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What Does it Take to be an Elevator Constructor? | Ryan Schuett · The Elevator Careers Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: If you are passionate about something, how passionate are you?
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  SPEAKER_02: Are you going to be the person that takes wiring diagrams home?
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like how dedicated to an industry are you?
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  SPEAKER_02: And it doesn't have to be the elevator trade.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have candidates that come from all walks of life that come through our doors.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_02: And usually the ones that are successful have that positive mental attitude, but also those that know what they're signing up for, at least to some extent.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: And there are some great resources that are out there.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: Elevator info is a great resource to find out about the elevator trade.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_02: But if you come through the doors and someone asks you, why do you want to do this and you don't have a great response?
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_02: That can be telling.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: There are going to be times where not only are you going to be tested, there are going to be times you might want to give up.
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  SPEAKER_02: When that happens, what do you do?
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  SPEAKER_01: In this conversation, Ryan Shuett and I discussed his role as the business manager of the International Union of Elevator Constructors Local 31 in Houston, Texas.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: Ryan addresses the significance of mentorship, the challenges of recruiting, and the importance of perseverance.
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  SPEAKER_01: We also discussed his own journey as a first-generation elevator constructor, and he offers his advice for aspiring elevator constructors.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: Ryan, welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hi, thanks for having me.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm excited.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was it was great to meet you in person at the NAEC Expo in Houston.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm excited to be able to have this follow-up conversation and obviously talk a little bit more about you, your career, and even your role as the uh remind me the title of uh Business Manager, Financial Secretary of the International Union of Elevator Constructors, Local 31.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a mouthful.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect, perfect.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I probably would have messed something up there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So thank you for just saying that.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so let's let's talk a little bit about, you know, you mentioned to me that you're uh like a first generation elevator constructor, not one from one of the multi-generational families.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: How did you find your way into the trade and what made you decide not just to join, but like to serve in almost every single capacity?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you you you dove in deep when you dove in.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it sounds complex, but it's really not all that complex.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: First of all, a lot of the folks that are in the elevator trade, you know someone, right?
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_02: Or you are fascinated by the subject matter.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I had my best friend growing up, his family was involved in the elevator trade.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I can remember I was working as a pipe fitter and I was working out of town a lot, and I had just started a family.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_02: And with family comes large changes.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: And one of those is I wanted to be home a little bit more because I had been traveling, doing pipeline work, and working as a pipe fitter.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I can remember sitting down with my best friend's cousin, and he showed me his union card, and it broke down all the wages and benefits, and I can remember thinking this was not real, right?
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_02: Someone doesn't actually get paid this, or you know, what's the catch?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: The old bait and switch.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_02: And he told me about a recruitment that was going to be upcoming and to make sure that I was there.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_02: That process has changed a lot over the years, but you used to show up, and then there was one day, and they would take applications for one day at different periods of time.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_02: And so I showed up and I just started as an elevator constructor.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: Part of that is the curiosity, and I found a home and stuck with it.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I also believe in the preservation of an opportunity.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_02: So that's my story, but I want to protect that opportunity for whom comes next.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_02: Because I don't view myself as any different than anyone else, not special in any way.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just really stubborn, right?
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: So that just means uh I'm not great at taking no for an answer.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I can deal with, but no, I have a problem with.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_02: And just constantly staying through that process and preserving that opportunity for the next generation of folks that come in.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe their recruitment process changes, but they come in and I see the same person that I was 17 years ago and change.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: Just looking for an opportunity.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: So is that kind of what motivated you to volunteer and to show up to meetings?
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, I don't imagine every person shows up to every meeting, right?
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: So so you you obviously displayed a little bit extra either curiosity or or just purpose in, hey, I want to I want to make this work.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: So it depends on the individual.
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  SPEAKER_02: So not everyone makes every meeting.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: However, if this is something that you're passionate about and something that you want to leave for future generations, I think one of the most beautiful things about the elevator trade or about the IUEC is that it is a generational trade.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: So you will have second and third and fourth generation elevator constructors come through not just our recruitment process, but become those folks in the field that you really rely on that come from what we'd call elevator stock, very strong elevator stock.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_02: And they carry that trade forward.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: So for me, not coming from one of those families, I looked at it like, hey, this is an opportunity I want my son to have.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or someone that was in the same situation as I was, that had a young family and was looking for an opportunity and uh a way to make their way in the world.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: And there's so much opportunity and success that comes within being an elevator constructor.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: So I feel like you have to leave something better than how you found it.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_02: I was born and raised that way.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it was some of the best advice from my grandfather was save your money.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_02: And if you borrow something from someone, when you give it back, it needs to be in as good of, if not better, shape than when you found it.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_02: And so I've let that be a driving force in a lot of the things that I've done up until this point.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, because it is really just that.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's an opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be what the individual makes of it.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: And so for me personally, I just wanted to make sure that at all times I never lost sight of that vision and said, Is it better today than it was yesterday?
