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JRE MMA Show #183 with Rico Verhoeven · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: Podcast check it out. But Joe Rogan Experience Trained, My Day.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Rogan Podcast, by Night, All Day.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see a champ, Yes, sir, we were just
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how long it's been. What year,
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  Speaker 1: When was the last one we did together. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was twenty seventeen, almost ten years, yeah, or maybe
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  Speaker 1: it might have been sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, yes, it was it really no one. Yeah, wow, yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 3: he's got it having like maybe we just got pushed
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  Speaker 3: it ahead a little bit, a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, man, I want to tell you that that
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  Speaker 1: fight with Usik was one of the craziest things that
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  Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. Never in my life
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  Speaker 1: did I think a guy who would go straight from kickboxing.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have any professional boxing matches? One one one professional?
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  Speaker 1: I've been boxing for fifteen years of course. Well. Also,
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  Speaker 1: you're arguably the greatest kickboxer of all time.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: And you have a fight with arguably the greatest boxer
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  Speaker 1: in the heavyweight division ever. He's in the conversation, the
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  Speaker 1: conversation if the greatest boxer in the heavyweight division ever
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  Speaker 1: and you won ten fucking rounds, man, you won ten
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  Speaker 1: rounds close to that. Yeah, I mean, I don't give
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  Speaker 1: a fuck what those judges were saying. Those judges were
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  Speaker 1: trying to say it was close, like it was almost
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  Speaker 1: like you were up. I think one of them had
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  Speaker 1: do you up by one round and but the other
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  Speaker 1: ones had a draw.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it did. I think that's.
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  Speaker 1: That's a crime. If that went to the scorecards and
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  Speaker 1: somehow know that you lost that decision, that would have
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  Speaker 1: been a crime, a crime, I know.
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  Speaker 3: And I gotta be honest, I think like we're straight
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  Speaker 3: jumping into it, so and like, uh, I think that's
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  Speaker 3: that's the hard part of it. It's like I don't
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  Speaker 3: like losing, but I don't If it happens, it happens.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that's the part that that makes it
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  Speaker 3: even harder that i've it felt so injust.
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  Speaker 1: And it felt injust. The stoppage felt injust it didn't
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  Speaker 1: seem like it made sense. But they're looking for a
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  Speaker 1: way to stop the fight exactly.
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  Speaker 3: But next to that, like you say this as a
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  Speaker 3: combat sports commentated for years and praying you've been doing
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  Speaker 3: You've been in the sport for so many years, and
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  Speaker 3: all other professional boxers and commodators et cetera. They all
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  Speaker 3: see the fight a certain way like you saw it,
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  Speaker 3: like how I experienced it, and then when we look
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  Speaker 3: at the scorecards, we get like a totally different fight,
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  Speaker 3: like what what is going on that? And that is
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  Speaker 3: for me where the toughness is of the whole experience.
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  Speaker 1: Right, it's very difficult to accept. And if you had
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  Speaker 1: lost by decision, it would have been insanitay, and we've
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  Speaker 1: seen those insane decisions before and I never know what's
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  Speaker 1: going on, you know. I don't want to think it's corruption,
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  Speaker 1: but it's almost worse if it's in competence. If you
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  Speaker 1: have someone who's judging a fight which is like the
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  Speaker 1: most pivotal fight arguably of your career. You think about
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  Speaker 1: how long you've been raining as a heavyweight champion of
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  Speaker 1: kickboxing for like a decade, which is crazy. At the
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  Speaker 1: highest level, especially at the heavyweight division, it is so
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  Speaker 1: hard to stay at the top. Nobody does everybody's like
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  Speaker 1: even in the UFC, it's like won two fights and
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  Speaker 1: then they fall off. If you do be the heavyweight
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  Speaker 1: champion and have fucking wars like Jamal Benzediq that fight,
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  Speaker 1: like some of these fights that you had wars and
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  Speaker 1: to come out on top every single fucking time, and
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  Speaker 1: then you have this enormous fight and you have terrible judging,
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  Speaker 1: terrible judging, and it's like it's almost worse if it's
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  Speaker 1: in competence, because if you've got these people that don't
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  Speaker 1: know what they're watching and they're calling like their eyes,
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  Speaker 1: their decision makes a difference about whether it's a W
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  Speaker 1: or an L, and it doesn't make any sense. It's
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  Speaker 1: not fair, it's not right. I think at this point
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  Speaker 1: in time, they should really seriously consider having alternative scoring.
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  Speaker 1: I think there should be more. One of the things
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  Speaker 1: I like about Glory is that Glory has more than
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  Speaker 1: three judges. What are they have four or five?
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  Speaker 3: Five?
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  Speaker 1: I think five is the right number. I think three
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  Speaker 1: is too few because you could have two people fuck
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  Speaker 1: it up and one person gets it right and then
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  Speaker 1: but if you have two more judges, the odds are
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  Speaker 1: they're going to get it right too. They're usually the
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  Speaker 1: people that fuck it up. It's the minority.
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  Speaker 3: But if you ask me, like next to us as
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  Speaker 3: athletes putting our health on the line, which makes it
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  Speaker 3: very very hearting to cope with, but also for the
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  Speaker 3: people watching to fight right, it's like it like you said,
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  Speaker 3: it feels in just and I definitely feel like, especially
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  Speaker 3: in the time that we're in now, everybody wants transparency.
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  Speaker 3: If we look at the World Cup that just finished,
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  Speaker 3: like even there, when something happens, the referee is still
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  Speaker 3: a person. He can make a mistake. He can look
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  Speaker 3: at the file and he's like, I saw it this way.
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  Speaker 3: But now what they're doing. They're looking at the var
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  Speaker 3: they're looking at the cameras and multiple people are looking
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  Speaker 3: at it and like, hey, we can interpret it the
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  Speaker 3: rules like this because this happened. We can see this
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  Speaker 3: and this is wrong. So even it's going to be
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  Speaker 3: a card or it's going to be a penalty or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: there is this is what's happening. But within this situation,
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  Speaker 3: it's just like if you ask me, and it's still possible.
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  Speaker 3: It's a human being. The referee made a mistake, and
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  Speaker 3: that is possible, but they're should be people or a
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  Speaker 3: situation where it's like, hey, sorry, ref but you made
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  Speaker 3: a mistake. This is this wasn't the right call, so
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  Speaker 3: we can overturn it in spirit a second.
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  Speaker 1: The only thing that's really hard to do with that
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  Speaker 1: subjectively is fight stoppages because sometimes at least an m
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  Speaker 1: m A a referee sees things in a fighter that
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  Speaker 1: you might not see things watching on television or sitting
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  Speaker 1: at my seat as a commentator. A referee will see
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  Speaker 1: guy's eyes roll back in his head. He'll see something
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  Speaker 1: that I don't see, and I'll go, oh, I thought
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  Speaker 1: that was a little quick. And then but they're right
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  Speaker 1: on top of it. They see, they see certain things
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  Speaker 1: that you might not be able.
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing we uh, I appeal it, I appeal
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  Speaker 3: it m and and everything we appealed upon we got.
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  Speaker 3: They said, like, you guys were right. We got stopped
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  Speaker 3: after the bell, yes, the right after the after the stoppage,
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  Speaker 3: the doctor's I wasn't disorientated. I didn't have no concussion
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  Speaker 3: or whatever symptoms. So everything everything we got, they they're like, no,
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  Speaker 3: you're right, you're right, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: But they never overturned. Also, how would they overturn it?
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  Speaker 1: Would they go to the judges' scorecards. And if they
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  Speaker 1: did go to the judge scorecards, what would it be
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  Speaker 1: a majority draw? Because if if you are down or
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  Speaker 1: you're you're even on both cards and then up on one,
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  Speaker 1: and then did they count the knockdowns in the final round,
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  Speaker 1: because if they did, you might have lost that fight,
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  Speaker 1: which is even crazier.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. But then but then you have something like, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 3: let's look at the scoring cards again. And that's like
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  Speaker 3: another that other people and other judges look at the
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  Speaker 3: scorecards and look at the fight and score it again.
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  Speaker 3: Because well, here's.
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  Speaker 1: Why you make any sense. Here's where you know it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It was the most competitive fight of Usik's career as
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  Speaker 1: a heavyweight champion. Yeah, and they're not even talking at
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  Speaker 1: all about match. No, that's kind of crazy, right, you're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna crazy. They're saying Deontay Wilder, which all loved
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  Speaker 1: it Deontay, But Deontay is not Deontay Wilder of two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and nineteen. No, he's a different guy.
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  Speaker 3: Now that's a good that's a good thing that you
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  Speaker 3: just brought that up, because before this fight, you heard
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  Speaker 3: the whole conversation. Okay, we're gonna do Rico after that,
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  Speaker 3: I want to fight the winner of Dubois Wardley, and
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  Speaker 3: after that, I want to fight Tyson Fury again. The
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  Speaker 3: other two you're not in the conversation anymore. So, without
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  Speaker 3: taking too much credit for it. I think like with
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  Speaker 3: this fight, he saw like, hmm, this was a little
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  Speaker 3: harder than I expected. So let's take it. Let's take
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  Speaker 3: a different route. And for me, I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: rematch just to have the rematch. I would like the
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  Speaker 3: rematch because it makes sense. There's a story within this remax.
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  Speaker 3: It's huge, and it's something that it is unfinished business.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and it's a Rocky store. It live rock store
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  Speaker 1: on hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why for me where I'm looking at now,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like in the fall of my or maybe in
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  Speaker 3: the winter of my career as an athlete, and I
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  Speaker 3: just want to do big fights that makes sense. And
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  Speaker 3: then you're like, ooh, this is what I want to knowing.
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  Speaker 1: That as a promoter, what makes more sense than that fight?
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  Speaker 1: The Deontay Wilder fight. Again, all respected Deontay. I love
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  Speaker 1: that guy. It's one of the greatest n in the
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  Speaker 1: history of the headweight division. He's not the same guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's not the same guy for whatever reason. It happens
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  Speaker 1: to everybody. Right, I think he's forty now, right, it
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  Speaker 1: happens to everybody. You just got off of a crazy
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  Speaker 1: performance and the whole world got to see it. If
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  Speaker 1: any fight warrants a rematch, it's that fight. That fucking
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  Speaker 1: rematch would be gigantic. It would be so huge. It's
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  Speaker 1: the ultimate Rocky story. I was watching that fight on
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  Speaker 1: the edge of my see the fight starts, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: how's this gonna go down? How's this going to go down?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, WHOA. First of all, I'm like, holy ship,
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  Speaker 1: Rico's fucking huge. He realized how big you are. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, Usik is a cruiserweight. He's a cruiserway to
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  Speaker 1: put on. He could still make cruiser if he wanted to,
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  Speaker 1: wanted to get really lean, he could still make a
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  Speaker 1: cruiser easily. You're way better, bigger than him. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: that's a giant factor. And then it's your experience, your
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  Speaker 1: World championship level experience. You've been in so many big fights.
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  Speaker 1: So it looks so calm and so relaxed and so
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  Speaker 1: in the moment, and I was like, holy shit, he
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  Speaker 1: might pull it off. And then it got into like
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  Speaker 1: the third, fourth and fifth round. I'm like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: see this changing. I'm like, this is crazy.
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  Speaker 3: If you're the commentators, they were like, Okay, Rico's moving
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  Speaker 3: a lot, and he's fainting and he's doing this and
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  Speaker 3: he's doing that, but how long can he keep this up?
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  Speaker 1: Well, they don't know about your car exactly.
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  Speaker 3: There was there was one commentator that that they also
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  Speaker 3: commentated for Glory.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Alster Closter was there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was also there. He was also there. But
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  Speaker 3: the commentator for Glory that he knew like that Cardio wise,
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  Speaker 3: I live in the gym, that's what. And you know
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  Speaker 3: as well, like I love this, so I don't. I'm
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  Speaker 3: never gonna lose on on cardio because then I lose
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  Speaker 3: for myself.
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  Speaker 1: So you're an anomaly in terms of like two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and sixty pound men. There's very few guys that are
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  Speaker 1: as big as you to push a pace like you did.
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  Speaker 1: So I wasn't when they were saying that. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: you got you know, you guys don't understand what you're
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  Speaker 1: saying here. I's gonna be able to do this all
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  Speaker 1: night long. Yeah, and you know, credit to Usik for
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  Speaker 1: finally catching you and rocking you. But the fight was
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  Speaker 1: stopped too quickly. It just was and you were still Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you got in a world championship fight. That's that close.
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  Speaker 1: If it's just not even really that close, you were
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  Speaker 1: that far ahead. You got to give someone a chance.
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  Speaker 3: But let's let's let's reverse it. Let's what if he
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  Speaker 3: was in this position.
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  Speaker 1: There's no weather would stop that fight, no way. Look,
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  Speaker 1: it's either incompetence or corruption, and I tend to think corruption.
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  Speaker 1: This is like, I think these guys want to keep
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  Speaker 1: judging fights and they want the favor of the promoters,
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  Speaker 1: and the money is in Usik. Usik is a huge name,
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  Speaker 1: He's a he's their big star in the heavyweight division.
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  Speaker 3: They don't want like a guy coming in from different
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  Speaker 3: sports and one professional box exactly and making the biggest
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  Speaker 3: making the biggest outset in boxing history. That would be Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that would be pretty crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It really almost was the biggest upset in boxing history.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it was crazy. It was really crazy to watch, man.
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  Speaker 1: But you were the perfect guy to do it because
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  Speaker 1: of the pace thing, because of the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: are so big and you can push that insane pace
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  Speaker 1: and keep it up for.
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  Speaker 3: That game plan wise, we were so smart on the
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  Speaker 3: game plan. We did something that he has not seen before,
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  Speaker 3: that he has not experienced before. Even though he fought
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  Speaker 3: the best boxes in the world, but all the boxes
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  Speaker 3: what they were trying to do is out box the
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  Speaker 3: hefyweight boxers. We're trying to outbox a cruiserweight. How in
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  Speaker 3: the hell are you going to do that? He's lighter,
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  Speaker 3: he's smaller, and he's faster, So how are you gonna supertechnic? Exactly? So,
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  Speaker 3: how are you gonna outbox him?
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  Speaker 1: Did you?
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  Speaker 3: You just gotta have a super strong game plan, and
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  Speaker 3: that's what we had.
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  Speaker 1: So what when you looked at it when you first
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  Speaker 1: got the offer? First of all, how far out did
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  Speaker 1: you get the offer? How far out away from the fight?
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  Speaker 1: How much time did you prepare?
