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  Daniel just doesn't care. Oh you cannot be the mic. Oh yeah,
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  oh yeah, Daniel doesn't care. He's like the countdown time shot. Guys,
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  that's great and great mute the mic. I always if I really didn't
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  care, I could do this. I'm just fatly like we're all getting be
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  cut off. Yeah, The Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek Podcast. You'll notice
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  I also like to talk over this because kind of lessons. That weird transition
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  is coming in a minute, bucks of music and the mom so I like
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  to keep talking. You listen to check cast The Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek.
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  It's right on your hosts Dan with me as always Daniel Scott. Trek
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  cast is taped for a live studio audience available in Espanol. We're available.
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  Yeah. I think that's it, right? Did I get everything? I
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  think so? I think so? Yeah, all right, almost as good
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  morning. See you guys doing doing fantastic. How are you guys doing?
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  I'm all right, I'm alright. It's raining here. Oh yeah, I
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  looked outside. I'm scared. Never it's whenever it's raining and I have to
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  do the show. It's like, you know, I feel like everyone expects
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  me to wear sunglasses, so I just wear them anyway. Nice, that's
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  great. I feel like if I don't, people who watched the show like
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  something something's off. I've watched Caster today, but something was off. So
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  we we went to see a musical at our local civic, CHALMSU Civic.
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  We saw the Sound of Music and it was past. It was really it's
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  one of the best musicals I've seen at the at the civic. It was
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  really really good, you know. And I hadn't seen the Sound of Music
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  in a really really long time, Like I don't think I've actually seen it
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  from start to finish since I was probably a teenager, you know. And
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  there was a warning in the in the in the program, uh, and
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  it said, well, I kind of understood this one. Hold on,
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  don't don't get angry yet. Uh. It said, you know the usual
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  there's gonna be missed, you know, like the fog whatever, and there's
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  gonna be Nazis and Nazi paraphernalia. And I didn't really think about it.
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  As soon as the first Nazi showed up, and as soon as the first
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  armband, uh, the Schwastika showed up, I felt a kind of way
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  about it. Yeah, same, I uh it, you know, And
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  the longer he was on the stage, the kind of more that way I
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  felt. And as soon as those you know, is during the like the
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  the scene at the like at the end of the movie or the end of
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  the musical, they've got the Nazi flags hanging down for when they're singing in
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  the show and everything, and you could feel something in the air, like
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  the collective of the entire audience kind of as soon as the next scene change
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  was when they got rid of those symbols, and it was it was you
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  know, you could you know, you feel this you know what that was?
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  That was the collective feeling of people saying, am am, I allowed
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  to enjoy this right? That was the uneasiness of is this is this okay?
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  Am I allowed to to enjoy this imagery? Even though there's nothing wrong
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  with that imagery. It's a story, Daniel, it's a historical it's a
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  historical setting. It's a story that takes place during an actual period of time
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  time that existed. To tell that story and not have that imagery is dishonest.
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  No, it would have been ridiculous if if if there hadn't been Nazi
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  soldiers, and and and the Nazi symbol, and yeah, it would have
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  been absolutely ridiculous. But and and and the point is less about what the
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  choice to use it or not. I think the more of the point of
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  my story is the fact that there was a feeling there, you know,
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  and it was a it was a strong feeling. And you know, my
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  nephews were in that play last year, okay, and same thing here you
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  know in North Idaho, Like you could feel the tension. Sure, it
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  was really weird. Was so it was put on by the local youth Christian
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  theater, Okay. And so like I was asking my nephew afterwards, like
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  where did they get those banners where I'm just curious, right, Like do
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  you just buy them on the internet? Like what I mean, I'm sure
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  you could, but right, but he was like, oh, somebody's grandpa's
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  yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, But here's so, here's
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  so, here's the thing. Yeah, let's say you're at a yard Salem
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  and somebody's grandpa passed away and they're selling all of his stuff and he and
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  he served in World War two and brought home spoils of war, which was
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  a thing. Yeah, back then okay, and he has a Nazi emblems
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  and he has a dagger, a Nazi dagger with a with a swastika on
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  it. What are you supposed to do with that stuff? Are you supposed
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  to destroy it? No? I don't, absolutely not. You don't destroy
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  history, whether it's good or bad, or whether it's perceived to be good
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  or bad. Okay. So, so then having a play with a historical
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  setting and not making it realistic is the same thing, don't I agree with
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  those things that were there is the same thing. You're destroying history. You're
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  not saying those things were good. This is the way, this is the
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  way it should be. Yeah, okay, And I'm glad I know that.
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  I know that you're not saying that. But I'm getting to the point.
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  I'm getting to the point where enough people think that you should destroy that
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  stuff that regular people are now uncertain how they are supposed to feel and how
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  they are supposed to react when they come into that when they observe that imagery
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  in a totally normal, innocent setting like a place at nineteen Yeah. Well,
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  and I'm thinking too, like, what was it the in enterprise they
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  had those Nazi episodes, didn't they have like a different symbol. I didn't
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  think they had this swasch because no, they did patches. I don't think
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  that was av I'm pretty sure the void. Okay, So here's there was
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  there was a plot. We can plot the shift. Yeah, okay.
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  In T O S they used the swastikas. In Voyager, they used the
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  swastikas. In Enterprise they danced around it. Yeah okay, Yeah, and
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  they used the S S symbols. And in the Captain America films, it
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  wasn't the Nazis, it was Hydra. It was Hydra. Okay, so
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  this is there's always been Hydra in those comic books. Hydra was Yeah,
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  well the Red Skull was a Nazimic. So you're saying they were just trying
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  to avoid the uncomfortableness or they were trying too they're trying to be okay,
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  whatever it was. Here's the degree of change. So I'm plotting. I
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  listed those chronologically in how in how they were released, and I'm showing like
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  this is the progression. You know, my son has probably never seen a
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  swastika. You probably wouldn't know what it was if I put it up in
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  front of him. Likely, Yeah, And that's a problem. No,
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  you're absolutely right. It's a difference between exposing to everything or burying your head
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  in the sand. Yeah, yeah, oh, absolutely absolutely. On a
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  lighter note, after the play, which was there, lighter note, you
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  started this Sunday morning storm. You can deal with it. Michigan won the
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  Big Ten championship yesterday sports It's true. In football. For those of you
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  who are followed, what was the score, go blue? It was twenty
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  twenty seven to zero twenty three D Yeah, I think it was twenty did
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  something like that? Did both teams have fun playing? There was Taylor Swift
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  there? I don't know. I don't think Taylor Swift was there. And
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  I'm pretty sure Iowa did not enjoy their time at goas Oil Stadium. So
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  okay, yeah, I woke up to this boy. I think I think
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  he means the sports talk. I'm pretty sure he means the sports talk.
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  It's better than a nazi talk. Yeah, we're just right out the gate.
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  Well, I saw the new Godzilla movie oh last night. Yeah.
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  I got some words about that. I boy, it was really good.
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  I really liked it. Which one that's not the minus one? Which one
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  is that that? No, it's the minus one. It's a minus one.
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  Okay, yeah, it's the what this one? Godzilla minus one?
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  What is that's the name of new movie. It's in theaters. Okay,
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  why is it called minus one? He's missing his girlfriend? No, no,
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  no. So the premise is that, or the idea is Japan was
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  so destroyed after the war. They were at zero, but then Godzilla attacked,
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  so now they're at minus one. Yeah. So it's a really good
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  movie. It's it's a good metaphor for like survivors, guilt for veterans.
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  Wait, what what are you talking about? Youre talking about World War Two
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  again? Yeah, it takes all place in World War Two. Okay,
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  yeah, so is this outside the the timeline that they've the last few movies.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's it's its own thing. Yeah, it's Godzilla,
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  it's else World's Hill. Okay, yeah I get that. I get
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  Yeah. It was really good, man, like really good, like the
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  Japanese film, right, yeah, so subtitles everywhere, but yeah, I
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  really did get I really recommend it. So okay, all right, well
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  should we get to the news. Say Dan already did the introduction, Yeah,
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  Galaxy Unpredictable stick exactly. We're gonna put this show up for what do
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  podcast get like awards? Like? I mean, yeah, there's the Webbies
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  the Web. I'm gonna nominate us as we should. Oh my lord.
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  All right, let's get to the news Star Trek News all right, and
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  you're gonna tell me. Are you using your your new mouse right now?
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  Yeah? All right, you gotta do something said it's wired? Yes,
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  yeah, unplug it, throw all right in the trash. Oh no,
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  Variety, that's what it sounded like. That's exactly what it sounds like,
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  only not as loud. Okay, Well great, Uh so it's not working
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  when I do this. Well you're not talking right, Okay. So anyways,
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  first story comes from from Variety, and yesterday during the Brazilian Big Comic
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  Book Convention that they're having over there, it was announced we got a we
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  got the release date ish for Star Trek Discovery. It's coming next year and
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  it is coming in April. So cool. So Discovery and Taxes got it?
