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"Bugonia": When The Rich Feel Alien And The Poor Choose Violence · High n' Dry Podcast

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh nice.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well you're not gonna you're not gonna fucking believe this, but I also just started one.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um but we're having that that age-old issue of you play one, you can't get together again for a couple weeks, you know?
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Are you playing in-person, James?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is that an in-person campaign?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um it started last year and it was just a couple of friends who were like, hey, you like that, right?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: We want to try it.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, I see your dog in the background.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: You figured out the window to me.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I'm DMing it and I got an eclectic group of people.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: One of them likes to collect teeth out of everything, pull all the teeth out of every every every head.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: Very nice.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: As long as they're having fun.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's what matters.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty funny.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's I miss uh I did miss it, I have to say.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's cool doing an in-person because it's different, I have to say, than it than the online.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: It like you're just able to see there we have like a board and like with uh you know figurines and stuff, and it's cool to just kind of have that laid out for you.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: That was pretty dope.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: I had a good first session, I had a lot of fun, and it was chaos, it wasn't even a smooth session.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh shit.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well, sometimes those are the best, honestly.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we could we could probably talk about that all day, but uh hey everybody.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh welcome to High and Jai Podcast.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Ryan Bear North with me as always, James Crossland.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: Luke, fellas, how you doing?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh D D and nerding out aside.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: How's how are things going?
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Golf golfing well.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Fucking war.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: War were declared, but uh Luke, you were in a golf tournament?
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: How'd that go?
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: That went well.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: That was a lot of fun, you know.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool, that's cool.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, no, we gotta hold on to the little things these days.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: So uh you know, with the world ending and all that kind of fun stuff.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm glad uh you both are still here with us.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: So um that being said, folks, we got a great show for you today.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, as we're saying, this is High and Dry Podcast.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the only podcast keeping alive the fandom that is final space.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: Final space.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: Final space, absolute ravenous fan base, of which I actually am a part of.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was a very well-done animated series, a sci-fi series, that the entire catalog was erased as a tax break.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wait, this was during the HBO, I guess.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: HBO Max switchover.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: I actually do remember Final Space.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'd seen a few episodes of that.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was it was a great amount of fun, and we were all enjoying it.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: We were laughing, we were crying, and then the rich motherfucking powers that be saw that it was more advantageous to completely erase some of their shows from existence as a uh uh write-off.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: That wasn't the one on Mars, was it?
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, that was a different one.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: You're thinking about the one where he's like a middle management kind of guy who goes to Mars, loses his girlfriend, and just kind of expists.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: That one was depressing as fuck.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: I loved it.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was great.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: That was depressing as hell.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, well, uh, for those of you driving to work now, this is a Tuesday morning.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, we're a day late.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we won't actually be talking about Final Space or that other one on Mars.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think Rob Lowe was in that one.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe, who cares?
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, who knows anymore.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we don't care.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we're not actually gonna be talking about that.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: We are actually going to be talking about the film Bologna, starring uh Bologna starring Emma Stone, Jesse Pymons, uh Plemens, sorry, uh Aiden Delby.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um fantastic all.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: And uh that's what we're gonna be talking about today.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: And we're gonna do it Emily Slow.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, well, for like two seconds.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was very bizarre.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: She had like no speaking line.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but uh we're gonna do it in a special three-part method guaranteed to get you the best podcast bang for your podcast buck.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: Part one, we're gonna break this thing down, we're gonna rate it, and we're gonna give you the definitive rating out of five stars.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: Better than anything Fandango has ever done.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then we're gonna dive into the golden path.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're gonna get onto the golden path.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of diving in this show.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, we're going to delve into the deeper meanings.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, we're dive again.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: We're dive again.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this is a diving team, and we're gonna fucking show that.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that was impressive.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: Delve, D, like, uh, but anyway.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: And we're gonna get into some of those deeper meanings.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then finally, we're going to insert ourselves drugs or alcohol in a couple of things.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: As we descend further into this podcast.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we're just like doing like a V for Vendetta, but he's like just D.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but um what makes it so special, fun, is that we're gonna be doing it drunk andor high.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: So drunk or drugs.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: Drunk or drugged uh as we delve deliciously into this um discussion.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: Deckad in discussion in which we will display our no anyway.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um what are you guys smoking this week?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Dank there.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: We're done.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: Let's get going.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: I will I I I I don't have anything to go off of with that.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be joining you guys with Maker's Mark the Kingdom.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: It comes with a mustard yellow top that just looks awful on this.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, mustard yellow, traditionally very appetizing flavor.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but uh let's see, the kingdom make noise.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh 90 horsepower.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: Our loudest pack for the league's loudest team.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's a special Kansas City Kansas City.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there you go, Kansas City.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: You get an ugly fucking maker's mark bottle.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: Enjoy.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: So let's line them up, fellas.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: And now, Luke, I know you're gonna be doing some uh relay racing for this.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: I am, it should be fun.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm excited for you.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: So this first toast, this first hit, first shot, this one goes out to our newest listeners.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, these ones coming from us in our last episode.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: We got Berlin from the state of Berlin.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: We got Toronto, Ontario, Sussex Inlet of New South Wales.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see, Wandsworth of Wandsworth, Bangkok, and Melbourne, Victoria.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: Some some very original VPNs we had this time around.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: So thank y'all for uh for you guys.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's several people in Australia.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: The Wandsworth one you said you said made me made it sound like it was you introducing like a prince to a royal party.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: This is uh Wandsworth of Wandsworth.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's how we feel about all of our listeners.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: They're all all royalty.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: All royalty.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: They're our thick kings coming in to listen.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: So uh, fellows, here's to you and your VPNs.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: Woo! That is tasted like nothing.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm I'm gonna have to take a second shot.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're you will soon.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's how it works.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: What the fuck is that?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Luke is Luke is gone.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: We can talk mad shit about him.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that guy, he's a great guy.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we have a he's back already.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: He's back, he's back, he's back.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: All right, line up the second one.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: Why'd you even come back?
