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Mom Fakes Terminal Cancer for YEARS, Scams OVER 100 GRAND · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a beautiful young woman suffering, suffering,
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  Speaker 1: horribly suffering with cancer.
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  Speaker 2: We watch from her blog as she.
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  Speaker 1: Goes completely bald and becomes weaker and weaker and weaker,
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  Speaker 1: fighting the deadly disease.
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  Speaker 2: Or was she?
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us here at vaccination in Sirius xem one eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Who is Amanda?
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  Speaker 2: Listen?
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  Speaker 3: Amanda's blogs weren't just filled with words. There were hundreds
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  Speaker 3: of heart wrenching and wore intimate pictures detailing her journey
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  Speaker 3: from copious vials of blood take and for testing, to
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  Speaker 3: step by step photos of a hair falling out.
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  Speaker 4: Amanda Riley A M A N D A R I
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  Speaker 4: L E Y.
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  Speaker 5: I work on the campaign for lu cumulan Phoma Society,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm also a Stage four refractory blood cancer patient.
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  Speaker 3: Amanda, then twenty seven, had just given birth to her
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  Speaker 3: first child. Amanda's blog posts are read by actor Kendall Horn.
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  Speaker 6: Before I was pregnant, they diagnosed me with lupus. The
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  Speaker 6: diagnosed has stuck for quite a while. After Carter, our
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  Speaker 6: son was born, my blood counts dropped so dramatically that
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  Speaker 6: it threw another flag.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to imagine what it's like for Amanda, the
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  Speaker 3: joy of becoming a mother rudely interrupted by some heart
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  Speaker 3: wrenching news her life will never be the same again.
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  Speaker 6: After a vat of tests, I was diagnosed with hodgkinslim Filmer.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me an ostar panel to make sense of what
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  Speaker 1: we know right now this young woman, a brand new mom,
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  Speaker 1: now diagnosed with Hodgkins lymphoma.
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  Speaker 2: Literally tens of thousands.
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  Speaker 1: Of people around the world were spill bound, drawn to
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  Speaker 1: amanda story, seemingly.
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  Speaker 2: Like no other, as she battles Hodgkins. Listen.
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  Speaker 3: A brand new blog popped up on a website called
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  Speaker 3: blog spot. The homepage heading was simple, my story, Our journey.
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  Speaker 3: A post appeared, what the heck is Hodgkins Lympoma?
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  Speaker 6: My goal with this blog is to not only keep
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  Speaker 6: friends and family in the loop, but serve as a
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  Speaker 6: resource to all those newly diagnosed. Doctors don't provide great
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  Speaker 6: detailed information, and the Internet is not your friend when
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  Speaker 6: you're diagnosed with the disease. I have Hodgkins lymphoma, and
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  Speaker 6: it's been quite the journey to figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: The author c Riley so you're hearing more and more
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  Speaker 1: about her and about her horrible battle with Hodgkin's lymphoma.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing the voice of Charlie Webster, who is joining
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  Speaker 1: us right now. But first I'm going to go to
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  Speaker 1: a special guest joining me, Karen Stark, renowned psychologist out
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  Speaker 1: of Manhattan. You can find her at Karenstark dot com.
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  Speaker 1: That's Karen with a Sea, but also cancer survivor, Karen.
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  Speaker 1: If you could just try, and I've never asked you this,
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  Speaker 1: to summarize your battle, what you went through battling cancer,
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  Speaker 1: the ups and the downs and the heartbreaks and the
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  Speaker 1: seemingly never ending battle that you have suffered and fought
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  Speaker 1: so valiantly.
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  Speaker 2: What was it like, Nancy.
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  Speaker 7: It's so hard to describe because I think about you,
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  Speaker 7: you just don't imagine it happening. And I think for everybody,
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  Speaker 7: the idea of cancer without having a cure really is
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  Speaker 7: the most frightening thing. And then you find out that
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  Speaker 7: this is happening to you and it just seems surreal.
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  Speaker 7: You go through, you take drugs, whatever you need to do,
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  Speaker 7: and for me personally, five years later, I discovered that
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  Speaker 7: the cancer had returned and it was worse, and then
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  Speaker 7: I needed to go through chemotherapy. And you're dealing with
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  Speaker 7: your mortality. You know the fact that you love life.
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  Speaker 7: You don't want to be sick, you want to be
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  Speaker 7: healthy and have a good quality And it is the
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  Speaker 7: most frightening, overwhelming situation to be in. At least it
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  Speaker 7: was in my life as I battle this disease.
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  Speaker 1: As tens of thousands tune in to Amanda's blogs for
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  Speaker 1: every development, suddenly they go cold.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 6: I was invited to attend the Look Good, Feel Better
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  Speaker 6: Seminar by the American Cancer Society.
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  Speaker 5: It was so cool.
