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Bonus Episode - Irish Artists, Def Leppard and Huey Lewis · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Discos, need a little more disgrace Land in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of disgrace Sland to the other, the backyard to
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  Speaker 1: dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are
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  Speaker 1: talking about this week's full episode subject then Lizzie. We
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  Speaker 1: also talked some def Leppard, Huey Lewis, Gene Hackman, Odell
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  Speaker 1: Beckham Junior, and I guarantee those are four names ever
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  Speaker 1: used together in the same sentence before. And we get
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  Speaker 1: into your voicemails, text DMS, emails and as.
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  Speaker 2: Always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, Discos, let's
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  Speaker 2: get into it.
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  Speaker 1: The song Jail break off of Din Lizzie's nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 1: six album the same name, is about as perfect a
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  Speaker 1: song as a leadoff track can get, I think. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: I listened to the song yesterday when I was working out,
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  Speaker 1: and I was immediately pushing myself harder. I was singing
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  Speaker 1: along in my backyard, likely annoying my neighbors. And don't
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  Speaker 1: get me wrong, the entire jail Break album by then
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  Speaker 1: Lizzie is great, but that leadoff track is fucking perfect.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 2: It sets the whole album up.
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  Speaker 1: It perfectly encapsulates what the band is about and what's
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  Speaker 1: in store for you, the listener for the next forty
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  Speaker 1: minutes or so. Thin Lizzie were a tough band to
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  Speaker 1: figure out. For me as a young metalhead, I missed
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  Speaker 1: their whole thing. I didn't get into him until I
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  Speaker 1: was an adult, you know. As a kid, of course,
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  Speaker 1: I saw the patches, I saw the pins, I saw
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  Speaker 1: the name the band in that iconic, big, bold white
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  Speaker 1: font on the black the image, of course, of Phil
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  Speaker 1: Linett stretched out on stage with his bass piercing upward
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  Speaker 1: from between his legs, his afro, his guitar players and
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  Speaker 1: their signature harmonized guitars. The Boys are back in town,
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  Speaker 1: also from Jailbreak. Massive song still is massive. I knew
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  Speaker 1: and loved it, of course, but it was, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: before my time, and it didn't compel me as a
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  Speaker 1: fourth grade kid to get on my mongoose and pedal
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  Speaker 1: down the kmart with my ten bucks or whatever to
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  Speaker 1: buy their record, and then figure out how to hold
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  Speaker 1: that record and the kmart bag properly over my handlebar
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  Speaker 1: as while still being able to balance and steer my
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  Speaker 1: way home to my shitty sears Bot stereo where I
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  Speaker 1: was indoubtedly listening to probably Van Hallen or Ozzy Osbourne.
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  Speaker 1: Then Lizzie predated MTV, which pretty much means they predated
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  Speaker 1: my Little kid Ears, but their influence did not predate
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  Speaker 1: some of MTV's leading artists. Hugh Lewis says, quote Phil
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  Speaker 1: Linett was the single greatest performer I've ever scene. He
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  Speaker 1: had incredible stage instincts. We opened for Thin Lizzy and
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  Speaker 1: I saw about fifty shows and they were incredible. Now
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  Speaker 1: you may be laughing at the idea of Huey Lewis's opinion,
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  Speaker 1: and you shouldn't. By the way, Hugh Lewis and the
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  Speaker 1: News both great, and you should look into their early days.
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  Speaker 1: Look a look at Clover and the connection to Elvis Costel.
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  Speaker 1: And my point is, you know, Heugh Lewis has been around,
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  Speaker 1: He's seen some stuff. So to call Phil Lynett the
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  Speaker 1: greatest performer he'd ever seen is saying something. But it
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  Speaker 1: was another musician from the early days of MTV who
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  Speaker 1: might have had a hand in actually breaking up Thin Lizzy,
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  Speaker 1: and that's Joe Elliott from the band def Leppard. We
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  Speaker 1: know def Leppard as the mid to late eighties MTV
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  Speaker 1: hair metal juggernaut with their monster album Hysteria, Huge, huge record,
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  Speaker 1: four hit singles off the top of my head, probably
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  Speaker 1: more actually pour some Sugar on Me, animal love bites,
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  Speaker 1: the title track Hysteria. I know I'm probably forgetting a few.