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's the whole point.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: Is it's a relay, right?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a relay.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's a relay.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, get that blood pumping.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: All right, yeah.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: All right, what do we sit still and talk about a movie for an hour?
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: Gotta give me warm for that.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: Gotta get the blood flowing, brain sharp.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: Here's uh here's to getting Luke's blood flowing.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm talking about.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone can do it if they want.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna sit still.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: I actually felt that one a little bit.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's good.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: So uh smooth.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: Smooth, yeah.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's clearly, clearly, it's one of the smoothest ones you've drank on here.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: Keep staying time before you have your headphones on.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't count.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta put your headphones on before you say time.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'll get it on the next one.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: All right, it's time for our final toast, final shot, final hit.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: This one goes out to our movie of the week.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Bulgaria.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Bulgonia.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: Bulgonian.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: And Luke is off.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, should we really be drinking whiskey?
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: Should we really be toasting this movie?
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea what to even after you know digesting it for a day.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: I still have no idea what to think about it.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it wants or cares about anything I have to say.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: You are currently diving into some deep delving topics on this particular uh I need to come up with boys.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: Next week, bring your thesaurus.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um we're gonna really get into that.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, how you doing, Luke?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: You with us?
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Fucking, I'm good.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm good.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Breath is called It is time to rate this thing.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: So uh Begonia.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: It was an interesting movie.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh sure was.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Luke, do you want to give a rundown and start?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because I I you you got cut off with some ideas.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: You were gonna say something about Jesse Plemens.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I can.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Jesse Plemens is actually just an actor who I have such a vivid memory of, and I watched Friday Night Lights is the show that I first saw him in.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that was I'm pretty sure that was pretty early in his acting career.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember that now.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my he was on an episode of Sabrina in like Sabrina the Teenage Witch in like 1998, where he played a shithead kid in a class full of witches who uh distinctly he was like 12 years old.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: We watched we watched the series again recently, and and I was like, is that been fucking just a climate?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: And it was that's so funny.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Damn, he's just been slogging it out.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: Damn, he's finally now catching like some traction.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: All right, yeah, and I mean of him.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he he uh and I distinctly remember, like, and this is I mean, imprinted in my brain.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: I I couldn't tell you when I watched the show, this would have been 20 years ago plus, and I still remember him like the scene where he kills a guy in a parking lot.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: Now I was like, this is Friday.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I remember the kid, I'm like, holy shit, Friday night.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was like this is intense, like really um he was he had like an intense quick character arc in Friday Night Lights.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um Jesse Plemens type, just a real dramatic, brother.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Every role is a real Jesse Plemens type.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, with that being said, I'll you know, I actually thought the acting was pretty strong here.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Jesse Plemens in particular, I thought did a really good job of his character.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: In a stone Did we did we want to rem review the movie?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Do we want to give a quick summary of the movie?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so a quick rundown for you folks at home.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um if you gentlemen are good with it, I'll I'll slap it.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Mind you, just spoiler alert, because this is a movie that is like is a twist.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: So like it this is big spoilers alert, but yeah.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so uh in this film, we see uh Jesse Plyman's character, um, and he has a cousin with him that's uh played by Aiden Delby, and they have gotten it into their heads that the Andromedans, you know, alien race from our neighboring galaxy, have been here and they have bad intentions for our planet, and these two guys that they're sort of portrayed as, you know, what you'd think of is someone who comes up with a theory of this, um, a little unconscious.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: Bumbling conspiracy theorists.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: Bumbling conspiracy theorists, and but these two decide after a chemical castration to kidnap the CEO of a uh corporation where uh uh Clemens' character works, by played by Emma Stone, and they bring her down into the basement and from there, interrogating her, shaving her hair off because it it allows her to communicate with the other Andromedans, just essentially put this woman in a basement and um inflict their will upon her.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: And as we get further into the film, we're sort of constantly asking ourselves, wait a minute, are these motherfuckers on to something?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's where we start very late in the film that they're that they might that they think they might be on to something.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well I did just because uh I I felt it kind of early on, just because I'm like, that's that's the way this should go.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um but um I I won't we'll probably wind up spoiling that as we go further.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: So let's rate this thing.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: So uh Luke, how'd you feel about it?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I thought it was I I liked the movie.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a it's a weird watch, is how I would describe it.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's definitely not like I would say what you'd call a normal movie, and I feel like they were going for some symbolism and some things.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: And what's the symbology there?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's like I feel like they had like well well symbolically, you know, there's probably we can get into the golden path, but the oh yeah, the movie itself is definitely not just like a a family movie, if that yeah, I guess.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't recommend it.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh this is perfect.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's oh I thought you meant with your children.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, well I mean obviously have already seen this.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh all the kids six sevening and clamoring after Bogonia.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, yes, obviously.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I think like overall I really like the movie.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was fun, but I do think it's like an artistic style movie, and I think that you kind of do have to watch it with a particular length.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think necessarily everybody who just is going for a good time to the movies, because there are people who just want fun movies that just make them enjoy things.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um that won't be for you because this is definitely gonna like it has you know pretty obvious messages of what it's going for, and um also, you know, it's not easy subject matter.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: But acting I thought was really good.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think the cast was really uh sh like tight.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: There wasn't a lot of a lot of cast.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: I literally put it in my notes that like I'm like, what is there, like fucking six characters in this entire movie?
