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Teen freshman at posh all girls college stabbed dead, Perp released? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: What happened to this teen girl from Virginia? Her parents
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Speaker 1: worked like dogs to send her to Barnard and she's dead.
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Speaker 1: What she is? A teen girl that goes away to
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Speaker 1: try to give her opportunities in life that maybe her
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Speaker 1: family didn't have, and now she's dead, minding her own
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Speaker 1: business the world before her, A freshman from Virginia goes
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Speaker 1: to Bernard. I want justice. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Police say the eighteen year old was stabbed repeatedly on
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Speaker 1: the stairs behind us in a morningside park. We saw
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Speaker 1: a line of evidence blockers as this victim apparently made
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Speaker 1: her way up the steps to try to get to
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Speaker 1: the security booth for help, but by the time a
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Speaker 1: security guard found her, it was too late. Police. The
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Speaker 1: majors collapsed at this college security booth after the attack,
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Speaker 1: but the guard was out making rows by the time
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Speaker 1: security returned and called nine one, it was too late.
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Speaker 1: What happened to this ten girl from Virginia? I mean it?
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Speaker 1: See Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us, with me an all star panel to break
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Speaker 1: it down and put it back together again. Ashley Wilcot,
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Speaker 1: judge and trial lawyer, Anchor Court TV. She's at Ashley
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Speaker 1: Wilcott dot com. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD
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Speaker 1: twenty two years, homicide author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer Gary
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Speaker 1: Jane Grant Well, I haven't forgotten him. You can find
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Speaker 1: at Cloyd Steiger dot com. Renowned psychoanalyst joining me out
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Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. Doctor Bethany Marshall at doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: dot com, South Carolina medical examiner and author of homicide
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Speaker 1: investigation Field Guy, Doctor Michelle Dupre right now to investigate.
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Speaker 1: A reporter with Radar Online dot com. Alexis terrest Alexis,
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Speaker 1: you have baby Max, I have the twins. It's gonna
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Speaker 1: be over my cold dead body that something happens to them.
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Speaker 1: These parents were their whole life thinking they're helping their
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Speaker 1: little girl, Tessa Majors by sending her to Bernard and
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Speaker 1: this I just can't take it in. Alexis, what happened?
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Speaker 1: You know what? Let me get calmed down. Let me
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Speaker 1: just start with the timeline where every good prosecution starts.
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Speaker 1: What happened. It was about five thirty at night. Tessa,
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Speaker 1: who was just eighteen, so it's December. She started college
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Speaker 1: in August. She moved to New York City in August.
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Speaker 1: She has been there just a few months, getting ready
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Speaker 1: to start finals in her freshman year. Okay, sorry, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, doctor Bethany Marshal nay shrink, I really do.
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Speaker 1: I just when I went to school, you know my
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Speaker 1: sleeping bag do uses a bed cover, and getting my
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Speaker 1: trunk in my dorm and I remember my parents driving
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Speaker 1: off and I was on my own. But we never
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Speaker 1: thought something like this could happen. Those parents must just
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Speaker 1: be I don't think I could get up off the bed,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Nancy. It's hard enough to let your child
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Speaker 1: go to college. To buy the comforters, buy the pillows,
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Speaker 1: get them all set up in their dorm room, get
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Speaker 1: a poster board so they can put up notes and
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Speaker 1: teach them what a syllabus is. I mean that separation
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Speaker 1: is difficult enough, because when you send your child to school,
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Speaker 1: that's the beginning of a whole new phase of their life.
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Speaker 1: But not only that, it's full of hopes and dreams
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Speaker 1: that they're going to get a degree, that they're going
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Speaker 1: to make friends, they're going to develop and blossom as
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Speaker 1: an individual. You are literally sending them off to the
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Speaker 1: next most beautiful, wonderful phase of their life, and then
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Speaker 1: to have it cut short. And not only that you've
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Speaker 1: entrusted your child to a college, to a community, and
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Speaker 1: to know that there are perpetrators in that community, and
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Speaker 1: that your child's life has been cut short, not only
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Speaker 1: cut short, but in such a broom what these parents
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Speaker 1: are going through. And these are very sophisticated parents. You know.
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Speaker 1: The dad is a professor and a novelist, has written
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Speaker 1: many novels. This is not a shabby family. This family
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Speaker 1: is high class, loving and they lost their shining jewel.
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you something else? Can I tell you
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Speaker 1: something else? I mean, I was projecting because when I
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Speaker 1: went away to college, I let my brother and sister.
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Speaker 1: Neither of my parents finished college, and my mom never
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Speaker 1: even got to go. But my dad went briefly in accounting,
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Speaker 1: and when the three of us came, he just could
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Speaker 1: not work full time for the railroad and finish college.
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Speaker 1: So it's basically us or him, and he picked us.
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Speaker 1: Do you know, Alexis Torschuk, that tuition, just tuition, is
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Speaker 1: fifty thousand, three ninety four just tuition. Okay, Alexis Terresta,
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Speaker 1: I mean, but you'd think for that amount of money
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Speaker 1: your child would be safe. I'm just putting that out there.