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  Speaker 3: Well? Did you?
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  Speaker 1: Did? You? Do?
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  Speaker 3: You know the story how I got into this whole thing? No, okay,
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  Speaker 3: it's a crazy story. Okay, let me tell you. So
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  Speaker 3: it all started with the Canelo Crawford fight and Jason
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  Speaker 3: Statham is a good friend of mine and I saw
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  Speaker 3: he was in Vegas for that fight. So I texted
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  Speaker 3: him It's like, Yo, you're that for that fight? Oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, Yeah, this is gonna be crazy. So we
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  Speaker 3: went back and forth. It's like yeah, bro, So he
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  Speaker 3: told me, brother, you need to be in boxing, because
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  Speaker 3: he was at the tournament when I did the eight
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  Speaker 3: man tournament a few years ago, and so he comes
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  Speaker 3: to my fights and he's like, oh, you you gotta
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  Speaker 3: be you gotta be in here. You got to kill
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  Speaker 3: these guys. I said, yeah, yeah, I think I could
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  Speaker 3: do pretty good. He's like, you know what, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: throw it out there and let's see what happens. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So that was let me see. There was Vegas time
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  Speaker 3: during the day, so Amsterdam time, it was nighttime. So
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  Speaker 3: the next morning, I'm on the treadmill. I'm running the
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  Speaker 3: phone ring Jason so yo, bro, I'm on the trap.
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  Speaker 3: But let me call you back. Listen. I put your
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  Speaker 3: name out there, I showed your videos and they're going crazy.
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  Speaker 1: They want you.
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  Speaker 3: So I jumped off. I was like, what do you mean.
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  Speaker 3: They said they want to do something. They're gonna call you.
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  Speaker 3: I gave them your contact, like okay. So that's that's
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  Speaker 3: how it started. A few days later, they called me Rico,
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  Speaker 3: we want you to fight blah blah. We love what
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  Speaker 3: you do and we want you to fight Anthony Joshua.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, let's go. I'm ready for this opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: But I was on the set of Roadhouse two. So
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  Speaker 3: they was like oh, now we gotta combine everything by
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  Speaker 3: trainer coming in like during yeah, during takes, and like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we do some padwork and then finally we were supposed
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  Speaker 3: to fight in February, so I think the deal came
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  Speaker 3: around October October November, so I had like around ten
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  Speaker 3: ten good weeks to train and then finally I finished
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  Speaker 3: off the movie in December and he but in between,
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  Speaker 3: Joshua got the offer to fight Jake Paul for a
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  Speaker 3: crazy amount of money. He was like, of course I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna do that. And then after that, I'm gonna gonna
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  Speaker 3: do the Rico fight. Perfect, Okay, he does the Jake
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  Speaker 3: Paul fight. Well, that went like low would win, and
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  Speaker 3: then they reached out like can we push the fight
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  Speaker 3: a little bit instead of February to March. Like I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: The more time I get, the better to train to
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  Speaker 3: to transition into boxing. So that happened, and then the
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  Speaker 3: end of the year, like two weeks later, that tragic
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  Speaker 3: accident happens, so there was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah we're talking about Anthony josh Yeah, he was in Africa.
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  Speaker 1: Terrible car accident, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Terrible, So that derailed that whole situation. But I had
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  Speaker 3: a whole training plan schedule. I was going to Spain
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  Speaker 3: to train there for a month, but I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: what was going to happen, so I just did what
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  Speaker 3: I had to do and I just continued training, so
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't spaying training, training, training, And then at the
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  Speaker 3: end of that training camp, they we were talking about
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  Speaker 3: it and they said like, yeah, we don't think And
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  Speaker 3: also with with with his manager Eddie Hearn, like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if he's going to be back soon. So
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  Speaker 3: what do you want to do? You want to wait
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  Speaker 3: or you want to fight, Like I'm already training, so
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  Speaker 3: I would like to fight somebody, But we don't know
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  Speaker 3: what makes sense. No, let's think about it. So we
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  Speaker 3: thought about We thought about it. They thought about it.
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• 17:41
  Speaker 3: And then we were talking about, hey, what about what
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: about OOSK? Does that make sense?
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Was it your Yeah?
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: It was our idea. I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Why not because he's the he's the tough dog. He's
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: like undisputed key boxing champion versus the undisputed boxing champion.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Likes a story there. Yeah, it's like, let's just throw
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: it out there. Let's see what they say. Okay, pick
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: up the phone and call them. Yeah, yeah, guys, Yeah,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: we have an idea. So I pitched him the whole
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: idea undisputed for undisputed silence. Oh my god, what what
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: did I just do? Then the first thing I hear back,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: we love it? Whoa? I said, okay, what does that mean?
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: What does that mean?
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: So?
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Uh that I said, you know what, We're going to
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: talk to SIS team and we're gonna come back to you.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: So like, and then in two weeks they went to
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Usik Usik loft the idea as well. So again big
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: shout out to him for taking that fight as well,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: because he had hundreds of options and he took this
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: fight outside the box. So I love it also to
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: uh to his excellency Turkeyla Shike for setting this whole
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: thing up.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: He set up so many so important, super.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Super much respect for both of them, and thankful also
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: to Jason of course, were setting this whole thing up, yeah,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: and getting me into yeah, getting me into the conversation.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: And then like so that was after two weeks and
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: then two weeks later we were on a FaceTime call
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: for like a minute, and yeah, after that they got
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: it done, and then and then then afterwards they said like, oh,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a title fight, and then the whole
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: world went crazy, of course, like oh my god, how
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: is this guy gonna go for a Will Tiele fight?
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense. I was just like, le
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: let's go it. Shot the world.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's not like you hadn't had a
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: lifetime of striking. It's only the difference is removing the kicks.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what the thing is like the boxing fans, the
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: straight up boxing fans, they're not too much into M
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: M A and they're definitely not into kickboxing, so they
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: had no clue. They had no clue of like, right, right,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: who is this guy? What did he do? And that's why.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Also the WBC, they also had their more tie department,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: so for them it made sense. It's like, hey, we Goo,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: with his credentials and what he did into in kickboxing,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: it makes sense to make it a world championship fight.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: But we just have to tell the people.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it drives me nuts. As a fan
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: of combat sports, is also a giant fan of kickboxing.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: The kickboxing does not get the love that it deserves
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: in America. It doesn't make any sense because in MMA,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the casual fans love stand up and when fights go
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to the ground they boo. So it makes no sense
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to me how you have boxing huge MMA huge. Kickboxing
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: almost non existent in America. There's no big kickboxing.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Leagues because they they want to see, yeah, their own
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: people win. Maybe no, No, it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Just hasn't been promoted, right. It doesn't make any sense.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: It makes no sense because their own people don't win
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: in MMA. I mean, there's very few American champions. There's
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Justin Gaetchee and Sean Strickland, and they.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Have at least they're really competitive and in kickboxing they're right.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: That's true, but we don't care honestly in the in MMA, no,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, Alex Pereira was the biggest star in the sport.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, But Brazilian doesn't speak English from only speaks
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Portuguese and whatever other language is tribal language. And so
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: then you have Islama Katschev's fighting next weekend, huge star
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: you know from Dakistan that no one in America. All
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: they care, are you the baddest motherfucker on earth? That's
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: all they care. And I really genuinely believe that if
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: someone came along, like I really wish ZUFA would do it,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: because they're doing it with boxing, they should do with kickboxing,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: because kickboxing or muy time, whichever they decide. You know,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I think is the most exciting stand up sport in
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the world. I don't think it's even close. I love Glory.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I fucking watch it all the time. I watch all
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the events. It's so exciting, man, it's so fun, and
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the fights are so chaotic and if you're a fan
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: of brutal, brutal and technical at the same time, I mean,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: some of the most amazing fights. I mean, that's how
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I knew about Perero's because I was such a huge
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: fan of Glory when I when it came over to
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the UFC, I was like everyone's fucked. I'm like, you
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: don't understand everyone's fucked. This guy's different, man is he's different?
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: But it was because I knew him so much from
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: kickboxing and he was so exciting in kickboxing. Like kickboxing
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: should be huge in America. It should be, It really
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: should be.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: And it's it's a part of MMA.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: So I think a lot of a giant part of MMA.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: The most exciting part of MMA is the kickboxing. For sure,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: makes no sense. It's a it's a it is an
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: untapped market. There's somebody figured it out and dove in
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and made it. It would be gigantic. It would have
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to be like the UFC though, because you have to
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: have the kind of publicity machine, the kind of media
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: machine that the UFC has to build up the stories
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: and show these guys and show like all the champions.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: But I think that's in every big fight and every
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: big organization is where the strength is is the storytelling. Yes,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: that is where I think where and also if you
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: ask me, like when I was in Glory, where it
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: lacked on experience, like the storytelling, right, where does this
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: guy come from? What is his background? And like you
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: want to get to know the person instead of just
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: like the guy that throws punches and gigs exactly.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: The UFC does an awesome job with that. They have
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a whole series called Embedded, So like next week when
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the I and Gary is a on a Cachet fight
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: takes place, they're going to have one on Monday. So
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you get up a Monday morning, it'll be there on
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: YouTube and everybody will watch it and they're like, oh shit,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you watched that one. And then you watch the one
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: on Tuesday. You see them training, see him eating, see
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: him in the sauna, cutting way, you see him doing
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: all their press stuff. You see him. You get hyped. Man,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you get.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Hyped, but you get drawn into like, oh, this is
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: the guy behind the fighter, and I think that's so
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: much more interesting.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: And then they have the Countdown show, which is an
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: hour countdown shows like highly produced and all this different stuff,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: interviews and conversations with their family. It's fucking amazing and
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: it just gets you so jazzed up for the fight.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: If the UFC did something like that with kickboxing, I
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: think it will be gigantic. You know, they tried Glory
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: in America for a while. It was doing pretty good
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: on Spike TV. Remember they had the Last Man's Standing
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Tournament in Los Angeles. I went to that. It was awesome.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: It's just it just never fucking caught on.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: No, you know, it was. It was hard, it was
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: it's too bad. So and then after the last few
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: years we were just in Europe, more in the Netherlands.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: That's where we Yeah, England one is doing a good
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: job with kickboxing, and.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you don't know, but yeah, I know
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: about them, but I don't know at all.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: In the lighter weight divisions because they get a lot
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: of guys from Thailand and a lot of guys from Japan.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: They're more Asian based right then.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, more Asian based, but they have a a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: lot of stand up fights now, a lot of like
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: either they have muy Thai with MMA gloves on, yeah,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: in a cage brutal, and then they're also having kickboxing
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: in a cage and kickboxing in a ring. They mix
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: it up be yeah, I mean, I personally think the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: ring is better, I really do, because I think that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of weird stuff with the cage, you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: like the cage, especially with m m A. I don't
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: like it because you could. You could use it to
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: get back up. You can like get your back against
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: it and pull yourself back up. He would also use
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it to take people down. It's harder to take people
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: down with the ring, I believe.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's why it's good for me now, Like, yeah.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: There was a talk about you fighting Derek Lewis. Yeah
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I remember that, and then you got this the offer
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: to box, and it was so much money.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's where it started. So yeah, so
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: we were in talks because I was a free agent.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I vacated the belt.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: How many MMA fights you have you at least one
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: wanted one?
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Just one. I did some graph like years ago,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: but I just have one wonder a professional MMA fight.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: So so after that vacating my my belt, I was
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: a free agent. So we were like, okay, let's yeah,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: dip our toes in different water. Let's see. Yeah, let's
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: see what's what's on the landscape.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Now, Why did you decide to vacate the belt? Because
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you had done everything you needed to. You cleaned out
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the division.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I did it all. So I was like I wanted
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I wanted it to make sense. And first we we
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: we talked within the organization of like, hey, I'm looking
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: to do big stuff, different stuff, so like crossover evans,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: because that was getting more and more talked about, like
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: the big crossoverfings, and I think, yeah, in my opinion,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I am one of the baddest men on the planet.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: So it made sense to do it. But then yeah,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: within the organization, management wrong management, like we just yeah,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: didn't get it. We just didn't get to a place
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: where it worked out. So I was like, okay, let
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: me just leave it. Then, so I left it, and
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: then we talked with UFC to see, yeah, what was
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: going on there. But then yeah, I got the other
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: offer and it made more sense.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Now was the other offer of one contract fight a
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: one fight contract, so you're free.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I'm a free agent together. Wow, So and that's why.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Was there any conversation at all about a rematch.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right away, his excellency came into the ring and
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: he said, you're gonna fight this guy again. That's the
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: first thing he said. But Cobble also came into the ring,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: the WBC interim champion and now the champion because uh
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Usik vacated the belt as well, so he also wanted
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: his shot. So there was like a lot of talk
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: and like at that moment, I was there, but it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: just like I don't know. It was chaos, yeah, chaos,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: And for me, I was just like, wow, did this they.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Just fucked it?
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just really just happened. And it took. It
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: took me like at least six weeks before I watched
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: the fight back for the very first time. After the fight, wow,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: because it's it still hurts so so yeah. So now
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I'm like a free agent and we we got so
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: many we got so many offers.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Now what is it like watching it and watching the
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: fight get stopped after the bell?
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: It still hurts, It still hurts. I'm like, wow, what
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: what did you What did you want want me to do?