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  Speaker 1: This album was massive, it was huge. But the Deaf
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  Speaker 1: Leopard before Hysteria, the Deaf Leppard record before Hysteri. Pyromania
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  Speaker 1: was def Leppard's breakthrough, and it's it's kind of hard
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  Speaker 1: to understand now, but when Pyromania was released in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty three, it didn't sound like anything that hadn't released prior.
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  Speaker 1: It was produced by Mutt Lang, and Mutt was coming
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  Speaker 1: off the success of recording one of the biggest selling
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  Speaker 1: albums ever acdc's Back in Black, and Mutt was clearly
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  Speaker 1: feeling himself creatively in the studio with def Leppard. Because
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  Speaker 1: his recording of Pyromania was unconventional to say the least.
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  Speaker 1: He recorded the bass and guitars to a drum machine,
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  Speaker 1: not to the drums, which is unheard of, and then
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  Speaker 1: he essentially overdubbed the drums afterward. This is not how
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  Speaker 1: records are made. Typically, you start with the rhythm section.
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  Speaker 1: They typically record live the bass and the drums together,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, there's some overdubbing that happens, of course, But
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  Speaker 1: to record the bass to a click to a drum
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  Speaker 1: machine and not to drums, and then to record the
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  Speaker 1: guitars to that same drum machine and also not to drums,
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  Speaker 1: and then to essential overdubbed the drums afterward, again unheard of.
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  Speaker 1: But this technique allowed Mutt laying with def Leppards Pyromania
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  Speaker 1: to hyper focus on engineering a drum sound that was
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  Speaker 1: huge and that ultimately replaced the drum machine in the recording.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, I remember actually being really young, like fourth grade,
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  Speaker 1: fifth grade, and arguing with my father about this record.
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  Speaker 1: I swear to god, he hated it. He hated that
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  Speaker 1: the drums were so called fake, which is arguable. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, he hated it. In Puris Cradfoul, they said
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  Speaker 1: the album lacked feel. They said Pyromania was stiff. They
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  Speaker 1: said it was made by a machine. They said all
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  Speaker 1: the things grumpy old dudes say when they hear something
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  Speaker 1: new and unconventional.
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  Speaker 2: But what Phil line it from Thin.
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  Speaker 1: Lizzie heard when he heard def Leppards Pyromania was that
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  Speaker 1: he was going to have to break up his band
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  Speaker 1: and quit music. That's how discouraged Phil was after hearing
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  Speaker 1: this record. Phil believed he couldn't compete with def Leppard,
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  Speaker 1: and he believed that he that he couldn't compete with
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  Speaker 1: where popular.
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  Speaker 2: Music in general was going.
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  Speaker 1: That's how impactful the recording of def Leppards Pyromania was
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  Speaker 1: on Thin Lizzy. Now, this story of Phil hearing def
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  Speaker 1: Leppard's breakthrough album and then quitting has long been challenged
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  Speaker 1: as bullshit. Joe Elliott, singer of def Leppard Again, who
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  Speaker 1: loved Thinn Lizzie, has previously told the story from the
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  Speaker 1: perspective not of someone who's bragging, but from the perspective
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  Speaker 1: of someone who's supremely bummed out by his part in
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  Speaker 1: the breakup of one of his favorite bands. Understandably, this
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  Speaker 1: story pisses off Thin Lizzie, purist to whom def Leppard
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  Speaker 1: can't hold a Campbell, but just this past year, Vivian Campbell,
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  Speaker 1: another irishman and another musician, a musician who corroborated Joe
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  Speaker 1: Elliott's story, saying that he was there in the bathroom
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  Speaker 1: in a London night club in nineteen eighty two when
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  Speaker 1: Joe Elliott ran into Phil Line It for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: and Phil told Joe, after hearing an advanced copy of Pyromania,
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  Speaker 1: that he didn't see the point in Thin Lizzy going on,
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  Speaker 1: And he told Vivian that he didn't feel like Thinn
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  Speaker 1: Lizzie was relevant anymore and that he had to quote
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  Speaker 1: move over.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Do I believe Phil Lee had said this, Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: do believe it, But do I believe he meant it?
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  Speaker 3: Not?
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  Speaker 2: Really.
