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Across the SpiderVerse: JUST JOE EDITION · May The Review Be With You

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I'm gonna go ahead and apologize in advance for the sound quality of this particular
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podcast. I only realize at the very end of it that I was recording
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without my microphone, or at least my proper one anyway, So if it
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sounds a little bad, it's because I'm dumb. Anyway, enjoyed the show.
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Hello, and welcome to May the Review be with you? With just
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Joe no Nick today and Nick is off abroad out of the country, I
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am sure having the time of his life. I keep seeing videos of him
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wakesurfing, and it's been flop after flop, but I have finally seen some
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progress and he's looking good. He's looking like he's having a lot of fun.
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Nick. When you eventually hear this, I applaud you today I am
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covering by myself Spider Man Across the Universe. This is absolutely the kind of
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movie that Nick and I would one hundred percent review together, but with him
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being out of the country, we would probably skip this as more movies that
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we're going to cover together are coming out, and it would be a shame
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to not have this on the podcast. Since we are both huge Spider Man
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fans, have been forever we were indoctor NATed thanks to the nineties cartoon back
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of the day, as I'm sure many of you were as well. But
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like I said, today, it's all about Across the Spider Verse. Directed
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by Joaquin Dos Santos, Kemp Powers, and Justin Kate Thompson. We have
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a different trifecta of directors coming into this movie, which is pretty cool.
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However, I believe Justin Kate Thompson was actually one of the producers on the
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original film Into the Spider Verse. Now, outside of that, a lot
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of the same faces. Phil Lord of course is one of the writers of
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the film, as he was in the first film, but he's got his
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partner helping him write this movie as well. We have Christopher Miller back in
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the helm of the writer's seat, as well as David Callum. As far
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as this episode of May the review goes, probably gonna keep it a little
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short today since it's just me, I'm just gonna try and get some my
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initial thoughts out there. I just saw the movie on Saturday. I couldn't
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see it on opening night like I wanted to, and the same thing happened
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with Friday, so I got into a Saturday theater. This resonated pretty well.
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I mean pretty much. Anyone who is who's been a fan of Spider
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Man over the years, and you've been tracking the character through different sorts of
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media, you're gonna really really love this movie. There there is so many
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references to Spider Man media from over the decades. It's it's absolutely wild.
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Whether you know you were a fan before the nineties cartoon or you became a
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fan because of that nineties cartoon, You're gonna see a lot in there.
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And I'm gonna go over a few of those references in a bit, But
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first's talk about how this movie is doing so far. Since prior to Guardians
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of the Galaxy, there was some talk on whether or not superhero films were
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done, and to me, that just doesn't seem like that was ever the
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case. It felt like that we were just kind of going through a bit
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of a slump at the time. There was a lot of talk after Ant
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Manner the Wass quantumnia came out that perhaps that the long heralding champions of the
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box office superheroes were finally done, that they had been toppled. Well,
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that does not appear to be the case. We have Guardians of the Galaxy
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Three, which smashed the box office, and across or yeah, across the
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Spider Verse has done extremely well. On its opening night, it had a
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fifty one million dollar opener and this weekend it's made a collective of one hundred
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and twenty point five million dollars opening weekend. That is the number two strongest
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box office this year for weekend results. The only one beating that is,
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of course, the Super Mario Bros. Movie, which that is going to
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be tough to beat. That movie is just crushing it. Now, as
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far as the movie is concerned, I've got some thoughts. This was a
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weird movie to watch. And for the record, this is going to be
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a spoiler review for anyone who has not seen the movie. I strongly recommend
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that you turn back thinking about this movie as compared it to the first film.
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I think that anyone who might suggest that this movie is better than the
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first film in any way, I think there are certain points to that.
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Overall, I think the first film is a masterpiece, and we could probably
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have several episodes dedicated as to why that is the case. As far as
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this movie goes, it doesn't feel right to compare it to the first film.
