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Sarah’s Day’s Blackcurrant Crush or Crash? · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
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  Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
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  Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Amy Torber and coming up
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  Speaker 2: on today's show, Sarah's Day's controversial campaign launch, Sky Wheatley
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  Speaker 2: defends her son's bedroom makeover, the boyfriends of Instagram's business
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  Speaker 2: battle and our Friday debrief. But first, Kate, Molly May
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  Speaker 2: has revealed she recently turned to ChatGPT for advice and
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  Speaker 2: After a two-year-old daughter Bambi bit a child at daycare. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so in her recent vlog, Molly was pretty apprehensive to
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  Speaker 2: talk about the incident because she's been copping a lot
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  Speaker 2: of backlash about sharing her takes on parenting. And she
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  Speaker 2: also thought it was a little bit controversial to use
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  Speaker 2: AI to help parent her child. But she joked that
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  Speaker 2: she's getting used to it now, seeing as though controversial
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  Speaker 2: was currently her middle name.
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  Speaker 1: After being a mum for four months.
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  Speaker 2: I have no judgment when it comes to someone using
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  Speaker 2: ChatGPT for advice about their child.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's like our third parent currently at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: So Molly shared how she got a call from daycare
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  Speaker 2: telling her she had to come and collect Bambi early
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  Speaker 2: because she had bitten a child. And according to Molly,
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  Speaker 2: the news didn't upset her because there is a biting
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  Speaker 2: pandemic going on at the daycare centre. And she said
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  Speaker 2: it was only going to be a matter of times
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  Speaker 2: before Bambi reciprocated. The funniest thing about this story is
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  Speaker 2: what Molly actually asked ChatGPT's advice on. So she wanted
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  Speaker 2: to know how she should discipline Bambi, specifically if she
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  Speaker 2: should take her out for ice cream afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's usually a.
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  Speaker 2: Part of their Friday afternoon tradition after daycare. Molly conceded
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  Speaker 2: that the advice Chachi PT gave her was really, really incredible.
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  Speaker 1: This is what she said.
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  Speaker 3: Got some really, really incredible advice. At two and a half,
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  Speaker 3: consequences need to be immediate and directly linked to their behavior.
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  Speaker 3: If the biting happened in the morning and the ice
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  Speaker 3: cream date is hours later, she is unlikely to connect
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  Speaker 3: the two in her mind. If you cancel the treat
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  Speaker 3: and say it's because of the biting, she may not
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  Speaker 3: fully understand and it could just feel random or like
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  Speaker 3: you're being mean for no reason. Instead of withholding a
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  Speaker 3: separate nice thing, it's more effective to address the behaviour
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  Speaker 3: in the moment at nursery or as soon after as possible.
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  Speaker 2: You know how everyone says when you grow up, you
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  Speaker 2: realise that your parents didn't know how to do anything?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine Bambi watching this back and realising that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the parenting advice came from AI?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's pretty funny.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, hats off to our parents who didn't have
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  Speaker 2: AI or Google and had to work out what to
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  Speaker 2: do on their own accord. I have to admit, Chat
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  Speaker 2: GPT has a chokehold on me, not just for parenting,
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  Speaker 2: but for everything in question. And I know people are
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  Speaker 2: going to lecture me on the environmental impact of using it,
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  Speaker 2: but I ask it questions on the daily. The only
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  Speaker 2: thing that irritates me about your love for chat GPT
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  Speaker 2: is that you used to call it chat GTP.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I know.
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  Speaker 2: I still get that in my head sometimes. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to blame my husband, Rhys. He's the one that used
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  Speaker 2: to say it like that. I have been using ChatGPT
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  Speaker 2: recently to create bedtime stories for Harry. Oh, they're so funny.
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  Speaker 2: They're so good. I felt really guilty though. I saw
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  Speaker 2: this morning the ABC had an article up about all
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  Speaker 2: these authors who have said ChatGPT.
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  Speaker 1: Has been stealing their work. Oh yeah, it rips it
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  Speaker 1: from other people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually incredible because I read out this story
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  Speaker 2: yesterday at family dinner and my dad's like, did you
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  Speaker 2: come up with that yourself? I'm like, no, it's ChatGPT. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you really personalised it. Like there were some in-jokes in
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  Speaker 2: the story. I have been using ChatGPT to redesign my
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  Speaker 2: living room. We're not actually planning to do anything at
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  Speaker 2: the moment, but I wanted to see what it could do.
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  Speaker 2: And it's actually been really shit.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the design doesn't work. It's not even in the
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  Speaker 1: same layout.
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  Speaker 2: It's not stealing the right work from the right person. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so I think interior designers and architects are safe for now.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I got it to do the
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  Speaker 2: other night was, and please, if anyone knows my husband, Dale,
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  Speaker 2: don't tell them I'm getting him this for Father's Day,
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  Speaker 2: but he loves Pokemon. And I've seen on TikTok, you
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  Speaker 2: can buy personalized Pokemon cards.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're cool. But they're so expensive. So anyway, I'm
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  Speaker 1: making my own. I'll have to share it online.