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  That's all right? When is gonna be dope? Can you rate them
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  for us? The show Taxes? Uh, when Grandma died? Discovery.
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  This might be a spoiler for later when we do all the teer ranking a
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  's gonna wint it at the very tippy top, all right, all right?
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  Cool? And then our next news story comes to us from TV Line.
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  So let me see if I can play this clip for you guys.
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  We're finding out a little bit more about the Orville and what's what's gonna happen
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  with it? Adrian uh I can never pronounce her last name, Paulacky.
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  Yeah, if you was on the Inside You podcast with Michael Rosebob, I
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  actually listened to it. Yeah, So let me play this clip because it's
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  better to hear it from her. You're doing one now and it's you know,
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  it has to deal with space and a ship. No, no longer
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  doing that. That got canceled. We only did three seasons. Is it
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  not going anymore? I don't know truly the answer to that. I think
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  that there's the talk that it could possibly be something that certain people want to
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  do, But it's a really difficult show to shoot, man, it is.
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  So there you go. Is it canceled? Is it not? I
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  guess we'll never really know. It's just gonna go away. She made it
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  sound like it she doesn't want to do it anymore, because it sounds like
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  she's over it, expanding on when she said it's a difficult show to shoot,
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  not just you know, because it's a sci fi a lot of special
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  effect kind of show, but also because of the schedule and and Seth MacFarlane
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  is not from what I understand, he's not difficult to work with. He
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  just demands a lot from you know, everybody around him. And you know,
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  I would imagine it is a very difficult, you know, schedule wise
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  and tech wise and stuff show to shoot, very expensive passion project, right,
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  Like that's right? Right? That was That was Seth Macfarland's love child
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  and his love letter to Star Trek. Yeah. Well, plus, I
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  mean, if you look at the history of things that he has worked on,
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  most of the things he has worked on have been his things, right,
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  you know what I'm saying. It's Seth MacFarland doesn't get cast as an
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  actor in someone else's film, right. He made Ted, He made Ted
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  to He voiced a bear. Yeah, you know, he did the show.
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  Yes, he did a Family Guy, the one to put him on
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  the Math Family Guy. Yeah, still Run Guy. He did Americ Dad.
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  He does half the voices on the shows. So for him to then
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  do another show like like The Orville that he is also acting in. You
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  know, it's Seth's way, or it's well, it's just Seth's way,
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  right, so right, But if you're Seth McFarlane, I guess you can,
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  you know, to a certain extent, kind of do what you want
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  to do. Yeah. Yeah. And if you watch the the trailer for
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  that new Ted show, a bunch of the Orville actors are in it.
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  Yeah yeah, I noticed that Scott Grimes is one of the one of the
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  leads. I like him a lot. I loved him in The Orville.
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  I've said it before, I'm gonna say it again. Those two episodes,
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  uh, the one with the phone where he makes the girl in the hall
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  deck out of the phone, and the follow up to that where he goes
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  you know, he's stuck in the timeline and actually meets up with her.
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  I will rewatch those over and over and over again. And then I was
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  so pleasantly surprised. You ever watch a show that's been out for twenty years
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  but you're like, yeah, I guess I should watch this. I watched
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  Band of Brothers. Yeah, oh yeah, I had no I had no
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  idea he was in it. Yep, I had no idea. So I
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  was very pleasantly surprised to see him again in that. So, I you
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  know, I want to even if they don't bring the Orville back, I
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  want the continuing Inventions Adventures of Gordon. Yeah great. And that episode you
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  just mentioned, the second follow up to the Phone episode. I just rewatched
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  that recently and god so powerful. That made me angry, yes, like
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  for both sides. Yeah, you know, I mean I felt I felt,
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  you know, he making that show. He wanted his audience to feel
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  McFarlane and Grimes wanted their audience to feel angry, and they wanted to feel
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  betrayed, and I felt both those things. Chess visit so right. Scott
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  Drimes was great in Critters. I never saw Critters. You must have been.
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  Yeah, I haven't seen that him. Got to watch Critters. Yeah,
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  that's right. I like, I like. I like Scott pretends that
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  desire is just off camera, like waiting on every word. That's right,
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  she is away, sure, sure, yeah, uh does this hair and
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  makeup? That's right? That's right? Oh you know it? Okay,
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  thank you? There you all right, And our last news story comes up
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  from CBR and Tawny Newsom is talking a little bit about being on Star Trek,
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  and she did say that recently that she is in the writer's room for
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  Star Trek Academy. She has also mentioned that there are what she is calling
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  Cannon cops, and she may or may not be the most stringent about keeping
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  cannon on that show. So I thought that was funny. So what era
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  is that again? It's Discovery or yeah, it's the one they're working on
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  now. Yeah, and then I can't keep I keep hoping we'll get an
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  announcement that they move it to the twenty fifth century, where where everyone wants
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  it to be. M Yeah, everybody does, you're right, yeah.
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  And then she also mentioned that she's more than up for willing to play Mariner
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  again live action. She would love to play Mariner in Star Trek Legacy,
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  but there's no official confirmation that Legacy is going to happen anytime. She could
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  play Mariner in Star Trek Academy if they move it to the twenty fifth century,
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  right, that's right, Yeah, I know she would happen. I
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  know you listen to this show, so absolutely she does. There's three votes,
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  three votes for the twenty fifth century. Yep, Well there you go.
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  And that's all the news stories. Cool, So all right, we'll
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  see you next week. All right, take care, guys. Let's see
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  how this works with my mike, my mouse. Let's try the main topic.
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  Fun will now come out? Is it just me? Or those those
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  audio things a lot louder than we are? I think that's your new setup,
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  okay, because I have not changed the volume on any of them.
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  Okay, yeah, so here we go. We are doing a tier ranking
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  of all the Star Trek series and movies combined. So if you guys don't
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  know, these are tier ranking lists. The idea is you just more or
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  less you rank them all. You have five slots where to put things.
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  From what I understand, according to Wikipedia, this is based off a Japanese
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  style grading system. So like we would do five stars, they do is
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  like supreme and then abc D like typical academic. So is this a template
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  or something? This is a template, yes, okay, because that I
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  watched a YouTube video the other day and they were ranking, they were ranking
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  martial arts systems. Yeah, and this is what it looked like. And
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  now you're telling me this is a this is a Chinese thing, So that
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  kind of Japanese thing Japanese. I'm sorry, kind of that kind of makes
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  sense. Yeah, yeah, there are a ton of these, Like if
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  you go to tearmaker dot com you can find tear makers for literally everything.
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  Apparently these are very fun to do allegedly, so we'll try it all right,
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  Okay, So are the TNG movies each their own thing? Are they?
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  Listen with? Each movie? Each shows its own thing, Each series
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  is its own thing. So we're just kind of going, we've got them
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  all down here below, so we can start with any one of them.
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  Let's start with the short treks and we'll go from there. Are we are?
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  So? Are the episode? Are the series and the movies all mixed
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  in together? Correct? There's no particular order. Okay, They're all just
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  down here and then I can just drop them wherever. That's how it works,
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  gotcha, based off what you guys tell me, you know, gotcha?
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  So if as is supreme? Okay, So I was telling Scott before
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  we got on the air, Dan, my thought is for s tire the
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  tippy Top, we should only have three things on there, either three movies,
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  three three series or three total? Right, so two movies in a
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  series whatever. Okay, the very very Top of Star Trek. There should
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  only be three. Okay, if you will do I go, Now,
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  how does this work? So we're gonna I got I got my three,
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  so I mean, I don't know what we're doing. I got my two.
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  So yeah, let's I've got my three. I've got we'll talk about
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  each one so every and as we as we discuss, things can get Yes,
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  they'll be around and all that. Okay, Yeah, it's fluid,
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  so short tracks. So are we thinking top right of the right, at
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  the bottom, right at the bottom, really right at the bottom. I
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  was gonna not quite at the bottom. I mean, there's some good ones,
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  like the one, the triple one, the one with Spock and number
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  one idea. I think if we're talking about how significant they are in the
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  scheme of Star Trek, Okay, there's only like four or five of them,
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  and only two or three of them are any good. And if you
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  add all that together, we're talking about thirty minutes of of of Star Trek.
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  That's that's meaningful. I mean, even the worst episode of Discovery is
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  twice as long as that. Well, you make up a good point,
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  though, what is this criteria? Is it the most meaningful thing the one
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  that has the most impact or what we think are the most enjoyable to watch.
