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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fair Territory Division Series Edition. I'm Ken Rosenthal
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Speaker 1: here with Alana Rizzo on this Friday.
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Speaker 2: It's a Friday, that's right.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the conclusion to the Dodgers Phillies series,
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Speaker 1: which of course was one of the more dramatic things
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Speaker 1: you will ever see. We're gonna talk about the two
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Speaker 1: game fives ahead, and we're gonna talk about all kinds
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Speaker 1: of other things regarding the Division Series and baseball as well.
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Speaker 1: But the big story of the day, the big story
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Speaker 1: really of the Division Series so far, is the conclusion
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Speaker 1: of the Dodgers Phillies Game four last night. You all
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Speaker 1: saw it by now, Orian Kirkering. The play at the plate,
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Speaker 1: it didn't happen two outs, he could have gone the first.
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Speaker 1: JT Realmuta was pointing at him to go to first,
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Speaker 1: and it was just one of the more shocking conclusions.
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Speaker 2: And also.
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Speaker 1: One of the more difficult things to watch that you'll
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Speaker 1: ever see. And kirk Ring is a guy who's come
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Speaker 1: onto the scene. He's been really good. He panicked obviously
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Speaker 1: in that moment. I believe all of us have had
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Speaker 1: moments in our jobs when we've panicked, and I would
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Speaker 1: expect most people would have sympathy, even the harshest of.
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Speaker 2: Fans, for what he is going through right now.
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Speaker 1: You could see after the game, Alana, obviously he bent
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Speaker 1: over on the mound. He was sitting in the dugout
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Speaker 1: just staring at the field. Mat Gelbe the Athletic wrote
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Speaker 1: a terrific story today about how the Phillies gathered around
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Speaker 1: him in support because.
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Speaker 2: The players understand.
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Speaker 1: The players understand that things happen on the field and
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Speaker 1: sometimes you can't account for them. And let's keep in
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Speaker 1: mind too, it's like an umpire's call. No one thing
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Speaker 1: decides a game.
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Speaker 2: If the Phillies had scored earlier, if.
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Speaker 1: They had not been one for seven with runners in
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Speaker 1: scoring position, if they had not squandered opportunities, of course
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Speaker 1: this game could have been.
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Speaker 2: A lot different.
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Speaker 1: So everyone has sympathy for Ryan Kirkering, and I want
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Speaker 1: to show you before we bring a lota in this
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Speaker 1: quote from Howie Rose, the legendary Mets announcer on Twitter,
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Speaker 1: he said, I don't care who you root for, but
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Speaker 1: if you can't find even an ounce of compassion for
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Speaker 1: Oriyan Kirkering, you are undoubtedly devoid of a soul. Alana,
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Speaker 1: I know, obviously from a Dodger standpoint, this was a
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Speaker 1: great outcome, but anybody who loves the sport could sympathize
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Speaker 1: with what happened last night with Ryan Kirkering.
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Speaker 3: Ken, you'd never want the load of what happened last
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Speaker 3: night to fall on one player. And let's be quite
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Speaker 3: honest here, the Philadelphia Phillies are not advancing to the CS,
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Speaker 3: not because of Oriyan Kirkering. If you take a look
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Speaker 3: Ken at the lack of offense and critical times, which
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Speaker 3: I know you're going to dive deeper into, That's why
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Speaker 3: the Phillies are not going to the CS. Has nothing
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Speaker 3: to do with the mental gaff from Orian Kirkering. And
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Speaker 3: we'll talk about that a little bit more and how
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Speaker 3: I feel about that and what I hope Phillies fans
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Speaker 3: do in the future about this situation.
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Speaker 4: But can let's talk.
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Speaker 3: About the lack of offense when it mattered the most
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Speaker 3: for the Phills.
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Speaker 2: No, Alona, That's a great point.
