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Here's Joe B and the Triple b Hey Andrew Deane house things in Texas.
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Everything is going to hail down here in Dustice, jes Joe and Joey
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your Joby and Joey Rock Joggy Yoo rat Shine here and yeah and here we
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go and here we go. Yay, Joe wasn't muted this time? What's
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up? Everybody? Welcome to the show. This is episode number two hundred
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and eighty seven, two eight seven on a mother Cop. That's right,
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what up? What up? This is the h the Garrison Grifter. Yeah,
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this one's all about Perry Russo and uh, we're definitely gonna get into
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him. We're gonna be doing some deep clay shawesque dives into Perry Russo and
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uh, Joe, you have a change of scenery behind you. My friend,
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I do. I was waiting for you to like do your little squint
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with one eye and give me a description like the and beast in the Northeast
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or yeah, I don't know where you're at now, so you're not in
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the hill hills of the Catskills. I am not. I am back in
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reality and society unfortunately, and I had a great welcome back you. But
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we you know, might be going out of reality with some hypnosis later in
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the episode, so you never know. Yes, we have a little Theater
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of the Mind session that we will be performing for you here this evening,
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so make sure you stay tuned for that. John and Jack coming through with
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the super chats early before the show even starts. Thank you fellas, you
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are the best. And looks like we got a full house in the comments
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section tonight, Joe. We got all the rags, the rags, the
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regulars. I love it, and some new faces. I see trays back
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from the dark side. What's up? Read Phillips Sally out for sixty six.
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That's Mike. What's up? Big Mike? Got James south to West
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Bungles in the house up Bungold. I know. I saw Colleen the Rocket
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Queen in there. Somewhere there she is. That's right, gardening guns.
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Yes, good to see you. We're not over there watching that horse.
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Nonsense. Uh, Claude is in the house, Say what's up to Anthony
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Dean? Yeah yeah, And Tiny Dancer was first, I think, and
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Trey Yeah, I'm pretty sure she was in there. We just have to
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scroll back a bit I did. Oh ope, so uh yeah, I
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hope everyone's having a good night tonight. And uh oh well, thank you,
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Red And yes, mister Edwards, everything is going to hell all down
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in Texas for sure. And Canton, Ohio, yes, oh wow.
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And Canton Boston or Canton Australia. Who knows anywhere named Canton has got to
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be close to hell. Yeah, no matter which state it's in or country.
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Yeah, there's a big true crime case going on in Boston Canton police
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department. Some girl that ran over her boyfriend is now saying conspiracy within the
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police department because her husband, her boyfriend, was a cop. It's a
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mess. It's a mess. Oh well, dude, I watched this thing
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on Netflix last night, and sorry, I haven't had Netflix in a while
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because they were assholes and raised the price and so I quit for a while,
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but now I'm back. But I watched this true crime documentary. It
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was the Gone Girl kidnapping that happened, like was it seven eight years ago
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in Vallejo, California. This woman was like kidnapped out of her bed in
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the middle of the night. They tied up her boyfriend, drugged him,
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and they kidnapped her. And it was and the cops didn't believe her.
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They didn't believe her boyfriend. First they tried to de pen it on him,
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and then she shows up a couple of days later alive, and they
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were trying to say it was a hoax and all this stuff, and then
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they actually, well I won't I won't ruin it. But if you haven't
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watched it out there, it's freaking crazy. It blew my mind and I
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I enjoyed. But uh yeah, your boy, your boy gets down with
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the true crime sometimes too, when he runs out of jef case stuff to
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listen to it. You know, sometimes you need a little switch up,
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not that like, you know, I'm a sucker for the first forty eight.
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If that thing comes on the first forty eight, I think there's a
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channel where it's just like twenty four hour loop I'm in, I get sucked
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in. But al right, American Nightmare, Sally, that was the name
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of it. American Nightmare, thank you. Yes, I'll have to watch
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that later. Cantons in China apparently, I guess that's why you can speak
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Cantonese in China. Right, all right, So last episode, mister Rob
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did a cool history fact of where he was from Fact Friday. Yes,
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fun fact Friday. We gotta get an audio for fun fact Friday. Fine,
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I have one next week. Okay, cool, We will accept submissions
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for that. But since Rob did his area last week, I figure I
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would do it this week. And I was kind of concerned because he had
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a really good one. But I found something really cool. So on May
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third, the road to glory in a patriot army in a free country is
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thus open to all, said George Washington when he created the Badge of Military
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Merit, which he first awarded today in seventeen eighty three to Too Brave enlisted
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Connecticut soldiers at the Continental Army Headquarters in Newburgh, New York. I drove
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past that bridge when I came back from the mountains. Prior to this,
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awards for military distinction had been granted almost exclusively by Congress to military officers Washington
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for forcing the British to evacuate Boston, Hiratio Gates victory at Saratoga, Nathaniel
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Green's victories in the Southern Campaign. The only non commissioned non officers awarded medals
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were the three enlisted men who had captured the spy John Andre, which exposed
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the British plan to take over West Point and execute Washington with help with the
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trader Benedict Arnold. And if you guys ever seen that show Turn Washington Spies,
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it's a really good one, and that goes through a lot of the
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details of Washington's spy network that he created. But the final years of the
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Revolutionary War, which ended in September seventeen eighty three, had been particularly grueling
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for American soldiers. A frustrating lack of progress regarding peace talks followed the seventeen
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eighty one American victory at Yorktown. The original badge of military merit, as
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described in Washington's General Orders, was a heart shaped badge of purple cloth.
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Only one surviving example still exists in the world. Well, I'm gonna bring
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it up here and it's pinned on George Washington's underwear. You know what,
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I don't know where it is right there by his naughty bits. So this
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is it? Does that look like anything interesting? All right? So I'm
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gonna continue reading here. On May third, seventeen eighty three, Washington awarded
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the badge to Ellija Churchill of Enfield and William Brown of Stamford, Connecticut,
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rob about five miles from me. Churchill was a sergeant in the second Regiment
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of Dragoons and was recognized for his bravery and two daring raids in New York,
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one on Long Island and the other near Terrytown, New York, which
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I went to a wedding last weekend in Terrytown, so this is very closest
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to home. Is believed to have earned the badge for valor exhibited during the
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Battle of Yorktown. A third Connecticut man, Daniel Bissel, no connection to
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with your basil of East Windsor, which is a little north, was the
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only other known recipient of the Badge of Military Merit, and he received that
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in seventeen eighty three or one as well, but it went out of it
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wasn't awarded for a long time. But the Badge of Military Merit was revived
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in nineteen thirty two, the year of Washington's two hundredth birthday, by General
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Douglas MacArthur, who wanted to honor Washington's memory. The new medal, a
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heart shaped medal featuring a profile of George Washington amid a purple enameled backdrop,
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was designed as a tribute to both the original Revolutionary War badge and Washington himself.