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  Speaker 6: I was among other women undergoing chemo. Best part, we
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  Speaker 6: got a huge goodieback of makeup Chanelle Avon, Bobby Brown,
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  Speaker 6: Clinique mac sde Later, scarves, hats, and two wigs. I
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  Speaker 6: got a natural brown wig. But I will also be
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  Speaker 6: a Irocan platinum bland. Why because I can? And then
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  Speaker 6: she stopped.
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  Speaker 3: After posting regular updates about her cancer journey, the blog
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  Speaker 3: goes dark. Six months go by with no posts, no pictures, nothing,
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  Speaker 3: not a word, until out of nowhere, a brand new
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  Speaker 3: post appears alongside photos of Amanda and her family celebrating
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  Speaker 3: in party hats, with some amazing news.
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  Speaker 5: Screw you cancer, I win twelve months of testing, eight
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  Speaker 5: months of chemotherapy, and today is my day of bliss.
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  Speaker 2: We won, but tragically there was a relapse. Listen.
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  Speaker 3: Stephanie was extremely well connected in the country music business.
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  Speaker 3: She actually knew Leanne Rhymes as steel player, and she
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  Speaker 3: contacted about getting Amanda backstage to meet Leanne.
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  Speaker 6: Now, Leanne Rhymes has joined Tima Amanda. Stephanie surprised me
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  Speaker 6: by taking both Corey and I to the concert. We
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  Speaker 6: got to meet her. I was pretty starstruck, but tried
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  Speaker 6: to keep my cool. She was so nice and down
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  Speaker 6: to earth. Afterwards we got to watch her perform with
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  Speaker 6: the symphony. It was beautiful and pure magic. I think
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  Speaker 6: my jaw was on the floor most of the night.
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  Speaker 6: After the concert, her wonderful steel player escorted us to
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  Speaker 6: her dressing room, where she so kindly as signed.
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  Speaker 1: But then out of the blue, there seems to be
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  Speaker 1: a bump in the road, a fly in the ointment.
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  Speaker 2: So to speak. Listen to our cut seven Charlie Webster.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe a couple years into her blog, it was removed
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  Speaker 8: for a time. She kind of removed herself for a time.
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  Speaker 4: The blog would be up for a long time, and
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  Speaker 4: then she would shut it down, and then she would
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  Speaker 4: open up the blog again with the new post, and
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  Speaker 4: then she would shut it down like nobody could see it.
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  Speaker 8: And what I had heard happened is that she was
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  Speaker 8: being sued for faking cancer.
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  Speaker 3: Lindsay Wilder Amanda's friend from church.
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  Speaker 8: But it was a whole mix up because there was
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  Speaker 8: someone else named Amanda Riley who died from cancer.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, in my world, there is no coincidence. But could
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  Speaker 1: it pop possibly be that there are two beautiful young
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  Speaker 1: women named Amanda Riley that are both battling deadly cancer.
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  Speaker 2: That's quite a coincidence. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned that you were hearing the voice of Charlie Webster,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't mention that Charlie is the host of
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  Speaker 1: Scamanda scam Anda Scamanda.
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  Speaker 2: Time Stories with Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: Grace Charlie Webster, award winning journalists and broadcaster at Lionsgate.
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  Speaker 2: You can find Charlie at Charlie Webster dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Is with us also special guest Nancy Moscatello, investigative producerep
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  Speaker 1: of Scamanda, whose Martinez former detective who worked this case.
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  Speaker 1: That should give you a big tip off about Amanda Riley.
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  Speaker 1: And last, but certainly not least, Lindsey Wilder, former church
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  Speaker 1: member who donated so much plasma to save Amanda's life,
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  Speaker 1: the plasma bank cut her off for safety reasons.
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  Speaker 2: You know you hear a last call like at a bar.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they did to Lindsay. Last call woman. No
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  Speaker 1: more donating for Amanda Riley. You've maxed out. She donated
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  Speaker 1: so much of her own plasma.
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  Speaker 2: The plasma Bank cut her off.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, to Charlie Webster, Scamanda, amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Start at the beginning. Everybody jump in. You feel like it.
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  Speaker 1: This is not he Ti at Winsor Castle with the
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  Speaker 1: new King Charles and consort Queen Camilla.
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  Speaker 2: Let it go. Charlie Webster, Oh my stars.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I can't wait to hear how you
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  Speaker 1: came up with the idea of Scamander.
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  Speaker 2: But just tell me Amanda Riley's story.
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  Speaker 1: How much does she scam I understand about one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and five thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and Nanda, I love the way you did that,
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  Speaker 9: and thank you for kind of doing this scam It's amazing. Honestly,
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  Speaker 9: it took us so much to go back and forth
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  Speaker 9: on that title, whether we felt it was right. Nancy
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  Speaker 9: and I had so many conversations about that.