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Speaker 1: Back to the timeline, sorry, Alexis. So, she goes over
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Speaker 1: to the park, Morningside Park. It is about five thirty
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Speaker 1: at night, so it is dark, but it is not late.
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Speaker 1: And every other student that has spoken out since this
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Speaker 1: happened said we would have done the same thing. This
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Speaker 1: was not the middle of the night. Between five thirty
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Speaker 1: and seven pm at night, she goes to the park.
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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, group of males approaches her. The
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Speaker 1: police have said what happened is they tried to rob her.
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Speaker 1: They tried to take her money, They tried to take
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Speaker 1: her phone, They try to take her purse. She resisted.
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Speaker 1: What the police have then said is that one of
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Speaker 1: the males grabbed her, put her in a chokehold. She
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Speaker 1: fought back. The police said she actually bit one of
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Speaker 1: the men on his finger. Then she wouldn't give her
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Speaker 1: stuff up. The three they're saying, they haven't quite identified.
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Speaker 1: They say three, but there may be more. There may
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Speaker 1: be less males. One of them then took a knife
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Speaker 1: and stabbed her. They sliced her chin and they stabbed
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Speaker 1: her under the arm, and you might think under the arm, Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what this knife did. It went in and
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Speaker 1: it pierced her heart. Oh no, oh no oh, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Michelle Dupres, South Carolina Medical Examiner, So explain to me
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Speaker 1: how you get stabbed under the arm and it goes
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Speaker 1: into your heart. Well, Nancy, obviously, is the angle that
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Speaker 1: the knife goes in, and it also depends on the depth.
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Speaker 1: One of the problems was something like this is it
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Speaker 1: doesn't have to go in very far. Your heart is
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Speaker 1: enclosed in a sack if you will, and once the
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Speaker 1: heart is actually pere the blood can fill up into
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Speaker 1: that heart. And even your heart isn't that badly damage
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Speaker 1: Because there's so much blood in there and it's closed,
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Speaker 1: it won't allow your heart to pump and you will
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Speaker 1: die because of that. I bet that's what happened. Oh
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Speaker 1: my stars, poor little Tessa dying there alone. Of course,
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Speaker 1: her pups run away and leave her. Climb stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Tessa Major is just eighteen years old, murdered
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Speaker 1: at the park Wednesday night during exams week. She was
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Speaker 1: just a freshman at Barnard in her first semester. It's
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Speaker 1: really painful all through that park on my way home
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Speaker 1: every day. Police believe a group attacked Tessa on the
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Speaker 1: park steps Wednesday night, stabbing her multiple times. She was
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Speaker 1: discovered by a security guard and died soon after. Today
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Speaker 1: police spent the morning in the park pond looking for evidence.
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Speaker 1: Police flyers are all over asking for information the murder,
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Speaker 1: spreading shock and fear, not just to students, but to
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood. I can't imagine the lost to the family.
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Speaker 1: That's something would also happen so close to so much protection.
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Speaker 1: Is also just unnerving. So I think mostly just really
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Speaker 1: touched us. Deepely, just this person in this one. She
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Speaker 1: had her whole life ahead of her. Tessa's family, in
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Speaker 1: a statement, said in part, we are devastated by the
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Speaker 1: senseless laws of our beautiful and talented tests. We are
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Speaker 1: thankful for the incredible outpouring of love and support we
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Speaker 1: have received from across the country. Police here at the
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Speaker 1: park adding patrols as there are plans already in the
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Speaker 1: works for adding more lighting here as well. You were
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Speaker 1: hearing our friends there at Knees four in New York.
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Speaker 1: That was Ray later talking why don't they always add
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Speaker 1: lights and patrol people after somebody is murdered. I mean,
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Speaker 1: no offense to you. Kloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle, PG.
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Speaker 1: Twenty two years homicide. But this is around colleges, around
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Speaker 1: colleges like NYU where I went. Then you've got this
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Speaker 1: posh All Girls college. Why are they adding lights and patrols?
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Speaker 1: Now that's a day light in the dollars short. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know that's always the case with these things. You know,
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Speaker 1: the close of the barn door after the horses out.
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Speaker 1: These strategies just happened. You know, you have these groups
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Speaker 1: of young men who get together and form like a
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Speaker 1: wolf pack mentality and victimized people. Apparently it's it's alleged
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Speaker 1: these people have done similar things before, obviously not rising
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Speaker 1: to the level of murder. But it was just a
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Speaker 1: recipe for disaster that's been adding up. And again you
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Speaker 1: of a dark area, Floyd, You know what you just
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Speaker 1: reminded me of a triple homicide I prosecuted, and I
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Speaker 1: had seen it before, but not to that degree. For
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Speaker 1: a long time, it was called wilding where a pack
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Speaker 1: of usually young teens getting and I used to say
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Speaker 1: all the time, actually we'll call it your perfect for
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Speaker 1: this question, judge, try along your anchor Court TV. Actually,
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Speaker 1: I would always say sometimes I'm more concerned or afraid
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Speaker 1: of juvenile purpose because they have not developed any real
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Speaker 1: conscience yet. They don't get the gravity of their actions.