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Considered to be one of the highest honors in the United States military,
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it is now awarded by the President of the United States to any active service
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member wounded in battle. So next, I have a cool picture I'm going
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to show you, and that is bron Did you know there's another Joseph Burley
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happens to be my grandfather who I'm named after, and this is his purple
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heart. The Badge of Military Merit became the Purple Heart as you could see
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the image I previously shown, and this is actually a picture of my grandfather's.
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It came in a really nice yeah that container, my dad has it
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now, but hopefully I'll get that one day. And it's really cool because
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you know, he went through France, Belgium, Holland and Germany. My
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grandfather had one as well. That's awesome. Yeah, so that it came
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to be the Purple Heart. And it was first awarded on May third,
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seventeen eighty three to somebody from Connecticut. Yeah. Well that that's where they
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called the Spy although John Andre but yeah, it was people from Connecticut.
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I guess the first people that were non That wasn't George Washington or Horseho Gates
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or the other general got it. It was like the first regular people see
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related to Benjamin Gates. I don't know, but I hope you guys like
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that. Yes, are youngy Ben Gates Bill Gates's dad? I'm joking.
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No name sounds really cool, man, it sounds really no treasure, Nick
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Cage. Oh there you go. Day. So I hope you guys enjoyed
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that. Yes, that was a fantastic Friday, fun Fact Friday from Joe
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BURRELLI and his purple egg plant, I mean purple heart. All right,
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Perry Russo, Folks, this is afk Assassination podcast. We digress, but
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Perry Russo, Okay. Perry Raymond Rousseau was born in May of nineteen forty
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one and he died in nineteen ninety five August to be exact, and at
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the time of the assassination. He was an American insurance salesman who became the
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key witness for the prosecution in the trial of Clay Shaw in New Orleans in
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nineteen sixty nine. Russo claimed that in September of nineteen sixty three, he
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witnessed businessman and civic leader Clay Shaw conspiring with Lee Harvey, I. Oswald
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and David Ferry to assassinate US President John F. Kennedy allegedly now Russo,
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like I said, was an insurance salesman from Baton Rouge. He had attended
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Tulane University, received a bachelor's degree from Loyola New Orleans in nineteen sixty four,
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and attended one year of law school at Loyola Loiola. It isn't be
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a difficult one for me. He moved away from New Orleans in September nineteen
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sixty three. Russo came forward after his friend David Ferry died on February twenty
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second, So, five days after Dave Ferry died, Perry Russo comes forward
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while being investigated by New Orleans attorney Jim Garrison in regard to Kennedy's death and
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Ford television and newspaper interviews that Russo gave. He talked at Linked about Fairy
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and he said that Ferry had told him about a month before the assassination,
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we will get him and it won't be long. And on another occasion,
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you know, we can get Kennedy if we want it. Now, I'm
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gonna play you a little clip of said television interview and uh, hopefully,
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I know the audio is a little low, but hopefully y'all can hear it.
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H Okay, it would appear that nobody can hear it. I had
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to turn it way up in my monitors to hear it. And I can
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hear it just fine. But can I try something? Sure? Okay,
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let me know. Late September or October, fascination Dave. I come over
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house on several instances, and I went to his place and just passed,
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and he made specific references and talking about can He said, we will get
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him and it won't be very long. Now. The last time I can
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remember him saying that was sometime in October. But he was obsessed with that
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idea. He ever mentioned Lee Harvey Oswall you no conversation all about it.
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I had never heard of Osball until the television was as Festinator, why have
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you never said anything about just before? It didn't then it strike you as
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well when the assassination, of course caught he by surprise and caught everyone else.
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I would give when it finally was over on the Warren report. Warren
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Commission was set up, and it tended to go examine all the details,
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and they claimed that it was going to do everything extensively. Then I left
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it to the professionals and they were supposed to come up with a verdict.
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Then they came up with a verdict. Alswall was the only man, so
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I forgot it. Then Jarathon began his pros and such point that got the
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newspapers in New Orleans and then later on television everywhere. And in that probe
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he said that there was a conspiracy. He could prove it if Bill didn't
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ring a bell anywhere along the line. I just it was far from me
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that I would have, you know, ever have met a person I would
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have been a consider to the President of the United States. Thereafter, when
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Dave Ferry died, uh the name, I still doubted if it was the
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same guy. This just another day, sir. But when I saw a
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picture in the paper and I knew it was the same man, and I
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adjusted, just as well play something to someone, and I wrote this return
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the next day, and he should have gotten his Friday, and I saw
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the pictures this week. You haven't talked with any Sebuale agents or anybody.
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No warrant for me, No, no one's contacted me. Actually, the
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first time I made a remark about this was today and to anyone in public.
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All right, Yeah, so there's a Perry Raymond Russo. That was
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a video interview he did a month after David Ferry died. But as you
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heard him say, he had heard David Ferry passed away. And then he
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wrote a letter to Jim Garrison supposedly the next day, letting him know what
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what he allegedly witnessed or was a party two back in nineteen sixty three.
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Now, Russeau was interviewed in Garrison's office on February twenty second or twenty seventh,
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I'm sorry. Russo described a roommate of fairies in New Orleans as having
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a sort of dirty blond hair and a husky beard, A typical beatnik,
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extremely dirty and when Rousseau was shown a picture of Oswald, he said that
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Oswald was the person whom Ferry had introduced him as his roommate sometime between May
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and October of nineteen sixty three. Now, folks, we all know this
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can't be our hapless Patsy Lee Oswald. His whereabouts are spoken for between May
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and October of nineteen sixty three. So if, and that's a big if,
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Perry Russo met somebody that he was introduced to as Leon Oswald, it
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was definitely not our hapless Patsy. It was I've heard, possibly Carrie Thornley,
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possibly William Seymour, possibly Lauren Hall, who knows, but I digress.