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Speaker 1: And here is the key tweet from Jeff Curve CBS
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Speaker 1: last night, sums it all up. Turner, Schwarber and Harper
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Speaker 1: Turner the batting champion, Schwarber fifty plus home runs, Bryce Harper,
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Speaker 1: one of the postseason legends of our time. Their combined
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Speaker 1: stats right there, Game one one for eleven, Game two
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Speaker 1: one for ten, Game three seven for thirteen. Okay, that
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Speaker 1: was a good one. Game four one for fourteen. Now,
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Speaker 1: in fairness to the Phillies, a lot of this had
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Speaker 1: to do with the brilliant Dodgers pitching, just as the
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Speaker 1: Dodgers struggles in this series had to do with the
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Speaker 1: brilliant Phillies pitching. The Dodgers hit one ninety nine in
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Speaker 1: this series, the Phillies hit two thirteen. So you can
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Speaker 1: only be so harsh because the pitching was so good.
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Speaker 1: But the problem for the Phillies, as you step back
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Speaker 1: now and take a broader look at this, this is
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Speaker 1: the third straight year they've suffered a traumatic defeat. Actually
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Speaker 1: the fourth great year they've suffered a traumatic defeat. World
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Speaker 1: Series in twenty two, NLCS in twenty three, DS to
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Speaker 1: the Mets.
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Speaker 2: In twenty four, and now this series to the Dodgers.
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Speaker 1: J t ru Muto said that this wasn't as painful
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Speaker 1: as last year because they felt they lost to a
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Speaker 1: really good team. But now with real, Muto and Schwarber
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Speaker 1: free agents, with Rob Thompson in a bit of an
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Speaker 1: uncertain place as the manager. You just wonder what is
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Speaker 1: going to be with this franchise. That's how traumatic this
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Speaker 1: whole thing is going to be for them, Milana and Ken.
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Speaker 3: You saw it last night when Kyle Schwarber was addressing
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Speaker 3: the media. He was clearly emotional. As you mentioned, he
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Speaker 3: and Jtrail Muto are entering a free agency period for them.
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Speaker 3: He'd love, I would imagine, to finish his career talking
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Speaker 3: about Schwarber as a Philly But you don't know what
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Speaker 3: it's what's going to happen. I realize it's very premature
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Speaker 3: to sit here and talk about it on October tenth,
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Speaker 3: but there is a good possibility that we're not going
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Speaker 3: to see Schwarber in a Phillies uniform next year. And
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Speaker 3: I think these guys in that clubhouse in that dugout
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Speaker 3: realizing that their lockermates may not be the same guys
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Speaker 3: next year as their word today.
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Speaker 4: And there's relation ships there.
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Speaker 1: No question, and they want to resign Schwarburn real Muto,
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Speaker 1: Ranger Suarez another potential free agent. The expectation there is
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Speaker 1: they probably will lose him and they have more of
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Speaker 1: an ability to replace a Suarez with Andrew Painter coming
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Speaker 1: up and all of that. But sure there are questions
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Speaker 1: now that we're lingering the whole season and then have
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Speaker 1: lingered over this team. And there's been a lot of
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Speaker 1: talking in recent days about the Yankees failures in the postseason. Well,
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Speaker 1: the Phillies have kind of had a similar run here
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Speaker 1: at least the last four years.
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Speaker 2: And what it underscores again.
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Speaker 1: Is how difficult it is to win the World Series
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Speaker 1: in an era where you have an expanded postseason, in
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Speaker 1: an era where money doesn't always buy you everything. Teams
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Speaker 1: are more competitive now, It's really hard. So we will
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Speaker 1: see where this all turns with the Phillies. But obviously
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Speaker 1: that was a very difficult loss for.
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Speaker 2: Them in so many ways.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of let's turn, I guess to game fives,
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Speaker 1: and let's start with the Cubs and the Brewers. Cubs
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Speaker 1: rallying from two games to none down, they now have
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Speaker 1: to go back to Milwaukee to win.
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Speaker 3: With Cook, I tell you what, both home teams have
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Speaker 3: won their games Ken, So what does that mean is
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Speaker 3: that Milwaukee's turn in Game five?
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Speaker 1: You would think, but the pitching of both teams, Alanta
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Speaker 1: is kind of in shambles, So I don't know where
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Speaker 1: this is going. And for the Cubs, Imanaga is going
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Speaker 1: to have to play some kind of role. There's a
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Speaker 1: starter or following an opener, as he did in the
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Speaker 1: Padre series. He is the guy lined up to pitch,
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Speaker 1: usually prefers an extra day's rest. Won't get one here,
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Speaker 1: and they have others in the bullpen, maybe in Aaron Savali,
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Speaker 1: maybe a Colin Ray who will have to step up
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Speaker 1: because they're in a funky place with their pen right now, even.