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Speaker 1: And I remember that triple homicide I had, and there
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Speaker 1: was a gang of teens altogether and they went berserk.
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Speaker 1: And in that case, Ashley, I remember one crime scene
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Speaker 1: photo and I saw it myself at the crime scene
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Speaker 1: at about four o'clock in the morning. Blood was literally
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Speaker 1: running down a gutter, literally running down a gutter. There
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Speaker 1: was so much blood. And one of the victims had
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Speaker 1: tried to get away and tried to jump over a
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Speaker 1: fence and they shot him and he just hung on
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Speaker 1: that chain link fence and his blood dripped down in
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Speaker 1: a gutter and or so much it started running down
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Speaker 1: the gutter. And it was a pack of juveniles that
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Speaker 1: together the group dynamic goes haywire. Yeah, I agree with you, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: So part of what it's called when we call it
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Speaker 1: in a positive environment like at school, when a kid
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Speaker 1: does something kind of dumber that they shouldn't do, it's
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Speaker 1: more called peer pressure. The problem is when it starts
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Speaker 1: to become criminal, their executive functioning has not fully developed,
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Speaker 1: and so you're right. They don't have the rational thought.
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Speaker 1: They don't have the consciousness to say, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: this is against the law, or if I do this,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to end up arresting, or morally this is wrong,
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Speaker 1: because so all of those things aren't developed to get
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Speaker 1: that with a peer pressure and along with one bad
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Speaker 1: apple who's saying, so let's go do this or rob
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Speaker 1: this person or commit this crime. Yes, the rest can
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Speaker 1: fall into it. And I know you want and doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethanie Marshall, but I want you to hear this. Nine
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Speaker 1: one one calls thirteen year old suspect of pid in
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Speaker 1: cult today on The detective who interviewed him shared this story.
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Speaker 1: He says they came to this park to rob someone,
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Speaker 1: following a man inside, but the suspect says he watched
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Speaker 1: his two friends stab and choke Tessa Majors did a
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Speaker 1: female white sad at this time the rest of us.
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Speaker 1: Shortly after Tessa Majors was stabbed to death during a
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Speaker 1: struggle on v stays, police had their sights on potential suspects.
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Speaker 1: Eyewitnesses seeing individuals fleeing the park look up for one
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Speaker 1: male wearing a green jacket unknown raised face was cover
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Speaker 1: that mail was brought in for questioning Thursday when police
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Speaker 1: recognized his clothing. He had a knife with him at
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Speaker 1: the time of his arrest. The thirteen year old, who
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Speaker 1: is being charged as a juvenile, was questioned by police
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Speaker 1: in the presence of his uncle. CBS News has learned
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Speaker 1: he confessed to the robbery and said he was involved
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Speaker 1: in the murder, implicating two others in the crime, one
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Speaker 1: brought in for questioning, the other still at large. Man,
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Speaker 1: I just felt like I was drinking from the fire, HIJA.
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Speaker 1: With all that knowledge, I got a lot of leads
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Speaker 1: to go on that. CBS News reporter Errol Barnett, So,
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Speaker 1: Alexis terres chuck, I learned a lot. Number One, their
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Speaker 1: faces were covered. They knew they were doing something wrong.
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Speaker 1: They weren't just strolling through the park and whoops, one
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Speaker 1: of them suddenly whipped out a knife. Oh no, they
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Speaker 1: knew to cover their faces. Number Two, I've actually had
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Speaker 1: a defendant come into court and he was on bond.