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Do you want me to move around? Did you want
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: me to to punch back or whatever? For me, like
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: you know, I've been in trouble multiple times within my
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: world title kickboxing fights. I was behind multiple times and
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I still came on came out on top. So there
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: was for me, there's no conversation in like Okay, could
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: he continue? Is he going to continue? I never stop.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: They don't know you exactly. Thing is the conditioning thing,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: like your conditioning is so good. You bounce back so quick,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and there's been so many times where guys try to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: empty the tank to put you out. Yeah, and you're
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: not going nowhere.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: No, And it was just a few seconds, and a
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: referee should know that. So next to that, like with
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: all the experience you know that I have within the
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: combat sports, like it's just a few seconds, let it
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: go and let me at least give me the opportunity
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: and give defense the opportunity to see that twelve round
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: So oh, it'd have been so excited. Yeah, oh my god.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: But also looking now looking back at it, because there
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: was also open scoring. And I love open scoring because
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: within that gives you the right position and gives the
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: fighters the position like okay, where are where where we're
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: standing within this fight? But now look looking back at
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: the fight after eight rounds, because after every four rounds
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: we hear what the scoring is. After eight rounds, my
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: trainer Peter Fury says, Okay, we gotta really start winning
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: these rounds. Now. I was like, I was like, am
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I hearing this right? I feel like I'm already winning
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: these rounds. He said, no, we're equal. We're equal on
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: the scorecards. After eight rounds, So I was like, okay,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: So in the ninth round.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Like even the commentator so like what.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. But then I really started pushing even more.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: But I was pushing already. But if you know, you're
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: like eight or seven rounds ahead and you feel like
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: you're getting tired, the last two or three rounds, just
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: move around, yeah, tip tap, and maybe you lose them,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: maybe it's a draw or whatever. And then still you
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: win because you were like five rounds ahead. Then it
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. But now we had to keep
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: pushing and then oh, it's like walking straight to the uppercut.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Like still it still gets me. Oh when I look
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: back at it, it's like, oh, and then that last part,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: that's what I find so hard, and I feel like
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I need to work on that as a as a
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: human being. For myself as a person, I can only
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: look at that at that one mistake I felt I
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: made at the end because I gave them the opportunity
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: to pull this card. That's what that's that's how it
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: feels for me.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Mistake being that you push too hard or.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: The mistake like there was one mistake that I made
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: running into that uppercut, like walking straight in swinging, and
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: we said in the in the in the whole prep,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I tried that a few times, like, oh that's dangerous,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: don't do that, would do sick. And still, for whatever reason,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I did that at that exact moment, And that that's
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: what what frustrates me if I look back at it,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: because I'm only I'm not looking at what he did well,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: because that upper cup was amazing. I'm just looking at
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: what I what I'm responsible for, and I'm responsible for
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: myself and I gave them now this opportunity by making
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: that mistake, and that's like, oh, so hard to get
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: over that for myself. But I need to work on
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: that because I had the same with the Jamal Ben
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Sadik fight with the eye. Everybody's like, oh, Rico, you
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: showed them you're never giving up of it. But I
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: know I got that. I know I got that from
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: the inside. But I never have to show that because
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: the skill set is so so big that I don't
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: get in I don't get in trouble, so I don't
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: have to show that I can continue and never giving up.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: But I can only look at that, Oh, that one mistake,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Why did I do that? Then I get the eye.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: You're so stupid, so I can only look at that. Yeah,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: it's that guy.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Fucking punch is hard. Yeah, and he's a big fella.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's bigger than I am.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Jamal ben Sidik is huge, powerful, powerful.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: So that's uh that that's hard for But I gotta
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: work on that for myself.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, but that's also why you're great. Yeah, I
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: mean you have to. You have to hate mistakes, hate
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: them like they're poison.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah they are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you got your idea. Yeah.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: You should have seen me after the fight, like I was.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I was like a big baby. I was crying in
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: my my hotel room like a big big baby. Was like,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: oh my god, I was so close and like shocking
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: the world, and now this happened. It was like, oh,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: it hurts so bad.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Extent, but at least you could laugh at it a
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: little bit. Now. Yeah, I can only imagine.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: No.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: To me watching it as a fan of yours, I
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, he's gonna fucking pull it off. Yeah.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I was on the edge of my seat. And when
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: we're going into the ninth and tenth rounds, I was like,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I don't see how USA can win, And then when
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: they started talking about the scorecards, I was like, what
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the fuck are they watching this?
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: They're looking at a different fight. But that's so.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: But for me, either corruptor competent.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if I look at it now, and for us
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: talking about it, and for you being so long into
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: combat sports and being a commentator and doing it yourself,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: wouldn't it be something. Wouldn't you be maybe a spokesman
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: or a part Could you be a part of a
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: way how we can make this whole judging thing and
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: this whole transparency better.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I think one way to do it is to
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: have more judges like Glory does. I think five is
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: probably the right number. And I think another thing to
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: do is maybe have a bunch of people online that
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: are recognized experts, like top trainers, top commentators, people that
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: really understand the sport, and maybe they get an app.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's like a special app that those guys can
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: judge on, so you have a collective expert opinion and
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you get to look at that as well.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: But that's what we had now. Like if if you
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: look the professionals, the trainers, the commentators, they all saw
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: the fight a certain way. But the judges saw something totally.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: They were looking at a different fight for some kind
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: of reason. And that's that's crazy.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: A problem. Like we talked about, it's either incompetence or
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: its corruption, and I think it might be a little
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: bit of both. And I think maybe the corruption isn't
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: even conscious. But it's like they know who the promoter
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: wants to win. They want Usik to win because Usik
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: is where you can get the next Tyson Fury fight
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: or the Anthony Joshua, well not Anthony Joshua, but whoever
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: he would decide to fight, you know. Again, And now
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: it's going to be Deontay Wilder, which nobody's calling for.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's going to happen.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Where is that signed? Can you please find out if
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: that Anthony Joshua or excuse me, the Deontay Wilder Alexander
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Usik fight is signed because people were talking about that
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: being I think they were saying like December or something.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: They were trying for it. At least I know that's
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: what that's what they were trying for or but for me,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: like that's why for not it's.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Not officially signed yet? Okay, clean to his Excellency Turkey.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I'll shake. This is the fight. But here's the question.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Does Usik want that fight? That's the question. I have
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: a really tough fight like that fight, and then you
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: know they ask you to do it again. This is
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: your last time out, he's calling. I mean, this is
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: he's called this is his last fight. If this is
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the last fight and he almost lost to you and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: he has the potential of losing again, they don't have
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: to entice him with they don't have to.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Paper you pull out that pay if I lose is
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: what it is exactly. That's why it's so good for
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: me now to be in this position. I'm a free agent.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: We got offered from the biggest organizations across the world
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: like after this fight, and I'm just like taking taking
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: my time.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: They've given you. That's exciting. Can you talk about them?
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: No? Really no, no, yeah, they know a lot.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Of people talked about you possibly boxing Francis and Ghano
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: or having an MMA fight with Francis and Ghana. So
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: was that on the table.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah? No, So to be honest, like two weeks before
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: the Usik fight, there was the the m v P card, right,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: but then they approached me like weeks before MVP to
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: MMA versus Francis, and then I was also like right
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: on the edge of like closing the deal with K
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: and so I had the two options on the table,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: and yeah, to be honest, like the the other the
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: the the mm A deal, like they kept on like
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: stacking up, stacking up, like we got like, okay, where
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: did we give you the h okay? But what if
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: you give you the Okay? Let me look at this
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: option again. But then yeah, I just looked myself in
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: the mirror, like I respect his excellency, and Jason gave
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: his word, and his excellency gave his word that they
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: were gonna do it. And if I look at myself,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at the legacy and that Francis Nagano fight
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: is still going to be there after the USIK fight.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: But how crazy is that as a kickboxer coming in
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: fighting for a world championship within boxing and potentially winning,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: because that's how I. I only have one one plan
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: and that's winning. So that's how I went into that fight.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: And you know, we saw how that went.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: And there was genuine kick him No not really, not
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: at all, No, just a few low kicks because that
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: he's definitely not going to make make.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: It to the end.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: That was so funny because everybody's like, you've been kickboxing
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: for so long, Like what happens if you had kicked him?
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Like just like don't you have that feeling? Like like,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: guy's like I've been boxing next to doing kickbox seems
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: like four fifteen years or something. I've been working with
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Peter Fury for so long, and I'm used to this.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: But I know, for I think that's what made me
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: such a good kickboxer as well that I was into boxing.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: But there's a giant difference between working with a kickboxer
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and even being a kickboxer and fighting arguably the greatest
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: heavyweight of all time. Crazy.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: But the crazy thing was I think I think it
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: was around five or six. I was like he was
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: jabbing me. I was just taking it away, and I
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: was like, I was like talking to myself in the fight,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: I'm like, am I out jabbing the jamp?
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: This is crazy?
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: And you're training my train to Dennis, we go, just
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: keep doing what you're doing. You're winning this fight. Let's go,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Let's go, Let's go, he said, because he also didn't
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: want me to take too many risks. Like, Okay, you
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: won this round and then continue from them because that's
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: how they were experiencing it, the and the rounds on
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: the side.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, when you first started
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: formulating a game plan, did you watch a bunch of
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're already a fan of usis you watch
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: but did you rewatch them and try to find the patterns?
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: How did you formulate this game plan?
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Of course, uh, with the yeah. My trainer Peter Fury
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: h with the hes. Yeah, he's crazy. He's the very,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: very very bet best at what he does, and we
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: were just like analyzing these fights like so first he
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: already had the thing in his mind and he asked
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: me like, what do you see all these boxers do
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: and what they shouldn't be doing, and what do you
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: think they should do? So I look at it, I
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: look at it, look at it, and I think it
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: basically started with if somebody is a south bowle, why
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: would you stay right in front of them? That's one thing,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: And because you cannot go if somebody's orthodox, you move
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: to the right, But you cannot move to the right
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: with a south ball because you walk he straight into
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: a left hand. So why is nobody moving to the left,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: because then as soon as you move to the left,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: you're walking away from that strong arm. I think. And
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: that's what we said. He's act exactly, which is crazy.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: It's just so many people are so stuck in their patterns.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: The way they like to move. They like to move
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to their right, that's what they like. They feel good,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: they want to move to the right and throw a
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: right hand, but yours running into that powerhand. It's just
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: crazy that. It's not just that too, it's also the
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: size difference. Like that was one thing. It's like you
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: were so big in that ring that you were smothering
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: him and you're on top of him and you're throwing
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: those shots in tight.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: But the decumbination of those two getting him out of
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: that position took away so many, so many of his tools.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: And then, like you said, smothering and getting into him
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: and using my size because if you ask me, like
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: all the guys he fought are way they're they're my size.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: They're way bigger than him. But because the way they fought,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: they couldn't use their size on him. But the way
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I did it, I could.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Tyson Fury did a lot. He used his size a lot,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you know, and he's a different kind of big though
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: he's big and long, where you're fucking thick, you know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: it's a different thing. You're very lean and huge. It's
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: a different it's like the mass of you. When you
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: were on top of him pushing him, you could see
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: that it was a factors like he was recognizing.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: But it's so hard, Like if you look at that
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: fight that you just mentioned, is how are you gonna
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: get He tried to use his size, but how are
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: you going to get close to him walking straight into it?
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Because he's then he's just going to keep moving right
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: and keep moving because he's so fast on his feet.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: But that's what we tried to do. We try to
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: be fast on her feet and move to the side
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: and then get into it and then get close because
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: then as soon as you uh, he's the south. But
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: you keep moving this way and just keep getting closer somewhere,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: you're gonna You're gonna be there. You're gonna reach him.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: But it takes it takes some time. And I didn't
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: think if you look at the heavyweights, what they all
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: want to do is they want to bomb. They want
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: to hit maybe boom boom, one two. First is the
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: very ugly, one of the best to have ever done it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: And then especially in the cruiser weight, how are you
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: gonna hit him in step as gonna be at least
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: step B, C or D. When you're gonna hit him,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: you gotta have multiple plans. Like for me, I was
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: just throwing throw, throw, throw, throw, and I know I'm
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: gonna I was The first time was gonna hit him
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: was maybe in punch six or whatever, because then the
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: this is gonna be closer, So I didn't even think
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: about trying to knock his head up. That's what I said.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: He said, that's what I'm gonna donna try and knock
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: his head off. Of course I'm gonna tell him that
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: because that this is definitely not what we're gonna do.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: I was just gonna get close and keep keep working,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: keep working volume, and then finally when you're there, that's
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: the moment you're gonna put in some power. But that's
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: like maybe punch seven or eight. But the first three
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: four you're not even gonna hit this gonna you just
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: you're just hitting air because he's too fast.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Right, He's like a giant Lomachenko exactly.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: But that's how we thought about it. Don't try and
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: hit him in the first two or three punches, Throw
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: them so he has something to look at and something
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: to think about, and then we're gonna get there. And
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: as soon as you get there, you smother him. Boom,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: punch him in the body.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: What heavyweight boxers have you worked with over the years.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: All the top fighters? Of course, that's how I got
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: with Fury. I started with Tyson Fury. I trained with
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: with Jacob because he was also in that uh in
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: that camp back then. Yui Fury Peterson, he's I think
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: he's he's also he's been going up and down because
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: of his health, but he's definitely one of the best,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: and he we're gonna see more of him because yeah,
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: he's such a good competitor, such a good boxer as well,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: great skill set. So there's been a bunch of fighters
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: that that that would work with.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: That's so massive because you know, sharing all that gym
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: time with elite guys like Tyson Fury, Yeah, you know,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Kobe having that kind of experience in the gym must
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: have also been a huge confidence.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Especially now this is this whole last thing he is
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: trying to get like good self pall fighters. Oh my god,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: that's the hardest thing, the hardest thing. And then we
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: had one big guy and we had one uh one
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: smaller guy. It was uh, it was so hard. And
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: then mixing that up. So we started off with first
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: the first six with with the big guy, Moses Jelly
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: and an amazing boxer. But he's big, he's big, he's heavy.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: He's not a noosic, he's like twice as big as Usiic.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: But he's a south pole so he has that power
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: and we could really compete. And then after that, uh
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: we we we jumped in with the with James Branch
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: and he's like ninety ninety kilo south pole, so he's
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: like throwing rapid fire. So and that and that change
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: within sparring. So then first six with one and then
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: six with the other. Oh my god, that was it
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: was next level. It was like six months of pure
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: hard work.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: But it was so cool. It was so cool, and
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: it Yeah, it just opened up my mind to a
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: whole different to a whole different world. And it's for
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: being in in combat sports since I was six and
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: after all these years saying like okay, this kickboxing chapter
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: within the book is I think that's that's done, that's
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: start a new chapter.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Well, there's no big kickboxing fight that can compare with
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: what you just did. No, exactly how old are you now,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: thirty eight, thirty seven, thirty seven, So at that age,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: like you've got to you gotta like look at what
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: you've already accomplished. Yeah, in kickboxing, there's no fight that
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: everyone's calling out for, like oh yeah, you know, it's
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: not like Botter Harri's at in the prime. It's not
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: like one big fight.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: No. No, So there was like hey, and especially with
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: the whole crossover fights being at the biggest attention right now,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: it's like, hey, I think that's something we got to
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: look at.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: So after the fight is done, yeah, Turkey Aloshet comes
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: into the ring says, you got is gonna fight again.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: And it's been a couple of months now, so what
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: has happened? What? What do you talk to?
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Anybody as they talked to because it's been crazy, like
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: all the biggest organizations reached out, Hey, we were looking
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: at this fight, we're looking at that fight.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: But what about what?
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: What?
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: What?
