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Minneapolis Shooting, Plus Less Lethal Options - Personal Defense · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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Speaker 1: If I passed the hour, I am turning the page
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Speaker 1: on the rundown. Here it is see Third Hour Morning
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Speaker 1: Show with Preston Scott Show five four and forty four.
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Speaker 2: He is Jose.
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Speaker 3: I can't.
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Speaker 1: He's polished his head, he shaved his hair, and it's
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Speaker 1: just it's it's reflecting it. It's like a beacon over there.
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Speaker 1: It's Studio one A, and I'm here in Studio one B,
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Speaker 1: and I am joined by co founder of the Talent
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Speaker 1: Training Group. He is co host of Talent Outdoors and
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Speaker 1: he's our friend from the talent training group Talent Range
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Speaker 1: say in sixty seconds?
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Speaker 3: Talent Security it's my other company. There you go, Talent Holsters.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew if we primed the pump along enough
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Speaker 1: we'd get some more. We have determined though, that the
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Speaker 1: Talent Winery in Tennessee or Kentucky it is is not
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Speaker 1: part of the.
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Speaker 3: Oh, there's a ton of things out or talent you know,
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Speaker 3: people call are y'all, y'all talent grips, which are these
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Speaker 3: little stick on skateboard tape you put on pistol grips
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Speaker 3: and like no, no, and we tried, and then there's talent,
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Speaker 3: but black talon ammo, and there's okay. When we started
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Speaker 3: trying to get some trademarks and stuff, we found out
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Speaker 3: all of the things out there that are talent that
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Speaker 3: prohibited us from getting certain things right. Anyway, we just
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Speaker 3: wanted to name it. We didn't wanted to make it
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Speaker 3: Charlie and JD's Training Company or JD and Charlie's Rains
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Speaker 3: or anything like that. It was had to come up
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Speaker 3: with something. Everybody goes, I have anything that there would
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Speaker 3: it be a Tyler Hasse He said, no, No. Talon
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Speaker 3: came from Eagle Talons. And when I was on the
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Speaker 3: s White team, you know the Eagle and lightning Bolt
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Speaker 3: was the logo and I I did some artwork on
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Speaker 3: it one time. And you know, my favorite part of
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Speaker 3: the Eagle is the actually the talents.
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Speaker 1: And I was thinking, you have the original artwork, you
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Speaker 1: had to put it up for sale, raise funds, raise
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Speaker 1: some money for a good cost.
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Speaker 3: It was graphic computer graphics.
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Speaker 1: Still sign it and put your signature on it. It'll
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Speaker 1: be worth one hundred.
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Speaker 3: Print a thousand of them and sell them all as original.
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Speaker 3: Why not? That's my original signature.
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Speaker 1: Charlie is strickling with us this morning. It is our
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Speaker 1: personal defense segment, and we have to have a laugh
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Speaker 1: now and then because the stuff that's in the news
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Speaker 1: just sometimes is not that funny, and it's not even
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Speaker 1: remotely funny, and it's downright discouraging. And we had another
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Speaker 1: shooter at a church school in Minneapolis, and Charlie, churches
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Speaker 1: and church schools are being targeted, Yes, they are specifically
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Speaker 1: being targeted. Yes, what are some considerations that people in
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Speaker 1: those environments need to have?
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Speaker 3: Guns? Protection, security, a plan, a security team. There's so
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Speaker 3: many things. I mean, there's a there's there's not a
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Speaker 3: new prescription. It's not a new concept. We've been dealing
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Speaker 3: with this for for years and years now, and I
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Speaker 3: think a lot of times when these things happen, and
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Speaker 3: what people consider to be safe places, I mean where
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Speaker 3: you should feel the safest is normally where we should
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Speaker 3: be the most concerned now because people let their guard down.