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Speaker 2: With the days off here.
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Speaker 1: And then the Brewers are kind of in a similarly
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Speaker 1: difficult situation. The Miz is going to play a prominent
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Speaker 1: role as a bulk guy most likely in this game,
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Speaker 1: but they're gonna need contributions from others as well. And
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Speaker 1: for me, this is a coin flip. Whenever you get
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Speaker 1: to a game five, it's a total coin flip. Home
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Speaker 1: Field certainly helps the Brewers, and they play really well
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Speaker 1: at Miller Park, but a lot of who knows what's
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Speaker 1: going to happen here?
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Speaker 3: You know, Ken It's crazy too, because if you think
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Speaker 3: about the other side of things. In the American League
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Speaker 3: Division Series, it's a game five for the Detroit Tigers
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Speaker 3: as well as the Seattle Mariners. AJ Hinch and the
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Speaker 3: Tigers oping that home cooking is not the thing going
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Speaker 3: on because they're going back, of course, to Seattle for
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Speaker 3: Game five. What's interesting to me, Ken is that you know,
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Speaker 3: Tarek Schouble is going to take the mound as he should.
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Speaker 3: But the Tigers have lost every Trek Schoolble start this
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Speaker 3: season against the Mariners. How much is that in their head?
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's in their head. That is
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Speaker 2: one of those baseball things. Allot it to me that
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Speaker 2: is likely to reverse. It's one of these fluky things
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Speaker 2: that just occur.
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Speaker 1: Now, Trek Scooble isn't an interesting spot here, and I
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Speaker 1: wrote about this. Actually, I have an essay coming out
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Speaker 1: on the pregame show tonight about Trek Schooble and this
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Speaker 1: whole circumstance. So he is likely to be the back
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Speaker 1: to back American League Cy Young winner. We can pretty
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Speaker 1: confidently predict that in American League history, only Randy Johnson,
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Speaker 1: Pedro Martinez, and Roger Clements have won back to back
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Speaker 1: Cy Young's. There are a few more who have done
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Speaker 1: it in the National League. So he's going to be
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Speaker 1: the fourth, and that.
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Speaker 2: Is quite an accomplishment.
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Speaker 1: But last year Game five against Cleveland, what happened. He
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Speaker 1: goes through four scoreless, then gives up the basis loaded
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Speaker 1: walk to Jose Ramirez and then the grand slam to
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Speaker 1: Lane Thomas. That was Game five last year. Here we
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Speaker 1: go with Game five this year, again on the road,
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Speaker 1: and all eyes are on him. He's going to be
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Speaker 1: the back to back cy young guy. And it wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be fair to say Trek Scougele is some kind of
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Speaker 1: not clutch performer if he doesn't pitch well tonight, but
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Speaker 1: this is a big situation.
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Speaker 2: He has a two point one to three ERA in
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Speaker 2: the postseason for his career. This is not a guy
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Speaker 2: who's performed poorly.
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Speaker 1: And in Game two he gave up to two homers
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Speaker 1: by Polanco solo shots, but otherwise was really good. So
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Speaker 1: it's a defining moment for him. It's a big moment
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Speaker 1: for the Tigers. And we're going to see too if
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Speaker 1: Seattle can finally get back to the ALCS with George
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Speaker 1: Kirby on the mound. They've had the magical run from Raleigh,
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Speaker 1: who has been great even in the postseason. I don't
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Speaker 1: know where this is going to go tonight. I don't
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Speaker 1: know that anyone does, but it's going to be really
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Speaker 1: interesting for sure.
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Speaker 3: Well, whomever wins will face the Toronto Blue Jays and
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Speaker 3: can I believe that you are in Toronto now? But
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Speaker 3: win or lose, Tiger Territory is going to have it
9:32
Speaker 3: all covered with the Athletics, Tiger Beat reporter Cody staven Hagen,
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Speaker 3: Kieran Steckley, former Tiger Austin Jackson. So make sure that
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Speaker 3: you tune into either a Game five win for those
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Speaker 3: guys or a post mortem of the Detroit Tigers.
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Speaker 4: It is time for Grill and Ken.