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: What makes what makes sense for us? And that's where
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at now because like I said, I mean,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: I believe I'm in the winter of my career. So
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm just looking at big fights.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Do you have time? Do you want to get out?
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: No? No, it's not set in stone, but let's let's
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: let's see. Let's see. But like I said, I feel
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: like I'm so excited, I'm so I'm so happy, and
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: I'm so grateful to be in this position right now.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: So let's yeah, make history.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Yea, y right, they fucked you over, but you did win.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: You got a big win of it in that you
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: performed way better than anybody expected. And then there's also
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: this element where people are rooting for you because they
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: do think you got fucked over, think you were getting
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: sucked over in the scoring and they got you got
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: sucked over with the stoppage. Yeah, and so it's very marketable.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: And so my question, though, what I'm asking is has
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: anybody talked about the rematch other than that one.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Time comes What I wanted to know is, oh, he's
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: talking about the rematch.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: That is the fight that's one of the biggest fights
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: in heavyweight boxing, right. If not, though, it's got to
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: be other than Tyson Fury versus Anthony Joshua was gonna
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: be big for England. Right for them, that's an all
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: time two of the all time greats in two the
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: greatest British heavyweight champions ever.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: A little bit late, but it's.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: A little late, especially after Anthony Joshua was last fight.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: That was a scary one. I was like, whoa, but.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Both of them, yes, both of the fights they did.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not they're not the same guy, no, but
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: but still it's still super excited.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Exactly the legends and it's a huge fight that finally
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: I made.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Other than that, the fight is a rematch. Yeah, you
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: and Usik is the fight. That's the fight in the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: heavyweight division right now. There's no one else out there
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: that's like, you know, there's Moses I Tauma, who people
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: don't really know about enough, not yet yet. That guy's
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: good dynamite dynamite.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Dynamite fact, Yeah, so good.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's so slick and how he moves in
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: and out.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's uh, that's the next choice. Yeah, he's
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: the future.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's like our generations Mike Tyson. Yeah,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: where you watch him, he's twenty one years old, he's
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: coming up and you're like, oh yeah, ship, he's like
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: but other than I mean, but he doesn't have enough
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: experience yet and doesn't have enough name yet for what
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: he really is, what his potential if one day will happen.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: But for you and for USAK and for heavyweight boxing,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: that's the vibe. Maybe would get Dana White to get
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: ZUFA involved.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: That would be crazy.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know what is does does Is there some
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: sort of a deal that kas with anybody?
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I don't think so, because I believe that is one
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: of the reasons as well why he vacated those belts.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Because he doesn't deal with anybody else.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: No, because when you have those belts, you get forced
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: into fights like Okay, you're mandatory to fight this guy,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: and that was the I think for him, the position
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: that he was in fighting me, he could like that
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: was a voluntary defense, and he decided like, hey, I
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: would love to do this on my terms versus another guy,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: and I think they looked at it like this is
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: maybe gonna be an easier fight, so this is nice
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: to do. That didn't go the way his plan, but
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: but still I think that's where where his mind is
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: at now. Like he's like he's like I just want
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: to do what I want to do, which makes so
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: much sense after what what he has accomplished, After.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: What he has accomplished, he should be able to call
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: his own shots, and I want him to make the
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: most money possible because he is a legend. But that's this,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: This is this is what the problem is. It might
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: be too hard. Yeah, it might be too hard. It
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: might be one of those ones, which is why he
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: may be you know, no disrespect to Deontay, but he
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: might be looking at Deontay thinking Deontay is a little softer.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna right into the sunset.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's spectacular knockout.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also then, like you said, it's not
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: going to be the big money grabbed that because if
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: you ask me pay for that, no, exactly, they're not
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: going to be paid that that crazy money for it.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: It's not a big pay per view fight, that's the thing.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: It's like, people will watch it just because he's an
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: all time great and anytime USIK fights, people are going
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: to watch, and Deontay is still he's still the greatest
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: one punch knockout artist in the history.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: You should never know what's going to happen lat you
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: lose is the power.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: His power is fucking crazy.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, gee can finish you in the in the tenth.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah with one shot. Yeah, he orties on the top
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: of the head and put him out. I was like,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: that is nuts, man.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: He's just a level of power.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Different level of power. But again, forty years old, it's
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: twilight of his career and this hasn't looked good in
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: the last, you know, last few years. But for Usik
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: to want that fight signals to me that he just,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: you know, wants just go out with one more pay
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: day and that's it. And I don't know if that
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: was his choice that fight. Maybe that's just the internet talking. Yeah,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: maybe that's Deontay Wilder's team wants that fight.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know either, But like I said,
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: I got I got all the options. They gave me
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: all the options, like, hey, you want to fight this guy?
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I want to So if they talk to you about
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: m M A as well.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah yeah, but yeah, I'm keeping the options open.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: But I'm leaning towards boxing.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've been in the boxing game now and
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: I've enjoyed it so much, and that's like for me,
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: like I just said, like I came from kickboxing, from
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: being six years old and doing it for over thirty
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: years and then now getting really into boxing. I was
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: always boxing, but I was boxing to kickbox, it's a
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: totally different game. I had to rewire everything that was
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: in there. So now that I did it and I
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: performed the way that I performed, it was like, Yeah,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: this was fun.
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  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Also. That is the Glory Division. No pun intended of
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: the heavyweight division is the heavyweight division of boxing, rather
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: is the heavyweight division. The heavyweight division is where the
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: real money is at always, Yeah, that is the baddest.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: It's always boxing.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: It's always been that way. And for you, after that performance,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I gotta think there's a lot of options for you.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, they threw so many stuff at us,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: but we're like, hey, we take our time look at
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: the different options. And of course still is excellency has
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: our first preference because they gave us the opportunity right when. Yeah,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: we had we.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Had, like to fight in front of the pyramids. That's crazy,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: It's insane outside it was insane, Joe.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: It's like, let me tell you another story. So that
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: happened also while I was in this camp. It's not
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: a nice nice thing to say, but my mother passed
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: away during the moment I was in camp for this fight,
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: and well that happened. It was it was hard, and
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: then we had to clean out her house and then
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: finally doing that and cleaning everything, and then we come
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: by a bunch of pictures and yeah, you can see
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: it on my Instagram. And then I see the pictures
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: of my mother thirty years prior being in front of
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: the pyramids. It's like, wow, why do I see these
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: pictures now knowing that this fight is in front of
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: the pyramids. It was mind blowing. And so for me
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: it was like full circle going back. I like literally
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: made the same pictures my mother made thirty years prior
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: before the fight in front of the swings in front
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: of the pyramids, and that was like goosebump. So for
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: me having that whole experience being in front of the
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: pyramids doing that was like full circle.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: When did they come up with that idea to have
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: you guys fight in front of the pyramids? Well, the
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: way they look at that, yeah, that's crazy, that really
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: is crazy.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: Wow, Wow, yeah that really is wild.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: Still so like of course of course, yeah, so when
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: did they come up with the idea of having a
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: heavyweight title fight.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: In front of the pyramids?
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So the communication is always like really like straightforward
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: and they don't say too much. So the way it began,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: like the first thing I got was just like, what's
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: that picture we're thinking about this location? That was the
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: thing because first I saw the picture, I opened it, Oh,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: it's the pyramids. Nice. And then after that I looked
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: at it. We're looking at we're thinking about this location,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: like okay, but how are you gonna do that? Like
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: to me, it didn't make too much sense. And then
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: afterwards I said, like they send me a video like, yeah,
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: we're gonna do it here, it's gonna be outside, and
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh my god, it's gonna be outside in
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: front of the pyramid. It's just like mind blowing. And
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: that was that was also a thing. That's what I said,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: like it was like the rumble in the jungle, right.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: But then with that being said, what people thought, like,
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: what what is this guy talking about? Is he putting
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: himself in the same category as as Ali and Foreman
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: or whatever? What is it? No, that's not what I'm saying.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: I mean aout the location. I never put myself in that.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Everybody that knows me like, I'm I'm super humblest I
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: never wou would say something like that, But that's what
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: I meant, like it was something like the rumbling in
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: the jungle, because we're talking about the location, right, Like.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: The location was a part of the experience exactly. It
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: was insane Joe like, And then for me, they ask me,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: like we go. Can we ask you to do like
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: a certain choreography. Okay, I don't want to do too much.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I want to focus on fighting. So okay, the only thing.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: You gotta do is like pun the ground, and then
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: the ground is gonna crack open, and then we're gonna,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: like for the first time that evening boom, we're gonna
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: turn on the pyramids. So that's cool, that sounds good.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: I'll do that. So I did that, buddy. So I
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: punched the ground. I turned around, and for the first time,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: you see like the ground cracking open, and then then
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: the lights shine onto the pyramids.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Wow, it was It was a goose bump moment.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Was that your first time being at the pyramids?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's why the whole picture and this whole
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: thing was for me. It was like a full circle,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: like wow, it was such a special moment, such a
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: special event. And then okay, then I turn around. Then
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: my whole theme song comes up. You know, you know
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: how I run to the ring, But that wasn't like
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: a real catwalk. And during the day I already went
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: to see like what they expected from me, and like
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: how I'm gonna and there was like some small steps
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: like down like five or six. But then he was
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: so I do my thing and I do wow and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: I run to the ring. But I was like walking
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: straight onto these steps. I'm like, am I gonna take
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: these steps fast? I'm like, no, fuck them, I'll just
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: jump down. I just decided that at the moment and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: then I landed. It was like, oh, this was higher than.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: And I just kept on running.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: It's like, just think about like maybe I just like
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: spring my ankle or something. I jumping from the crazy Yeah,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: oh my god. It was so funny because afterwards the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: cameraman who woke up to me, he's like, I almost
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: missed you. You were jumping down. It's like I'm looking
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: at you, looking at you, like, bro, you were gone.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: That was why.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: It was. It was wild. It was outside and it
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: was the temperature was actually was was pretty good.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: What was the temperature?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: I think it was like twenty twenty degrees.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: So that's celsius. What is that? It's like seventy something sure.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, swirly in that in the old midpark. Was that
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: jamis I mean one hundred you know, was boiling and
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: two hundred and twelve is boiling for fahrenheit but like
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: zero and thirty, I.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Don't know what. Yeah, put it in the right here
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: you have us on the screen. I can't what is
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: twenty degrees celsius in fahrenheit sixty eight? Oh? Perfect?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: So that was that was nice. So you're like, ah,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: and I run whoop? I didn't just jukes down? Wow? No,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: it was so cool.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Did it feel any different than any other fight you've
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: had before? No? No, we've had so much What is
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: how many kickboxing fights have you had?