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Speaker 3: And when you go to church, or you're in a
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Speaker 3: Christian school or a whatever religion, you know, any house
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Speaker 3: of worship based school, you feel like, well, nothing's going
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Speaker 3: to happen there, but because you know we're we're there
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Speaker 3: in a place of God, you know, and that that's
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Speaker 3: not no. But that's where people are going crazy. People
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Speaker 3: excuse me, but these a lot of these people are
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Speaker 3: are mentally ill or are have twisted some way shape
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Speaker 3: form or fashion away from and and and they have
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Speaker 3: an agenda against an organization. And when you have an
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Speaker 3: organization that that that has such a passion or following
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Speaker 3: or faith, then you're going to find people that oppose that,
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Speaker 3: or that are angry or are upset or feel betrayed,
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Speaker 3: or through whatever twisted sense they make of it, have
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Speaker 3: decided that they're going to go after and rebel and
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Speaker 3: fight back and do something. So you know, anytime you
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Speaker 3: set yourself up to stand on firm ground and build
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Speaker 3: a place for yourself, there's somebody trying to tear that down.
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Speaker 3: And if they don't agree with you, that gives them
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Speaker 3: and their warped minds or reason to do it. So
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Speaker 3: you've got your kid in a faith based school, that
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Speaker 3: school has a duty to your children, that organization, that
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Speaker 3: church that you're in, has a duty to the people
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Speaker 3: that worship there to provide safety and security for them,
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Speaker 3: and needs to allow someone there with a gun to
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Speaker 3: protect them. They need to have a plan. They need
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Speaker 3: to drill, they need to do these things, they need
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Speaker 3: to have a team. All the things that we've talked about.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the aftermath of what happened in Minneapolis
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Speaker 1: and the considerations that any of you, if you attend
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Speaker 1: to church, if you run a church you're a pastor.
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Speaker 1: If you run a school, you've got a private school,
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Speaker 1: do you have a plan? Charlie is in all the
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Speaker 1: years that you and JD have talked with businesses, organizations, schools, churches, synagogues,
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Speaker 1: you name it, that's probably in the high hundreds, if
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Speaker 1: not thousands at this point. What's worse a bad plan
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Speaker 1: or no plan?
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Speaker 2: Are they equally bad?
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Speaker 3: Out? I don't know. I Mean that's hard to say
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Speaker 3: because how bad is your bad plan? So if your
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Speaker 3: plan is to have someone run up lock the doors
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Speaker 3: when somebody's shooting at the doors and to call nine
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Speaker 3: one one, I'd say that's probably worse than no plan
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Speaker 3: because no plan would involve everybody and you know, every
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Speaker 3: which away and mass confusion, and they're both bad. I mean,
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Speaker 3: having a good plan is so easy, I mean, it
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Speaker 3: really is. It's not difficult. It's not absolutely I know,
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Speaker 3: in your church with your team and your people that
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Speaker 3: you're involved in. You guys have it going on. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I know, I mean I've listened to you. I know
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Speaker 3: what a lot of what y'all are doing.
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Speaker 1: Well, you we had you and JD involved with our
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Speaker 1: site evaluation and making recommendations to how we should approach
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Speaker 1: security for our church.
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Speaker 3: Well, we've talked to so many houses of worship in
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Speaker 3: the region, gone out looked at places, We've worked with
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Speaker 3: people's teams. We've trained so many people through our classes,
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Speaker 3: I mean thousands upon thousands, and so yeah, I'd say
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Speaker 3: that's probably made a little bit of a difference in
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Speaker 3: this area. It's not like Tyler Hassee's prone to have
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Speaker 3: an active huger situation here. I mean, we've only had
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Speaker 3: three that I can recall, you know, that's all. And
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Speaker 3: so you know, people go, oh, it's not going to
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Speaker 3: happen here. Well, you don't know what happens on a
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Speaker 3: daily basis around us. Down There are shots fired in
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Speaker 3: this down every single night, you know, So just people
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Speaker 3: don't get hit every single night, get hit enough, I mean,
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Speaker 3: and there's no amount of police or police work or
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Speaker 3: anything that's going to stop that from happening as long
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Speaker 3: as there are people out there that are angry.
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Speaker 1: And that's really the point. Police, sheriffs, law enforcement in
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Speaker 1: general can only react. This is about having someone on site.
