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Speaker 1: Jesus is the gold. Reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight and don't miss this. An expert on Islam on
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Speaker 2: what the horror of the Hamas show last week tells
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Speaker 2: us how the Islamus group celebrated and how children saying
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Speaker 2: its praises over the coffins of two Jewish children that
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Speaker 2: Israel says were strangled to death. This is a must watch. Well,
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Speaker 2: so tonight Dirty Tricks. I'll talk to the local independent
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Speaker 2: MP shut out by the immigration mister from a mass
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Speaker 2: citizenship ceremony to sign up new voters ahead of the election.
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Speaker 2: This thinks, and so much more coming up than I'd
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Speaker 2: better get straight into it. Something snapped in the Albanezy
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Speaker 2: government this weekend. The Prime Minister was humiliated, he was outplayed,
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Speaker 2: and today his big election hope was destroyed in stunning
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Speaker 2: new poles three strikes. Anthony Alberanezi seems out now. The
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Speaker 2: big hope that he had was that his government was
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Speaker 2: going to be saved by the Reserve Bank finally cutting
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Speaker 2: the interest rates that have risen twelve times under his watch.
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Speaker 2: Well the bank cut them last Tuesday, just a little,
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Speaker 2: but two poles conducted since since. Forget any gratitude, any
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Speaker 2: bounce back. If anything, voters are now even more over
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Speaker 2: this government. The resolved pole recorded a huge drop in
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Speaker 2: support for Labor. Just one in four voters will now
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Speaker 2: vote for this government, or when you split the preferences,
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Speaker 2: just forty five percent, way behind the coalition on fifty five.
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Speaker 2: This is Landslide territory. Now this may well be a
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Speaker 2: rogue pole, some say, but today's freshwater pole is almost
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Speaker 2: as ugly. Labour now behind the coalition forty eight fifty two,
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Speaker 2: and on the weekend Albanize had just made it worse
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Speaker 2: by something into yet more humiliation and Australia into more danger.
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Speaker 2: Now Albanize is often boasted as you know that he
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Speaker 2: wanted to fix up, and whilst fixing up what he
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Speaker 2: claimed the Liberals had broken when they were in government,
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Speaker 2: he was fixing our relationship with China. China had punished
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Speaker 2: Australia with trade bands because the Liberals criticized its attacks
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Speaker 2: on us and on freedom. In contrast, Albanize basically shut up,
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Speaker 2: shut up, and China rewarded him by dropping trade bands
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Speaker 2: and flattering him like when it then him come to
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Speaker 2: Beijing at last. Than see the Chinese premier.
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Speaker 1: People were saying that we have a hands boy coming
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Speaker 1: from Alscherdier.
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Speaker 2: Chinese stator's jimpig also let Alberanzer meet him a few
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Speaker 2: times and also praised him, making Albanize think, well, things
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Speaker 2: are on the up and up.
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Speaker 3: It was a very positive and constructive discussion.
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Speaker 2: Well, in the past week and a half, China has
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Speaker 2: shown what it really thinks of Albanesi and the answer
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Speaker 2: is nothing less than nothing. Two weeks ago, a Chinese
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Speaker 2: warplane dropped flares just thirteen meters in front of one
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Speaker 2: of ours and Ardevelaf, a surveillance plane in internationals South
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Speaker 2: China Sea, which China's trying to steal very dangerous, could
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Speaker 2: have brought the plane down. Albanizi said, our diplomats did
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Speaker 2: protest to Beijing, but China just said get stuffed. That paraphrase.
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Speaker 2: What it said was that we were in fact the
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Speaker 2: villains and claimed would provoked it. Now, that was the
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Speaker 2: first slap he gave Albanesi. Worse was the con China
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Speaker 2: then sent a frigate, a cruiser and a support vessel
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Speaker 2: to sail around our northern coast, snooping, spyring, sending a
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Speaker 2: signal and then to within one hundred and fifty naudible
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Speaker 2: miles of Sydney in our exclusive economic zone. Then on Friday,
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Speaker 2: with no official warning and very little to passenger jets
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Speaker 2: who already in the air, these ships started live fire
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Speaker 2: exercises further off our coast, then off the coast around Eden,
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Speaker 2: And that was the second slap, China's sending us a
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Speaker 2: very crude warning. Security experts called that unprecedented and an
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Speaker 2: open act of intimidation. But this is the toughest thing
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Speaker 2: that Albanese did say about it.
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Speaker 3: I think they could have given notice.
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Speaker 2: To be fair, Foreign Minster petty Wog did think this
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Speaker 2: was all serious enough to complain directly face to face
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Speaker 2: to China's Foreign Minister Wang Ye late on Friday at
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Speaker 2: the G twenty meeting in Johannesburg.
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Speaker 4: Our meeting today also enables us to discuss again our
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Speaker 4: expectations around safe and professional military conduct.
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Speaker 2: But did China say sorry or anything like that. It
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Speaker 2: just slapped Albanesi again a third time, because the very
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Speaker 2: next day after that, on Saturday, it's three ships did
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Speaker 2: exactly the same thing all over again, shooting this biggest
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Speaker 2: gun again with minimal warning. How much clearer could China
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Speaker 2: be Albanese's complaints mean nothing and this was meant to
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Speaker 2: prove it. It was a warning to just shut up.
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Speaker 2: So we don't have a better relationship with China under Albanezi.
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Speaker 2: He might have thought so, but in fact Albanese has
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Speaker 2: just made us more dependent on China by pushing for
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Speaker 2: more trade with that dictatorship, and now it's still treating
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Speaker 2: him like dirt. So this weekend was already a shambles
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Speaker 2: for our prime minister. But to the third and final
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Speaker 2: humiliation he's suffered over just this last few days was
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Speaker 2: to be completely outplayed yesterday by Peter Dutton. Now, Albanese
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Speaker 2: has already been spending like a drunk over the past
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Speaker 2: four months. Three billion dollars to cancel student debt, seven
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Speaker 2: billion dollars to upgrade Queenslands Bru's highway, one point seven
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Speaker 2: billion dollars to cut hospital waiting list, three billion dollars
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Speaker 2: on the NBN, two billion dollars to make green steel
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Speaker 2: and save oil that was just last week, and even
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Speaker 2: two point two billion dollars on Australia's biggest white elephant.
