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Episode 4: Unicorns, Dragons, and Phoenixes · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode four of Rebellio for October seventeenth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. I'm Amy, I'm Nicole, and I'm Tom
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  Speaker 1: and here we are another day. More technical difficulties, but
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  Speaker 1: we're here.
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  Speaker 2: We made it.
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  Speaker 3: Now. We just got to get through, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: next however long, this episode is going to be without
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  Speaker 3: technical difficulties.
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  Speaker 2: Fingers crossed.
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  Speaker 3: Will be good. How have you guys been?
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  Speaker 1: You know, fantastic. We had the beautiful Northern lights happened
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  Speaker 1: last night, so that was pretty cool. And I plan
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  Speaker 1: after this episode, I'm going to go outside and see
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  Speaker 1: if I see them again.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that, because maybe I will try
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  Speaker 3: tonight now that I'm not on an airplane and I
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  Speaker 3: might be able to see So I did see an
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  Speaker 3: article yesterday that said that you might be able to
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  Speaker 3: see them today as well. And I saw a really
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  Speaker 3: funny meme on Facebook earlier that was like everybody's Facebook
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  Speaker 3: posts right now, and it was like this meme of
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  Speaker 3: like a guy holding a picture of the Northern lights.
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  Speaker 3: I was feeling quite I was feeling quite left out
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  Speaker 3: of that magical experience of seeing them.
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  Speaker 1: See I thought it was going to be like the
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  Speaker 1: solar eclipse where it would be so cloudy we would
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  Speaker 1: see nothing, but it actually happened, So that was cool.
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  Speaker 3: Now your pictures were very, very cool. It was very jealous.
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  Speaker 2: You guys get cool things over there. We don't get that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is a rarety well, especially like how
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  Speaker 3: bright they are, Like it's definitely a rarity for us.
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  Speaker 3: It's usually further north. I thought my one time ever
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  Speaker 3: being able to possibly see them was when I went
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  Speaker 3: to Iceland, but I went the wrong time of year,
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  Speaker 3: Like I went to Iceland in the summer where it's
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  Speaker 3: basically daylight twenty four hours, so you're not seeing the
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  Speaker 3: northern lights then. And I think it's happened, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So for those of you listening, Amy and I are
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  Speaker 3: in like New York, upstate New York, so to put
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  Speaker 3: it in perspective of how north we are, I think
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  Speaker 3: it's happened before where we've kind of maybe seen them
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, But it looks like this was much
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  Speaker 3: stronger than usual. And I saw a lot of posts
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  Speaker 3: online of people even like for like pretty far south
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  Speaker 3: in America, who were seeing them. So I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what happened in the cosmic universe, to make it so strong,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we need maybe an astrology class or something
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  Speaker 3: to h an what's going on I analyze it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, we'll get forends up here and yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds fun. Okay, So in this episode we'll be discussing
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  Speaker 2: one lore. But first.
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  Speaker 3: You're listening to w WN the Wizarding Wireless Network. Now
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  Speaker 3: for the latest headlines.
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  Speaker 2: So starting off with some theater news. The touring version
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  Speaker 2: of Cursechild is even shorter than the shorter one part version.
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  Speaker 2: The one part production currently playing on Broadway is roughly
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  Speaker 2: three and a half hours long. The touring version, which
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  Speaker 2: just stopped in Chicago, is reportedly around two hours and
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  Speaker 2: fifty minutes long. In an interview with a Chicago Tribune,
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  Speaker 2: John Tiffany said that the goal was to keep it
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  Speaker 2: under three hours, probably to do with making it a
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  Speaker 2: bit more manageable to tour, which I think it makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, when I sat through the whole of it
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  Speaker 2: in Broadway recently, and I was there and it didn't
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  Speaker 2: really feel like almost four hours, Like I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it was because of the things going on in
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  Speaker 2: the fact that you know, it was like split into
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  Speaker 2: two parts, so you got a chance to take a
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  Speaker 2: little break and grab a snack and kind of like
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  Speaker 2: that maybe made it a little more manageable. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious to see what they might have to cut off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, like I wonder if it's harder to
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  Speaker 1: get people to pay the amount of money for tickets
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  Speaker 1: in a touring version that would be required to cover
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  Speaker 1: this if it was like the full three and a
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  Speaker 1: half hours, just because if you're thinking the theaters probably
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  Speaker 1: like touring theaters probably make less money because they're also
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  Speaker 1: paying and then people paying for tickets, so it's like
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  Speaker 1: that trickle down of maybe the touring versions don't bring
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  Speaker 1: in it as much as the Broadway show would, So
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's why they're trying to shorten down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. It'll be interesting because like for me,
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  Speaker 3: the very first time I saw Kursechild was when it
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  Speaker 3: was still in like previews in London, and that was
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  Speaker 3: when it was like two parts, so I went, like
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  Speaker 3: I it was like you could either go like one
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  Speaker 3: night and come back the next night, or you could
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  Speaker 3: go like in the morning and then there was like
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  Speaker 3: a few hour break and then you could come back
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  Speaker 3: that night. So that's what I did, and there was
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  Speaker 3: like a big enough break in between. I went to
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  Speaker 3: like the House of Mina Lima got food and it
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  Speaker 3: didn't you know, it was nice because it was a
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  Speaker 3: really long show, but that was a lot longer than
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  Speaker 3: just a regular intermission. But it was really cool to
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  Speaker 3: have that experience of like going back and like seeing
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  Speaker 3: like pretty much like two shows in one day. And
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  Speaker 3: I always wondered what that experience was like to see
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  Speaker 3: like part of it and then go back the next
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  Speaker 3: day for like the other part. But I also don't
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  Speaker 3: think I would have been able to do that, like
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  Speaker 3: I'd been like I need to know, like whatck wait,
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  Speaker 3: I can't be left on the cliffhanger. So then seeing
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  Speaker 3: it in New York on Broadway was kind of then
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  Speaker 3: really interesting to see it just a normal, like here's
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  Speaker 3: all of it at once, with a regular kind of intermission,
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  Speaker 3: And that was really interesting and felt familiar because it
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  Speaker 3: felt you know, similar, like similar to most shows. But
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  Speaker 3: I think that it is hard because it's a really
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  Speaker 3: long show and if you're going to do it in
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  Speaker 3: one go like that, you do have to kind of
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  Speaker 3: trim it my like, like I wonder too with the Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like there's probably maybe some logistical things like
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  Speaker 3: you were saying, Amy that go into like a touring
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  Speaker 3: versus when they have the whole theater to themselves, and
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  Speaker 3: it'll be interesting because I'm always thinking like, Okay, so
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  Speaker 3: now what's going to get cut? Like because obviously the
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  Speaker 3: more they shorten it, like things are going to get cut.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, I actually can't really remember from when
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  Speaker 3: I saw it the very first time when it was
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  Speaker 3: like the full thing, comparing it to when I saw
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  Speaker 3: it on Broadway, I don't I couldn't really remember necessarily
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  Speaker 3: what was cut because there was too many years in between.
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  Speaker 3: But that's my first thought when I hear this piece
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  Speaker 3: of news is like, Okay, so what's going to get cut?
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  Speaker 3: Because it's not going to be I mean, we we
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  Speaker 3: just talked about Kurschild a lot in our last episode, right,
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  Speaker 3: and like we all talked about how there's some really
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  Speaker 3: great parts of it and the parts that aren't as great,
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  Speaker 3: Like that's not the stuff that's gonna get cut because
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  Speaker 3: that's like the whole like reveal at the end and
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  Speaker 3: the plot. It's not like they're going to be like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: let's just cut out you know. Delphy from this, that's
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  Speaker 3: how we're going to cut this down. That's not what's
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  Speaker 3: going to ever cut so.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right right, so I worry, you know what we'll.
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  Speaker 2: They need to get cut canon.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, okay, So Hobart's Mystery is getting more new
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  Speaker 5: adventures and a seasonal update.
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  Speaker 2: Players will be able to do a new vampire side
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  Speaker 2: quest and hunt for pumpkins throughout the game. On October
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  Speaker 2: twenty third, more adventures will be available from the Hogwart's Diary.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's interesting to see how this
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  Speaker 2: game has somehow survived the canceled mobile game streak that
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  Speaker 2: was happening like for the later games that came out,
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  Speaker 2: and somehow have like survived the rocky moments in the
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  Speaker 2: fandom in general. So yeah, kind of, I'll kind of
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  Speaker 2: give it to them, like I've never had enough patience
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  Speaker 2: to like deal with the energy bars filling and I'm
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: not going to invert a Whizzo crypto. So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's it's nice to see it coming out on the
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  Speaker 2: other side and just being still successful to this day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually never played it, but a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people must otherwise they wouldn't be updating it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Have it downloaded, but and I thought, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't imagine playing it on like a phone, but I
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  Speaker 3: did download it like on my iPad and was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: this is like a really good you know, I feel
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  Speaker 3: like device to play this on. And I think I've
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  Speaker 3: tried it for maybe like five minutes or something, but
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  Speaker 3: I've never really gotten into it. But then seeing all
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  Speaker 3: these updates, like, yeah, like you were saying, it seems
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  Speaker 3: to just always beginning updates makes me kind of want
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  Speaker 3: to get into it. So maybe maybe eventually.
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  Speaker 1: Nicole, you'll probably get like obsessed with Hogwart's mystery and
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  Speaker 1: then they'll be like, guess what, we're ending it?
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  Speaker 3: Right, So maybe I just know I won't even start it,
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  Speaker 3: just to save myself the disappointment. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, last, but not least, moving on to some podcast news,
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  Speaker 2: Expecto Patronum, a weekly podcast all about patronoss, is out now.