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Speaker 3: We appreciate the opportunity for those of us that are
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Speaker 3: watching and listening to us here, whether it's on YouTube
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Speaker 3: or wherever you get your podcast, to ask Ken Rosenthal
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Speaker 3: a question.
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Speaker 4: So we're going to start with Neil.
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Speaker 3: He has a question in regards to Clayton Kershaw, who
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Speaker 3: obviously did not have a good outing out of the
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Speaker 3: pen in Game three for the Los Angeles Dodgers. So
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Speaker 3: we'll go to this question here, and it is Ken,
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Speaker 3: has Kershaw pitched his last game? Do you think kersh
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Speaker 3: future Hall of Famer is on the Dodgers roster for
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Speaker 3: the CS.
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Speaker 2: Wow, great question. I don't know the answer to that.
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Speaker 1: Probably it would depend someone on the health of Tanner Scott,
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Speaker 1: but actually Tamer Scott is out for the next serious
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Speaker 1: I should have mentioned.
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Speaker 2: That I do expect to be on the roster. I
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Speaker 2: don't know what is the better option here.
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Speaker 1: They still can have a spot for Kersh. No, he
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Speaker 1: didn't pitch well in that particular circumstance the other night,
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Speaker 1: but part of it was in going back out had
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Speaker 1: to do with Tanner Scott not being available. So it's
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Speaker 1: a fair question, Alta, But what do you think on
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Speaker 1: this one?
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Speaker 3: Well, I can't imagine a world ken And before let
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Speaker 3: me let me preface this conversation with everybody knows that
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Speaker 3: I am a Dodger fan, and everybody knows that I
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Speaker 3: am a Clayton apologist. But for a good reason, I will.
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Speaker 3: I will defend Clayton Kershaw to my dying breath. I
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Speaker 3: can't imagine a world in which Clayton Kershaw is not
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Speaker 3: on the postseason roster. That being said, I also think
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Speaker 3: people look at it as he came out of the
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Speaker 3: bullpen and he didn't perform. Well, I look at it
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Speaker 3: differently at the time that Kirsh came out of the bullpen,
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Speaker 3: we did not realize that Tanner Scott had that lower
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Speaker 3: body incision abscess situation. Right, So, okay, maybe Kershaw was
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Speaker 3: kind of taken one for the team. Did he have
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Speaker 3: his best stuff? Absolutely not, But they were down Tanner Scott,
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Speaker 3: so I give that a little bit more weight in
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Speaker 3: terms of perhaps that is the reason that he went
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Speaker 3: back out there for a second inning. I think Kirsh
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Speaker 3: is on the CS roster. Okay, another question here in
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Speaker 3: terms of the New York Yankees, can see Carrera has
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Speaker 3: this to say, what has the NYY management done wrong?
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Speaker 2: Wow? We could talk about this now.
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Speaker 1: I wrote my column yesterday about this whole situation, and
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Speaker 1: what I wrote was that based on the outcome of
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Speaker 1: this season and the series against Toronto, it does not
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Speaker 1: seem to me that alone is enough to have a
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Speaker 1: management change in New York, either with Brian Cashman.
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Speaker 2: The general manager or Aaron Boone the manager.
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Speaker 1: I know a lot of Yankee fans hated that column
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Speaker 1: and hated that premise, And certainly you can make the
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Speaker 1: case that Boone now eight years in, cash twenty seven
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Speaker 1: years in, they have not won a World series.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you want.
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Speaker 1: To make that case, that's fine. But this season, I
12:38
Speaker 1: don't know that they did all that much wrong. I'll
12:41
Speaker 1: start with Cashman. So Cashman pivots from Juan Soto after
12:44
Speaker 1: they lose him to the New York Mets. They get free,
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Speaker 1: they get Goldman, they get Bellinger, they get Devin Williams.
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Speaker 1: Devin Williams didn't work out great, but he wasn't horrible either,
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Speaker 1: and the other three were pretty good. Then the deadline,
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Speaker 1: he fortifies the bullpen, picks up some bench players. I
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Speaker 1: don't know that they did a lot wrong. They were
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Speaker 1: better defensively down the stretch, not great, but better.
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Speaker 2: More athletic.