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: And if somebody needs to step up, doesn't mean that it has to be me or that it needs to be me, but it does mean that the work has to get done.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just that work ethic, just like you would use on the job side.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody needs to sweep up the floor.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: At no point in time do you uh rise to a point where that work stops needing to be done.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, and and hearing you say that, like leave it better than you found it, right?
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: Was something my my old scout master used to drive home with me, right?
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: Rather than tear up this campsite or this, you know, a forest here, leave it so somebody else can enjoy it.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: And like you say, if you make leave it better or or grow it bigger, right, there's there's more to go around.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, whether it's your son or or somebody else's son, they or daughter, right?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: They can they can choose to to uh take advantage of that.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um awesome.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, a lot of people picture union elevator mechanics with tools in their hands not sitting in an office.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm, you know, as a business manager and financial secretary for, I think you said 600 plus member local.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: What does your job look like day to day and what do members often not realize that you're handling behind the scenes?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: So some of that is administrative.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: But when it comes to finances or running the local on a day-to-day business, there's a labor relations piece of it, there's contract enforcement piece of it, there's a disciplinary piece of it, there's putting members to work, and a lot of that's a team you build as well.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: So in any organization is only as good as the team that you build, and we have an amazing team here, so there's a lot of work that goes around for everyone, from myself and our business representative and our office manager as well.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: But if it affects 650 members, chances are it crosses this desk at some point in time or another.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: And a portion of that is job type visits as well.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there's safety enforcement, and there are a lot of individual pieces that all get put together, and it just keeps us working and it keeps us moving, moving forward.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: And some of it is also political.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: Good pattern, different politics are in the business of unions and elevator constructors, specifically in Texas.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: We have licensing that we're working on in Texas because we don't have it yet.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: Because if you go to a salon in Texas, that person has a cosmetology license.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you are an elevator constructor in Texas, and you're moving, you're working on elevators, escalators, moving walks, conveyance systems of all types.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: There's not a certification that is recognized through TDLR, which is the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation, to be an elevator constructor.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_02: So uh it's there's always something new that happens every day, but you definitely miss it.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: There's a part of you that will always be in the field.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: And turns out working with your hands and working on an inanimate object is sometimes a little bit easier than personalities, right?
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: I can fix an elevator, right?
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I know.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, I'm I want to talk about this a little bit too.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if someone's listening and saying, hey, I want to be an IUEC elevator constructor, what's the kind of the real step-by-step path that you know, the decision to actually starting as an apprentice?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Can you walk us through some of that?
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, the NEEP, some of the testing, interview some of that.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: So NEEP is the National Elevator Industry Education Program.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you can visit them at NEIEP.org.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: And so any recruitment that is going on throughout the nation, and this is not unique to Houston.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: If you scroll on that website, there will be a map of the United States, and you can hover over each individual local and it will tell you when there is a recruitment that's going to be happening in that area.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: You can sign up for updates there.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: And what that does is that's going to update you as that recruitment that you're signing up for is going to be open.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: So the Department of Labor says that a maximum of every 24 months that we have to hold a recruitment for each individual local.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you will apply there, uh, go through all of your application process.
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  SPEAKER_02: The next step is you will come in and you will take an assessment, you will take a test.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then the next portion of that is there's a panel interview.
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  SPEAKER_02: Then finally you will be a ranked applicant, and as available, companies will call needing help.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: And if we don't have anyone to refer out, then we will go to that list and then we just start from number one and go all the way down from there.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: So what happens if if uh you know we we talked about this last time, right?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: Hurricane comes through, tears up a bunch of work, and and you need people quickly.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: Do you do you still advertise it, but but you have to give a certain amount of time, or what does that look like?