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Speaker 2: That's victorious. Two hundred and fifty billion dollars a boob
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Speaker 2: and rail network never get finished by the way, that
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Speaker 2: will links suburbs, no one visits to other suburbs, no
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Speaker 2: one visits. And if all that wasn't as mad and
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Speaker 2: irresponsible as you could think of in a nightmare, Yesterday
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Speaker 2: Albanizi went completely for broke another seven and a half
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Speaker 2: billion dollars to make doctor visits free for almost everyone.
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Speaker 2: But almost almost before he and his Health minister finished
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Speaker 2: boasting about this, the latest spending and leading group booze
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Speaker 2: for Dutton unbelievable for being hopeless with health Peter don't
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Speaker 2: match their promise. In fact, he bettered it by adding
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Speaker 2: another half a billion dollars eight billion dollar to increase
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Speaker 2: counseling and SUC sessions for the poor as well, which
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Speaker 2: is hugely needed. As I've said before. Now you may think,
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Speaker 2: you know, Dutton shouldn't be matching this spendethon, but he
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Speaker 2: said the difference was that at least he had the
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Speaker 2: plan to pay for it.
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Speaker 5: It's a lot of money, but we've identified, as you know,
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Speaker 5: scaling back to the public service, which has grown phenomenally
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Speaker 5: under the Labor Party, thirty six thousand.
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Speaker 2: Additional public servants.
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Speaker 5: That's at a cost of six billion a year, or
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Speaker 5: twenty four billion dollars over the Ford estimates. This program
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Speaker 5: totals nine billion dollars over that period. So we've well
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Speaker 5: and truly identified the savings.
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Speaker 2: So that left how been easy with nothing to say
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Speaker 2: today after ground bake breaking, election busting, big announcement except well,
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton can't be trusted. He'd been a bad health
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Speaker 2: minister more than a decade ago.
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Speaker 3: What we saw from the opposition yessay was just pure politics.
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Speaker 3: It's what they did prior to twenty and thirteen.
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Speaker 2: If you think our abdie little beaten, it was, yes
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Speaker 2: he did. Because something did snap last weekend and this
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Speaker 2: election now looks extremely ugly for Labor, probably the end
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Speaker 2: for Albanezi. John me is Michael Kroger from the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Liberal President, Steve Conroy, former Labor senator and Kevin Ne minister.
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Speaker 2: Michael Today's Resolve poll, Labour now ten points behind the Coalition,
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Speaker 2: facing a landslide defeat. I mean, can that pole really
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Speaker 2: be right?
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Speaker 6: Well, it was an absolute shocker and what was relevant
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Speaker 6: about it was that it took into account people's preferences
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Speaker 6: now as opposed to using the preference distribution from the
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Speaker 6: two elections, so.
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Speaker 2: It could be right.
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Speaker 6: It could be right. Peter Dutton could face a parliament
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Speaker 6: where he's got more than seventy six seats and whatever
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Speaker 6: Elbow's trying Andrew, nothing's working. You know, every week we
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Speaker 6: talk about this, When is he going to turn around?
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Speaker 6: When is it going to turn around? He played his
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Speaker 6: ace yesterday, his main aise, you know, a repeat of
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Speaker 6: the three card trick from twenty sixteen, and Dunton is
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Speaker 6: clever enough to match it. So no one seems to
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Speaker 6: be listening to Elbow. He shot his credibility over the
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Speaker 6: two hundred and seventy five dollars the promise on electricy bills.
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Speaker 6: That destroyed his economic credibility for the whole of this
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Speaker 6: the whole of this parliament. People don't realize how damaging
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Speaker 6: that was to his economic credibility. And then people saw
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Speaker 6: his main priority was the voice, which was another catastrophe
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Speaker 6: for him. And then they've seen this massive outbreak of
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Speaker 6: anti seventies and Jewish hatred on his watch, et cetera,
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Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera. Look, he's a number eight batsman,
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Speaker 6: that's all he is. And that's why I think he's
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Speaker 6: going to be defeated Andrew.
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Speaker 2: What do you think, Steve, was that pole at all credible?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think you're Michael mightna to have a bit
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Speaker 7: of a bes and I lie down. That pole probably
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Speaker 7: could be described as an outlier. If you look at
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Speaker 7: all of the other published pols, including Freshwater today, string
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Speaker 7: of poles last week, they all appear to have settled
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Speaker 7: roughly around the same fifty one fifty two to the Libs,
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Speaker 7: you know, forty eight forty nine for labor. But then
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Speaker 7: when you take away the national polling average, can you
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Speaker 7: start looking at the seats in individual states, you begin
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Speaker 7: to see a quite different picture to the sort of
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Speaker 7: headlines you read this morning in the Channel nine papers,
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Speaker 7: and what it's saying is on his best day, Peter
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Speaker 7: Dutton can only still get to seventy two seventy three seats.
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Speaker 7: And so if you look at all of the other poles,
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Speaker 7: they have Labor probably sitting around seventy seats, the Lib's
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Speaker 7: probably sitting around sixty eight seats. And if you look
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Speaker 7: at the sort of graph in Freshwater last week, what
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Speaker 7: you see is that trend that Michael was often described
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Speaker 7: as every single month's been going down, Well it's actually
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Speaker 7: bottomed and flattened out and actually got a small increase
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Speaker 7: before today's resolve poll. So I actually think what you're
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Speaker 7: seeing is a floor coming under labor and obviously anywhere
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Speaker 7: up to three months for the Prime Minister to continue
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Speaker 7: to peg back sandbag seats as they say in political jargon.
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Speaker 7: So I still think that Albanese will be a narrow victor,
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Speaker 7: but certainly not in a majority government. And I think
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Speaker 7: it's good for the country that someone gets seventy one
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Speaker 7: or seventy two seats rather than both parties sitting around
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Speaker 7: sixty nine seventy, because that will be a disaster for
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Speaker 7: a country.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, look, Michael I was talking about the great spendeth
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Speaker 2: on that Albanezi has been on the last four months.
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Speaker 2: It's really quite extraordinary. It's just a tourn of money
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Speaker 2: for a government that's already admitted that the next ten
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Speaker 2: budgets will be in the red. But Peter Dutton matched
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Speaker 2: his last one as Medicare one and in fact better
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Speaker 2: at at by half a billion. Was this bad economics
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Speaker 2: but by Dutton, but brilliant politics.