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Speaker 1: They just got beat. And in this day and age,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people have a hard time accepting it
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Speaker 1: when their team just gets beat. They got beat by
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Speaker 1: a better team, and at some point it's on the
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Speaker 1: players too. Freedom Rodin pitched poorly, the offense really besides
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Speaker 1: Judge was not good. So I'll excuse Cashman on that.
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Speaker 1: And I don't even know how you can look at
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Speaker 1: Boone and say this was his fault because they just
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Speaker 1: got again out played.
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Speaker 2: They won ninety four games.
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Speaker 1: They should have yes won the division, but they lost
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Speaker 1: the tiebreaker to the Blue Jays. They had that mid
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Speaker 1: season low that was brutal, but they came out of it.
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Speaker 1: They beat the Red Sox at some point. You've got
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Speaker 1: to look at this a little bit reasonably. Now, if
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Speaker 1: hal Steinbretter, the owner, said, you know what, I do
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Speaker 1: want to make a change.
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Speaker 2: I want to do something different. I get that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, then you got to find someone better than these two.
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Speaker 1: Now you might find a better manager easier than a
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Speaker 1: better general manager that Brian Cashman. Believe it or not,
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Speaker 1: but these jobs are not easy. So obviously I stand
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Speaker 1: by what I wrote, and I know a lot of
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Speaker 1: Yankee fans feel differently, and I totally respect that and
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Speaker 1: get it. But this idea that if season does not
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Speaker 1: end the World Series title, it's a failure, it's ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: It's simply ridiculous. As I said before, Alana, it's really
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Speaker 1: hard to win a World Series, period.
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Speaker 3: And it just goes to show you, and I've said
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Speaker 3: this a thousand times. Money buys good players, Ken Rosenthal,
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Speaker 3: It does not buy wins, and it does not buy championships.
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Speaker 3: Now the New York Yankees are in can kun with
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Speaker 3: the New York Mets and the Boston Red Sox and
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Speaker 3: a number of other teams too. So it just goes
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Speaker 3: to show you money helps. It's not the end all
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Speaker 3: be all. Switching to the Phillies, who are now also
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Speaker 3: on their way to can Kuhn Video Game Nation wants
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Speaker 3: to know. Do you think Dave Dombrowski is a threat
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Speaker 3: to be dismissed of President of Baseball Operations of the Phillies.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: And Bob Nightingale the USA Today wrote a long story
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Speaker 1: about Dobrowski and in their relationship the owner John Middleton,
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Speaker 1: and basically John Middleton wants Dombrowski to be the Pobo forever.
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Speaker 1: The real question is Rob Thompson, and it's not simple
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Speaker 1: a question of whether the Phillies want him back. It
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Speaker 1: might also be a question of whether he wants to
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Speaker 1: be back. A manager goes through these things and it's difficult.
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Speaker 1: So I would expect when things settle down, he would
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Speaker 1: want to be back. But if you're the Phillies, maybe
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Speaker 1: you look at this and the successive playoff failures and
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Speaker 1: they've come earlier each year, and you say, okay, we
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Speaker 1: want to do something different. Dave Dombrowski could make that
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Speaker 1: decision that would not surprise me. But I honestly think
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Speaker 1: Rob Thompson is a good manager for this team. And
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Speaker 1: the compassion he showed last night with Kirkerhan coming off
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Speaker 1: the field and in his news conference, those were the
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Speaker 1: hallmarks of a leader. So to me, Rob Thompson should
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Speaker 1: be back if he wants to be back, And the
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Speaker 1: question is going to be do the Phillies want him back?
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Speaker 2: That's number one.
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Speaker 4: Kyle Schwarber can And what do you think his market is?
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Speaker 3: He's a DH Obviously, fifty home runs this season, fifty
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Speaker 3: plus home runs this season. He is going to be
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Speaker 3: thirty three in March, which, as we know in baseball terminology,
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Speaker 3: might as well be one foot in the grave. But
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Speaker 3: what do you think is his market? What's his ceiling?
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Speaker 3: What's his market? Where do you see him?
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Speaker 1: I see him at four years getting a fourth year,
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Speaker 1: and I see him at thirty million plus, so four
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Speaker 1: years one to twenty minimum, and that's probably around where
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Speaker 1: he'll be, either with the Phillies or someone else. Now,
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Speaker 1: there are teams that could really use Kyle Schwarber, just
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Speaker 1: as there are things that could really use Pete Alonzo.