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: So there is a time frame that's attached to it, but because we are an international union, that also means that we do have folks all over.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: So there are different locals in Texas, from Dallas, Fort Worth to Austin, Texas, El Paso, and Albuquerque, New Mexico, San Antonio, and in Houston.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: So if we need help, we can always pick up the phone and we can call our brothers and sisters in Dallas and see if anyone is looking to make a move or temporarily transfer down here as a transient.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then that will help us kind of make ends meet as far as labor is concerned, temporarily while we work on permanent solutions.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_02: So one of the things that comes along with growth, and one of the challenges that comes along with growth is because we have a limited amount of time to get you a qualified elevator mechanic.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: And because our apprenticeship program is closer to five years than it is four years, you have eight unique semesters, and then you have a cumulative exam that is called a mechanics exam.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: That means that at least four and a half to five years it's going to take us to be able to give you a mechanic.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_02: If you need one today and we don't have any available, the easiest way is to have someone transfer in from another place.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: But uh there are provisions as well for us to have some temporary solutions.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: But long-term, growth is always a challenge.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: But that's when the cream rises to the top.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: For sure, for sure.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: So so regardless, I mean, without any kind of hurricane or or massive, I'm sure you've seen economic growth and all kinds of reasons why you may need to do recruitments more frequently.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to do one at least every 24 months, but it's it's probably more frequent.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm assuming it's six months, a year.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: How how does that trend for you?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: It can be.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: It just is based on as the work prescribes.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: So if we're building buildings, if you're driving around your city and you see tower cranes, that means elevator constructors are working.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: So if there's a hurricane or a flood or something happens specifically city center, think of elevators of where growth is.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of growth is in downtown Houston for us.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: The medical center, the galleria, the energy corridor, the airports infrastructure is very big for elevator constructors as well.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: So as all of those projects are kicking off, that means that we're going to have a lot of folks starting to go to work.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: So if we go through, let's say 800 new applicants in the course of a year, and that means we're going to need to do another recruitment sooner than that 24 months.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: Now the opposite could also be true if it's very slow.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: So when I got in, it was in 2008.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: And so in Houston, we still had a work boom because of Hurricane Ike, but then later, as the Great Recession started to affect Houston, there were a lot of folks that were looking for work.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: So we had a boom and bust within my first five years of the business.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Which is always challenging.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they're transferring to different cities or or may have to leave the trade, I guess, if there's not enough work long enough and they can't can't cover their bills.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned hundreds of applicants a minute ago.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you had said in a previous conversation that sometimes even with hundreds of applications, you may only get like 10% who actually make it through.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm curious, where do the people know the big drop-offs come?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: That comes from the very beginning.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: So someone might speak for an application, but not fill out that application or not complete uploading all their documentation.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: So you're going to lose some then.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_02: Some won't make it past the assessment.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then later on, let's say someone is referred out to a company and goes to work, they may find out that this is not really what they thought it was going to be.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we do have of all the building and construction trades, we have the strongest markets here, in addition to a total package that is second to none.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: So some will come here attracted to those wages and benefits, but not always the reality of the day-to-day being an elevator constructor on the job or a modernization project, a new installation project where it's really hot, it's loud, it's dirty, and you're expected to learn very quickly.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: So there are certain challenges that come along with that as well.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not necessarily for everyone.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: Now that top 10% is usually someone that's going to be passionate about the industry.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: So one of the beautiful things about the elevator trade in and of itself is because we do have people that are a lot more passionate about what they do because they have truly earned that opportunity by going through that entire process.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not something typically that people take for granted, but also because they have taken so long to become an elevator constructor, you hold on to it a little bit tighter.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I think so.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, certainly going through the process and again, if you got the passion, you're gonna you're gonna stick with it.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I know a lot of people have uh moved to different locations or you know, and I know that, you know, even during uh COVID, because you know, I was I was still recruiting elevator people, and I was I was amazed, even though there wasn't maybe a lot of construction, there were a lot of mods going on.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, oh, hey, this building's empty, let's let's spend some money and and modernize these elevators and obviously service, right?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta have the the elevators in the hospital going up and down, you know, especially during those times.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh it seemed like it actually was a really good time for a lot of elevator companies because a lot of a lot of mod work, a lot of you know, service work's not slowing down, and um had a an opportunity to just keep going.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, one of the challenges for sure in modernization, especially, is you have an occupied building and it's noisy inherently.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: Once you're modernizing something, or if you're tearing machines out and you're doing extensive work, rarely is it quiet.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: In a class A building, if somebody's paying the type of money that it takes to have a business in a Class A building, chances are not only are you proud of that, but there's an expectation for it to be as quiet as you need it to be when you're in board room meetings or you're doing your day-to-day business.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: So it is the perfect storm in a certain way, but it's also very positive.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody was going to do a mod, next thing you know, you have a relatively empty building, and noise is less of a concern at that point.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and uh either that or you're working over the weekends or you're working at night, and I mean I guess it depends on how how important it is for them to to have that work done and to keep the place quiet, right?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and you've you you know you've talked a little bit about some of the the booms, the busts, the hurricanes, uh, you know, a lot of recruitment.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um how do those situations, and you've kind of spoken to this, play out for the for the local.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, um do you have a a story where you felt like you kind of doing what you had to to survive?