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  Speaker 2: Some Revalue staff are also involved in this project, like Amy,
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  Speaker 2: Liz Kim, and Carolyn and this show will cover every
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  Speaker 2: known corporeal form of patroniss as found in the official
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  Speaker 2: patroonastest at Wizardingworld dot com, as well as other in
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  Speaker 2: depth discussions about the Charm, so you can catch new
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  Speaker 2: episodes every Wednesday. And yeah, it sounds so interesting, an
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  Speaker 2: interesting concept, like could you give us some scooping me
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  Speaker 2: or something?
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  Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, no, we had a lot of fun with us.
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: We actually pre recorded all of season one, so there's
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit of content coming out. Yeah, we tried
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: to make it in really digestible segments. So each episode
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  Speaker 1: is about thirty to forty five minutes long, so great
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  Speaker 1: for a commute. And yeah, we just talk about each
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  Speaker 1: of the known forms of patronises, so each animal is
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  Speaker 1: a different episode. So we had a lot of fun
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  Speaker 1: looking at folklore to do with these animals, kind of
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  Speaker 1: some of their meanings and symbolism, what characters we think
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  Speaker 1: could match up with those patronises if they are with
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  Speaker 1: a character that we know doesn't make sense. So some
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  Speaker 1: really great discussions.
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  Speaker 3: Very cool. Yeah, I would say we're recording this episode
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  Speaker 3: on the day that your first episode came out, so
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  Speaker 3: I had a chance to listen to that today. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm really excited for yeah, for this project. So congrats Amy,
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  Speaker 3: Yay and everyone else, because I know the rest of
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: you guys that are involved with our project are probably
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: listening to this episode. So good job, guys, shout out
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  Speaker 3: to everyone.
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  Speaker 2: And that wraps up.
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  Speaker 4: Or finally a shorter news section.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So moving into our main discussion. As we mentioned
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  Speaker 3: at the top of the show, we're going to be
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  Speaker 3: talking about Wandler this show, so kind of just you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to go through a little bit of a
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  Speaker 3: history of Wandlor, talk about some of the known wand makers,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit about you know, wand woods and cores,
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  Speaker 3: and also go through some characters and their wands and
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  Speaker 3: you know, if we think that it represents that character,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll also kind of throw in a little bit
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  Speaker 3: about our own wands, you know, towards the end. So
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  Speaker 3: starting off with kind of some general Wandlor information, So
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  Speaker 3: there's we don't really know a ton about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the history of Wandlor, and I think that's probably because
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the witches and wizards in the wizarding
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  Speaker 3: world that we read about also don't know a lot
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  Speaker 3: about it. It's kind of this very ancient and complex
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  Speaker 3: branch of magic that is obviously focused on you know,
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  Speaker 3: wandmaking and the abilities of wands and the actions of wands,
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  Speaker 3: and it really seems to be studied the most by
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  Speaker 3: of course, you know, wand makers, and we also know
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  Speaker 3: there are some non wandmakers who also study wandlor a lot,
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  Speaker 3: like Elvis Dumbledore or Yeah. So some of the known
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  Speaker 3: wandmakers that you know, we we are privy to. There
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  Speaker 3: are a few different ones in the wizarding world, but
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  Speaker 3: we'll kind of highlight the most well known. Uh So
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  Speaker 3: we have Grigorovich, who of course is one of the
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  Speaker 3: experts in Wandlord that we're introduced to, and he really
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  Speaker 3: supplied a lot of witches and wizards in the European
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  Speaker 3: like continental European countries with wands. We kind of learn
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  Speaker 3: about him because you know, he becomes in possession of
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  Speaker 3: the elder wand and we know how that kind of
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  Speaker 3: ends up for him. And one of his last ones
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  Speaker 3: that he ever sold was to Victor Crumb. It's very
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  Speaker 3: interesting Grigorovich is, so, you know, he's he's definitely well
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  Speaker 3: known enough. He's got his own little stand universal, so
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  Speaker 3: he is definitely one of our our more popular ones.
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  Speaker 4: It's interesting too.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't add it, you know, in here, but when
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  Speaker 3: I was looking up the uh, you know, some of
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  Speaker 3: the known wandmakers sometimes death is listed because of the
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  Speaker 3: creation of the elder wand and I really like that.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I'm gonna kind of I'll
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  Speaker 3: kind of give him a little shout out. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: know if I know, if i'd classify him as a
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  Speaker 3: wandmaker in terms of like comparing him with you know,
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  Speaker 3: Grigorovitch and and those, but I thought that was very
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  Speaker 3: interesting to kind of include him in in a list
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  Speaker 3: of wandmakers.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder, like who the very first wand maker was.
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  Speaker 3: So, I will say when I was kind of looking
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  Speaker 3: into this on the like Harry Potter wiki, talked a
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  Speaker 3: lot about druids and that kind of being the like
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  Speaker 3: earliest you know, going back thousands and thousands of years,
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  Speaker 3: kind of starting to take trees and make them kind
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  Speaker 3: of into wands. So I think that, you know, that
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  Speaker 3: history goes really, you know, really far back. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: who would be classified as like that that first one?
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I feel like I think there's something about
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  Speaker 1: in ancient Egypt as well, they had wands that they
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  Speaker 1: weren't would and forgetting what they're made out of. I
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  Speaker 1: should know this. I wrote like a whole chapter about this.
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  Speaker 1: Check out The History of Magic Book. Read it and
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  Speaker 1: you'll know more than I do at this moment. Yeah. No,
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  Speaker 1: there was something about it, and I think it had
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  Speaker 1: something to do with like childbirth and protecting the mothers
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  Speaker 1: is what they used those wands for. I want to
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  Speaker 1: say it with some sort of tusk. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that would make sense.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, of course, the kind of the
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  Speaker 3: most famous wandmaker you know that we that we are
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  Speaker 3: aware of is Garrick Olivander, but it actually goes beyond him.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's the Olivander family in general. Throughout kind
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  Speaker 3: of the next section I'm going to put a lot
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  Speaker 3: of plugs in for the from the Wizarding Archive. A
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: book which we talked about was that maybe like our
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: very first episode or the SEC I can't remember now
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  Speaker 3: where we learned that they were going to be putting
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: all of JK. Rowling's additional writings that were on Potter
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  Speaker 3: more and yet another kind of ebook format. And this
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: particular book was taking the previously released kind of collection
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  Speaker 3: of writings and expanding on it, including more and it
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  Speaker 3: also has like some extra editorials in it and introductions.
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  Speaker 3: And Tom and Amy have heard me talking a ton
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  Speaker 3: about the audiobook version of this, and I totally recommend
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  Speaker 3: it still and there especially the wan chapter. So that
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  Speaker 3: chapter kind of takes all of those like individual writings
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  Speaker 3: on like wan Woods and the cores and flexibility and
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  Speaker 3: puts it together in one chapter with some you know,
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  Speaker 3: editorial to weave it all together. And it's so nice
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  Speaker 3: in the audiobook because it's not just one author like
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: reading it to you. It's like a whole cast. So
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: then they'll have like, you know, Evana might be kind
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  Speaker 3: of reading a little bit, and then they have a
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  Speaker 3: mal voice actor who comes in as Olivander, and it
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  Speaker 3: really feels like all Vander's talking to you, and it's
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  Speaker 3: really cool. And I'm going to read some of the
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  Speaker 3: pieces from there, you know, as we kind of go
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  Speaker 3: through this. But just this is my little unofficial plug
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  Speaker 3: for that book because I was listening to the audiobook
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  Speaker 3: in preparation for this episode, and a lot of cool
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  Speaker 3: information there. And we're not going to talk obviously about
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: all of the information that's out there because this episode
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  Speaker 3: would be forever long. So you know, definitely, if Wandlor
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  Speaker 3: and kind of the stuff we talk about today is
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  Speaker 3: something that you know, you're interested in, you know, learning
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  Speaker 3: more in definitely check out those additional pieces either on
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  Speaker 3: Wizardingworld dot com or getting that book. Not sponsored. This
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  Speaker 3: is my unofficial review of that book, but yeah, not
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  Speaker 3: an AD's I wish, I wish, but yeah, so obviously,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Olivander is the UK's most distinguished wand maker.
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  Speaker 3: And one thing I really liked of how it's worded
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  Speaker 3: in that chapter three of the Wizarding Archive is it
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  Speaker 3: really refers to Olivander as being more like a wand
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  Speaker 3: middleman than a wand salesman. And I really like that
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  Speaker 3: because you know, he obviously very famously says to Harry
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  Speaker 3: like it's really the wand that chooses the wizard and
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  Speaker 3: kind of puts himself in this place of like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just the one that was here and I made it,
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  Speaker 3: and now I'm just after I make it. It's like it's
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  Speaker 3: up to the wand to decide, you know, where it
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  Speaker 3: goes next. And I think was it JK. Rowling had
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  Speaker 3: referred to wands as being like quasi sentiment, which is
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  Speaker 3: something that really plays a role in like Olivander's craft,
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  Speaker 3: which we'll talk a little bit about.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Here's something I'm like thinking about as you're saying that,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: So what if you walk into a wand shop, say Olivanders,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and not a single wand in the shop chooses you
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: do you have to go to a different wandmaker, Like,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: what do you do?