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's really like driven forward by like the three main characters, uh Emma Stone, Jesse, Pimmons, and Aiden Delvis.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: All three of them are like the the core, and then that the cop, the Stavros, he's also in tires.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's the only thing I know him from, other than this, but you know, he was kind of that third or that that other fourth character, the mom, kind of, if you wanna you wanna call her that, you know.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: So really, really tight-knit cast.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the cinematography, the cinematography I thought was really, really cool.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: There were some really cool camera shots.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I wouldn't call it like the best best cam camera work I've ever seen or um anything like that, but I definitely notated a few few different um camera shots.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: The I don't know if they were going for it, but like the CGI at the end looked fucking terrible.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: And in my opinion, I maybe it didn't to you guys, but like part I was like, what the fuck it happened?
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Did you guys just bull and it literally made me look up the budget?
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what's the budget of this movie?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's like$55 million, so it wasn't like that cheap.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I I thought with the short cast and everything like that, it was gonna be really cheap, but I think they just threw a lot of money at the maybe you know, the lead cast.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that's I thought it was kind of funny.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was kind of the CG.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Was it do you think it was meant to be that?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: I I felt it fit.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: It fit, it fit.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was like an exact it was like it was like a representation of what he did on his computer.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, at one time when I was uh when we were in the middle of the movie, I looked at Sharon and I was like, man, I wish I had the like energy of a schizophrenic, you know, able to sit down and like did model a whole ship fucking yeah, yeah.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: That kind of energy.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fucking tired.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I will.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was supposed to be like it was supposed to be like a perfect like recreation of that.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: I do I do agree, but it just like they could have done a perfect recreation and make it look good in my opinion.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like it just eh the oh acting I would have given uh 4.5.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, I don't have my phone.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: Solid um cinematography, I would give a four.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like I said, I thought there were some really cool camera shots.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't nothing like really was like, oh my god, I hated that.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: I also thought it was and I this is kind of a play on both the score and the cinematography, but there was a couple scenes where it would just be like almost nothing, just a broad shot of a scenery.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like I remember specifically one of the house in the barn and him in the car, and it was like this loud orchestra music, and I feel like it was giving us insight into the chaos into his head a little bit, and I just was like very I just it was cool.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: It made me feel like just like oh my god, like kind of feel chaotic almost in those moments, and I felt like it was purposeful.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: But cinematography I'd give a four overall, just because I don't think like you know, I think the CGI really was like bad.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: I love would have loved to see it polished up and nothing else like really stood out to me.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: The score soundtrack I thought was good.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of orchestra in it.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, you know, if that was interesting.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: I so I can't give it like a super duper high score just because like it it it just a kind of a little score off just because uh it was almost jarring at like I was and I think it was per like I said it was purposeful that it did it, but just like it was so loud, like like it felt chaotic, and you know that's not necessarily a nice thing to feel.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So that like you know, at the end of the day, um I just didn't enjoy it because it was so um out of place and almost yeah.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: The the the chaoticness is a really good point, and you know what you said about the swelling of the music, it made me feel like the music that because you know, in those scenes in an in a normal movie, those scenes where that's like those, you know, just wide shots where there's one character and it's like solitude, you don't get like a swelling orchestra, but it's like the that thing is like to me, what that said to me was this is driving toward a point, right?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just it's not just solitude and like pondering.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's like this this rising music is like driving us toward some kind of conclusion, you know, something there's something happening, yeah.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think that yeah, that's why the scenes were maybe kind of plain because they're like leaning heavily on that.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I would um give that a four.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: The story plot.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Huh.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't I hadn't really thought about this a lot.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: I just watched this um yesterday, but I I really I liked it.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was a fun movie.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: It kind of made me laugh, like the in the sill, you know, the silliness of the chase.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm breaking up a little.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Pause.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Ryan says I'll pick it up.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: And you're back.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, cool.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, the yeah, the story the story and plot I I really enjoyed.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't I came out of the the movie was and I liked it.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't get bored throughout the movie.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that um the characters were dynamic enough.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: I you know, I did not see Don shooting himself coming.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: I that one.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I didn't see that coming either.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: That was rough.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what the fuck?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: You what uh exactly like I saw it about two seconds before it happened, and I was like he's about to kill himself.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, god was a rough scene, and I felt like you know his character in general was like pretty interesting because he I you know he seemed like kind of maybe special needs on the spectrum kind of kind of deal and kind of being manipulated by Jesse Pimmon's um character quite a bit.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: The actor is autistic, okay.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: He talks about it openly.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's so it was but I love like his character was so amazing because it was like he he was you know, it's kind of like he's he's a villain, but he's not like he really is just like just just this almost dragged along.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dragged along by but you know, not for nothing.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Jesse Plumman's character isn't out of line for his insanity.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and we're we're gonna nail the shit out of that.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we gotta talk about that.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's golden path shit.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so but yeah, we I would give the story a plot of four point five.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then rewatchability.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't a movie I would say is like a super rewatchable movie.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not like just put it on while you got friends over.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like pop off Donia in the background.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: If I had a friend that kind of would like that slypo type of movie for sure though.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's something that you'd want to show to people that really like film and shit like that.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: If you got a bunch of like artsy friends, yeah.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're getting together to drink barefoot.