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Speaker 6: Well, health's important. We know that over a million people
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Speaker 6: have adjourned visits to doctors in recent years because they
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Speaker 6: couldn't afford it and the health of the nation is
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Speaker 6: absolutely vital. So it was very good politics. And you know,
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Speaker 6: given that he's got the savings to fund it, it
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Speaker 6: was good politics. I mean, let's be frank, Andrew. The
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Speaker 6: Liberal Party are not going to be Scott allowed the
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Speaker 6: electors to be brought off again.
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Speaker 2: Hang on, I've got to say.
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Speaker 8: Everything.
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Speaker 2: And I think it's great. All six thousand will all
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Speaker 2: fuse six thousand public services to get rid of I'd
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Speaker 2: like to I'll believe it when I see it.
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Speaker 6: Well, you can't see it now because it hasn't happened, Andrew.
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Speaker 6: And it's like saying, are we certain about anything in
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Speaker 6: the future.
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Speaker 2: We're not believing.
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Speaker 6: I see that's that's an announced policy. But Albany's what's
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Speaker 6: very clear. What's clear of this? Andrew?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Labor Labor used this trick, very very hard to full
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Speaker 9: electric twice with the same three card trick. They tried
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Speaker 9: this in sixteen with brilliant effect and Malcolm Turnbull was
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Speaker 9: unable to shake off Shortens Scare campaign. The Electric is
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Speaker 9: not going to fall for it again. It's very hard
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Speaker 9: to full electric twice. They're not going to fall for
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Speaker 9: this medicare scare campaign again. So unless he's got to
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Speaker 9: sell something else in his locker, he is in more
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Speaker 9: trouble that he knows. I think the other thing is,
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Speaker 9: as you say, he just appears to me to be
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Speaker 9: punch drunk. He doesn't be showing much emotion. He doesn't
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Speaker 9: seem to be too interested. He's just going through the motions.
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Speaker 9: Where's the emotion, Andrew, Where where's the where's.
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Speaker 2: The fight in him?
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Speaker 6: He just looks as if he's plotting towards his defeat
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Speaker 6: and his three hundred thousand dollars super that he's going
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Speaker 6: to get after he leaves Parliament.
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Speaker 2: Stuffing was knocked out of him with the defendant. The
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Speaker 2: stuffing was knocked out of him with the defeat of
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Speaker 2: the voice, and it's never never regained it. And he
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Speaker 2: doesn't have any ideas, never did correct and it's all
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Speaker 2: it's all gone to custard. Stephen before we go, and
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Speaker 2: need to ask you about this China.
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Speaker 4: What was it up to?
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Speaker 2: Firing guns off our coast? Comes all the way here
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Speaker 2: to fire guns off our coast. You've got to be kidding.
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Speaker 2: Even after Penny Wong told trans Foreign Minister to his
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Speaker 2: face on Friday. We didn't like the lack of warning.
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Speaker 2: What does this say about the supposed new relationship.
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Speaker 7: Well, firstly, China's will do whatever China wants when it
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Speaker 7: comes to Australia. No amount of either governments, whether it's
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Speaker 7: the toys out of the Cot Scott Morrison approach or
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Speaker 7: the more subtle approach by Labor to try and restore relations,
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Speaker 7: get our trade back. China at the end of the
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Speaker 7: day intend to try and dominate our region. And I'd
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Speaker 7: probably say we're in the most unusual bizare seative foreign
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Speaker 7: policy challenges right now. On the one hand, we have
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Speaker 7: been attacked by our supposed greatest ally in the US economically,
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Speaker 7: and we have China rampaging through our back door and
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Speaker 7: through our backyard a foreign policy sense, So we are
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Speaker 7: in a very unusual place. And I would probably say
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Speaker 7: that I think the impact of America selling out Russia
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Speaker 7: and the message is sending to its Western allies, its
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Speaker 7: traditional you know, the countries that have kept democracies alive
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Speaker 7: in the world.
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Speaker 2: That attack that.
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Speaker 7: Trump is engaged is emboldening China to really see what
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Speaker 7: it can get away with in our region and in
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Speaker 7: our backyard.
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Speaker 2: So this is a very I think, but nobody except
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Speaker 2: Stephen I would say this. I would say this, US
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Speaker 2: has not yet sold out to Russia. There's a negotiation
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Speaker 2: going around. The proof will be in the pudding. We
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Speaker 2: shall see. But I agree with you. It's a real
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Speaker 2: worry and it's a warning that every country must look
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Speaker 2: to its own defense instead of always thinking America will
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Speaker 2: take care of it. It may not have the power
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Speaker 2: to do so, may have the will. Michael Kraege Stephen,
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Speaker 2: I've got a simple task. And Conroy Goods Ukraine has
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Speaker 2: NATO membership. Look, I'll be talking about that later. Thank
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Speaker 2: you very much to you both. How can anyone, though,
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Speaker 2: be surprised, there's one lack of surprise in the world
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Speaker 2: at the moment by the results of Germany's election yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Now a decade ago, the German government, for some unbelievably
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Speaker 2: stupid reason, let in one million so called asylum seekers
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Speaker 2: from the Middle East in Africa in just one year.
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Speaker 2: There's been many more since, and in this election campaign
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Speaker 2: Germans were reminded of the cost. On Thursday week ago,
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Speaker 2: an Afghan asylum seeker ran this current to a crowd
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Speaker 2: in Munich, killing a mother and a child. Las Friday,
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Speaker 2: Syrian asylum seeker, stabbed the tourists of Berlin's Holocaust memorial
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Speaker 2: and yesterday Germans then voted nearly twenty nine percent for
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Speaker 2: the opposition Conservative Christian Democratic Union the CDU. It came first,
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Speaker 2: but is stunning twenty one percent for the hardline anti
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Speaker 2: immigrant Alliance for Germany. The AfD nearly doubled its vote
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Speaker 2: from four years ago, pushing it above the ruling Social
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Speaker 2: Democratic parties center right, putting them into the third place.
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Speaker 2: This was the highest vote for any so called far
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Speaker 2: right part in Germany since World War Two, which was
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Speaker 2: a triumph of its leader.
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Speaker 10: We have doubled our votes. They wanted to cut them
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Speaker 10: in half. The opposite has happened. And I must say
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Speaker 10: one thing. Our hand will always remain outstretched for participation
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Speaker 10: in government to implement the will of the people, the
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Speaker 10: will of Germany. We are ready to participate in government.
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Speaker 2: Well AfD participating in government. That's not going to happen
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Speaker 2: because even that party that came first, the Conservative CDU,
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Speaker 2: hands like every other party, promise not to make any
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Speaker 2: deal with the far right to form government. And that's
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Speaker 2: Europe for you. So much for democracy. Joining me is
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Speaker 2: Ralph Schulhammer is an author a podcast in the head
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Speaker 2: of the Center of History of the Matias Colvenus Collegium.