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When shown a picture of Shawl, Russo said he saw him and Ferry
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talking in a car at Ferry's service station, but still Russo said nothing about
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Shawl or Oswald at that time conspiring with Ferry to murder Kennedy. Russo added
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that if he were hypnotized, he may have total recall on names and places
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and dates. So Garrison arranged to have Russo interrogated three times while hypnotized,
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the first time, also under an injection of sodium penththal, known popularly as
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truth Serum. Now, Russo described a conspiracy plot with Shawl using the alias
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bertrand in a rightful toading Leon Oswald at Ferry's apartment when Russo was visiting in
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mid September of sixty three. Russo said, Fairry told him, we are
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going to kill John F. Kennedy and it won't be long. Now,
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mid September sixty three is a good time to be seeing Lee Oswald because his
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whereabouts in September sixty three are the most murky that we have as far as
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his exact whereabouts and what he was doing. Yeah, Mexico City, the
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Sylvia Odio, but that wasn't until the end of September, right, you
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know, There's a lot of questions to what he was doing at home month.
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He definitely wasn't working anywhere. Was the Clinton Louisiana in August or September?
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I think it was late August or early September, So, okay,
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we did that. So Shaw apparently had a preliminary hearing on March fifteenth,
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nineteen sixty seven, where Russo repeated the claims that he made under hypnosis when
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asked on cross examination why he had not gone to the authorities two months after
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the alleged meeting, Russo said, I had an involvement with school and that
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was more important to me. That's setting the record street. Russo named two
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witnesses who could collaborate his story of attending a party at Ferries apartment in sixty
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September sixty three. The first was Russo's former girlfriend, who appeared on an
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NBC News program about the Garrison investigation on June nineteen sixty seven, and guess
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what, Joe What. She denied being at Fairiy's apartment to witness this meeting,
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marcol Yeah, and said that she had never even met Fairry until nineteen
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sixty five. The second, a friend of Russo's, told NBC News that
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he was at Fairiy's apartment then but saw nobody resembling or named Oswald or Shawl
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or bertrand So. Russeau failed two polygraph examinations ordered by Garrison on March eighth
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and June nineteenth of nineteen sixty seven, and during the second when he confessed
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to the polygraph operator that his story was not true. Walter Sheridan, a
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former FBI agent and aide to Bobby Kennedy, who was investigating the Garrison accusations
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for NBC News reported in my conversations with Perry Russo. He has stated that
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in his preliminary hearing testimony against clay Shaw it may have been a combination of
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truth, fantasy, and lies. He says he wishes he had never gotten
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into this, but now he feels he has no choice but to go through
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with it. He said he's afraid if he changed his testimony, the Garrison
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would indict him for perjury. Russo said, the hell with the truth,
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the hell with justice. You're asking me to sacrifice myself for clay Shaw,
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and I won't do it. So you know, just a little bit more
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about Russo's character. In August of nineteen seventy, Perry Russo and another man
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was arrested for burglarising a New Orleans residence, stealing property valued at eight thousand
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dollars in nineteen seventy money, which is a lot, and being in possession
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of a stolen safe deposit key. Garrison's office declined to prosecute on the burglary
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and theft charges. Russo pled guilty to possessing a stolen key and was given
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a three month suspended sentence for his service to the Garrison investigation, Thank you,
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sir. In nineteen seventy one, two years after Shaw's not guilty verdict,
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Rude Russo Russo told one of Shaw's lawyers that he never saw Shaw at
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Ferry's apartment and that Garrison's office had done a complete brainwashing job on him.
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In his second tape, recorded an interview with a former Garrison investigator in two
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of Shaw's attorneys, Russo spoke of Garrison and his staff telling him before the
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trial that they had a contract with Life magazine for twenty five thousand dollars and
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that after the Shaw conviction they would either get give that to me or see
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somehow that I got ate a lot of it for my trouble. Russo also
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said, I guess I always knew that Sean had nothing to do with anything,
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but the others Russeo confirmed or continued to assert that he had seen Fairry
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Sean Oswald conspiring to kill President Kennedy. Journalist James Feelin, who covered the
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Garrison investigation for The Saturday Evening Post, later explain this. Russeo had told
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me in March sixty seven that he was caught in the middle of this thing.
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That if he stuck to his story, Shaw and his friends and lawyers
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would collabor him. If he changed his story, and then Garrison would charge
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him with perjury and Chuck there would go his job with equitable life. He
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told me all he was concerned about was his own position and work in a
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livelihood, and that he wished he'd never opened his mouth about this mess and
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wished he could go back to the day before he shot off his mouth up
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in Baton. Rouge'll get we'll get into the lawyers of Clay Shaw and what
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Perry Russo's visit to them in nineteen seventy one and what he told them a
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little later. And now I'm going to turn it over to Joe and we're
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going to find out a little bit more about perryimoned Russo. Yeah. Sure,
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So I'm just going to read a little excerpt from Jim Garrison on the
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Trails of the Assassin from nineteen eighty eight. And you know, Russo was
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obviously are one of Jim Garrison's star witnesses, so he was obviously very bullish
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on him in a sense. And I think we'll let you decide Russou was
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significant, Garrison said, because he was the first eye witness to have overheard
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Shaw and Ferry engaging in the discussion of the perspective murder of John Kennedy.
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In my judgment, even without Russo, we had sufficient evidence to support a
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charge against Shaw of participating in the conspiracy to murder the president, but that
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evidence since evidence was circumstantial. As an experienced trial attorney, I knew that
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laymen are particularly responsive to eyewitness testimony, and Russo provided that in full measure.
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Consequently, upon first learning how strong the conversation between Shaw and Ferry was,
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I decided to take additional precaution of confirming the veracity of Russo's recollection.