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a good question. I feel like you.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Can try all the Vanders and Hogsmead according to Yah
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: got to the little cart.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that Alvander over and diagon Alley. He doesn't know
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: what he's talking about. I'm here in Hogsmade Olivanders. Yeah, No,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: that's a good question. I wonder if there's any like
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: history of that happening. Like I guess maybe in that
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: moment you question if you're a squib, it's me, I
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: don't have magic.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: It's like how the sorting hat has hat stalls. The
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: wands are like, nah, we want nothing to do with
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: this person.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Get a second hand wand maybe for the time being,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: until you find wond that is for you. Yeah, like
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: happened with Ron that he had Like I was just thinking, yeah,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a wand and then he had like his actual wand
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: that chose him later on.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you could use any wand and then maybe
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: you like win a wand's allegiance by using that like
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: not great wand and then the new wand that you want.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: This allegiance is like the one that chooses you random
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: thought of the day. Sorry, No, definitely a.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Good thought that I have never thought of. Yeah, that
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: would be me, right, I would be well, you know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I think of I have been chosen at all vanders
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: at Universal, which was really fine. But I think like
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: if say this was like, yes, I had Yes, I
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: was on a trip that I was on with Amy
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: and yeah, there was no little children in our group,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: so and we were.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah I was I was the closest.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but no, it was really fun. And but
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: if I think if I was like an actual like
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: witch in the actual Wizarding World and I like went
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: into the shop, and it would be a very stressful
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: experience for me because I would think exactly what you
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: were thinking, like what if nothing chooses me or like
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: such imposter syndrome, and that would be like really stressful.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: And I think we kind of see like it is
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: a little stressful for Harry at first, right, because he
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: like goes through a couple before he gets his you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: magic moment there. So it was a little bit of
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: a trial error, a trial and error situation, and yeah,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that probably went through his head, like yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not a real wizard. Yeah, it's kind of a
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: stressful situation to be like, you know, we want we
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: want to try to find the wand that's going to
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: be the most attuned to you for possibly the rest
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: of your life. M it's almost a bigger decision than
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: your Hogwarts house because it's like the wand could possibly
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: literally be with you for the rest of your life, right,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: and it becomes like an extension of yourself.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And there's no way you won't get sorted into a
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: house either. So it's kind of like, yeah, whereas we're here, like, okay,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: am I going? Is there going to be a one
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: that's going to choose me? Even if it chooses me?
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Is it the actual want that's you know, that's the
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: most I'm most connected to and I feel we'll have
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: most allegiance to for the rest of my life. Like
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: that's also another thing, like how are you sure that
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the wand that shows you is the best fit for you?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And there's not another wand that might be able to
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: choose you and make you a better wizard? So yeah,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: It's like soulmates.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Describing that, you know, like and dragons.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: But I think like it's obviously not as it's obviously
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: not as like serious as that, right, because it's like obviously,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: you know, in something like the Imperian universe, you know,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: you can't really live without each other, you know, once
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: you have that bond, whereas obviously having the WAND is
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: not a true bond in that way, and like you
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: could continue to exist without your WAND, and your WAND
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: can continue to exist without you, and you know, you
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: you can get another you can get a new wand,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: even if it's not you know. So it's like, yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I like that comparison, but it's also good that it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: not that serious. Could you imagine if it was, like
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: if something happened to your wand, like you just die,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: like that would be terrifying.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: I feel like a dragon, like a.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Dragon needing to stay alive to hold up your life
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: is probably more not as terrifying as a piece of wood.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah that could easily break. Well, good thing, you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: it's you know, at the end of the day, we
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: do see lots of times that the WAND does choose
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: the wizard, but luckily it's not that serious. And so
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: one thing I think that really kind of sets Olivander
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: apart from all the other wandmakers is that he really
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: became focused on improving the cores and the wand woods used.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: That was really part of his craft, was like really
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: focusing on that. And prior to Olivander, wizards were using
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: a wide variety of wand cores, and some times it
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: could even be like a magical substance that they were
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: attached to or something that they inherited and they just
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: want put they wanted to put in a wand and
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: but Olivander kind of was like, oh no, like we're
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: not doing that. We need to have, you know, immensely
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: powerful magical substances that are very specifically chosen and expertly
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: enclosed to have the very best wands, and those wand
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: cores need to be complementary of the wand woods that
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: they're going into. And I think this, this thought, in
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: this ideology of his is really kind of like what
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: made his wands so great and so special and so
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: different than a lot of the other, you know, the
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: other wandmakers. And like we learned too that a lot
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: of witches and wizards would fly into the UK and
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: into Britain to get wands specifically from Olivander, even though
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: they could have gotten you know, a wand from their
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: local indie wand shop back in you know, back in
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: their country, they were choosing to seek out these wands
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: that were created by Olivander. And then you know, of course,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: once you have this specifically chosen core in you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: the wood, then as we were just kind of talking about,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: the wand would then be matched to the wizard that
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: the want itself felt the most affinity towards. So with
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: wand cores, Olivander kind of narrowed it down to three.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: So he's like, all of my wands are going to
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: have one of three magical substances in them, and those
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: substances were either unicorn hair, dragon heart string, or phoenix feather.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: And in the I just wanted to kind of read
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: a little bit from the in from the Wizarding Archive
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: where he kind of describes in his notes where he says,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: early in my career, as I watched my wandmaker father
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: wrestling with substandard wand court materials such as kelpie hair,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I conceive the ambition to discover the finest cores and
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: to work only with those when my time came to
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: take over the family business. This I have done. After
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: much experimentation and research, I concluded that only three substances
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: produce wands of the quality to which I am happy
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: to give the illustrious name of Oli Vander unicorn hair,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: dragon heartstring, and phoenix feather. Each of these costly and
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: rare materials has its own distinct properties. And in so
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I thought that was, you know, you know, really cool
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: that he was kind of already thinking about this, you know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: when I take over the family business, like this is
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: how I'm going to change it, and this is how
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I'm going to make it better. And so then you
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: can kind of go on to read in that chapter
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: his little descriptions on each of those wand cores, which
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: we'll talk a little bit more later on as we
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: kind of talk about some specific wands, we'll kind of
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: touch on those different cores.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting too, that like it's a
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: family business, because it sort of plays into like that
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: whole idea of folk magic too, like passing it down generationally.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: So I think that's just like a fun little Oh,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: it's like been passed through the generations, this like really
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: specific magic of wandlor and gets better with each generation.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: So very cool.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and actually I was just kind of looking back on,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: you know, as you mentioned that this chapter also starts
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: talking It starts with talking a little bit about the
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: family of Alivander, and it talks a little bit about
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the origins of their name, which I know we're going
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: to talk about later in the episode, but does talk
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: about how the original Olivander arrived in Britain from a
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Mediterranean country which olive trees are obviously not native to
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: the UK, so mister Olivander himself believes that his earliest
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: forebears in this country arrived with the Romans and set
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: up stall which obviously subsequently became known as a shop
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: to sell to ancient British wizards whose wands were of
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: crude construction and unreliable in performance. So that's kind of
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: a little snippet that's in the Wisdom Archive about the family.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: And it does talk a little bit too about how, yeah,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: he grew up in the family business. And then that's
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: kind of just seeing you know, being in it and
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: seeing it is what kind of inspired him to you
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: know to say, how can I improve this when I
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: kind of take over this, you know, take over this
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: family business. So kind of moving on to wand woods.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: So where there's only three cores, there are plethora of
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: wand woods. I think the yeah, the book mentions a
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: forest full if you will, because there's so many different
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: kinds of woods. So, you know, like I mentioned earlier,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: we won't go into everything in depth. We're not going
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: to go through the whole list of wandwoods. Definitely check
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: out either that article or the chapter in the Wizarding
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Archive if you want to go through like a full
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: list of all the wand woods and their properties. But
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: again we'll touch on a few kind of towards the
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: end of the episode here when we go through some characters.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: But just a little bit of note from that's in
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: the Wizarding Archive from Olivander himself and his notes about
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: wand woods. He says, every single wand is unique and
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: will depend for its character on a particular tree and
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: magical creature from which it derives its materials. Moreover, each wand,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: from the moment it finds its ideal owner, will begin
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: to learn from and teach its human partner Therefore, the
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: following must be seen as general notes on how each
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: of the wand types I like to work with best,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: and ought not to be taken to describe any individual
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Wand says only a minority of trees can produce wand
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: quality wood, just as a minority of humans can produce magic.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: It takes years of experience to tell which ones have
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: the gift, although the job is made easier if bow
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: truckles are found nestling in the leaves, as they never
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: inhabit mundane trees. And then they go on to describe
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: all the different wand woods. So I find that very
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: interesting that it's like, you know, it's it's not just
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: every ash tree that he felt you could take the
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: wood from to create a wand. It's like you had
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: to find and develop a keen eye for the ones
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: that were going to be the best to produce a wand.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: And then the last kind of big component of Olivander's
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: wands were length and flexibility of the wand. So Olivanders
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: said that he rarely sells wands over fifteen inches, but
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: we do know that Hagrid's wand is sixteen inches, so
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: there's obviously some exceptions. To that. So in the Ways Archive,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: there's also some notes on wand length and flexibility that
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: are taken from the notes of Olivander, where he says,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: many wand makers simply match the wand length to the
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: size of the witch or wizard who will use it.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: But this is a crude measure and fails to take
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: into account many other important considerations. In my experience, longer
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: wands might suit taller wizards, but they tend to be
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: drawn to bigger personalities and those of a more spacious
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: and dramatic style of magic. Neater wands favor more elegant
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: and refined spell casting. However, no single aspect of wand
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: composition should be considered in isolation of all the others,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: and the type of wood the core and the flexibility
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: may either counterbalance or enhance the attributes of the wand's length.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Most wands will be in the range of between nine
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: and fourteen inches, while I have sold extremely short wands
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: eight inches and under, and very long wands which are
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: over fifteen inches. These are exceptionally rare, and then mentions
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: in the latter case of physically physical peculiarity demanded the
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: excessive wand length, which we could assume that's maybe hagrid. However,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: abnormally short ones usually select those in whose character something
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: is lacking, rather than because they are physically undersized. Many
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: small witches and wizards are yep, many witches and wizards.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Many small witches and wizards are chosen by longer wands,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: which spoiler alert will talk about this later. My wand
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: length is quite long, and I am quite short, So
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: this does seem to fit. How powder more new that
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: now that I'm thinking about side, it's fascinating. And then
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: he also talks about wand flexibility and rigidity, and this
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: denotes the degree of adaptability and willingness to change possessed
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: by the wand and owner pair, although again this factor
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: ought not to be considered separately from the wand would
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: core and length, nor of the owner's life, experience and
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: style of magic, all of which will combine to make
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: the wand in question unique. So yeah, so that's a
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: little bit, you know, also from the notes of Olive
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Vander regarding yeah, just his thought process and all of
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: those different those different things that have made you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: his like we said, his wand special and you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: pretty all the ones that in the characters that we encounter,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: you know, in the books and the films, had their
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: wands come from him. So mm hmm.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to be discussing some of the wood
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: wandes and some of the wand woods sorry, and their