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  Speaker 1: I believe he was probably in that bathroom getting high,
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  Speaker 1: and that he had just previously heard something that had
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  Speaker 1: blown his mind and didn't know how to process it.
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  Speaker 2: I've been there before, creatively, I'm sure a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of you have as well, where you hear or
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  Speaker 1: read or see something so staggeringly new and exciting that
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  Speaker 1: it makes you want to quit, But sooner or later
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  Speaker 1: that discouragement turns into motivation, turns into inspiration. Phil was
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  Speaker 1: clouded by drugs at the time, and that was likely
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  Speaker 1: the bigger contributor to Tim Lizzie's breakup, bigger than Mutt
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  Speaker 1: Lang's innovative recording technique with def Lepperd's pyromania. But it
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  Speaker 1: makes for an interesting story, So there you go. You
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  Speaker 1: know what else is an interesting story. The news we
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  Speaker 1: got since the last time we talked on Gene Hackman.
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  Speaker 1: Turns out there was no foul play, which of course
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  Speaker 1: is a good thing. However, the details around Gene Hackman's
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  Speaker 1: death are strange, to say the least. Hackman's wife, Betsy Arakawa,
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  Speaker 1: dropped dead of am I, saying this correctly hand to
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  Speaker 1: virus hunt a virus hand to virus illness, which is
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  Speaker 1: a disease spread by rodents. Hackman, whose brain was ravaged
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  Speaker 1: by alzheimer, spent the next seven days after his wife died,
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  Speaker 1: roaming around his house with his wife lying on the
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  Speaker 1: bathroom floor, and Hackman then died old, alone and confused
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  Speaker 1: from heart failure, and at some point in that roughly
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  Speaker 1: week long window, their dog died on the premises as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's a brutally sad story.
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  Speaker 1: Less sad and more confusing is the recent news on
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  Speaker 1: Sean Diddy Combs. I'm not going to speculate here on
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  Speaker 1: this case anymore, because the only thing I'm willing to
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  Speaker 1: say that I know regarding this whole ordeal is that
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  Speaker 1: I don't know anything, and neither does anyone else.
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  Speaker 2: We have what seems to be.
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  Speaker 1: A pissed off judge, a defense attorney who recused himself,
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  Speaker 1: another attorney, Tony Busby, who has generated a lot of
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  Speaker 1: smoke and not a lot of fire. We've got a
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  Speaker 1: vindicated and now litigious jay Z, and some new bold
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: faced names have entered the chat. NFL player Odell Beckham Junior,
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  Speaker 1: he of the famous Justin Bieber TikTok video that may
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  Speaker 1: or may not be an aid fake but most certainly
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  Speaker 1: is an Aide fake video, and a former police chief
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  Speaker 1: who was named alongside Beckham and did Day as co conspirators.
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  Speaker 1: As of this recording, that police chief has not yet
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  Speaker 1: responded to the allegations, which is why I'm not using
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  Speaker 1: his name, and Odell Beckham Junior has adamantly denied the
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  Speaker 1: allegations against him. The woman accusing ode accusing Beckham, Ashley Parham,
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  Speaker 1: claims that he sexually assaulted her, gang raped her alongside
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  Speaker 1: Sean Diddy, Combs, and presumably others, and Odell Beckham has said,
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  Speaker 1: in response to the allegations against him, quote, I've been
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  Speaker 1: informed of the allegations about me in a suit. I
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  Speaker 1: really can't even believe that my name is mentioned in
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  Speaker 1: that matter. There's absolutely no truth to those allegations. I
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  Speaker 1: do not know and have never met the person that
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  Speaker 1: filed the suit. I was not anywhere near Orinda, California,
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  Speaker 1: Arnda Orinda, Rinda at that time. In fact, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I have ever been to that part of California.
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  Speaker 1: I have never done anything like that, and I would
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  Speaker 1: never do anything like that to anyone. I'm confident that
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  Speaker 1: these ridiculous claims against me will be dismissed unquote. Now
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  Speaker 1: it's important to note that the woman accusing Beckham here
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  Speaker 1: of gang raping her alongside Sean Combs is the same woman,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, who is claiming that Combs most definitely
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: had a hand in the murder of Tupac Shakur as well.