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Yet I say that mostly because and I don't think that this is a
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spoiler, but this is a part one, you know, part two beyond
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the Spider Verse, that comes out next year March twenty fourth, twenty twenty
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four, and or excuse me, I think it's March twenty ninth, twenty
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twenty four, and you know, very much it's it's certainly not built the
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way like a traditional trilogy might be, you know, with each film leading
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into another, but each film being able to stand on its own. Perhaps
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this is not that case, at least in the idea that the first movie
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is absolutely cut and dry its own story. This movie very much sets up
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for a part two, for a third film, as if it's going to
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pick up immediately after the events of the ending. And we'll get to the
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ending, but first, you know, let's talk about when it comes to
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sequels. I think there's always a good question whether or not a sequel is
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even warranted, you know, watching that first film, I think, at
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least for a lot of film enthusiasts, there might have been some concern when
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the first one did so well and there was talk about making a sequel,
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and of course there was going to be a sequel, right. That movie
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made so much money, it was beloved by fans, it was absolutely going
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to produce a second So that being the case, with the first one being
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self contained, does it warrant a sequel? Well, it pretty much justifies
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itself in this movie, heralding back to certain events from the first film in
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really organic ways. There was what I had believed in the first film to
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be a loose end that was never really addressed, but it was certainly apparent
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enough that our filmmakers wanted us to see that Spider forty two, the spider
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that bites Miles, is not from the sixteen to ten dimension where Miles lives.
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We see that phasing in and out of reality happened to the spider,
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just as it happens to all the other Spider people are not Miles, right,
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So it was pretty clear that they were trying to tell us that,
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and I thought that that was interesting, that it was a spider from a
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different dimension that gave Miles his powers, and perhaps that would make him special
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in some sort of way. Well, it's not really ever addressed in the
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first film, right, However, that's actually a major plot point of the
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second film, and we are given our antagonist, The Spot, who,
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again, if you were a nineties Spider Man fan, this was very rewarding
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to see the Spot come into life in the big screen, which was really
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pretty cool. He's played by Jason Schwartzman, who personally I've known him as
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Gideon in everything I see him in from now on. For his portrayal as
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Gideon in Scott Pilgrim Versus the World, he's great. He's both extremely goofy
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and extremely menacing. I mean, everyone in this movie really sells the character
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that they are portraying, and Shortsman's certainly no exception to that. But in
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talking about the Spot, the Spot is very much our I guess you could
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call him our catalyst, you know, for the events that move forward,
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and he too is tied to the events of the first movie, which I
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don't think that this was planted the same way that Spider forty two was,
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but they made it work him being one of the scientists that Miles throws a
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bagel at when they're escaping alcam X, which I am so glad that that's
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how they decided to integrate that villain, and he very much tells Miles that
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you know, he's the one who brought Spider forty two into their universe,
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so he created Miles. And in similar fashion with Miles spurning the spot with
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a bagel and then later destroying the collider that helps create the spot, he
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says that Miles created him, so they're very much entwined, and he wants
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revenge on Spider Man. We're going to get back to the role of this
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villain a little bit later for things I want to talk about after we go
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over the initial story so well. As I mentioned before, this movie's kind
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of hard to rate, so I'm gonna actually not rate the story yet.
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We're gonna have to wait next year. Just as you will have to wait
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for the continuity of the end of the trilogy, you will have to wait
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for my final score of this movie. But let's go ahead and talk about
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the story. So Act one, we have our one more time with Gwen's
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Stacy, of course, played by Hailey Seinfield, who again is awesome in
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this film. If you were ever a Spider Gwen fan and you bought her
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comics, then you would have recognized the art style of her world very much
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is complete tribute to that of Jason Latour, one of the artists for the
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one and two comic books of Spider Gwen. I've got those. They're awesome.
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The whole like first ten minutes of the movie is almost like spot on
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what issue number one is, even with the introduction of the Vulture. Of
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course, it's a different vulture. It's some sort of renaissance vulture. Which
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this is where we get the multiverse coming into play here, right, there's
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a problem with the multiverse. We learned that it's because of the events of
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the collider exploding in the first film. And Miguel O'Hara very much plays the
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same kind of same kind of role as Spider UK from the original Spider Verse
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comics. You know, he is gathering up the Spider Society, he's bringing
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them to his world of the twenty ninety nine universe, and he's gathered many
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Spider people to help him take out these anomalies who are bleeding into other universes.