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The lawyers on the special team and I considered using a lie detector test,
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but since such tests are highly imperfect and inadmissible in court, we rejected the
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idea. Instead, we chose to use hypnosis and sodium penththro all Okay truth
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zerum. Both treatments were administered to Russo under a close medical supervision, and
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both revealed that Russo was indeed telling the truth, says Garrison. So when
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we called Perry Russo to the witness stand at Shaw's preliminary hearing, we were
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confident after the usual preliminary questions, bringing out his background, allowing him to
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relax in the courtroom surroundings. Assistant da Ward and Oser asked Russo about a
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gathering at David Ferry's apartment. Russo responded that when he dropped in at David
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Ferry's place somewhere around the middle of September sixty three, an informal gathering which
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he described as quotations, some sort of party. I bet it was,
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was just breaking up. Some of Fairy's usual bevy of youngsters were there,
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but soon left, Russo said. A former girlfriend of his, Sandra Moffat,
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was also there for a while. After she departed, they remained,
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according to Russou, a scattering of anti Castro Cubans, a group which occasionally
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came by to visit Ferry. Occasionally a few of them stayed on for a
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little while. Understatement of the year. So that is what Jim Garrison had
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to say about Perry Brusso. And obviously he is what'd you say? I
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can't repeat it fear of demonetization, yes Lam and indeed, and yeah,
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he was driving a cab in New Orleans and Rob and I were talking about
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this pret in New Orleans. This was in nineteen nineties. He was driving
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a cab somewhere and there was he was he was being interviewed while he's driving
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this cab. It was a funny thing. And I looked and scoured YouTube
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and Google and it's gone. It's on. It may be a smaller part
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of a bigger conspiracy documentary, but if anybody knows where it is, help
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some brothers out and uh and let us know. Yes, please, I
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want to say it might be on that one that's at the end of the
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JFK movies. It's called Beyond Conspiracy. But I just don't know. You
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know, it's hard to scour an hour and a half conspiracy documentary without really
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even knowing if what you're looking for is in there. So if anybody knows
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what's up, Roger our Man's here. Yeah. Well, Colleen, if
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you do have it saved, uh, you know where to email it the
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Lone Government Podcast at gmail dot com. And if you do it quickly,
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we might even be able to open it up. You gotta give us some
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time to find it. I know we wing it, so we do.
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We do, yeah, because there's nothing more we love than hanging out with
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our friends on a Friday night fun tract Friday, silly Friday. What's the
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other Friday term? T G I Friday t g I f LG t LG.
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All right, so I mentioned before when reached Perry Raymond Russo, he
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actually had a whole book written about him by Patrician Lambert called false Witness because
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this is what makes it so easy to dismiss the Garrison investigation. And this
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is and Jim Garrison's got nobody to blame but himself, folks, for hanging
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his hat on Perry Russo now and a lot of other witnesses that had questionable
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history, right, well, doctor questionable histories. I mean, this guy
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was pretty bona fide him. He's an insurance salesman, he's a college graduate,
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he's going to Loyola for law. But he's a complete nutter nut job
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only twenty five too, right, So you know, who knows why?
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Maybe somebody dared him to write a letter to Garrison and say that he knew
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Faery. I don't know, because this either happened or he just made it
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all up. There is no in between. He didn't just kind of know
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something. He was either there and he was introduced to shawl and Oswald and
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Faery one of fairies parties. You know, lots of uppers and poppers and
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hoofers and stag films going around one on every wall playing something will be flying
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any immortal words of David And if you'd like to know what that is,
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go listen to quick Hits. But speaking of hypnosis, Rob and I have
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a little you want to do that? Now we'll get there. Let me
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hit what he told Shaw's lawyers here real quick afterwards, because like I said,
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Russo is really really not credible when he's going he's straddling both sides of
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the defense. Here. He's telling some people he made everything up and he
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regrets doing anything, but then he tells other people this really happened. So
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he wasn't very credible to the jury obviously in the Shaw trial, and they
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picked him apart. And in nineteen seventy one January twenty seventh, Perry Raymond
34:04
Russo came to our office last night at seven o'clock sharp by pre arrangement.
34:12
And this memo comes from the files of Edward Wegman, who was one of
34:15
Clay Shaw's attorneys. I told him I wanted the whole truth about what went
34:20
on, and gave him my promise that I would not put him in the
34:23
middle if he gave me the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so
34:28
help him Jesus. Whereupon he agreed to do so, first of all,
34:34
and answer to my question as to whether he now thinks that Clay Shaw was
34:37
the man in Ferry's apartment, he said absolutely not. I then asked him
34:44
whether he was ever positive that Shaw was the man, and he said not
34:50
really. He said that after he had talked to the news media in Baton
34:53
Rouge, Schamberg came up to see him, and he did not mention clay
34:59
Shaw to she Ambre at the time. Further, he knew nothing about a
35:02
second memorandum that Shamber had written, and when he got down here to New
35:09
Orleans, before any hypnosis or true serum, he made it clear to them
35:14
that there was grave doubt in his mind as to the identity of Clay Shaw,
35:22
and say that is the man you saw there. Shamber said the same
35:27
thing as he showed Shawl to Russo through the two way mirror. An answer
35:32
to my question, Russeo said that he feels it is entirely possible that the
35:37
man whom he identified the man whom he identified could be Guy Banister and not
35:44
Clay Shaw okay. Russo described his conditioning by the d a's office as a
35:51
complete brainwashing job. He said that he was constantly being told, particularly by
35:57
Andrew Sambra, this is the man you all, and finally got in a
36:01
position where he just couldn't deny it. Excuse me, Russe, who also
36:07
said the DA's office was making every effort to pin two murder charges on Shawl.
36:15
Thank you, Trey, appreciate it, buddy, you are the fu
36:21
man. Thank you so much. Those being the killing of a fourteen or
36:28
fifteen year old boy of the name Jimmy Rupp and the death of doctor Mary
36:34
Sherman on Saint Charles Avenue, which is interesting. Very yes, very parry
36:44
yes. He said that both of these people belonged to a sex club Joe
36:54
uh and said that at one point the question was asked by someone in the
36:59
DA's office do we have enough evidence to convict Shawl in these cases? Russo
37:04
said that he couldn't believe what he was hearing, for the reason he knew
37:07
there was no evidence to connect shaw with those cases. Except as belonging to
37:13
a sex club. There was also some talk about penning a third murder on
37:17
clay Shaw, but he doesn't remember the name in that case either. The
37:24
first night he was here, shortly thereafter, he was taken to the rib
37:28
room at the Royal Orleans Hotel with mister Billings of Life magazine by Jim Garrison.
37:36
Garrison had him repeat for Billings his story and answered questions preponded to him
37:43
by both Garrison and Billings. At the end of the night, Garrison suggested
37:45
that Russo stay here a few days in one of the motels. Russo said,
37:50
mister Garrison, I only have six dollars in my pocket and I'm not
37:54
about to spend that on food at a motel. Garrison then the old off
38:00
his wide two Chris clean New one hundred dollar bills and flipped him at Russo
38:07
and said, don't worry about expenses, son. At this point Russo devis
38:15
deviated to tell us I can tell you where most of that fifteen thousand dollars
38:21
went every time I stayed here one of the fancy motels there, and was
38:24
told that there was no limit on what I could spend. I was permitted
38:28
to invite all my friends there for dinner, and on more than one occasion
38:31
had dinner checks in excess of one hundred dollars. Joe Wow, one hundred
38:38
dollars. Speaking of you, owe me one hundred dollars because I did my
38:42
own podcast on those seventy one pages of names. No one watched it,
38:47
but you still owe me a hundred. I'm collecting one hundred from my secret
38:51
sponsor. You feel free to send me the link to that video. Bud
38:55
okay, and I'll why are you over? Okay? So, yeah,
39:02
there was a okay so in our in our theater of the mind that we're
39:08
going to be performing for you here in a second. Uh, it is
39:12
just designated as I don't know if y'all can see this. It's between doctor
39:19
F and p R, which is Perry Russo and doctor F. I thought
39:25
was being hey, doctor feel good, but you can call me doctor F.