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just curious, like what was one of the most difficult times you've been through and and what did that look like?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: So one of the things that happened when I was young in the train was after Hurricane Ike, the bottom fell out in Houston, and there was not a lot of work throughout the country.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: So at that point, we had over 150 on our open employment list, and you had folks choosing early retirement rather than being laid off for a long period of time.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: And at that point, it seemed like there was not a lot of hope about when things may turn around.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of folks ended up leaving the trade, but what it did was it brought a lot of people together as well.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: So, in the face of adversity, you got to recognize our strength and how we take care of one another.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: And that's not always within the elevator trade for the folks that left and went on for another opportunity.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes if they saw somebody else falling and in the same situation that they were, they said, Hey, here's some other opportunities that are out there.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so we still have that tendency to take care of one another.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: And that's one of the beautiful things.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: So in the face of adversity, I really think that that makes us stronger as a whole.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_02: And similar things happened during COVID-19.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: There were a lot of folks that were on furlough, and I believe that we're stronger today because of it.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's and honestly, I see that playing out.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, just I'm talking to elevator people every single day of the week, and and you know, just just hearing kind of the brotherhood, the camaraderie, and and it's not, you know, it doesn't have to be a COVID, and it doesn't have to be, you know, some some major crisis, but sometimes it's just like, hey, I don't know how to troubleshoot this machine, but I know somebody who does, and we worked together 20 years ago, and I still got his phone number.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: And and so just having that collaboration that has always amazed me.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's always just been, wow, that's that's really special that that that brotherhood, sisterhood, you know, community exists.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: And uh what's interesting is I have now traveled and seen folks throughout the nation, and it feels like we're all the same.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: Once you choose this path, uh career path, and you become an elevator constructor, you find like-minded folks.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: And although we're from Houston and we have a certain swagger from Houston, but you go other places and you realize that although some of the smaller issues may change, that we're all actually very similar and we're we're connected by this thing that is larger than us.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: So on a local level, November 1st, we actually just celebrated 115 years.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: So November 1st of 1910 is when IUBC Local 31 was founded.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: And so you go around the country and you say, This is this.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Belongs to us only for a short period of time.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's going to be here long after we're gone.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: So we're just stewards of it for a short period.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: And it's great to find like-minded folks anywhere that that believe in that same mission.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's funny you mentioned that just because uh like we were talking before, yeah, you know, it's like it gets in your blood, right?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: And and when you get elevator people, you know, they may be on vacation together, right?
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: But they're still talking shop.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: So uh for for the member, for the individual that's in the elevator trade, that sounds good.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: But uh sometimes for the folks around them, especially on vacation, uh, is there ever a time where you can take a break and step away from it?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: But to your point, it does feel like it gets in your blood.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not just what we do, it becomes who we are.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: And so there's a this is just a great trade filled with so many amazing people that we all have that thing in common.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: So um you actually find over time that this is what your friends do, this is what your family does.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: And maybe that's a form of insanity, right?
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: And and maybe from the the spouse's perspective, it's like, oh my gosh, right?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Can we take a break, right?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, uh, most things that folks are passionate about, uh, if you find that your life slowly begins to look a lot more like that thing that you're passionate about, when that happens to be.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very true, very true.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and speaking of that passion and and how your life, you know, looks around, you know, we we talked about kind of a brain drain, as it were, where you're losing people, you know, to retirement or, you know, obviously a lot of baby boomers with 40, 50, you know, I've met folks with even more than 50 years of experience.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: And how is that changing the trade in Houston?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: And what kind of opportunities does that create for the next generation?