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  Speaker 2: And I got ChatGPT to turn a photo of Dale
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  Speaker 2: and Harry into anime.
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  Speaker 1: And it looks so good.
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  Speaker 2: Now back to the world of Molly Mae. Now, do
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  Speaker 2: we call him boyfriend, fiance, baby daddy? They used to
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  Speaker 2: be fiance. Let's just call him Tommy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Tommy Fury has opened up further about his drinking problem
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  Speaker 2: on his three-part BBC docuseries, Tommy, The Good, The Bad,
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  Speaker 2: The Fury. So he revealed he actually doesn't remember what
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  Speaker 2: it felt like when Molly walked out on him with
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  Speaker 2: their daughter. Because he was drunk at the time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I saw that grab and I was like, that's really sad. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so in the first episode of the series, he said,
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  Speaker 2: I woke up, I was like, shit, and I was
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  Speaker 2: listening to probably the silence of the house for like
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  Speaker 2: an hour.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, fuck.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the last time they've been here. Do
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  Speaker 2: you notice how matter of fact he always talks? I
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  Speaker 2: was drunk, right, Molly? Molly walked out on me and
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember a thing. He talks exactly like his dad. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've always had a soft spot for Tommy because I
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  Speaker 2: loved his series of Love Island and I was a
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  Speaker 2: big fan of him and Molly on it. Not a
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  Speaker 2: fan of the way he's treated her, but again, there's
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  Speaker 2: a part of me that likes seeing them back together.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone loves that redemption arc, don't they? And this is
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  Speaker 2: what this documentary seems it's all about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're clearly trying to make him look like a
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  Speaker 2: good guy because he went on to say that no
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  Speaker 2: matter how drunk he was, Bambi's routine always stayed the
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  Speaker 2: same and he'd get up and feed her her breakfast
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  Speaker 2: and bottle.
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  Speaker 1: What, just hung over his phone?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He also denied the cheating allegations that spread like
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  Speaker 2: wildfire at the time of their breakup, which was this
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  Speaker 2: time last year.
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  Speaker 1: Can you believe it? Are you serious? Yeah. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it feels like longer or shorter.
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  Speaker 2: I think it feels almost longer, but for me personally,
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  Speaker 2: so much has happened since then. Yeah, but so much
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  Speaker 2: has gone on in the world of Molly Mae. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we've seen two different series on her show. Well, actually
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  Speaker 2: it was one, it was a two-parter. We've seen Tommy
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  Speaker 2: film a documentary as well. Yeah, and currently Molly's filming
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  Speaker 2: the second series of her Doc O' She was going on, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's so much more fun filming it because it's so
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  Speaker 2: much lighter and we're, you know, filming at maybe and
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  Speaker 2: about business.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking no one wants that. Just film at
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  Speaker 1: home with Tommy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel the team at Amazon probably didn't like
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  Speaker 2: that promotion of the show. Or do you think that
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  Speaker 2: she is filming with Tommy and that's why we haven't
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  Speaker 2: really seen a lot of him in her YouTube channel
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  Speaker 2: because they're saving it for the doco?
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  Speaker 4: Possibly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, once they're loved up, no one really cares
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  Speaker 2: that much about it though. Yeah, but surely there's still
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  Speaker 2: some cracks in that relationship. Like it's not all smooth sailing.
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  Speaker 2: They're still living in different houses. Controversial Queensland businessman Ollie Frost,
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  Speaker 2: who is best known for being the husband of influencer
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  Speaker 2: Nicky Westcott, has called out his former friend's business. The
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  Speaker 2: friend in question is none other than a fellow boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: of Instagram, Jerome Ahern.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Jerome used.
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  Speaker 2: To date Lily Brown back in the day, and it's
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  Speaker 2: rumored that he is the reason behind her relationship breakdown
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  Speaker 2: with Nikki Westcott and Lucy Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: Reading between the lines, it seems like the.
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  Speaker 2: Wild Ones sided with Jerome during the breakup because they're
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  Speaker 2: still friends with him. Well, probably not anymore. Now, Ollie
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  Speaker 2: Frost took to his Instagram to share a warning to
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  Speaker 2: his followers. He wrote, I'd strongly advise anyone considering Winner's
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  Speaker 2: Locker to do their homework. There are serious concerns about
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  Speaker 2: how the business is run, questions over whether prizes are
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  Speaker 2: actually delivered, and a track record that doesn't inspire trust.
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  Speaker 2: Before signing up or continuing your membership, research through and
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  Speaker 2: make your own call. Just a friendly heads up. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this business, Winner's Locker, it is essentially a subscription-based giveaway platform.
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  Speaker 1: Very similar vibes to Adrian Portelli's giveaways.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they tout themselves as giving away massive rewards
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  Speaker 2: to everyday Aussies. And Jerome is the original founder of
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  Speaker 2: the business. He now works as the head of growth.
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  Speaker 2: And on the website, it says he leads all of
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  Speaker 2: the marketing and PR. Funnily enough, according to his bio,
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  Speaker 2: which I'm assuming he wrote himself, he says he has
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  Speaker 2: a rich background working for some of Australia's most exciting startups.