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Seventy five or something?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Seventy five? That's crazy? Yeah, that is crazy.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah it was. Yeah, it was.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: That's a giant, huge advantage of having so much combat
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: sports experience.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But where everybody was leaning towards it was like,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: this guy has one professional boxing fight. What is he
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: doing there? Is this make any sense? My guys, I've
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: been in and around the ring for quite a while.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I have a bunch of friends of mine that are
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: just boxing fans, and they were talking all kinds of shit, like, you.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: Know, oh, I had so many apologies. So we go
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: about so many famous boxers. I'd been like, I didn't
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: know what you were capable of, but damn, this was
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: this was crazy, Like Oh, thank you. Appreciate that.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Quite honestly, I didn't know what you're going to be
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: capable of either, because I knew you as a kickboxer
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: were one of the greatest of all time, but as
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: a boxer, I hadn't seen him, Like, you're taking away
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: one of his biggest weapons, which is the low kicks.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, your low kicks are phenomenal. You have to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: tree trunk legs, you know. So I was like, that's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: a giant weapon that's removed from him, Like, we'll see,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: he's also fighting one of the greatest of all time,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: if not the greatest boxer of all time in the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: headweight division. But to have that kind of a performance
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: and to do it the way you did it, it's like, man,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: it was. It was amazing to watch. It was as
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: a person who's watching combat sports, it is one of
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: the most exciting things I'd ever watched.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate that. But for me,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: I think what worked in my advantage to most was
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: if you look at kickboxing and it's logical, like physically,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: it's like you're so square on and everybody thought that
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: was what I was going to do, but I was
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: boxing always to kickbox. So Peter Fury has been telling
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: me to get more on the side for years, But
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: how as a kickboxer, I am not going to be more
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: on the side. Can't They're going to kick my leg
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: off because I can't block anymore. So I was constantly
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: trying to find the balance within that. And now Peter
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: was super happy because now finally he could teach me boxing.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: To box proper stamps every time, go more to the side,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: more to the side, because you're too square on them,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: go back.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: So I needed the six months. It's so much hard
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: work we had to put into that.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Did you find yourself like having to correct it mentally
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: or did it get to a point where it was
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: instinctive the stance in the position.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: We had to I had to definitely correct and they
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: had to tell me.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: But were you correcting in the fight? In the fight,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: was it down? Was it instinct? It was You've gotten.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: It and we got it down. But within the whole
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: prep it, you really.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Do need the six months.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: So for me, this this whole experience of getting into
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: boxing like it was perfect. It was perfect for everybody
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: around it it was. It was really terrible. Of course,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: where Anthony Joshua went through and everything, so that the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: most horrific thing ever. But for me getting into the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: transition to boxing, I needed that time to get it
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: like a clean transition. And that's why I was super
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: happy with with the six months and the change of fights.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: I believe, like the the Anthony Jeorge fight is still
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: a big fight that we that we could do, but yeah,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: getting the opportunity to fight for a boxing heavyweight title
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: is on another level big of course.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, gigantic. And then also I've got to think
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: that from that experience, you're even better now. You have
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: to be better. You just were in there with the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: best guy ever.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But the funny thing is, like that's why I
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: made the meme of Jim Carrey, like because everybody was like,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: he's moving pretty strange, what is he doing? But we
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: knew that that thing would work versus versus sick, and
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: but we got so many more tools in the toolbox
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: that we can pull out because in another fight, for
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: this is a different fighter, we're going to show a
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: whole different rico again. But if we're going to fight
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: you sick again, it's going to be slightly different, but
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: it's still like, basically the strategy, the strategy works well.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: You gave him so many things to think about constantly. Yeah,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: there was no time to set No, there was always chaos.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: There was always hands moving, there was always your bodies moving.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: You're moving forward, you're shuffling around. It was so much
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: activity that his mind has to constantly process all these different.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: But normally that is what he does. Yes, And that's
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: if you look at the whole heavyweight division all his
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: previous fights. He was in control. He was showing them
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: so much. And if you have something to look at
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: the whole time, He's like, it keeps you. It gets
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: your mind out of what you want to do because
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: you're constantly and dissipating what your opponent is doing. Yeah,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: that's what we try to do. We try to take
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: that from him.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: What were you doing for conditioning? Like, I just want
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: to know what your conditioning is like in general, because
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: you are such a big guy and to be that
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: big and have that kind of cardio is very extraordinary.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: Um Do I agree? Do? I agree? Maybe? Partially I
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: agree with that because to be honest, at the top, Joe,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: everybody works hard, right, That's what I do. I just
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: work incredibly hard. But I believe that mentally, when you
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: get tired, or when your body gives signals of starting
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: feeling to feel tired, how do you cope with that
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: in your minds? That's where I think the biggest difference
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: is because if at the moment I feel I'm getting tired,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: then I know my opponent is feeling fucked right, because
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: I know how hard I work to be fit and
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: to do everything possible to be in the best shape ever.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: Because if you look at training schedules or whatever, for
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: my schedule versus another guy's schedule, I find it hard
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: to believe that I'm training so much harder than all
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: the other top guys. Yeah, that's my opinion. I find
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: that hard to believe. So for me, it's just like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: a mental thing as soon as I start feeling it
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: like okay, not if it starts well.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: There's certain certain people have genetics that lean towards better
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: cardio and conditioning, like in the UFC Camee Velasquez was
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: famous for that. He just had insane cardio for everyway.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: But for you, are you what I'm getting at? How
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: much time are you spending on strength and conditioning versus skill? Work.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's pretty balanced. It's pretty balanced. But for example,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: everything I do is based on endurance. So even the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: powerty I don't have to do with three hundred pounds
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: bench press, right, I don't care. I know I'm already big, right,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: I'm I know I'm not the hardest puncher within the game.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: I don't have to be the hardest puncher in the game.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: But as soon as I hit, I'm still a heavyweight still, right,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty pounds behind it. So when I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: hit you, you got to feel it. So that's how
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: we approach it. I don't Yeah, just lean into what
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: works for you. I'm not the strongest puncher. I also
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: don't believe I'm the most skillful, but I'm definitely the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: hardest worker. And that's what we try to do, emphasize,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: like just keep working, keep working hard. So we yeah,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: the pace is high, we can show a lot, we
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: can do a lot.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: Do you have a guy that's just a strength and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: conditioning god, and so like, what kind of work were
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: you doing? What kind of things are you doing? You
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: want to know it? All?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, I do a full buddy, full buddy workout
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: three times a week. And just a lot of reps,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of reps.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: So this is more strength and conditioning or is it
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: both at the same time.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: It's because what we do is we I have for example,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: we do chest, I do like twenty reps, just the
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: beginning twenty reps. Then we get to another exercise, and
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: then again I do twenty twenty reps, so we do
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: forty reps each and those reps are going to go
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: up the closer we get to the fight. But the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: rest between the exercise is just thirty seconds, and then
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: we change excess and we go to a different muscle group,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: and then we go back to chess, and then again
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: we do twenty twenty thirty seconds. Okay, we go to
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: a different muscle and then again thirty seconds. So it's
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: the paces is incredibly high, and I think that whole
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: training takes maybe thirty five to forty minutes max.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gotta be a giant factor because I don't
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: know how many people are doing that that way. You know,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys are doing strength and or conditioning.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: They're running, they're hitting the bag, they're doing different things.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: But for me, I'm not focusing on when I'm focusing
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: on strength. I don't want to be big. I feel
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: like I'm already pretty big, right, And the more muscles
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: I have, I have to just carry them with me.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: And all those muscles they they want and they need oxygen.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: So then my heart is going to be like, oh,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: pumping just to get get that oxygen there. No, I
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: just focus on that booming and I start with twenty
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: and then I get to twenty two, and then I
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: get to twenty fours and then with the same exact weight,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: So you get so much stronger at the same time
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: you get so much fitter, right, And that combination just
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just it's just been working for
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: us throughout the years.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: So are you using apps and heart rate monitors and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: things on those lines.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, these heart rate monitors, they're running in different different ways.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: We do the interval running, we do the endurance running.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you just run for an hour and then you
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: do the interval running.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Is this mostly treadmill work?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, because like my body's yeah, been through.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: A lot, right, So running on the concrete, running outside
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: rough on the knees.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: No, it's I don't believe it's smart. So I have
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: this special treadmill, which I'm I can take some of
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: my own weight off, so I have this big balloon
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: around me.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I know what you're talking about. I've seen
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: those before.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I got that. Since that the AHL surgery
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: on the knee, and ever since, I've been using it
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: and I love it. I love it so I can
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: do the running experience, and because I love running because
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: it's so hard, so heavy on the body, and mentally
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: it's so hard. But then I don't have the full
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: force on my joints, like right right, right right, It's
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: just like, yeah, it's not good.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you gotta think of all those years
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: of leg kicks.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: Like caicks and oh my god, especially when I got
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: the A c L. I was like, oh my god.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: How long ago did that happen?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: Three years ago?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Three years ago?
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I thought. I thought I was done so much pain,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: so much pain. I was like, why, I'm like getting
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: close to the end of my career and now this happens,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: like and then getting back from that within six months.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: That was like, because I had a bucket handle meniscus
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: and at the age of.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Row a c L I had exactly the same thing.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was it was ter.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: Did they remove the meniscus, No, they just stitching back
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: so the smarter. Yeah they know that now.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the first six weeks you're not allowed to
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: to put too much pressure on it, right, right, But
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: oh my.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: God, they used to think that you should cut the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: meniscus out, and now they're they've done studies and they
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: find that there's no benefit to that.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: It's between the bones or else. It's just bone on bone.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: It's exactly they said, especially with me being so heavy
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: and so big, like within ten years, you're gonna have
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: trouble if we're gonna take it out.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I have trouble on my left leg because of
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: that very reason. They took a big piece of it
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: out when I had the bucket handle tear. And it's
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: just that that area hurts all the time. Yeah, just
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: it is what it is. They do cadaver graphs. Will
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: they take a cadaver meniscus and put it in place? Yeah,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: they take a piece of meniscus out of a dead guy.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't always work. And you know, you really
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: have to be young for it to work more effectively.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: I guess they say that, but that also could be
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: dependent upon what you're doing with it, Like are you
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: using peptides, are using stem cells, are using hyperbaric chamber,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: are using red light therapy, are using all the different
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: modalities that can help you heal quicker. But yeah, they do.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: I know, I got it.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: Do you definitely use every because you have an age
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: of the day since since we did the last show,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: so everything. I don't know how you do it, but
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: after the show, you gotta give me the recipe.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: I probably do a lot of the things you do
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: because I know you do cold plunge every day.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: I do that every morning, and I do a lot
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: of sawn of work. But I do a lot of
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: red light therapy. I do that at least four or
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: five times a week. I try to do it. I've done.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I have a hyperbaric chamber. I do that a lot.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: I try to do that as many days a week
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: as like, I've done that two days in a row.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Now I'll just do it three four days a week.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: If when I'm really feeling better is when I'm doing
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: it three or four days a week and just constantly training,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: like you have to. Can't get out of shape it all?
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Right? You do?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get out to get out of shape,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: you can't get back in shape. But if you stay
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: in shape, it's remarkable how much you could keep it going.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Look at Bernard Hopkins. I mean he was performing at
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: a world class, world championship level at fifty years old
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: as a boxer.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: It is nuts, it's insane.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: It's just because of his discipline. You know, never got fat,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: never got out of shape, always stayed in the gym,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: never eat bad food.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: Mentally, it keeps you just imbalance, just being bad. Because
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: that's what I believe. Why just training in general for
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: everybody is so good because that's me time. Yep, that's
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: the time that you're working on what is good for
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: you and for your mental health, and you're not thinking about, Hey,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: I'm at work, I'm making money to provide for the family,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: or I'm doing groceries for this. No, I'm in the
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: gym and I'm working on me. I can turn your
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: phone off, listen to some music and just like work
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: on your body and your mental health. It's it's so good.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: And the effects of it afterwards, the alleviation of anxiety
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: and pressure, and just how good you feel, the endorphins.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: I just wish people that don't do it could understand
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: that because so many people they just have an aversion
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: to the hard work, they have an aversion to like
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: getting there. They're just like, oh, I don't want to
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: do it. I don't want to do it. But if
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: you just do it feel so much better, And then
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk about discipline, and discipline is very important.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: It's the most important thing probably, but almost equally important
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: is momentum. And once you have a few good days
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: in a row, the discipline is not as hard anymore now,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: but now you have momentum.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, you're right. But the thing is
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: what happens. Same with the cold plunch that we do
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: multiple times a week or almost every day, is like
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: some days the same as going to work or whatever.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: You just wake up and you just do not feel
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: like doing it. But then the discipline comes in, like
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: I I do not feel like doing it, but I
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: am going to do it because if I can do
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: it on the days, then I do not feel like
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: doing it every other day is going to be easy.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: And that's for me what I felt like, like I
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: was just sharing with you, like what I find so hard.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: For example, with the with the losing and that that
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: the mistakes that I made. That's what I've been doing,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: like to be honest, my whole life. That's what I'm
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: trying to work on now is like everything that happened
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: in my life, like it's been some crazies, like my
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: mother passed away within this preparation, and I do not
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: take the time to to really take that, take it,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: take it in like what just happened. And I had
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: the same thing with my father was like right before
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: the Bencedic fight, and I just take it and I
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: continue because what I do, I take it and it's
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: a certain emotional pain and I use that to put
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: it in physical pain so I can use it as
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: fuel for what I do in the ring and whatever
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: as my job. But I feel like personally, in relationships
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: and just in general in just living, I think that's
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: not the way to cope with it. So that's what I'm.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: Trying to work now. So it's very difficult to be
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: balanced if you also want to be excellent, if you
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: want to be the best, you know, if you want
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: to be and accomplish what you've accomplished, you have to
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: be obsessed. And if you have to be obsessed. It's
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: almost impossible to be balanced. It's almost impossible to have
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: a balanced life and also be obsessed on a goal.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: But I don't feel like it's it's so much about
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: the balance, but it's just not the way to cope
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: with with life in general, next to being an athlete
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: and being a fighter, which is a big part of
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: what you do, but just like in general, like, okay,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: how do you cope with with things? Especially now with
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: this for example, with this loss, It's like, how do
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: I find a way to give this this loss and
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: a way of like okay, that I can work with
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: it without like feeling frustrated or like I got robbed
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: or whatever. So and I feel like that's getting better.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: So I watched my mom's funeral back like I think
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: like four or five weeks ago for the very first time.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: So she passed away in February. That's when I've watched
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: it back for the first time, just to take it
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: all in again and again. I went like all the
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: way through it, and I'm like, Okay, I need to
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: to do that more to get I don't know if
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: it's balanced or just I don't know, just to get
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: like a way of feeling like, yeah, I can, I
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: can take that emotion in because now just every time
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: pushing that emotion away and just using it as fuel
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: to be a fighter and be the best version of
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: me with the ring. But like as a as a person,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like it's a healthy way to just
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: keep pushing everything pushing it down.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Well, it's great that you recognize that, though, and that
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: will definitely help you as you transition from being a
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: fighter to being a retired fighter and doing whatever else
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: you want to do. You have so much time left
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: in your life to do anything. Recognizing that that is
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: an issue, it's huge for your ability to move on
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: to do other things because that's a giant struggle for
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of fighters. The struggle, especially fighters that have
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: competed at your level. You know, the glory, the excitement,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: the chaos of it all is so huge that to
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: step away from that it's very, very difficult for a
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: lot of guys.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm so happy, And I also believe that
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: what gave me this is that I found my new
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: passion within acting. So being on set with Jake Chillenhall,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: with Dave Patista, with Elvis Hodg and those guys being
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: so excellent at what they're doing as actors and they're
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: just talking with them about this. I think that also
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: gave me more and more that realization of Hey, instead
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: of just like pushing it away, I can use those
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: emotions and that feeling to be an actor at a
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: certain point. So and I always said, like I just oh,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: I just kept pushing it away. I don't want to
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: feel it. I don't want to feel it. As soon
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: as I feel it, I turn it into physical pain.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: So I know I get to be a better version
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: of me within the ring. So I hear what you're saying.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: But if you want to get into acting, it's good
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: to feel because as soon as you feel, it's even better.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: It's going to transition even better on camera because then
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: we see that you're feeling something, and if it comes
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: out of your own experience, it's even better. It hurts still,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: but you can turn it into something positive. And that's
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: where I'm really happy about. Like, after being a fighter,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: I really found my new passion within acting because it's
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: so much fun. That's so much fun to be on
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: set and yeah, being great at something else, Yeah.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: That's great that you found something else that you're excited about.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: That's really important, very important. So how many movies have
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: you done?
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: I did a few, did a few, I think like
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: a handful, and I think that the most recognizable things
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: I did was Then of Thieves, Pania Nice with Girard
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: and Oh Jackson Junior, and the last one Roadhouse. So
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: I now, of course I've been H've been talking with
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: Jason like for quite some time now to do something together.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: So we're looking at different different options, like hey, we
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: could do this, but he's like he has a certain
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: focus on what he what he sees, like, hey, we go.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: I want you to do like this type of movie
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: and I want you to be this type of character
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: because I don't want you to die and I want
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: you to do this, do that. So it's yeah, for
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: him being so experienced within that world, I.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Just well, also him coming as an athlete as well, exactly,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: he was a world class diver, right yeah.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's he's a martial arts fanatic. He loves it. Yeah,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: he loves it. Yeah, So so that's yeah, that's that's amazing.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: So and then yeah, telling him that like, hey, I
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: love to act, so he comes to my fight, I
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: visit him on set, like, hey, I just look at
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: what he does and how he does it. It's yeah,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: it's out of the world. It's the next level.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: Well, that's so good that you have something really excited
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: about as you retire, like transitioning into that, and that
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: you already have some success with that.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: Dave Bautista is another one, like right, like the huge
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: success in w W, went on to do that and
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: now he's done a ton of movies.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's really good.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really very good actor.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's not just like, oh, he's an athlete that
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: try to do some acting. No, he's he's a really
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: good actor and he showed so many different sides of himself.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: He was great in that.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: Was it?
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: The glass Onion? Is that what it was called?
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: Yah?