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  My I had envisioned most enjoyable. Okay, because I agree with that
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  most enjoyable watch. I have never, ever, ever, ever gone back
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  and watched one of those. None of them so and some of them were
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  really good. I mean it was There was the one with with Dwight shrewd
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  As. Yeah that was all right, Yeah, all right, that one.
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  That one was really good, and I watched it, Daniel. If
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  Dan continues to be racalca Trent, can you just go ahead and click him
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  off or mute him? Which big words? That's all right, I got
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  it, don't worry about it. Oh wow, Oh no, okay,
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  I really like that. I drove away, come back there, come back.
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  Oh. I really like the the Triples one I have. I have
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  rewatched that before, but I don't like constantly rewatch it. I've watched it
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  maybe two or three times. I'm trying to remember if I have watched any
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  of the short treks more than one. I don't think I have. Well,
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  you know what, it's fluid. We can move things around as we
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  move it up a notch and I'll just push it down later, I'll leave
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  it. We'll come from there, all right. Next one we will do
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  Star Trek. Which one is this one? Star trek five? Oh?
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  Bottom bottom? Yeah? Put it right next to uh, right next to
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  short trucks. And I'll tell you one of the one of the metrics of
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  why it's should be at the bottom is Okay, I can't remember its full
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  name. Happened the final Frontier? Yeah, I'm gonna tell you. I'm
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  gonna tell you right now why it doesn't belong at the bottom. Okay,
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  I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you right now. It's not the story, it's
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  the character moments. M m. Okay. This is someone where Kirk,
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  Spock and Bones go camping. Yes, and we we realize that these are
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  three co workers who have worked together away from home for the majority of their
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  lives, and once once they have finally have some time off, what do
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  they do? They go on vacation together. Okay, so that's that's that's
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  one character moment. The other one is and I know the story is not
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  that great, but the story gives us some good character moments. Do you
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  remember when Cyback is showing everyone their pain? Mm hmm, Okay, that
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  was the first time we really saw how painful it is for Spock to know
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  that the way his father looks at him. Yeah, that was the one
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  where he witnessed when he witnesses his own birth and sees his father was like
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  almost kind of repulsed by his what he looked like. He's so human,
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  He's so human, and even though he's a vulcan who's not supposed to express
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  emotions, you know, you could tell he was disappointed and ashamed of his
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  own son. And the last one I'll point out is bones when we find
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  out that our favorite doctor euthanized his own father and then they discovered a cure
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  for that illness. It was what was it like six months later or something,
• 26:56
  And you could see the pain in his eyes and and you know when
• 27:02
  he's when he's telling Cybock, uh, there's nothing I could do or something,
• 27:10
  you know, and you could see like he was trying to convince Cybok,
• 27:14
  but he was really trying to convince himself. You're right. Powerful moment.
• 27:18
  Those were some powerful, good characters. And the other moment of pain
• 27:23
  is a horror dancing No that right. No, the other moment of pain,
• 27:30
  which which I thought had the best line of the of the entire movie
• 27:33
  was after the prison break and they say it's Gotti, your a miracle worker.
• 27:37
  And he turns around and he says, then there's no medical about it.
• 27:40
  I know the ship like the back of the hand and knocks themselves out
• 27:45
  of the ball. I would like to also apologize to the trek cast audience.
• 27:49
  Horrible accent. Okay, we're moving this up to see tire then,
• 27:53
  yeah, that's all right. Movie. Now, let's here with a series
• 27:59
  enterprise. I liked it. I feel like it's very mid. It is
• 28:06
  mid yep. I agree. So in the in the end, like how
• 28:12
  many are going to be on each of these rows? It's whatever we come
• 28:17
  up with very We've just agreed that the top one is going to be reserved
• 28:21
  for the top three? Is only everything else? Does that? Yeah?
• 28:23
  All right, yeah, let's see. All right, let's get this one
• 28:29
  out of the way. Discovery So, uh is it? I can't see
• 28:33
  it from here? Is it one through zero or five through zero or whatever?
• 28:37
  Is there a numbering system? No? Okay, the colors don't make
• 28:41
  sense to me. I think green should be as for Supreme and then ABCD
• 28:47
  okay, okay, agreed, so deep I take to speak for Daniel,
• 28:52
  it should probably be up in the orange category. Yeah, okay, that's
• 28:56
  where we want it. You agree, right right? Dan? Oh there
• 29:00
  it goes. Wow for those out for those of you who Dan just left,
• 29:04
  he left. Now we'll put it out of the d DE Yeah,
• 29:08
  I agree with that. That's kind of pretty bad. Yeah, let's do
• 29:12
  Star Trek Beyond one of the movies. D That one was the second best
• 29:19
  one of the JJ movies. I think the level I think it's I agree
• 29:26
  with you. Seen it once. I've only seen it once. Beyond is
• 29:29
  not that bad. Yeah, Beyond isn't that bad. Beyond is on my
• 29:33
  DVD rack. Yeah, and it still has to cell Phane on it.
• 29:37
  Okay, it's better than Into Darkness. Yeah, not as good as as
• 29:44
  two thousand and nine Star Trek. See, and I'm thinking Into Darkness would
• 29:47
  end up in D. So I'm thinking so yeah, dance And I think
• 29:55
  Dan has some things to say about here here. Well, here's the thing,
• 29:57
  here's what I don't want. I don't want to do this ranking.
• 30:00
  And we have three in S and then we have two and D and everything
• 30:06
  else is in the middle. I think I think if it's gonna be a
• 30:08
  fair ranking at the end, there has to kind of If we want to
• 30:12
  keep Supreme just three, that's fine, but the others we kind of got
• 30:17
  to equal those those out Like I'm gonna disagree with you. I think it's
• 30:22
  gonna be more like a bell curve. I think most of it is gonna
• 30:26
  be average, and then there's gonna be some stinkers, and there's gonna be
• 30:30
  some ones that reign Supreme, which is most franchises. But that's I mean,
• 30:37
  I love all Star Trek. I would watch you know, if I
• 30:41
  had to, I had to watch Star Trek Discovery again, I would watch
• 30:44
  it again. I'll watch it Darkness again. I've watched I've said Darkness more
• 30:47
  than once. I've said this before and I'll say it again because it always
• 30:51
  gets a few laughs. Star Trek is like sex. Even when it's bad,
• 30:55
  it's still pretty pretty good. Yeah. Uh speak of which, let's
• 30:59
  go the motion picture. I would I would put it. I would put
• 31:07
  it as it be really a what Yeah, it's you should be punished by
• 31:15
  watching the intro to that movie again. I don't have an hour. The
• 31:21
  show is not that long. The thing that that movie ever did for us
• 31:25
  was give us the theme to the Next Generation. Yeah, actually it gave
• 31:30
  us. It gave us most of the special effects shots for The Wrath of
• 31:36
  Khan because they were So it's an important film because of that. It's it's
• 31:42
  the first time we saw Star Trek with actual special effects, and you can't
• 31:48
  just throw that away. Okay, So that makes it important? Does it
• 31:52
  make it enjoyable to watch? See? That's for this one? Star Trek
• 31:59
  the Motion Picture? I agree it's important because it was the first original series
• 32:02
  movie. You know it, But it was just a stinker to watch.
• 32:07
  It took so long. How many Friday night and chilling out? How many
• 32:13
  times have you watched it? Scott? Okay, time to be honest,
• 32:19
  from start to finish, I've probably seen it half a dozen times. Okay,
• 32:22
  and you still haven't watched to say that's a fair point. But to
• 32:30
  be honest with you, I only watch it when I'm doing a Star Trek
• 32:32
  movie marathon and it's one of the movies I have to watch because it's it's
• 32:37
  the first one, which which means you've done half a dozen Star Trek movie
• 32:40
  marathons. Yes, still, and you've still never watched to S. I
• 32:45
  don't know. In my defense, I just finished season one of the original
• 32:50
  series. Okay, so watch it five more times and then it'll have caught
• 32:54
  up. Okay, I'm serious saying. I'm serious saying. But I've fel
• 33:00
  like I've only watched the original the motion picture happened other times by default.
• 33:05
  It's not a it's not a brief film. If you want to put it
• 33:08
  in the yellow one, that's fine with me. Yeah, it's okay.
• 33:14
  Now that's fluid. We can move things around. And I'm gonna tell you
• 33:15
  when I when I had when my wife and I were dating and I introduced
• 33:20
  her to all my nerves ship, we watched two, three and four.
• 33:27
  I did not even I didn't make her watch t o S. I didn't
• 33:30
  make her watch the motion picture. I started with Wrath of con Okay,
• 33:34
  and she's a fair woman for it. All right, Let's do start Trek
• 33:38
  four, the one with whales that's up there. That's that's an A.