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: cores and some attributes as well as our own. So yeah,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: we're going to start off by the hero himself, Harry Potter.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: His wood. His wandwood is Holly. So Holly is one
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: of the rarer kinds of wand woods. Traditionally considered protective,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: it works most happily for those who may need help
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: overcoming a tendency to anger and and posity. At the
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: same time, hollywan's often choose owners who are engaged in
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: some dangerous and often spiritual quest. Holly is one of
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: those woods that varies most drastically in performance depending on
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: the wand core, and is notoriously difficult wood to team
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: with Phoenix feather, as the woods volatility conflicts strangely with
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: the phoenix detachment and the unusual event of such a
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: pairing finding its ideal match. However, nothing and nobody should
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: stand in their way hmmm, which yeah, kind of has
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Harry written all over it. And then its core, which
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: is phoenix feather. Shout out to Fox. This is the
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: rarest cored type. Phoenix feathers are capable of the greatest
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: range of magic, though they may take longer than either
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Unicorn or dragon corps to reveal this. They show the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: most initiative, sometimes acting on their own accord, a quality
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: that many witches and wizards dislike, and phoenix feather wands
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: are always theipicious when it comes to potential owners, for
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the creature from which they are taking is one of
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: the most independent and detached in the world. These ones
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: are the hardest to tame and personalized, and their allegiance
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: is usually hard wand so yeah, it's it's great. It's
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: also my core phoenix feather. So I always felt very special.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I know, you know, we usually only deal with three
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: different cores, but it always because since I have like
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: three or four poder more accounts, and always I always
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: got phoenix feather. No matter what wind I got or
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: anything like, it was always phoenix feather. So I was like, yes,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I'm I have like the same core as area, and
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: plus I love phoenixes, so it makes sense.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Huh, yeah, I mean the wood description is very clearly
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like totally.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah it is.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: And I think it's so interesting that it's like, you know, yeah,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: it like really describes him. I feel like it's obviously
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: a very perfect, you know, wand would, but I think
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: it's very interesting how it talks about that it's notoriously
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: difficult for Hollywood to team with Phoenix Feather, which is
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: obviously his core. And yeah, I think we see that
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: like in his you know, in his wand in him.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I think it's like it like reflects his kind of
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to like describe it, but like
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: his internal struggle, his internal struggle.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Between like him and the part that is Valdemart like
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: always kind of battling it out. That could be like
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: very paralleled with the Holly in the Phoenix Feather sort
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: of battling it out.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: It's like his wand is also always having like an
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: internal struggle. Yeah, with the magic so deep us, that's
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: so deep.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well then it says to the Phoenix Feather core
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: acting of its own accord. I mean we know that
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Harry's Wand does that a few times, right when he's
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: being chased by the death eaters, and the WAND kind
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: of turns around to go after.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Baltimore, right, So to the allegiance thing too, like.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, it's that allegiance thing. Mm
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: hmmm hm. And the there's that kind of like showing
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: that there is that like yeah, that a bit of
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: sentience there and the ultimate Ultimately it's like the WAND
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: doesn't like it's like it almost goes even a bit
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: deeper than just an allegiance. It's like I don't want
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: to call it so far to be like a protector almost,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: but like you know what I mean, obviously you were
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: just saying like sensing that in this moment, my owner
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: is in peril or you know, I wonder what would
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: happen if, like you were, if the owner was very
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: much in peril and could not make you know, a
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: true spell or a true something on their own. Like
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: how like what's the degree that like a WAND can
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: kind of like step in in that moment to kind
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: of like protect their owner. I don't know if we've
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: ever like fully seen that more than kind of that
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: example you just gave amy, but kind of got me thinking,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: like at what how incapacitated could an owner be that
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: the wand could still help them as long as they
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: were holding it or conscious enough to know I'm in
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: peril right now. You know.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: You can see it also in the film when they
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: are like the Death Eato chase at the beginning with
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: deathly hollows, Harry's like almost collapsing and it's almost like
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: something natural that comes out of his arm and he's
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: just like and he casts Explermius. I think they do
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: the again. What was the name it was when when
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: those two collide, It was Dumbledore explains it Pam Tatum. Yeah,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: so that happens again, and he's not even almost conscious
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: that he's doing that. But that's right, he's so connected
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: at this point after seven years that it's like almost
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: one like they have become, you know, so entight that
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's so beautifully you know
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: shown there, Like it's so that they have this such
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: a strong connection, which is also I hate what when
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: it gets snapped into and you know, we don't get it,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: you know, face to the last, very last chapter, very last, yeah,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: before the epilogue basically, So, yeah.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Do we think that like like in that scene in particular,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: or like I wonder if. And obviously it's hard, right
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: because it's like I don't want to super analyze like
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: a like a film scene because obviously that they might
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: take liberties there that wouldn't have happened in like True
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Cannon in the books. But I think, like, you know, it,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: could that have also happened because of like Harry's wand
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: in Baltimore's wands, like essentially being brothers, and if there's
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: some sentience between both of their wands because they both
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: contain you know, Fox, Phoenix, his cores and in that moment,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: like you know, I think, you know, obviously definitely an
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: allegiance to Harry, but is there also an additional sentience
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: there because it's like the wand is do you know
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say, Like the wand is sens
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: brother like magnetic?
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, definitely I think so. Yeah, I think that's
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: how it he casts the Priori in Cantatam, back in
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: the graveyard scene, back in Cabbet of Fire. I think it's, yeah,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: he's he's not even aware of what he's doing most
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: of the times, and it's like he's almost always saved
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: by his wand. And also because of the strong connection
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: it has with Voldemort's because they share the same core.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's something that, Yeah, there's definitely something about
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: it too, definitely. Yeah.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: All right. So the next character we have is Hermiami
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Granger and Hermione's wand wood is Vine, which is described
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: in those writings from Olivander. So in Olivander's notes he
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: describes vine, and he says the Druids considered anything with
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a woody stem as a tree, and vine makes wands
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: of such a special nature that I have been happy
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: to continue their ancient tradition. Vine wands are among the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: less common types, and I have been intrigued to notice
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: that their owners are nearly always those witches are wizards
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: who seek a greater purpose. We have a vision beyond
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the ordinary, and too frequently astound those who think they
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: know them best. Vine wands seem strongly attracted by personalities
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: with hidden depths, and I have found them more sensitive
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: than any other when it comes to instantly detecting a
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: prospective match. Reliable sources claim that these wands can emit
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: magical effects upon the mere entrance into their room of
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: a suitable owner, and I have twice observed the phenomenon
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: in my own shop. So again I think like Harry's
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: that very it's pretty fitting. And Hermione is wand Core
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: is dragon heart string, which as a rule, dragon heart
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: strings produce wands with the most power and which are
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: capable of the most flamboyant spells. Dragon wands tend to
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: learn more quickly than other types. Well, they can change
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: allegiance if one from their original master, they always bond
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: strongly with the current owner. The dragon Wand tends to
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: be easiest to turn to the dark arts, though it
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: will not incline that way of its own accord. It
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: is also the most prone of the three cores to accidents,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: being somewhat temperamental.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: H I think it's kind of interesting that her Wan
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: has like dragon heartstring because I feel like, you know,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: unlike Harry's with you know, with being the Phoenix Core.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Just based on the description of dragon Heartstring, I actually
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: feel like it doesn't fit Hermione. Now, I don't want
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: to say at all, but really much at all? Like really,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: I guess ye much at all. And I think other
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: than dragon Wand's kind of tending to learn more quickly
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: than other types. But is it really like I feel
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: like that's more her and like who she is and
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: just how intelligent she is, and she just happens to
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: have a wand that also is a quick learner, and
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: so it compliments her in that way.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I I mean the part of it
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: being like the most powerful or yeah, produce wands with
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the most power. I guess that kind of makes sense.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I mean her spells are pretty powerful.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: M Yeah.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: And also being the less common types too makes her
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: top of the class for a reason too, not just brains,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: and you know, also like having this special one that
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: not everybody has, like this wood type, I also think
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: gives her that advantage of standing out too.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when I think it shows two that it's like,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: you know, as much as the woods and the cores
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: have their own kind of properties, like at the end
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: of the day, like it really comes down to like
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: the owner and the user of that wand to really
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: kind of either exemplify those properties or maybe even like
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: challenge some of them, because I think that like Hermione
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: is such a powerful witch that she almost has this
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: control over the core to like not be temperamental like
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: she has so much like like like I don't know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: like refinement and honness over magic that it's able. It's
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: almost like she's able to counteract that in her wand
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: because she's so good at magic and spells. Whereas somebody
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: who might have a dragon heart string that maybe doesn't
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: have like as much control in refinement over there magic
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: or maybe aren't as powerful, might see that they're having
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: these accidents in the temperamental because they can't fully control
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: their wand in that way, And it might even be
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: something that they completely do unconsciously, like you know, they're
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: not you know, thinking about it, but.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if that's happened when they escape Godwig's Hollow,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: that you know, she you know, she throws an incantation
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: and it bounces back and that's how his wand gets destroyed.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: So I wonder if that, you know, goes back to
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: that kind of losing that that control control and being
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: a little unpredictable.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: It's like always still there, and it's like in that moment,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: there's such I mean, there's so much going on in
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: that moment right that it's like you can't even be
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: even as a strong witch or something like that, Like
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: there's so much emotion and fear and everything in that
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: moment that even the strongest I think or most powerful
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: or smartest witch or wizard could possibly not be fully
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: in control of their magic in that moment because of
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: the emotion of what's going on in that moment. And
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: so yeah, what you see what you said, Yeah, it's
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, she's not like fully focused
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: in that moment because of the emotion of the situation.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, you get to see that that property
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: a little bit of maybe not her magic, but like
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: her wand just displaying its property in a moment where
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: she can't be fully in reactive and control of it.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Feeling. Yeah, yeah, well, good thing.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Harry's wand court is not Dragon Heartstring because I feel like,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: especially when he is super angsty and I think lots
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: of yeah.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: It'd be sad by.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Now, yeah, something would happen that would just not be
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: a great match at all, because, you know, being somewhat temperamental,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I feel like also describes Harry. So yeah, yeah, good thing.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: It's not his wand core.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Good thing.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, moving on to the next wand we have Ron Weasley,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: actually his second one, the one that actually picked him.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: So his wand wood is Willow and it's an incommon
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: wandwood with healing power. And I have noted that the
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: ideal owner for a willow want often has some unusually
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: unwarranted insecurity. However well they might try and hide it.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: While many confident customers insist on trying a willow wand,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: attracted by their handsome appearance and well founded reputation for
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: enabling advanced non verbal magic, my willow wands have consistently
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: selected those of greatest potential rather than those who feel
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: like they have little to learn. It has always been
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: a proverb in my life in my family that he
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: who has the furthest to travel will go fastest with willow,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: which again I think speaks a lot about you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: speaks about Ron a lot of how he you know,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: he's evolved so much out of the trio. It's probably
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: the one you see growing to become an amazing, like
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: a very powerful wizard, you know, because even Harry and
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Hermione are great from the get go. But Ron is
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: the one I think who has a lot to learn
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: and has a lot he has to evolve, and he
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: grows up to be a very talented wizard. And yeah,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I feel like when I was reading this. I was like, yeah,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: it really feels like it, like the three of these
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: that we've read now, the wood types at least, do
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: you speak volumes of each of these characters?