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Speaker 1: Alexis should have known better. He came in wearing the
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Speaker 1: same red track suit that the eyewitness said the purp
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Speaker 1: did the murder. I'm like I'm so happy arrest him
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Speaker 1: right now in those clothes. I want those clothes. But
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Speaker 1: let's let them wear those clothes. The first day of
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Speaker 1: trial jackass. So naturally he got convicted. Here we go,
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Speaker 1: apparently this one wearing the same clothes he was wearing
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Speaker 1: at the time. Alexis what that is? What the police
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Speaker 1: have said. They said that the eyewitnesses had seen a
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Speaker 1: green jacket and that they found this young boy and
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Speaker 1: that he was still wearing the same jacket. So he
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Speaker 1: was arrested. Both his own and his aunt were with
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Speaker 1: him after the arrest. They were with him when he
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Speaker 1: spoke with police and then, according to police, he confessed
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Speaker 1: that he was part of Tessa's murder, but that he
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Speaker 1: claims he did not stabb of course, of course he
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Speaker 1: looked the other way at the time of the stabbing. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about a beautiful eighteen year old girl, Tessa Majors,
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Speaker 1: going to a very exclusive all girls school. Now we
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Speaker 1: are learning a thirteen year old suspect had chased and
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Speaker 1: attacked another young girl at a Delhi just days before
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Speaker 1: the murder. But let me focus on what has happened
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Speaker 1: to this girl, eighteen year old Tessa She was in
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Speaker 1: Manhattan's the Morningside Park, and we know that a group
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Speaker 1: of males came up to her started struggling with her,
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Speaker 1: trying to rob her, or so they say. For all
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Speaker 1: I know they were trying to rape her. Why should
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Speaker 1: I take their word for it? She fights, they stab
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Speaker 1: her and take off running slang. College student Tessa Majors
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Speaker 1: was there in Manhattan Park, very close to her school,
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Speaker 1: fatally stabbed by a group of teens suspected in another
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Speaker 1: botched robbery. And we're not just making this up. This
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Speaker 1: is from the head of the NYPD Sergeant's union, as
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Speaker 1: she Wilcot. According to the head of the police Sergeant's Union,
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Speaker 1: this same thirteen year old chased down a girl at
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Speaker 1: it Daily a few days before. If he had been arrested,
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Speaker 1: then Tessa would still be alive. Well, that's right. In
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Speaker 1: terms of this team's involvement, there were still other individuals involved,
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Speaker 1: So I don't know that it may not have happened.
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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say this, and this is a problem.
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Speaker 1: Whenever you have crimes committed, especially by juveniles, they're not
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Speaker 1: sometimes perceived as such a danger to society. And so
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Speaker 1: when juveniles are involved I unfortunately sometimes see that they're
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Speaker 1: not necessarily arrested as swiftly or in the alternative once
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Speaker 1: the rest that they get back out. The reality is,
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Speaker 1: when you have someone like this, with the intense that's
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Speaker 1: planning these things and planning robberies, you've got a danger
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Speaker 1: to society. Well again to doctor Bethany Marshall, Psycho Alan's
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Speaker 1: joining me out of Beverly Hills. Sorry, doctor Bethany, that
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Speaker 1: we don't have your usual litany of people aimlessly wandering
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Speaker 1: up and down Rodeo Drive, as they say, Rodeo out
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Speaker 1: there looking in shop windows. You know, I remember when
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Speaker 1: we lived out there for Dancing with the Stars. I
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Speaker 1: looked at through the window, Thank the Lord, I didn't
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Speaker 1: go in. There was a pair of eleven hundred dollars
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Speaker 1: tennis shoes that my son saw. I nearly faid they
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Speaker 1: were like gold Lama or something. I mean. Anyway, let's
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Speaker 1: get in reality, doctor Bethany Marshall. When teens, especially and
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Speaker 1: these really tweens, one of them thirteen years old, allegedly
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Speaker 1: are together, I don't know what takes over. These guys
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Speaker 1: are like packs of wolves. It's true, Nancy, It's like
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Speaker 1: the boys that attacked Piggy and Lord of the Flies.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember that novel? Anyway? Ashley Wilcott made the
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Speaker 1: comment about the prefrontal cortex or the executive functioning not
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Speaker 1: being intact. While that is true, even a six year
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Speaker 1: old knows not to hit another child and knows not
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Speaker 1: to steal, so they do know right from wrong. They
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Speaker 1: had planned this for some time. Shockingly, as the fourteen
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Speaker 1: year olds were starting to stab Tessa, the knife fell
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Speaker 1: and the thirteen year old picked it back up and
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Speaker 1: urged that that tells me. And we know about these
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Speaker 1: packs of boys is usually there's one ringleader who is
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Speaker 1: much more disturbed, much more sociopathic, who brings the other
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Speaker 1: boys along, eggs them on, and it's like they begin
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Speaker 1: to develop this obsessional belief as we see in gangs,
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Speaker 1: that if they kill or hurt or maim another person
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Speaker 1: that they will have some credibility with each other, and
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Speaker 1: there's an excitement that builds and builds. I had a
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old brought to my pack practice last week
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Speaker 1: that had the same mentality, and he was on Rodale Drive,
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Speaker 1: trolling up and down with a group of boys. They
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Speaker 1: picked on one young fourteen year old started beating him up. Fortunately,
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Speaker 1: a bystanders started filming it and then turned it into
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Speaker 1: the police. Pretty soon it went fire roll. It was
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Speaker 1: all over Facebook and the boys were convicted, So that
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Speaker 1: was good. So cameras, you know, our cell phone cameras
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Speaker 1: often play an important role in these things. Unfortunately, poor
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Speaker 1: Tessa Majors, this wonderful freshman college student was in a
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Speaker 1: park between five thirty and six at night, So who
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Speaker 1: knew there would be this wild pack of boys roaming around?
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy grace fully say, the eighteen year
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Speaker 1: old freshman at Barnard College was attacked by group just
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Speaker 1: minutes from camp as Wednesday night. As you walk through
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Speaker 1: the park. During the struggle, one of these individuals pulled
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Speaker 1: out a knife and stabbed our victim several times. She
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Speaker 1: was able to stagger her way up to the surface
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Speaker 1: side of Morningside Street, which she was observed by one
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Speaker 1: of the school security guards. He called nine one one.