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  Speaker 2: She did scam.
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  Speaker 9: Over one hundred thousand dollars worth of people's money, but
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  Speaker 9: it was small increments of money, and this was only
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  Speaker 9: what was found. I'm giving some clues away here, but
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  Speaker 9: I'm sure Detective Martinez will this is only to do
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  Speaker 9: with what was sent over the Why is so the
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  Speaker 9: money that people gave in cash?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars, waiting a minute, I'm drinking from the
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  Speaker 1: fire hydrant.
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Wester.
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  Speaker 1: You've just given me so much information that once I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to take it in.
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  Speaker 2: So let me understand.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying you said it was over one hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, but it was in small increments.
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty five dollars to one person is like two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars to another person, so.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, you know, that's straight out of the Bible. Remember,
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  Speaker 2: all of the rich members.
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  Speaker 1: Of all the rich members of the temple were giving
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  Speaker 1: huge amounts of money, and the widow came forward with
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  Speaker 1: the mite, and she was the one that was blessed,
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  Speaker 1: not them. So you know when you say it's a
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  Speaker 1: small donation, twenty five dollars, one hundred dollars to some.
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  Speaker 2: People is more than they can afford to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking about another thing you just said, Charlie Webster,
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  Speaker 1: that one hundred. I think it's one hundred and five,
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  Speaker 1: five hundred and thirteen dollars. It's what we know because
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  Speaker 1: it was wire like credit cards, and I'm PayPal Venmo.
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  Speaker 1: So there's probably the Lord only knows how much more
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  Speaker 1: out there that she's skimmed.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, did she have Hodgkins?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 9: One thing I want to point out is you make
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  Speaker 9: such an amazing point, Nancy, because there was so many people,
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  Speaker 9: as you mentioned about Lindsey, that gave their own selves,
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  Speaker 9: their own emotions, their own energy, their time, services, Like
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  Speaker 9: people donated food and so she could eat and her
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  Speaker 9: family could eat, and it wasn't just about the money.
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  Speaker 10: But no, she didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, no, wait a minute, you just really struck a
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  Speaker 1: chord hold on. Charlie Webster and Nancy Moscatello and Jose
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  Speaker 1: Martinez Kieren Stark.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, don't be shy, but.
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  Speaker 1: Lindsey Wilder is joining us who donates so much Plasid
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  Speaker 1: the woman they cut her off at the plasma bank.
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  Speaker 2: I call myself a castlerole.
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  Speaker 1: Christian because when you don't where I come from, when
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  Speaker 1: you don't know what to do for somebody, you make
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  Speaker 1: him a casserole. You make him a whole meal, the rules,
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  Speaker 1: the dessert, the dinner, the salad, the flowers, the blah blah,
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  Speaker 1: and you take it to them and you leave it
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  Speaker 1: with them. You don't even make them come to the door.
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  Speaker 1: You take it and you and you leave.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I call being a casserole Christian.
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  Speaker 1: And I stood in that kitchen many a time making
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  Speaker 1: something I didn't know what else to do. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's going to get me into heaven, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to keep trying. Here, you were giving your plasma
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  Speaker 1: to this woman. You have to tell me the whole thing.
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely. So I knew that I didn't have much to
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  Speaker 11: go financially. I knew one thing I had was a
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  Speaker 11: high plasma plate that counts. So I devoted myself every
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  Speaker 11: week going to the Red Cross. Along with me, I
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  Speaker 11: brought a magnet given to me by Amanda that said
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  Speaker 11: A Team Amanda on it. Every single time I went
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  Speaker 11: to donate. I think I did fifty four that year.
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  Speaker 11: I held the magnet and I told everybody in the
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  Speaker 11: room about my friend Amanda ce Riley dying from cancer.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just letting that soak in. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: like a fine wine.
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  Speaker 1: I've uncorked it, poured it into a glass, and now
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like it's wafting in the air.
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  Speaker 2: How did you meet this woman? Oh?
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  Speaker 11: My gosh, So I was very very close with Amanda's
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  Speaker 11: best friend. Her best friend brought me to the church
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  Speaker 11: where I met Amanda. And when I met her, she
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  Speaker 11: had already been suffering from cancer. Allegedly she had a
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  Speaker 11: beanie on and underneath she had very very short hair.
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  Speaker 11: I remember this moment very well now, and oh gosh,
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  Speaker 11: I remember her being bubbly. I remember thinking how strong
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  Speaker 11: she was.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, she was show because she's perfectly healthy, right.
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  Speaker 9: She was so Lindsay, wasn't She was so influential though
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  Speaker 9: in the church, Nancy. She was like a celebrity in
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  Speaker 9: the local church.
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  Speaker 2: What church was this?