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So he's very much playing a cleanup crew sort of character. Right,
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they take in Gwen for her father, Captain Stacy finds out or right after
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Captain Stacy finds out that she is Spider Web and she or I guess they
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refer to her a Spider woman. Excuse me, spider woman, right,
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she ends up joining the Spider Society. We move forward, we get to
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see how Miles is doing. He's very much doing some Peter Parker stuff,
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trying to balance his two lives a Spider Man and being a student. It's
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not working out. Great fight scene with the Spot here where it's just one
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of the most awkward fights ever. It's it's right out of the comic books
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of the Spot tripping over himself Miles. You know, we get to see
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him really like hone his powers here. This guy is actually a great time
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to talk about some of the animation in this movie. So the animation into
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the Spider Verse is, you know, absolutely fantastic. There have been a
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number of films since into the Spider Verse, number of animated films that have
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come out that have absolutely been borrowing from that movie. You know. The
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most recent that comes to mind, of course, is Puts Some Boots.
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The last wish. I believe the other guys, what was it the other
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guys. I don't think that's what it's called the bad guys. I think
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maybe that's what it was. I think it's the bad Guys, right,
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not the other guys. Yeah, it's the bad guys. The Bad Guys
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very much has that same art style. There's there's a number of films that
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are very much doing that that two D three D animation that Into the Spider
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Verse did, and it doesn't again in this film. Of course, however,
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there's so many different animated characters from other universes who all represent different kinds
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of animation, which is really cool to see that that's how we are defining
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differences, and it's consistent throughout. There's even a couple of and I'll get
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into this one to talk about cameos, but we see actual people throughout the
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movie who are not animated, and you know, they are not given an
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animation to blend in with everybody else. They very much, you know,
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live as they are as we have come to see them in previous live action
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films. Right. One big difference though, that I would say between the
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animation from the first film and this current film is the fluidity. Now,
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there are some really creative images and fight sequences in the first film, but
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I would say, if I am going to compare these two films, now
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here's a great place to do it because this film honestly makes some of the
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fight scenes in the first film look boring. And that is nothing against the
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first film. As I've already mentioned, I love the first film. It's
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fantastic, there's nothing boring about it. But in comparing the sequences, like
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it's so apparent to me that those who were animating the second learn so much
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from the first and built on that and created all of these dynamic action sequences
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where these you know, these people, these spider characters who are capable of
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perceiving the world in different perspectives than your normal average show and hit heck,
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even your normal superhero you know, with with their acrobatics, their ability to
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hang off of walls be upside down. We get to see all these insane
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choreograph fight scenes are not choreographed but planned out fight scenes that that just blow
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me away. And like I said, they're just so much faster and more
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fluid than in the previous film. It's it's really hard to describe. I
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really got to talk to someone who knows more about animation to really shed some
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light on that. I would love to know their thoughts. So the end
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of the first act is miles of course, leaving his universe to chase Gwen.
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He learns that Gwen wasn't being entirely forthcoming when she came to visit him
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after his fight with the Spot, that really she's there because of the Spot,
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and the Spot has left this universe to make himself more powerful, because
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he realizes he has the power to tap into the multiverse, and if he
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can do that, then truly Miles will have to respect him when he takes
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everything away from Miles. It's really our setup, not just for across the
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Spider Verse, but also beyond the Spider Verse, because after after the next
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scene, we really don't see much of the Spot anymore. The next scene
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brings us to the home of Spider Man India, who is played by Caron
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Sony, who I believe is the same actor who we've seen in Deadpool.
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I can't remember his name, the character's name in Deadpool. I think it's
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Dopeinder Dopender. I believe that's right. But anyway, he's back and he
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is our Spider Man India. Again. Another really fluid seen here happens.