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Speaker 1: New York City Leader's promise swift action. I am absolutely
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Speaker 1: confident that any individuals involved in this terrible, heinous attack
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Speaker 1: will be brought to justice. The brazen crime rattling nerves
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Speaker 1: among students. The Virginia native played in a band an
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Speaker 1: intern for the august of Free Press. To me, the
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Speaker 1: greatest tragedy here is that the world won't get to
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Speaker 1: see what she would have done. Through a podcast, we
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Speaker 1: get a glimpse of her enthusiasm about starting college the
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Speaker 1: all girl school. I'm really excited about that. A promising
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Speaker 1: life ending too soon as a family prepares to say goodbye.
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Speaker 1: I can hardly take that in. You were just hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at NBC today. That was Kathy Park and
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Speaker 1: also Chris Graham at Augusta Free Press. So many people
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Speaker 1: just stunned and numb at the murder of a teen girl.
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Speaker 1: Tessa Majors guys her brutal murder allegedly committed by tweens
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Speaker 1: thirteen and fourteen. But let me understand something, Alexis Tschuk,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Radar online dot Com. Is it true one
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Speaker 1: has been released? Yes, one. They have arrested one boy.
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Speaker 1: He is thirteen years old. They arrested another boy who
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Speaker 1: was fourteen years old, but the police decided that they
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Speaker 1: did not have enough to charge him with yet yet.
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Speaker 1: The thirteen year old who has confessed is still in jail,
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Speaker 1: and in fact, he's being held without bail. He cannot
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Speaker 1: bail out, and he has a court take coming up tomorrow. Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: can't he point out the other purpose he has? He
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Speaker 1: has absolutely told the police everything he knows. He's told
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Speaker 1: him everything. They've arrested one of the people that he
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Speaker 1: said was with him. They brought that child as fourteen
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Speaker 1: years old. But they let the fourteen year old go.
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Speaker 1: They said they didn't have enough to charge him and
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Speaker 1: they want to make sure they do, so they let
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Speaker 1: him go. And then there's a third person and they
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Speaker 1: have not found him and have not brought him anything. Well,
21:37
Speaker 1: I would advise agree or disagreed. Floyd's tiger. They go
21:40
Speaker 1: straight to his mother's house. Even grown men. The minute
21:42
Speaker 1: they bond out, they run home and hide into the
21:44
Speaker 1: bed at mommy's. I mean, all you got to do
21:46
Speaker 1: is sit at their front porch and wait for him
21:48
Speaker 1: to show up. Floyd. Yeah, I'm sure that's right. And
21:51
Speaker 1: I think the problem with holding the other kid, and
21:54
Speaker 1: I'm sure Ashley will confirm this, is that you can't
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Speaker 1: charge somebody based only the court offended statement, So they
22:02
Speaker 1: have to have corroborating evidence, probably waiting for some lab tests,
22:05
Speaker 1: which hopefully the will expedite to get this done. But yeah,
22:09
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm glad you brought that up Cloyd
22:12
Speaker 1: to doctor Michelle Dupree. They had to get that information
22:15
Speaker 1: that she bit one of the perps from somebody. She's
22:18
Speaker 1: got to have some DNA on her teeth. That must
22:20
Speaker 1: be really hard to get DNA off your teeth, because
22:24
Speaker 1: doesn't your saliva destroy the DNA. No, Nancy, it won't
22:28
Speaker 1: be that difficult to get it off the teat Actually,
22:31
Speaker 1: they'll find her DNA, of course, as you would expect.
22:34
Speaker 1: But when they find for DNA, they can match it
22:36
Speaker 1: to Here, guys, we were talking about the death of
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Speaker 1: a beautiful team girl who has just gone away to college.
22:45
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at ABC News. This
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Speaker 1: is Ariel Rochef tonight. A thirteen year old suspect arrested
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Speaker 1: in the chilling murder of Barnard College freshman TESTA Majors.