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Speaker 1: And they're not only the teams that they play for,
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Speaker 1: so it could get interesting with both. In Alonzo's case,
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Speaker 1: he won't of a qualifying offer this year. I don't
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Speaker 1: believe Schwarber is eligible for one either. I can't remember
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Speaker 1: that exactly. But both those guys, because power is such
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Speaker 1: a premium right now and it's so difficult to find
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Speaker 1: hitters like this, they should do well.
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Speaker 3: Ken, where do you think a better fit would be
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Speaker 3: in terms of the Boston Red Sox as at a
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Speaker 3: DH first base, whatever, Pete Alonzo, Kyle Schwarber.
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Speaker 1: That's a right left question, and they would have to
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Speaker 1: decide which do they prefer, the right handed hitter or
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Speaker 1: the left handed hitter. Most of their outfielders are left
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Speaker 1: handed hitters. I don't know that that figures into it.
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Speaker 1: It kind of depends on Reregman too. If they lose Gregman,
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Speaker 1: then you need a right handed hitter and you have story.
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Speaker 1: But really at that point you would need the right
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Speaker 1: handed thumper. So Alonso is in many ways a very
17:31
Speaker 1: good fit for the Red Sox, and that's going to
17:34
Speaker 1: be a really interesting one because how badly do the
17:36
Speaker 1: Mets want them, how badly do they want to mix
17:38
Speaker 1: it up?
17:39
Speaker 2: After what happened to them this season.
17:41
Speaker 1: This offseason is going to be wild, as it always is,
17:43
Speaker 1: and some of these questions Alana are going to be
17:45
Speaker 1: really interesting to see play out.
17:49
Speaker 3: When you think about the Red Sox, I know the
17:51
Speaker 3: Red Sox were eliminated in the wildcard round to the
17:53
Speaker 3: New York Yankees, But when you think about the Red
17:55
Speaker 3: Sox ten and they're pending free agents, who do you
17:58
Speaker 3: think is more likely to opt out? Or in Bregman
18:02
Speaker 3: story Giolito, When you look at those guys, who do
18:05
Speaker 3: you think ops in?
18:05
Speaker 4: Who you think ops out?
18:07
Speaker 1: Regman is out. I don't even know there's any questions.
18:11
Speaker 1: Is forty million a year but he's owed what two
18:14
Speaker 1: years and eighty something like that. He'll beat that as
18:17
Speaker 1: a free agent. He'll beat the total. He might not
18:19
Speaker 1: beat the AAV but if he gets I don't know,
18:21
Speaker 1: six times.
18:22
Speaker 2: Thirty, he's pretty happy if that's the number.
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Speaker 1: So he's opting out and the Red Sox will be
18:27
Speaker 1: in there trying to keep him, because you've seen with
18:30
Speaker 1: Alex Bregman, not only is it the performance on the field,
18:33
Speaker 1: he makes everyone around him better. He's almost like another
18:37
Speaker 1: coach in the dug out so Bregman is mensely vable
18:41
Speaker 1: to the Red Sox and what they do. Gilido, I
18:44
Speaker 1: would expect ops in, although starting pitching, maybe he chooses
18:47
Speaker 1: else to do something else, and Story I would say
18:50
Speaker 1: ops in too, But I don't know. In stories case,
18:54
Speaker 1: you may look at the shortstop market and say, you
18:56
Speaker 1: know what, it's pretty thin Boba Schet. Most teams don't
18:59
Speaker 1: look at him as a shorts up. Maybe Trevor Story says,
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Speaker 1: I will opt out and see what I can get
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Speaker 1: out there.
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, he's not coming off an
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Speaker 2: amazing year.
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Speaker 1: He's coming off of in pre year, so it's going
19:11
Speaker 1: to be an interesting decision for him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Boston is good for Story and I
19:15
Speaker 3: think he likes it there. But I agree with you
19:17
Speaker 3: on all of those counts in terms of who opts
19:19
Speaker 3: in and out. It's always going to be fun in
19:21
Speaker 3: the off season going in to next year. All right,
19:23
Speaker 3: coming up, we're talking about our dude and dork of
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Speaker 3: All right, Ken, who is your dude of the week
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Speaker 3: for this week?