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: So what's interesting is we can always look at the downside of that.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: And we can say you're not just losing an individual, you're losing a role depth of knowledge.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: You're sure someone with that type of experience, you can't replace.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Now, to your point, what's beautiful about the elevator trade is that more elevators are fixed in a parking lot than they're ever fixed in a machine room.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: So you have those those guiding voices and those mentors that will teach you everything that they know to be able to pass it down, which is the beauty of an apprenticeship program as well.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: Because not only are you out there, you're it's not like the Wild West, you have somebody that you work with on a daily basis that's gonna guide you through not just fixing elevators or modernization or escalators.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: They're going to teach you how to become a good elevator constructor and also a good person.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because that at the end of the day, being an elevator constructor, that's what we do.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: But who we are is someone that is trying to pass on knowledge to the next generation.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so those mentors, they still stay mentors even after they're gone.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: So they still will pick up the phone.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: However, usually when we call them, we try to be respectful and say, hey, we just appreciate your time that you held on to the trade.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: And hopefully you've gotten enough of that mentorship from them to be able to gain some of that knowledge.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then the second part of that is there's no time like the present for elevator constructors because of that.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: So in Houston, we had a big boom that was in the early 80s, and so a lot of those folks are enjoying a well-deserved retirement.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so now we have all these opportunities that uh individuals are gonna move our trade forward and our local forward, some of that with the knowledge that's passed down to them, but it's also gonna revolutionize the way that we do business.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a very exciting time to be in the Hellbert Constructor because there are opportunities that abound.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I would think so.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and and I don't know how it compares per se the big boom to, you know, you get a massive retirement.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's almost like the same thing.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: We have a bunch of needs.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: We need to fill, fill them with people, and we need to ramp those people up as fast as possible.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's what the, you know, kind of like you've said, the apprenticeship program is really designed to allow you to drink out of the fire hose and learn as quickly as possible and have every opportunity to learn, not just in because you're getting books and classwork, but you're also getting on getting all the hands-on, right?
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like if you can learn it faster, we're gonna find a way to, you know, get it in there.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the challenges that comes with that speed is you can do 10 tasks at 10% each or one at 100.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: So the more distracted you are by all of the other things that you have going on, the less focus you have on the task at hand.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: And so uh because of safety, that's one of the most dangerous times for an elevator constructor is once you start uh to want to take a shortcut.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: Not even that you do take a shortcut, but there's a temptation there because you want to speed the process along.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, some of those other things can fall by the wayside.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: So uh there's an inherent risk that comes with rapid growth.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for mentioning that.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm, you know, obviously safety has to be number one.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: And you you've talked about that before, just that you know, we want to make sure everybody arrives home safely and in the same shape at which uh they that they came to work in the morning.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: We want to make sure they can get home.
• 27:37
  unknown: Right.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: We're here for a better life, not a shorter one.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Love that.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's let's talk a little bit more about um recruiting for just a minute.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, let's say we've got two candidates with some basic qualifications as of today, Riv.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: What what really makes one stand out to you, both in terms of hard skills like welding or OSHA and the soft skills like communication, customer service?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: So to be successful in the elevator trade, there's not a perfect formula.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: However, some things that would be helpful.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: One is how you present yourself.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because you are going to be challenged.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone that goes through a recruitment and becomes an elevator constructor or works as an apprentice for any period of time is going to be tested on the job.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: Some of that is patience.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: I would say curiosity goes a very long way.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: So someone who is intellectually curious will never stop learning.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: You want someone that is going to consistently and constantly better themselves.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: If you are passionate about something, how passionate are you?
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: Are you going to be the person that takes wiring diagrams home?
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: Are you going to be studious?
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: There's other things.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, OSHA 10.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like how dedicated to an industry are you?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: And it doesn't have to be the elevator trade.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: We have candidates that come from all walks of life that come through our doors.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: And usually the ones that are successful have that positive mental attitude, but also those that know what they're signing up for, at least to some extent.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: And there are some great resources that are out there.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, elevator info is a great resource to find out about the elevator trade.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: But if you come through the doors and someone asks you, why do you want to do this?
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: and you don't have a great response, that can be telling.