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Speaker 1: It is an absolute tragedy. Those responsible, however, kny that
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Speaker 1: may be, We'll be brought to justice. Police say the
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Speaker 1: teen is not the killer, but was found with the
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Speaker 1: murder weapon, a knife, and made comments linking him to
23:09
Speaker 1: the grizzly crime. He's now charged with murder, robbery, and
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Speaker 1: weapons possession. His statements to detectives also implicating two additional suspects,
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Speaker 1: one of them a fourteen year old interviewed by police,
23:22
Speaker 1: the other still at large. There's going to be an
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Speaker 1: eight female white set at this time majors walking through
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Speaker 1: the park just a block from her school early Wednesday evening,
23:32
Speaker 1: when authorities say a group of suspects demanded money before
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Speaker 1: fatally stabbing the eighteen year old student multiple times. Police
23:43
Speaker 1: now say the thirteen year old suspect in custody was
23:46
Speaker 1: seen on grainy surveillance video from the park. Ah, so
23:49
Speaker 1: we have surveillance video as well as she Wilcott. I mean,
23:54
Speaker 1: in my mind, that's a prosecutor's dream, it is. And
23:59
Speaker 1: the question I have did that surveillance video only have
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Speaker 1: the thirteen year olds on it who's been arrested and confessed,
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Speaker 1: or rather, did it have the other two individuals, one
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Speaker 1: of whom has been Let's go, because I do agree, yes,
24:13
Speaker 1: there needs to be collaborating evidence, but that would certainly
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Speaker 1: do it. Thank goodness for surveillance, say the nancy will
24:20
Speaker 1: have the chance. I have to say, here's what really
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Speaker 1: disturbs me as a juvenile Court judge. These three individuals
24:28
Speaker 1: did not Lord of applies all the sudden, say let's
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Speaker 1: commit a robbery and end up stabbing and killing an
24:35
Speaker 1: innocent victim. But rather, hey, let's plan robberies. Get involved
24:40
Speaker 1: in robberies. It was very planned, sayer, it's it's it's premeditated.
24:45
Speaker 1: It's not. And it was a random victim. It could
24:49
Speaker 1: have been you, it could have been me, It could
24:51
Speaker 1: have been our children, it could have been anyone, says.
24:54
Speaker 1: That adds to the heinousness of the crime for me
25:00
Speaker 1: is that this thirteen year old pointing out friends, pointing
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Speaker 1: out friends that he says was with him at the
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Speaker 1: time they ganged up on this team girl and murdered her.
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Speaker 1: That they went to the park with the intent of robbing.
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Speaker 1: And whether you think they were in a frenzy or
25:23
Speaker 1: they were out of their minds, let me tell you something.
25:27
Speaker 1: That's called a felony murder. When you are in the
25:31
Speaker 1: commission of a felony. Say, let's just say jack and
25:34
Speaker 1: I decided to rob a bank. It's Jackie's idea, of course,
25:37
Speaker 1: so we go in. I say, Jackie, no weapons, just
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Speaker 1: get the money and leave. Can you do that? She says,
25:43
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I get in there, I get a bag
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Speaker 1: full of money, and what does she do whip out
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Speaker 1: a glock and unload. She kills somebody. Guess what. I'm
25:54
Speaker 1: going to jail for felony murder. Thanks Jackie, you couldn't
25:59
Speaker 1: just be happy with money because a death occurred in
26:04
Speaker 1: the commission of a felony. Take a listen to what
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Speaker 1: we know frame NBC Today. This is Kathy Parker about
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Speaker 1: what the thirteen year old perp said. New details in
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Speaker 1: the fatal stabbing of New York college student Tessa Majors
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Speaker 1: our New York station WNBC reporting that in a court
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Speaker 1: hearing on Friday, New York City Police detectives testified that
26:28
Speaker 1: the thirteen year old suspect told them he watched his
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Speaker 1: two friends grabbed Tessa Majors in Morningside Park, put her
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Speaker 1: in a chokehold, and remove items from her pockets. Then
26:38
Speaker 1: the boy told detectives he watched as his friends slashed
26:42
Speaker 1: the young woman with a knife and saw feathers from
26:44
Speaker 1: the stuffing of her coat come flying out. The thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old is charged as a juvenile with second degree murder, robbery,
26:53
Speaker 1: and a weapon's charge due to his age. NBC News
26:56
Speaker 1: is not naming the suspect. Officials also questioning a fourteen
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Speaker 1: year old in connection with the killing. Guys, we are
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Speaker 1: bringing the latest in the murder of a teen girl
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Speaker 1: Barnard College student dead at the hands of a pack
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Speaker 1: of wolves twins out of Control crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: The thirteen year old suspect has been charged with second
27:37
Speaker 1: degree murder. The NYPD says they were canvassing an area
27:40
Speaker 1: near the crime scene when they saw this suspect wearing
27:43
Speaker 1: clothing similar to that of suspects from the park. Now,
27:46
Speaker 1: this team had possession of a knife and admitted two
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Speaker 1: detectives that he and two friends robbed Tessa Majors and
27:53
Speaker 1: stabbed her. I think if this is just kind of
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Speaker 1: a shock. Barnard College students were emotional Thursday after news
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Speaker 1: emerged their classmate, freshman Tessa Majors, had been killed in
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Speaker 1: a park near campus. It could have been anyone, and
28:07
Speaker 1: it's just so unfortunate that it happened to someone who
28:11
Speaker 1: was so young. Just before seven pm Wednesday, police say
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Speaker 1: Major's was stabbed several times by one to three people
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Speaker 1: after a struggle in the park. She staggered up the
28:21
Speaker 1: steps into the street, where a school security guard eventually
28:24
Speaker 1: saw her and called nine one one. She later died
28:27
Speaker 1: at the hospital. You're hearing our friends at CBS News.