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Speaker 2: Actually, Alana, I'm going to let you go first.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I get to go first. Okay, So my dude
20:05
Speaker 3: of the week is Oriyan Kirkering. And I realized that
20:09
Speaker 3: the play at the plate and throwing to the wrong
20:10
Speaker 3: base was obviously a mental lapse. But for this young man,
20:14
Speaker 3: who is only twenty four years old to go out
20:17
Speaker 3: there and face the media and answer questions, you know,
20:20
Speaker 3: if I can get on Justishom Junior for not talking
20:22
Speaker 3: to the media and turning his back. I want to
20:24
Speaker 3: give props to this kid who very easily could have
20:27
Speaker 3: been so embarrassed and so heartbroken that he didn't address that.
20:30
Speaker 3: You can see him there holding back tears. It was
20:33
Speaker 3: a very emotional moment. But I appreciate the fact that
20:38
Speaker 3: he was candid and honest and raw and answered the questions.
20:43
Speaker 3: And I hope to God and Pedro Martinez said this
20:46
Speaker 3: the best on TBS last night that do not allow
20:50
Speaker 3: this talent to carry this load for the rest of
20:54
Speaker 3: his career.
20:55
Speaker 4: And I agree.
20:55
Speaker 3: Everyone's been there in this game, Ken, everyone's made a mistake.
20:59
Speaker 3: We've done it our careers where we've all made mistakes
21:02
Speaker 3: we wish we could take back. So Ryan Kirkering, this
21:06
Speaker 3: does not define you. This is not who you are.
21:08
Speaker 3: You are my dude of the week.
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Speaker 1: Great call, and I was waiting for you around him
21:12
Speaker 1: because I wasn't sure where you were going to go exactly.
21:14
Speaker 2: But I've got two. Roki Sasaki obviously has to be
21:18
Speaker 2: the week. We didn't give him enough love in the
21:20
Speaker 2: first segment.
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Speaker 1: That three inning performance last night was just brilliant, and
21:24
Speaker 1: he's been brilliant the whole postseason and for coming back
21:28
Speaker 1: from what he came back from, the injury and the
21:30
Speaker 1: mental questions about him, all of the things, the transition
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Speaker 1: from Japan to the US as a twenty three year old.
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Speaker 2: That is impressive.
21:38
Speaker 1: My other dude of the week, we haven't talked enough
21:39
Speaker 1: about this guy either. Flat Junior I good. Yeah, he
21:45
Speaker 1: had against the Yankees and it was kind of out
21:49
Speaker 1: of nowhere because he didn't have a great September and
21:51
Speaker 1: there were concerns the chets not behind him and all that,
21:54
Speaker 1: but he was brilliant.
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Speaker 2: And the other night on Fox after the game the
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Speaker 2: Yankees lose, that was it was just hilarious.
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Speaker 1: Well that was so glad, glad, you and your Roki
22:06
Speaker 1: sak both dudes of the week. Now, I want to
22:09
Speaker 1: get into something right here, because Dave Roberts didn't he
22:11
Speaker 1: say last night a lot of that Rokie Susaki's bullpen
22:14
Speaker 1: performance was the greatest performance by a reliever ever, or
22:17
Speaker 1: something like that.
22:17
Speaker 3: I did not hear that part, And I know you're
22:20
Speaker 3: you have somebody else in mind who is a Ken.
22:23
Speaker 1: All right, all right, you're talking about one of the
22:25
Speaker 1: great all time appearances out of the pen that I
22:28
Speaker 1: can remember.
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Speaker 2: Dave, Let's go back to twenty fourteen. Now, I know
22:32
Speaker 2: it's a long time ago.
22:33
Speaker 1: At this point, Madison Wilmgarner closing out the World Series
22:36
Speaker 1: with five less. I think that's a little bit better
22:39
Speaker 1: than Listen Rosenthal.
22:43
Speaker 3: No Dodger fan or manager wants to remember twenty fourteen
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Speaker 3: in the San Francisco Giants. We just blocked that out completely.
22:49
Speaker 3: I did have a text conversation with Dave Roberts this
22:51
Speaker 3: morning about Roki Sasaki, and I talked to him about
22:54
Speaker 3: what a transition, right, Remember back early on when Roki
22:58
Speaker 3: Sasaki was in the dugout crying because of a bad performance.