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Speaker 2: Ralph Sulhammer, thank you so much for coming on the
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Speaker 2: show of being at leamview work for some time and Europe.
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Speaker 2: We have seen the swing to the right in Italy
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Speaker 2: and France, Netherlands, Austria. Now in Germany. What's striving it? Well,
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Speaker 2: the first thing.
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Speaker 8: I have to say, sadly, I have to admit because
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Speaker 8: I generally sympathize with this shift to the right. But
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Speaker 8: what we saw in Germany was not the expected shift
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Speaker 8: to the right. If you think about the results, the
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Speaker 8: Conservative Party got around twenty eight percent of the vote,
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Speaker 8: The further right Alternative for Germany got around twenty percent
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Speaker 8: of the vote, so together they got around forty eight
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Speaker 8: percent of the votes. Then you have a couple of
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Speaker 8: center left center right parties. But overall this was not
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Speaker 8: a referendum by the people to vote for a significant
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Speaker 8: shift to the right, which is also the result we're
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Speaker 8: going to see.
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Speaker 4: The British historian A. G. B.
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Speaker 8: Taylor once said about the eighteen forty eight revolutions that
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Speaker 8: this was a turning point in history where Germany refused
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Speaker 8: to turn and I think we're experiencing something similar.
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Speaker 2: Well, there was a shift to yeah, I mean, the
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Speaker 2: D doubled its its numbers and the you know, the
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Speaker 2: old government was thrown out in its ear, but it
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Speaker 2: wasn't anything like what was needed. But the real problem is,
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Speaker 2: isn't it that the party which came second, the AfD,
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Speaker 2: the Alliance for deutsch Land, is being banned from participating
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Speaker 2: with any other party from any form of coalition, and
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Speaker 2: that includes a ban imposed by the winner here, which
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Speaker 2: ostensibly is a right wing party too. So the left
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Speaker 2: is still going to be in coalition in government if unless,
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Speaker 2: of course, you know, the Christian Democratic Union changes its mind.
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Speaker 8: Are precise thing, you hit the nail on the head.
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Speaker 8: And even if you look at the results of the
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Speaker 8: Conservative Party, they got twenty eight percent, so one might say, oh,
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Speaker 8: twenty eight percent, that is quite impressive, but in fact
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Speaker 8: it only happened once in twenty twenty one that the
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Speaker 8: cduc Is which is their name, was below thirty percent,
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Speaker 8: So this was their second worst result in history. Now
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Speaker 8: the AfD doubled this vote chaff on around nine percent
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Speaker 8: to twenty percent. And what would say, well, that's very impressive.
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Speaker 8: It is, but if you look at the polls, the
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Speaker 8: expectation was much higher. They were hoping for twenty two
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Speaker 8: to twenty five percent of the vote share, and justifiably so.
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Speaker 8: Think about the things that unfolded in Germany. It's just
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Speaker 8: over the last couple of months you had terrorist attacks
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Speaker 8: with cars with knives. You pretty much have now is
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Speaker 8: stabbing every single week in Germany. Yet the number of
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Speaker 8: people that actually voted for the parties that openly say
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Speaker 8: this needs to change restrictions of my own migration, remigration
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Speaker 8: of criminal foreigners, these parties did not get more than
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Speaker 8: forty eight percent of the vote. And that tells me
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Speaker 8: that the Germans seem to say we won't change, but
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Speaker 8: when they're in the voting booth, they don't vote for it.
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Speaker 8: Un As you correctly pointed out, that's going to be
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Speaker 8: the result.
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Speaker 2: Well, I feel it's also an element of a conspiracy
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Speaker 2: against the voters, to be honest, I mean, what twenty
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Speaker 2: percent of Germans being told they're so far right, how
22:04
Speaker 2: dare they support this? Ifd that whatever they vote, that
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Speaker 2: party will never ever ever be part of any government.
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Speaker 2: It seems to me. Yeah, that seems to be a
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Speaker 2: little undemocratic to me. But then again, you have seen
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Speaker 2: the AfD being demonized as far right and extreme and
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Speaker 2: scary and an air to the Nazis.
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Speaker 4: I don't know, is it.
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Speaker 8: No, No, The af has an interesting party history. It
22:33
Speaker 8: was founded in twenty thirteen. It worked two movements that
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Speaker 8: more or less came together. There was one movement that
22:39
Speaker 8: was an anti immigration movement and another movement that was
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Speaker 8: very critical of the Euro area of the economic policies,
22:45
Speaker 8: especially in light of the great economic crisis of two
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Speaker 8: thousand and eight twenty ten. But they are not a
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Speaker 8: successor party to the Nazis. That is very lazy thinking.
22:54
Speaker 8: I know many journalists do it, but they're not. First
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Speaker 8: of all, they would be banned. I mean, there's a
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Speaker 8: law against having a fascist or Nazi pathy in Germany,
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Speaker 8: so they cannot be the successor party. And secondly, if
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Speaker 8: you look at the party program and you pointed this
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Speaker 8: out quite nicely, Andrew, they are more or less a
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Speaker 8: conventional conservative party as they would have been in the
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Speaker 8: nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties. Now what's interesting is they
23:17
Speaker 8: performed absolutely better than expected in the former East German
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Speaker 8: provinces like in Saxony in Thuringia they get over forty
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Speaker 8: percent of the vote, so they have now a significant
23:28
Speaker 8: voting base in the former communist parts of Germany. The
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Speaker 8: big surprise of the night was actually the so called
23:35
Speaker 8: I know, the name is a little bit annoying. It's
23:37
Speaker 8: called the Left the Linked, which is the successor party
23:41
Speaker 8: to the actual former Unitary Party of Eastern Germany. They
23:45
Speaker 8: were predicted to drop out of parliament just two months ago,
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Speaker 8: and now they got almost ten percent of the vote,
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Speaker 8: particularly among young voters.