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Speaker 1: That was Errol Barnett. It's my understanding to Alexis terrest
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Speaker 1: so I can investigative report or Radar online dot com
28:36
Speaker 1: that she managed to crawl to a security station, but
28:39
Speaker 1: of course nobody was there and she died. Is that right, Alexis?
28:45
Speaker 1: So she did. She crawled up the stairs and if
28:48
Speaker 1: you know the area, it's super steep, the stone stairs.
28:51
Speaker 1: I mean they are at least fifty of them, I
28:52
Speaker 1: would say, and she called all the way to top. Now,
28:55
Speaker 1: the original report was that there was not a guard there.
28:57
Speaker 1: The guard was out on rounds and came back about
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes later and founder, but the police have said
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Speaker 1: that the guard was there at the time when she
29:04
Speaker 1: crawled to the top of the steps, called nine one
29:06
Speaker 1: one immediately and then she was taken to the hospital
29:09
Speaker 1: where she died at the hospital. To Ashley will Caught judge,
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer or anchor at Court TV, and you can
29:15
Speaker 1: find her at Ashwillcott dot com. Her murder we believe
29:20
Speaker 1: was committed by tweens thirteen and fourteen years old. I
29:25
Speaker 1: believe they will be charged as adults. What do you say, Ashley? Oh,
29:29
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. So you know, the seven
29:31
Speaker 1: deadly sins so to speak, and the murder, agassault, rape
29:36
Speaker 1: with intend to kill, those things are all when juveniles
29:39
Speaker 1: can be charged as adults and are charged as adults,
29:44
Speaker 1: And so I would expect that to happen in this case,
29:48
Speaker 1: given the fact it was a felony murder as you stated,
29:52
Speaker 1: they had the intent to rob and then killed this
29:54
Speaker 1: young woman and to Chloyd Stike or Seattle PD homicide
29:58
Speaker 1: detective and author seattles for serial killer Gary Jane Grant.
30:03
Speaker 1: Now that one twain is in custody, I would expect
30:07
Speaker 1: the case fall like dominoes. How close do you believe
30:10
Speaker 1: police are to catching Tessa's other two killers? Oh? I
30:13
Speaker 1: believe they're very close. And you're right, that's that's the
30:15
Speaker 1: whole thing. Once that first domino falls, they just fall
30:18
Speaker 1: into place. This Uh, they probably know who both the
30:22
Speaker 1: other two are. They just are waiting to get their
30:25
Speaker 1: evidence lined up. And you know, I actually my first
30:27
Speaker 1: order I ever investigated in my life back in nineteen
30:29
Speaker 1: ninety four, kids about this age, and they were all
30:31
Speaker 1: tried as adults. And it's just that again that wolf
30:34
Speaker 1: pack mentality. The kid that they have in custody. When
30:37
Speaker 1: he chased that girl into the little store a week before,
30:41
Speaker 1: he didn't just chase her and she was on the
30:42
Speaker 1: floor and he was kicking her on the floor. That
30:45
Speaker 1: shows a total lack of empathy and what we're dealing with.
30:47
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Cloyd Steiger, tell me that again about
30:50
Speaker 1: him kicking the little girl while she's on the floor.
30:53
Speaker 1: What of a deli? Oh, I don't know how it
30:55
Speaker 1: was not. It was a young woman, not a little girl.
30:56
Speaker 1: But he had chased somebody into that delay to rob her.
31:00
Speaker 1: And the reports I read this that the girl was
31:02
Speaker 1: on the floor and the scene thirteen year old was
31:05
Speaker 1: kicking her while she was laying on the floor and
31:07
Speaker 1: then fled before police got there. Doctor Bethany Marshall helped me.
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Speaker 1: How does a thirteen year old? How are they that cruel?
31:17
Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you the thirteen year old and
31:19
Speaker 1: I'm not proud, but I'm also not embarrassed of prosecuting
31:22
Speaker 1: one of the youngest murderers in the state of Georgia.
31:26
Speaker 1: He was thirteen, broke into a pawn shop with two
31:31
Speaker 1: others and gun and everybody down for a handful of
31:35
Speaker 1: gold chains, dope ropes left. Oh how many dead? One
31:39
Speaker 1: or two dead and one forever in a wheelchair with
31:42
Speaker 1: a colostomy back. All right, what can you do with that?
31:45
Speaker 1: Beside prosecuted for murder? I mean that there's no other alternative.
31:49
Speaker 1: How are people so evil? It's I know what, I
31:54
Speaker 1: don't know that they are evil, doctor Bethany. Maybe they
31:56
Speaker 1: just don't feel anything. Maybe they're like a wolf. It
31:58
Speaker 1: will rip your throat out, doesn't realize it did anything
32:01
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, when you work with juveniles, you
32:04
Speaker 1: begin to realize how complex these cases are. There's often
32:08
Speaker 1: lack of parental supervision, abuse in the home, perhaps the
32:12
Speaker 1: beginnings of a sociopathic personality, disorder, bipolar disorder. All kinds
32:17
Speaker 1: of things can be going on in this child's life,
32:19
Speaker 1: and we have no idea what those factors are for sure.