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  Speaker 11: This was Family Community Church in Santaose, South Santose. It
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  Speaker 11: was a very large church.
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  Speaker 1: Oh these poor people, oh yeah, that have unwillingly been
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  Speaker 1: part of this scam. So you made her, you're impressed
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  Speaker 1: with her, and you decide to start giving your own plasma.
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  Speaker 11: You know, I did what I could. I really did.
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  Speaker 11: Being really close with her best friend means that I
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  Speaker 11: felt like I had a little bit more information than
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  Speaker 11: anyone else. And at this time, her best friend and I.
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  Speaker 11: Every single Tuesday, that's when the church service was that
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  Speaker 11: we attended together, we would sit in her card and
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  Speaker 11: we would pray for Amanda. We would pray that she
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  Speaker 11: would see her children and graduate from high school, that
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  Speaker 11: she would make it through all kinds of things, tears
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  Speaker 11: all the time, just doing whatever we could.
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  Speaker 10: To do something.
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  Speaker 11: What could we do but pray for her recovery and
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  Speaker 11: her children, her poor children.
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  Speaker 1: And literally give your blood, sweat and tears, your plasma,
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  Speaker 1: sweat and tears. Okay, I'm just thinking about that, And
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  Speaker 1: to me, that's a real affront because I believe that
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  Speaker 1: prayer changes things, and there are so many people, children,
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  Speaker 1: other people suffering in the world that need not only
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  Speaker 1: our prayers, but our acts, our action doing something. And
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  Speaker 1: you did all of that, Lindsey Wilder, did you hear
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Muscatelli joining me producer and co EP of Scamanda.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, we are talking.
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  Speaker 1: To the executive co executive producer of Scamanda. It is
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  Speaker 1: an eight episode limited podcast series Scamanda, available on Apple Spotify.
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  Speaker 1: iHeart everywhere as it should be, and I do not
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  Speaker 1: want to dissuade anyone from helping another person less fortunate
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  Speaker 1: than we are. But this woman needs to go to
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  Speaker 1: jail badly. I don't know that she can ever pay
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  Speaker 1: back restitution for what she did, but it's going to
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  Speaker 1: make people in the future think twice before they try
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  Speaker 1: to help another person who's battling a disease.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy Moscatello is joining us. Nancy, how did you get
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  Speaker 2: involved with this?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I got involved. I've been working in true crime and
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  Speaker 4: investigative pieces for over twenty five years, and at this
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  Speaker 4: point in my career, I was looking for different stories
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  Speaker 4: and cases for a project I was working on, and
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  Speaker 4: had reached out to different groups and organizations just saying, hey,
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  Speaker 4: here's who I am, here's here's what I do. You know,
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  Speaker 4: anyone has any leads or people they want me to
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  Speaker 4: look into, just you know, let me know here, here's
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  Speaker 4: my information. And yeah, that's not uncommon. You know when
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  Speaker 4: you're looking for stories and stuff. And I got an anonymous,
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  Speaker 4: anonymous email and they said, uh, you know there's a woman.
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  Speaker 4: This is who she is. Here's some links to her
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  Speaker 4: her blog. And you know, this person was adamant. This
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  Speaker 4: person does not have cancer. I think what they're doing
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  Speaker 4: is appalling, and can you help, can you do anything?
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  Speaker 1: So somebody knew it was a scam and they tipped
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  Speaker 1: you off.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, well, well they felt the it did, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: I think they did. Yeah, they got they felt that
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  Speaker 9: Amanda was manipulating people. And you know what's funny and Nancy,
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  Speaker 9: when Nancy Moscatello first spoke to me and we we
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  Speaker 9: were I was not quite convinced. I actually questioned Nancy
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  Speaker 9: at your time and I sat there, we did these
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  Speaker 9: blogs and looking at these photo there's somebody in hospital
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  Speaker 9: having chemo and years worth those blogs, and I said
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  Speaker 9: to Nancy, are you are you sure? I was another
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  Speaker 9: person that questioned, questioned Nancy in her I don't know,
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  Speaker 9: in her kind of plight to try and bring this
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  Speaker 9: to just it.
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  Speaker 2: So you actually thought, hey, this woman really does have cancer.
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  Speaker 1: And initially, okay, you got to tell me about the pictures,
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  Speaker 1: tell me about the pictures Nancy Muscatello, the pictures of
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  Speaker 1: this woman that were so convincing.
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  Speaker 2: What are they?
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  Speaker 4: So when when I first when I first got tipped,
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  Speaker 4: you have to know that Amanda was she already had
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  Speaker 4: three years worth of blogs up. So she started blogging
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  Speaker 4: in twenty twelve and I was tipped to it in
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  Speaker 4: twenty fifteen. So there was three years of just heart
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  Speaker 4: wrenching words, photos, proof that she was dying and that
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  Speaker 4: she had Hutchinson foma. You know, there was everything from
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  Speaker 4: multiple doctors, pictures of facilities, traveling back and forth to
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  Speaker 4: New York emergency room, pictures, bald heads, crying tears, family gatherings,
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  Speaker 4: like everything you would expect. I myself lost my sister
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  Speaker 4: to cancer. She had two young children at the time, so.