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Miles is able to save a police captain during this sequence. The police captain
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who was the father of the love interest for Spider Man India who That character
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in particular has one of my favorite existential moments in that original story where he
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questions he's the only character who questions that each Spider Man character appears to be
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some sort of echo of Peter Parker of six sixteen, and how everything appears
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to be revolving around him, and if that is indeed the case, then
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what is even the point of his own existence, of Spider Man India's existence
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and all of the other Spider people do they live only to echo off of
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the six to sixteen story. Unfortunately, I don't believe that line of questioning
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ever actually goes anywhere unless it's mentioned in Spider Again or any of the sequels
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to Spider Verse. I'm really not sure, but it is one of my
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favorite lines of meta questioning that happens in that original story. So it was
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neat to see this character come to life anyway. So things start going bananas
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here once the Spot gets his hands on the Collider and merges with its power
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and gains some kind of multiversal omnipotence, right, some kind of mastery over
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the multiverse, and we get a premonition that He's gonna kill Miles's dad.
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He's gonna kill Jefferson Davis, who is played by Brian Tyree Henry, who
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I adore as an actor, and once again kills it as Jefferson Davis in
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this movie. There is a break here, as you know, we continue
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through Act two. We get to go to the Spiders Society in Spider Man
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twenty ninety nine universe, Miguel Harro's universe, and we get so many amazing
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cameos in this sequence. And I'm gonna get back to the story here in
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a second. I just need to talk about some of the cameos. One
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that I skipped earlier when the spot is discovering his power is missus Chen from
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Venom, which was probably there's there's no one who would have expected missus Chen
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to make a cameo appearances. But if you said you did, I don't
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believe you. Show me a date in which you know you wrote that somewhere
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online. I challenge you to do that. I would love to be proven
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wrong here. The cameo that probably everyone is talking about is Aaron Davis.
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However, the Aaron Davis that I'm referring to is Donald Glover's Aaron Davis from
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Spider Man Homecoming, and he's actually in the Prowler outfit. And everyone in
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my theater just erupted when this happened, myself included. To me, it's
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not immediately clear that this is the same Donald Glover. This is the same
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Aaron Davis from Homecoming, right, I mean it's probably it probably is,
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but there's no confirmation on that yet, right. If anything, maybe it
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is, and this serves as a purpose, or it serves as an explanation
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as to why we have not seen this character since the Homecoming movie, because
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he's been stuck here as a prisoner in the Spiders society. My personal favorite
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cameo in this movie is absolutely Josh Keyt, the voice of Peter Parker from
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the Spectacular Spider Man cartoon back in the day on Kids WB This was so
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unexpected to me. Josh Keen has played Peter Parker in a number of different
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media, however, I believe this is the one he's most well known for.
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This was a beloved series. If you've never seen it and you're a
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Spider Man fan, you should absolutely go watch The Spectacular Spider Man. Another
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one that people were probably extremely excited about was Yuri Lobenthraal Love Andhal I believe
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his name is, who, of course, plays Peter Parker spider Man in
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Sony's Spider Man video game that's been getting so much popularity over the years.
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The trailer for Spider Man two came out not long ago as I'm recording this,
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and people are seem divided on the venomsuit, but they seem like they're
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still excited. There's a lot of talk about this game, so I'm sure
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people were thrilled to see him in this movie since I believe in no way
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home there was actually a reference to the video games if I recall correctly,
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Like one of the finishing moves that Tom Hollands Spider Man puts on Green Goblin
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is like a finishing move from the first game. I recall people on Twitter
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like going nuts over that I played the first game, but I in no
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way shaperform recognized that move. I guess I'm not as much of a fan
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of that game as everybody else is, but still super fun. All the
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canon knows. I'm sure I'm missing a few here. JK. Simmons reprising
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his role as j Jonah Jamison, but he plays. This is interesting.
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He plays j Jonah Jamison, and like every dimension Jjoben and Jamison is in.
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Every time JJ appears, JJJ appears, it's j K. Simmons every
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single time. I believe it's it's him in Lego version, it's him in
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Miles' universe. I think he might make an appearance or his voice makes an
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appearance in Earth sixty five Gwen's universe as well. I'm not sure any who.