• 29:30
  unknown: Yeah.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because then it's like, okay, are we just here for wages and benefits, which is why we're all here.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: We're all here for a better life.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_02: However, it's those that know a little bit about it, that have done enough research to really truly grasp the totality of the situation that are usually a little bit more successful.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: But it's that positive mental attitude that really drives you forward.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: And you say that one individual comes in and takes this opportunity very, very seriously, they're probably going to be more successful because there are going to be times where not only are you going to be tested, there are going to be times you might want to give up.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: When that happens, what do you do?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: Are you the person that's going to throw their hands up and say, this is just too difficult?
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: Or are you going to accept that challenge and say, you know what, I'm going to work harder.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to celebrate the adversity and not be overcome by it.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: And grow through it, right?
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: And part of what I'm hearing you say is just, you know, having the hunger, right?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: Having the passion.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because I I guess the the idea that's rolling through my mind is, you know, if somebody, you know, two candidates show up and and maybe one has some welding or has some OSHA or has some, you know, even mechanical, if they don't seem interested or eager or or hungry to take it on, somebody with less experience may could, in my mind at least, shine a little brighter just because, hey, neither one of them know everything they need to know.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to have a lot of learning.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: And if if somebody is is hungry to learn and shows that eagerness, they're going to they're going to learn faster and and people are more inclined to teach and coach and mentor somebody who's willing to receive it.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: And that's not to say that uh on-the-job experience doesn't matter because it absolutely does.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: So someone that comes in and let's say has uh been an electrician for a number of years, there are certain skills that are gonna correlate over to the IUEC and to the apprenticeship program.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: You do have some soft skills and there are some safety skills.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: As you mentioned, OSHA 10 and OSHA 30, there is a base level of education that can come along with some general work knowledge.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: Those skills can transfer.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_02: However, even if you have some of those skills coming in, we're still going to start at square one.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: That way we move forward and we all know that we've all gained at least a minimum level of knowledge and on-the-job experience.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because even if someone, let's say, is great at bending pipe or running electrical wiring, maybe they're not solid on troubleshooting.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: And so what we find, especially in a classroom setting or on a job setting, is that those that do have certain skill sets will bring those skill sets with them and they will become a mentor on the job because they have a lot more knowledge and experience in one facet of what we do.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: So it's very rare that you find a candidate that knows all the things that we do because we encompass a lot of different work.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not just electrical wiring because an elevator or an escalator, move and walk, is going to be electrical and mechanical.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: So you may have been hydraulic at times, right?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: So there's so uh, you know, there's no such thing as a perfect candidate, but there are some that uh prepare themselves for success a little bit better than others.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: And usually it's just a relentless mentality that you're gonna do whatever it takes to be successful.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: So um what specific advice would you give to let's say three different people who come into, you know, want to get into the trade?
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe one's a high school grad, one's a mid-care career electrician or plumber, and maybe a military veteran that's just getting out.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: What do you say to them?
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: So part of it for the uh high school graduate is what do you want to do with your life?
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: If this is what you would like to do with your life, start learning some skills that may be transferable.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: Welding is something that we not only offer here, but it's encouraged.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: Do you understand uh structures?
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: So, like it's similar to what an iron worker does.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um if you want to be an elevator constructor, many times that process can be years long.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: Are you someone that has finished high school and you just give up right then?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: You say, I want to be an elevator constructor.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: I called up there and they said they're not gonna do a recruitment for 24 months or 18 months.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: What are you doing in the meantime, right?