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his insecurity as well.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I was going to say that word is, oh yeah,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: he's driven by insecurity all the time.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, super descriptive.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Of yeah, m hm. And his core is unicorn tail hair.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Unicorn hair generally produces the most consistent magic and is
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: least subject to fluctuations and blockages. Wants with unicorn cores
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: are generally the most difficult to turn to the dark arts.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: They are the most faithful of all wands, and usually
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: remain strongly attached to their first owner, irrespective of whether
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: he or she was an accomplished wi witch or wizard.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Minor disadvantages of unicorn hair are that they do not
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: make the most powerful ones, although the wand wood may compensate,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: and that they are prone to melancholy if seriously mishandled,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: meaning that the hair may die and need replacing, which I.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Basically they're like drama queens divas Yeah.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which makes sense. Yeah, and liked it, yeah needy yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: And I love how they say like they don't. They
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: don't produce like the most powerful ones. But because his want,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: you know, because his swand wood is so powerful, it
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: compensates for that. So I think it's a great choice
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: for him.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: But I love what you said about the insecurity part,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: because Ron spends the whole span of the books and
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: the movies just being very secure about you know, being
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: like the hand me down, you know, clothes brother. He
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't have anything of his own when he starts off.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: He's always like shadowed by Harry, and you know he
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: feels that way, like and you see it all throughout
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: all of the books that he has those insecurities with him.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Even with the Lockheed when it opens and it you know,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: just shows everything his worst fears. That's where his instat
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: securities like come, you know, you know, raining down, pouring
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: down on him, and you know, I think that's where
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: he's at his darkest.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: But he still doesn't turn to the dark arts.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, yeah, despite all of that,
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: I think he's the one that I never could see
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: turning to the dark arts. And I think also as
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: you were just talking about that insecurity and everything, I
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: think it's very telling that his core is the one
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: that is the most consistent, which really is kind of
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: that juxtaposition to having the insecure wood and kind of
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: where we talked about, like where it mentions the wood
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: and the core can kind of compensate for each other's weaknesses.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: I think it's very I don't know, it's very cool
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: that he is such a character of so much insecurity
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: and fluctuations, but that the core of his wand is
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: kind of like the opposite of that, And it's like
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: he needs something that is consistent and something that isn't fluctuating,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: and something that is really face full because he struggles
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: It's almost like his inner side. It's almost as if
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: you were talking about that that you know, not even
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: about a want, but about that you know, constant issue
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: and that constant battle he has with you know, trying
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: to find self worth and saying, hey, I'm a really
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: powerful wizard. I can get the girl in my dreams.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: It's all in my head. And that's how he compensates
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: that as well.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So moving out of the trio and
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: onto Valdemort, which is very interesting because Baltimore actually has
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: two wands. His original wand that chose him and the
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: elder wand, so his original wand is made from you
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: would and you. Wands are among the rarer kinds, and
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: their ideal matches are likewise unusual and occasionally notorious. The
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: wand of You is reputed to endow its possessor with
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: the power of life and death, which might of course
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: be said of all wands. And yet you retains a
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: particularly dark and fearsome reputation in the spheres of dueling
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: and all curses. However, it is untrue to say, as
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: those unlearned and wandlor often do, that those who use
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: U wands are more likely to be attracted to the
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: dark arts than another. The witcher wizard best suited to
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: a U wand might equally prove a fierce protector of others.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Wands hewn from these most long lived trees have been
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: found in the possession of heroes quite as often as
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: of villains. Where wizards have been buried with wands of You,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: the wand generally sprouts into a tree guarding the dead
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: owner's grave. Which is certain in my experience is that
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: the U wand never chooses either a mediocre or a
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: timid owner, And of course we know the core of
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: that you wand is the other phoenix feather from fox,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: the pair of the one that is in Harry's So
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: again a very descriptive, pretty spot on one description that
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: quite fits the character. And then the elder wand obviously
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: is made of elder, which is the rarest wand would
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: of all and reputed to be deeply unlucky. The elder
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: wand is trickier to master than any other. It contains
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: powerful magic, but scorns to remain with any owner who
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: is not the superior of his or her company. It
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: takes a remarkable wizard to keep the elder wand for
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: any length of time. The old superstition wand of elder
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: never prosper has its basis in this fear of the wand,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: but in fact the superstition is baseless, and those foolish
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: wandmakers who refuse to work with elder do so more
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: because they doubt they will be able to sell their
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: products than from fear of working with this wood. The
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: truth is that only a highly unusual person will find
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: their perfect match in elder and. On the rare occasion
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: when such a pairing occurs, I take it as certain
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: that the witcher wizard in question is marked out for
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: a special destiny. An additional fact that I have unearthed
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: during my long years of study is that the owners
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: of elder Wands almost always feel a powerful affinity with
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: those chosen by Rowan. And then the core of the
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: elder Wand is a thestraal tail hair, which obviously we
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: have no info for because that's really not used as
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: wand cores by wandmakers just death.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: I think it's it's interesting because obviously, like the I
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: think you know, his original wand of you is definitely
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: much more fitted and much more paired to him. I
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: mean really, the description, like we said, is like super
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: spot on, and I feel like it makes so much
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: sense that like Dumbledore also has the Elder Wand, because
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: I feel like, as you were kind of like reading
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: like that description, I feel like it's such it's much
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: more suited to Dumbledore. And obviously, as we know, it
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: doesn't really work out well for Baltimore his wand, and
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: I think that's because it never it never should have
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: been it never was destined, I think. And it's obviously
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: such a powerful, a powerful and rare wand and maybe
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: arguably is the most sentient of them all. And ye,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know, as you were just as you were
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: reading the description, I'm just like, this makes it like
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: I just was thinking of Dumbledore.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably the most hard one want too, because you know,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: everything you have to do to gain its allegiance, not
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: anyone can can you know, achieve that, and only very
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: powerful and you know, historically, you know, acknowledged wizards for
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: good or bad, have been able to not you know,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: and not even Valdemore, like you said, Nicole, like he
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: didn't even get to grasp its full potential just because
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: the one never actually chose him. So it kind of
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: like even backfired a little bit. Like he said, he said,
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: I'm amazing, but the want is not responding to me
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: like I would want to. So yeah, I think it's
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: definitely you know, it's it almost feels like stolen from
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: literally he stole it from his. But yeah, like I
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: also agree like the first one, like the you wants
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: I think are much more you know, in line with
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: valdemort m h.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's interesting the line about it takes a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: remarkable wizard to keep the elder wand for any length
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: of time. If we think about the owners of the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: wand that we know Dumbledore, Snape, Valdemort. Think about how
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: long Dumbledore had that wand and then think about the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: very short amount of time Snape and Valdemot had its allegiance.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Didn't Grinda Wald have it before Dumbledore?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you're right. Yeah, So it's just interesting, like
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: if that's a measure of greatness, Valdemore really wasn't all
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: that great. He couldn't hang on to it for long.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Snape didn't stand a chance.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't it technically like was it ever
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: allegiant to Snape or was it Draco? Really? And then
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: that's where And it's like because that's because Draco is
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: the one that disarmed Dumbledore. Snape's the one that killed him.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: And then that's ultimately how it becomes in possession of Harry,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: because Harry disarms Draco. And so yeah, so I mean,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: so yeah, to look at that, I mean, it wasn't
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: it's like a similar situation of it. I mean, well,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: obviously Draco didn't even realize he was the owner, you know,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: of the older wand from.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Owner to owner and never really Yeah.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: Interesting, And I don't know, I was just kind of
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: looking up to see, you know, with Grigorovich having the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: elder wand if we can, if we can find out,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: you know, with that, how long how long he had it.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's you know, obviously we don't
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think that we know too much, and we
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: don't know a lot of how he became in possession
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: of it. It was just kind of at some point
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: you know, before yeah, before Grindovald took it from him.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: But I would say it seems like probably Grindevald and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: Dumbledore are probably the longest owners of it that like,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: of people that we know. Yeah, I mean, Grougorovich could
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: have been you know, we obviously we just don't know.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: But so here's something I'm thinking about too. At the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: end of the elder Would description, it says owners of
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: elder wands almost always feel a powerful affinity with those
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: chosen by Rowan. When I looked, I couldn't find what
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Grendelvald's wand would is everything said unknown. I wonder if
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: it's Rowan.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, again, if it's my thing of like that
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: description just fits, you know, double door and yeah, it's
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: kind of just another thing of their connection and really
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: also just shows how brilliantly this whole thing was thought out.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: That's my new theory and I'm sticking to it.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: I like that, And yeah, I'm surprised that we don't
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: I guess I'm kind of surprised that we don't know.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: But I guess it makes sense that we don't know,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: because really kind of, you know, the biggest thing is
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: him becoming the owner of the elder Wand at some point,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: So why do we really need to know what it
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: was before? Hmm?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good theories.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Interesting theory. I mean, I guess the only thing would
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: be that, like when Dumbledore and Grindelbald were like in
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: each other's lives, Dumbledore didn't have the elder wand at