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Speaker 3: It's like trying to move water. I mean, you put
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Speaker 3: your hand in a bucket and you want to move
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Speaker 3: it to one side. All you're doing is moving in
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Speaker 3: it over there, and it's flowing in right behind. Law
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Speaker 3: enforcement can only do so much. We as citizens, we
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Speaker 3: as we have a duty to protect ourselves. We have
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Speaker 3: a responsibility of a duty to protect our families and
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Speaker 3: our people around us. You know, there are different times
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Speaker 3: of people. We talk about the predator, the prey, and
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Speaker 3: the protector, you know, the evil person out there, that
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Speaker 3: evil does exist in our society. There is the predator
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Speaker 3: that's the person that we're concerned about. And the prayer
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Speaker 3: are the people that are not capable of The predator
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Speaker 3: has the propensity and the capacity to commit violence. They
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Speaker 3: can commit violence, and they are willing and able to
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Speaker 3: commit violence. The prey are the people who just are
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Speaker 3: not prepared to commit violence and protection of themselves or others.
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Speaker 3: They don't have the mindset to do it, so they
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Speaker 3: don't have the capacity or the propensity to commit violence,
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Speaker 3: and then there's a protector and those that's those of
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Speaker 3: us who have the capacity for violence. But we do
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Speaker 3: not have the propensity for violence. We have the ability
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Speaker 3: to commit violent acts if necessary, but we don't have
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Speaker 3: the mindset to do it for any reason other than
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Speaker 3: in protection of ourselves or our community or other people.
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Speaker 3: And so if you count yourself among to protect your class,
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Speaker 3: and you can. We're not like, we're not animals, we
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Speaker 3: are human beings. We can change our stripes. We can
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Speaker 3: go from being a defenseless person to being able to
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Speaker 3: defend ourselves. But it takes first to change in your mindset.
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Speaker 3: You have to say, I'm not going to let this
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Speaker 3: happen to me. I'm not going to let this happen
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Speaker 3: to my family. I'm not going to let this happen
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Speaker 3: to child, to my children. And what you, as a
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Speaker 3: parent or as a person should do is to demand
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Speaker 3: the boards of directors of organizations and church boards and
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Speaker 3: that we need to have this And I'm not going
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Speaker 3: to be here, my child's not going to be here.
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be here on something unless you
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Speaker 3: do something in this organization to protect us. Because I
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Speaker 3: don't want to be looking over my shoulder all the time,
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Speaker 3: and I don't want to be worried about my kid
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Speaker 3: at school. In school, you know, and there are guns
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Speaker 3: and everywhere now on the good side of things and
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Speaker 3: on the bad side of things. I mean, guns show
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Speaker 3: up from here. There's kids that do stupid stuff and
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Speaker 3: bring things to school they shouldn't. But there are also
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Speaker 3: people that are planning things and doing things, and there's
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Speaker 3: a whole science behind that. But so what my advice
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Speaker 3: to everyone is to if you're part of an organization
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Speaker 3: is sit down with leadership and go what are you
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Speaker 3: doing to protect me? And how can I help? I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's just that easy. You have to start the conversations.
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Speaker 3: You have to do it with a firm hands.
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Speaker 1: Twenty two minutes past the hour with Charlie Strickland of
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Speaker 1: the talent training group talent range dot com. You get
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Speaker 1: your training and become a member out there, and you know,
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Speaker 1: the idea is to not just shoot paper targets unless
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Speaker 1: that's just what you want to do for fun. If
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Speaker 1: you're serious about personal defense, get some training and you'll
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Speaker 1: benefit from it. I mentioned another story Charlie that's in
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Speaker 1: the news. I said it was seasonal because we've got
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Speaker 1: kids back in school, We've got students back in town
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Speaker 1: at the campuses, and came across the story of parking lot.
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Speaker 1: Someone tried to rob a convenience store here in Florida,
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Speaker 1: Saint John's County and tried as well to kidnap a
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Speaker 1: female out of the store. She fought with everything she
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Speaker 1: had in her and got away, So there was a
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Speaker 1: happy ending there. But I want to talk about the
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Speaker 1: awareness factor and some of the things that we should
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Speaker 1: be advising our daughters and the late in our community
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Speaker 1: as we're now going to see more and more availability
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Speaker 1: of the potential victims.
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Speaker 3: Get off of that cell phone, because that is the
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Speaker 3: one thing we talk about levels of awareness. We talk
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Speaker 3: about conditioned white and yellow red or orange, red and black.