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  Speaker 2: And it goes on to say, a talented individual behind
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  Speaker 2: the desk and on the field, Jerome blends exciting sports
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  Speaker 2: promotion and incredible experiences to everyone in the winner's locker community.
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  Speaker 2: Passionate about golf, tennis and NRL, a sports enthusiast with
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  Speaker 2: a love for the green, the court turned the field.
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  Speaker 2: I love that you say that he wrote that. Let's
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  Speaker 2: be honest, it was probably ChatGPT. I know, ChatGPT for
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  Speaker 2: the win again. Now, according to Winners Lockers socials, they
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  Speaker 2: give cars and cash away every two weeks. Matt Paul,
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  Speaker 2: Mitch Orville and Chloe Zepp all follow the Instagram account. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Ollie's call-out came as a real surprise to a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people because he and Jerome have been friends for years.
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  Speaker 2: Ollie even shared a post to his Instagram feedback in
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  Speaker 2: 2020 wishing Jerome a happy birthday. That's a big deal
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  Speaker 2: for a man to do, a birthday post for a friend.
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  Speaker 2: They must have been very close. Obviously, something major has
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  Speaker 2: happened between the pair for Ollie to publicly call him out. Now,
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  Speaker 2: it's important to note that not long after he posted
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  Speaker 2: the story, he deleted it. Not before Influencer Updates AU
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  Speaker 2: had a chance to post it.
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  Speaker 1: Doing God's work there, Amber.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's important that we clarify that we
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  Speaker 2: are in no way suggesting that any of Ollie's claims
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  Speaker 2: about Winner's Locker are true, nor Jerome or the company
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  Speaker 2: have actually spoken on the matter yet. What I want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about, though, is how hypocritical this was from
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  Speaker 2: Ollie Frost. I was pretty blown away with it because
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  Speaker 2: usually Ollie is the one getting called out. So this
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: is where we need to introduce another boyfriend of Instagram,
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  Speaker 2: Matt Paul. So back in 2020, when Matt was engaged
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  Speaker 2: to Tammy Hembrough, he went into business with Ollie. We
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  Speaker 2: actually have covered this in depth on the podcast before,
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  Speaker 2: but Matt invested in Ollie's Gold Coast restaurant called Maman.
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  Speaker 1: But less than three years later, the business went into liquidation.
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  Speaker 2: And at the time, Matt told the Gold Coast Bulletin
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  Speaker 2: that Ollie had squeezed him out of the business and
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  Speaker 2: owed him money.
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  Speaker 1: Despite Maman and several.
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  Speaker 2: Other of Ollie's restaurants going into liquidation in 2023, they
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  Speaker 2: continued operating under a new entity that he set up.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that entity went.
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  Speaker 2: Into administration in June this year, and Ollie and his
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  Speaker 2: business partner are currently challenging it in court. It's been
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  Speaker 2: reported that Ollie's four restaurants entered administration because of a $ 1.
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  Speaker 1: 45 million debt.
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  Speaker 2: So it's pretty wild to me that Ollie Frost feels
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  Speaker 2: like he's in a position to call out another businessman.
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  Speaker 1: I was pretty surprised when I saw it too.
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  Speaker 2: And it's kind of ballsy of him because I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: Jerome knows a lot of his secrets. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they've been friends for years.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. you think, oh, I probably don't want someone else
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  Speaker 2: digging up stuff on me. I mean, he's had Matt
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  Speaker 2: Paul calling him out in the media saying this whole
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  Speaker 2: thing couldn't happen to a more deserving bloke. And also
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  Speaker 2: for the sake of your influencer wife, Nikki Westcott, why
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  Speaker 2: are you weighing into these things and getting more attention? Well,
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: playing devil's advocate, could he genuinely be really concerned about
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  Speaker 2: these giveaways?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a very earnest approach.
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  Speaker 2: I think clearly something big has happened between the pair
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  Speaker 2: and he's trying to level things out. Revenge kind of thing.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, guys, like, I do not let shit like this
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  Speaker 4: get to me.
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  Speaker 1: I never do.
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  Speaker 2: Sky Wheatley has been left reeling after she unveiled the
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  Speaker 2: makeover of her eldest son's bedroom. The influencer proudly shared
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  Speaker 2: a room reveal on her TikTok but was inundated with
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  Speaker 2: negative feedback. Now, Kate, what was the problem with this room? Well,
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  Speaker 2: the people of TikTok have spoken and they've deemed that
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  Speaker 2: the room was far too grown up for Sky's six-year-old son, Forrest.
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  Speaker 2: So the design was nothing crazy. The room's got dark
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  Speaker 2: timber floors, white walls, and those sheer curtains that are
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  Speaker 2: very in fashion at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: This sounds nice.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd quite like that set up for my
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  Speaker 2: own room. And I suppose that's where the issue lies.
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  Speaker 2: It also had a black steel set of bunk beds
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  Speaker 2: and they were positioned up against the window with.