39:30
But apparently his name was doctor Fatter. So m h. In light
39:37
of our current roles, we will be changing things up for you. Yes,
39:44
Theater of the mind. Folks, Wait, well, yes, let's
39:47
uh, let's answer a trace question. Because he attached the question, I
39:52
didn't even know you had a question. Yes you were reading, sir,
39:54
so I didn't want to interrupt you. Garrison was the wrong man for the
39:58
right movement. He's still heroic because he acted when no one else would.
40:02
And I agree, I totally, one hundred percent agree. And when you
40:07
think about what was happening in the mid to late sixties, right, everyone
40:12
was just criticizing the Warrant Commission, and he kind of took the dialogue and
40:17
to a new level, right. And like granted, some of his witnesses
40:22
might have not been the most you know, trustworthy and have the you know,
40:31
the best backgrounds, but he did create a whole new, you know,
40:37
avenue for assassination researchers at the time to go down. And his follow
40:42
up comment, let me see Trey Garrison is a net positive when you consider
40:46
his entire body of work over time. I completely agree, yep. And
40:52
you know, I'm the last one to ever denigrate the work that Jim Garrison
40:57
did do I agree with his I mean, I think he did the best
41:00
with what he had at the time. He was a victim of circumstance basically,
41:07
I mean he had his hands on people like Thomas Beckham and Jack Martin,
41:13
and David Ferry and Lawrence Howard, Lawrence Hall. I mean, he
41:21
was calling these people back to New Orleans, but they duped him. They
41:27
duped him, they duped him, they duped him. They lied to him,
41:30
and they duped him. And you know, it's it's sad that,
41:34
you know, after the fact that you know all this other stuff, and
41:38
had he just changed tactics and pursued other leads, might have had a different
41:45
result. But yeah, I'm not a Garrison hater, like you know,
41:50
some of these people are out there, like God love him, Fred Litwin,
41:53
But uh, you know, I think the world is a much better
41:59
place for what g Garrison did, his investigative notes, the things he brought
42:02
to light, what was going on in New Orleans, because I think the
42:07
key to figuring this entire assassination scenario out. Yes it happened in Dallas,
42:15
but it started in New Orleans. It had to start in New Orleans.
42:22
Without New Orleans, there is no Dallas. And when you figure out what
42:24
the hell was going on in New Orleans, that's going to get you a
42:29
lot closer to the truth. Oh, Paul, Paul coming through, Paul,
42:37
Yes, thank you, sir. What's Paul saying there was waking a
42:42
kind of money on one meal and on that day and age oh no,
42:45
he invited all his friends and he had one hundred dollar bill, which today,
42:51
I mean, I don't think you can take two of your friends out
42:53
and get a hundred dollar bill, you know, two entrees and a couple
42:59
of drinks. You're yeah, you're at a hundred bucks already, yeah,
43:01
easily. But back then ship twenty people could eat on a hundred bucks,
43:06
probably at a nice restaurant. Yeah, and then we're out shit faced.
43:12
And there were allegations that, of course Perry Russa was paid. I believe
43:15
Leyton Martin's not Martin Martin's uh said he was paid. I believe three thousand
43:21
dollars I've read earlier. But again that's allegations, right, that's right,
43:31
all right, So, yes, not to the crew for Doctor Field Good,
43:37
but it's Doctor Fatter and I will be playing the part of Doctor Fatter
43:42
this evening, and young Joseph will be playing the upstart drama high school drama
43:52
lead Perry Russo in this Theater of the Mind for you folks, So strap
44:00
in because you're gonna be chuckling a lot here in just a second. But
44:07
first, are you ready for this? Joe? Are you ready? And
44:13
okay, yes, sir, I'm ready discussing. Okay, I'm gonna be
44:16
playing sun guy. What I'm gonna be playing the Southern guy? Yes,
44:24
old Yankee Joe is going to be playing Perry Russo with his new Orleans accent.
44:32
Here we go. Are you ready? First of all, Joe,
44:37
we need to take everybody back way back to March of nineteen sixty seven,
44:46
where Perry Russo is laying back on the couch, arm out and he feels
44:54
that sodium pentathal traveled deep inside of his veins. Oh, the sweet release
45:01
of that. I can't do nothing but tell you the truth, mister Gasson.
45:07
I'm ready to tell that You're disgusting. Are you sure? All right?
45:12
All right, let's go back, go way back, folks, way
45:16
back, way way. If I hit the freaking button. I wander Perry,
45:29
how he introduced you as his friend? And by what name did he
45:36
introduce you? Perry? And hell did he introduce you to the others?
45:44
Manuel? And I want to how about the other one he introduced me?
45:52
The others to me? The boy from the Civil ad patrol was Tommy.
45:58
This was Tommy who Harry, just Tommy. And this was Tommy who Perry.
46:06
I was never told just tom These guys spoke Spanish, and these two
46:12
boys were about my age, and we just talked and talked. Did you
46:16
hear somebody mention Juliana? I thought I did. I think Manuel called the
46:24
other guy Juliana. Julie Spanish, Julie Jules. They talked in Spanish,
46:32
and very very talking in Spanish. They were very impolite. Don't you think
46:40
to talk in Spanish in front of you? I figured that was all they
46:45
could speak. All right, Perry, close your eyes, relax, continue
46:54
to go deeper and deeper to sleep. You are comfort the bullet and blank,
47:00
a blank slate ready to be formed. Look at the television screen again,
47:07
mister Perry, picture and visualize your finger well lived again when it's clear
47:20
that is right, a picture is going to come on that television. Perry,
47:23
and you are in Fairy's apartment on Louisiana Avenue Parkway. Would you look
47:30
at that picture, Perry and tell us the story that you see. He
47:36
introduced me to his roommate who was a kook, and Perry, I'm wondering
47:43
what his roommate looked like. Describe him for me. He looked like he
47:47
would have bad be about as tall as I. And he had sandy brown
47:52
hair, dirty white shirt, and dirty, dirty, dirty dirty boy.