• 33:45
  I feel like that's solid A. Yeah, that's that's not top tier,
• 33:50
  but that's not top Tierra. Grab Wrath of Khan and put it right above
• 33:54
  it. Do that. Now, the Lombardo's wrath. The gun, Like
• 34:02
  I said, it's fluid, we'll move it around. This kind of activity
• 34:06
  is where you find out who your friends are. That's right. The gun
• 34:09
  there for now friends, friends for colleagues series, the original series, I
• 34:23
  feel like that's the man. Uh maybe no, it's not. See you
• 34:30
  got to give it its props. It's not it's not supreme, right.
• 34:36
  I can't adjust because I've only seen the first two episodes of season two so
• 34:39
  far, so you think, really know what it's not good. I think
• 34:46
  everything else on this list is derivative of that. That's true, but yeah,
• 34:52
  great to watch. You ahead and try to rewatch the original series.
• 34:58
  I think it's I mean, I'm read for the people. My wife is
• 35:00
  suffering for the people. In fact, it's the first. It's it's special
• 35:04
  because it's the first. It's it's it's not the first Star Trek series we
• 35:08
  watched together, because we watched some of the newer stuff together, but you
• 35:12
  know it from the old school stuff. We're experiencing it together for the first
• 35:15
  time. She's seen a lot of the episodes before she met me, and
• 35:20
  I've seen a few of the episodes, but for the large part, most
• 35:23
  of these episodes I've never seen before. Yeah, Bronson's even saying b for
• 35:28
  for this one. All right, all right, okay, we'll leave it.
• 35:32
  It's fluid, it's fluid. Let's do this on the card. That
• 35:38
  one was not very high on my list. I think you can go straight
• 35:45
  D because that last season was amazing. That last season was amazing, but
• 35:49
  that was one third of the series. So I think it's a solid C.
• 35:53
  You guys are oh my god, you and your godda what do you
• 36:00
  think of Dan? Well, they're not all great, they're not all bad.
• 36:07
  Noah, all right, leave it, leave it at sea for now,
• 36:10
  for now again, this is this is this is all fluid. This
• 36:14
  is fluid. All right? What is this one? Start dragging four?
• 36:21
  Didn't that the way? We already do that one? Which one is this
• 36:22
  one? Oh? That's undiscovered country? Well, oh yeah, undiscovered country?
• 36:29
  If if okay? All right, so put four, put four up
• 36:31
  in uh in a okay, and leave undiscovered country right where it is.
• 36:37
  Because that one's great too. Yeah, that one's pretty pretty top. Okay,
• 36:39
  So for those of us, for those of the audience who aren't watching
• 36:43
  this, let's let's do a quick audio recap of what what we got going
• 36:49
  on as far? And you'll have to do it because I'm I'm watching this
• 36:52
  on my phone, so I can't. Okay. So right out the s
• 36:54
  here the tippy top, we've got the Wrath of con so a level so
• 37:00
  kind of just just from the very top, we've got Star Trek four and
• 37:06
  six, the Whales and Undiscovered Country. Mid level we have Enterprise and the
• 37:10
  original series C ranking so just barely getting by. We've got Short Treks,
• 37:19
  Star Trek five, Star Trek Beyond, the Original Motion Picture and Picard.
• 37:23
  And then in the D level we have Discovery. All right, So in
• 37:28
  the toilet is Discovery, got it correct? Okay, just just recapping for
• 37:34
  those at home. Yeah, next the animated series. I haven't watched it,
• 37:38
  don't have an opinion. If it's half as bad as the original series,
• 37:42
  and it belongs with the original series or belongs in the d nobody Okay
• 37:47
  watched it. Yeah, I own it. I've watched two or three episodes
• 37:52
  of it and it's a slog so okay, someday it's one of those things
• 38:00
  things where I'm saving it, Yes, someday. Star Trek three, the
• 38:07
  Search for Spot See one, it gets clumped in with two, three,
• 38:15
  and four. People watch, you know, The Wrath of Cod The Search
• 38:17
  for Spot, The Voyage Home. People don't realize that even though it's got
• 38:22
  some wonderful acting with uh Christopher Lloyd, it's not nearly as good as those
• 38:30
  other two movies. It isn't There are some good moments in there when David
• 38:35
  gets murdered. Yes, that was powerful. Shatner does some of his best
• 38:39
  acting right there. I feel like it makes a B man. Yeah,
• 38:43
  I think it is a B Yeah, I think I think it's b I.
• 38:46
  Okay, I I that's fine with me. Okay, let's let's do
• 38:51
  a good one the next generation. That's number one. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:57
  I agree, Okay, that's where Star Trek was firing on all ball cylinders.
• 39:02
  Absolutely, yep, first contact. Put that right up the top.
• 39:07
  Also, I agree, I agree, put it at the top. That
• 39:13
  belongs if IF All right, So what the Wrath of Cohn was to t
• 39:20
  O S that is, to the next generation again, Yes, that was
• 39:25
  the That is the best example of a TNNG film. And now what about
• 39:32
  generations general? Good? As for contact, enjoyable? I think it's solid
• 39:39
  B man, It's not terrible. It's not great, it's it's it's okay.
• 39:45
  Yeah, I can see the argument for B. Yeah, I rewatch
• 39:47
  it a lot. Again, there's some there's a lot of good moments in
• 39:51
  there. The the story, I feel like the story was they sat down
• 39:55
  in the writer's room. They were like, all right, here's what we
• 39:59
  gotta wear with Captain Kirk, Captain Picard. Yeah, destroy the Enterprise,
• 40:07
  d uh, and we want Klingons in there too, and whoop Goldberg is
• 40:12
  coming back. Yeah, so write a story. What can you do?
• 40:15
  What can you do? It's also a Star Trek's only Christmas movie. Yes,
• 40:21
  right, it's true. That's true. I mean it's no die Hard
• 40:22
  but not quite die Hard. But yeah, because we've established it. A
• 40:28
  Christmas movie is just a movie that takes place during Christmas, the Christmas scene.
• 40:32
  That's right. Star Trek Insurrection. Star Trek Insurrection is not a good
• 40:39
  Star Trek film. It is an excellent two part episode of the Next Generation.
• 40:45
  Again, I have to agree with I have to agree with Dan.
• 40:47
  So we think it be are we think can see an argument can be made
• 40:52
  for either one. I would like to see it in the B column.
• 40:55
  Yeah, okay, I'm okay with that. But what about Nemesis. I
• 41:02
  hate Nemesis. I'll watch it. I think it's got some rewatchability, it's
• 41:07
  got some great scenes. I hate what the director did with it. I
• 41:09
  can't stand that director. He knew nothing about Star Trek coming in. He
• 41:15
  had done some action films and knew about that kind of stuff, but he
• 41:19
  was so ignorant about Star Trek. He was so ignorant about what the fans
• 41:22
  wanted, and they just didn't. They made some changes in in in the
• 41:30
  whole franchise that you know, and I'm not just talking about the death of
• 41:34
  data, which you know, some people argue it was a good thing or
• 41:36
  a bad thing for the movie. But the way they went about, you
• 41:40
  know, some of the some of the technical things in the movie I didn't
• 41:44
  like, like, oh, our long range censors have discovered a positronic signals
• 41:51
  from where from you can detect that from how far away? It was just
• 41:54
  there were some great parts of the movie. The Argo was amazing. I
• 41:59
  love that the all terrain vehicle right that was like finally they need a dune
• 42:07
  buggy awful. It was. It was like it was I feel like,
• 42:13
  okay, so I feel like they're sitting down and they're like, all right,
• 42:15
  Patrick, we really want you to come back for this movie. And
• 42:19
  he says, you know, I've always wanted to drive a dune buggy.
• 42:23
  You know, Patrick wants to buggy. Get him a dune buggy. Yes,
• 42:30
  we're gonna talk to our dune buggy guy. Yeah, we're gonna make
• 42:32
  it happen. That's actually what they did. They talked to like a professional,
• 42:36
  like off road vehicle maker. You no, it's a real vehicle.
• 42:42
  Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's d level man. It's yeah,
• 42:50
  okay, all right, all right, all right. But again, just
• 42:53
  like your rule for the top tier, I think our bottom tier should also,
• 42:59
  you know not there shouldn't be too many stinkers in the bottom row.
• 43:02
  Well, again, this is all fluid. The end we got into darkness.