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so but not rewatchability 2.5.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's a two it's a 2.5.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't make rewatchable movies anymore.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, well, well, he does have a few others with uh Emma Stone.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: And um But they're not never ones just pop on.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: There's reasons you'd rewatch them.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but uh not for anything that like you're not gonna watch it from the beginning to the end, I tell you that much.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, well uh James, you or me?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I can go next.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so let's see.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I agree with Luke that the acting was really good.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: I I felt that Jesse Plemens was doing a Jesse Plemens and he did it well.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: This might be the most Jesse Plemens we've seen.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: That is ever Clemens.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Except for, of course, like Civil War.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: That was a pretty Plemens Plemens.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that was very Clemens-y.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but he's got it.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what he does, and he does it super well.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like the uh, you know, we were I remember the the campfire scene and like his eye his his his pupils were like fucking saucers during that scene when he was like looking at Don and telling him what had to happen.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Jesse Fleming's really creepy in that movie.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um Stavros Halkius, he uh he played a really great uh uh grown-up child molester.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, well, I just will say in Civil War, especially, um, I saw that Jesse Flemings is slowly turning into Philip Seymour Hoffman.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: He could place Philip Seymour Hoffman in a movie, but like a biopic about Philip Seymour.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: He could.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Certainly.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: But I think he's better than Philip Seymour Hoffman ever was.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, I think Jesse Plum is way better.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was never a fan of like Magnolia or anything like that anyway.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, who was a lot of people who love film, just not me.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: Let me see.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Emma Stone did a really great job being fucking creepy and weird.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: And there was a scene where he like first was going upstairs and she was like like looking like this over her shoulder, and I was like, that was the first time I was like, I think she might be, I think she might actually be an alien.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is she?
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like legit.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like she, I don't know.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with you though.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like she was creepy, like very much.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she was really creepy.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, she she played otherworldly well.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: And and we'll talk about in the film about like that's not just aliens but also the rich.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll we'll hit on that and stuff.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but yeah, I thought the acting was great.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'll give it a 4.5.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Also, let me think.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: So cinematography.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: I also thought there were some excellent shots.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, there were a lot of great shots, uh like wide shots of like the bees like going about you, like they'd they'd shoot the the um the uh uh beehives and you'd see like just the little bees like it just the little glint of the bees like as the sun hits them, and it would just be this wide shot of the house and the property and just the bees going about their business.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and like and with a fucking orchestra just going hanging in the background.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: And this is building towards something, you know.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I thought the cinematography was really good.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: I like the way um, you know, one thing that really stuck out to me was when they were when you first when you first meet Stavros Halkius, and it's like he's like filmed from underneath with like his big belly like being the center of the shot and like the way the way he's looking at him and stuff, and you're like, this guy's like fucking menacing.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like you get the idea that he's menacing and like gross, and like yeah, yeah, like it really is.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he really is.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, yeah.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: The way this movie was shot was just uh, you know, it showed a real mastery of the craft.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I like the one shot as well where Jesse Plement like it was of her confessing, like to confessing fake, kind of doing a fake way.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: He like walks toward um and you just hear his footsteps, just like and it was just such a cool.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like very cool, like shot real low.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well done.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'd say I'm for uh cinematography.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh yeah, I'll give that a 4.5.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was really good also.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then let's see, score and soundtrack.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm gonna do yeah, we already talked about the swelling score and stuff, but everything else, you know, it was the difference between this big swelling score and like silence.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I really that was really memorable for me.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: And normally I don't remember anything, and so I'm gonna give this a four.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's no, it's no I'm not whistling any of the tunes from you know, any of the orchestra from it, but I remembered it and it was used very effectively.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's a rare rating for you.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: So it's usually three three.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, three.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember it.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: I unless it was Jurassic River, yeah.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like there was a key uh key tar solo when they're supposed to be remembering the death.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: That makes it hard.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: For story and plot, some things about the story and plot bother me.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like the implications of the uh of saying that you know, this schizophrenic who is in an echo chamber and shit and is a serial killer is justified.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we can have that discussion, but like that part of the plot doesn't resonate with me and kind of makes kind of lowers it for me a little.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: But I really enjoyed the twists.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I caught the I caught the suicide one coming just a little earlier.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: I caught the the place the point where I started to suspect she might be an alien was when they were sitting down to dinner and she mentions about she says something about the bees.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: And uh Jesse Flems' character says, Oh, I've I said, you know, I've had the I've said those exact same words, and I was like, I was like for his internal logic, he had her smearing the histamine cream all over herself to try to stop her from being able to read their minds, and like she just took a shower, and now she's saying a thing that a thing that he's he said exactly.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what's impressive about this movie was that attention to tiny little details.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so that's where I started to suspect, which was you know, it was still pretty far off from the reveal.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: We don't get the reveal until the very end that she's actually an alien.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like in the last five minutes, five to ten minutes that you're 100% sure that she's that she is, yeah.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, but yeah, the plot was uh I enjoyed the plot, and so I'm gonna give it a four.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, rewatchability, yeah.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I'm ever gonna rewatch this movie again.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Why why would I rewatch this movie?