48:00
Yeah, uh, Perry, what was his name? Leon? What was
48:06
his last name? It was Oswalt. That is right, That is right,
48:15
Perry. Continue looking at that picture, now, son, Who else
48:17
is in that apartment? Nobody? Just me and him, just you and
48:23
Ferry and Oswalt. Yeah, that's right, Perry. Keep looking at that
48:30
picture and tell me what happens next. He introduced me and we talked,
48:37
and Ferry came in and served coffee and I didn't take any. And this
48:40
roommate was just sitting on the piano. It was closed and he just sat
48:45
and Ferry and Leon didn't seem to get along that night. They had a
48:50
difference of opinion. Yes, what about Perry? Dave never stated, but
48:57
I got the idea. It was about a boy and Day was sleeping with
49:00
and Leon made some remarks about it, and Leon objected to the boy being
49:05
there. Ah, Yes, that's right, Perry. Continue now to go
49:09
deeper and deeper into that sleep. Now, picture that television screen once again
49:17
in your mind, Perry, Perry, it is a picture of Ferry's apartment
49:22
and there's lots of dirty underwear on the floor, and there are several people
49:27
in there, and there is a white haired man. Tell me about it.
49:30
Now, tell me about the son. We are having party, a
49:36
party, and I came in and everybody is drinking beer. They are about
49:40
ten of us, and I am there, the roommate Dave, some young
49:44
boys, and some other friends of Dave's. And I was with Sandra.
49:51
And what month is it, Perry h September, September sixteenth. What year
49:59
is Perry nineteen sixty three? Tell me more about that picture, Perry,
50:07
Let me dig deep. Well, there's a record player in the middle of
50:12
the room and it's playing sounds, not music, Spanish, and a guy
50:17
is making a speech and everyone laughed. Well what did he say, Perry?
50:23
Well, he was speaking Spanish, sort of like Hitler. And how
50:31
about that white haired man, Perry, Well, that's a friend of Dave's
50:37
man, what's his name, clam Bertrand had you ever seen him before?
50:45
Yeah? I saw him at the Nashville Street wharf. I wonder where else
50:49
you saw him, Perry, No, Where is that the same white haired
50:54
gentleman in the service station. I don't remember the station. I wonder who
51:01
that is sitting on the sofa with the rifle at Leon. What's he doing
51:07
with the rifle? Perry? He always had a rifle. You like guns,
51:12
and many times he would just have a rifle. Now, this particular
51:15
rifle. Describe it for me, Parry. Right, well, he wasn't
51:22
on a sofa. He was on a half sofa, I said, tell
51:25
me about the goddamn rifle, Perry. Look at it. Describe it for
51:30
me, Parry, all right. It's long as a wooden or plastic stock,
51:37
yes, plastic dock. It looks brown, and it has a slight
51:43
of hunting. What kind of sight? A barrel tip almost eight inches long?
51:49
Just as long eight inches long. Take a look at that gun again,
51:54
Perry. Does it have a lever underneath where you put the bullets in?
52:00
I have a twenty two, and it's the same type. He offered
52:04
to show it to me, but I didn't care to look at it.
52:07
Same as my twenty two. You'd have to pull the ball back and the
52:09
cartridges have to be entered from below. Continue looking at the television program in
52:15
your mind, Perry and Clay the white haired man is going to come into
52:21
the room. You were at Ferry's apartment, and there are many people who
52:29
did he introduce Clay to Perry, He introduced me me to everybody. Thank
52:37
you, thank you, thank you, guys, thank you, thank you.
52:43
I gotta look at the comments here. Oh god, there's twenty.
52:49
Oh man. Oh that was funny. They tried to keep oho, y'all,
52:59
saund my phone sex. Yeah, that's the point because we were under
53:02
hypnosis. Tyn of dancer. Hey, doctor Fata needs to know the details
53:09
tiny dancer. Without the details, you gotta get the details. Sally likes
53:15
that here striking up. Oh lord, that was something. Yes, thank
53:23
you, thank you. Yeah, it was really funny. But I mean
53:29
that was Harry Russo under hypnosis, and that is one of the reasons why
53:36
his testimony was. I mean, you know how like polygraphs are three sessions
53:42
of this stuff, folks, we can do this all night. I got
53:44
like thirty more pages. That was three pages of one session. And there
53:52
it gets way worse than that. Yeah wo yeah. But it's and that's
54:00
why it wasn't taken seriously, this admission, because it was done under these
54:07
circumstances similar to a polygraph, right, how it's inadmissible? This was maybe
54:12
not. I don't know if they have like a rule for it back then.
54:15
But it wasn't taken seriously about the jury, that's for sure, because
54:20
Perry was one of Garrison's witness star witnesses. Yeah, so you know it,
54:27
Like I said, three of these sessions not taken seriously. He failed
54:30
two light detector tests, right, And it was just horrible the way that
54:42
things turned out. I mean, they even had they I'll show you this
54:47
picture. They had this dramatic scene in the clay Shaw trial where they told
54:55
Perry that Perry is the man you saw his party in this courtroom right now?
55:01
He said, yes, will you walk over to the man you saw
55:07
at that party right now and put your hand over his head? No shit,
55:16
Look at this. This is the courtroom sketch. And he has his
55:24
hand over top of clay Shaw's head and clay Shaw is sitting there like,
55:30
I can't believe this, you know, but you know I don't. I
55:39
mean, I'm pretty confident, at least in my opinion, Joe, that
55:46
I think Perry Russo was full of crap I think he did something as a
55:54
joke to begin with, or maybe he thought it'd be cute or or maybe
56:00
like maybe it was a bet, maybe it was adre. But then it
56:02
got serious real quick, and he knew that if he said that he lied,
56:07
that Garrison would charge him with perjury. And if he did what Garrison
56:10
told him and said what he wanted to say, well, hell, Garrison's
56:14
gonna give him some money. Garrison's not going to prosecute him for dumb shit
56:17
that he does. And you know, he can live like a king.
56:22
He when he comes to New Orleans from Baton Rouge and stay in these hotels
56:25
and this that. I mean, even his girlfriend didn't back him up.
56:30
She was like, no, we never went into any parties like that.
56:34
So I think this guy's story is total crap. And that's why I was
56:38
trying to find that video of Russo in the nineties driving a cab because he's
56:45
stuck to his story. Again. He said that it happened, and this
56:51
is when he's like, you know, fifty years old driving a cab when
56:57
this guy should have been a successful lawyer somewhere. So somewhere in all this
57:02
crap, his life took a very dramatic turn for the worst. I mean,
57:07
you go from law school loiola your college graduate to getting arrested for burglarising
57:15
somebody's house and stealing eight thousand dollars worth of shit and some kind of a
57:22
key for a safe deposit box. I mean, you can't make this up.