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Getting back to the story of this, Oscar Isaac playing Miguel O'Hara,
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a Spider Man who does not laugh they jokingly refer to, explains to Miles
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that the issue of what has happened, it's not just that there is a
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villain with multiversal ending power, but Miles put a universe in danger by saving
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a police captain, and he brings up that that is a canon event that
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happens in every universe where there is a Spider Man, that a Spider person
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must become close with a captain and that captain will die, similar to a
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Paige triarchal or patriarchal character being close to Spider Man who dies, which of
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course for Miles that is Uncle Aaron. Whereas most other characters. This is
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Uncle Ben. Gwen is a bit of an exception here. It's not a
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patriarchal character, but it is an important male in her life, that of
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course being Peter Parker who died as a lizard to her. Now, this
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was an interesting meta commentary. Like I mentioned earlier with Spider Man India mentioning
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be getting really meta with his commentary, they started to do the same thing
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here, and the canon event certainly sounds like the same thing that was talked
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about in the what If series with Doctor Strange about how his his Oh my
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goodness, I'm gonna forget her name right now. It's Christine, right,
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it's Christine Palmer. No, I just remember it. Yep. RICHL mcdonnon's
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Christine Palmer. Okay, So in trying to save Christine Palmer in that universe,
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you know, he has to let her go, like he has to
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let her death go because that was a cannon event. Who has to have
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Which that's really interesting that the show makes that distinction, right because like our
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doctor Strange didn't lose Christine Palmer. So apparently there are some universes where that's
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not a cannon event, which that's fine. But this movie suggests that if
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you are a character, you know, a defined character, there is a
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canon that you must follow. Right. I guess it's different if you're a
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Spider person rather than a doctor Strange. I don't know, but that is
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what this movie says. And we come to find out that Miles is no
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different. His father is about to be made captain and that the Spot is
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going to kill him and Miles just has to accept that. Of course,
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Miles doesn't accept that, and we get this amazing chase scene with all the
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Spider People and Miles as he lures them out of the building. Also,
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we get one more imposter Spider Man pointing scene, which, like that joke
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has now been used three times. I don't think they can do it again.
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I don't think that that. I think they've hit the peak of that
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joke. We have seen the top of the mountain with it. If they
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do it again in the third movie, I don't understand how the world or
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the multiverse they would possibly top themselves. But hey, I've been wrong before.
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So with Miles escaping all the Spider People, we interact three, and
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Act three is really interesting. This act is where you know we're gonna close
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our movie. There's no big climax this with this film, really, I
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guess the big climax is after the chase scene. But Act three serves two
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set up Part two to set up Beyond the Spider Verse, and this puts
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Miles in in dimension forty two, where his Spider is originally from. That
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is a twist in this movie I legitimately did not see coming, and I
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loved how it happened. How the computer scans Miles to send him home,
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but it's not scanning him necessarily, it's scanning the Spider DNA, and that's
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where it sends him to the Spider's home. That was such a great bit
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of creative writing. And there is no Spider Man because Spider forty two was
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not here to create a Spider Man. And New York looks terrible. New
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York is having it rough because apparently the Avengers don't exist in this universe or
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any other superheroes. Big twist. Miles is the Prowler and appears to be
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one of our antagonists for Beyond the Spider Verse. Where this movie ultimately leaves
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off is Miles is stuck in dimension forty two. His molecules are revolting since
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he has no safety ban to protect himself. When realizing what has happened,
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is gathering a team of Spider People. They're gonna go save Miles, and
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they're gonna help Miles. On this Spider Person team, we see Penny Parker,
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Peter Porker, and Peter Parker Spider Man Noir make their return, which
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two of those characters were not really in this movie at all. Penny Parker
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makes a small cameo appearance in the Spider Society. I guess Noir and Porker
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turned down Miguel. I have no idea why they're not part of Spider Society.
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I could see Noir turning Spider Society down Porker maybe he's just choosing me.
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Although there wasn't a reference in the beginning of the movie about cartoon hammers,
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so like, I'm not sure, I'm not sure where they're trying to
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go with that exactly. There are a few other Spider people in there.
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Spider Man India is in there. I believe Hoby is also in there.