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  Speaker 1: A light blue bedspread. There was also a chest.
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  Speaker 2: Of drawers that had a framed Minecraft poster on it
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  Speaker 2: alongside a cream colored bean bag.
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  Speaker 1: And I have to admit, there.
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  Speaker 2: Were a few other mature looking additions to the room,
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  Speaker 2: including a candle on the dresser and this swirly standing
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  Speaker 2: mirror and also a floor lamp that looked like it
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  Speaker 2: probably belonged in a living room. Awkwardly, it seems like
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: the room redo was sponsored by a furniture company. And
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: I think that's why Sky Wheatley has hit back at it. Well,
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: it seems like the inclusion of the decorative candle in
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  Speaker 2: six-year-old Forrest's room is what pushed one person over the
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  Speaker 2: edge on TikTok. They wrote, Another person added, Someone else sniped,
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  Speaker 2: the bunk bed looks like a prison bunk.
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  Speaker 1: While another said, when.
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: Parents try so hard to have an Instagram house instead
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  Speaker 2: of allowing kids spaces to be about kids. Now on Monday,
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  Speaker 2: Sky hit back at the trolls. She said the room
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  Speaker 2: wasn't complete and that people were so judgmental. She wrote,
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  Speaker 2: people in the comments need to realize my son is
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  Speaker 2: seven this year. He's not a fucking baby anymore. Now
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  Speaker 2: it got to the point where she actually broke down
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  Speaker 2: and said she was trying not to get emotional over it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's throw to some of what she said.
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  Speaker 4: I've had people say the most horrible shit to me.
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  Speaker 4: You fucked your face. This, that, such a natural beauty.
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  Speaker 4: What has she done? This, that, fucking, or anything about
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  Speaker 4: my bedroom, whatever. Sheets don't go. Hate your pictures. Do this,
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  Speaker 4: do that. Sick. When it comes to my kids, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not going to get emotional. I'm not going to get emotional. Like,
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to my kids and how much I
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  Speaker 4: do for them as a mother and how much effort
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  Speaker 4: I put into doing that room when it's not even
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  Speaker 4: finished and people are just so nasty. Say whatever the
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  Speaker 4: fuck you want about me in my room. Do not.
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  Speaker 4: Don't say shit about my children. Don't comment on my
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  Speaker 4: mothering skills. Like, I feel like as a mother, you know...
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  Speaker 4: not to judge other mums. Like, how is this not
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  Speaker 4: a known fucking fact? Like, am I judging a mother
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  Speaker 4: for anything she does?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know how hard it is to be a parent?
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  Speaker 2: She wanted to say that she thinks that most of
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  Speaker 2: the people making comments weren't actually parents themselves. And she
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  Speaker 2: then defended her decision not to have their rooms filled
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  Speaker 2: with toys. She said she prefers to spend her money
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  Speaker 2: taking her kids overseas to show how other children live.
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  Speaker 2: that they understand how privileged they are. She doesn't want
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  Speaker 2: to raise entitled, ungrateful children who have no appreciation for anything.
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  Speaker 2: She also said they're better off outside or on their motorbikes.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she makes a good point.
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  Speaker 2: She said that there was this period of time where
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: her kids just trashed everything she bought them and they
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  Speaker 2: weren't really respecting it. And I mean, it's unusual for
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: commenters on TikTok to say that the kids aren't spoiled enough,
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  Speaker 2: like that they need more things.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's this real movement.
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  Speaker 2: On TikTok though, where people are calling out parents for
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: being beige parents. And I know when Sophie was setting
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: up her nursery, we were giving her a bit of
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  Speaker 2: shit because everything she chose for Luca was beige. And
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: we're like, have a bit of color. Yeah, but I
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  Speaker 2: think a nursery is different. You don't know what your
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: kid likes. They don't really have a personality. But when
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  Speaker 2: you're at the age of six, like they obviously have
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  Speaker 2: things that they might want to display in their room
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  Speaker 2: or that they like to play with. It's usually guided
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  Speaker 2: by them, what their room looks like. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: feel mean saying this to Sky because I know she
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  Speaker 2: tried her best. But from an outside perspective, the room
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  Speaker 2: did look a bit sad. Like, she'd obviously tried to
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: put a little bit of personality with the Minecraft posters, but.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: It just needed a bit of colour or something. Yeah,
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: I get that.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: And, I mean, when I saw the room, I kind
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: of understood the commentary. But do we really care? Do
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: we really have to comment on everything about how parents
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: do things? Like, couldn't you just say, oh, that looks
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: very nice?