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Speaker 3: Cooper's color code. You all can google that and ask
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Speaker 3: AI to explain that to you. It will probably do
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Speaker 3: a decent job. So the a little insight. I listened
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Speaker 3: yesterday's show, so UH segment one.
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Speaker 1: Charlie, Ladies and Gentlemen, Charlie sore all week.
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Speaker 3: The uh SO the biggest issues they Fox News this show.
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Speaker 3: I'm looking up here at the screen they're showing the
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Speaker 3: Chuck e Cheese mascot getting arrested again.
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Speaker 2: That was funny.
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Speaker 3: That guy has been arrested a bunch on TV. Yes
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Speaker 3: he has, well, got so. The biggest thing when the
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Speaker 3: levels of awareness is people are so distracted in this
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Speaker 3: day and age. I mean people, I see it all
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Speaker 3: the time, and I'm guilty. I have to watch myself
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Speaker 3: because you know, I have to make myself look up
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Speaker 3: for my cell phone sometimes, you know, and you know,
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Speaker 3: you just have to find a time and a place
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Speaker 3: for all that. You know, when you're sitting there in
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Speaker 3: a restaurant, somebody walks in the door. You need you
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Speaker 3: hear the something new, Glance up, glance up, just look
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Speaker 3: around with a critical eye. You know, does that look normal?
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Speaker 3: Be listening? You know? Is that that ambient noise? Or
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Speaker 3: is that out of the ordinary? I mean those things
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Speaker 3: where you're constant. I mean you say, head on a swivel. Well,
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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about walking around all paranoid, but talk
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Speaker 3: to your kids, particularly daughters, about listen or is somebody,
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Speaker 3: you know, somebody staring at you. You know you're there
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Speaker 3: in a bar, I mean, is somebody staring at you,
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Speaker 3: stalking you, trying to get close to you. Now they're
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Speaker 3: hovering around your drink, you know, next to or they
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Speaker 3: you know, keep your drink covered up. You want tobody
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Speaker 3: dropping anything in there. Things like that. Yeah, when when
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Speaker 3: And that's that's a lot of it. I mean, it happens,
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Speaker 3: It does happen. Doesn't You get a reported as often
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Speaker 3: as it happens. And so if you're walking out of
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Speaker 3: a store, you know, just glance up, scan the parking lot,
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Speaker 3: you know, if something going on. So it's you walk
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Speaker 3: into a store, somebody's robbing a store, you're in the store,
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Speaker 3: run in the back, go to the go go in
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Speaker 3: the cooler, you know, go find somewhere to get away
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Speaker 3: from them. Because they're so worried about law enforcement coming,
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Speaker 3: they're thinking about other things. Don't stand there, I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 3: you want to be a good witness. They got cameras,
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Speaker 3: they got a witness. You get away, you know, don't
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Speaker 3: you know. Go run into beer cooler and grab a
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Speaker 3: beer bottle and hold it in your hand as a weapon,
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Speaker 3: you know, and hit them across the head if they
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Speaker 3: come in. Carry things with you that you can use
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Speaker 3: this weapons. Yeah, just because you can't have something on
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Speaker 3: campus doesn't mean you can't have it out in public,
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Speaker 3: and so there are laws that allow you to carry
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Speaker 3: certain things around. There are different less lethal items that
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Speaker 3: you could carry on you that you can use even
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Speaker 3: if you're not twenty one, and you can't carry a farm,
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Speaker 3: and a lot of these college kids are not old
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Speaker 3: enough to carry a farm because you can carry one
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Speaker 3: without a permit if you're twenty one, and you're legally
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Speaker 3: allowed to get a permit if you don't have a
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Speaker 3: criminal records.
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Speaker 2: But you can't do it on a college campus.
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Speaker 3: Can't least you can do it on a college campus.
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Speaker 3: You can keep one in your car on parked on
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Speaker 3: a college campus, but not you can't have one in
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Speaker 3: a structure on campus obviously, not in dorm rooms and
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Speaker 3: things like that or anything. It's campus, this university affiliated,
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Speaker 3: so you need to be careful, make sure you're abided
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Speaker 3: by the law. But you can't have pepper spray and
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Speaker 3: tasers and things like that.
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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that in the next segment.
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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the less lethal options, the good,
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Speaker 1: the bad, and the oh don't that fall into those categories.