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah? The what is that? Yeah? Knives out glass onion, Right,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: that's what it's called. He was great in that. Yeah,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: he's great. He's I mean again, it's like you see
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: these big guys and you say, oh, they're big and
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: they're just gonna play a brute. But it's like he's
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: a human. Yeah, human beings have depth. You could do
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of different things exactly. So he's got to
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: he's losing weight now, just like shows.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: Like yeah he looks, yeah, he's he's still being.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: He's still two hundred. I mean, like, oh he's so small,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: it's two forty.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: He's huge now he's huge, and he's in great shape.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: He's great and he's the nicest guy as well. Oh
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: that's cool, he's the nicest guy. So we had no,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: we had a lot of fun, We had a lot
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: of funds. It was such an honor to be there
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: on set with them and on such a big production.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, I'm just looking at.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: It, So how do you balance that out? Like now
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: that you like, as you said, you're in the winter
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: of your career, would you accept a movie role right
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: now if you knew that a big fight could potentially happen?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: So you have to be careful right now? Yeah.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. For me, it's like I'm focused on finishing that
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: and as soon as as then I have a movie
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: like okay, but then I'm not going to do a
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: fight that's going to be hard. So and especially within
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: the other one, I didn't really get the option because
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: I was on roadhouse and then I got the Anthoney
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: dress for a fight. But back then I was just
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: the kickboxer, the kickboxer world champion, but that didn't really
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: say too much. So I was in the underdog position.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: I was in the passenger seat. Now I show what
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: I can do. So now I got a little more Like, Yo, guys,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: I got a movie, So can we push to fight
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: a little bit further so I have the time to
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: get ready for it? Right, So that's that's better now.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: But for me, I would never blend those two together
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: or like, hey, okay, let me finish this movie real
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: quick and that can get straight into a fight camp
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: that's going to be like a two two and a
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: half months. I need a good, like clean four months
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: to get ready for a fight of this magnitude.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: Right, So, when you're talking about these different conversations that
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: people have had with you, is the door completely closed
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: to the UFC? Because I know that they did contact
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: you and you were talking. They were talking about you fighting,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: and that they were going to try to do that
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Derek Lewis fight. I was excited about that. Yeah, but too,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: the money was nowhere near.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: I'm sure the money is after so I believe that
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: that the gap is even bigger. Yeah, sure, So I
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: think that's that's where that's what the actual problem is,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: just to be completely transparent. So for me, it doesn't
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: make any sense to go around the bullshe.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: And go backward us now financially.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: If if they would want to do something, it really
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: has to make sense. But yeah, we all know that. Yeah,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: that's not really like how the UFC works. So I
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: don't believe that that is an option.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: Because the heavyweight division is So have you ever worked
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: with Tom aspinall, of course, he's.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: A very good friend of mine. We trained trained, Yeah,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: we trained so much already for like I think close
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: to ten years.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: Man, he got a bad deal. He got really fucked
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: over for that that fight, you know, the way people
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: got upset at him for stopping the fight with those
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: I pokes. That to me, that drove me crazy, Like
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: what do you expect the guy to do? He's defending
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: the heavyweight title, he gets poked in the eyes and
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: he can't fucking see and he's had two eye surgery
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: since then.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: And he's he's a nice this guy, he's the nicest guy,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: and he works incredibly hard and he would never never
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: even though because I understand where it comes from from
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: the people to a certain extent because they feel like, hey,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: God was doing so good in the beginning of the fight,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: but it was just the beginning of the fight. It
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: was just like the first round or whatever. So it's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: possible that, hey, because of some ring rush, you have
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: to get into it and then the fight ain't over.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: Tis over right, So you can have an opinion about that.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: The first round, I know, I get an ipoke. Oh
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: now he's gonna stop because he knew he was behind
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: or whatever. He would never, never, in whatever world do
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: that because.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: He has got the iepoke is he was knuckled deep
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: in his eye. I was like, gone, yeah, I mean,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: Cyril gon has a history of doing that.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: He's done also, and definitely I truly be because I
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: know Cyril as well. He's also a very nice guy,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: and I do not believe he's doing that intentionally to
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: fuck with people or whatever.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: It's just a bad instinct that keeps happening.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's where you're doing this and you're running right
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: into eyeballs. It's just they they need to stop doing it,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: you know. I Mean, there's there's a bunch of different
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: conversations about how to stop it. One of them has
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: changed the gloves. You don't need open fingers like that
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: they don't have. You don't need that for grappling. No,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: they could cover the tip of it like a mitten,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: you know, And there's there's a way to do that
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: where it would probably eliminate a lot of the ie pokes.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Another one is is a guy named Trevor Whitman from
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: on ex Sports is justin gatgee trainer who makes a
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: much better glove. And his glove your hand is in
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: this position all the time instead of the UFC glove
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: glove your hands like this. You have to pull it
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: down to tighten up the fist and this with Trevor's gloves,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: it's curved like this. This is a this So you
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: would like when multi fighters like zeal Gone they frame
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: off like that, all yeah, right, you know that. Yeah,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: So when you have those UFC gloves you're framing off
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: like this, that's when you're running into ipokes, you know.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: So they try to tell you keep your fingers up,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: which is great, but sometimes it.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: Doesn't exactly you're leaning away.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I don't think cereal Gon is a
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: dirty fighter. I just think he's trying to finish fights.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Like Alex Pereira thought he was dirty for hitting him
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: in the back of the head. And I watched the
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: fight over again to watch it, and what I saw
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: is Alex is moving, Cereal's trying to hit him, and
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: sometimes when that happens, some of the shots are going
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: to land.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he said, the referee that needs to like
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: say like, hey stop, yes, yeah, we're fighting, so you
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: gotta check whatever you get.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: But it's hard because you're also like you, he might
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: not have the best position to see it because it's chaos.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: And also like, if you're trying to hit like a
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: guy right here and then his head moves and then
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: you hit the back of the head, whose fault is that?
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: Is that your fault that you're supposed to pull back
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: you're in the middle of a shot. It's very difficult
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: to stop. It's hard to say, but when you look
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: at his performance in that fight against al Prayer, it
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: was fucking extraordinary.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: He's We were as a group chat I have with
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: a few friends of mine, Dean Thomas and Matt Sarah
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: and John Rawler. We do a podcast together and we're
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: just talking about it how basketball is a phenomenal base
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: for some of these guys because Cyril Gone, I'm gonna
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: show you. I'll send you this video. I'll send it
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: to Jamie Cyril Gone, can't fucking move man.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: And some of the light feeded as well.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: And he's two hundred and fifty pounds, but it's the
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: way he moves is so extraordinary, and I think some
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: of that is because of basketball, because yeah, well no,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: it's not that one.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 6: It's a pretty new video. He's playing against the NBA center.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Oh man. There's multiple videos of it then, because he's
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's pretty sick, but that's one of them.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: I was with him. We did a little movie moving
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: around together on Dens Thieves h two.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Oh he was, he was in there.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: We were in the scene together. So that was fun.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: It's just having a guy.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: He's such a nice guy.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: He's like so light, so light, he moves around so
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: like and so hard to hit. Man, it doesn't he's
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: never been in trouble in the fight. I mean, he
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: got finished by John Jones, but that was a submission,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: and frances and Gano just beat him by Grambling. But
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: he's never been like rocked or staggered.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: He hardly because because his movement is especially for a
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: for a big guy. But that's why I believe but
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: Tom has that as well.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, he has that move he is like his flits
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: is extraordinary. His ability to cover distance is insane. And
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: he's got one punch knockout power.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: He's so explosive. He can that. That's I believe he can.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: He can be a good boxer, but he can also
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: be a good kickboxer, and he's a good MMA fighter.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: He's so all around because when he he comes to kick,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: when he came to kickbox, wow, well he's so.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: I just hate that fans reacted the way they reacted.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: And it's the casual ones, it's the shitheads, you know.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: I For me, I was like, God, you got to
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: give the guy some grace. He got his eye poked out.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: I mean he literally was knuckled deep in his eyes.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: For him to for anyone to think that he should
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: be fighting with one eye like that, who cares to
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: keep fighting? Insane. He got fouled. It's not because of
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: a punch, it's not because of he got kicked or
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: an elbow. It's a foul and so no, the fight
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: should have been stopped the way it was, And that's
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: that everybody should understand that it's not his fault. It
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: was his opponent's fault.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: But how he got to this was like because of
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: the whole deal he has, Like how much sense does
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: it make for me to get into the UFC because
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: Connor got like a great deal now for his last fight.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: No, for you, boxing makes the most sense, especially at
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: this point in your life financially, and you know, for
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: I mean he look, he has a potential career in
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: boxing as well, and now that Eddie Hearn is managing him,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: which is very exciting because you know, match Room being
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: behind him is going to have a gigantic, hype machine,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: giganic promotion. Look, I think it's huge and that they're
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: at odds with the UFC. Like for me, I care
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: about the fighters making the most money possible exactly, and
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: that's how he's going to make the most money possible.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: But like you said, that's what I believe that all
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: the fighters deserve. The fighters that that bring in the
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: viewers that aren't exciting, Yeah, they should earn a little
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: bit more, right, That is everything should be in balance.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: And that's I mean, this is where Turkey Al Shaikh
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: has really ramped up the game really raised the bar
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: because he's getting guys to fight they didn't want to
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: fight each other exactly, and he's like, how about this
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: amount exactly? Oh, okay, okay, we go.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: But that but that's how we got the biggest fight.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: But but next to that with him giving media opportunity
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: as well, what he does is he thinks outside of
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: the box. And that's what I love so much about
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: what he does. Because we had to also the the
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: Francis Nigato ties A Hury fights and that was also.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: Like crazy, right, I don't know about that zero professional
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: boxing matches for Francis exactly right.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: And that decision was also a little bit of controversial. Controversial,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know so, But that's why I like what
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: he does. He thinks outside of the box. Like, hey,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: I like this idea.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: Let's just try Terrence Crawford versus Canelo Alferas. That's way
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: outside the box. You got a guy moving up two
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: weight classes. Yeah, to fight at all time great, I
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: mean it was and a lot of people thought Canelos
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: too big, Canl's too big?
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: Wow? It was an amazing fight.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Sarence Crawford is one of the greatest
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: of all time. He's so smooth, so good when he
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: was just Pa Pa pap rip and doing that to wow,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. It was amazing to watch. To watch
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: a guy that's that skillful and have those skills and
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: you know, move up multiple weight classes. Yeah, incredible and
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: pulled off against a guy like Canelo.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: And everybody said like, oh, he's not gonna get He's
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: not gonna have a shot because Canado is gonna be
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: too big. As soon as he as he hit it,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: he's gonna get rocked. And he's like, no, I think
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: uh no. That was That was incredible and they were
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: they were all at the Fightyramids by the way. Yeah,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: that was also.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: Terrence is very smart. And Terrence prepared for that fight
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: for like a year and put on some weight, but
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: not too much, you know, he just so he lifted
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: but just enough, but just also he was healthier because
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: he didn't have to cut so much weight. That's the
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: thing to take into consideration. You got a guy who's
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: cutting all that weight to make all the different weight
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: classes that he was champion a way up to one
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: fifty four and also he doesn't have to cut weight. Well,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: guess what he's probably walking around one seventy six seven anyway.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so so.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: It was probably a better performance for him physically. He
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: probably felt much better. Yeah, and he's also used to
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: faster guys and he's sold light on his feet at.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: That was so exciting. So that's what, Yeah, what he does.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: He makes the fights that otherwise would have been made, right, So,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: and I think I respect him for that so much
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: and I'm thankful for that as well. So let's see
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: what he's gonna pull out of the head this time
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: for me.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, for sure, now people are going to
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: be excited about you fighting again, and it's even more
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: marketable by far than the first fight was. I just
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: hope it's a rematch. I really do, because I think
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: that's the just fight to have. Yeah, that's the correct
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: fight to have a rematch. When a fight is that
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: close and ends that controversially, and then the judging is
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: the scoring is that bad, the right thing to do
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: is to have a rematch.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then in a different, like I said, in
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: a different environment and different situation.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: That Vegas or Mason Square Garden.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: I gotta be honest, Joe, they are both still on
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: the bucket list. Yeah, I thought in New York, but
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: it was like, I don't know, in a ballroom something
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't even remember what it was, but
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: I think twenty twelve or something. So yeah, Madison Square
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: Garden and Vegas are still on the on the bucket list.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: Vegas is great, but Maison Square Garden is iconic. There's
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: something about being in that building. Every time we have fights,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: we do a UFC in that building, it's like, wow,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: we're in the garden like that. That is a special place.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: There's so many things that happened there. Concerts and basketball.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so many concerts, so many fights, so many everything.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: It's just and it's also in New York City. And
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: as much as New York City is crazy and it's
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: like it's beat Beep in Hong Kong and fuck you,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: it's still New York motherfucking city. And to have a
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: great World Championship fight in New York City is something special.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: There's something you feel different when they say live from
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Madison Square Gardens. Yeah, you know, when you when you're
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: in the room when we have fights there, being in
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: the room feels different.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's also one of the things that he
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: did a fight on Times Square. I know who thinks
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: of that, and the thing is for him. I believe
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: that whenever you when he when you hear something and
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: you say, nah, that's not possible, I think that's the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: right trigger. He does the exactly the trigger he needs, like,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: I'll make it possible. I'll make it happen. It's the
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: same with the Pyramids and then with the with the
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: Times Square, He's like, nah, I don't think that's gonna happen.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: Well, they have a bottomless pad account.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: That's the things like they can just they make things possive.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: They just throw so much money at guys like and
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: that is exciting. I mean, that's something that boxing has
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: needed because it's Look, it took so long to get
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Floyd maywhere they're to fight Manny pacyaw Right, that was
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: a gigantic fight. It took forever, and arguably Manny was
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: past his prime when they wound up actually fighting again,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: which pissed a lot of people off. If they had
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: been around back then, if Turkey Alas Shake had been
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: around back then, they in Riat Season has been around,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: have been around back then, they probably would have made
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: that happen. When they're in their primes. What that's what
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: boxing needs, that's what MMA needs, that's what everybody needs.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: The UFC does that in MMA, they kind of forced
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: guys to fight. You can't get away from it.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: No only to pay days different, but.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, but you know at the highest levels, guys like Connor,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: they're making similar money. But it's just that that needs
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: to change in terms of if it has to be
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: like it has to be enticing enough that you're going
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: to get the best athletes that realize like, hey, I
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: don't have to go into basketball. I don't have to
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: go What I really like is fighting and like and
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: the and there's enough money in fighting now like everything else.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: But that's the problem, like we just talked about we
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: started off with with the whole kickboxing, there's no money
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: to be made.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: Right, that is the problem.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: So well, I mean.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Figure that out, because you know, they're they're dedicated to
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: entering into the mm A space now and they just
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: merged with the PFL. I think it's very exciting because
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: I think competition is good. Competition is great, and the
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: more competition the better, and definitely better for the fighters
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: to have options. And they've got guys over there in
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: the PFL now that are fucking world class. Man, They've
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: got some world class fighters, so it's exciting, it's exciting
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: to have. It's just they just need to get bigger
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: in terms of the public's recognition exactly. So right now
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: everybody thinks of UFC, of being m M a UFC.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: It's like PFL for the average casuals, like what who's that?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah? What do they do?