23:01
Speaker 3: It was almost as if he didn't understand, you know,
23:03
Speaker 3: he'd not understand that's not fair. Didn't It's a difficult
23:07
Speaker 3: it's a difficult transition right from Japan to Major League Baseball.
23:10
Speaker 3: And Dave was like, if you take that picture, like
23:12
Speaker 3: we are right now side by side of Roki Sasaki
23:14
Speaker 3: crying and then striking out J t rail Muto, what
23:18
Speaker 3: is stark contrast? So, yes, Roki is the Dodgers closer.
23:22
Speaker 3: I did not know that that team needed. Okay, who
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Speaker 3: is your doork of the week?
23:27
Speaker 1: Well, my doork of the week goes back to the
23:28
Speaker 1: New York Yankees and the performance of their players, and
23:31
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it to all of their hitters
23:33
Speaker 1: besides Aaron Judge. Now I'm being a little unfare Toeram
23:36
Speaker 1: McMahon and John Carlos Stanton, who were not horrible, but
23:39
Speaker 1: the offense outside of Judge, granted, they faced great pitching,
23:43
Speaker 1: particularly in the first two games. The starters Gossman and
23:45
Speaker 1: Ya Savage and then the bullpen.
23:47
Speaker 2: Game in Game four.
23:49
Speaker 1: But come on, the Yankees are built on offense. They
23:52
Speaker 1: had the highest scoring offense in the major leagues. Yes,
23:54
Speaker 1: the most home runs as well, but they could score
23:57
Speaker 1: in other ways and they simply did not produce. So
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Speaker 1: the Yankee the hitters other than Judge dorks of the week.
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Speaker 3: All right, my dork of the week, I'm on a
24:04
Speaker 3: preemptive strike here. Ken I'm not saying these people are
24:06
Speaker 3: dorks yet, but let's make sure they don't become dorks.
24:09
Speaker 3: Anybody that wants to give a Ryan Kirker in grief
24:12
Speaker 3: or crap about what happened, do not do not do that.
24:16
Speaker 3: I understand you can be upset about what had happened
24:19
Speaker 3: in that situation, but let's not put the way to
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Speaker 3: the world on this young man who already feels horrific
24:25
Speaker 3: about what happened. Again, as Pedro Martinez said, do not
24:28
Speaker 3: let his talent, this talent carry the load for the
24:31
Speaker 3: rest of his career. He's a very good picture, a
24:34
Speaker 3: very good talent, and he has good he has a
24:37
Speaker 3: great career ahead. So let's be kind.
24:39
Speaker 2: Alan.
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Speaker 1: I've got a prediction Opening day next year, Philadelphia standing
24:43
Speaker 1: ovation for Ryan I hope so it helped me.
24:47
Speaker 3: You know, let's do it absolutely Mookie Betts when he
24:50
Speaker 3: was you know, hitting a buck and they gave him
24:52
Speaker 3: a standing way that helped you. By the way, extra
24:55
Speaker 3: credit as far as due to the week, we should
24:57
Speaker 3: have said this earlier to Nick Castellanos who absolutely bolted
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Speaker 3: in and from right field to comfort Ryan Kirkering on
25:06
Speaker 3: the mound.
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Speaker 4: Imagine where imagine where.
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Speaker 3: Nick Castillanos was, obviously, and you saw him walking with
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Speaker 3: Kirkering into the dugout before Rob Thompson stopped him to
25:16
Speaker 3: talk to Kirkering. Good on you, Nick Castillanos for holding
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Speaker 3: up one of your one of your teammates. I mean,
25:22
Speaker 3: it's this is this is why we love this game.
25:24
Speaker 3: But remember, guys, they're people before their players.
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Speaker 1: No no doubt, and Nick did great things there and
25:31
Speaker 1: really the entire clubhouse rallied around him last night because
25:34
Speaker 1: as you said, Alan, and we'll maybe close it out
25:37
Speaker 1: with this, the players understand, man, they understand better than anyone,
25:41
Speaker 1: and they know how difficult the game is to play.
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Speaker 4: No doubt about it.
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Speaker 3: All right, if you're watching on TV, thank you so
25:46
Speaker 3: much for joining us. We appreciate you time. We have
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