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, not for me. Wait, have you been on
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: TikTok before? Well, yeah, I know.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: But I just really felt for Sky because I'm someone–
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: that interior design doesn't come natural to me. And when
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: I was designing my son's nursery, I say designing, like,
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: you know, it was just a normal room set up,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: but I spent so long on Pinterest, so long on
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: TikTok trying to get inspiration. And, you know, it just
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: looks like a regular room. It's not a Pinterest room,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: but even just deciding on these different details and what
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: to buy and where to put it, it just took
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: me so long.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: But do you think a lot of.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: It has to do with, we see these children's room
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: on YouTube as big reveals, like these huge influencers. I
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: saw one where someone had put a rock climbing wall
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: in a children's room. I think Sarah's Day has one
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, like were people expecting more from Skye? Yeah,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: maybe they were expecting too much. Like this is quite
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: a normal room for a child to have. Like it
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: was beautiful but it was just it didn't have much
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: personality which maybe that's what Forrest wanted. I think the
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: other thing is that Forrest kind of didn't really give
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: much in the video. He wasn't like, wow, because that's
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: what kind of kid he is. Like the kids are different. Well,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I mean he's not a performing monkey. He's just going
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: to react like a kid does and– I mean, he
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't really understand that his mom's probably got a brand
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: deal with the furniture company and they need a little
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: bit more. He doesn't understand that there's trolls on TikTok
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: that are going to obsess over his reaction.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: I mean. Sky's emotional state over this feedback from the
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: room makes sense because it feels like these renovations have
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: been going on forever.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm not even living in them, but I feel
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: like I'm like, how is this still going? Oh, it'd
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: be awful. So it's actually been five years.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Sky and her boyfriend, Lockie Wall, bought the home back
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: in 2020 for $ 975, 000. Doesn't that make you want to cry?
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because this is a mega mansion now. They
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: always refer to it as an abandoned mansion or a
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: haunted house. And their dream was to transform it into
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: a luxurious property. And Sky has documented the Renos on
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: and off on her social media over the five years. Unfortunately, though,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: the renovations have been a complete nightmare filled with so
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: many setbacks. So the timeline originally got pushed back when
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Sky unexpectedly fell pregnant with her second son, Bear. And
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: for the last couple of years, they've been living in
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: their garage that was converted. They've had massive budget blowouts.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: They've spent way over budget. And recently, the couple experienced
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: extreme financial strain when Lockie's shop fitting business went into administration.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: So Sky had to take on more influencing work to
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: help fund the rebuild.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And understandably, Sky has been really upset.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Last month, she showed herself breaking down in tears after
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Lockie built a staircase that she deemed too oversized. And
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: she revealed she's been relying on her ADHD medication to
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: deal with the mental toll of the renovations.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: It would all be extremely overwhelming.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: And I think the saddest thing to come back from
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: all this negative feedback on TikTok was that Sky ended up.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Trying to justify.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: forest room, and she even is at the point where
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: she's changing things to.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Suit what people said. Isn't that crazy? Because it's like, well,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: if he likes it, that's what's most important.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: You're not boring, so why is your water?
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Sarah's Day's campaign launch for Australian electrolyte brand Hyro has
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: divided audiences. The fitness influencer unveiled the secret drink flavour
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: she has created alongside a controversial viral video that which
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: featured a kidnapping. Now, first things first, as we discussed
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, the flavor is blackcurrant, blackcurrant
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: crush to be precise. Now, despite Sarah teasing the secret
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: flavor to her millions of followers for months, the flavor
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: was actually leaked after a website mishap. So it turns
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: out the flavor was listed on the website months before
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the launch.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: So in terms of the campaign, it was a big
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: one for Sarah because not only was it coming off
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the back of her being dumped as an ambassador for
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: perfume brand Who Is Elijah, but she has personally invested
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: in the hydration company and also created the campaign alongside her.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Husband, Kurt Till's.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: And ahead of the launch, Hyro's co-founder Steve Chapman shared
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: his apprehension on LinkedIn. He wrote, We're sitting on over
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: $ 1 million worth of stock right now, and honestly, I'm
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: scared shitless about our launch in five days. Doesn't matter
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: how many products you've launched or how many businesses you've built.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Right before you put something big into the market, that
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: fear is still there. This is our biggest marketing spend ever.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: We're working with Australia's top YouTuber. The creative is humorous
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: and a bit controversial. It could be a massive hit
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: or a miss. And we've already manufactured more inventory than
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: we've ever held before. If this doesn't work, we're in trouble.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: What an honest statement to put up on LinkedIn. And
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: it's a pretty big statement to make. I found it
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: interesting that he was actually quite transparent with how much
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: stock that he's bought because usually there's a bit of
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: skepticism around when an influencer brand says that they've sold
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: out of a product. A lot of people question whether
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: it was a small drop so that they can have
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: this tag of being sold out. Obviously, in this case,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: they're putting a lot of money behind it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I want to get into the video.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: So for those who haven't seen it, it opens with
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Sarah throwing water in a cyclist's face and she declares,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: no one likes cyclists. A bit of a strange move
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: when you consider that cyclists probably need hydration and could
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: be a target market there. Yeah, so then in the
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: video she walks into an office and she throws papers
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: around while she forcefully tells the viewer watching, dehydrated is
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: their fault. I think we should throw to some of
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the audio just to demonstrate Sarah's tone throughout it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: But no, it couldn't be you because you've got your
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: giant comfort water bottle with you wherever.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: You go, right?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Wrong.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: It is you and you need electrolyte.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I think the most bizarre scene for me was when
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: she barged into the bathroom when her husband was taking
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: a leak in the toilet and they shot her lying
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: on the ground looking up at him and she calls
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: him little guy and you can see the urine going
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: into the bowl. I was like, oh my God, they
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: really went there with the script, didn't they? Yeah, I
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: mean the whole ad just screamed Sarah and Kurt humour.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: It kind of almost came across a bit like a
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: high school drama performance. Yeah, I was going to say
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: it was quite teenage humor humor. I mean, they spoke
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: a lot about how they stayed up late one night
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: and wrote the script for this. And then they took
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: it to the high row founders and were kind of
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: sitting there watching them to see if they agreed that
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: it was funny. It's kind of one of those awkward
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: things where someone says, we think this is really funny.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Do you?
