know, strange
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Spencer fors uh for for Spencer Jones. You've got art
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Cy Ellie for Elie de la Cruz. You've got Hearted
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Paul with Paul skeins on a pair of his shoulder.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they were thinking, but man, I
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: feel bad for Junior common Yero Rippy Jr. And it's
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: like a pick. It's like Junior common Arrow like melting,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: Like it's like it feels like, man, everybody else got
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: this kind of cool you know thing uh kin Walker
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: for Walking Jenkins. It's like a Captain America. Yeah, planted
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: p p a like literally within the ivy at Wrigley
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: like it's it's it uh socked Tristan with the red
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: sox where he's got he's like holding his socks like
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: all these like are quite quite the thing, you know.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: And then Drippy Jr. Like I'm like, sorry, Junior camin Narow,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: we ran out of ideas we got to use, So
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: I feel bad for the guy. That's that's that's gonna
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: be a rough one.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: The chopped Wood James Wood is an interesting one too.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: I I wouldn't don't know if I would be totally
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: down with that. If I was, Jane would, especially being
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: the power hitter that he is.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding. So it's it's it's it's a fun
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: cowboy Carter for Evan Carter is quite the one as well.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: So there's there's some good stuff here. To your point,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be pricey. I haven't looked at the actual
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: soul prices and the we're gonna pull it up real
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: quick here, and yeah, they're they're they're quite They're gonna
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: be quite pricey. We'll just we'll just leave.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: It thundred dollars. I think they're gonna hover there for
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: a while until we kind of get more understanding of
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: how many are out there. And I don't know whether
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: or not they will be included in the megap boxes
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: as well, So I think that's a that's a question
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: to see, like where they go because if they are
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: hobby only and they're only buried in all those Also,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: this makes even that like the HTA packs with just
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: the three autos even more interesting because like in theory,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: I understand where those tops chrome like breaker packs are
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: going in terms of all hits, you know, all refractors,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: all parallels, all color, all autos, some inserts and things
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: like that where you had a big mix and variety.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: But it does seem like a really big letdown for
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: those HTA packs that you don't get to chase any
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: of these garbage pail kids.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely right, like that's the kind of Breaker's light,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: but they're missing a key part of the breakers entertainment lighter.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: You're missing the delight all gambling, no delight.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, we spent a lot of time
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: in here, but there's one thing we haven't done here,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna, I'm I'm gonna give you the honors
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: today to go you through here. I need the run drown.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Sure, if I'm prepped, let me drink some water.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: Of the Prospect checklist parallels here, I would say they
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: didn't go too crazy out there, but there's are a
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: few unique ones that and I have to go back
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: to the plat to see if these are first time
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: they've come come through here. But I'm gonna, I'm gonna
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: toss over to you and give us the rundown on
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: all those Prospect parallels. If you don't mind. Yeah.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Well, before I get into it, I will say that
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: the base base set parallels disappointing. There's only like two, four, six, eighteen,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: there's only like twelve, Like what is that come on tops?
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Like a normal rainbow Like that's that's unheard of. Didn't
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: even repeat any colors in the rainbow for the base checklists.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: They're all individual different colors. There is aqua wave ray
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Wave one ninety nine for the base, but all the
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: rest of them are just straight color refractors that looks
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: like So. I think there'll obviously be a little more
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: mix when those mega chrome boxes come out that have
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: the mojo patterns and stuff like that, but for now,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: that's all we got. So here we go all the
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: parallels that we got for these prospects. It is Oh,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: there's some fun ones in here too. This is gonna
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: get good. We've got shimmer refractors, which are unnumbered one
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: out of twenty two regular refractors out of four ninety
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: nine speckle refractors out of two ninety nine purple refractors
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: out of two fifty purple shimmer refractors out of two
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: fifty fuchsia shimmer refractors out of one, ninety nine blue
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: refractors out of one, fifty Reptilian blue refractors out of
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: one fifty awesome. That's awesome. Ye, I'm on board with
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Reptilion aqua refractors out of one, twenty five green refractors
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: out of ninety nine green shimmer refractors out of ninety
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: nine Reptilian green refractors out of ninety nine yellow refractors
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: out of seventy five, gold refractors out of fifty gold
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: shimmer refractors out of fifty Reptilian gold refractors out of
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: fifty pearl refractors one in every ten hobby cases. So
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: those are un numbered super short prints and they come
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: in separate path. That's something that we actually haven't discussed
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: is you get pearl packs sometimes in these hobby boxes,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: and they'll have just the three cards in there. Those
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: are pretty big time that even just the pack will
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: go for quite a bit of money because it'll have
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: that super short printed pearl refractor in there. Orange refractors
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: out of twenty five orange shimmery refractors out of twenty
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: five Reptilian orange refractors out of twenty five black refractors
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: out of ten Reptilian black refractors out of ten, red
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: refractors out of five, red shimmer refractors out of five,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Reptilian red refractors out of five, superfractors.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: One out of one.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: The Beckett checklist doesn't list the printing plates, but those
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: will be in there too, so you'll have your Cayenne
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: agenta yellow and black printing plates, so those will be