32:23
Speaker 1: One of the things that stands out is that when
32:25
Speaker 1: he was brought into the police for questioning, he was
32:28
Speaker 1: accompanied by an aunt and uncle. And that makes me
32:31
Speaker 1: wonder why an aunt and uncle? Why no parents? Does
32:34
Speaker 1: he not have parents? Is there no parental supervision. Certainly
32:38
Speaker 1: the two boys he potentially romanced, seduced or obsessionally coerced
32:44
Speaker 1: into committing the crime with him, We're well aware that
32:47
Speaker 1: this was about to happen. So those two boys as well,
32:50
Speaker 1: what was happening with them? They had plenty of opportunity
32:54
Speaker 1: to tell their parents to go to the police. So
32:56
Speaker 1: is there no parental supervision there? I aer on the
32:59
Speaker 1: side this thirteen year old that this was the beginnings
33:02
Speaker 1: of a sociopathic personality disorder, that it was a very
33:05
Speaker 1: complex picture, that perhaps some bipolar or some psychiatric illness
33:11
Speaker 1: that causes enormous bursts of energy. And also even though
33:15
Speaker 1: he's thirteen years old, we cannot rule out drug abuse.
33:18
Speaker 1: I have an adult patient in my practice who's a
33:21
Speaker 1: multi millionaire plumber, owns a plumbing business. He was in
33:25
Speaker 1: federal prison for seven years, the gang banger. He told me,
33:28
Speaker 1: he broke into people's houses, threatened to kill a police officer,
33:33
Speaker 1: hit old ladies over the head, grabbed their purses. He
33:35
Speaker 1: was on PCP all throughout his adolescence. He is now
33:39
Speaker 1: super Christian, has four kids, goes to Catholic church every Sunday,
33:43
Speaker 1: is afraid to go into a bathroom by himself because
33:45
Speaker 1: he's afraid that he'll be framed for something he did
33:47
Speaker 1: not do. So you can be the worst of the
33:49
Speaker 1: worst and also redeem yourself. That's how complex these situations are, Bethany.
33:54
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't understand me. I'm all for forgiveness and redemption.
33:59
Speaker 1: While you are in jail. You can be forgiven. You
34:03
Speaker 1: can redeem yourself and start all over while you are
34:08
Speaker 1: in jail. And we already know that these This one
34:11
Speaker 1: juvenal is charged with felony second degree murder because that's
34:16
Speaker 1: felony murder, robbery, possession of a weapon, Alexa's terrestia. Why
34:20
Speaker 1: are they dredging a pond? Are they trying to find
34:21
Speaker 1: the murder weapon? They are? They have said that they
34:24
Speaker 1: were not sure that the knife there was. I believe
34:26
Speaker 1: a knife found at the scene, and that the boy
34:28
Speaker 1: had a knife, but they are not sure that either
34:30
Speaker 1: of those knives were connected to the actual that was
34:33
Speaker 1: the one that actually stabbed her. So yes, they are
34:35
Speaker 1: trying to find the murder weapon. And may I ask
34:37
Speaker 1: why are people saying that she was in the park
34:41
Speaker 1: trying to buy pot. Who's saying that the thirteen year
34:44
Speaker 1: old trying to make the murder victim look bad Alexis.
34:47
Speaker 1: It's actually the head of the Sergeant's Benevolent Association, which
34:51
Speaker 1: is the police union. And he went on a radio show,
34:56
Speaker 1: not even like a press conference, just went on a
34:58
Speaker 1: radio show and said this his rant about trying to
35:02
Speaker 1: say that the marijuana legalization laws are wrong and if
35:06
Speaker 1: the laws had were stronger, then she would have been
35:10
Speaker 1: afraid to have tried to go buy pot. And it
35:12
Speaker 1: was really just victim shaming, and it's really just a
35:15
Speaker 1: reprehensible state. Well, another thing, whose word are they taking
35:17
Speaker 1: for that? The thirteen year old killers? I mean? And
35:21
Speaker 1: another thing, there's a theory that it could help or
35:25
Speaker 1: hurt the investigation, Cloyd stigger to drag the victim through
35:27
Speaker 1: the mud, claiming she was buying pot. I don't think
35:30
Speaker 1: it would help or her. I actually I don't know
35:32
Speaker 1: that I even believe it. And even if it is true,
35:35
Speaker 1: I don't care. She is a teen girl murder, Cloyd,
35:38
Speaker 1: How could it help or hurt the investigation? Here? Exactly right,
35:40
Speaker 1: It has no bearing either way. You know, it doesn't matter.
35:43
Speaker 1: It didn't matter if she was going to buy heroin.
35:45
Speaker 1: She still didn't deserve to get murdered, right, So that
35:48
Speaker 1: is really a mood point, and I don't see any
35:51
Speaker 1: value one way or the other. We wait as justice unfalls.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crimes story, signing off Goodbye friend,