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Speaker 1: But I think I want to I want to end
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Speaker 1: this segment with where we started. You said the word
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Speaker 1: put the phones down and be aware.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just be aware. Look around you, be aware of
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Speaker 3: what's happening because and and don't be afraid of offending someone.
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Speaker 3: A lot of times people will oh if I, if
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Speaker 3: I act afraid, you know what, you're going to offend people.
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Speaker 3: If you say the right thing or wrong things, somebody's
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Speaker 3: going to get offended. I get it. You don't want
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Speaker 3: to appear to be racist or sex sist or this
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Speaker 3: or that or whatever. But if someone's making giving you
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Speaker 3: the creepy feeling, trust your discernment, trust your judgment. You
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Speaker 3: know you don't want to get too far down that road.
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Speaker 3: I mean, just look at the way people are dressed,
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Speaker 3: Look at the way they're acting. They're posturing, their body language,
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Speaker 3: their eye contact. It will speak volumes and your instincts
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Speaker 3: tend to be pretty right, folks.
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Speaker 1: The point of bringing this up here is I recognize
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Speaker 1: they're not a ton of young people. We have some
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Speaker 1: college students, some homeschool students, we have some high school
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Speaker 1: students that might be catching this. But the bottom line
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Speaker 1: is talk to your kids about this, whether they're on
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Speaker 1: this campus, on another campus somewhere else, let them listen
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Speaker 1: to this segment, get them thinking about it and the
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Speaker 1: obligatory and we're back. Charlie Strickland with me from the
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Speaker 1: Talent Training group Talent Range again Tellingrange dot Com. And
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Speaker 1: I texted Charlie earlier in the week. I said, Okay,
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Speaker 1: are there some things you definitely want to make sure
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Speaker 1: we cover?
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Speaker 2: He said yes, So.
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Speaker 3: Every now and then you run across something. And I
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Speaker 3: saw something being shared on Facebook about this happened. And
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Speaker 3: the police officer told my friend and she told me
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Speaker 3: and blah blah blah blah blah, and it brought home
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Speaker 3: a point about less lethal stuff. And I went into
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Speaker 3: credit union one day and I'm sitting there. It's a
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Speaker 3: small credit union in a small town, and I'm talking
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Speaker 3: to the lady at the counter and I'm like, well,
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Speaker 3: and I look over behind next to her keyboard and
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Speaker 3: there's a can of washpray And I said, I'm looking
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Speaker 3: around the room and I said, you have many wasps
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Speaker 3: in here, and she goes, it's funny, nobody's ever mentioned
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Speaker 3: that before. And I said, you're not using that for
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Speaker 3: self defense, sorry, And she goes, she looks around and
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Speaker 3: she goes, we're not allowed to have any weapons in here.
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Speaker 3: And so my friend said, a police officer told them
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Speaker 3: that I should get a can of washpray, and I'm like,
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Speaker 3: you know, that doesn't work, and she goes, well, they
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Speaker 3: said that, you know, we have to be careful because
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Speaker 3: it could blind somebody. And out of this and it
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Speaker 3: was more effective, I said, no, it's got priorythroan in
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Speaker 3: it and it's like one percent, and that's designed to
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Speaker 3: work on insects, nervous systems, not people. And yes, it
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Speaker 3: can cause permanent blind It can cause blindness in people
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Speaker 3: if you get it in their eyes, but it's not
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Speaker 3: immediate if you sprayed it in your eyes. I've had
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Speaker 3: wash spray in my eyes before. Spraying washed above my
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Speaker 3: head got in my eye and I'm like, well that's
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Speaker 3: kind of that doesn't even burn, you know. And it's
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Speaker 3: got Patrollum products in it and different things in it
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Speaker 3: and carry it's not going to incapacitate anyone. It might
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Speaker 3: irritate them and in a few minutes it may cause
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Speaker 3: them some distress, but it's not immediate. It's not designed
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Speaker 3: for that, and it doesn't work for that. And so
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Speaker 3: people go, Okay, get a big can of wash spray.
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Speaker 3: It'll spray out to thirty feet you know what, so
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Speaker 3: will bear spray and it will work on people. And
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Speaker 3: it has a pretty effective because it's so there's so
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Speaker 3: much volume to it. You can buy bear spray that online.