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Spider Punk I haven't really talked about in this review at all. That was
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super neat to see Hobart Brown on screen. That was so fun. His
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animation is constantly changing, like he's such a rebel that he even protests against
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whatever animated like his molecules actively protest against whatever animated world he's in. I'm
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not really sure how to describe it, but the animation around him constantly changes
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wherever he is, but not in a his atoms are, you know,
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rejecting it sort of way. They're actively just having a good time being punk
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rock. Okay, So that's that's basically the summary of the movie right now.
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There was talk that and I can't remember who says this. I don't
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remember if it's the Lord, I'm not sure who. Somebody suggests that this
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movie is the Empire strikes Back. It's the Empire strikes Back of the trilogy.
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And you know what he meant by that is that this is the part
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of the story where things don't look good for the good guys. The story
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is going to end with the bad guys coming on top or things looking extremely
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dire, you know, the most vague way to put that things look extremely
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dire. Right, I'm not sure that's a fair comparison for this movie,
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because truthfully speaking, Empire Strikes Back has an ending. You know, like
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you might be a little confused as to who some characters are if you've never
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seen a New Hope watching it. But it doesn't really require you to have
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that much knowledge of a New Hope, at least you know, thinking of
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it, thinking about it off the top of head. I don't think it
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does. And while you may really want to see what's going to happen to
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the characters after too, there is a climax to this movie, and it
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has a proper ending, you know, whereas this movie it feels more like
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a TV episode. You know, I'm not trying to like insult the creativity
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and the production of this movie, but it really feels like to be continued,
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you know, like sort of moment the same way that if we're if
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we're comparing films, the same way that Deathly Hollows finishes. Right, there's
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no like proper like climax to that movie, because it is half of a
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story, right, you know, it's literally part one and definitely harb those
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parts two. Part two comes out the following year, right to serve the
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rest of the story properly without I guess, you know, a bloated four
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or five hour movie which you know, for Harry Potter, like, I'm
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sure they could have gone away with that, but you know, money,
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why spoil everyone's good time? So I'm not sure I agree with the comparison.
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Do I have a problem with them doing it like this like a part
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one part two? I don't. I don't think, so don't think I
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do. But again, I need to see beyond the Spider Verse before I
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can make that call. You know, some people have been saying, well,
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it's really not any different than Infinity War and Endgame, but I would
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argue it's very different. You know again, Infinity War very much like if
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you never saw Endgame, you saw the end of a story, right,
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you saw the end of a story. There's a climax that happens, there
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are consequences as a result of that climax, and that's it. And if
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you never saw an endgame, that's a bit of a weird decision to have
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made, but you would have seen a complete story. You would have there
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is another part to that story that ultimately could stand on its own too and
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be a little psychotic without having any information of characters are and how they ended
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up in the situation. But it works as its own film. You know,
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I don't think across the Spider Verse does That's just my personal opinion at
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least for the function of a story, I don't think it does. It
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very much requires a part two, which, like I said, we'll get
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that March twenty ninth next year. I wanted to talk about the antagonists too,
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because I think that there's some weird directions for the antagonists this movie.
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We have really three principal villains, right here's the spot. Of course,
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Miguel O'Hara is sort of a villain at least an antagonist, you know,
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working against Miles. And then we have Miles who's working against Miles. And
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then that's set up at the very end. So in the third film,
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you know, we have four different factions, right, we have our Miles
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and Gwen faction and everybody else who I just mentioned. And I'm curious,
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you know, who ultimately is the villain here, you know, like because
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it feels like it would be the Spot. But I'm really not too sure
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about that. I'm not sure that, like, there's just so much to
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focus on in the next film. I'm not sure what the focus could poscitby
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be because it doesn't feel like the Miles character, the Miles bad guy Prowler
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Miles will call him. It doesn't feel like he's going anywhere very quickly,
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Like he feels like that's going to be a major staple for that movie,
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and somehow his role in that movie is going to be some kind of microcosm
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for defying canon events, for moving past whatever the written story is supposed to
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be. Right, Like, whatever Spider Man Miles accomplishes against Prowler Miles,
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it will be a smaller version of what he will accomplish later in defying the
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canon event, right and saving his dad, which we've already seen as possible,
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since when's dad is going to live? Right, He's not going to
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die? Another police captain in the universe will not die, which very interesting
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to see, like if there will be an explanation about that, because like
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if the answer is, well, just quit being a police captain, does
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it just mean like the next person who's police captain like is going to die?