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Speaker 2: The world. It's becoming exactly like France with the idea yes, yes,
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Speaker 2: every party is against the National Front or whatever it's
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Speaker 2: calling the National Alliance now and you get a paralysis
24:06
Speaker 2: there where most people are frozen out of the political
24:09
Speaker 2: process and the legitimacy of the government that comes to
24:13
Speaker 2: power is then of course compromised. But there is a
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Speaker 2: wild card in exactly that point, and that wildcard is
24:20
Speaker 2: called Donald Trump. Now he's had his close ally Elon
24:24
Speaker 2: Musk promoting the AfD, that anti immigrant, so called far
24:30
Speaker 2: right party, and Trump's vice president j d Vance. A
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Speaker 2: week ago, Munich warned Europe not to shut out parties
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Speaker 2: at the voters had chosen. So what does this mean
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Speaker 2: for Germany?
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Speaker 8: Well, the big question is we're very often hear from
24:45
Speaker 8: both the extreme right and the extreme left. Well that
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Speaker 8: you know, Europe is a vast love America, and whenever
24:50
Speaker 8: Washington calls the Berlin pousand Dows whatever their overlords in
24:54
Speaker 8: the United States tell them so, I say, somewhat ironically,
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Speaker 8: but I also mean it. Well, then maybe it is
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Speaker 8: time that that Donald Trump or Jene Evans call mister
25:03
Speaker 8: Melts and say, listen, you cannot justice you describe to Andrew,
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Speaker 8: you cannot exclude the AfD and at least have to
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Speaker 8: negotiate with the resident if they enter into negotiations to
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Speaker 8: form a coalition government and then it turns out that
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Speaker 8: there is not enough overlap, well then don't do it.
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Speaker 2: But to categorically say.
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Speaker 8: We cannot even talk to her party that has the
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Speaker 8: support of twenty twenty one percent of the orders is ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: Raffhil Hammer, thank you so much, indeed for your time.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Andrew, it was a pleasure coming on.
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Speaker 2: After they break the Albanizi government's latest scandal, how it
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Speaker 2: turned citiztive ceremonies over the weekend into a naked vote
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Speaker 2: grab head of the election. I'll talk to the local
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Speaker 2: independent MP. It even shut out. Here's one sign of
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Speaker 2: how desperate the Albanizi government now is and how dirty
25:56
Speaker 2: it will fight to survive. Homerfi's missus Tony Burke has
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Speaker 2: rushed through huge citizenship ceremonies so that new immigrants can
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Speaker 2: vote in time for this election, clearly expecting them to
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Speaker 2: vote Labor. In fact, Burke personally hosted three big ceremonies
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Speaker 2: over the weekend to turn four and a half thousand
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Speaker 2: immigrants into citizens at Sydney's Olympic Park, all done near
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Speaker 2: several marginal seats that Labor must hold or with Burke
26:24
Speaker 2: presiding and other Labor MP's also there, plus Labour's candidate
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Speaker 2: for the seat the marginal seat of Fowler to Lee,
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Speaker 2: someone who wasn't there, who wasn't invited, she says, was
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Speaker 2: the actual member for Fowler, Independent MP Daily who joins
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Speaker 2: me now, look great to see you daily. But Tony Burke,
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Speaker 2: he at first seemed to suggest he had invited you,
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Speaker 2: had even done so during a private chat with you.
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Speaker 2: Is that true?
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Speaker 11: No?
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Speaker 12: And I've been saying that Andrew great to be in
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Speaker 12: your program again. I've been speaking, as you know, all
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Speaker 12: day intermedia. I don't know why the Minister would say
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Speaker 12: that when it's actually not the truth. Obviously, Look, the
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Speaker 12: citizenship ceremony is a very important moment, and you know
27:16
Speaker 12: I have become a stratident myself, and I just want
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Speaker 12: us to really focus on how important this significant day
27:23
Speaker 12: is for many new Australians who you know putting a
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Speaker 12: giving a pledge to our country and allegiance to Australia.
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Speaker 12: So it has become such a political you know, the
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Speaker 12: Minister politicizes, the Labor Party politicizes this.
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Speaker 4: So this is the whole issue.
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Speaker 12: And then I found at the end that you know,
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Speaker 12: I was not invited and when they said I was invited.
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Speaker 12: So that's where the whole thing started, because they said
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Speaker 12: that they invited.
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Speaker 4: Me when actually there's no invitation.
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Speaker 12: Now, if they invited me, please show me the invitation
27:54
Speaker 12: because my office never received that invitation in the first place.
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Speaker 12: And then to say that at the at the Liverpool
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Speaker 12: citizenship ceremony which was held last week where I met
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Speaker 12: with the minister who then said that, oh he said
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Speaker 12: it to me in conversation.
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Speaker 4: No, it never took place. Now, why would I lie
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Speaker 4: as somebody who is new in this I am my word.
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Speaker 12: I don't make things up now for somebody like the
28:21
Speaker 12: minister who's been in this game for decades, they're the
28:25
Speaker 12: people that are actually more likely to say things that
28:28
Speaker 12: would take you know, would create, make up, make things up.
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Speaker 4: In this case, he did he make the things up
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Speaker 4: that he said to me.
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Speaker 12: He said he apparently reported that he asked me to
28:38
Speaker 12: be at this home Bush citizenship.
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Speaker 4: During that conversation. No, he never did. If he did,
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Speaker 4: I would say so.
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Speaker 2: I think he's one of the backside to cover. So
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Speaker 2: I tend to follow your theory there of who had
28:53
Speaker 2: most to gain by not telling the truth. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister today claimed there was actually no need to invite you.
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Speaker 2: So it seems that are shifting ground here. There wasn't
29:03
Speaker 2: any need to invite you anyway. They invited your opponent,
29:07
Speaker 2: that a labor opponent. They no need to invite you
29:10
Speaker 2: since the Olympic Stadium where these ceremonies were held or
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Speaker 2: home Bush isn't even in your electorate. Here's the Prime minister.
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Speaker 3: This is a complete non story. This was a big
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Speaker 3: citizenship ceremony in Homebush, which is in the electorate of Reed.
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Speaker 3: Nowhere else the elector of Reed, not even next to Fowler.
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Speaker 2: So it's a Prime minister right, there was no need
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Speaker 2: to invite you, although it did invite your labor opponent.
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Speaker 4: Well, can I say it's no need to invite me.
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Speaker 4: It wasn't outside of my electorate.
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Speaker 12: Well, the member for where I was there, and so
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Speaker 12: is the Member for ben Along, so as the Member
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Speaker 12: for Paramatta.
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Speaker 4: Now that's not in their electorate either. So and then
29:51
Speaker 4: as you.