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  Speaker 2: It was very.
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  Speaker 4: Relatable to me, and what I was looking at looked
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  Speaker 4: like what I had been through with my own family. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, my source with adamant I kept going back
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  Speaker 4: and forth with them. We talked quite a bit, and
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  Speaker 4: I knew where they were coming from, and there was
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  Speaker 4: some key things that you know, I could keep in
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  Speaker 4: the back of my mind like, Okay, I see all this,
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  Speaker 4: but the facts that I'm being told are very very solid,
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  Speaker 4: So how is this possible that she's dying right or
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  Speaker 4: that she has cancer? So it was a lot of
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  Speaker 4: back and forth, and then three years worth of blogs
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  Speaker 4: gave me a lot to start working with and fact checking.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: And I think, like you, you know many producers who
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: it's arger, it's tedious, but you do it. And I
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: broke down those first three years speaking to experts I
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: knew from years and years of producing, and saying, hey,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: what do you think of this? How would I fact
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: check this? What would I do with this?
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Well, you just brought up something really interesting I had
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: thought of.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know how to try a murder case
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: or how to investigate a case and prove it to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a jury. But if somebody says I have Hodgkins, yeah,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and then I'm told no, they don't, how do you
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: start disproving that and talk about the long game, talk
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: about the end go. I mean already when you come
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: into it, she's been blogging and stealing from people for
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: three years and dragging her family along with her, and
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I've got to wonder did her family.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Know the truth.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to take a listen to our
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: cut eight from Scamander.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Listen, and there was another Amanda Riley, a seventeen year
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: old girl who lost her life to cancer in twenty ten,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: two years before our Amanda Riley first started her blog.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: To add to the confusion, a foundation was started in
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: the name of the deceased Amanda Riley.
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: And so the idea was that, oh, it was a
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: mix up. Then she was back in the game Terminal Miracle.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: The cancer relapsed into my lung. The doctors were unsure
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: if it was a whole new cancer in and of
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: itself due to the ridiculously high amounts of chemo Terminal Miracle.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Terminal Miracle.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Wow, that is quite a coincidence, isn't it. Jose Martinez,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: high profile detective who worked the case.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Jose, what was your experience in this? How did you
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: get pulled into it?
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: Well?
• 23:32
  Speaker 13: I had received a number of calls from Nancy who
• 23:38
  Speaker 13: introduced me to the idea of the case and what
• 23:43
  Speaker 13: she had been looking into.
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: And like you, I sat there and thought about how
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: would I prove that somebody doesn't have an illness? And
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: so Nancy was very precious. At the time, I was
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: working a lot of cases and just like anything else,
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: is a squeaky wheel, you know, gets the attention. So
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: I entertained it for a little bit, and she provided
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: me with the numbers of pages and pages of blogs,
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: uh that were related to this Miss Riley, and so
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: I started reading into him, and just like Nancy had
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: been reading into him. And so then I sat back
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: after Gosh, I'm not sure how many months had passed
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: as Nancy was was calling me to put my attention
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: on this, but I had been reading the blogs that
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: she sent me, and I looked at the photos of
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: Miss Riley, and then I went to the church and
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: sat in church. I thought, wow, this is this is
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: on a large scale. I'd never been to that church
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: and it was just a really huge community.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, now whoa wait, wait, I want to hear about that.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Nancy calls you start reading all the blogs,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: three years worth of blogs, I mean, talked about the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: long game again, trying to get money, getting money, And
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: there's no telling how much she got. We only know
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: of one hundred and five through wire like you know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: PayPal or Venmo or or credit card. We was somebody
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: jumping into just then.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: What I was going to say is when when I
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: contacted Hose I know it's unusual for you know, a
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: producer television, you know, to turn to the police, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: that just I guess what I'm trying to explain is
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I was so appalled and it was so out of
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: hand in my opinion, that I was like, screw the story.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: She needs to stop, like somebody needs to stop her.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: And I kind of put aside mile to mcgold at
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: the time because I just thought, what is what she's
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: doing is this community is so unreal that I just
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: couldn't fathom letting her continue. So I thought, you know, hey,
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: I you know, local police, let me start there. They'll
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: take you know, this will be easy. She you know,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: they'll get hold of her and she'll stop. And so,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: you know, making that initial contact with Jose is out
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: of character for you know, a producer of television, viewser
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: you know, working a story, working a case, and so
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: but I just thought it was that important and I
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: am incredibly thankful that he he heard me.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: So, Jose, I want to go back to you going
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: to that church, the family community church there, and I
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: believe you said, San Jose, and that is when it
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: hit you to what a laarge scale the scam is
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, guys, if we know of one
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: hundred and five thousand she took from people, plus blood,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: plus plasma, plus food, plus objects, plus leand rhymes and
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: this and that and that and this, I mean it's
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: a huge scam. Yeah, this woman is a one woman
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: wrecking crew.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: So, Hose, when did it hit you?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: This is a lot bigger than what we originally thought.