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: And it should be noted that these accusations are not
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  Speaker 1: at this time part of the federal case being brought
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  Speaker 1: against Combs in a trial set to start at the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of may, so take them with a grain of sault.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I guess that's the only thing I know.
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  Speaker 2: And this whole wild, wild story.
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  Speaker 1: That we've been trying to unpack for the last year
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: before it goes to trial, the only thing I know
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  Speaker 1: regarding Sean Diddy Combs for sure is that we need
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  Speaker 1: to take all of these allegations with a grain of assault.
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  Speaker 1: Are these accusations true? Nobody but the accuser and the accused. No,
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: TikTok doesn't know Diddley squat as they say, But hey,
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  Speaker 1: feel free to spend endless hours on the platform trying
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: to figure out what's real and what's conspiracy. And speaking
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: speaking of conspiracy, our own Bill Murray. That's right, I'm
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: claiming Bill Murray for disgrace line our own Bill Murray,
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: who we covered a couple months ago. Bill Murray went
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: on Joe Rogan last week and blasted fame journalist Bob
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: he in the Washington Post, who famously brought down Richard
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: Nixon as part of his investigative journalism efforts surrounding the
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: infamous Watergate break in and cover up. Now, Watergate is
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: the story that made Bob Woodward. It's the reason Bob
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: Woodward is celebrated as one of, if not the most
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: successful journalists of all time. After Woodward, who, by the way,
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: before becoming a journalist was an intelligence officer. Weird career trajectory,
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: by the way, intelligence officer to journalists, given the intelligence
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  Speaker 1: officers live for a living and journalists are supposed to
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  Speaker 1: seek the truth. Anyway, after Woodward wrote All the President's
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  Speaker 1: Men with his partner Carl Bernstein, who it should be noted,
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: was a rock journalist for Rolling Stone before landing.
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  Speaker 2: At the Washington Post.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, after those two unlikely Pulitzer Prize winners wrote All
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  Speaker 1: the President's Men, Bob Woodward wrote a book about John Belushi.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Murray, who of course was close with John Belushi,
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  Speaker 1: who knew John Belushi well, who knew those around John Belushi.
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  Speaker 1: When Bill Murray read Woodward's book Belushi, Bill Murray said
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  Speaker 1: he began to believe that Woodward, again a former intelligence officer,
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  Speaker 1: could have framed Richard Nixon. That's how full of shit
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  Speaker 1: Bill Murray believes Bob Woodward is based on the lies
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  Speaker 1: Woodward printed in his book on Bill Murray's friend John Belushi.
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  Speaker 1: This is fascinating to me, fascinating stuff, Okay, especially since
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  Speaker 1: the rumors coming out of Washington at the moment, at
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  Speaker 1: least on X about what's in the JFK files that
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: in some ways the secrets they're trying to protect in
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: those files relate to Richard Nixon, and that that's in
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  Speaker 1: part why the files are not being disclosed right now
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  Speaker 1: in a timely manner, as has been requested by the
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  Speaker 1: current White House.
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  Speaker 2: All I gotta say is you go, Bill.
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  Speaker 1: Murray, call bullshit on the bullshit or smearing Belushi. I
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  Speaker 1: love this all right.
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  Speaker 2: You know what else?
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  Speaker 1: I love talking to you guys, And in light of
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  Speaker 1: our recent Thin Lizzy episode, we are going to be
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  Speaker 1: talking about your favorite Irish bands, your favorite Irish artists.
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me coming up and just a moment, But first
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  Speaker 1: I want to tell you about next week episode on
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  Speaker 1: drum Roll. Please George Michael. We're going from an irishman
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  Speaker 1: to a Greek god. We were talking earlier about early
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  Speaker 1: MTV stars and George Michael was one of the biggest.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're listening to this upcoming episode, I want
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  Speaker 1: you to be thinking about those early days at MTV
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  Speaker 1: and which early era MTV artist was Slash is your favorite?
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  Speaker 2: Is it George Michael? Is it Adam Ann?