• 43:07
  Darkness begins with D, so put it into the D column. Yeah,
• 43:13
  darkness and darkness, my old friend. I've got thoughts about that one
• 43:16
  too. It was bad. It was number one, trying to regurgitate the
• 43:23
  original series movies with with con and you know the fact, you know that
• 43:31
  they changed it. I mean they they almost made fun of themselves when they
• 43:36
  were doing it, because they made it so that Kirk was the one that
• 43:39
  died and Spot sort of had to you know, endure that. And it
• 43:45
  was I don't like to use the word derivative because this is all derivative,
• 43:51
  but it was kind of derivative. Yeah, there was so much about that
• 43:55
  movie I didn't like, you know, at the end of the towards the
• 43:59
  end, when you know, young Spot is like, you know what I'm
• 44:01
  gonna do. I'm gonna call old Spot see what he thinks? What are
• 44:06
  you doing? Right? Yeah, you can't see that. Come on,
• 44:09
  Jasper says. It's like the Rise of Skywalker. Yeah, oh yeah,
• 44:15
  yeah, yeah. It wasn't great Again, I will watch it. Yeah
• 44:20
  again. The fight scene was fun, was it? There? Like two
• 44:25
  two skydiving scenes, like two movies in a row. They did the same.
• 44:30
  In fact, Kirk mentioned that in the film. He's like, yeah,
• 44:34
  I've kind of already done that before. Yeah. So yeah, yeah,
• 44:39
  it's like we're gonna do this ridiculous thing, but while we're doing it,
• 44:44
  we're gonna say how ridiculous it is. You won't be ridiculous. No,
• 44:47
  in the column right now? Yeah, oh oh you've got something different.
• 44:52
  Oh okay, darkness Oh yeah, in the dark in the darkness selem
• 44:58
  Okay, yeah, see oh man again, it's fluid. We'll figure it
• 45:05
  out. The JJ Star Trek movie the first one I hate. Hold on.
• 45:13
  I hated it the first time I watched it. Okay, no,
• 45:15
  let me let me rephrase I. I enjoyed the experience the first time I
• 45:21
  watched it. But I've got mixed feelings about this. I got a lot
• 45:24
  of emotions about Star Trek two thousand and nine. Yeah, first of all,
• 45:30
  I I I missed it in the theaters. Okay. I watched it
• 45:35
  at an MWR in Iraq, and so it was a tiny screen, a
• 45:38
  bunch, kind of a noisy situation, but everybody sort of gathered around to
• 45:45
  watch it, and everybody knew I was a big Star Trek fan, So
• 45:50
  just the the situation was kind of cool. The way I watched it at
• 45:53
  the MWR. It stands for Morale Wellness Recreation Area. It's kind of like
• 46:00
  a place. Yeah, it's like a place you go to play board games
• 46:06
  and video games and you know, stuff like that. The military, the
• 46:09
  military has to make an acronym right out of everything. Yeah, they can't
• 46:14
  just the cineplex, you know. So I had an issue with this movie
• 46:19
  recounting everything. At first, I I when when Vulcan was destroyed in this
• 46:25
  movie, I I had feelings about it, and I couldn't quite articulate what
• 46:30
  they were. So but as I've as I've seen the movie over and over
• 46:35
  again, I appreciate it more. I think it's really really good. I
• 46:38
  think that jj Abrams should be commended for what he, you know, for
• 46:45
  kind of a Star Trek outsider coming in and what he was able to do
• 46:50
  with the franchise, because really we have JJ Abrams two thousand and nine Star
• 46:53
  Trek to thank or keeping the flame lit a little bit, the gap between
• 47:00
  Enterprise and Discovery, keeping that keeping keeping the seat warm a little bit.
• 47:07
  I think we have him to thank for it. I think it's a fun
• 47:10
  movie. Man. I like it. I think it's a solid a yeah,
• 47:15
  you could put it in the day. It is a strange thing.
• 47:20
  There's a strange phenomenon that this movie has created, at least in my in
• 47:24
  my head. I don't know if anybody else deals with this, but this
• 47:29
  is the one that created two timelines, right, yes, both of which
• 47:36
  continue to have new stories in them. In one of these timelines, the
• 47:42
  planet Vulcan doesn't exist anymore. In the other timeline, the planet Romulus does
• 47:47
  not exist anymore. And every once in a while in my head I have
• 47:52
  to go, wait a minute, hold on which timeline is this? Which
• 47:57
  planet is? Okay, so are the Romans homeless and this one of the
• 48:00
  Vulcans homeless in this one? So I still get confused about that. Wait,
• 48:05
  I have a questiontimes aren't in the Kelvin timeline, aren't both planets gone?
• 48:10
  No, just no Vulcan? Then why was Nero so pissed because it
• 48:15
  went away in his timeline? And he was just going to be outraged.
• 48:17
  That was one of the points that they made. They were they were telling
• 48:21
  him Romulus is still alive, it's here, it's right, you can go
• 48:23
  there right now. Yeah, right, But in the Kelvin future, won't
• 48:30
  Romulus still be gone? But he was going to warn them about it was
• 48:36
  okay, okay, okay, gotcha, it would have been okay, all
• 48:39
  right. Yeah, Well, we've never really seen a Kelvin future. We've
• 48:44
  never seen a Kelvin right, twenty fifth century or twenty fourth I imagine there's
• 48:47
  comic books and books if you really want to find it that'd be interesting if
• 48:51
  anybody listening has read those or knows any more information about that, let us
• 48:55
  know in the like the facecript face group chat, or don't we could just
• 49:00
  leave it alone. Hey, hey, all right, let's Voyager? Is
• 49:07
  Voyager really good? It's it's it's up there, you know it's it's part
• 49:14
  of the original next Gen three if that makes any sense. Yep, you
• 49:19
  know it's the most rewatched on Netflix when it was on there. It's in
• 49:23
  my When I made a list of of of shows, of all nine,
• 49:29
  I guess ten, uh series, it came in number four for me.
• 49:34
  Yeah, so I'm okay with the second or third tier. I'm okay with
• 49:40
  A or B like I think if it's either one, fine, I think,
• 49:45
  yeah, yeah, there's a lot of episodes that I really enjoy from
• 49:49
  that one. And then our last one d S nine stolid right right up
• 49:54
  on the top. And then we can argue about which one is going to
• 49:58
  come out. I think First Contact the one that goes out. Let's see
• 50:01
  what else what else is there? D n G First Contact Face Steine.
• 50:08
  Okay, so what maybe we can kind of eliminate by saying do we want
• 50:14
  one movie, two series? Up there? Do we want one series and
• 50:16
  two movies up there? What's most what's most re why? But what do
• 50:21
  we enjoy the most? Before me? Let me, I'm gonna go back
• 50:27
  and within the individual columns, yeah, like column asked, column or not
• 50:31
  columns rose? Excuse me? Within the individual rows, are we then putting
• 50:37
  them in ranking order or they all they're just not three ss? Yeah?
• 50:40
  Okay, all right, because you know, normally i'd say, okay,
• 50:49
  take take First Contact out and put it in uh column a or excuse me
• 50:55
  row a. Yeah, but then you've got Star Trek First Contact right next
• 51:00
  to Star Trek oh nine. And I don't think that's a fair Yeah,
• 51:06
  I don't think they're in the same league. See, and I kind of
• 51:12
  think they are, Yeah, I said it. Then you've also got a
• 51:19
  Star Trek Voyager in the same in the same row as Star Trek First Contact.
• 51:24
  Yeah. This is where it gets all when when well, it is
• 51:28
  dicey because the last four seasons of Star Trek Voyager are all derivative of Star
• 51:36
  Trek First Contact, the Boorg Queen, all of the nanoprobes and and u
• 51:47
  Uni Matrix this and Borgs fears and yeah, that's all. Even the costumes
• 51:55
  were recycled from First Contact. Oh boy, So if you're talking about a
• 52:05
  true bell curve, Yeah, if you want to pull First Contact and put
• 52:09
  it in row A, I think you have to drop Voyager down to B
• 52:15
  with it. I'm fine with that, like I said, And I think
• 52:19
  you gotta and I think you gotta put Star Trek on nine down there too.
• 52:22
  Oh I mean I could see it. It's a solid be to B
• 52:29
  plus twitter put it. Put it there and we'll see how it looks.
• 52:30
  All right, it looks good. So all right, let's do another.
• 52:34
  Let's do another audio recaps. All right, we'll start from the bottom up.
• 52:39
  So in the D tier we have got Star Trek, Discovery, the
• 52:45
  animated series, and Star Trek Nemesis. This is the lowest. In the
• 52:51
  Sea tier, we've got five of them. We've got the Short Treks.
• 52:53
  We've got Star Trek five, We've got Star Trek Beyond Star Trek the Orige
• 53:00
  Motion Picture, Star Trek Picard, and Star Trek Into Darkness B solid bes.
• 53:07
  This is our biggest tier. We've got what is it, A bunch
• 53:10
  of them. We've got Enterprise, we've got the original series. We have
• 53:14
  two thousand and nine Star Trek, we have the Search re Spock, we
• 53:17
  have Generations, we have Voyager, and we have Insurrection. In the A
• 53:22
  tier just above the very best or just below the very best, we've got
• 53:28
  Star Trek four, we got Star Trek six, and First Contact, and
• 53:34
  then at the very tippity top at the S tier, we've got our Holy
• 53:38
  Trinity. So far, we've got the RATHACN TNG and Deep Space nine.