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I wonder how honest the co-founders were with them. I mean,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: we're going to get into more of the controversy.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: There was a rather controversial scene, but the rest of
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: the actual ad, there were elements that were clever and
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: that were quite funny. I mean, it depends on your
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: sense of humor, I suppose. I like the walkthrough nature
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: of it, but there was almost too much going on
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: to take in.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Well, you've got to remember the ad went for two minutes.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I have found myself watching it.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: A number of times and still finding something new that
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I've missed. So from that perspective, I think it was
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: quite clever because it really gripped your attention. And from
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: a videography perspective, I'm a videographer, so I enjoyed the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: high production value of it. I would hate to think
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: how much Kurt's business, House of Groms, actually charged for this. Well,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing it was a part of the overall deal
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: because they are investors in the company. They will get
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: payback if this sells very well. I mean, another compliment
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: from me is that the branding was really good in
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: terms of they used the Hyro branding color throughout.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: It really popped.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, watching that, I want one of those Hyro
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: drink bottles now. Look, Amy, this is where we're going
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: to clash because firstly, I found the way Sarah presented
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: herself in this video very strange. She's been brought on
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: as this YouTuber, this personality that a lot of people like,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and they're hoping a lot of Sarah's fans.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Buy the product.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: But throughout the video, she came across as very unlikable.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: She came across as condescending. She acted like her audience
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: were stupid if they didn't buy the product. And I
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: get it was meant to be a joke, but I
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: don't think it landed. Secondly, the cameo that the other
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: investors in the company made. So Alongside Sarah, NRL star
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Daley Cherry Evans and also rugby player Quade Cooper have
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: invested in Hiro and they make this cameo tied up
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: in the back of a van and their captor then
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: forces them to endorse the brand before driving off.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: Oi, stay in the line. I feel so hydrated. You too.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I love Hiro. Now, this joke has not landed well
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: in the US market, which is a market that Hyro
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: is trying to get into at the moment. They've been
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: very upfront that they're trying to tap into the US market.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: They want this to be a $ 100 million brand. And
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: they received comments from potential US customers saying, are all
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: ads in Australia this bad? Clearly, your sense of humor
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: is different. Hopefully, you hire professionals to break into the
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: US market. People being kidnapped in panel vans, really nothing
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: humorous about that.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: A little tone deaf.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Another person wrote, extremely tone deaf for all your US customers.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: This commenter then went on to say, considering the daily
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: illegal abductions, holding and deportations happening in the US, it
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: is overall really disappointing to see brands capitalizing on the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: imagery right now. It was just unnecessary in my opinion
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: as a would have been customer. Yeah, well, that part
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: of the two minute ad made me feel really uncomfortable.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, it didn't need to be in there. I
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: thought at the time, this is a bit bizarre because one,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: It's weird that you're saying you have to force people
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: to say how good the product is. Particularly when people
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: know they're investors in the company anyway. The joke didn't
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: even make sense. No, it didn't make sense. And when
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: you bring in all that is happening in the US
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: right now, it just comes across as really tone deaf.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And even the person who said, can't you get someone
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: actually professional to make that? That's the thing with Sarah
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: and Kurt's ads. They come across as really clever for
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: a social media ad. But if you were to air
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: that on television- He just wouldn't. See, I don't think
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: they necessarily come across as clever for a social media ad.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: So many of their campaigns have caused controversy. You only
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: need to think back to their campaign in 2020 with
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: White Fox Boutique where Sarah was accused of cultural appropriation.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: They then did a follow-up campaign that was basically a
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: fuck you to the people that called them out. When
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I say clever, I more so mean you don't normally
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: see such high production value ads from people on social media.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I think what you're confusing clever with is effort. They
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: put a lot of effort into the production quality. But
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I think often the marketing messaging is missing and it's
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: not as professional as it needs to be. And I
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: think they get into a room with people that are
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: just yes people.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, I was going to say that, yeah. And no
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: one holds them to account.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Another thing that didn't sit well with me is the
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: shade that they threw at other hydration companies.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Let's throw to the job that Sarah made.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Hyro is a scientifically formulated electrolyte blend with no added
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: sugars and all natural ingredients.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Not like those other hydration brands.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: On the market. Now, it seems like this comment really
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: annoyed one of Hyro's competitors. That company is called Hydro Mama.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: They're a little bit different.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Their hydration products are targeted more at mums, as their
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: name suggests. They are for pregnant women and also postpartum women,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: but they can be for all members of the family.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: And straight after Hyro's campaign went live, they sent out