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It's like the defense against the Dark Arts position, like it's just cursed
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or just simply quitting the position to accept the Spider person. Is that another
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way out? Is that another take on the cannon event? I don't know,
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it'll be really interesting to see if it does. For sure, I
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don't want to bring up one more thing as far as cannon events go,
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So Spider Man, you know, this is me buying into the cannon event
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thing, right, that Spider Man must experience stragedy in order to be Spider
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Man. I think that that is going to be a hard thing to avoid.
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You know that Spider Man can always win, because for as long as
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we've known Spider Man, we know that's not true. And that's one of
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the reasons why Spider Man has been so beloved is because you know, his
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sense of loss and grief is so relatable. You know, so many of
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us try to do the best that we can and we don't always win,
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or we don't always win in the way that we need or want to.
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And that's why that story, by that character, no matter the iteration,
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no matter the echo, it's why it's been so popular over the years.
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You know, it's really a story of struggle, right, struggle and success.
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So if you know the story here is that we can have a character
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that's been defined by those hurdles avoid them. Well, how do we make
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that meaningful? How do we grant consequence to that. If there is no
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consequence, I suppose I have a theory and I gotta be wrong. I
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have a theory. I'm definitely wrong, but I'm gonna put this out here
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anyway. I have a theory that Spider Gwen is dead in the next film,
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or at least her her death the way that we have come to know
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Gwen dying in another Spider Man media will be teased. Right. This will
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be a possible future for Gwen or a possible plot point in this movie.
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It's one of the only plot points like I can really see coming or I
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think I see coming, because they there were two different setups for it,
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and across the Spider Verse there's one with Oscar Isaac, you know, Miguel
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O'Hara protesting why he doesn't want Gwen to be part of Spiders Society, when
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Jessica Drew played by Issa Ray by the way, and she's awesome, just
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so awesome, protests saying, I don't want her on the team. You
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know why I don't want her on the team? Right, very ominous,
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ooh ominous. And then later one appears to have some knowledge about other Gwendolen's
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the Gwendolen's sacs throughout the multiverse, how they always get close to Spider Man
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and it doesn't always work out very well for the Gwenn. She mentions that,
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so she's at least aware that Gwen's got it bad throughout the multiverse,
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right, And to me, that doesn't feel like a throwaway line, especially
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when we've had so many presumed throwaway moments actually come back in big ways.
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I'm looking at Spider forty two, I'd saying nothing's off the table, So
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maybe when doesn't die, but I think the canon point right, something canonical
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at least is threatening to Gwen, and Miguel seems to know that. So
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yeah, I'm curious to see if that's going to play out in any way,
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especially since it almost does feel like Gwen's story is wrapped up. Not
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that she's done as a character, of course, but like the arc that
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she had in Across the Spider Rist, which is set up in the first
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fifteen minutes, it's ultimately answered and finished by the end of the film before
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she goes on a rescue mission. So you know, I'm wondering if they'll
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take that a step further with what they've planted so far. We'll see.
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But yeah, I think I've talked my ass off enough here regarding Spider Man
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across the Spider Verse. Again, I'm not gonna give this movie a score
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just yet. We're going to revisit that next year. But I will say
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that I really enjoyed this film. I think it's in a great place so
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far. I'm really interested to see what Part three is going to be.
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You know, this movie appears to be a really great setup so far.
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There's there's a lot of really interesting cathartic moments that are set up to happen
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next year, so I'm really looking forward to it. So I guess until
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then, we're gonna put a pin in it. You know. Next up
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we're probably gonna cover the Flash Movie, which I know Nick is so excited
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to watch. He can't wait. He can't stop talking about how bad he
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thinks it's gonna be. But apparently it's the greatest superhero film of all time.
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Will see if that is true next time. On made the review be
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with you, hopefully with Nick and Joe. We'll catch you all next time.
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Thanks a lot, Peace,