• 53:45
  Okay, I'm about to throw a monkey into the Where's lower decks and Prodigy?
• 53:52
  So that's not wasn't on here because of that. I couldn't. I
• 53:55
  didn't build this and I just realized that as we were making it. Okay,
• 54:02
  well hold on, Adam, give me a sec. So while he's
• 54:08
  doing that, Dan, what do you think about the tears? What?
• 54:12
  What do you think about it so far? What would you what do you
• 54:15
  feel strongly about that we should change? Let's see mm hmm. So part
• 54:29
  of my bias is do you have feelings? Well, I I not.
• 54:34
  I was just gonna say. Part of my bias is that I started becoming
• 54:37
  a Star Trek fan during the third season of Star Trek the Next Generation,
• 54:42
  And so that is my era. I I I appreciate that era, those
• 54:47
  those crew more than I do the original series one. I love Star Trek
• 54:52
  two. It's a fantastic movie, and it's it's outdated obviously because it's from
• 54:57
  the eighties. So me personally, I enjoy the Next Generation, Deep Space
• 55:04
  nine and First Contact the most, and it's probably what I've rewatched the most.
• 55:09
  Okay, we got Prodigy and we've got lower decks. All right,
• 55:14
  look before we put those in, let's let's Scott finish his uh yeah,
• 55:17
  well that's that. We'll let him finish his saw and then I'll tell him
• 55:22
  why he's wrong, why that's how this show works. That's right. There's
• 55:27
  Daniel and the third guy is wrong. That's right. So I just you
• 55:31
  know, Next Generation era is is kind of where I'm at as far as
• 55:36
  my enjoyability for it. Yes, you know the Star Trek Exchange New Worlds?
• 55:43
  Was that in there? Oh? No? Oh? Please, man,
• 55:46
  Holy cow? What are we doing? Hey man? I did not
• 55:51
  build this thing. I just used it because we should have twenty by my
• 55:54
  account, we should have twenty three different wow things, well twenty four if
• 56:01
  we include Yeah. So there's some couple on my list that I'm not including
• 56:07
  like the the animated series, and I didn't include short Treks, so we
• 56:13
  should have twenty twenty four at least unless I'm missing one. So just so
• 56:22
  you know, Scott, and don't don't let your head get too big pondaring
• 56:27
  this. But when I've seen every episode of TNG multiple times, but when
• 56:35
  I introduced my wife to it, that's where we started. We started with
• 56:38
  season three, okay, yeah, so yeah, that's when it got good.
• 56:44
  I think it's universally accepted that season three is when yeah threw out puberty.
• 56:52
  So prodigy, I'm thinking solid seat here. Yeah, I can't argue.
• 56:57
  I guess have you both watched the entire thing. It was like two
• 57:00
  or three episodes. It's okay. I know a lot of people love it.
• 57:05
  I don't. It wasn't geared towards us. Yeah, my twelve year
• 57:08
  old loved it. He thought it was and it's the only Star Trek that
• 57:12
  he gives a crap about. Okay, lower decks, I'm thinking solid a
• 57:17
  yep, yep, that's an a. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's very
• 57:22
  enjoyable. Yeah, I don't think it's the tippy top, but I think
• 57:24
  it's pretty good. Ye, Strange New Worlds. I would also put that,
• 57:30
  oh absolutely, ay. Here's where I'll argue we got two seasons of
• 57:35
  Strange New Worlds. First season fantastic, second season very okay, Yeah it
• 57:39
  was okay. I would say, be yeah, well, let's put it
• 57:46
  there and we can let's look at it. We can argue there's your bell
• 57:50
  curve, right, and where's the well, yeah, where's the Galaxy Quest?
• 57:59
  It's not on here, Lexie, it's s s okay, super Supreme,
• 58:04
  super Supreme? Gotcha? As is the orbe right? Yeah? Start
• 58:08
  galaxy question? And and uh what is that? What's what's the that's just
• 58:14
  a water show? D S nine or oh SeaQuest sequest? Yeah yeah,
• 58:23
  Daniel, why don't you go see if the shuttle pot is hiring? What
• 58:28
  are you talking about? Sea Quest? Are you serious? That's right?
• 58:30
  Right time? Throw sliders in there? All sliders? Wasn't bad? Oh
• 58:39
  boy, Paul is not happy with what strange in the world being beatless.
• 58:44
  Hey man, I don't seasons. Half of them are good, okay,
• 58:50
  okay, one more quick rundown, just our this is our first uh first
• 58:57
  run through? Okay, the very bottom We've got star Trek, Disco,
• 59:05
  the animated series, and Star Trek Nemesis CEA level. We've got the Short
• 59:10
  Treks, the What is It, the Final Frontier, Star Trek, Beyond
• 59:17
  Star Trek, the original motion picture, Picard Into Darkness, and Prodigy B
• 59:25
  level. Here's your mid range. We've got Enterprise, we have the original
• 59:29
  series, we have two thousand and nine Star Trek, we have the Search
• 59:31
  for Spot, we have Star Trek, Strange New Worlds, we have Generations,
• 59:37
  we have Voyager, and we have Insurrection our A level, solid,
• 59:43
  really good. We've got the Star Trek for the Whales, Voyage Home,
• 59:52
  Star Trek six, Undiscovered Country, First Contact and Lower Decks, and then
• 59:59
  our tippy Top. We've got the Rathacon, Next Generation, the Show and
• 1:00:06
  Deep Space nine. All right, let the hate mail come on in.
• 1:00:10
  That's rights Battle Star. Wait the old one or the new one? Think?
• 1:00:20
  Yeah, runs is the strange as the world is. I don't disagree.
• 1:00:25
  Here's here's here's what I'm thinking. Yeah, I think we should leave
• 1:00:30
  this the way it is because I'm kind of satisfied with what I don't.
• 1:00:35
  I don't hate it. We can a few tweaks, but we can do
• 1:00:38
  uh, we can open up the lines and do our feedback segment. And
• 1:00:45
  while we're doing feedback listener feedback, if anyone wants to chime in on any
• 1:00:50
  changes that they think, we will consider them and then disregard them, and
• 1:00:54
  then we can tell them that they're wrong. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
• 1:01:00
  yeah, ok, yeah. Oh. Bronson says, first contact is s
• 1:01:06
  tier. Well I don't know, man, I don't know. Well,
• 1:01:09
  all right, let's play this the top tier. I agree there, I
• 1:01:14
  agree, all right, Jaz uses ext I don't. I haven't updated the
• 1:01:20
  feedback. So whatever I'm putting, the Lincoln Star Traktirs Contact is better than
• 1:01:27
  Star Trek, the Wrath of Ghn. There I said it. Oh yeah,
• 1:01:35
  no, buddy, come at me. Let's say no. But but
• 1:01:40
  this is what there's problems. There's problems with there's problems with first contact.
• 1:01:45
  Oh yeah, there's problems problems with first contact. And the only reason we
• 1:01:49
  democrat is this problem. There's problems that I only realized like last week.
• 1:01:55
  Uh huh, and and now it kind of ruined it a little bit.
• 1:01:59
  Like how they how they how they land the Phoenix. Yeah, look at
• 1:02:07
  Scott's face, Look at his head right now, his head is going to
• 1:02:12
  explode. How did they land the Phoenix? And then now where are they?
• 1:02:15
  Montana? Yes, central Montana? Right, Okay, I could drive
• 1:02:22
  there. Okay, so they didn't. They didn't. They didn't land it
• 1:02:24
  like an Apollo shuttle Apollo. They didn't drop it in the ocean. Maybe
• 1:02:29
  they did pick up that four meter cockpit. Maybe that detached and and then
• 1:02:36
  and then they were ready. They were back. They were back at the
• 1:02:40
  rec center an hour later to have drinks with the Vulcans. What you'd rather
• 1:02:44
  watch Void? My wife says she would rather Scott will probably kill me,
• 1:02:46
  But I would rather watch Voyager than Deep Space nine. Also, I like
• 1:02:51
  Star Trek four best, but the okay, Voyager and d I will put
• 1:02:55
  the better sign off? You better sign off and go handle that. Yeah,
• 1:03:07
  we got Jazmin, let's bring him on. Hey Jazz Hello? Yeah,
• 1:03:15
  I know, Well I turned the lights on, but it's really dark.
• 1:03:17
  It's really weird, all right. What do you think of the rankings?