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: buried in the product as well. But Reptilian refractors.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: What's your take, Yeah, I was actually trying to look
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: at some of those up. It's I'm luke. I love
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: first of all, I love the name like it's a good,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: good job on that, but that the my O c
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: D in me is a very inconsistent pattern. It's very
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: much as reptilian, right. It's one side's like deep scales
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: of what is snake and the other side is like
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: much wider. Uh. It's it's it's not doesn't work well
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: for uh ah. An O c D type of personality
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: wants everything to be very centered and even and consistent,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: and so it's a it's an interesting uh look that
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: that's for sure. But hey, I give them credit for
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: for breaking the mold of the of the ray way
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Waves and all the white wave and all the different
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: kind of versions they had and coming up with something different.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: At least there's no hot dogs or statues, liberties or
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: anything like that going around this time. So that's a
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: good thing that they didn't bring Bowman down to that. Well.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's also got to make any d backs
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: in this product, like getting the reptilian refractor rainbrow has
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: got to be like up there in terms of like
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: if you're a d Backs collector trying to get the
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: matching reptilian skin in all the.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: Black Reptilian for Diamondbacks. Ooh that yeah, okay, all right,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: I'll tell I'll get on board with that one. My
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: OCD can get over that.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: If you are a DBAX fan out there, this will
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: certainly be the product for you. Doesn't look like they
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: have too many people on the Prospects checklist. It looks
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: like actually just three so Yaseel so Layer, Adreel Radney
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: and Drew Jones. So not that hard of a little
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: kind of like mini collection to put together. That would
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: be a cool one.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: I see it in your future. I think you can
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean I think that hits the highlights
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: that I wanted to go through here on Bowman Chrome.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: Was there any other inserts, our autographs or gimmicks going
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: on that you want to maybe go over?
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: You know, I think we did a good job hit
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: in it. I'm proud of ops of fanatics that there.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: You know, we're a whole day into this one and
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: there's no controversy. I'm waiting for you, right, I mean,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like knock on wood things things have been
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: consistent here, like the production quality controls. Somebody actually showed
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: up for work for the last few days. So I'm very,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: very proud of tops. You know. Again, for for folks
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: that love prospect hunting, love going after this, there's some
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: really great names in there. Gonna be fun product. That
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: said this is this is definitely a high risk, high
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: reward product. So I would suggest sitting this one out,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: coming back here in a few months and collecting like
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety nine set if you if you may,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: going after a few those garbage pail kids, if they
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: actually get to be somewhat reasonable whatsoever, maybe grab one
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: just for your favorite team. I think there's gonna be
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun stuff in this one. At the
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: end of the day, and I think they've done a
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: good job with with bowman Or the last few years,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: trying to build up some more value underneath it for
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: them to be able to keep the price point where
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: it's at so fun set at the end of the day,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: I'm more excited for tops update after we even just
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: briefly mentioned it earlier.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially like if you are interested in Bowmen Chrome,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: like you said, I would certainly suggest sitting out this
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: round of hobby as it's just not going to be
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: a very pleasant time. I think watching your money be
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: flushed down the drain trying to open these hobby products,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: but certainly come back in on October second when those
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: makeup boxes come out. So I mean, you'll still be
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: flushing fifty bucks down the drain, but fifty bucks is
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: a lot better than three.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Hundred, very very true.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: So okay, Well, with that, we'll wrap it up for
• 1:37:44
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• 1:37:47
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• 1:37:49
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• 1:37:51
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• 1:37:55
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• 1:37:59
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• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: the season. We've got a few more weeks to go
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: out there, so hitter profiles. At this point, we are
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: previewing a little bit of twenty twenty five. We get
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: sleepers this last weekend, probably had some breakout candidates over
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: the next week or two. Just looking forward to twenty
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: twenty five. So really excited about the rest of the season. Here,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a fun ball game.
• 1:38:22
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• 1:38:24
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• 1:38:27
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• 1:38:34
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• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: So just a couple of weeks left and things have
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: really gone off the rails. I've been suggesting the likes
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: of Patrick Corbran and Andrew Ben and Tende and all
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: sorts of other really strange matchups because that's what it's
• 1:38:51
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• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: in September. Man we've been analyzing hundreds and hundreds of
• 1:38:58
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• 1:39:02
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• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Chris Martin is a top twelve al pitcher up there,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: so honestly, I don't think anybody's bought one, but one
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: day somebody will want to commemorate that. Hopefully in twenty
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: five years or so, it'll be like the Bowman Chrome
• 1:39:41
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• 1:39:44
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• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: That will be in the show notes, as well as
• 1:39:48
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• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: news notes that we discussed in the show notes, as
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: well as links to all these checklists and everything else
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: for Bowman Chrome. So yes, that will wrap us up
• 1:39:59
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• 1:40:02
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• 1:40:04
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