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the only reason to re-watch it is to show it to somebody.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: I guess I would rewatch rewatch with someone just to watch them and be like, what the fuck do we think about this?
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: This wild movie.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, remember when I had you over and we watched the invitation and you got super high?
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I do remember that.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: I I think about that a lot and how embarrassing that was.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: But it for me, the invitation, it's not a thing I'm ever gonna watch alone.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: But when someone's like, I'm really into suspense and all that, like I have a thing for you and I know what we're doing tonight.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: I've watched it probably like five or six times.
• 30:36
  unknown: Oh shit.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm glad I I'm glad I showed you the invitation.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: That that's the invitation, not the vampire film.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: It was the cult film.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: 2016, yeah.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the vampire film sucked.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, yeah.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: I I'd probably give this a I'll give this a 2.5 also.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: Just because you know, you're both right that this is a film you showed other people, and maybe I'll watch it another time, but like afterward, you know, I just I was just gonna sit in there like oh you feel so sick.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like what the fuck did I just watch?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's not an easy watch.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: I would that is not what you describe it as.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a wild, wild ride.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: With and well, so for me, um acting was fantastic.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah absolutely fantastic.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh especially with um our our leads, uh Jesse Plemens and Emma Stone just fucking are like the they know what to do.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they they got the assignment.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um acting was was great all around.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Even when the fucking sheriff showed up and nonchalantly dropped that he molested Jesse.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, god damn it.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, acting was fantastic.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm going to g I'm trying to think the only acting I'm gonna take away from uh the reason why I'm gonna give it a 4.5 instead.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: Is Alicia Silverstone.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: She was just she was just lying there in a fucking tub being Alicia Silverstone, and I'm like, I'm supposed to sit there going like oh, it's okay because of Clueless.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: And no, I I refuse, I refuse to bow to Alicia Silverstone, and I will never forgive her for Batman and Robin.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: So for that, I give this film a 4.5 in acting.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um cinematography.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: It it definitely did the job.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like you guys have both have said, they they knew the assignment, they knew what they were doing, they knew how to convey what they what they needed to convey, and they did it effectively.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um the shots on the bees were fantastic.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: The they were able to take this small claustrophobic uh house, and uh when she was allowed upstairs to the dinner table, I felt liberated and yeah, they knew what they were doing.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um so for cinematography, uh I I'm also going to give uh a 4.5 just because of the the ending.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: I just got I just got reminded with the cinematography uh the the scenes where there were the flashbacks where he was taking those big needles out of his mom, like collecting collecting the needles.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then when she's in the night scenes, yeah, and then when she's in the bathtub and she hit he's like holding the the you know IV and she's like floating up in the air, you know.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like I thought the cinematography was fantastic.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely, definitely.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh score and soundtrack, you guys were right on with that as well.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'm gonna say, um, you know, I'm having problems remembering it now, and oh yeah, just just to be fair with James's method, I'm gonna give it a three.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Story and plot.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: I remember it, but I remember the effect it had on me.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Story and plot.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna give it uh I'm gonna give it a four.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: This was originally a Korean film.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: And yep.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so the the story and plot is fantastic.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: However, what we're watching here is is a remake.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: And do you know how close they are?
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: I do not.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's yeah, don't worry about it.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: No biggie.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I'm gonna give it a four.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna give it a four.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: There there's things I would have liked to have seen.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: There's things I feel that we didn't get to finish.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like the fact that you introduced the sheriff's molestation with with very little I guess return.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, granted, he was killed with a shovel, so I guess we have to kind of accept that as the ending.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but then just some of it felt like especially with Alicia Silverstone, where where I get that his mom's doing this and that, but I just felt that the parts of the story were a little rushed or incomplete.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: But that's not to say it was bad.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: It was fantastic.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Four is an amazing fucking score.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: So four rewatchability.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: I uh I will show this to friends.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: I will not watch this on my own.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: There there's things about this movie, especially to me, that are unwatchable.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I was watching it, I was tempted to fast forward at times.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: It does make it's meant to make you feel uncomfortable, and it does.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't I don't just feel uncomfortable for fun.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, which is great, but I I feel uncomfortable just fucking watching the news.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, yeah.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: I watch movies for comfort a lot.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so for that, I'm gonna give it a 2.5.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very fair, very fair.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's 2.5 across the board for rewatchability for us, I think.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I wanted to give it a three, but I I they just some of it was just too uncomfortable.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate that art does need to be uncomfortable at times.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I do, but luckily this art was so impressive that the rest of the scores I think are going to really be.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just say I've put on The Office before I go to bed.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not putting on begonia before I go to bed.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I've I've got a Norman Rockwell paying it, hate painting hanging, you know, not some fucking uh not the sat not Saturn eating his child, you know.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's certainly the art is good, but it doesn't mean that I want to look at it all the time.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't bring me comfort.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: They're people.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: But well, so Luke, what do we wind up with?
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: Gives it a grand total of a four, a four out of five.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Fair.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: Very good.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: I was worried that the rewatchability would bring it down, but I think a four is very fair for it.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: Three point eight point three point eight.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Our method is infallible.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was it was a point off to Yeah, like no.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: If if I was sitting there and someone said, Hey, this is a four out of five film, and then I watched the film, I'm like, God damn it, they were right.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Just like high and dry podcasts always is always and ever.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: So real bleak four out of five.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: A very bleak four out of five.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: We appreciate art, but god damn it, do I not want to watch this again?