• 1:03:21
  Man? Uh, I would change I probably bumped down lower decks to
• 1:03:27
  be what, well, it's not finished yet, and you know, I
• 1:03:32
  thought this last season kind of was lacking, Okay, and I'd probably bump
• 1:03:37
  it down to be because eight tier is really high for that. I almost
• 1:03:39
  think. I don't disagree. I mean I went put Voyager up there,
• 1:03:45
  but I'd almost be close to put Voyager to eightier. So wow, I
• 1:03:50
  would almost swap those two. Do you just really love coffee? Is that
• 1:03:52
  what it is? Yeah? Again I don't. I don't disagree. Yeah,
• 1:03:58
  I mean she killed two Viggs after all, so what that's true?
• 1:04:02
  That's true? Yeah? Is better than nine? Are on the same level?
• 1:04:11
  Yeah? Yeah? And then I probably may have under Discovered Country up
• 1:04:15
  to s tire because I mean that was what would you take out on the
• 1:04:21
  same level. Undiscovered Country is a better movie than The Wrath of Khan Man.
• 1:04:27
  Oh wow. The Wrath of Con is a great movie, it really
• 1:04:32
  is, but it's not the best one out there. Rewatch uh the Undiscovered
• 1:04:39
  Country. Yeah, I've watched The Undiscovered Country many more times than I have
• 1:04:44
  The Wrath of Con. No puts Voyager in eightier? What are you talking
• 1:04:53
  about? Or card? Yeah? Double? Oh my god, I know
• 1:05:00
  I just went sexist. Wow, But it's not like when you think of
• 1:05:06
  seven of nine, you're thinking of you know, I think I was implant
• 1:05:17
  Scott got Tweeter painted when he saw I'm about to get canceled. I'm pretty
• 1:05:26
  happy with the rankings. Man. Yeah, any other on how much higher
• 1:05:30
  up would you put a star Trek into Darkness? Jazz biz, I'd probably
• 1:05:35
  put that in almost tar what into Darkness? It's just he just copy and
• 1:05:42
  pasted Wrath of con And people who like Into Darkness do they like the story
• 1:05:48
  of the characters that did like new Tricks. He took an enterprise, made
• 1:05:53
  it bigger, and painted it black. Okay, basically just took He could
• 1:05:58
  have put flames on the enterprise. He's threaten to do that at one point.
• 1:06:00
  Yeah. Yeah, and they killed Captain Pike in there too, So
• 1:06:06
  yeah, is terrible it is? You could you could if if we're voting
• 1:06:14
  on moving into Darkness down to level D, I I would agree. I
• 1:06:18
  think it's horrible. Yeah, it's Yeah. I tried watching that a couple
• 1:06:25
  of years ago and I just couldn't get into it, and it just kind
• 1:06:29
  of made me. Parts. Man, I like when I do to the
• 1:06:31
  Command of the Ship. I mean, there's some good parts. But is
• 1:06:35
  it a good movie? That's the thing. Well, we also have to
• 1:06:38
  look at it. Is it Is it as bad as on the level of
• 1:06:42
  discovery. I don't think so. I think I think it is. I
• 1:06:47
  think it's every bet is discovery. This chart is an outrage. He's about
• 1:06:55
  to flip over this digital table. Yeah, I say, beyond better than
• 1:07:02
  this. Into Darkness so oh absolute together and you know they're the dope kids
• 1:07:11
  in the back of the class. Yeah. And Star Trek nine, I
• 1:07:15
  like it. It's good. You know, it's a fun popcorn movie,
• 1:07:18
  fun action packed, but Into Darkness is just one of those I had my
• 1:07:25
  hopes up. You know. That's so high that when I saw it,
• 1:07:28
  I just was so my wife with Paula and the seven of nine was a
• 1:07:31
  great addition. M hmm, well yeah, the Voyager, Yeah, the
• 1:07:36
  cats do so how prerogative Brick w B is wanting us to talk about the
• 1:07:45
  gods? Scott huh, we're losing Scott. Yeah, I I'm looking at
• 1:07:57
  that. I don't hate this chart right now. I don't hate here.
• 1:08:00
  I'm like looking, I don't have a glass. Yeah, personally, there's
• 1:08:03
  things that might change for the show, and just an overall, like,
• 1:08:08
  here's a guide if you're getting into Star Trek Now, I think this is
• 1:08:10
  solid guide. You got It's not bad. It's not bad. I love
• 1:08:15
  it. I might move Boager up. But yeah, it almost put the
• 1:08:18
  enterprise as a seatier, maybe just because that final episode was pretty bad.
• 1:08:25
  So well, you know, Halftag Trip is still alive. So yeah,
• 1:08:30
  yeah, Trip is still alive on that. That's my story. I'm taking
• 1:08:34
  to it. Yeah. Right. It was like it was just a rust
• 1:08:38
  to the end, like they didn't get a proper ending, and it really
• 1:08:41
  made me mad. It's like this show should have a proper ending. I
• 1:08:45
  mind if Paramount brought back the show for you know, one two hour episode
• 1:08:51
  or something an hour and a half special, just to give it a proper
• 1:08:55
  ending. I actually had thought I asked about watching a show. I had
• 1:09:01
  a thought about AI and how it relates to what what the future might bring
• 1:09:08
  for for it, I real quick. I have a theory that within twenty
• 1:09:12
  years we'll be able to talk to our phones or our TVs and say,
• 1:09:18
  computer, I want to see Star Trek Deep Stace nine, Season eight,
• 1:09:24
  episode one, And I think that in about and I'm going to say fifteen
• 1:09:30
  to twenty years, AI will be good enough where we'll be able to it'll
• 1:09:34
  be able to make a passable episode full production looking episode of Whatever We Want.
• 1:09:44
  Dan hated my thoughts so much and he decided to Leieve does not agree.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah, no, I mean, I'm not saying it's a good or
• 1:09:51
  a bad thing. I'm just saying, you know, if we want to
• 1:09:54
  watch I don't think well. And the idea came to me during watching the
• 1:10:00
  Sherlock Holmes episode of Next Generation, when when Data was doing Data and Jordi
• 1:10:06
  were in the Holidack and they were, you know, doing a Sherlock Holmes
• 1:10:12
  story. But Data already knew all the Sherlock Holmes, Arthur Glen and Doyle
• 1:10:16
  stories, so they asked the computer make a new one, and the computer
• 1:10:19
  was able to make a new one. I think AI, in about fifteen
• 1:10:24
  to twenty years, I think you're gonna be able to request with parameters an
• 1:10:28
  episode of Star Trek or whatever you want to and it's gonna be able to
• 1:10:30
  create a brand new original episode of whatever you want to watch. So,
• 1:10:35
  if you're looking to watch season six of Enterprise, I think that in fifteen
• 1:10:41
  years, you're gonna be able to ask AI to produce it for you,
• 1:10:44
  and you'll be able to watch a forty two minute long episode of season six
• 1:10:49
  of Enterprise, there's talk of that being able to like that's one of the
• 1:10:54
  goals. But because the AI algorithms would also know your personal tastes, it
• 1:10:59
  would be season eight tailored to you. That'd be great. Yeah, that'd
• 1:11:04
  be great. Literally, I choose your own adventure. I could, you
• 1:11:08
  know, I mean when when when Dan and I are retired. I think
• 1:11:12
  that's the gift I'm gonna give him. I say, you know, computer,
• 1:11:15
  give me an episode of Discovery that Dan is just gonna love another the
• 1:11:21
  locks On episode? Please? Right? Right? So right? And is
• 1:11:30
  that a good thing? Do you think the number one? Do you do?
• 1:11:31
  You agree with me? Uh? And number two? Do you think
• 1:11:34
  it's a good thing? I agree with you. It's going to happen.
• 1:11:38
  I think that's you. I think it's a good thing. Yeah, I
• 1:11:41
  don't think it's a good thing, but I think it's going to happen.
• 1:11:43
  Okay, I think that's fair. Probably years years years years away from that,
• 1:11:49
  I don't know, because well, here's the thing. Okay, So
• 1:11:55
  if you do that, what is the AI using to write that? Right?