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: an email to customers reminding them who was the original
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: creator of a blackcurrant hydration drink. So the email was entitled,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: The OG Flavor Still Unmatched. And in the email, they
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: compared Hydro Mama to, quote, other brands and said other
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: brands were overpowering or hard to stomach and often miss
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: key nutrients. Now, Hydro Mama is actually owned by influencer
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Kira Rumble. She's no stranger to other brands taking inspiration
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: from her. In 2022, a beauty business co-founded by Chris
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Hemsworth's wife, Elsa Bataki, launched products featuring near identical packaging,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: imagery and website design to Kira's skincare business, Habitual Beauty. Now,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: in addition to the email, Kira Rumble shared a video
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: of her pouring Hydra Mama's blackcurrant drink into a glass
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: and added the caption, our OG all day, every day.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I found this such a clever and classy response from Kira. Now,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Hyro's pricing has also caused discussions. So when you compare
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: it to a brand like Hyro Mama, it's very expensive,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: nearly double the price. So if you want to buy
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: 15 sachets of Hyro, it costs $ 39.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: 95.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: So that's around $ 2. 66 per sachet. So that's $ 2. 66 per
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: drink that you have. When you compare that to the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: price of Hyro Mama, you can buy a pack of
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: 30 for $ 39.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: 99, which is $ 1. 33 per sachet. So a big difference there.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Still cheaper than a can of Coke.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, true. If you look at it like that. Well,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're comparing apples and oranges at that point.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Or black currants.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Well, it's important to point out there were people who
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: actually enjoyed this ad as well. Oh, there were so
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: many comments saying that this is the best ad that
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: they've ever seen and they've been watching it over and
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: over again. So it definitely worked with Sarah's audience. The
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: proof is in the pudding though. And at the time of.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Recording, the flavor is yet to sell out.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Straight after the ad went live though, the co-founder Steve
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Chapman claimed that they were selling quickly and getting a.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Lot of orders. Here's what he said.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: It's been absolutely mental this morning with the launch of
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: our Black Currant Crush. Shopify has been going crazy. This
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: flavor is about to sell out. Sarah's just dropped it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: The video is insane if you haven't checked it out.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: But head over to the website and pick yourself up
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: a Black Currant. The more you buy, the more you save.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: But subscription is always the best. 25% off, free shipping
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: and gifts on the way. So getting quick.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: The campaign ended up capturing the attention of mainstream media.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: So Sarah teased on the day of the launch that
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: she was doing an article on the Hiro launch. It
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: turns out the piece was with the Daily Telegraph. However,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: they ended up flipping the story on Sarah and making
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: it about influencers sharing their kids online with a small
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: plug at the end for Hiro. know if high row
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: have a pr fan working for them but i don't
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: understand how they couldn't have got sarah on either sunrise
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: or the today show like this is actually a story
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: that'd be perfect for a morning tv show bringing in
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the drink you could have got the host to try
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it the fact that there were cameos from some nrl
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: players as well yeah there's a lot going on there
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: i mean look at keep it cleaner they're constantly on
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the morning yeah it's like they obviously have a line
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: straight into the producer.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: It's not that hard to get on guys.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. Look, don't say that Amy, because you want
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: to pee on me. No, but you have to know
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: the right people to ask.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right. Let's get into our Friday debrief.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: And it seems like hydration is on my mind off
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the back of the Sarah's Day topic, but this is
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: completely unrelated. So I've been trying not to drink Coke
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Zero every night. There was a time where I was
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: only having it for a treat if I went out
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to a restaurant. But since giving birth to Jack, it's
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: been my little treat at the end.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Of the night.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I deserve this.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: It was my pregnancy craving and now I can't go
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: a night without drinking Coke. Zero. And I kind of,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, well, if that's my little treat, it's not
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the worst thing. I don't really drink alcohol. I can
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: have a freaking Coke Zero. Yeah, I know. But I
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: want to keep it to being a little treat. I
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: think that, you know, it's best to moderate it a
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: little bit. So I've been trying to get back into
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: drinking kombucha. I feel like it's a little bit better
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: for me. And I'm devastated because Lobros, which is my
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: preferred kombucha flavor, no longer seems to be available in
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Coles or Woolies. Like I can't get it in my
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: online shop. So I'm back on Remedy and I don't know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: they're just not as, they don't taste as sweet as Lobros,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: but they have a range called Sodaly and I've come
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: across this blood orange flavor.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: That was so good. I actually wanted it over my
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Coke Zero.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I went through a phase of drinking those. They're great.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: You need ice with them and to put it in
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: a nice glass.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: So I've got a Starbucks tumbler that I drink specifically
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: from for it.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: See, I really wanted an ice maker that did that
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: pebble ice. Didn't you have one?