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there is there is what there's one scene I might watch again, and that's the that's the postmortem headbutt.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, I literally wrote one of my one of my notes is what the fuck did I write?
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it was the head hitting her in the face is diabolical.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like what the heck?
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: She had it coming.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: She had it coming.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, then they put a not a knot on her forehead for the fucking.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: It was so funny.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: It was so funny.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, boys, it's time to line up the final hit, final shot, final toast.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: This one goes out to a wonderful forehead knot and a very well-deserved four out of five.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: Ah did you did you laugh a lot during this movie?
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: There was only once or twice that I laughed, but this movie is like the genre it's marked as is a comedy.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like what I it's black comedy.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's black comedy.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't even laugh at black comedy.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: Even even calling it black comedy, there was like one or two scenes that were funny.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was this was mostly a suspense movie.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: This is very it is so b- that's the thing with black comedy.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: It is comedy only in the most strictest sense of irony and um people on the bottom rising up.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so the four the the headbutt.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um just the the outrageousness of the teleporter being real and it causing a suicide vest to explode.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: The absurdness of her escaping the ambulance.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um uh just that's what makes it a comedy, just in the strictest sense of the word.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: It is a black comedy, and I generally don't care for black comedy.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: But uh but again, I I got credit.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: I have to give I have to give credit where credit's due.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: This was uh this was a very good film.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: So uh so let's dive onto the golden path.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: The the deeper meanings of this film uh for me the first thing that got me was just if we're looking at this as um you know a classist sort of thing, and where she is representative of our CEOs and the rich and everything like that, what drove me fucking insane was like was her returning to the mothership and having no sense of empathy, understanding whatsoever, and being able to cast that judgment and feeling from her position that it was right to do so.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like she has some sort of moral high ground in this when she has shown no moral high ground.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: She came to another planet, she did not take a position as one of the average people of this planet, she took a position as a one percenter, a head CEO, she did not experience this planet in any way, and from this just side off, you know, um way, like she gets to determine the fate of it.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: And is deemed deemed humanity pretty much unsavable based on this very, very segregated portion of our community.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: If if she had to come to that conclusion by being one of us, I I'd be more open to the idea, but she didn't.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: She came to that conclusion as uh a fucking privileged bystander.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that is what we as a society are experiencing right now, is that we all come out of the 13.8 billion years of a void for 50 years of wage slavery just to return to the void while a thousand assholes get to determine how the world turns.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um that's what I saw here.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the the idea that the rich are aliens, like they live an alien life with alien perspectives and stuff, uh, because of their because of the isolation that they have from the rest of the populace.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: This movie this movie did a really interesting thing where it showed two extremes of isolation.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it was like the isolation of poverty and mental illness and struggle that that a lot of people uh end up facing that makes them kind of uh reject their humanity in order to survive.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's the there's the scene where Jesse Plemons tells Don, don't treat her as a human woman because then you'll care, you know.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's trying to it's trying to manipulate you.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: Don't don't treat it like a human woman.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and so and so they're rejecting these feelings of humanity as like a coping mechanism because they feel like they have to harden themselves for the things that are necessary that need to be done.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas with the rich, you know, this this isolation is one that comes from um from not facing consequences and from not having any reason to need to to be on the same level as other people and care about them.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's this it's this self-inflicted isolation that like poisons their brains.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: And even she says that it like poisoned her brain being among the humans in like this class structure.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, it's really really interesting that duality of different types of isolation.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and and Luke, what do we yeah, and I and I thought it was extremely like they showed him kind of in that.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like they showed that class is like him as like one of the people very early in the movie, like showing him at the the shop, like very normal guy working with in a factory.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, some woman hasn't gone to OSHA, he's like an advocate trying to get her to do the correct thing.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, that I hadn't thought about it before you said it, James, but it also kind of portrays Victoria as like really making this guy a heroic person.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: And at the end of the day, he's a serial killer.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like he killed a lot of people that were were not this species.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Was he correct about his theory?
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, but he is he is to his core not a good person.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um idolizing somebody like that, and they and they kind of make you do, because even myself, I was like, I felt that way where you're like, Oh, yeah, yeah, you're like, oh well, you know, holy shit, the dude's right.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, but that's a one in a million chance, right?
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: So he could be right and also go about things differently, too.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: Do more research before murdering people?
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, maybe where he failed was dragging his cousin into it.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was also just like, you know, I don't look.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it just uh in terms of a classist argument, and this is an argument that uh that I'll make every time the fucking discussion comes up, is that we're talking about something that has been ingrained for the past 8,000 years.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's gonna require some really nasty shit for it to change.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: So, in my opinion, we need someone like this guy um to do what needs to be done.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: However, when he dragged his cousin into it, that was wrong.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: But then there's also needs to be an acceptance of now that I've fixed the world, I don't get to have a part in it.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: The things that I had to do, the things that I embodied, I need to be killed or exiled.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: But the thing is, he didn't fix the world, he ended up destroying it.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's the thing.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: He ended up destroying the world because he wouldn't convince this alien to like let it to be like, oh, it was a lost cause.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: But but if we're if we're talking about these aliens as a metaphor for the one percenters, like what are we supposed to do?
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: Just placate them?