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Speaker 12: Mentioned the candidate, and she's not even you know, she's
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Speaker 12: the endorsed labor candidate for Fowler. She's not a candidate
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Speaker 12: yet because they haven't called an election yet. So in
30:04
Speaker 12: the Citizenship Ceremony Code you're supposed to you must he
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Speaker 12: must invite the sitting member and of any political party.
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Speaker 4: So that's in the Citizenship Ceremonies Code. They obviously did
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Speaker 4: not hit it that code.
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Speaker 12: So I think the Prime Minister obviously is covering something
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Speaker 12: there by saying that it's not within my electorate.
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Speaker 4: Well, other MP's, other labor MPs were there, so why
30:30
Speaker 4: wasn't I there? It's not about me.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's so obvious. Every local labor MP. There a
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Speaker 2: you word, Well, how about that daily thank you so much. Indeed,
30:44
Speaker 2: what a scandal. It's disgusting, it really is. After the
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Speaker 2: break that had my ceremony last week, Palestinians celebrating the
30:56
Speaker 2: killing of two Jewish children strangle to death, says Israel Well,
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Speaker 2: an expert on the Qur'an, explains perhaps why that all
31:06
Speaker 2: happened and what it means for us. These past few days,
31:14
Speaker 2: we have seen in Ghaza scenes of a very sick culture,
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Speaker 2: so evil by Western standards that I believe we must
31:22
Speaker 2: realize we really do face a clash of values of civilizations.
31:28
Speaker 2: They can't be negotiated away. They can't be sold by
31:31
Speaker 2: some peace deal. Har Mass on Thursday released what it
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Speaker 2: said with the bodies of Jewish hostages. Hostage Shiri Bibas
31:38
Speaker 2: and her children Arian Kfer, taken with her sixteen months ago.
31:44
Speaker 2: Hamas claim to being killed in captivity by Israeli bombs,
31:47
Speaker 2: which turns out to be a liaesis Israel. After a
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Speaker 2: post mortem of the remains, the boys, it seems were strangled.
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Speaker 13: Ariel and Pilbibas were murdered by terrorists in cold blood.
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Speaker 13: The terrorists did not shoot the two young boys, they
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Speaker 13: killed them with their bare hands. Afterwards they committed oorific
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Speaker 13: acts to cover up these atrocities.
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Speaker 2: What's more, the body of their mother returned by Hamas
32:22
Speaker 2: was of actually some other women. Now all this is
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Speaker 2: one thing. Another is Hamas and the crowd crowing over
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Speaker 2: the bodies of these children and their mother. They played
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Speaker 2: triumphant music. The crowds cheered the coffins of the babies
32:49
Speaker 2: as they were driven past. Palestinian children took to the
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Speaker 2: stage of the handover the coffins to chant greetings to
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Speaker 2: the military wing of Hamas that had paraded the coffins
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Speaker 2: of the dead baby and the dead toddler. And one
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Speaker 2: final barbaric touch that a lot of the news outlets missed.
33:27
Speaker 2: Hamas even brought along some of the remaining Jewish hostages
33:32
Speaker 2: who weren't being released on that day to watch from
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Speaker 2: cars the hostages who were going home, and it filmed
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Speaker 2: their distress for propaganda. Got to ask yourself, would Israel
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Speaker 2: do something that cruel, that torture with any army of
33:48
Speaker 2: the West. You were seeing they're not criminals, but in
33:52
Speaker 2: my view a culture. Now joining me is an author
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Speaker 2: and scholar of the Quran, Anglican priest Mark Jury. He's
33:59
Speaker 2: written this wonderful academic text that you will not find
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Speaker 2: a your local bookshop unfortunately, the Koran and its biblical reflexes,
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Speaker 2: which doesn't sound sexy, but about the writing of the Qoran,
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Speaker 2: the inspiration how it was invented, essentially in part from Christianity.
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Speaker 2: A brilliant book. He's a senior research fellow at the
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Speaker 2: Melbourne School of Theology and a writing fellow for the
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Speaker 2: Middle East Forum. Mark Jury, thank you so much for
34:24
Speaker 2: your time. It seems to be inconceivable that any armed
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Speaker 2: force of the West would crow over the bodies of
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Speaker 2: a baby and a four year old. I mean, there'd
34:37
Speaker 2: be an element of shame or sadness or gravity or whatever.
34:41
Speaker 2: But this was not. This was not, And I'm just
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Speaker 2: wondering if you can, if you know of any cultural
34:48
Speaker 2: or even Koranic explanation or factor that might account for
34:53
Speaker 2: this difference.
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Speaker 1: I think it is part of the dehumanized, the dehumanizing
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Speaker 1: of the of the infidels, of the infidel enemies. They
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Speaker 1: see these bodies as just emblems of their victory and
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Speaker 1: their dominance, not as real human beings who have been
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Speaker 1: tragically deprived of life by their own actions.
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Speaker 2: As a result of their own actions, I've seen no
35:22
Speaker 2: revulsion from Islamic spokespeople around the world the scenes we've
35:27
Speaker 2: just seen which have caused such horror in the West.
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Speaker 2: None of that. And it fits into a pattern of
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Speaker 2: the Islamic leaders I'm not saying the majority of Muslim
35:39
Speaker 2: believers here, I'm saying the Islamic leadership a failure condemned
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Speaker 2: to condemn horror after horror after horror, including October seven,
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Speaker 2: the vast majority of them. It's more than a pattern.
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Speaker 2: Here are we talking again about a cultural factor, religious factor,
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Speaker 2: the same sort of thing that you were just talking about.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think there is a religious factor. That is
36:06
Speaker 1: that the Qur'an says that Muslims are the best people
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Speaker 1: that have been raised up for humankind. There's a sense
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Speaker 1: of their superiority, and part of that superiority is inflicting
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Speaker 1: horror or terror on disbelievers.
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Speaker 2: So there's a.
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Speaker 1: They don't Some Muslims don't see that as a problem.
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Speaker 1: They see that as as in fact, part of Islam's
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Speaker 1: destiny to rule, to incite fear. Not all Muslims, of course,
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Speaker 1: think like this, but there is strong a mandate within
36:42
Speaker 1: the Islamic theology for having this very differentiated view of
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Speaker 1: the world that we are superior, we are masters, we
36:49
Speaker 1: are going to dominate.
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Speaker 2: When you see that, are we're facing a civilizational or
36:55
Speaker 2: religious divide that is perhaps one that you can't overcome.
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Speaker 2: You've got to accept that's it and make some conclusions
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Speaker 2: based on that. Yes, it's a.