• 27:27
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: So the church size interdefinitely had an effect as to
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: the scale of what it was going to be because
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: initially I knew that as soon as I opened the
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: door to it, I was not going to be in
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: the in the favor of anybody who was supporting on
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: Miss Riley.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Hey, you were right. Your instincts were right, because listen
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to this.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: We now know that this person, Amanda Riley, had convinced
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: her family she had cancer and went so far is
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: to actually sue someone that questioned her diagnosis. Yeah, she
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: sued somebody for saying, you don't have cancer. You're stealing
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: from people in the name of being a cancer victim,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: which you were not.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: She sued them. Jose.
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, And the thing is is that you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: I when I really sat back and looked at it
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: and I thought, what would be the perfect crime having
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: an illness? You know, what's what makes it a perfect crime?
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: On those and and the fact that the hippologues that
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: protect patient confidentiality uh is a protection for her. It
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: became the core of what was to be because it
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: protected her from anyone questioning her. Who's going to go
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: to her doctor and which doctor is going to say,
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: you know, you know, give personal information about somebody's illness
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: to anybody, especially in the investigator or anybody outside of that.
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: Nobody is going to do that. And that's what I
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: found that, you know, nobody wants to talk, nobody wants
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: to be in violation of that particular law.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's also the moral problem. There's a
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: moral problem, Lindsay Wilder. Not only is there hippa who
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: protect patient confidentiality and patient information who wants to go
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: up to a cancer patient and give them a hard time?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: We worked in comfort them and help them. I mean,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Lindsay Wilder, how did you find out you were scammed
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: out of your own plasma?
• 29:37
  Speaker 11: Oh my goodness, I don't even know where to start,
• 29:40
  Speaker 11: but I will tell you right away. I still believed
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: her for a period of time, I was under the
• 29:46
  Speaker 11: impression I saw this with my own eyes. I saw
• 29:49
  Speaker 11: her pass out. I saw her pee your pants.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, can I get back to the as you say,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: pee her pants part?
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Okay? What yeah?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I hope you are writing all this down quickly. Well, well,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: so she had a fake fainting spell and fake Peter pants.
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: Well, she did peer pants and she did faint. And
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: that's why she was so convincing. That's how she managed
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: to do something like this is to use something that
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: you would never imagine anybody using to be able to
• 30:21
  Speaker 9: manipulate someone because cancer, like Karen said earlier, touch so
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: many of our life. But she did Peter pants, and
• 30:29
  Speaker 9: she did faint, and she did do all these things.
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: I'm billing to just came for her. Nancy. Yeah, So
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: that's what was so convincing. It wasn't like she faded
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: like she did go to hospital. She did sit there
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: looking like she had temos. She did go to all
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: these different trials and hospitals and take pictures.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: But how does she pull that off? I don't get it,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: first of all, with it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: My question is how does she You go in a
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: hospital and you convince them to hook you up to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: monitors and stuff.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you would do that.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, when I try to write a check at
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: the grocery store, I get the third degree. So how
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: do you walk into a hospital and convince them to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: just hook you up and take all these pictures?
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: That's a question.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: But wait, Lindsey Wilder, I want to hear about the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: paying the pants part.
• 31:15
  Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I remember it. So while I was actually
• 31:18
  Speaker 11: sitting next to her, so she started feeling very hot,
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: she said, and she said, I need to go get
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: a drink of water. She got up from next to us,
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: she walked to the back of the church and she
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: hit the floor. At that point is when she peter pants.