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Gotta figure something else out because hunting them down, kill them all, they'll kill us all, they'll kill us all.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: They have the power to kill us all more than we have the power to kill them all.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, I think it's gonna require some serious uh subdifuge.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: It it's definitely yeah, yeah.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: He did he did a bad job.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: He did a bad job going around killing them because that it didn't it that didn't work.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe maybe on like the X number of the serial kills.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: The message of this film, and uh what uh and and that you can quote this just from like his fucking mouth.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: What the director here was trying to say was that we need them all to die.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: We just have to be very, very sneaky about it, and that's straight from uh Yorgos Lithinmos.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: So uh you can quote him on that.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: I also I don't know if you guys noticed at the end of the movie, like there was a shot of a cat and the shot of the bees.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: They're still like alive, like they did not burn into this.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like all the animals, like which I just thought was kind of a play on the symbolism of humanity as a disease on this earth, and it like we're killing this mother earth, and it's like starting to reject us, and things like that, which was I I feel like was kind of an obvious, obviously, maybe they weren't going for that, but it is what I kind of like.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: But what pisses me off is that if if we're if this whole thing is a metaphor for the classes and things like that, is that it's fucking Emma Stone who's destroying it.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: And but simultaneously, it's it's even more rich people who are really like.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but simultaneously it's Emma Stone that gets decided if we die.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're the one who put us here, you're the one who's deciding at the end.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: The problem is you.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just because things a problem doesn't mean that you solve it by killing it.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's the problem, is that is that I understand the frustration and I waver, you know, on my ideas on violence against oppressors and stuff.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: I I'll never blame someone for individually doing violence against their oppressor.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: That is totally understandable.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think that in the end, a lot of times it backfires because the systems, the systems of the oppressor are still in place.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, you know, not if not locally, globally, and all those things where it it does it.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: The thing about the subterfuge is yeah, it takes planning and organization.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: He says he's doing it all himself and stuff, and yeah, it takes planning and organization and and community and mutual aid and all of these things if you want to demolish the systems of oppression, where going around killing a bunch of like rich people just doesn't do it.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: Look at what happened in Russia.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they killed the Bolsheviks, you know.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm that didn't I mean I mean they killed the the czar and then and then uh I guess what the Bolsheviks took over, killed a bunch of them and stalin.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, all right, great.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's gotta be complete.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what she that's what Emma Stone did.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: And also, one thing I didn't like about that is uh it kind of ignores the whole problem of like you know, nuclear facilities running and like chemical factories and shit.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: The world's gonna fucking die.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: The world's gonna die as all of the remnants of us that we're not controlling anymore fucking leak into the environment.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: Without shit's automated and it's gonna fail.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like yeah, they haven't gone that far though.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it was also I this was a camera shot more than anything, but it was kind of an interesting uh symbol uh because they talked about them destroying, you know, killing the dinosaurs originally, and that's why they first.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then they shot had a camera shot over a skeleton of uh, you know, it looked like a long-necked dinosaur.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: I sorry, I don't know what you don't know your dinos.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, your dino the official name is, but and it was all like it was a bunch of humans laid there, you know, dead, shut off, whatever you wanna, yeah, whatever you want to call it.
• 50:27
  unknown: Right.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh, that was kind of cool.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like just like a play on earlier in the movie where they were talked about, yeah, just a genocide of of a species.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't like it wasn't uh the destiny of the meteors killing it.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: It was just like this, the these people who were like, eh, we want to hang out.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we fucking killed them all.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: Dang, we didn't expect that.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: And also the implications of what world travel would be like if there are other um suspends on these planets and the infection.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't, you know, not very many movies show that, but this one did in that way.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, when you world travel, you kid might be able to survive there, but the things, diseases you bring and the diseases they have um you know, come into play.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and that's what got me is like is Emma Stone is acting as though she's infallible.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but when you're empirically not.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: You are just as you're you are literally us.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that that was like a thing they kept bringing it up is that we were made in their image, and we didn't come up with that uh that infallibility.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: That that was we didn't come up with our our faults, they're clearly from you.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: You guys, just whatever political parties that you guys are dealing with as you invade space Iran, are obviously just passed on.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and and but and that and that's like the thing about this one that got me is that I know people are gonna watch it and just immediately pick, you know, one or the other, and then the subtlety is gonna be lost.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: Emma Stone's either gonna be seen as a good person, you're generally just gonna be seen as the right, or and and that's gonna be it.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: And that this required so much more thought.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: This movie's a fucking jumble of ideologies and shit.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_01: It is I don't think it's particularly coherent.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, well, so there's our four out of five incoherent mess.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's now time.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was a good watch.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: Good incoherent mess.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: It was fun.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I mean.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's a fun, like kind of fun chaos-ish, with just horribly hard scenes to watch.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_00: In between, I I I think I think uh a thousand years from now, if humans manage to get through this nonsense and we've progressed, it might be a better watch.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_00: It might even have some rewatchability to it.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: But right now, with us being on this precipice in between the two main characters, it it's just too fucking real.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's just too fucking real.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_01: It was really interesting.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's the hardest part of the watch.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: It was really interesting that the two characters essentially agreed in the end.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: Which I found really funny was that the two characters essentially agreed about about what they thought about what was happening.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: Supposedly.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: Supposedly, Emma Stone agreed.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Jesse Pim Plymen's distrust is what what actually betrayed him.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: His inability to trust he should have just present it and our overlords.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't well, they weren't doing a good job.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: Emma Stone said she was losing herself and becoming more cruel and shit.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I mean, both of them had severe problems, and they agreed.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's really funny.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: For her, if if if she is so willing to make these choices where she had just admitted that she's more cruel, she should have recused herself from the whole situation.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she can't because she's more cruel now.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_00: She can't zip it.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: So death to the 1%.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um and uh and Jesse.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: 1% and Jesse.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he'll be he'll be thrown up against the wall with the rest of them.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: He has he has a final retribution to exact upon you if you do.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I take his forehead to my forehead.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_00: So alright, so it's time now to insert ourselves into the film.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Lou, what happens with you in this movie?