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Speaker 3: The bear spray is not as strong as people spray,
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Speaker 3: I mean by regular O sea spray. It's a little
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Speaker 3: bit stronger than the bear spray. But the bear spray
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Speaker 3: projects a long stream. It goes way out there because
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Speaker 3: obviously if you got bears, you don't want to get
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Speaker 3: too close to them. And you can use it on
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Speaker 3: people because it's not a lethal item. You can carry it.
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Speaker 3: Now there's you can only carry so much pepper spray
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Speaker 3: on you. And the little handheld devices you can carry
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Speaker 3: those open and you can carry those concealed. You don't
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Speaker 3: have to do the Florida loaw allows you to carry
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Speaker 3: them either way. Something with a taser, you can carry
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Speaker 3: a taser openly or concealed on you. But but well,
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Speaker 3: the projectile can't fire more than fifteen sixteen feet and
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Speaker 3: most of the civilian tasers or fifteen feet. But the
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Speaker 3: problem with a taser is is both probes have to
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Speaker 3: contact at a certain distance away from each other. In
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Speaker 3: order to get a proper spread, both probes have to
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Speaker 3: contact the body or there cannot be more than a
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Speaker 3: two inch gap between where it hits into clothing and
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Speaker 3: to work. There's a lot of issues with you only
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Speaker 3: get one shot. They cost as much as a handgun,
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Speaker 3: and you know it's they're effective if if you don't
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Speaker 3: have anything else. Pepper spray is effective about half the time,
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Speaker 3: I mean on half the people. I mean, it's not
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Speaker 3: a fantastic weapon, but it's better than nothing. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you know, so I would carry it. I tell people
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Speaker 3: to carry. We sell it in a store where you
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Speaker 3: can buy it lose. I mean you can get it anywhere.
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Speaker 3: I would encourage people to get some sort of a weapon.
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Speaker 1: Forty one minutes past the hour final segment here with
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Speaker 1: Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group. Remember just go
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Speaker 1: to talentrange dot com for some training burnas Sean Hannity
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Speaker 1: talks about them all the place, they're becoming more and
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Speaker 1: more popular. We people writing in asking about burners because they,
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Speaker 1: for example, might be a contractor at a state university
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Speaker 1: and they're used to carrying, but they can't carry on campus.
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Speaker 1: They follow the rules even though bad people.
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Speaker 2: Don't.
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Speaker 3: Can they carry not burners on campus?
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Speaker 2: No, that is so disappointing.
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Speaker 3: I'll do some research and I'll look at exactly what
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Speaker 3: the law says. And they've been getting back to you.
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Speaker 3: They don't know the whole reason, but I do know
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Speaker 3: that they cannot. So, but Burna's you know, when they
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Speaker 3: first came out with Berna and it was just marketed heavily.
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Speaker 3: They have a heavy marketing and conservative talk circles too,
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Speaker 3: they have Burna. So Burna is a pepper ball. It
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Speaker 3: is a paintball, just like a paintball gun like kids
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Speaker 3: go play with and they'd have the paintball. When then
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Speaker 3: you know they got all these paintball tournaments and stuff
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Speaker 3: like that. They're you're shooting a paintball and they hurt,
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Speaker 3: especially if you hit at bear skin or anything that's
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Speaker 3: not padded. They do hurt. They leave a whelp. I mean,
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Speaker 3: we used to use paintballs in and plastic bullets and stuff,
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Speaker 3: and our and our training courses, I have shot hit
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Speaker 3: a lot of depth. There's some deputy old deputies out
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Speaker 3: there listening and they've been through our training or do
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Speaker 3: serpentine training, and they had they had plastic bullets and
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Speaker 3: marking cartridges. And I had a paintball gun and if
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Speaker 3: they got out from behind cover, I'd eat them up.
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Speaker 3: I mean, and I've seen guys leave there with whelps
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Speaker 3: on them. They hurt, but you know, we use them
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Speaker 3: on each other. So you take that technology and you
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Speaker 3: feel it. Instead of paint, you fill it with olerism
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Speaker 3: CAP says and powder O C powder, and so you
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Speaker 3: get that respiratory effect as well as the pain from
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Speaker 3: the thing hitting you. It's more effective than pepper spray,
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Speaker 3: except that you know, if you get it up on
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Speaker 3: the upper part of the body where the powder gets
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Speaker 3: in your face, so you have the pain, compliance you
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Speaker 3: have the respiratory effect and the blinding effect of the
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Speaker 3: pepper powder.