• 1:11:59
  It's looking at other Star Trek and then writing more Star Trek. And
• 1:12:04
  since it's derivative of Star Trek. Mm hmm. It is Star Trek and
• 1:12:09
  it's good, and they're gonna owe royalties to the paramount. So what is
• 1:12:14
  the fee structure going to be like? Or something like that. So if
• 1:12:17
  you have your own AI doing your own thing for you, do you owe
• 1:12:23
  royalties? Like if I go to AI and I say, you know,
• 1:12:27
  showed me a picture of you know, Superman in a Star Trek uniform,
• 1:12:30
  and it shows me a picture of Superman in a Star Trek uniform, do
• 1:12:34
  I owe DC and Paramount money? I mean they would say yes, no
• 1:12:43
  you no, no, no, I'm gonna explain to man how it would
• 1:12:47
  happen. Yeah, you as the consumer, do not. But here's what's
• 1:12:51
  going to happen. Paramount is going to sue AI Technology, She's limited or
• 1:13:00
  whatever who created the program, and they're gonna say, you created a program
• 1:13:05
  and sold it to the public for the purpose of infringing on other people's intellectual
• 1:13:10
  property, and that's illegal and because of that you owe damages. Right,
• 1:13:15
  that's gonna be a big court case years or sooner sooner, probably because it's
• 1:13:23
  for my own personal consumption, you know, uh does it? It doesn't
• 1:13:29
  matter it's the next I get it Napster case all over again. Napster sued
• 1:13:32
  for creating the creating the avenue for which other people infringed on other people's copyrighted
• 1:13:39
  material. Could I write star directing my own Star Trek that I only watch
• 1:13:44
  myself? Yes, okay, as long as you don't sell it to anyone?
• 1:13:49
  All right, Well I'm not going to sell when I say, you
• 1:13:53
  know, computer make me a Star Trek Enterprise movie called The Return of trip
• 1:14:00
  Uh, and it's only for my consumption. I'm not gonna share it with
• 1:14:02
  anybody. Yeah, how do you feel about that? Whoever wrote the AI
• 1:14:12
  and is allowing it to help you infringe on other people's ip they're going they're
• 1:14:15
  going to face court challenges. And that's what the question is about intellectual property?
• 1:14:19
  Who does that belong to? And you know, can you create content
• 1:14:25
  with that intellectual property even if you're not going to sell it? And Star
• 1:14:29
  Trek's dealt gone down that road before, you know, with Star Trek,
• 1:14:31
  Renegade and the other not for profit or supposedly not for profit things. But
• 1:14:36
  you know, am I allowed to draw a picture of seven of nine and
• 1:14:41
  just hang it up and enjoy it, of course absolutely. Can I ask
• 1:14:46
  Ai to draw me a picture of seven of nine, print it out and
• 1:14:49
  stick it on my wall right now? I can? Yeah, I allowed.
• 1:14:59
  Now they do AI animating stuff. They can make you know, we've
• 1:15:02
  got one at the end of our show. Yeah, that's right. Yeah,
• 1:15:09
  And obviously we're not trying. Okay, maybe maybe I should come about
• 1:15:14
  shut now right yeah? Yeah. Are there any lawyers in the audience,
• 1:15:24
  Probably aeramaunic executives. Yeah, yeah, all right, so we're good with
• 1:15:31
  it the way it is for now. But yeah, oh there's Ray says,
• 1:15:36
  sh would mind seven of nine on the wall? Okay? Yeah?
• 1:15:48
  Right behind Scott, God, every man is a twelve year old boy that
• 1:15:57
  that man is saying, shut your mouth, yeah, shut your mouth.
• 1:16:00
  So right now I'm listening to myself and I'm gonna shut my mouth. There
• 1:16:05
  you go. He's gonna get a big cardboard cut out of your bottom.
• 1:16:15
  Awesome. All right, well, that'd be awesome. Anything else we want
• 1:16:26
  to bring up before we wrap this up? Now, Scott, I saw
• 1:16:30
  that sound of music like you said, uh huh, and that part when
• 1:16:36
  they at the end in the theater, that's the whole theater was silent.
• 1:16:43
  Yeah, I mean everything is like Dan, It's one of those things.
• 1:16:49
  You had to be there because it was just like I think it's Yeah,
• 1:16:54
  it was a shock thing. It was very craepy because I wasn't expecting it,
• 1:16:58
  yeah, to be like that. I thought, there's have like a
• 1:17:00
  little flag. I didn't think they're gonna have this huge No, they had.
• 1:17:02
  They had banners the Calma Civic They've got it's an old, old theater,
• 1:17:08
  beautiful civil theater in downtown Kalma Zoo. I've seen a lot of performances
• 1:17:12
  there, uh not all of them get standing ovations, and this one got
• 1:17:15
  a standing ovation right now. And it was it was a great performance and
• 1:17:20
  you know, the actors did a great job. But yeah, overall it
• 1:17:24
  was a fantastics experience. So yeah, I thought this summer, I was
• 1:17:29
  like, holy crap. That was shocking and a really good play. And
• 1:17:31
  then and now was it put on by a like a civic theater or the
• 1:17:39
  Oklahoma City Cool And it was crazy because they you know, it was all
• 1:17:45
  teared up and they had like a banner that dropped all the way down that
• 1:17:48
  Okay, that was huge. It was like, holy crap. I wasn't
• 1:17:53
  expecting it. I thought they didn't have a flags here and there, and
• 1:17:57
  I didn't think they're gonna have Yeah, and the whole theater was just like
• 1:18:01
  very silent, creepy. So okay, but it's it was good. Good.
• 1:18:11
  You got to see it, Dan, I've seen it. Yeah,
• 1:18:14
  I've seen it. That ship. He was a musical guy. I used
• 1:18:25
  to not be a musical guy either. I didn't really like them. But
• 1:18:29
  there's so much fun. They are so much fun. They're even better jazz
• 1:18:34
  z if you're loaded on and tonic, you know, everything great. Yeah,
• 1:18:42
  yeah, I was like, yeah, because our theater, you can
• 1:18:45
  pre bud your alcohol for halftime, you know, during intermission. So I'm
• 1:18:49
  half to Wow, I'd be like I want and I'll have to stand in
• 1:18:54
  line at halftime and then I got my drink right here and I'm ready to
• 1:18:57
  go. Let's go. So that's funny alcohol that can help? All right?
• 1:19:09
  Oh boy, three and a half hours okay, yeah, all right,
• 1:19:18
  So are we going to post this list? And yeah, yeah,
• 1:19:20
  we'll post it. Well, I'll post it a few days, let people
• 1:19:24
  listen to the show first, and then a fewtter i'll post the list and
• 1:19:27
  then you're gonna get hate now bring on. Probably that's from the Discovery fans,
• 1:19:31
  that's right fans, and yeah, Nemesis, Yeah, all right,
• 1:19:40
  bring on. And this has been fun. I really enjoyed this. Yeah,
• 1:19:45
  it was a lot of fun. Doing These kind of lists are always
• 1:19:47
  you know, there are a lot of fun to put together. There's always
• 1:19:49
  a lot of controversy, there's always a lot of you know, fake hate
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  and uh you know, yeah, no, that's right, all right.
• 1:20:01
  I want to ask you guys, which, maybe have you guys seen the
• 1:20:04
  most which movie hands down? First? Context well up in the air between
• 1:20:12
  First Contact and the other Undiscovered Country, because I used to watch yes,
• 1:20:17
  well see that Discovered Country was on HBO on repeat forever, so I watched
• 1:20:23
  that one the most. And then Star Trek five because that was the one
• 1:20:28
  before it on HBO, So I watched five probably more times than any of
• 1:20:32
  them combined. So to remember, back in the day, a movie would
• 1:20:38
  come out on VHS for rent, you couldn't you couldn't usually bite in the
• 1:20:43
  store, right. It would be available for rental for a little while first,
• 1:20:48
  or it would be available for purchase, but it would it would be
• 1:20:51
  expensive. And then the price would drop once it had been rented for a
• 1:20:55
  while. So in nineteen ninety six, when First Contact first came out on
• 1:21:00
  home video, I rented it. And at the time I was working Lost
• 1:21:06
  Prevention in a clothing store, so we had industrial VCRs in there. One
• 1:21:13
  of the things, yeah, for Lost previntionis could do shut up. One
• 1:21:27
  of the things that we could do that you couldn't do at home is we
• 1:21:30
  could make nearly perfect copies of VHS tapes. So I made one one single
• 1:21:38
  copy of First Contact, not so I could sell it, but so I
• 1:21:42
  could watch it over and over and over and over again. And I did.
• 1:21:45
  I wore that thing out, So that is that is the only reason
• 1:21:49
  that that is my most watched three copies of of of that movie of Star
• 1:21:57
  Trek, First Contact. I probably have it on BHS, I've got it
• 1:22:00
  DVD, and I got it on Blue Ray. Okay, yeah, my
• 1:22:01
  most watch is two thousand and nine. But that's because it is my go
• 1:22:05
  to movie when I'm sick. So like if I'm like high on cold medicine
• 1:22:10
  and just zoning out, I throw that on because I don't really have to
• 1:22:14
  pay attention. I know the movie well enough and bright colors and explosions and
• 1:22:17
  all that. So yeah, got it. So watch watch that one if
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  you're high, that's right. Yeah, okay, yeah countries. That's my
• 1:22:28
  go to you. So there you go. That's all time favorite. So
• 1:22:31
  yeah it's a good one. Yeah all right, yep, that's it.
• 1:22:38
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• 1:22:45
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