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: And I will tell you every single person in the congregation,
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: and I have to tell you there were one hundreds
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: started praying for her in that moment. Whatever sermon was
• 31:42
  Speaker 11: happening stopped entirely. The pastor got off the stage and
• 31:47
  Speaker 11: circled around her praying over her. And that, I kid
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: you not, is the first time in my life I prayed.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: And let me give you a perspective. This is the
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: other Nancy hit me because as someone why and reading
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: the blog in real time, as this is unfolding because
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: by now I'm I'm hooked and I'm following. Peeing her
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: pants and blogging about it was her go to. So
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: it happened in church, it happened where she worked, It
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: happened in the park with her kids for some reason.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: She fainted and peede her pants and blogged about it
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: several times over and each time hot needed water. If
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: you ask me, I'm convinced that was water and not paid.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: But that's me because that's what I So there's a
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: game with Amanda, and unless you are looking at it
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: through completely different lenses, that's how Amanda did it. So
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: that's and so you know she was dedicated and she
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: was good at it.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: How do you go at a hospital? Jose Martinez Time
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Guys, we are talking to Charlie West, her host of Scamanda,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to Nancy Moscatela, the investigative producer co EP of Scamanda.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Whose Martinez, the detective who worked this case probably still
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: having nightmares about it. Lindsay Wilder, who gotten cut off
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: at the Plasma Bank for donating so much Plaza to
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: save this woman's life. Karen Start, renowned psychologist out of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Manhattan and cancer survivor. I mean just the thought of
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: this woman using cancer survivors, cancer warriors like Karen Stark,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: using my friend Karen, start to get money and this
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: one hundred grand that's a tip of the iceberg. You've
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: got Lindsey Wilder laid out on a gurney giving plasma
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: to this woman. So Lindsey, I'm just trying to take
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: in how she faked it all.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: But what I know get J Jose.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Martinez, is how do you go to a hospital and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: convince them to hook you up so you can take
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: pictures for your blog.
• 34:22
  Speaker 10: Well, if you look at the pictures, you have to
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: ask yourself what am I really looking at? So when
• 34:29
  Speaker 10: you look at the pictures, like there's pictures of her
• 34:34
  Speaker 10: in a hallway or with the beanie cap on and
• 34:38
  Speaker 10: then a little oxygen tube that ghosts into your nose
• 34:41
  Speaker 10: and around your ears, But there's nothing in the hallway.
• 34:43
  Speaker 13: It's empty.
• 34:45
  Speaker 10: So I'm not really seeing anything that convinces me that
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: she's really hooked up to something. It's the appearance of it,
• 34:54
  Speaker 10: and that's what she's selling in those pictures, is the appearance,
• 34:59
  Speaker 10: the shaved head, all the things that we relate to
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: the illness, well especially this illness. She's she's doing the
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: checkboxes and people are believing just what they see and
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: then they're believing this based on the superficial picture but
• 35:18
  Speaker 10: not really knowing. And the whole, the whole question that
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: I kept getting from all the hospitals that I call
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: is why would somebody fake cancer? And so that on
• 35:27
  Speaker 10: top of just the images, nobody's questioning it. So that
• 35:33
  Speaker 10: is you know, that's again, that's part of the whole scam.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Wow, I'm just trying to take the whole thing. And
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: guys take a listen now.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Cut eleven from our friends of Crime online dot com.
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: A former teacher and principal who courageously fought her battle
• 35:46
  Speaker 12: with cancer, using her blog and social media to detail
• 35:49
  Speaker 12: all of her ups and downs. She shared how expensive
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: the cancer bella could be and sought donations from anyone
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: who could help. She claimed to have support from major
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: celebrities like Lenne Rhymes. Well, well, now it seems it
• 36:01
  Speaker 12: was all a scam. Amanda c Riley never had cancer. Never.
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: She didn't use the money to pay for cancer treatment,
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: but she did use it to help pay living expenses.
• 36:11
  Speaker 12: Federal prosecutors and the irs claim. Riley received four hundred
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: and forty seven online donations totally over sixty thousand dollars
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: through her support Amanda Page alone. Thousands more was raised
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: by volunteers who organized fundraisers like chili cookoff contest, Facebook
• 36:27
  Speaker 12: challenge and auctioning off on eBay autograph guitars by LeAnn
• 36:32
  Speaker 12: Rimes and Alan Jackson.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, whoa white a minute? Whoa wait? White white white.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: White, Charlie Webster, she got Lianne Rimes to donate guitars
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Alan Jackson, Chili cookoffs.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: This is a lot. This is a lot bigger than
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: one hundred grand.
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's so much bigger. And like you said, it's
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: people preys. This is this is what's so fascinating about
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: this this podcast, commander is And the whole point we
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: used her, I used her blogs throughout and got an
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: actress to read them is is you almost become convinced
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: when you're listening to it, even though you know she's lying.
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: And it was so there's so many twists and turns.
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: I mean Nancy, who originally was through an anonymous Thaws,
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: was told about Amanda a long time ago, years years.
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: Nancy has been trying to pursue her in a personal way.
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: It did become personal because Amanda tried to get a
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: subpoena against Nancy and actually strung it out for months
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: and months, tried to discredit Nancy. Took us a chord,
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: she used her own. She basically also used fam to
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: break a family up by using her cancer. So she
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: actually took Oh, it's so awful her husband's daughter off
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: her mother by using her cancer to manipulate people Nancy.
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: I was even in touch with Amanda fairly recently, and
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: she thought that I was hired by Nancy to try
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: and get at her. And she's still not taking that
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: accountability and responsibility. But the thing about her is she's
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: so nice. It's kind of weird.