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Are you are you twiddling your thumbs?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: Sure, sure.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Now, um, the type of individual that would be uh usually successful in the trade is someone that says, that's still what I want to do, but in the meantime, I'm gonna develop some of the other skills that may be able to transfer over from ironworking or welding or inside wiremen, outside wiremen.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: There are a lot of different skill sets that will transfer over.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: So if you just wait until we have another open recruitment, now those same two candidates, you have two high school graduates, one is not gonna take no for an answer and knows that this is what they want to do with the rest of their life, they're gonna start gaining some skills that may be able to transfer over later versus the person that does not do any of that and then comes in that 18 months later, now those two candidates came in the same way, but look drastically different.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: For someone that already does have some experience, so typically that process is a little bit easier because you do have some skills and you have general work knowledge of what it takes to be successful in your current trade.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: If that is an electrician, if that is a plumber, ironworker, welder, like I said before this, I was a pipe fitter.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: Some of those skills can transfer over, but definitely not all of them, because we're gonna start at day one and at square one, and then we're gonna build off of that basis of knowledge, regardless of your background.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: And then finally, for veterans, uh, we do a lot of positive work with helmets to hard hats.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: And helmets to hard hats is not unique just to the IUEC.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: The building and trades uh all together are all represented there.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: Great way for veterans to be able to have an opportunity in all of the different building and trades, of which we are only one.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you you you talked earlier, and I just want to dig into this a little bit more.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: You you know, you talked about more elevators getting fixed in the parking lot than in the machine room, and and you know, we were talking about just the collaboration, the conversations, the and and even the apprenticeship.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but paint for me a picture of the culture, the community inside the IUEC and what it feels like to be part of that brotherhood or sisterhood for over 10 or 20 years.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: So everybody's path is going to be a little bit different because being a union member is like having the gym membership.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: You see the folks that are walking around and they're really strong and you can see them from across the room, you're like, man, that person's working out a lot.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh being a union member is is very similar.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: So uh although all of our union cards may look exactly the same, um, some members are a little bit stronger than others because they practice.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: Because they come and they get involved, and and this is a part of what they do.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: So work is what we do during the day, and then all of the other things we we try to give back.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: So a uh a strong member is is going to be somebody that practices that uh day in and day out.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: I like I like that analogy.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna uh yeah, I've been in the gym, and you know, obviously you look at Arnold Schwarzenegger across the room and you're like, yeah, I don't even know how to get there.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: Sure, sure.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: But uh it's also beautiful because I've seen, especially in times of tragedy, where we're still together, you know, and in the best of times and the worst of times, is something that is larger than all of us.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so celebrating something like we did a month ago, 115 years, you know, you can't help but wonder what those original folks were sitting in a room and their conversations or throughout the years, what did that look like?
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh currently I can tell you if I have something going on in my personal life or professional life, I'm surrounded by that same union family.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um we do everything together.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna ask you that.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, how how has the the union, you know, fellowship, if you will, of uh mentors and friends, the network really helped you personally over the years?
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: So for me personally, uh the mentorship is a huge portion of not just what I do on a daily basis, because there are a lot of folks that I have always relied on and continue to rely on that teach me the intangibles that I can ask for anything in the world, and they'll be able to provide at a minimum an answer, but always a helping hand.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so we've had members that have passed away, and we have a local benefit.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: And on sometimes it's the exact same day that someone has passed, and to be able to do something for the family in their moment of grief is one of the most beautiful things that that we do because you're a member while you're here, and you're still a member when you're no longer here.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: And that family, it just never stops.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um we've also donated our time, effort, and energy to different causes for members.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we had a a former business manager, and when he passed away, we started a blend drive in his name.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of positive work that the IUEC and then also locally we do with veterans.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: We had our Veterans Day Golf Tournament recently.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_02: We have one every year, and we raised$24,500 for the uh PTSD Foundation of America and Camp Hope here locally.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: So it never stops.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: There's always something and someone that is uh pushing all of us forward.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: And to see it in all facets of our life is is really inspirational because we're also a family trade.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: So that means when we do have events, we bring our families because they may be curious about what we do at work, but we also put that work aside, and uh that's really our purpose is to be able to take care of our loved ones.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: So true.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: So true.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: So uh last question.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Now, when you think 10 or 20 years ahead, what kind of people do you hope are filling the shoes of today's retiring mechanics and and even business manager?
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: My hope is that uh you can always hand this to someone, the next person that's coming up.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you'd love for them to be passionate, but the world has changed a lot and continues to change.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: And one of those ways in which it changes is based solely on technology.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you can be a victim to change or a product of it.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: And so as our circumstances change, we need to grow.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_02: Collectively, we have to grow.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: And some of that is listen to some of those younger voices as they come through the trade and inspire them to say, what can I do for the we, not for the me?
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: And preserve this opportunity for the next generation.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: So there's always going to be opportunities, not just in the field, but also the next business manager is out there.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they're listening today.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: And what does it look like when you have a chance to uh share your vision with everybody?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: And don't wait until you have the opportunity.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: Start doing it now.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: Start doing the work now because the trade as a whole, but specific to the IUBC, is going to be a reflection on the members.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: What's next?
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: Good, bad, or indifferent, we get to decide.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, absolutely.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Ryan, thank you.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a pleasure talking with you today, and I I appreciate you being here with me.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate your time.
• 41:59
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• 42:06
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• 42:14
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• 42:16
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