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Speaker 1: Is there a difference when they combine the projectile with
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Speaker 1: not just the pepper, but the tear gas component as well.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it has the same basic effect. So C
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Speaker 3: S and O C are two of the chemical components
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Speaker 3: we use in a tactical environment. You know, O C
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Speaker 3: is more of a irritant to the mucous membranes and
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Speaker 3: the eyes. It's more of a it's more of that.
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Speaker 3: A C S has more of a I forget the
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Speaker 3: name of it. That's a bigger just a bigger word,
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Speaker 3: but it's it's a little different effect. You put the
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Speaker 3: two together. Yeah, you're going to have you're gonna have
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Speaker 3: a little bit more more of more effective chemical compound. However,
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Speaker 3: it's still not it's not a gun. Okay, so understand
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Speaker 3: you're not carrying a gun. Uh, you might distract people
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Speaker 3: with it. That might if they may think they're being
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Speaker 3: shot because it's shaped like a gun. It may sound
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Speaker 3: under stress. You know, it's pop pop pop. They're getting
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Speaker 3: the impact. But keep in mind, it is a distractor.
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Speaker 3: It is a It causes a pause in combat, and
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Speaker 3: that's all you can expect from most less lethal weapons.
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Speaker 3: That is going to get their attention. It's going to
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Speaker 3: distract them. It's going to give you a moment or
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Speaker 3: two to try to get away. It's not going to
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Speaker 3: when you know, we were talking on a break. I
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Speaker 3: consider incapacitating when they say, what does it incapacitate people?
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Speaker 3: To me, that's it stops them from doing anything to you,
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Speaker 3: and it detains It makes them lay there and wait
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Speaker 3: for somebody to get there. I don't can consider that incapacitating.
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Speaker 3: All it does is a distractor to me. It gets
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Speaker 3: their attention. They're solely focused on what's going on with
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Speaker 3: their body at that point in time. Now, if they
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Speaker 3: are under the influence of drugs or they are mentally ill,
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Speaker 3: it may not have the physiological effects that you want
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Speaker 3: it to the physical effects that you want it to.
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Speaker 3: It may cause them to be angry, you know. And
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Speaker 3: then there are other things like handheld flashlights, you know,
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Speaker 3: impact weapons, things like that. I love a flashlight. I've
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Speaker 3: got a flashlight in my pocket. There's I noticed one
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Speaker 3: over there. Clip to your having a little bright light
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Speaker 3: you can shine in somebody's face, hold it in your hand,
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Speaker 3: push button on the back. You stab them in the
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Speaker 3: stab them in the ice, stab them in the temple
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Speaker 3: across the bridge of the nose, you know it as
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Speaker 3: a last resort.
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Speaker 2: It was my brother's favorite spot. To you, it's the
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Speaker 2: bridge of the nose.
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Speaker 3: Well. I mean, you take a little handheld device like
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Speaker 3: that and everybody knows how to stab. I mean, so
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Speaker 3: you know those having something on you, I mean the
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Speaker 3: little noise distraction devices. That's nothing. That's you know, keys
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Speaker 3: to your car and make your alarm go beat beep
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Speaker 3: or something. There's you got it, just don't. It's not
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Speaker 3: a lucky charm. It's not gonna make the world go away.
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Speaker 3: It's not gonna keep the evil, you know, the wolf
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Speaker 3: off your doorstep. You know you need to be you
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Speaker 3: need to develop the mindset actually commit violence, because that's
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Speaker 3: what it's gonna take to prevent violence. And then your
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Speaker 3: mindset changes, your the way you carry yourself, your posturing changes,
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Speaker 3: and you become less likely to be a victim. If
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Speaker 3: you look like you can, I can pick them out
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Speaker 3: of a lineup. I'll make eye contact with you. You're
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Speaker 3: way less likely to be a victim.
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Speaker 2: Thanks is always for coming in.
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Speaker 1: Charlie Strickland of the talent training group talentrange dot com