57:25
And then at fifty years old, you're driving a cav I mean,
57:30
not to take anything away from people to drive calves, but this guy was
57:35
on a whole different career path before all this fookery happened, back in the
57:40
late sixties and early seventies. What do you think about mister Perry Russo's story,
57:46
Joe. You know, I tend to agree it is. You know,
57:52
it was left out of the Garrison investigation for whatever reason, whether it's
57:58
because of the lack of corroborating evidence and witnesses, and the fact that he
58:07
didn't come out till nineteen sixty seven after David Ferry's death. I don't discount
58:15
it one hundred percent. I think there might be some truth to it.
58:22
I think it's probably somewhere in the middle. I kind of always land in
58:25
the middle, but I think for the most part, I lean mostly exaggeration.
58:31
But you know, Garrison had lost Fairry Banister had died before the Warrant
58:39
Commission came out. He really didn't have much to go on. And I
58:44
think the clache and listen to a lot of great things came from this investigation
58:49
a completely you know, changed the purview of where people were just hating on
58:54
the warrant Commission to kind of looking at it in a bigger way almost.
59:00
But h I agree, it isn't that positive. But in terms of Perry
59:05
of Russo, I I don't I don't buy all of it. What do
59:15
you think? I don't buy any of it. I think he I think
59:20
he lied through his teeth and got trapped up in some in some hot mess
59:24
m and Garrison didn't have any other leg to stand on. I think I
59:34
think Garrison was I think what really screwed Garrison over, especially the judge in
59:40
that case throwing out when who was it that aloicious harbor gassed or whatever that
59:51
cop was. When they when they arrested clay Shaw, you know, they
59:54
asked him, did you go buy any other nicknames? And he said,
59:58
yeah, Clay Bertrand and they wouldn't admit it in court and why they wouldn't,
1:00:05
I don't know, but that really screwed years and two, Yeah,
1:00:10
for sure. And one thing that said Scott Edwards with Ferry dyed that made
1:00:15
Garrison desperate, and yeah, it's kind of it's kind of like it was
1:00:20
portrayed in the JFK movie. Of course that's not one hundred percent accurate,
1:00:23
but I mean the the Garrison kind of leaving his family and not leaving but
1:00:29
focusing on the investigation more than his family. There was that scene where he
1:00:32
met with Shaw on Easter Sunday, right, did not create any attention.
1:00:37
Of course after he met with Shaw that I think shortly after he was you
1:00:45
know, the cat was out of the bag, right, and he was
1:00:49
being followed and in his building and all the reporters. So I definitely think,
1:00:55
you know, we know Shaw was CIA, he was a hat agent,
1:01:00
contract agent. He was. Yeah. I'm not saying that Garrison was
1:01:05
wrong about Clay Shaw. I mean he may have been involved in some way
1:01:09
of manipulating Oswald because he's definitely in the right places at the right time.
1:01:15
And like Jack said, the Clinton witnesses who saw somebody resembling Faery and Shawl
1:01:22
and Oswald in Jackson, Louisiana and Clinton. You know, the problem was
1:01:31
his star witness. There was a heroin addict Vernon Bundy, not good and
1:01:38
they just they brutalized that dude in court so and yeah, and they they
1:01:46
brutalized other people that tried to corroborate him, like Raymond Brushers. And there's
1:01:52
a whole other the lavender panther himself, Yes, and there's a whole other.
1:01:59
But so Garrison, what was I gonna say? I just lost my
1:02:09
train of thought. But uh, mister Gason, if you are looking find
1:02:16
a day, mister Gason, let me. Yeah, I forgot I'll come
1:02:30
back to it. But uh yeah. So this guy Raymond Broshers, who
1:02:38
was a reverend, h bishop if you will, something like that, and
1:02:46
he was also involved in giving testimony to the Garrison investigation. And I'm just
1:02:58
going to read a question answer from the Garrison investigation to him. Did Dave
1:03:05
Ferry ever talk to you about Perry Raymond Russo? This is Bhars. Yes,
1:03:09
he never did say. Not all the names you're running off there,
1:03:13
just Perry Russo. He mentioned the name Russo and called him numerous names.
1:03:17
But I strongly suspect there was something there. I would only be projecting.
1:03:22
Did David Ferry ever mention Russou in connection with Clay Shaw? For example,
1:03:28
in an earlier interview I had with you, you told me that Russeau was
1:03:32
somehow involved either taking money from Shaw. Yes, but that is yet to
1:03:38
be determined. That is only what Ferry said. What did he say?
1:03:43
He said something about it, but the point was not too clear. He
1:03:46
had a distinct he was very upset with RUSSEO. I know he got money
1:03:51
from I can't remember. He kind of fumbles And essentially this guy, Raymond
1:03:59
Broushars was paramore I think that's a good word for it of David Ferries in
1:04:04
nineteen sixty five, in nineteen sixty six, and he ended up talking with
1:04:12
his roommate there for a little while, that's what you want to call it.
1:04:15
Yeah, there we go, yea roommate with benefits. Yeah, And
1:04:19
he ended up indicting saying Russo was around and a whole other people in Ferry.
1:04:29
And there's another character that I wanted to briefly mention, and I don't
1:04:35
know if you've seen Andrews. Dean Andrews is interesting as well. That's not
1:04:41
who I was going to mention. But so clay Shaw actually sued, I
1:04:48
guess counter sued maybe for defamation the Jim Garrison individually, as well as James
1:04:59
L. Alcock and Charles Ward and a bunch of other people. And essentially
1:05:06
when they called as Clayshaw countersuit in June of nineteen sixty eight, these the
1:05:15
district attorneys of New Orleans Parish kind of represented each other. It was him
1:05:20
and that guy's Scambia that you mentioned earlier. Yeah, yeah, and they
1:05:28
yeah, they literally said we cannot say anything because there's an ongoing investigation against
1:05:36
Clayshaw. So the counter suit, the civil action, they literally said,
1:05:42
same reason, same response. And I went through like ten pages and the
1:05:47
guy just said same reason, same response, and this is I think this
1:05:57
is right. Just read Ferry told him that Russeau had gotten this money,
1:06:01
but that it had to do with some sort of financial transaction and involved mister
1:06:05
Shaw. So they actually accused Brochers of stealing from Clayshaw. But there was
1:06:12
some type of transaction. Yeah, but if you know what I mean,
1:06:17
that type of transaction probably happened, yes, yes, And they threatened him
1:06:24
and he was in jail. He was a civil rights activist, which is
1:06:30
a weird match for Ferry, to be honest, but you did an episode
1:06:33
on this a while ago, and he went to jail. He had threatened
1:06:41
LBJ and Rufus Youngblood, the Secret Service agent that I guess was close to
1:06:48
LBJ. I read Brochers was told to report to him every time you move
1:06:57
from one city to another, if you do not do these things, you'll
1:07:00
be put in a federal jail, mental institution. And spoiler, that's what
1:07:04
happened to Mercier's for a little while. So I mean you, yes,
1:07:12
you know, we think maybe some of Russo's or you you know, a
1:07:15
lot of Russo's story is bullshit. But like you said one day, the
1:07:26
bullshit talks and the money walks or the right like, they don't go after
1:07:30
people if you're spreading bullshit, you know, But they went after this guy.