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Speaker 1: I think there is a fundamental difference between a Biblical worldview,
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Speaker 1: which sees human beings as of inherent value made in
37:15
Speaker 1: the image of God. I love your neighbors yourself, which
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Speaker 1: is in Leviticus, love the outside of the foreigner as yourself.
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Speaker 1: This is very different from an Islamic worldview, which sees
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Speaker 1: men as dominant over women and believers as dominant over disbelievers.
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Speaker 1: There's a fundamental asymmetry in the way human beings are viewed.
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Speaker 2: From us.
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Speaker 1: Is also seeking to stir up support for their cause,
37:43
Speaker 1: so these images are sent, as it were, to terrify
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Speaker 1: or intimidate the West, but also to inspire true believers
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Speaker 1: in their cause, which is to establish an Islamic caliphate,
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Speaker 1: to manifest politically the dominance of Islam in the world,
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Speaker 1: to be victorious for other. So they're seeking to have
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Speaker 1: that duel effect, intimidate the disbelievers and encourage the believers
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Speaker 1: about their success. I mean, really, when you think about
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Speaker 1: Gaza's being destroyed, it's a horrible story and it's a
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Speaker 1: tragic story for the people of Gaza. And yet Hamas
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Speaker 1: is trying to seize victory out of the ruins of
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Speaker 1: their towns and cities. And that's a psychological exercise of
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Speaker 1: asserting their dominance in the face of all the evidence
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Speaker 1: to the contrary in terms of what they've gone through.
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Speaker 2: Now, meanwhile, we've got here in Sydney, we've got a Sikh,
38:41
Speaker 2: Ibrahim dad Dune, who the day after Hama slaughtered twelve
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Speaker 2: hundred Israelis and kidnapped those two children and one hundred
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Speaker 2: and forty nine others as well, celebrated like this here
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Speaker 2: is I'm smiling and.
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Speaker 4: I'm happy, I'm in that's a day of courage.
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Speaker 2: Now, Mark Jury, the Australian newspaper now reports this shape
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Speaker 2: to do. It's been very prominent in leading Muslim bodies
39:26
Speaker 2: here that he's now suggested that Israel is behind anti
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Speaker 2: Jewish attacks in Australia. It reports it on the weekend
39:35
Speaker 2: to doing told followers, when will the ASIO boss tell
39:40
Speaker 2: the Strones? If the Mossad Israeli spy agency, if the
39:44
Speaker 2: Mossad had anything to do with the wave of manufactured
39:48
Speaker 2: anti Semitic attacks conducted by known criminals. It is highly likely,
39:53
Speaker 2: in fact plausible and a real possibility that Mossad manufactured
39:58
Speaker 2: the wave of anti Semitic attacks. Is this shape Dedern
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Speaker 2: just fantasizing on his own or again, are they cultural
40:06
Speaker 2: factors behind the peddling of such conspiracy theories.
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Speaker 1: So it's a combination of different factors. The Middle East
40:13
Speaker 1: is a wash with conspiracy theories. In any case, there's
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Speaker 1: a kind of loss of ability to kind of use
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Speaker 1: logic and reason. There's this desire to be in the
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Speaker 1: position of the victim and to deflect negative tension from
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Speaker 1: the Muslim community. It actually just is not to his
40:31
Speaker 1: credit at all, like it would make most Australians. So
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Speaker 1: that's just mad, you know, it's crazy thing to say
40:37
Speaker 1: and shows no sympathy or knowledge or understanding of the
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Speaker 1: situation of Jews in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Either, I think there's a really interesting tension there there
40:46
Speaker 2: not ashamed or some are not ashamed and they film
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Speaker 2: this stuff, and then there is another is some sort
40:53
Speaker 2: of uneasiness about it, and then they say, no, it's
40:56
Speaker 2: actually the Jews that did it. Somehow, there's got to
40:58
Speaker 2: be some sort of intellect or grappling of that within
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Speaker 2: Islam about that tension between shame or pride. Get it straight,
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Speaker 2: Mark Jury, thank you so much, indeed for your time,
41:11
Speaker 2: really appreciated.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Andrew, it's good talking.
41:16
Speaker 2: After the break, the fight back begins. One political leader
41:20
Speaker 2: is in strife after being the only one of eight
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Speaker 2: speakers at one event who didn't pay respects through traditional owners,
41:28
Speaker 2: which raises the question how much of too much is enough?
41:37
Speaker 2: An important cultural revolution has started in the Northern Territory
41:41
Speaker 2: the new Colp government of Chief Minister Leah Finochiara. Last
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Speaker 2: one said, those ludicrous rules about removing children stolen generation's
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Speaker 2: rules about not letting white foster parents look after Aboriginal
41:54
Speaker 2: children in danger, and this was absolutely no other option.
41:58
Speaker 2: They must be dropped. The children must come before this
42:01
Speaker 2: so called cultural consideration. You know, white parents who And
42:08
Speaker 2: now there's an uproar supposedly that one of the eight
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Speaker 2: speakers at last week's ceremony in Darwin to remember the
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Speaker 2: Japanese bombing of that city eighty three years ago, did
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Speaker 2: not pay their respects to traditional earners. Seven of the
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Speaker 2: speakers did again and again and again.
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Speaker 11: I give our respect to the Larakia people, elders, men
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Speaker 11: and women, to all first nations custodians present, I also
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Speaker 11: pay my respect.
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Speaker 1: I acknowledge the Larakaa people, and pay my respects to
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Speaker 1: their elders past and present.
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Speaker 2: And I acknowledge also, of course the Larakaa people, whose
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Speaker 2: soil it also was if the adversary had succeeded or
42:55
Speaker 2: was lost, like.
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Speaker 3: To acknowledge the Larachaa people, the nutritional liners of the
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Speaker 3: land on which we meet.
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Speaker 5: And I see quite a few friends from the Larrakia people, Billawara,
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Speaker 5: good to see you.
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Speaker 2: But Chief Minister Fiocchio was the only speaker there who wouldn't.
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Speaker 14: I'd like to pay a special acknowledgment to the veterans
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Speaker 14: here today, to territorians, to serving men and women, to
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Speaker 14: the families and descendants of survivors, ladies and gentlemen, but
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Speaker 14: also importantly to our.
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Speaker 2: Children under attack. For that today, if Nachaierio said, I'm
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Speaker 2: proud of acknowledged veterans at the bombing of Darwin and
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Speaker 2: as Chief Minister I represent all Territorians. There is absolutely
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Speaker 2: no need for every speaker in an event to do
43:42
Speaker 2: an acknowledgement of country, and in fact the repetition the
43:45
Speaker 2: people are so used to under labor is less impactful.