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: I think to be honest, Joe, if we look at
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: ten years ago, combat sports is at its all time
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: high boxing, MMA, kickboxing, everything is like going through the roof.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everything is bigger than now.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: I think we're in We're in a very blessed position.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: Well, twenty years ago, nobody even knew what MMA was.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: Twenty one years ago was the first Ultimate Fighter Season one,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: two thousand and five, and that was really when MMA
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: kind of made it onto the map in terms of
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: the general public understanding of from the Ultimate Fighter and
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: that Stephan Bonnar Forst. Griffin fight, but you could see
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: world where kickboxing could enter into that, you know, ten
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: years from now being the same a similar category, and
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: I think it should be, I really do.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: It is just because of the modern day world because
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: of social media and so many different people coming into
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: the sport, and people can say to have an opinion
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: about it. But for example with with with Jake Paul
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: and etcetera, and all the influencers. But they're bringing a
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: lot of new eyes to the sport to boxing, a.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: Lot of new eyes. But could you imagine if an
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: organization got behind a guy like Ramon Deckers and showed
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: him to the American public when he was in his prime, he.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: Would be like, holy shit, who.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: Is this guy? This fucking monster, this animal, this technical animal.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: You know, Like that's the thing. That's the thing about
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: where you come from too. Like for people that don't
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: know kickboxing in Holland, that is the epicenter of world
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: championship kickboxing. I mean Rob Kaman, Ernesto Hughes, you, I mean,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: so Peter, Oh my god, you could go on and
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: on and on and on and on. So many of
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: the greatest kickboxers, of course Ramon Deckers, but some of
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest kickboxes of all time came from Holland,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean we mentioned Botr Hari. I mean,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: so many of these great Melvin Manhoove, so many of
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: these great guys came out of Holland. It's kind of
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: nuts if you really think about it.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that we're such a small country and everybody exchanges
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: their intelligence with each other. And I believe that because
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: we're such a small country, that's what increases the level
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: so much. Everybody trains also with each other. Go there,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: we go sparring with them, We go sparring with them,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: and go sparing with them. And then you learned this
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: from that guy. You learned that from that guy. And
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: if you do that, for example, in the US, you
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: want to train with somebody out from New York, you
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: gotta fly all the way there. You're not to stay
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: there too long. I think it just takes too much time.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: And because in our country we can just drive anywhere.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: But it's also one of the reasons White pay per
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: view never worked there because if they if they wanted
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: to to visit an event, just drive there. Like I'm
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: not going to stay home and pay for it.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: That't make any sense.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: I'll just drive there and just go watch it live.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: Well, that's also why the crowds are so huge. Yeah,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: you guys got massive crowds.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, some of those kicks Aloritas Yeah, people don't.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: Know in America, they don't know how big kickboxing is
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: in Holland. In the Netherlands, it's gigantic.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, no, it's like I think number two sport.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: That's raise or soccer. Isn't that funny?
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of crazy if you think about it.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: It's such a small how many people even live in.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: Holland, sixteen seventy million.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nuts. It's a small country with the greatest
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: kickboxers of all time. It's like it's an anomaly. It's
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: very weird. Yeah, very weird how it happened.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And also like I think just now for the
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: last I think after like for the less ten years,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: it's we've been so good in keyboxing for the last
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: twenty five years or even longer. But now since the
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: last ten years, it's been recognized as well for the public.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: You've always been good at it, but it's always been like,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know, a little bit shady or whatever. And
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: now since the last ten years, since me and Boter
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: like put it on the map, just explode it, and
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: everybody just yeah went behind it, like wow, this is cool,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: this is cool to watch. We're good at this, we're
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: were were the best in the world at this point.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: Are there gyms all over the place in Holland.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: It was crazy. At a certain point, he went, it
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: was so crazy that every random guy could become a
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: kickboxing teacher. So now because it's because it became so
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: big and so public, they started to do it like okay,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: you got you gotta get like a like a diploma
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: and a certificate to become a key boxing trainer. You
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: kind of just random saying like hey, I'm a keyboxing
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: to start kickboxing and start teaching people. But at a
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: certain point that was that was the case. Wow, yeah,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: it was crazy.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: But so what happened. How did Holland become so big
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: in kickboxing?
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: I think they yeah, with Ramon Deckers and everything. They
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: went to uh yeah, to Thailand and just like sucked
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: all the information out of that and we had fighters
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: trainers going there and they took like the muy Thai
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: of it, and they took that to the to the
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: Netherlands and then like exchange, like I said, because the
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: country is so small, they exchange everything with each other.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: Like this guy learned that, that guy learned that, and
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: if you exchange that with with each other. You just
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: get better and you get smarter.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: But it also has to be something about the culture.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: May yeah, we're we're pretty big people, pretty big people.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: But Rob can't excuse me.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: Ramon Deckers was not He was not big.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: Which was one of the most extraordinary parts of his
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: career was that he was competing against ties.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was that was insane with elbows and
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: uh huh. It was brutal.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: But his boxing too was a giant factor. Explosive, so explosive,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: and his style was so aggressive. He was like just
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: kept on. He was feral. He was just like the
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: people who haven't seen please go to YouTube and watch
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: Ramon Deckers highlights. Who ye, oh my god, some of
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: the highlights of his his knockout highlights, Like holy ship man,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: it's incredible. Everything was designed to kill you. Every shot,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: every leg kick, every liver shot, every punch to the face,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: everything was just full speed ahead, explosive smash. His ankle
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: was so fucked up that his doctor told him, like,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: you can't keep kicking with that thing, like you're gonna
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: like lose your ankle. Fucking taped it up and I
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: was still blasting.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: Was like a kid and I was watching these these
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: fights like, oh my god it was and then with
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: him being so explosive and then kicking on a on
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: a block on a knee or on an elbows, just
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: like oh it's just bone on boning. Uh oh just
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: just by looking at it just hurts.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: Just destroyed his ankle because of that. I mean in
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: his later fights later in his years, like when he
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: fought Dwayne Ludwig, mean, he had to have his ankle
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: damped all over the fucking place. The big thing was
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: like hanging on by a thread.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: But that's that's what we were talking about like earlier.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: It's like we as fighters putting our health on the
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: line for entertainment.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: I mean forever. He died young.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he died young. But okay, that that happens, you do.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: You do that because you love the sport. But then yeah,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: everything needs to be transparent and it needs to be safe,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: and the judging it, yeah, it needs to be It
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: needs to be invest money wise and with the judging
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: and everything just needs to be. Yeah, it needs to
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: be right because what we do is.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: Out of this world.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, and it's not just kickboxing, it's boxing. It's Emma,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: that's what, that's what we do.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: The reason why it's so exciting, It's part of the
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: reason why it's so exciting is we know how dangerous.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: It is exactly. But that's why I feel like it
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: has to be it has to be fair, and it
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: needs to be compensated the right way.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: So everybody's like, oh, he's making so much money yet, Okay,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: but he can only he can't do that till he's
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: sixty five or whatever.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Yeah, there's such a small window, which is
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: one of the things that's so extraordinary about your career
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: that you've managed to stay on top for so long. Yeah,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: Because generally when we look at world class fighters, there's
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: a rule that a lot of experts supposedly have said
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: is that it's about nine years. You can only really
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: compete in your prime for nine years. You've shown yourself
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: to be an exception to that rule because you've been
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: competing in your prime for a lot longer than that. Yeah,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: and you're not dropping off at all, and you weren't
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: dropping off. You're still dominating kickboxing when you decide to
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: step away. So it's like, even though you are an
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: outlier and that you've been able to extend it longer
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: than anybody. It's still there's a window. You're not gonna
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: be able to do this with your fifty. You know,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to do this for your sixty.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: It's like you have a small window where you can compete,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: and it's the people are paying to see you. They're
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: not paying to see the promoter, They're not paying to
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: see anything else. They're not paying to hear the commentators.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: They're paying to see the fighters perform as the very
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: highest level of the most exciting sport on Earth.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: But it's why I'm saying this because it's it's not
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: as much for me anymore, because I'm close to being finished,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: right you know, Like like we said, I'm in the
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: winner of my career. But it's for the next generation. Yes,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: the next generation should be excited to get into combat sports.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: I feel like, hey, I want to do this because
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: I can't and it is fair, it is transparent, and
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: I'm fighting. But I can make a very good living
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: out of this and I could build like generational wealth
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: Well that's what's really good about like this MVP PFL
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: merger and having a bunch of hype on that like,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: the more competition, the better. More it's the more eyes
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: on the sport, the more people watch the sport, the
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: more money will be in the sport. And then the
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: more the fighters will have options for who to fight for.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I think that's the best thing, Like
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: you just said, like.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: Options, Yeah, no, it's phenomenal.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: If you have options, that's the best thing ever. Right, Yeah,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: it's like, hey, we got this, we got that. And
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: it's not that you gotta like play them out against
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: each other. But still it's it is a good thing
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: because if you just have one option, it's like, hey,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: take it or leave it exactly, this is what it is.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: And if you get like the other guy's saying this,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: so let me go there.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: Reality is we could use one more, you know, not
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: just MVP, but also another. I wish one was doing better,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: you know, if one was doing better and they were
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: a viable option as well, because I know some guys
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: did go over there with great success, like Mighty Mouse
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: went over there with great success. We need more, We
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: need more options for fighters. And you know, it's it's
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: unusual in that in boxing, for instance, what's really important
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: is the name of the fighters. That's what's important. You know,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: if Dmitri Bvalls fighting, it's it's people are going to
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: say they don't give a fuck with the promoter. Is
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: they want to see bev All fight. You know, if
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: it's Arthur better beav they want to see him fight.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: That's all. That's all everybody gives a shit about in MMA,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: it's UFC. And the only the exception to that was,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: of course this last MVP card where Ronda Rousey fought,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: so everybody's like, oh my god, she's a legend, she's
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: fighting and that and Francis and Ghana was on the card,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: so a lot of eyeballs got on that. So we
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: need more of that, and more of that is good
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: for everybody.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: Like built like like we just talked about built stories
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: around those people. Yes, who are those people next to
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: being fighters? Okay, they're incredibly amazing in what they do
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: in the in the ring or in the octagon or whatever. Okay,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: but who is the person behind Yeah? Okay, Oh he's
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: a father? Oh really he has two? I never know? Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: So it gives that gives them so much more depth,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: and I also believe that that makes them more human.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, seeing their families exact, so everybody.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: Gets like closer to Wow, this guy could be my
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: neighbor because he also has kids. He brings his kids
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: to school.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: And whatever invested in him, like you like him, you
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: want to win. I mean, that's a big part of it,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: and that's something that they need to do and that
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: I think you're right about Glory. They really never did that.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: That was not really a part of the Glory promotion.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: They were just like the best for me work there.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: I'm a giant Glory fan man. Every time there's a card,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: I can't wait. But like watching people like what are
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: you watching? I'm like, Glory's on, Like the.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: Glory, Yeah, I heard about that.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: It's like even my friends in m m A don't
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: don't understand.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: Wow, the real the people that the trade, nurse and everybody.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: They a lot of times they get like the Glory
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: fighters into to prepare their fighters to to get into UFC. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: for big fights or whatever, because like, hey, they know
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: there's there's stand up I level.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, elite. I mean, and like I said, one, f
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: C has a lot of elite fighters. They're they're there,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: especially at the lighterweight classes. There's a lot of really
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Haggerty. He just beat Yuki Yoza. Who's another guy.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: This guy from Japan is Kyokichen guy fucks up people's
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: legs and he's really good. And then there is this
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: guy from Dagistan who might be the best striker alive
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: as Adula Imazaliev. This dude, he's really tall and he
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: fights at one hundred and thirty five pounds and fucking nasty. Man.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: He's so technical, undefeated, and he's from Dagistan. There's so
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: many savages that are coming out of Dagistan, just straight
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: up killers. Man. There's a dude who just won in
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: the PFL, Maga Manhov with just one of the PFL
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: this past week, had another guy he fights like Imazaliev.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: Real similar both guys from Dagistan, similar styles. Man, I
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: love it this question mark kicks and the elite stabbing
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: front kicks and just real slick stand up. You know.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: But in one FC they're having these guys fighting, and
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: you know, it's really big in Asia, but it just
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: has not caught on in America.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: No, And I think that's also where the problem is.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: I think with them, but also with with Glory, they're
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: just like pouring you money, pouring your money in a
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: certain moment, He's like, I was understand, like the one
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: that's investigated, Like how much money am I gonna need
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: to pour in this before it's gonna do something?
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: You know, they asked me to be They asked me
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: to be a part of that at one point in time.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: They wanted me to be like the Dana White of glory.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have that kind of time. I
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: don't have that kind of time.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: Exactly if you were gonna say I don't have that
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: type of money, I'm not gonna look at you like,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: come on, it's the time.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: It would be that you're so busy, you're so cool,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: you would have I know how hard Dana works. Dana
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: works all day every day. That guy is always doing something.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: He's always got deals going, He's always on the phone.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: He's always meetings and the headaches and canceled fights and
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: this and that trying to make things happen and promotions
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: and press conferences, and.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: It's like they want to change.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: I would never half assed something like that, and you
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: can't do that. To be a promoter is a.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: Lot, is a full time it's a full time job.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: And you know, Dana set the bar very very high,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: and he's the best ever. I think he's the I
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: think he's the greatest promoter of all time. And to me,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: for me to do that, like I couldn't, There's no way.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: That's why it's so cool that that he jumps into
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: boxing now, Yeah, and he's going to give that yeah,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: Verry and yeah.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: I mean those people are, you know, always nervous when
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: a new guy steps into sport. But I think it's
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: only better his reputation. Yeah, it's only yeah with money,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: with you know, like and the amount of money they're
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: throwing at the boxers. The MMA guys are like, hey,
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: what do you do the fuck? Where's that money for us?