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the only thing that I could genuinely see myself being a part of in this movie is sadly that I'd probably work for that company as like a fucking IT guy.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I that would be my whole like there would be probably one shot of me like doing you fixing fixing her computer or something at the beginning of her treating me like shit and maybe spitting on me or something, and then yeah, and you being super into it.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'd be like, I'll be back.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: Do you need this fix again maybe tomorrow?
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so uh yeah, and that would be be my my entire role.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like this is uh a movie very you know, small cast and it doesn't have very many characters, and I don't see myself fitting into the main plot here.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: So um I'm the IT guy for her who gets spat on.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: James.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I would definitely be the cop.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm just kidding.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: I would uh I'm trying to think who I'd be.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: So let's see.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd say I bet I would be in this same I'd be in the same area as Jet as uh you know it's going down.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'd probably have a kid, but because you know we have to introduce drugs and stuff, I'd be you know on drugs all the time and I'd be struggling with my addiction.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd tell my kid, you know, I could I I could be better, but the the aliens you gotta have the alien with the aliens are addressed, you gotta take on the alien.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_01: It turns out I'm Alicia Silverstone and uh eventually my kid kills me with antifreeze.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_01: You're Alicia Silver.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just Alicia Silverstone.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_01: I I have said I would just keep doing drugs and nothing would change.
• 56:34
  unknown: Okay.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, no, it's perfect.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_00: Alright.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: Alright.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, um, so for me, yeah.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna if I found out about this, I'm just gonna take it a different route.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna do things differently.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_00: I am not um going to utilize you know suicide vests and things of that nature.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm not at that point.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_00: I uh I'm not going to enlist my autistic cousin.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: I want him to live the best life he can, and I hope he does so.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be happy to hear that.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: If I found out about this, this is just on me now.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to start the systematic extermination of these creatures.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to do it on my own, but I'm going to, once I have solid proof, I'm going to carefully release it.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to then use my uh general charisma to collect the working class to my side.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to start be an alien kook.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, it's going to be just three Ryan Baron North.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to start putting my hand in my vacu all the fucking time.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to create an empire, the likes of which this world has never seen.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_00: And once the alien menace and all the rich and Jesse have been put up against the wall, I will exile myself because I have no place in this world I've created any longer.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I will rely on you two to steer the world into a new uh utopia.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_00: Jesse Fleming's killed me.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just a fucking IT guy.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna be like, hey, Luke, man, I I don't know if you watch the news, but uh I took over the world and killed the aliens and the rich people.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you got this?
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: All right, but I'm uh going off to Greenland.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: And uh Yeah, I got this.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: Alright.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: And uh that would be that'd be it.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's an interesting thing that I that just that just popped into my head.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the the trespasses that they use against each other, like the tresp the trespasses of the poor are like violence.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's like because we don't have the that's all they have.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: The poor the poor don't have the money to like do systemic change, they have violence, and the rich use systems to like trust trespass and transgress against the other classes, and the past use their mid modicum of power to molest the poor.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's also true.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I find it really interesting because that's also what the aliens did.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like the aliens came to Earth and started experimenting, and they wanted they wanted to help ostensibly, like they were talking about how they were trying to help, and they talked to each other about how they were trying to help and change like if they had talked to us and been like, hey, we're coming down, like we see a lot of problems here where it's like you guys are destroying the planet, you're fucking yeah, like we want to try to help and figure out some fucking solutions, but instead they use that power to secretly experiment to to and and that's and that's a transgression.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so Jesse Plemens having no other way to like fight back, like did violence, and uh yeah, yeah, the both of their transgressions are are it's it's the transgressions of their respective isolations, yes, yeah, without a doubt.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, this is physical versus versus systemic.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, I I think that's about of as best as we could put this fucking movie.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's yeah, and then that's also why it's got such a low fucking re-watchability.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to live through that again.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: God damn it.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's not something you can live through again.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, Jesus Christ, just just on that point of you know, all we have left is violence.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't want to be reminded of that.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_00: All right, I don't want to be reminded of that.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: All I wanted was a house and a happy life.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus Christ.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but uh please don't transgress against me.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, god damn it.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_00: But oh, they make it so hard.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um well they just want to transgress.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they just obviously they're just fucking begging for it.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: If there's anything they have, it's the audacity.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_00: They've got that.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_00: The wits and the audacity of this bitch.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_00: So well, uh there you go, folks.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: So uh this episode wasn't fun to record, just like this movie wasn't fun to watch.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: But Jesus if it didn't get a four out of five.
• 1:01:31
  unknown: Right.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, hey, there you go, everyone.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: I hate it.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, thanks everybody.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: We hate it.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Ryan Barron North.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_00: With me as always, James Crosslin, Luke, uh fellas, it's a pleasure as always.
• 1:01:44
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• 1:01:55
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• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, alright, I'm out.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.