1:07:34
They're putting them in mental institutions in jail. They went after Russo as
1:07:40
well. They're going after a lot of these people, So why would you
1:07:44
do that if their stories aren't well. I'll tell you there's a fantastic interview
1:07:49
out there of Raymond Burshar's from like the late sixties or early seventies when he's
1:07:56
living in California and he's involved with the Lavender Panthers and all that stuff.
1:08:02
And I think it's some kind of like Dick Cabot type show. I know
1:08:08
it's not Dick Cabot, but I believe it's out there on on YouTube and
1:08:13
it's a fantastic listen if you haven't ever heard it before. Because I said
1:08:19
there's something going on in New Orleans and it's bad. Oh I remember what
1:08:29
I was gonna say. Okay, yes, finally, uh So I do
1:08:34
think that Shaw and Fairy and Banister were involved in the sheep dipping of Oswalt
1:08:43
Right, Yes, but did that mean that they had four knowledge of the
1:08:48
assassination. I mean, you know, Fairy and the going to what was
1:08:53
it, Galveston the ice skating rink, and it's all very odd movements,
1:09:00
and you got to figure, you know, if this was done by like
1:09:05
what I think, rogue CIA people, they would have definitely not done it
1:09:15
themselves, and they would have used people loosely associated with the CIA that had
1:09:21
done work for them before, people like David Ferry, who was not CIA
1:09:29
proper never a quote unquote CIA agent, no official CIA ties whatsoever. But
1:09:34
this guy was definitely running guns and other crap into Cuba, and he was
1:09:42
he was he could be relied upon to get the job done. And you
1:09:47
know, if if Oswald was selected to be the fall guy, you know
1:09:54
for all this, like I said, it started in New Orleans. And
1:10:00
whether it was Banister, whether it was General Walker through Banister to Ferry,
1:10:06
whether it was you know, who knows, whether it was the anti Castro
1:10:11
Cubans. We know they were surrounding him as well. This guy had the
1:10:16
perfect pedigree because I think somebody was putting Oswald up to portraying himself to be
1:10:26
pro Castro and writing these letters and forming this fair Play for Cuba committee,
1:10:36
creating the alias of aj Hydel, ordering the weapons in that name. You
1:10:43
know, it's just you can almost see. It's like a chessboard and not
1:10:46
the devils either, just a dirty New Orleans with lots of young boys.
1:10:53
Daddy, daddy, daddy, like the young boys on the chess board,
1:11:00
Russo said, Daddy, Daddy Daddy. But hold on, I wanted to
1:11:04
say something. Did Russo sit at the end of that long dining room table.
1:11:12
I believe you're talking about the JFK movie. That was Willy O'Keeffe.
1:11:15
However, the Willie l Keiff character was a combination of Russo, Willie O'Keeffe
1:11:26
for Shears, and one other guy. I'm forgetting, but I've read I
1:11:30
read this and fun fact Rob Tom. But yeah, Perry Russo was actually
1:11:39
in the movie. He was in the bar scene when they when Garrison is
1:11:46
in the bar and the news comes across the JFK has been killed. Perry
1:11:51
Russo is one of the bar patrons in that scene if you look close enough.
1:12:00
They did not want Stone, did not want to put him in the
1:12:03
film as a character because they would have had to really pay pay pay him
1:12:11
and Stone wasn't really sold on his story, and I think Garrison had soured
1:12:19
on Russo as well over the years. But they did give him a slight
1:12:25
nod in the movie and did put him in there speaking cameo. Speaking of
1:12:31
cameos, Rob, I message you about this and we gotta get into it.
1:12:35
It's Martin related. Spoiler alert. But I found a new Martin,
1:12:45
or not a new Martin or Martin. We had discovered Rob, that is
1:12:48
in the JFK movie. You think I'm not even screwing with you. You
1:12:53
think, No, I don't think we're gonna let it. We're gonna let
1:12:57
the audience decide here, and uh, you know how you know how it
1:13:01
works with photo evidence. Joe's open to an interpretation. But okay, don't
1:13:08
be going away of Rafts and Komi here. Can you see this Rob?
1:13:12
Yes? Okay. So I was watching JFK because I was working on my
1:13:16
Southern accent this morning, and I saw John C. Martin as a prison
1:13:23
god. And I looked at this guy and I was like, I know
1:13:27
with John C. Martin. He was the head of security for the International
1:13:30
Trademark. He was And let me know if this guy here that I just
1:13:36
showed looks like this guy who we have talked about on our Martin shows,
1:13:47
Bro, get out of here. That is him. That is the head
1:13:51
of security for the trademark playing a jail guard in the JFK movie, similar
1:13:59
to how Jerry Patrick Hemming is on the sixth Floor Lawrence Howard was. I
1:14:03
don't know what if he played or if he was just an advisor. Bro,
1:14:09
that is him. I'm gonna bring it back to that first one.
1:14:15
It is crazy. And I literally paused it just to just because I was
1:14:23
pausing here and I was like, Yo, that is the same guy.
1:14:29
Get out of here, like that's him. So you have the yeh twenty
1:14:33
years later with no mustang. Yeah maybe, yeah, maybe kind of looks
1:14:39
the same weight, but yeah, he looks like sixty there made Yeah,
1:14:45
and this is on the credits for the JFK movie. So the Martins are
1:14:50
still alive in the late nineties. Wow, that's crazy. It's I mean,
1:14:57
you guys could let let us know, but yeah, that's it's crazy.
1:15:01
And yeah, that's uh, that's how I got some of my accents.
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