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  Speaker 1: Is it Debbie Harry Madonna, Cindy Laupper, Michael, Prince, Petty,
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  Speaker 1: so many to choose from. This is going to be
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  Speaker 1: the question of the week. Which eighties MTV star is
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  Speaker 1: your fave? Call me six one seven, nine oh six
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  Speaker 1: six sixty three eight to let me know if you
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  Speaker 1: a voicemail or text or hit me up at Disgrace
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  Speaker 1: lampod on the Socials, all right, before I forget more
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  Speaker 1: Irishman coming up before George Michael. We got you two
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  Speaker 1: in your feed right after this episode in the rewind
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  Speaker 1: slot YouTube next and then, like I said, George Michael
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  Speaker 1: coming up after that next week. I'll be back in
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  Speaker 1: a flash right after this with your voicemails, your texts,
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  Speaker 1: your DMS emails and more.
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  Speaker 2: We are back.
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  Speaker 1: And just a quick reminder to make sure you Apple
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  Speaker 1: podcast listeners have auto downloads turned on so that you're
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  Speaker 1: not missing any episodes. All right, six one seven, nine
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  Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight to leave me a
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  Speaker 1: voicemail or send me a text. With Ireland's favorite sons. Then,
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  Speaker 1: Lizzie being this week's new episode subject, we asked you
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  Speaker 1: the question of which Irish artist is your favorite? Saint
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Patrick's Day is coming up. There is a reason we
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  Speaker 1: did this.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go, Hi.
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  Speaker 4: Great, This is Dodie Rose from the two oh six
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  Speaker 4: with Seattle. I'm calling because my favorite band is you
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  Speaker 4: two Irish or not, They're just straight up my favorite band.
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  Speaker 4: I grew up here in Seattle during grunge and it
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  Speaker 4: was bleak. It was dark, depressing and dirty, and you
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  Speaker 4: two offered me something different. They were bright and colorful
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  Speaker 4: and really sexy and well and frankly grunge. Grunge is
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  Speaker 4: not sexy at all, and so YouTube was something different,
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  Speaker 4: something bright and colorful. You two also offered something very different,
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  Speaker 4: which was a sense of hope for a depressed kid
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  Speaker 4: like me. I didn't really need any help being angsty.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't need any help being depressed, and so YouTube
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  Speaker 4: was something that was hopeful. When people say that music
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  Speaker 4: saved lives, they usually meet people like me, and in
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  Speaker 4: the case of you two, they it's actually millions of people.
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  Speaker 1: Doty, thank you so much for the for the passionate
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  Speaker 1: you too love there and that voice back. I can
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  Speaker 1: hear you get an emotional there at the end, and
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  Speaker 1: I know that feeling. I know what it's like to
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  Speaker 1: feel feel alone as a kid and to feel like
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  Speaker 1: someone out there, you know, someone inside your speakers, someone
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  Speaker 1: on the other side of the television screen or whatever
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  Speaker 1: hears you, understands you and knows where you're coming from.
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  Speaker 1: And I get why that's emotional. I've certainly felt that
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  Speaker 1: in my life before, and I know most people listening
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  Speaker 1: right now have felt that. I know that's why people
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  Speaker 1: are listening because music is so so so meaningful to them,
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  Speaker 1: and especially from music from our formative years. And I
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: love the way you frame you too as being light
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  Speaker 1: during the darkness, and I think you too gets They
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  Speaker 1: get thought of from the era just before grunge, but
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: they were certainly still part of that era, and they
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  Speaker 1: didn't really play into what was going on up in Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't try nicking it really. I mean, they definitely
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: went in a different direction than they were going in
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  Speaker 1: on Rattle and Hum, But you two always kind of
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  Speaker 1: switched it up album to album and had different influences
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  Speaker 1: that were part of their and part of their image,
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  Speaker 1: and they weren't just doing the same thing over and
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  Speaker 1: over again. But you're right that Hope has always been there.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: That light has always been there, and yeah, that sexiness
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: is there is there too, and it certainly was not
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: there for the most part in grunge. So love this voicemail.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Tody Rose, appreciate you. Hope you're doing well. All right,
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  Speaker 1: let's hear from Jenny in Boston.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, this is Jenny from Boston and I'm calling in
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  Speaker 3: with two of my favorite musical acts from Ireland. One
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  Speaker 3: favorite band Stiff Little Fingers, absolutely adacious, got that punk undertone,
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  Speaker 3: everything about it, rebellious spirit, just makes you want to
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  Speaker 3: grab the day and go with it. Second single musician
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  Speaker 3: Toinead O'Connor, graceful, beautiful voice of an angel rested in peace.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Jenny.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely love Stiff Little Fingers. And you know what I
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: love about Stiff Little Fingers. I love to say nothing
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: of the band's music. I love the little bit that
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  Speaker 1: they have in the movie High Fidelity when the Green
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  Speaker 1: Day fan, the young girl come, I forget her the
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  Speaker 1: actor's name.