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: that point. That's true, he had his obviously because he
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: got it from him. But I like it.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: All right. So up next we have Bellatrix was Strange,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: whose wand would is walnut? Highly intelligent witches and wizards
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: ought to be offered a walnut walnut wand for trial first,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: because in nine cases out of ten, the two will
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: find in each other their ideal mate. Walnut wands are
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: often found in the hands of magical innovators and inventors.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: This is a handsome wood possessed of unusual versatility and adaptability.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: A note of caution, however, while some woods are difficult
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: to dominate and may resist the performance of spells that
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: are foreign to their natures, the walnut wand will, once subjugated,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: perform any task its ownered sires, provided that the user
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: is of sufficient brilliance. This makes for a truly lethal
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: weapon in the hands of a witch or wizard of
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: no conscience, for the wand in the wizard may feed
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: from each other in a particularly unhealthy manner. Again that
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: makes sense. And then the core is dragon heart string,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: which uh we nerds for sure, yes, we know from
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: hermione Is description the dragon heart string is the easiest
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: to turn to the dark arts, so that definitely.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: But it's interesting how it says that, you know, if
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: it will kind of like do whatever its owner or
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: you know, commands, if it, you know, shows to be
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: of sufficient brilliance, which we know Hermione you know, comes
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: into possession of that wand later on and definitely follows,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: you know, And I think that's very fitting how she
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: easily just you know, is able to still be very powerful,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: which using that one that she hates, but you know,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: she knows that. It's it's interesting to see how you know,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: she quickly handled it and and yeah, it was. I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: think it's in to point that out.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Also interesting that it's the same core as Hermione's original
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: wand and the dragon Hearts string cor it says, well,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: they can change allegiance if one from their original master,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: they always bond strongly with the current owner. So Bellatrix's wand,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: even though Hermione really didn't like it and didn't want
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: to use it, it had the potential to really bond
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: pretty strongly with her as its current owner.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: M hmm.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: I think that type of its kind of like, I
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: don't know, that's kind of dangerous and a little bit
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: right because it's like, you know, we talk we've talked
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: so much about allegiance and like this sentient nature and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: the wand sometimes you know, maybe even acting as like
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: a bit of a protector for its owner. But to
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: know that you have a wand or a core or
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: a combination of both, that is kind of like, hey,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be the most allegiant to the person
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: who's holding this. Yeah, I think is a very different
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: prospect than like, yeah, if you were, you know, if
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: some random person were to pick up like Harry's wand
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: for instance, I don't think Harry's wand would be as
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: allegiant to some random person as it is to Harry And,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'd be I'd be a little stressed, to know,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: you know, if I had a wand that was like, hey, like,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: I chose you, and I'm loyal to you right now,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: But the second you drop me and forget me and
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: someone else picks it up, then I'm going to switch
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: allegiance of that somebody, right and I may just decide
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: to stay with them.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of toxic. It's a kind of a
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: toxic trait, which.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Again, you know, toxic relationships between the wand and its owner.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So next up we got Flora de la core.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Her wand wood is rosewood. It is not used by Olivander.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Rosewood is a really beautiful wood that can be brought
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: to high polish. It's used in furniture and instrument making.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: It is hardwood too. It has a sweet smell, thus
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: the name of rosewood. And it's core. It's villa hare
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: and actually, yeah, I found this on the wiki that
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: you know, her grandmother donated it for Flora's wand so
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: it's literally, you know, from the family. It's coming directly
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: from because her grandmother was a Villa. So and this
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: core is type. It's not used by Olivander either, because
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: he says it would make the wand temperamental.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was kind of she came up as
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: the example when I was kind of doing the research
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: on like Alvander's craft and kind of and you know,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: he decided, you know, we're going to narrow this down
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: to these three best types. And how you know, I
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: think I had mentioned earlier that before that some of
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: the cores were you know, special, like you could choose whatever,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: or it could be something you inherited or something you
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: know of your family. And floor was the example I
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: saw there and of her core and exactly why. Yeah,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: Olivander was like, no, we're not We're not doing this,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: you know. And I think there's there's also probably that
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: like lack of control a little bit over like how
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: can you just make anything a core? And just like
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's some things that probably don't work as
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: a core, you know, So for you to just say
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna like, I have this sentimental attachment to this,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: so I want it in my wand. I can understand
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: how Alivander was like, no, this isn't how I'm gonna
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: This isn't how I'm going to create my wands. Like
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: we need to have more control over this and have
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: it be more of a science, I think. But yeah,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: definitely interesting to kind of compare just the properties, yeah,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: of her wand who you know was not made by Olivander,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: and you know with those that are, Yeah, but then
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: she's still very powerful witch and her wand works, you know,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: just fine. So clearly Olivander, you know, as purest as
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: he was, you know, clearly it wasn't you know, his
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: way or the highway, Like clearly other things did work,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: and other wand makers were using other things that did
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: work as well.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: He got a wonder too, like maybe that family connection
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: to the villa hair does make it more powerful, whereas
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: if it was just a random villa hair, maybe not
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: so much. But maybe having that connection in it, being
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: her grandmother's is like a family bond and like the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: love magic kind of power a protection.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: For the instant too, like instant allegiance, instant you know, Yes, yeah, yeah, And.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: I wonder if, like, if you had a WAND that
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: did contain something that was sentimental to you, what that
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: allegiance would look like to somebody else, you know, Like
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: it could be something where I could see maybe that
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: hand me down kind of thing where it's like it
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: could have worked like her wand could have worked probably
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: equally well for her and like equally well for like
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: her sister because they have that familiar connection. But if
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: something were to happen, or say she were to like
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know, be in like some kind of duel
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: or something like that and like lose her WAND and
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: someone else where to pick it up, Like, would they
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: ever be able to have the allegiance of that wand
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: or would it just always be erratic and never work
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: right because it is so tied to her. And maybe
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: that's where that temperamental nature comes in that it's like
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: if it's not with that one person, you just don't
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: have control over it.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, our last character Wand unless you are a Patreon supporter,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: which we will have a extended conversation specifically for you,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: but for this episode, this is our last character wand And.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: It is remiss Lupet and Lupin's wand type is cypress.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Cypress wands are associated with nobility. The great medieval wandmaker
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Durant Olivander wrote that he was always honored to match
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: a cypress wand, for he knew he was meeting a
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: witch or wizard who would die a heroic death. Fortunately,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: in these less bloodthirsty times, the possessors of cypress wands
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: are rarely called upon to lay down their lives, though
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: doubtless many of them would do so if required. Wands
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: of Cypress find their soulmates among the brave, the bold,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: and the self sacrificing, those who are unafraid to confront
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: the shadows in their own and others natures, and the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: core is unicorn tail hair. I really love this line
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: about being unafraid to confront the shadows in their own
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: and others' natures, because that's Loopin for sure.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was foreshadowing. No, well not because because he
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: was been he has been very early on. But yeah,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: it's uh, it's kind of like speaking to him too.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also descriptive of tnks, and it does talk
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: here about wands of cypress find their soulmates, and it's
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: you can kind of say, like because he is a
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: cypress wand owner and finds his soulmate and talks and
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: I I think that this description also really describes her.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's an interesting way to look at it,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: because like, see, I would read it as the soulmate
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: of the wand the wand loop and the owner. But yeah,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: the soulmate of Yeah, it could totally be at least
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: for him, at least for him.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I think this one. This
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: one's another one that's kind of like a really spot
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: on description I think of his character and unfortunately as
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: a little like foreshadowing as well, you know of unfortunately
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: his life. Yeah, yeah, no, this is a good one.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, So, as I mentioned, if you would like to
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: hear more about characters and their wand makeups, you should
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: head out over to our Patreon, Patreon dot com slash
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Revellio podcast. We're going to have an extended conversation where
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: we talk about a couple more characters wands over there,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: exclusive for our Patreon members. So now we're going to
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: talk about our wands. So my wand would is Hawthorn
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: and from Olivander's notes, he says the wandmaker greg Goroovich
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: wrote that hawthorne makes a strange, contradictory wand, as full
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: of paradoxes as the tree that gave it birth, whose
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: leaves and blossoms heel, and yet whose cut branches smell
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: of death. I don't know how to feel about that.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: You're saying, I smell okay, thanks Gregor Groovich. Well, I
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: disagree with many of Gregorovic's conclusions. We can cut. We
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: concur about hawthorn wands, which are complex and intriguing in
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: their natures, just like the owners who best suit them.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Hawthorn wands may be particularly suited to healing magic, but
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: they are also adept at curses, and I have generally
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: observed that the hawthorn wand seems most at home with
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: a conflicted nature or with a witcher wizard passing through
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: a period of turmoil. Hawthorn is not easy to master, however,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: and I would only ever consider placing a hawthorn wand
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: in the hands of a witcher wizard of proven talent,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: or the consequences might be dangerous. Hawthorn wands have a
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: notable peculiarity. Their spells can when badly handled, backfire. You
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: have to look out for Now.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: How does that say, Amy, How do you feel about this?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: Do you think that this what is most suited to you?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Apparently I wreak of death. I just can't get over that.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, Alevander disagreed this is true, so maybe maybe