43:48
Speaker 2: Johnmor Stephen Trevera is an author and a senior lecturer
43:51
Speaker 2: in history of Campion College and Christo Mthsweeney Communications consultants
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Speaker 2: work for Coalition in Prime Ministers and Premier Stephen should
43:59
Speaker 2: the Chief Minutes had joined everyone else in paying respects
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Speaker 2: to wildness past present.
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Speaker 9: No, she did the right thing and I think we
44:06
Speaker 9: should all be very proud of her. That was a
44:08
Speaker 9: gutsy thing that she did. Here's the thing that you know,
44:11
Speaker 9: many of the people behind these gestures say, oh that
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Speaker 9: these things just organically emerge, they're purely voluntary. But when
44:19
Speaker 9: you resist, when you don't do it, then you find
44:21
Speaker 9: out how voluntary it is. You come under all sorts
44:24
Speaker 9: of criticism. These were always political things to begin with.
44:29
Speaker 9: Whether it's an acknowledgment of country, whether it's a welcome
44:31
Speaker 9: to country, they're all designed to destabilize a sense of
44:36
Speaker 9: unity in Australia and a sense of equality between Indigenous
44:40
Speaker 9: and non Indigenous Australians. That's what they're all about. They're
44:43
Speaker 9: all very, very political and again it's all done in
44:46
Speaker 9: the name of reconciliation. But what we're seeing is that
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Speaker 9: reconciliation is really just another word for submission. That is,
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Speaker 9: you submit to the way we say things are or else. Now,
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Speaker 9: the great thing is there's a vibe shift in Australia.
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Speaker 9: It was kicked off by the voice. It's continuing with
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Speaker 9: this and there's going to be a huge pushback. This
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Speaker 9: is just the beginning.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of that, Christie? I mean I
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Speaker 2: once refuse to do it. I paid a tribute to
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Speaker 2: everyone present, whatever their race, in the hall in front
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Speaker 2: of me, and left the former Liberal minister I won't
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Speaker 2: Maybe you mentioned his name, shaking with rage. What do
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Speaker 2: you make of it?
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Speaker 15: Look, I think politicians feel that they're compelled to do so,
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Speaker 15: and half the time they do get talking points and
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Speaker 15: briefing notes very quickly in the car on the way
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Speaker 15: to events, and those talking points in briefing notes are
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Speaker 15: written by public service officials, who of course back this
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Speaker 15: type of cultural indoctrination to their healt. But in the
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Speaker 15: case of the Chief minister. She has not long been elected.
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Speaker 15: She is the best judge of her constituents and what
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Speaker 15: they want to hear in public. She did mention all Territorians.
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Speaker 15: I would assume that encompasses every single Territorian. And I
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Speaker 15: think it's also time constraints as well. You have seven
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Speaker 15: people making an acknowledgment to country. It's like when every
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Speaker 15: single person stands up and acknowledges every other single politician
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Speaker 15: in the room. It does take a really, really long time.
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Speaker 15: And of course it's not an indigenous focused event, it's
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Speaker 15: an RSL event. Yes, indigenous veterans did fish in every
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Speaker 15: single war Australia.
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Speaker 4: Has had.
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Speaker 15: Everyone else acknowledge exactly. She encompassed the acknowledgment of all
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Speaker 15: veterans and all territorians.
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Speaker 2: I don't get it either, as seven was more than nothing.
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Speaker 2: Don't forget there was also a five minute welcome to
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Speaker 2: country on top of that. Stephen from a university assuming
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Speaker 2: the Macquarie Versus complained that she was forced to complete
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Speaker 2: two long tests about average and culture and global warming
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Speaker 2: before she was allowed access to the student portal. Just
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Speaker 2: that the course she actually paid for in creative running.
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Speaker 2: This is just brainwashing. Isn't it.
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Speaker 9: What are they putting in the water at Macquarie University.
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Speaker 9: They give us Raygun, they give us Randa Abdelfatar, who
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Speaker 9: can't say that her mass is a terrorist organization, and
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Speaker 9: now they've got these mandatory woke tests. I went onto
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Speaker 9: the Mcquarie University website and looked at their diversity, equity
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Speaker 9: inclusion website and it said that basically they are inclusive
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Speaker 9: of everyone from any quote culture, language, gender, sexual orientation,
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Speaker 9: age ability, socioeconomic and religion end quote. Nowhere did you
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Speaker 9: find diversity of opinion. And this is just this is
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Speaker 9: a virtue signal of some dean out there who wants
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Speaker 9: to look all woken virtuous, and so they've just in
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Speaker 9: this on the students. Students absolutely need to complain about
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Speaker 9: this and have it overturned. Sad the other universities have
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Speaker 9: done it in the past as.
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Speaker 2: Real totally agree. And this is the thing, Christie, I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is someone imposing their values on students. I mean,
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Speaker 2: let everyone think what they think.
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Speaker 15: Well, Andrew and viewers, let me tell you I have
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Speaker 15: a master's degree in politics from Mcquarie University, which I
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Speaker 15: had to go to more with the dean of politics
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Speaker 15: at mcquarie University to get my work remarked because I
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Speaker 15: did my Masters by course work a significant portion on
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Speaker 15: the Howard government, and you tried telling an academic that
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Speaker 15: they were wrong because you were actually there in the
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Speaker 15: room when that decision was made. So I failed, but
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Speaker 15: then of course got on to went on to have
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Speaker 15: glowing marks. This cultural learning portal that people have to
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Speaker 15: undertake and to get access to their classroom content is
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Speaker 15: one and a half hours long. Now university is on
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Speaker 15: the one hand, say students to stretch. They're having to
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Speaker 15: work longer and longer hours to pay higher and hire
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Speaker 15: hex it's not fair. And on the other hand, they're
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Speaker 15: making them sit down and learn content that they haven't
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Speaker 15: paid for in those hecks that they haven't signed up
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Speaker 15: to that takes one and a half hours to do
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Speaker 15: before they can access official university systems. That is pretty
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Speaker 15: bad form. You can't have it both ways universities.
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Speaker 2: It's such an imposition. Christy McSweeney, Stephen TREVERA, thank you
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Speaker 2: so much to you both. That's it for me. Coming
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Speaker 2: up next, Sherry markson good note,