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: But they still need to build up.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: It's all good for everybody. The more money there is
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: in the sport, the more attention, the more excitement. It's
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: better for Everybody's about.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: How cool would that be if there would be a
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: world where MMA fighters UFC fighters would also be able
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: to get into ZUFA and like, hey, you're you're a
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: good box We see like maybe there's something this is.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: Possible that they would do that, but right now they're
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: not concentrating on that they're just.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: They first need to position themselves as but like for the.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: Future it would be But then if you've got a
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: big star, like say, if you take a guy like
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: Max or something like that and he decides he wants
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: a box for a while, that means he's not going
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: to be able to fight in MMA fight. So that
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: would like cut off their own access to him as
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: an MMA fighter. And he's a huge star.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe then he attracts different different eyeballs him.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: But to do it right, you got to do it
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: like kind of like when Connor did it with Floyd.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: He took a whole year off and he was just boxing,
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: I mean really really concentrated on that and you.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: Can like go back into MMA again because they.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: Kind of messed him up. He kind of messed him
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: up going back in MMA again. He didn't have the
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: same momentum. It wasn't the same amount of training training
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: lost with grappling and especially with kickboxing. You know, like
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: we're only doing boxing. That training lost, like you have
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: to recalibrate your whole break forever.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: And I was just it was just excitement, yea, my
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: excitement put it out there.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: But for some guys it might option, you know, and
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: for some guys, especially after knee injuries, you know, where
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: boxing is not as hard on the knees, you know,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: you could say that, especially when it comes to grappling
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: and leg kicks, especially like those guys that throw those
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: sidekicks to the knee. Oh my god, there's calf kicks.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: I know, crazy, Oh my god, crazy.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: It's but after that, after they saw that within UFC
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: with an anime gigboxing Nelse's touch I do that.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: Isn't it nuts that it took forever for the calf
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: kick to a potent weapon, Like.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: But it's so dangerous. It's as dangerous because if you
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 3: if you hit the ship, it's like, oh, it's the
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: last kick you throw.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: But if you do it right, yeah, if you do
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: it right, like Alex Pereira destroys people's legs, destroys them.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: I don't even know how how it looks like he
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 3: with the side of the it's not even really.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: Like a low kick or it's weird. It doesn't weird.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: And he does it with no tell, no tell, no
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: switching of the hips at all, just throws the leg
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: out there and it only takes a couple Yeah, there's
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: a couple and then your legs fucked, and then you
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: see guys switches dances. Then it's even funny. That kid
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: that I was talking about in Japan, Yukiosa, he's phenomenal
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: at that man, his calf kicks are insane. He's just
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: in every exchange, every exchange, he's kicking the calves inside
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: and outside the kilkishing guy. So it's it's just all
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: just hard style inside outside outside.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 3: What do you what is your opinion on that? Because
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: me and my trainer we were debating the calf kick
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: because next to being super effective, it's also a long,
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: long term injury when you get put out by calf kicks,
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 3: because that injury stays there for quite a while.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's brutal. It's brutal.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 3: So do you think like it's a thing that should.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: Stare it's effective?
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: I mean it's really if.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: You can kneebar a guy, you can heal hook a guy,
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: you can rip his knee apart, you've got to be
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: able to calfkick. You know, this is a it's a weapon.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: To take away that weapon when we know how effective
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: it is. You got guys who are always used to
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: standing heavy on that front leg. Now all of a sudden,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: they can't do that anymore, like Connor. Perfect example, in
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: the window between Connor taking time off fighting Floyd Mayweather,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: getting fighting kobeeb and then getting back in MMA, then
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: the calfkip came along. He never fought with destroy There
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: was no calf kicks before Dustin Poier destroyed his leg
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: in that first round. By the time the second round
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: was rolling around in their second fight, he was already
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: wobbling on that front leg. Yeah. Crazy, crazy that it
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: took so long for that one technique.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, it's just the thing you see, and like, hey,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 3: it's effective that everybody started doing it.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: But again, dangerous, like you said, you go, I mean
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: this out. Chris Widman broke his leg. You know, he
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: threw a really hard low kick and he caught the knee,
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: caught the shin right below the knee and snapped his
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: leg in half. If it gets checked and you've and
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: you've hit it the wrong way, especially hit it the
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: low part of yours and the high part of his,
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: where it's it sense.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the hardest part.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's so effective. It has to stay. The
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: thing that bothers me more.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm happy. I'm happy.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: Like the sidekicks to the knee bothered me more.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's yeah.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see Khalil Rowntree and Modestas Bokaskos. You
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: ever see that? Oh, it's the worst one of all time.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: You see the leg legs, it turned sideways. He threw
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: a sidekick, caught him on the front leg and just
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: turned his whole leg sideways, and he.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 3: Screamed and the fight was rip everything apart.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, he had surgery. I had have surgery after
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: the fight. His leg was destroyed. When John Jones fought
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: Thiago Santos, it was I think it was, Yeah, Thiago Santos,
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: he blew out both his legs. He'd have knee surgery
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: on both legs after the fight, both legs. That's crazy,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: crazy because just throwing those oblique kicks and the sidekick
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: to the knee, Yeah, blew out both his knees.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: That's that's a kick I don't like.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: When Ian Gary fought Shop caught shot Cut Rockman Off,
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: who's a top welter wake Gary, one of the top contenders.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: He hit him with an obleaqe kick in his left
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: knee and his knees been fucked ever since and he
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: had to have surgery, had a second surgery and he's
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: still out.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what bothers me about that is that you
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: might not ever recover if your knee gets stripped to shreds,
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: your moniscus gets torn apart, your A C L MCL
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: gets blown out. So this is the this is Khalil
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: Rowntree watched this boo oh oh yeah, watch it from
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: this angle. Look at how man, this screams horrible, horrible.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: I wonder about that one. Look at that because I
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: feel like that one maybe is too much because it's
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: just like it's just a career career, a career ender. Yeah,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: I mean if we're I don't know, I'm torn because
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: on one sid one hand, it's like it doesn't happen
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: that often and you should be able to defend against it,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: and knowing it exists, you have to be able to
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: defend against it. But the thing is one could change
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: and you're out for a year. Like, like we said,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: a fighter really only has X amount of years to compete,
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: So one whole year gone from one kick is kind
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: of crazy.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: By the way, It's pretty extraordinary. How you do that
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: and how you know all those names and fights from
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know how long ago, and you're just like.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: But I don't remember a lot of other things. I
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: remember really good, but also kind of unreliable with some things.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: It's just focused on some of the things I care about,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: which is a lot of it as combat sports. But
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: the knee one, that's the only one that really bothers me.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: That in I think knees to the head to a
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: grounded opponent, I don't know.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: That's no.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: You don't think they should be able to do that.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think you should be able.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 3: To turn even stomp on somebody's head. But they're not
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: allowed to do that anymore.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: You can't stomp, but you can.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: Back in the day they did, they did that.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: You used to be able to stomp and soccer kick.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: But I think when a guy shoots on your leg
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: and just curls up in a fetal position, it just
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: holds on. You shouldn't be able to do that. You
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: should be able to knee that guy in the head
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: because he doesn't have to hold on to that. If
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: your knee is free and he can knee you in
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: the you should have to adjust that should that's a
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: it's too legitimate of a technique, you know, it's it's.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: Hard if somebody's on the ground.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: There's the problem also is the cage versus the ring,
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: because in a ring soccer kicks make more sense and
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: knees to the head make more sense because you can
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: move around and you can get away from it because
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: you could go under the rope, like if it knees
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: come into your head, there's a movement, whereas the cage
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: right there. And I think that that's an another element
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: of the fight, that's an unnecessary element. I think maybe
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: even what karate combats doing.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 3: Might be the best way to do it. Yeah, it
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: looks nice.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: I think that might be the best way to do it.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: The only problem with that is when you get to
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: the edge, you're stumbling because.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: You're you're it's like half.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: But learn how to adjust to that. And that's better
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: than a cage, because the cage is just a fucking
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: physical wall. So the thing about the ramp, the bowl,
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: that ship doesn't help you get up at all, Like
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: if somebody takes you down against that, that's you're not
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: That doesn't help you. Where a wall fucking helps you.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: And there's guys that are doing workouts now where they
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: put their back up against a wall and they're doing
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: kettlebell get.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 3: Ups where they there just to feel like, yes.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: They're lifting up heavy kettlebells and they're doing it in
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: stages getting up from the ground just to emulate that position.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: But it's a it's any But that's why I feel
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: like everything has The ring has certain things because I
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: feel like if you do Emma in a ring and.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: Somebody shoots or whatever, maybe they go through the ropes
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: they shoot, right, that's dangerous.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: But then like when Bernard Hopkins fought Joe Smith Jr.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: And he went through the ropes and fell, landing on
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: his head. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, so that's how the
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: fight ended. Like there's there's but I think that was
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: just shitty planning. I think they should have pads around
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: the ring, and they should you know, in case someone falls,
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't just hope they don't fall. Have something or
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: have a larger apron too. Yeah, that's you could You
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: could fix a lot with a much larger apron where
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: the guy falls out there's something around the edge of
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: the ring. But I think a cage The problem is
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: in most people's eyes, UFC equals cage. Like you fight
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: in a cage.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: And the mindset of it is pretty cool.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you get.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 3: Locked up exactly exactly nowhere.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something to be said for that.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it has something. But yeah, I hear what
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: you're saying. But it's like we just talked about, everything
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: has Yeah, he's pros and it's cons.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: Everything has its pros and it's cons and everything is
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: exciting in its own way, like boxing on its own.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: Like there's elements of boxing that you would not see
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: if they were allowed to do leg cakes and elbows
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: and all that. So there's something beautiful about just pure
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: elite boxing, and there's something pure about elite kickboxing, and
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: then there's something pure about elite moy Thai, and then
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: there's something pure about m m A about watching it
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: all together. And jiu jitsu as well. See that's the
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: other thing. The UFC is doing UFC Brazilian jiu jitsu,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: so they have these big UFC jiu jitsu matches. Really yeah,
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: so like kickboxing, and it's right there, it's right there, guys.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: I keep sending Dana White fights. I send them because
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: It to do this.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you should get involved in them. I think
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: he's too busy. He's too busy. It's also got that
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: slap fight ship, so he's doing that crazy.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: It's fun to watch.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like, oh, it's fun.
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  Speaker 3: Like I just stand there, just take a punch. I
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 3: just like try to move around and just slide and
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: you know, you just stand there.
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  Speaker 1: Stand there with your hands behind your back holding onto
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  Speaker 1: a thing. Just take it on the face.
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  Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, are pretty you're pretty big at him
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: if you do that, you're yeah. But that's why for
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: me that like now experiencing boxing, I really I can
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: really genuinely say that I see boxing as an art,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: oh for sure. And k boxing is it's been my life.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: It's brought me everything. So it's it's so much fun,
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: but it's it's more intense, it's more brutal, and it's quick.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: It's like the pace is so fast. And in the
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: championship fights with just five rounds, so if you lose
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: one round, you're like, oh, and now it's like, like
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: I said, it's an art, you have twelve rounds, And
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: I saw the bevo better be a fight, and then
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: for the first so many rounds better be for so
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 3: much better, and then later in the rounds and then.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 7: Bevo still got the got the win, Like wow, how
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 7: cool is that? Well, if you look at the fight,
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 7: you think, oh, this is not gonna go well, and
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 7: then he's so just and it changes. So it's like
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  Speaker 7: I said, I really feel like boxing is so much
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 7: of an art and you have twelve rounds to paint
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  Speaker 7: your masterpiece.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I know, and if you appreciate that art form,
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: you really understand it and appreciate it. It's beautiful to watch,
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: Like it's beautiful to watch like Floyd when he was
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: in his prime, we barely would get hit, could stand
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: and Floyd, unlike anybody else, was standing right in front
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: of everybody. He was barely getting hit. He was standing
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, he wasn't running away and moving around.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: He was right in front of us, and they couldn't
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: hit him.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: Shortener, And that's what I also liked or still like
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: about Canelo because after that fight, you saw the whole
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 3: transition Canelo mate and he took so I think I
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 3: truly believed that he took so much from that fight
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: with Mayweather because then he started applying it himself.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: Unquestionable, But oh I love that, Yes, unquestionably. Yeah, his
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: head movement got much better after that fight. I mean,
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: that's the think that happens. When you fight the elite,
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: you get Daniel Cormier always says, you get the rub
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: like you fight an elite guy, win, loser, draw, you
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: get the rub like some of it rubs.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 3: Off, aren't you exactly?
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: So that's why I'm excited to see you fight again too.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: I'm so excited to compete again. But let's let's see
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 3: who it's gonna be.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: Well, let's hope this podcast gets the wheels turning.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: We've blended some seats.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe his excellency, Well we'll hear this and he'll
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: decide that it's time to go and.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: I'll call you right after your Joe, Thanks, we did it.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: That would be make me very happy if we somehow
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: or another motivated them to get back to the negotiation table,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: because I.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 3: Just but just let's let's make an agreement. Now, let's
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: just make sure you're going to be there. Then.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: What was the last conversation you guys had about it?
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: I think a week a week and a half ago,
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: But was more more of a general conversation. Hey, we're
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: looking at Yeah, what's next?
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: So what did you say to them? Did you say
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: remas of course? And what did they say? Like?
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: God, yeah, but yeah, you need to you need two
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: parties for that, I said, I.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: Know, make it happen. You got to roll up to
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: Usik's house with the Brinx truck. Just backed that thing
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: up exactly, get the arm guards at the door, show
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: them all the gold.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: That's maybe my name and my face on it. Okay,
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: put it in first.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: I think that's the fight, and I hope you get it.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: I really do. But either way, your performance was extraordinary
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: and you've had a fucking incredible career. Man, you should
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: be proud. Yeah really with an incredible career in kickboxing.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: Greatest heavyweight kickboxer of all time.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. And it's
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 3: not just for me being here and sitting here now,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: because I've been seeing you and hearing you talk about
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: it for yeah, for years already. So like I said,
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 3: it is that it really really really means the world
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: coming from you, because you're an expert. You're you look everything,
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: you look at everything, you see everything, the different organizations
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 3: show you know where to place certain guys and from
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 3: history and from now, so it means the world.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my pleasure, brother, and honor to
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: have you.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 3: And again, thank you so much again for being here.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: So it's uh, it's been a while, but we're back.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: Well. I had to reach out after the fight. I
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, we got to do this,
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: we got to talk. I was like, holy shit, man,
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: I reached out immediately. It was like, the fuck you
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: had it?
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I saw the the episode you guys did
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: about it, you're talking about it.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I know it was incredible.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: But listen, brother, congratulations on everything. And I really really
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: really hope you get that rematch. Good see good scene, sir,
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Thanks, thank you everybody.