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: that's something that was part of the disagreement.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: I mean I do kind of like the contradictory nature,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: like that can heal but can also hurt. Like I
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: kind of feel like I do have two sides sometimes,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: which actually fun. Fact, back in the day when Universal
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: first well it wasn't really when they first opened, but
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: it was pretty early on the wand was that they
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: had for the interactive non character wands kind of aligned
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: with birth dates. I remember that, and mine was Hawthorne,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: which this feels very much like the Gemini of wand Woods,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: the two sides, the conflicting characters. And when I got
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: chosen in Olivanders at the experience for the first time,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: it was my first time at Universal, they chose me,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: which was pretty cool. The wand that chose me was
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: the Hawthorne want, so it was kind of fun because
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: they would work it into their presentation, they'd somehow figure
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: out your birthday and I don't even remember what questions
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: they asked, but they got there. So my Hawthorne wand
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: at Universal Olivander's my wand at Universal Alvanders is Hawthorne,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: and my Bottomore wand was awthorn. So I thought that
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: was kind of cool of it. They both have awthorn.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so my core is unicorn hair. Uh yeah,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that says about me. And then
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: my other characteristics. The length I believe is like ten
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: and something inches I don't remember exact. And then it's
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: on bending flexibility, which I don't know. I feel like
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: I've like I I do change my opinion on things,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: like I have been known to grow and change over time.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: But I do think once I strongly believe something, I
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: very much latch onto it. And so I could see
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: the unbending flexibility because like I'm like, no, this is
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: what I think, this is what I believe. So yeah,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: I think they've accurately summed me up here. Yeah, how right,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: how I feel about it. It's a different story, but
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm honest, I'll accept it.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, So my wand my wand would is sycamore U sycamore.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Sycamore makes a questing wand, eager for new experience and
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: loosing brilliance if engaged in mundane activities. It is a
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: quirk of these handsome wands that they may combust if
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: allowed to become bored. And many witches and wizards settling
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: down into middle age are disconcerted to find that their
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: trusty wand bursting into flame in their hand as they
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: ask it one more time to fetch their slippers.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: That I'm taketuring middle aged Tom now trying to summon.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: His slippers, listen to me, We'll just burst may as
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: may be deduced the sycamore's ideal owner. It is curious, vital,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: and adventurous, and when paired with such an owner, it
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: demonstrates a capacity to learn and adapt that earns it
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: a rightful place among the world's most highly prized. One
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: woulds yeah, it's corus phoenix, and yeah again like I
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: think mine is also twelve Mine is twelve inches something,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: so it's kind of long around cirt thirty centimeters for
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: those who for those who don't handle inches. So this
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: wand really speaks to me somehow, I feel like I'm
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: very adventurous. I'm always looking for new things. I'm always
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: looking for inspirations, stimulations, activities. And I also feel like
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: I adapt very well to new circumstances and new environments,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: whether that's work or whether it's just life in general.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I also feel like I was also very
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: intrigued by the fact that my want has unbending flexibility,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: that it's rigid, because I also think it speaks more
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: of that, you know, to my you know, uptide and
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: worrying part and overthinking too much about things.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: I just remember this Taylor Swift interview. They ask her,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: are you a warrior? And She's like, yes, I worry
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: about everything all the time. And I'm like, yes, yes,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: that's me.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: That's me, you know.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: I'm worrying about everything, always always thinking. And I'm also
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: very reluctant when change is forced upon me or when
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: it's thrown upon me. Like whenever something happens that it's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: external to me and that it's out of my control,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: I'm very reluctant to it, and I don't react in
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: the best way possible. So I love how this, you know,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: these two things like a little bit you know, echoing
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: on what you said, I mean earlier. It's kind of
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: like this. These features depict this duality that I have.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: So it's one side of me is very adventure, very artistic,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: is very you know, spontaneous too whenever I'm in control
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: of something. But at the same time, I have this
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: other side of me, which can be you know play,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: you know, very played by the rules, you know, intellectual.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: Very Yeah, like just having these two sites that I
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: relate to so much. So I really like this this
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: you know, this comparison between the flexibility of my wand
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: and the you know, the the general characteristics of the wood.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: I thought it was yeah, revealing some ways.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've really enjoyed that all of our wand woods
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: are different than any of the ones that we discussed
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: on the characters.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: Really well, it makes us so special.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: So yeah, So my wood is ash And. Olivanders says
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: that the ash Wand cleave to its one true master
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: and ought not to be passed on or gifted from
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: the original owner because it will lose power and skill.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: This tendency is extreme if the core is of Unicorn.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: Old superstitions regarding wands rarely bear close examination, but I
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: find that the old rhyme regarding rawin, chestnut ash and
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: hazel wands that rawan gossips chestnut drones ashes, stubborn hazel
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: moans contains a small nugget of truth. Those witches and
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: wizards best suited to ashwans are not, in my experience,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: lightly swayed from their beliefs or purposes. However, the brash
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: or overconfident witch or wizard who often insists on trying
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: wands of this prestigious wood will be disappointed by its effects.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: The ideal owner may be stubborn and will certainly be courageous,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: but never crass or arrogant. And my core is dragon heartstring.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Did we all have different cores too? Yeah?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah we did.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: We all we each got.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And as I mentioned, perfect, it's great. And yeah,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: my my wand I mentioned earlier is quite long. It's
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: twelve and three quarters I believe inches. And it's an
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: unyielding flexibility.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Look at us all stuck in our ways.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and there's something about this, I mean,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: there's something about the world the word on yielding that
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: I'm just like it sounds powerful. I mean, I don't
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: know how I feel about this. I feel like Olivander
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: just really calls Ash Wand owners stubborn. It comes up
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: a lot, and like, I mean maybe those closest to me,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: like would call me stubborn, but like, I don't know
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: if i'd call myself stubborn.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I think that, like.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: Looking at the description, I really love that this WAND
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: type is one that seems to be very loyal to
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: its true master. I think I haven't really thought about
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: that much until this episode, because we've talked about that
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: a couple of times, but I think it's kind of
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: come out a little bit that I really like the
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: allegiance piece of a wand And.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: So I really, yeah.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: I really enjoy that this seems to be a WAND
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: type that is that is loyal in that way. But yeah,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: other than that, I'm not sure. Definitely, reading through some descriptions,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: like it's funny as you were kind of talking through yours, Tom,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: because I was like, you're basically describing me as a person.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, man, maybe I have the wrong WAND
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: type here. I might be a Sycamord type of person.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: But I'm okay with that.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that you're lightly from your
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: beliefs or purposes though, So that's pretty accurate that.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say that's the one line where
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: I kind of like when I was like first reading
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: through this that I was kind of like, yeah, I
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: could see how that could fit. And I think pairs
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: like very well with like an unyielding flexibility for sure.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I'm hung up on all the
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: talk of like being stubborn because I think even with
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: I think that you can be unyielding and you in
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: your flexibility, and you can also be lightly swayed from
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: your beliefs and also not be stubborn, where it seems
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: like in this description it's kind of saying like you're
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: stubborn because you're lightly swayed from your beliefs. Like it's
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: really pairing those two things together, and I think that
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: they don't have to be, you know, mutually exclusive. But
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: at the same time, like I guess like if you
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: really look at like the definition of like being stubborn,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: like I am sometimes like determined to do what I want,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: but I don't know if it's necessarily in a stubborn way,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: like I'm not going to like break the rules to
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: be stubborn, you know, or you know I am. It's
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: like all kind of starting to like piece together a
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: little bit. But I don't feel like I'm not super
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: unflexible either.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, Nicole, I'm thinking about when you decorate for
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: a holiday and your aunt tries to help you, but
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: you have very specific places where everything has to go
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: over a year.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: And yes, and then well, okay, so a little bit
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: about me. Okay, maybe I am a little stubborn. I
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: think maybe I'm thinking stubborn in like a.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: Very negative way.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: Might be something good.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I would say particular, particular. Yes,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: that's the word I was thinking. I think I can
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: be much. I can be very particular, and I am
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: somebody like if like, right now, I have a ton
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: of Halloween decorations around my apartment, and if someone were
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: to come in my apartment and like, you know how
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: some people like to touch things, like they just like
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: to you know, touch and move things around. So if
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: you're that kind of person and you were to come
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: into my apartment right now and kind of just like
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: touch the Halloween decorations and stuff, like, I would know
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: immediately and the second you walk out of my apartment.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: I'm shifting it back. So that's kind of what Amy's
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: referring to of like, like I like to like I
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: kind of go all out for Halloween and for Christmas.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: So yeah, So I have one of my aunts who
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: will sometimes come over and help, and she's got a
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: very like design designer interior designer eye, like super super great.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: But yes, I mean there are things that after she leaves,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: I will move and take away and replace. And she
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: knows this, she's putting stuff out. She'll be like, you'll
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: probably move this later, and I'm like, yeah, you're probably right,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: and I do so, Okay, you might be right. You
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: might be right. So I think, yeah, I think the
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: word stubborn just has such a negative connotation. Yeah, but