• 38:23
  Speaker 10: She's so cute.
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: She's like so perlite and so lovely and so empathetic,
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: and you kind of get drawn in. And we have
• 38:33
  Speaker 9: this perception that criminals are these kind of big, bad
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: monsters and rah scary people, but she was so kind
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: and lovely, and that's how she infiltrated and abused so
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: many people. And it's that kind of violation of not
• 38:51
  Speaker 9: just the money or the castle roles, as you said,
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: or the chili, cook goss, the time, the energy. But
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: it's that violation, is that sense of sell us on
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: the abuse of trust. But honestly, it's unbelievably convincing.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out who can tell me about
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: her family? I mean, she has children who are going
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: to grow up to say, yeah, my mom faked cancer
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and raked in like what one, two, three hundred thousand dollars? Yeah,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I mean we only know about the credit card or
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: the electronic donations. We don't know about the hundreds of
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: thousands of dollars and man hours put into trying to
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: help her.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Charlie and Nancy. Did her family believe her?
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: And what were you saying about taking a daughter away
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: and breaking up the family?
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: If I could speak to that, So, yeah, go on.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: To one of the first things I did when you know,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: learning about Amanda in the situation. During that tip, I pulled.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: I looked for court cases. I looked for anything I
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: could to see who is Amanda Ryley?
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: What is she about?
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: And one of the there was two court cases, a
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: bankruptcy court case for her and her husband, Corey Riley,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: and then custody case with Corey Riley and his one
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: of his ex his ex wife, Alita. So the one
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: of the very first things I did, as I called,
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: I reached out to Alita Burnelle Riley and just hey,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: here's who I am, very vague, very like I see
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: court papers, I'm kind of pre interviewing. I'm looking at Amanda.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: And at that point, Amanda's support system wanted her on
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: the Ellen Show and this show and please somebody help
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: her help this mom who's dying. So there was a
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: lot of attention for her to get more attention. Right,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: So when I spoke with this this ex wife, she said, well,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: I have nothing nice to say about those Amanda Riley
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: and Corey Riley, but you know, and I would never
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: but I would never say anything because she's dying with
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: cancer and you know that is my daughter's stepmother. And
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: I said, well, you know what's going on. So basically
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: they were in a court, a custody battle. Everything in
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: that custody battle, the papers filed, we late had a
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: hook that mister Riley's wife was dying with cancer and
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: the medical bills were so astronomical and this ex wife
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: was so out of control and such a horrible person
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: that they should have custody of this young girl.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: So basically they attacked the bio mom, yeah, and say
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: she shouldn't have custody because correct the stepmom, Amanda Riley's
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: dying of cancer.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well not only dying, but you know, this mom
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: was unfit according to Amanda and Corey, right, So there
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: was a lot of manipulation in that course. So this
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  Speaker 4: woman was in the battle of her life to keep
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: her daughter and they want, you know, they took custody
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  Speaker 4: away for a year and a half. And at that
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: point is when I came into Alida's life.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe they got her study of the daughter,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: and the daughter probably believed the whole thing hook line
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: and sink her.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Oh where is she now? Where's the daughter?
• 42:14
  Speaker 9: The daughter now is? And I think it's really important
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: to say this. She does really struggle, and she's a
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: wonderful young woman, but she does struggle from what's happened
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: because this was her the majority of her life. She
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: was manipulated by this woman under her own ruth, even
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: to the point where her and the two sons of
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: biological sons of Amanda and Corey were told that they
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: might potentially have to donate their donate plasma or their
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: organs because she was dying. It was it wasn't just
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: kind of to the outside of the community. They did
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: emotionally damage the children.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And is the bio daughter back with her by a mom?
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  Speaker 7: Yes she is.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh yeah, guess.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: This is so much worse than I thought. It was
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: just scamming money. And then I find out about Lindsey
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Wilder and she stole her plasma like a vampire. You know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Karen Stark, I've just got to hear your take a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: cancer warrior. And Karen, how long have you been battling cancer?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes it's as long as I can remember.
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: It was ten years, Nancy, it was a whole decade.
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: And yeah, now I'm much better. I'm fine right now.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Prank God.
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: It was a long journey. And when I'm listening to
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: all this is a psychologist, I have to say I'm
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: not surprised at all because someone who is a psychopath,
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: who who's able to con people notoriously charming, wonderful, hard
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: to believe. And if you take a personality like that
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: and you add an illness that no one would ever
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: think somebody would.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Con them about, who would ever come up.
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: With something about cancer, and so I am not the
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: least bit surprised that she was able to convince everybody.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: So what I.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Think, Karen, what you have been through, what you have suffered,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: What you have endured over and over and over again
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: for ten years, Karen Stark, and this woman makes a
• 44:35
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