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: No. Well, I think Dale didn't realise that I wanted
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the pebble ice specifically.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: So it's still really nice.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I don't want to sound ungrateful, but he got me
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: an ice maker, but it sort of makes bigger pieces
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: of ice.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's still good. No, it's still good.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: It's great. I actually just updated my ice cube tray
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: to a Kmart one. What was it previously? It was
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: just some shit. Like it was probably from Kmart, but
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: this one's got a lid. Oh, look at you.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I've got two recommendations.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: One is someone to follow on Instagram and I've been
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: going on about her, Kate, to you. It's Grace Andrews.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: She used to work on Diary of a CEO. She's
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: this social media whiz. I actually want to get her
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: on one of our Christmas episodes because not only does
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: she kind of sound like Emma Watson, like she's got
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: the coolest English accent, but she is also so smart
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: specifically about social media. So she was the first hire
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: on Diary of a CEO and And she was able
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: to transform the show. I think they went from having,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: it was something like 70,000 subscribers on YouTube to I
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: think 10 million by the time she left. So is
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: the plan to get her on the Christmas episode and
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: then we just literally pick her brain for outspoken? Like
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: how do we get to the level of diversity? That's
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: how we do it. But she's actually just left the show.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: So she's started up a YouTube channel.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: She's available.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. She's doing all these keynote speeches and she's going
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: to launch a product. So she's one to follow because
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I think A lot of people are sick of just
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: watching your stock standard influencer that their day's filled with
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: getting their nails done and their hair cut.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: People want a bit more now.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And my other recommendation is you need to watch
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Fit for TV, the reality of the biggest loser on Netflix.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I'm halfway through it at the moment and absolutely gripped
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: by it. Like I feel a mixture of nostalgic and
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: sick at the same time. It's crazy to think the
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: stranglehold that show had on us and how detrimental it's been.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I remember watching nearly every series of The
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Biggest Loser and now you see snippets of it. Like
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: they had this snippet of temptation when they were getting
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: the contestants to move food around in their mouth. And
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know, as a kid, you didn't realise it,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: but they were just trying to humiliate all of the contestants. Oh,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: it was so humiliating under this guise of helping them out. And,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to ruin the show for
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: people who haven't seen it, but you see how detrimental
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: the whole process was for the contestants' health. I think
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the thing that shocked me the most was, They obviously
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: had trainers on the show.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: They had a medic as well. But they didn't have
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: a psychologist.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Well, actually, on the later series in Australia, they implemented
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: a psychologist and they moved away from such dramatic weight loss.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: But that's where the audience dropped off. And people were like,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see them talking to a psychologist.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I love the inclusion of Bob Harper in it. I
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: can't believe he's 60.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I thought he looked so good for 60. Same.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Well, Julian Michaels was a notable absentee. And they put
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: a lot on her. So they accused her of giving
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: contestants caffeine tablets. Well, at the time that was highly
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: documented in the media, but she's come out now and
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: said she's going to sue. Yeah. She's saying she wants
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: to sue Bob. She wants to sue Netflix. There's no
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: love lost between Bob and Jillian, is there? Yeah. So
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Bob spoke about how he had this massive heart attack
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: and he said the only person he didn't hear from
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: was Jillian Michaels. And then Jillian jumped on her Instagram
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: after this documentary saying, And she had a screenshot of
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: her last text message with Bob. And it was basically
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: her saying, well, Bob, you haven't replied to my text.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: This is really sad. I don't agree with what you've done.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: So she's implying that Bob is the one.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Who fucked her over.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Imagine how incredible a doco on the Australian Biggest Loser
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: would be because you, of course, had Michelle Bridges who,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: did she leave her husband for the commando and then
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: they had a relationship? Yeah, and you've got AJ, the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: former host. She's already been going to town on TikTok
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get her in front of a camera crew.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think sadly a lot of her claims probably
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: wouldn't make it to TV because they are quite defamatory.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, she's got a big problem with Michelle Bridges
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: So, yeah. we're in such a time where we're having
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: such a reckoning with early 2000s television. Think about the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: way we're responding to shows like America's Next Top Model.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: And I mean, even just watching The Biggest Loser, it
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: made me think about how we all used to have
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: those calorie counting books and how you'd know how many
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: calories were in everything because they used to list it
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: on the TV show.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: There's so many TikToks.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I've seen and it says, as millennials, no wonder we
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: feel the way we do about our bodies when this
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: is what we grew up with.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I remember finding out how many calories were in a
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: milkshake and being like, I'm never having one.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't have one for like 10 years. How ridiculous.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we did have that calorie counter book and we
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: brought it with us on holiday to Singapore and I
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: didn't look up a milkshake.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I looked up a hash brown and was horrified. Don't
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: tell me because I'm eating them again.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I have as many hash browns as I want now.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm actually getting quite hungry talking about this. So
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I think We'll wrap things up there. I'm going to
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: go have a milkshake and a hash brown just as
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: a fuck you to the biggest loser. I'd love to
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: go and drive now and get a milkshake. Well, thank
• 35:27
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• 35:30
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• 35:50
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• 35:52
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• 35:52
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