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: it could definitely be applied to certain things in my life. Yeah, Okay.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: I also think about like when I'm traveling and I
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: go on certain like vacations and stuff like that, Like
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: you know, a solo trip works really well for me
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: because I don't have to uh, I don't have to
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: have any kind of concession kind of just.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: Do what I want when I want.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: But the thing is not that I can't make the concession.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, it's just I guess it's
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: more about like what the preference is and not necessarily
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: saying that you will or you will not do this,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: but maybe your preference is to have something in a
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: particular way, So okay, I could see maybe this being
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: an okay Wand for me, I think I do think
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: that the core is pretty matched for me, though, I
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: think I would love a Phoenix core though, just because
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: I really like having like those rare kind of things.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: So little envious of you, Tom, but I think if
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: it's not going to be Phoenix, I definitely like the
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: dragon heart string core one because I also just really
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: like dragons, so I love that. I think that the
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: dragon heart string kind of paired with the ash wand
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: seems like a very good pairing because it's like that
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: you've got the you know, the heart string. Dragon heartstring
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: produces the most power kind of paired with like one
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: of the most allegiant woods, and so it's not going
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: to be like power gone rogue kind of kind of
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: and you know, but I think it's interesting to conversely,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: is was it. I think it was the dragon heart
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: strings that you know, if they change allegiance, they bond
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: stronger with the current owner, but kind of is a
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: nice juxtaposition with being in an ash wand that is like, hey, no,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty loyal to my owner.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Great. Well, that wraps up our main discussion, which there
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: was a lot to unpack there, so really fascinating stuff. Again,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: you can check out more on those wand lore chapters
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: in gosh, what's the name of the book.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: Again, wizard Archive, I'm sorry, from the Wizarding.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: Archive there it is, yes, so check that out.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: Specialiservillio.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: So in this segment we are going to take a
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: look at the etymology behind Olivander's name. So Olivander's full
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: name is Garrick Olivander, and according to JK. Rowlings writings,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: Olivander is of Mediterranean origin and translates to he who
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: owns the Olive Wand. So pretty sure this name is
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: like entirely invented by Rolling, since any searches of the
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: surname just circle back to Harry Potter. But interestingly enough,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: the pieces of the Oliveanders surname do roughly translate to
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: very similar things to he who owns the olive Wand,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: so Oliva or Aliva is Latin for olive tree, and
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I said that wrong.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: It's good in Spanish.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Sure, we'll go with it. It sounds right.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: I am not learned in Latins, so I can help
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: you there.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: And Oliver is an English name meaning olive tree or
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: olive tree planter, so you can see the all tree
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: olive tree planter relates to wood wands. It kind of
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: makes sense he who owns the olive wand olive tree. Yeah,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: olive trees and branches are associated with peacemaking. So you know,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: we've heard extending the olive branch, right, so there's that
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: aspect as well, which branches also wand comes to mind
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: when I think handing over a branch and it's in
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: your hand, it looks like a Wand the second half
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: of the Olivander surname Ander is of Basque, Greek or
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: Scandinavian origin and means man. And Garrick is an Old
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: English name meaning he with a spear or ruler with
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: a spear, which, again, a spear could be a wand right,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: not only in shape, you know, stick like whatever, but
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: wands and spears can both be weapons. Yeah, So that's
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: just a little bit of the background of Olivander's name.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: So he's basically an olive tree man.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, he is the olive tree Man. And funnily enough,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: Olivander does not use olive tree wood to make wands.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: Well, And I think I mentioned that earlier in the
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: wand chapter because olive trees are not native in the UK,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: and so that was where it's like that thought that
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: they came from the Mediterranean, as you mentioned, since there's
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: olive trees there, so it would kind of make sense
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: because he wouldn't be able to find that type of
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: tree in the UK.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: So maybe his ancestors when they started their business, maybe
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: you know, they were the olive tree men and they
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: had the olive tree and they're like, we're gonna use
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: this and we're gonna make once. Yeah, things evolved from there,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: who knows.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: Very cool. But I think even like just this breaking
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: down of names is like always really interesting and just
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: how much thought goes into the creation of these character
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: names and I could never do it and put this
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: must research into it, and yeah, I think agreed, probably
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: definitely purely invented, you know by JK. Rowling. And in
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: a way that's nice too, because it's like it's not
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: a common surname. It's very much tied to Harry Potter.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: Anyone who hears that name. I think it's become very
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: synonymous with the Wizarding World, even if you haven't read
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: the books yourself. You know, people, it's like it's like
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: we were talking I think in an earlier opposode about
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: like you know, the word li quidditch and muggle, Like
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: you don't have to be in try in this world
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: to know what that means or what is referring to.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: And I think it just speaks to the power of
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: using this type of research to create your character names
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: and just making them much more iconic, you know, than
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: naming your character like John Smith looking at you Pokehonta's like,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: you know, but it's just well he's based on like
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: a real person, so that was his name.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: What do you say, poor guy?
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and it's like and he.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: Was a real person. So I guess that wasn't the
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: best example, but it's the firs came in my mind.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: But thinking of a character, yeah, you could name your character, right,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: yeah right, So it's like, yeah, I mean it's hard
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: to make all these character names. At some point you
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: gotta just throw out an easy one.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, so nise.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: Okay. So last week we asked our listeners to share
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: their favorite McGonagall moment in honor of Maggie Smith, and
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: so we wanted to share some of the responses that
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: we got to that question. So Jerry C. Says, I
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: loved Maggie Smith's portrayal of Professor McGonagall, and I loved
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: the character as created in the books. Like just about
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: all of the book characters transferred to screen, the scripts
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: and directors didn't give her enough screen time to fully
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: show her at her best. It is difficult to pick favorites,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: as you showed in episode three, but I loved all
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: of her interactions with Umbrage and Order of the Phoenix,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: both in the book and on screen. My favorite unique
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: to the movies scene is that favorite of so many,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: her dance with Ron and teaching dancing before the mule ball,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: and Felicia said, may I offer you a cough drop,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: Dolores my SaaS idol And I think the theme here
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: too is like we all just really love McGonagall and
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: Umbradges interactions. For sure, that seems to be such a
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: favorite for so many people. And Carolyn said, the transfiguration
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: scene from the first movie, actually most of her scenes
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: in the first movie. It sets the tone, and I
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: remember thinking how perfectly cast Maggie Smith was, and I agree, Carolyn,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: I think just thinking of I mean, right at the beginning,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: you know, when we're introduced to Dumbledore in McGonagall, they're
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: our first introduction of the Wizarding World, and we start
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: with McGonagall transfiguring you know, out of her Animega's form,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: and it just it really sets the tone for like
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: what the story that we're about to delve into, and
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: the two of them just being like those first the
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: first we see of the Wizarding World, and.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the first glimpse into them into magic.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's not just that we saw these witches
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  Speaker 3: and wizards dressed in their bizarre robes and you know everything,
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  Speaker 3: like they mentioned kind of in that first chapter, we
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  Speaker 3: get to see a form of magic and a rare
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  Speaker 3: form of magic really, you know, right off the bat, advanced,
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  Speaker 3: and it really sets the stage of like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just yeah, who McGonagall is.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and a form of magic we don't
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  Speaker 1: even learn about until too books later.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I love stuff like that because then you think
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  Speaker 3: back and you're like, oh, that's what that was. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I love those little like easter eggs that you get
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  Speaker 3: in earlier books. But yeah, so thank you to everyone
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  Speaker 3: who was sent in listener. You know, blah blah blah
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  Speaker 3: bit was doing so well, so well I started that again,
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  Speaker 3: So thank you to everyone who sent in their favorite
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  Speaker 3: meganical moment.
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  Speaker 2: So moving on to our discussion question. We've been discussing
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  Speaker 2: about wands and their cores and you know how they
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  Speaker 2: reflect characters, traits and personalities. So now we would like
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  Speaker 2: to ask you what do you think your wand would
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  Speaker 2: and core says about you. We would love to hear
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  Speaker 1: All right, this was a fun one. I love talking
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  Speaker 1: about stuff like that that you can really like delve
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  Speaker 1: in and analyze and theorize it's just like old times.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's like it's one of those topics that
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  Speaker 3: I think, like until you sit down and like really
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  Speaker 3: think about it and talk about it, you don't realize
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  Speaker 3: how interconnected it all is and how much thought really
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  Speaker 3: went into developing all these wand woods and how they
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  Speaker 3: tied to the characters. And I'd love to know, like
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  Speaker 3: with some of them, what came first the chicken or
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  Speaker 3: the egg, Like did the one idea for the wand
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  Speaker 3: would come and inform the character or did the character
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  Speaker 3: come first that informed the wand would So definitely really interesting,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm going to put in like one last plug
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  Speaker 3: for definitely checking out those additional writings from JK. Rowling,
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  Speaker 3: whether you read them on you know, Wizardworld dot com
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: or you pick up the audiobook you know, or the
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  Speaker 3: ebook of from the Wizarding Archive, because if you like
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  Speaker 3: topics like this and delving into those, you know, beyond
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  Speaker 3: the books, you know, those are just great pieces, and
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: especially the way they're curated in these more collection formats
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  Speaker 3: are just really great. And obviously that chapter expands on
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  Speaker 3: a lot more than we had time, you know, to
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  Speaker 3: talk about tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely so until next time, I'm Amy
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nicole, and Tom misamised