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  Speaker 2: She's great.
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  Speaker 1: When she comes into the store, she wants to buy
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Green Day record, and the record the record store snob
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: is kind of into her and he's like, yeah, yeah,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: that's that's cool. Have you ever heard stiff Little fingers?
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And of course she hasn't any place stiff little fingers
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: for her, and you can hear the Green Day influence.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought that was so smartly done. I really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate the message. Thanks for reminding me of that, Jenny.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you up in Boston. Six one seven nine oh
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: six six six three eight. If you guys want to
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: connect with me on anything, Irish bands, Irish artists, whatever
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  Speaker 1: you want to talk about it, I'm here for it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Two o six right saying hey, thank you for putting
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  Speaker 1: out amazing content and engaging with your audience like this.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I'm a listener from the beginning and I'm constantly telling
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  Speaker 1: my friends and family about it, whether they want to
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: hear it or not. Thanks so much, you got a
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: two o six three oh two rights in hey, omg
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Nita Huey Lewis episode right now. Perhaps perhaps five three
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  Speaker 1: zero been a bit, but best Irish band the Pogues,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: perhaps they're English as well.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: The Cranberrys would be a distant second. Cheers.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Pogues were English, but McGowan was his family was from Ireland,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess we can count it to one.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Cranberry's because Doloris Aarriarden was so fucking hot.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I miss seeing de Lauris are Rearden at a studio.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I was working at Camp Street in Cambridge, Mass long
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: long time ago. I missed her by about five minutes.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: That happens, and uh yeah, oh well, but yeah she
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: was good looking. I don't think of her as hot
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: talented sure, five oh three, writes in Jake in Beautiful Disgrace,
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  Speaker 1: I suggest these prompts June Carter, Pussy Riot, Bonnie Rait, Tina,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Marie Courtney, Love, Billie Holiday, Lisa Suckdog. If you've covered them,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Mia culpa, if not, start getting excited. If you these
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  Speaker 1: badass bitches and if the law never found them, crimes
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: happed in ways that weren't told, because what's the angle
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and who's curating and editing the stories they get told?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: You're a force of good. Keep up the humble acknowledgment
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: of the work yet to be done, Love signed five
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  Speaker 1: oh three, female identified using my words. Finally, person who
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  Speaker 1: keeps tuning in well, well well, five oh three I
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  Speaker 1: love it. June Carter, we did a Johnny Cash episode,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: but yeah, a June Carter point of view episode would
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: be great. Pussy riot duh. Of course, yes, although do
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I want to throw my hat into anything vaguely political
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: right now? And the answer to that is no, So
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna pause on that. Bonnie Ray, Okay, I'm listening,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Tina Marie. I love that idea.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Courtney Love.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: We could do a Courtney Love focused episode. We did
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a curt and Courtney two parter that's back in the archive.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Check that out. Billie Holiday, we did an episode on
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Billie Holiday. It's fantastic. Check that out five oh three
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and Lisa suck Dog. I don't know who that is,
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  Speaker 1: so hit me back and let me know. Nicky Cooney
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: dms us on Facebook, Hey Thin, Lizzie are in a
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: category of their own. When I was twelve, my cousins
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: bought jailbreak for me at Christmas. This is my favorite
• 21:09
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  Speaker 2: Nicky.
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  Speaker 2: All right, good job, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: Harris writes in jail Break is a perfect song, no fat,
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  Speaker 2: Mike, You're absolutely right. Thank you.
• 21:26
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• 21:28
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• 21:31
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• 21:33
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• 21:35
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• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Over on Instagram, JQ writes, there are some great Irish
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: band Stiff Little Fingers, the Undertones, the Cranberries, and the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: saw Doctors, to name a few. I can't narrow it
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: down to one favorite because it depends if I'm feeling punky,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: rocky folk. You're a little bit of everything. I've not
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: included the Pokes because they aren't technically all Irish, but
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: rules are bent.
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